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June 10, 2020 57 min

Samara gets real real with the National SEED Project trainer, who facilitates the types of difficult conversations many of us have been in since the Black Lives Matter protests erupted, if not before—with allies, with potential allies, with ourselves. For non-Black listeners, she offers advice on getting it wrong and doing it anyway, on the choice between shame and love, and on what to do when you don’t know what you don’t know (and how you got that way). Plus, below is a boatload of excellent resources for the long haul.

Host: Samara Bay

Executive producers: Catherine Burt Cantin & Mark Cantin, Double Vision

Producers: Samara Bay, Sophie Lichterman and the iHeart team

Theme music: Mark Cantin


Black Lives Matter Allyship and Action Guide:

Lauryn Whitney’s video “Ask Yourself”:

Neelamjit references:

National SEED Project:

Feminists in Action:

The Jane Club:

EXTREMELY useful resources to begin allyship work:

White Supremacy Culture doc:

Unpacking The Invisible Knapsack:

Casey Gerard’s TED talk:


Stamped From the Beginning:

White Rage:

How to Be an AntiRacist:

So You Want To Talk About Race:

Me and White Supremacy:

White Fragility:

To follow on IG:

Mireille Charper (Ten Steps to Non-Optical Allyship): @mireillecharper

Rachel Cargle: @Rachel.Cargle         

The Great Unlearn: @thegreatunlearn

Candice Sanchez-McFarlane: @candicesanchezmcfarlane

Rachel Rodgers: @rachelrodgersesq

The Conscious Kid (resources for parenting): @theconsciouskid

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