Beyond The Game with Jay Crittenton

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It gets no better than this. You are now in
June to perspect us with big bang Bang.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Let's get straight to it.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Welcome to perspective bank Man. Today I got a special
special guest man. Not only the guests a friend, brother.
You know what I'm saying. I like the collage, my
brother zavar as crewent. Welcome to a perspective man. Appreciated, man,
appreciate you having me my brother for real. How you feeling, man,
I'm good. I'm blessed.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Man, You're blessed. Most deafinitly we know that the where
you're mental live. Man. I'm in a good space now,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
I thank God everything overcame, man, and just for being
able to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Man, in my right mind for real, fact, I'm good
with that. They go back from the beginning of this
full NBA, before the headline. What was it like growing
up for you?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
You know, I'm come from I come from Capitol Home,
born and raised, but also move to Cleveland Avenue after
we left Capital Homes. That ship was rough, bro, you
know what I mean, like kid running around the hood.
Uh we we we won, you know, fucked up, but
you know we're in the project. You know, I had
a strong support system, but it was full of women,

(01:08):
you know what I mean, my grandy and my grandma,
my mom and my aunty and man, it wasn't meant
to me in a round, but I stayed on that
basketball court. Okay, had to come get me from that court,
the same court that so you know, Captain Home got
tought down its Capital gateway now, but the same basketball
court still standing, you know what I mean. So, man,
they used had to come and get me out the court.
I'd be out there from nine in the morning to

(01:29):
eleven at night, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
For real? What was it that drew you to the
court though? Man, it just was a passion.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man, Like they got pictures of me with a basketball
in my hand from when I first was able to walk, Okay,
you know what I mean, Like me and my cousin
here with me, just us us playing basketball, competing against
each other. And it was just a passion and it
just grew on me. And it's like nothing can't keep
me off that basketball court. It's pitch black dog bro
Like out of here they seeing the goal, Like we

(01:57):
out there for the love of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
We know where the goal that I'm out there with
the grown men. You know what I mean, I'm a
little boy.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Anybody from Capitol home to tell you, like, I'm a
little bit of boys some eight years old, nine years
old out there with a grown men playing, and that's
what made me get knocked down, Like you know, it
ain't no damn hardwood court. It's a hardware concrete, so
they don't get knocked on the concrete, knocked into the pole,
like get your ass up by like get up.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's what made my toughness, and you know what I mean,
got me where I needed to be.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Do you think that just by being out on the court,
you know what I'm saying with the older dude, do
you think that like substitute for not having a man
in the house, just seeing different attitudes of men, seeing
different characteristics and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, definitely did. Man. I had a lot of
people that took a liking to me.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's like they saw the gift like like, bro, gonna
make it, you know what I mean. And they would
encouragement to support me, you know, like you know, tell
my mama and my grandma, don't go y'all, go ahead.
We got them because you know, being in the project
with everything going on or the shootings and you know,
the drug and fixed you know your mama, everybody want
to come out to make sure you good, Like, hey,
come on in it, you know, for something happened, but

(02:59):
we got him. He good, you know what I mean.
So them embracing me and encouraging me like it definitely
helped me. When did you know, like you can go
to the next level, you know what I'm saying. You know,
passion could be one passion and drink could be one thing,
but like actually making the next level.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
When that you knew, like you had what to tape.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Probably twelve thirteen, you know, at that point, you know,
the rankings come out. I was like top five in
the country in my class and really damn the rankings
and all that. Man, Like I always had a belief
in myself. Bro, you know me, I'm bullheaded, Like you
can't tell me what I can't do, So you can't
tell me what I can't do. So but I always
believed in me at the end of the day, so

(03:38):
I knew I was gonna make it. I never forget
a lady in church, man, she ain't mean no harm
by I still know it to this day. But I
was going into the draft. It was after my college,
my first year, first only year at tech. She was like,
but what if you don't make it. I looked at her.
I was like, Oh, I'm gonna make it. It was just

(03:58):
a belief. And she came in apologized like I didn't
mean them by. I said, Noah, I know you ain't
mean them by, but this is my belief in me. Yes,
he can't tear me regardless of the outcome, Like, you
ain't gonna change my belief in me.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
How was it like like going through school? Like what
was some of the distractions?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And you know, like going through school trying to get
all the way down, Like what was some of the
stuff that was in your way?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Not a whole lot. Just to be real, man, it's
like it's like God had it set up for me,
you know. Training friend, I've been in public school my
whole life. End up going to a Christian academy. But
I'm this little I'm this little hood little kid coming
into it's almost like the fresh Prince of bell ever worse,
you know what I mean, Like I'm coming into a
school that's my way uniform you can't wear tennis shoes.

(04:41):
I'm like, man, I'm not going for this ship. I
tried to get kicked out. Every single everybody that that
know me, No, I ain't telling them a lot. It's
one hundred percent facts, Like I tried to get kicked out, like,
but it was what God wanted me to be. So
me being poored from all of the distractions, everything that
go on that public school, everything was going on in
my neighborhood. It's like, I mean, this private Square is

(05:02):
private school, but no disrespect like to the private school
calling it square because it's a great school. The people
that ran in school, or Sister Jared pastor Wayne Man,
these people, I mean, real God fearing people and they
ain't playing no games. So the Bee Trees, Sam, It's
a whole family of God fearing people. And it's changed
my life. Bro, Like I always believed in God, but

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I started learning about who God was. I'm reading my Bible,
I'm praying, Like the school really changed me. So it's like, man,
this is what God's playing because everything I did to
get kicked out, they didn't kick me out. You know
what I'm saying. They didn't kick me out. And in
all the distractions, I know I would have got caught up. Bro,
It's hard, Like think about how many people had a

(05:47):
talent that we got. But you come from where we
come from, and it's like inevitable because of who you love,
who you law to, you getting caught up and so
many people that got caughtup that could have made it
just off of being law hoppy in the wrong car,
dealing with the wrong girl, you feel I'm saying, Like,
so I was removed from those distractions being placed in

(06:07):
this private school, and I man, I suffered in the beginning,
like man, this shit, Like I'm mad, Like, man, this
ain't for me. I can't do this. But it was
what God wanted me to be. And that's I truly
feel like that's how I made it. Do you think
this topics?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
But do you think it be kind of hard for
like talented kids such as yourself if you stayed in
regular school.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
The eyes wouldn't have been over there there on Christian Academy.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Right now that I feel like, you know, at that point,
like the talent because Atlanta was such a hot bed
for everything, bro, like we being poppy just on some
real shit, you know what I mean, Like sports wise, music, wise,
So I feel like the talent gonna get recognized, especially
when you're on the AU circuit. But with me being

(06:52):
over at the private school and us going to a
national schedule, then me and Dwight over there together. Of course,
you know, the oys is like right there on you
can't miss you, like they coming to see Dwight. I've
been top point guard, top of my class, you know
since I was young.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So it's like we're right here together, Like, yeah, they
there to see us.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Who would you say, believe in you the same amount
that you believe in yourself if you had to pick
one person like this person believed in me more than me.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I can't just pick one person bank like my grandma
and my mama for show, like for show for show,
like really believe believe. But then, and I ain't just
saying this because he was with me, with my cousin, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
He believed in me.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Everybody Like, bro, you're gonna make it like they knew
my auntie, Like everybody was on the same page with me.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But mam and Duke's like she believed in me. One
thing about it, Like.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I love my mama to death and we have our differences,
you know what I mean, Like a lot of people.
But the thing she did, the sacrifices she made you
feel me like she never missed the game, making sure
I'm in practice, get sure that she had to work,
like the coach gonna pick you up, this person gonna
pick you up like she she did that. She sacrificed

(08:06):
for me, for her, for her, and so I had
not If she had not have done that when I
was young and made those sacrifices, I would have been Man,
it's a lot of kids that got talent. Now it's
like mama got to work, so she can't even take
them to a basketball practice or football practices.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Like the talent just sitting there not being you. So
do you think that the people.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
That believed in you, who just ain't bleeding you because
of your talent or your will on your will?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Like what was it both? You know what I'm saying.
I think it was both.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think it was like when they looked at me, like, Mam,
I see something, this boy just me not leaving the
basketball court when you can't pull your child off the
basketball court, and I'm bucking they seeing my uncle over there,
like everybody, I'm like I'm good, like I want to
leave a basketball court. Liked this boy. I love basketball.
He really bucking, like standing out here from the morning
to the night. So they saw the wheel and you know,

(08:59):
like like they just saw it in me.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
This is my grandson, this is my son. Of course
we're gonna love and support them, but they saw it
for real, for real Draft night. You remember that shit? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, Like, how did you prepare for that day?

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Or I had been praying so hard man like again
they go back to the to the Christian Academy, walking
in my faith. I'm praying, like even though you know
they'll say you locked in, you know where you're gonna go.
All this stuff, man, draft like can change, it can
be false promises. So I just praying, praying, praying, man.
And I really didn't think I was gonna leave Atlanta, bro.

(09:37):
I thought I was gonna be homegrown Atlanta kid Jordia
Tech and then go to the house.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Man. That shit broke my heart.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
When they passed on me at eleven, They're like, okay,
well you know you might go to the Clippers. At fourteen,
they needed a point guard. They went with al Thorne,
I think, and uh, who was after that Washington had
a great work out with them. They end up going
with Nick because they had you know, gild of course
at the end of one. So I'm like, damn, okay,
We're like, shit, Miami, Miami is taking you for sure.

(10:06):
Miami had the twentieth pick, so I'm like, okay, cool,
I'm chilling the Lakers at nineteen. We ain't got no
call from them. I think I was injured doing that
workout too, Like, but of course they've been watching you
for so long. They know what you Yeah, they know
what you got. And so all of us were surprise
sitting in the room with the nineteen pick and they
called my name. I'm shocked because the twentie pick right

(10:27):
behind it, And Man, I was overjoyed. Man, I was thankful.
Man I shed tears. Man had my whole whole family
out there. We had a draft party at Atlantic Station,
so Man seeing my grandma, I never forget it, man,
walking up to my grandma, pulled up in the limo,
hopped out of it because I watched the draft party
somewhere with not the draft. I watched the draft at

(10:49):
a hotel with my agent, my goddad people that was
close to me.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
And had a party set up.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
So when I got drafted and pulled up to the party,
my grandma was just standing right there with the arnge
open rodrote down, cry you.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Did It made me emotional that because I can see
it too, like she just sit there like like like
baby made it. You know you did it. Ain't nothing
like that feeling right now?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, hey, let me let me ask you some
So what was your first NBA game?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Like the first NBA game was kind of like bro
it was. It was.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
It was really fucked up because I did great in
some of the my preseason, preseason, I did my thing,
you know, one thing about he could put all this
ship up.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
So Phil Jackson, like we had me and Kobe Carr.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Cobe Carr was George Carr's son, which is a head
coach but in the NBA NBA for a long time
and it was his son. He was like an undrafted
sign on man field dressed this man over me. And
it was more so like not because of the I
did everything I was supposed to do, Like feel with

(11:55):
this Buddhist you know mind game ship. Let me test
his mental out, you test your Yeah, let me see
how strong he is if he gonna get in the
feeling about this. Yeah, but it's like, bro, like in
nineteen Nigga went me at this age, you understanding now, yeah,
like okay, but at nineteen, like this shit didn't make sense.

(12:15):
I'm coming here, bust somebody doing everything I'm supposed to do.
Make it made sense. Yeah, I'm puzzled, like, you know,
not knocking Kobe Carr, like pretty good player, but it's
like it's no comparison. You look at the stats. It
was no comparison. And he knew what he used to be, like, man,
feel just playing mind games with you.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
He was.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
He was a good person to have around, and he
used to encourage me, like, man, maybe he's just trying
to see how your attitude is. Just you gotta do this,
you gotta do that, and you don't find it. And
he was a little older than me. I think it
was like four years older than me because he went
all four years of college. But just somebody that was
like telling you, bro, it ain't true, like he just
testing you out.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I know I ain't supposed to be dressed in front
of you, but you know, shit happened, bro. It was
just everybody like if you go to any other team,
your career probably go differently. Not blaming feel feel the legendary,
and people probably get mad when I you know, because
he's a legend. No ware rings like fun that it
is my experience. Nobody got to say it's my experience

(13:13):
with him, not blaming him, but like yeah, like that's
real ship. So how you how you react to that?
When he did that, bro, that ship Like, bro, really
fucked my confidence up. And you knew me back then,
Like I'm I mean, bullheaded, strong, will confident. I believe
in me in the stuff that started going on, Like

(13:34):
it's like damn, I'm already out there in La by myself.
I'm going through this ship with him and he's not
you know, he ain't a coach that really communicate with you,
like especially if you're a young player. Like he had
a saying that he felt like riokids were like the
ship on the bottom of somebody's shoot And it's like
fucked up to be like say that about a human being,

(13:54):
but like that's how he looked at Rickyds.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
So he feels like he got to talk.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
You ain't got to explain shit to you, nigga, just
do what you're supposed to do and keep grinding, keep believing.
But I don't think he looked at like damn, like me.
I put myself in peoples shoes. I feel what I'm saying.
Like most people are like, Okay, this is how I feel.
This is my way of thinking, and it's gonna work
or it ain't. I put myself in people's shoes at
nineteen years old. Bro, Like, I'm out of la by

(14:19):
myself dealing with this. We got a team. We have
a team, whereas like me and Andrew, bydam we're the
only two young guys and then a whole bunch of
you know, older people that's married. We ain't hanging out together.
I'm at the how by myself. Basketball all I got.
I don't give a fuck about the money. Just on
some real shit, like when you love basketball, the money
is a plus you thankful for it changed your life.

(14:40):
I give you saying, but the money ain't gonna a motherfucker.
Gave me a billion dollars. This is my passion, this
is what.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I need to do it at the highest level right now. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
So if you give me a billion dollars and say,
guess what you gotta go through this fine tuning process.
You ain't ready yet or I'm testing you out whatever,
I'm still finna be depressed, like damn, but I've been
doing this at this level for my whole life, and
that made it to the big level. And you know,
even though it was the beginning, it's like fuck that ship.
That ship set me back, bro, mentally. Yeah, I was
just depressed, like questioning everything in my confidence.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I started losing.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
But you started moving around l a like like a
regular nigga. You ain't even moving like no basketball player
that one at one time. Man, But you got to
think about where I come from. I didn't you want
to go where you familiar.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, looking back on it now, it's like, damn, bro,
Like some of the decisions I was making it was
bad decisions, but at that time, I didn't see it
as bad decisions.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I don't know no better. I literally come from the project.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
So you you you put me out here without the
right circle around me. Like a lot a lot of
a lot of players like got their mommy and they daddy,
they got family, they got uh the support system, Bro,
I didn't. I didn't have it like that like I
had it in a sense, but like not on a
professional level. You know, I had people in the streets,

(15:56):
I had my folks like so, I don't even know
how to maintained at this level. Either I'm the biggest.
I'm the biggest in I'm the biggest right now.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
So don't nobody around me or came up around me
know how to maintain this level because we've never been.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Here exactly, none of us never been here, so all
of us lost and learning at the same time. And
I'm just moving like I would move back home. I
ain't no Hollywood, dude, so I go to where I'm
comfortable at, you know what I mean. And looking back
on it, it was like, damn, you should have been
in Hollywood. I didn't know how to be Hollywood. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(16:30):
you know what I mean. You don't know how to
be Hollywood like that. But I'm much wiser. I know
how to maneuver, like, I ain't finna go over there.
I got a preventative mentality now because of the things
I've been through, Like everything is prevention.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I stay out of bullshit. But they're doing this over here.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Don't go over there, no matter how much fun they have,
no matter how bad to Braa here Like, I'm not
going over there because I know what trouble. I know
what this shit cost me. But back then, I'm just
like I'm nineteen, I'm in LA. I've been here Atlanta
my whole life. I didn't go off to North Carolina.
I didn't go to Oklahoma. I stayed in Atlanta. So
even when I was in Atlanta, and get what I'm doing,

(17:05):
I'm going back to Capitol Home. When I'm at Georgia Tech,
I'm going back to Captain Home. I'm going to Cleveland Avenue.
Everybody that know me, knowing you're lying, this is what
I know. I didn't know how to be Hollywood, even
a situation that got me fucked up, you know, the robbery,
and you know we'll get into that. But if I
never go back to Cleveland Avenue, I never get wrong,
it never happens. I never retaliate fact.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
But this is all I know, you know, so so
so like looking back on it right now, you know
we say we ain't have nobody, but was somebody in
your ear that you wasn't listening to, like bro, you
tripping here?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:39):
And when I when I say I don't I won't
say I didn't have nobody.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's just that it's levels, bro, as far as the
professional break it down to you and let you know
what you're about to lose type ship. Yeah, my my
circle was more so where I come from. You know this,
like everybody from the streets. It's around me.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
But still like it's been times where people like, hey,
you tripping, slow down? You know what I mean? But
and again, guess what I know how to be accountable.
I've been bullheaded. I've been saying this the whole time, bullheaded,
strong willed, like I hear you. But if you ain't
around me all the time, if you ain't right here

(18:21):
with me, it's hard. Like I hear you, then I
don't because just were under bread on them exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I really don't want to hear that shit you're
talking about you.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
You don't. You don't talk me, sh r got that
body you I told you to it you around? You
ain't like man, get it cold, nigga. God.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
So how did the money and the fame like change
you or changing people around you?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Like? How did it change?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Man?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Being real?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
That ship? I should have let the money change me, okay, shular? Yeah,
and I didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
But you're saying the money really magnum the little boy
who you was, it magnified it. I got the money
and us shit, I'm really me all the way me
now on me. But then like I didn't let it
change me as far as like not going to certain places. Yeah,
not feeling like you got something to lose. You adin't
feel like you had this regular this regular life.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
It was regular life. I wasn't moving, I wasn't moving accordingly.
So even I'm touching this type of money, I'm on
this type of level. Now I have to move on that.
But again, I didn't have nobody to teach me. But
I feel like the money did change people around me,
and that happens often. We would be like people be like,
well the money, the money changed you, the money gangs.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
The money.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
The money changed a lot of people around me. As
far as like everybody, I ain't gonna say everybody. People
wanted a certain look, a certain image, certain things wasn't enough.
It's like, damn, bro, I ain't ain't. I ain't lebron God,
Damn I ain't signed. No, I ain't signed one of them contracts.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I'm on a real then I'm on a rookie dial,
I just arrived. That's it. Like we were thankful. Don't
get me wrong, we thankful hard to get that, but
we yet but they were people.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
People around me was moving like I had really made
that big contract. And it's like they don't be on
They just see NBA, you got the new car, you
got this, that, and the third got.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
The jewel round Like, well, I don't understand. They don't.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
They don't understand taxes. Again, that's why he's on nineteen.
Guess what. I understand all that part of it. I
understand that smart with that, But now don't feeling the
pressure from my folks, from family, from friends.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Because you got to think about it.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Bro, If twenty people ask you for a thousand dollars
to them, they feel like that ain't ship to you.
That's twenty racks. You feel what I'm saying. If if
twenty people, if thirty, if thirty people ask you for
five thousand dollars a piece, that's one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars. You take a million dollar contract on one point,
just use a million and cut it and half when

(21:07):
you in California, taxes is half. Just like goddamn what
Edie Murphy on the stand up and talking about half
they will right there. So taxes in California, brother, this
is no exaggeration. One of my first I had two chicks.
One of my checks was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
It was advance. So I'm called of like why, Like

(21:27):
I ain't never seen no shit like this in my life.
I call the ma and Dukes taking the picture like
even though you know it's coming, it's different when it
hit your hand. Yeah, you keep looking down at that motherfucker.
One hundred and fifty thousand dollars, you get seventy five
thousand half they won't their.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I'm just saying I want you right there.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
But my point is, you know people don't understand like
the taxes, the agents, all the things that come out
in and you know your livelihood.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
You gotta survive.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
And when they ask you for this bread or feeling
like well I need this look, I need this image,
I want this. I want to drive a car on it,
like damn, bro, Like that's that's that's pressure, bro.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
But it'sh it crazy because all while all I use God,
damn going through like growing up, I'm gonna say, growing
up all he was growing up, he was growing up
in the NBA. You know what I'm saying right in
front of our eyes. Like you said, Lee, even when
you come into town, you come in.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Town to us, you know what. It's just like you
said one time, like your lord to is like a
given a curse, right right?

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, for sure, explain that. Explain that, man, I got.
I got so many stories I can dive into off
of that. But like I pride myself for my lord to, Bro,
You're not gonna meet a lot of people with my integrity,
my morals, my principles and values when it comes to

(22:57):
being loyal, I agree calling somebody your brother, you know,
to my family, they notice, like anybody watching this that
know me know this.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
But one thing I learned, Bro, it's not going to
be reciprocated. Not that it's not.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Sometimes it will take that back, sometimes it will, but
it's it's it's very unlikely that it's very rare that
you know, the people that you give your law to
to that they reciprocated. And a lot of time, guess what,
when that ship comes back, you might push it out
to these people over hell and the person that be
the most law to you. You never even had the

(23:34):
opportunity to do anything for them like that. You never
would have expected it to come from them like.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I did.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
I did all this for y'all, and not that we
count things, but it's like I want it's the same thing,
the same lord and a little back bro. I had
people the man crossed all type of ways. When I
tell you, like, boy, it's like it's like when I
made it to the NBA, I reached.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
My dreams and my nightmare is at the same time.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
That's why I was about to ask you, do you
think the NBA success like pulled you away or pushed
you deeper.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
That ship, like like getting that money in that status
and thinking that, Okay, you know everybody gonna treat me
how I treat them. I'm gonna tell you how it
even fucked up with the going back to Cleveland Avenue,
how the whole robber situation happened. I'm thinking, like, I
got a good heart, I get a people, I help

(24:39):
my family, I help my partners. I don't do no
sucker shit, no snake ship, like, ain't nobody, ain't nobody
gonna want to fuck with me. I'm not even I'm
that naive, Like I'm not green as far you know,
we come we comfortable, we come from. I'm not green
on that tip, but it's like I was green to
the fact of like niggas and suckers, Yeah, you can
do everything right by folks, and folks are still got

(24:59):
damn fuck you over the very people community, the people
you grew up around, the people.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
You you know what I mean, Like, ain't I just
know you know, this is what I felt like like
looking back on that for you, like how you went
over there to get your cut or whatever, whatever whatever,
and you from that, you knowing in your heart niggas, no,
ain't no sucker. It ain't did no sucker shit to nobody.
So nigga, no, ain't really going for that. So you
just really that, you know that kind of take your

(25:25):
guard down, that ain't really naive, that just you knowing
like I ain't going for that, you know what I'm saying,
And niggas, no, I ain't going for that. But then
when something happened, now you got to show the team
going for that and really fuck up your whole shit.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
And that's why you know, I take so many preventative
measures now, man, I ain't. You know, of course I
had to. I had to go through that to get
high on now and get what. I ain't got no
point to prove. I don't care about proving how tough
I am. If nigga's doing some bullshit over here on
this side of town, get what. I don't give a
fuck how fun it is over here. Long give for
what's going on. Get what I'm not going cause niggas,
like these sucker ass nigg will trick you into the

(26:01):
situation that I was in.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
What happened, Like, let's start of that ship. What happened?

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Man, I'm just going over here to get a haircut.
You know, you know how often I would pull up
over there because I'm from over here. But I ain't
even I wasn't even pulling up on no hanging over
there type ship. The Barbershop is a community in Landmark,
even to this day, run by Paul Pierce. He is
a he is a he is a person that he's
done a lot for the community. He done a lot

(26:26):
for the people over there. He was like a father
figure to me at one point. Yeah, man, I never forget,
like going to the proms middle school. He let me
see his ya's putting money in my pocket and let
me see his car, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Like, as I got older, he was a real father figure.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
So I'm coming back not just out of respect for
the community, but respect for this man.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I had a I had a barbershop in
my house.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
I had a whole little salon set up in my
house where it's like, well a woman can get our
hair done, I can get my hair cut.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
But guess what. But I know what it means for
his bend for me to be help here.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
And you know what I say, presence like that to
the community, Like damn, I'm coming back to give people hope.
I don't disrespect nobody. I'm not an arrogant person. I
don't talk down on people. I don't mistreat man in it.
People know this now. Somebody is watching this that'll approach
me that I don't know. They'll pull up chop it
up here. What I'm gonna chop it up with you.
I'm gonna talk to you. You've always been like that though,

(27:20):
I always been like that. So it's like, I'm just
coming back over here to give my community hope that
I made it out. People want to talk about you know, everybody'
favorite thing. What's it like to play with Kobe? What's
it like to be in the NBA, might have their
kids with them. I'm coming back for this reason to
show that I haven't changed. I'm the same. I'm the
same kid that couldn't pay for a haircut at times
and I sweet to help. I'm the same kid that

(27:43):
sometimes I ain't have to sweet to help pologies, like
you know they cut my hair. I go ahead, boy,
So how could I not come back? But you got
these sucker ass niggas that been bullshit since we were
kids that I've been on like, and I'm gonna called
the spade niggas. Niggas know me, Bro, I hate the
situation turned out like it did. But the niggas some
holes like any nigga that like y'all niggas praying on

(28:07):
niggas a nigga that made it from over here. And
let me let me and a lot of people say, well,
why he had on all that dri going back to
the hood. Bro, you know it was at one point
in time. Get what I sold them to all my
jerk back to Fuzzy. I sold it back, I guess
because when you make it. It's like, man, we grew
up watching BT. You want to sit some Paul. You

(28:28):
see niggas shining the cars, so that the first thing
you want to do, like I want to get the piece,
I want to get the car, I want to get
my mama house, and you do all these things. But
at a point it's like I like this cool, but
you kind of get burned out on it. This shit
don't be nothing once you get it, ain't nothing. I
wouldn't even win me. I sold most of the back
to Fuzzy and I had the ship sitting up there
like whatever. You know, like I don't want this shiit.

(28:48):
See what you can say? Yeah, the black Diamond watch,
it was like a couple of pieces. I'm like, you
know what, I'm gonna go in and keep this. I
still had it put up in the safe. I wouldn't
wearing it like that. I let other people with. I
had a blo black Louis Laton outfit I had put on.
I had just I had just bought some black and
gray Louisverton shoes. I put my ship on him like
like you know, one of them days you feel.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yourself.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, whatever I'm feeling myself, you know what I mean, Like, okay,
I put the pieces on.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I don't even what a ship put that.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I used to think about that, like, damn, what if
I would have never just what if I would have
kept my mentality not wearing Jerry and I put it
on this one day. It ain't like no, I had
been consistently wearing it this one goddamn day, throw the
ship on.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I go to get a haircut. You know, I'm feeling good.
We're gonna go out.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
My haircut appointment, and it's I had been mad at Paul,
but I had to stop doing that because he always
did this, and sometime life just meant to be how
it's gonna go. My haircut appointment was at like five o'clock.
Everybody knows that Paul, like I'm like a son to him.
He want to sit there and talk. They know it
gonna take him two hours to cut my goddamn here

(30:02):
fifteen twenty minute. He's gonna take him two hours because
he's gonna take his time. He want to talk to me.
He wanted to have that. It's like it's like a
father cutting his son. So he don't let all these
people go in front of me, I ain't gonna lost
sitting that motherfucker. God damn, Like, I love kicking it
up here because I literally grew up in this month.
I love kicking holland their it's my same atmosphere. I

(30:23):
love it for goddamn all ready to go. My girl
at that time, my son's mother. You remember stasy she don't.
She didn't even like sitting that motherfucker. She didn't, never
said nothing. But it's like you tell the energy she
went from that. Yeah, I'm comfortable over this more, but
she ain't. She like kind of uncomfortable. I was like, man,
she's Finnah come in town from Baltimore. Let me go

(30:45):
ahead and get my hair cut the day before she comes,
instead of having to bring her up here. That's how
the whole shit happened. He let all these people go
in front of me. It's nighttime.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It's nighttime, but it's still ain't you know I'm going out,
so it ain't too late.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
He cut my hell, it's put sad. Nigga Boo walk
in and this I ain't just saying this because the
nigga dead and gone nigga knew how I feelt while
he was living.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
They know they know how I felt. But he is
the roof of all this shit. Hold.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Look when Boo walking in, what happened? Boo come in
and barbershop? You know, I know the nigga I ain't.
Never had no problem with him. He never had no
problem with me. He trying to get a haircut from Mackie.
Mackiet is still up there. He cut my cuts. He
a solomn here, a real man. I shout out, Mackie.
But he come in to get a haircut. Everybody leaving.
It's how late it is. I've been sitting him, motherfucker

(31:35):
for hours. Everybody leaving. MACKI tell him I can't cut
your hair. Torn to him, Hey boy, I got something
to do. Everybody leaving, but Paul, Paul, like this my
last one. He dapped me up. You know I got
the thing. Yeah, Boo dapped me up. I got the
thing over me. He trying to say how s the
New Year had jey Ron when he had the thing

(31:55):
cover him ball. When I stin my hands, if if
I if I got the h the barber thing comes
to me right now, you know, just like that. If
I reach out to shake your hand, what you're gonna
see right here. You're gonna see this. It ain't no
way that you ain't see that. I got no pieces on.
So when you all this sucking ship like he's seeing it,
he calls some niggas and that's how it all happened.

(32:16):
But how you know for show though, and I know
for shore because everything that, like me and Paul were
sitting there having a conversation. I'm not in the community
like that. You know, I'm passing through and I'm out
of town, but I'm just in town for the off season. Man, Nigga,
you're the topic of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Of the nigga that doing dumb ship like that, all
the slame ball ship, everything that's going on over here.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Nigga, I don't know. I hear what I hear, but
I'm not gonna speak on that. He like, man, he
literally talking about the nigga before he walk in, like
this nigga doing all this funck shit over here, like
fucking the community up.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Paul, you want to get me on the thought that motherfucker, then.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
That's that's but that's the only but that's the only thing.
I was mad at Paul about two But because he
had just tried to rob him maybe a month toring
him like, man, they we just told him to put
cameras up here because they just tried to rob him
a month ago, coming about this month.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
So I'm like, I'm baffled.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I'm like, Paul, like how you I'm not around?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
You know these folks just tried to rob you. Why
the hell you got me sitting here like this? And
you see what I got on.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
The only reason I got this on because I live
an hour I left forty five minutes away. Then when
I was living in Fairville and I sat down, I'm
not trying to go back home and do all that.
Get well, I came out ready to go. Cut my hell.
I'm gone. That's the only reason I got this shit on.
But and Paul not no streeting then, so I give
him the benefit of the doctor. They're like, God, damn, Paul,

(33:43):
love you to death, but have where the fuck to
come since say, yeah, yeah, I love him, bro, Like
see you know that I love him. But it's like,
you know why you ain't tell me this. Yeah, I'm
gonna change my whole I might come at twelve during
the day.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I ain't gonna lie me at that time, you know,
I'm did the same. I'm still on the right way.
I'm still putting up, pull up the right way. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you feel me.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
But I look at all that black I'm like, well,
you know, maybe they was just meant to happen and
it was meant for me not there have no gun.
I could have died. Let me tell you this part.
But I never got to dive into. You know, I
used to be strapped every where I go. You know
this in the car on me like yeah, too much ship,
like we know what go on? So and I never

(34:31):
forget my Grandmama. When I pull up at my grandmama house,
I'm talking to my grandma when I come. When I
come into a house with my family and my kids
or any any any any children and my nieces, cousins,
any any children or family, get what I do.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Put it up. I take the pistol off of me.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
I put it up high over a cabinet, on top
of the refrigerator or something like that, so I'm not sitting.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's not on me. You don't wanted to go off
any you know some dumb ship. Never forget.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
My grandma said, maybe need to stop carrying them guns around.
She said, the Lord, the Lord protecting you. You don't
need them guns. Another situation, and it just showed how things.
I guess it was just meant to happen. My pastor,
we go to the Hawks game one day. I love
my pastor. They know I go to church, but like, hey, boy,

(35:19):
I got it's that.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's on me.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
I'm not gonna take it off of me just because
you're with me. But he's seen it under the seat.
He had the same conversation with me black. He said, hey,
you don't you don't need to have them guns, like
the Lord protecting you. But how do they know you
was scrapped. It's on it's on the on the floor,
it's on the seat. So he and the pastor's side,
he and I gotta tuk it, you know what I mean,
Like yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah. You feel me

(35:42):
so man, my grandmama know because when I'm coming in
the house taking it off of me.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
So they had them conversation with me, and I had
already got in trouble for the guns.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Guess what I do. And this could be the Lord
Lord working mysterious way. Bro.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
He could have saved my life by this because I
used to be mad about it. I put the guns up.
I don't have no gun on me in this situation.
Any other time, I would have had it right down
on me. I don't know how it gonna go. I
was so bull headed and stubborn.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Now you probably want the buck when without the gun,
I know you retarded.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
You probably want the buck then, like I'm.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell you how retarded
I was. And I thank God, Man, God, thank you
God for having mercy on me.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
It's so many situations I could have been up out
of here. R I p old I didn't have no
gun on me. I listened to my my grandma and
my pastor. Put the guns up. I don't have no
gun on me. It's how retarded I was. Paul know
ain't lyne every The niggas told the police everything, and
the police know ain't line. I guess they went from
went from raised on Cleveland to wise Hill to hey man,

(36:48):
like we're gonna get into all that. And I ain't
spaying no nigga, but Paul, when pop, Paul, go use
the bathroom. If anybody didn't know the situation and know
how a relationship were you a thing. He set me up.
We know this is not what happened, but it was
just how things happened. When he when he got through
comb my heir, he had to go to the bathroom.

(37:09):
We walk out. He locked the door. He go to
the bathroom. We getting robbed. Me and my cousin inside outside. Okay,
he go to the bathroom. So it looked like, damn,
why you ain't walk us to the car. That's not
the case, though. We noticed he come back to after
he used the bathroom with the pump in his hand.
He looking like what the hell going he he this coombobulated.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Is this real? Like what the hell going on?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
While they were still right now? Yes, So they take
off running. I'm trying to break the door open, like
he got the door locked. He's trying to open it,
but he moved too slow. Soon as he opened, I
grabbed the pump. He had a shot gun. I grabbed
the pump out of his head and chased these niggas
on foot.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
The niggas. This is so dark that the niggas this
he cut really having to end up. They were laying
in it's a high grade. But I'm chasing them with
the pump. Bro, this is a god honest truth. I
don't care who they probably like this nigga throw it off.
This nigga crazy, like should just be happy that you

(38:09):
were safe. This is my ship, Like, nigga, ain't finnna
take nothing from you. Bro, You know how I thought.
I don't think like that now, but at that time,
like nigga ain't taking nothing from you. I'm chasing them
with the pump. The nigga disappear, I run back to
the car, to the Porsche, hopping the Porsche. We're done
to fuck the transmission. We're trying to hit the gas
so hard we bent every cone we been every cone

(38:29):
I got. I got this man. I took this man
pump because I don't have my gun chasing the nigga.
And thank God, get what them niggas could have when
I when I was chasing them, they could have shot back,
killed me. I'm chasing them in the car my coods
and driving. I finla got damn trying to ricky one
of these niggas. I could have got popped. Yeah, and

(38:51):
that's why I get what. I'm glad I'm on your platform, bro.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I'm just being real. I'm glad that I'm here. This
ain't no Netflix ship. Don't try to make this ship.
This is who I was and this who I am.
I'm wrong, but let me be me, let me let
people know what the going on. You feel me like so,
But I thank God because he's spared me. Bro, because

(39:19):
anything the attitude I had, boy, nigga ain't gonna try me.
Nigga ain't gonna take that from me. But I never
walked around bothering nobody. Bro, That's the only thing, even
as retarded as I was at times, ship like that,
you notice. For I ain't never sit no nigga. I
ain't never rock no nigga. I ain't ever across the nigga.

(39:40):
Youn't even need no negative nigga period.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
No niggative person when that ship come my way, Like, Bro,
don't do none of this ship, this sucking ship. The
nigga finished try me, Nah, the I'm the wrong niggas
fuck with though, Niggas who don't be to be on that.
But when they get on that, they ain't getting You know,
when I got on it, I was on it, but
I notice you.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Was that club you one night.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I ain't want to seem like I'm scared, but he
right here beside, like brother nigga boo right now, I'm like,
brou how you know that man did try to talk
about it? Are you too crazy? Why are you nba
trying to say all this nice ship? I was looking
at his eyes. He's not convinced.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
So you know me, y'all about running this nigga fit
blow this joint, this joint. That nigga looking at me like, man,
he s can't rat nigga the ship. You don't, Bro,
This ship ain't gonna y well for you.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Bro sh and them nigga was looking and then you
know how you trying to tell a nigga like this
nigga looking straight at these nigga like no, you fuck
nigga rights man run trying to make them nigga say
anything so he can let up.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I said, let me get out by you.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
But get what, Bro, I even thought about that too,
like you know we can't. I came out with y'all
that night show. Lord, are you in trouble? Hold the
whole dark tape. Bro, you don't even go to ship
like that though. Any time I'm pulling up as a
ship like that with y'all do you know.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
What I mean?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You know what I think you really can't to use
on a mission to catch them Niggasna.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
It was a mischie I heard they was up there, bro.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
You know what crazy I say that the same I
hate that I came up there, bro, because if I
don't see that, you see everything was they were. They
was antagonizing me, bro like like provoking me, like, y'all
nigga can rob me, y'all nigga sending all these threats,
talk about what y'all gonna do when y'all see me
put a basketball playing that nigga all the game shipping
the hit Atlanta, all of a sudden, all the nigga

(41:36):
niggas've been beat up since we would look all of
a sudden, y'all nigga tough now, y'all in the game,
y'all gonna shoot, y'all gonna do this, that, and the
third y'all feel like that ship. So the skill, I'm
I'm not the nigga that ship finish skill. Really, anything
can happen to anybody. I'm not what I'm saying, but
I ain't gonna. I ain't finna go like yeah, like
so they all the game ship to hit these niggas

(41:57):
tough now, Like, I'm not going for that ship it, Bro.
I remember attending school on the way back like crazy
with the wrong nigga T day that did it happened? Bro,
I knew it, I said, but that's what was It's like,
y'all nigga did this to me. It was like a
monkey on my back, Bro, Like I can go, I

(42:18):
can go work out. I was in the best fucking
shape of my life. I'm I'm I'm at Georgia Tech
training twice a day, I'm doing yoga. Nigga was in
the best shape of my life. I was coming back
from the ankle injury. The locker room ship like I'm
in that mold.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
That was another one of the doctors, doctor what the
name was Phil Jackson? That was another one of Phil
Jackson moment. That was another test.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
It was a test, Bro, And it's like I felt
like if I would have passed that test, everything I
wanted was on the other side of it. But it's like, damn, Bro,
how many tests. I'm already overcoming this, overcoming that, overcoming it,
and it's like here I am at this place. But
then why this had to happen. I started qushing it
like damn. If I would have just left the Durior
in the safe, it fuzzed with a hold of dry.

(43:01):
If I would have never went over there to come
and think, you know, your mind start thinking about everything
that could have prevented this ship.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
But it was on me so bad black. It's just
some real ship, bro. This is the honest to guard truth.
You know how.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Somebody that be on drug or smoke dope or gotta
got a real bad drug edition. It is what they
call the monkey on their back. They can't shake that ship.
I can go work out, I can go train. I
be in a great space when I get home alone.
Like if I'm around y'all, somebody distract me everything poke
or something. We're good kicking a couple. Get by myself, bro,

(43:38):
it's not. I can get in the shower and get
dressed or lay down on my bed and that ship
like boom by the nigga really just by the niggas
just took something. Just held your head, a gun to
your head, by the niggaw. They gonna do your family
what they're gonna do to you, and everything's like out
of mind. It's the Devil's playground. When I'm around y'all,
when i'm doing something, when I'm in the gym, i'm

(43:59):
working out out, I'm fine. When I get by myself,
devilgit boom boom. It's like it's like when you had
them the angel and you got demon on your shoulder,
like like, hey, why don't you trip?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Let that go?

Speaker 4 (44:11):
All your blessings on the other side, Are you really
gonna let them put say that nigga try you like that.
You used topeak the nigga ass up when you were young.
Niggas ain't shit. Hey man, don't do it. You're really
tripping and what you're going back and forth, and it's
the truth. No shit used to be on like little
little shows and cartoon we were young. That's really what
we're going on. It's it's a it's a spiritual about them.
And we go back to me doing my word by

(44:33):
the honest to God truth that I get in my word.
I read the word, all right, cool, get me from
being on their time.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I pray.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
God is my witness. You can't hide anything from God.
It ain't no God. You know what I'm feeling. Please
get it off of me.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I can't. I can't lie to you.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
God, you see what's in my heart, what's on my mind.
I'm big and this is no lie. I'm praying God,
please get it off of me. Get what in a subside,
I'll be fine. Didn't get what he come to devil again.
That nigga boot swore to me he had didn't do
that ship. He swore to everybody he ain't had to
do it. And then he talked when Okay, let me
talk about this because I don't want niggas talking you

(45:12):
saying it just because he did. But me and this
nigga had a conversation on Instagram while I was in prison.
He know what type of time I was on when
I seen him, For I seen a nigga after that
when he was on the spressway. This is how retarded
I wore. Because I got to talk about the good
and the bad. I gotta talk about myself. Get it out,
just how retarded I wore. I'm on the spreadway when
they leaving the gym. My cousin can the tested this.

(45:34):
Even though I don't fuck with that nigga no more,
but not not not rooted. Okay, I don't fuck with him, period,
but he can have tested this. Well, We're leaving the
gym and I had a great workout, and it's how
to DEVI be working. I'm all the way up like
Conyers leaving a church gym. At that we ran on
the spreadway. My cousin tapped me. You're like, hey, look,

(45:57):
I looked to the right. Guess who it is, Boot
and another nigga in a car. He don't even see me.
Whoever the nigga was with him in the car. He
know I ain't lying when the nigga tapped him. When
a nigga tap like, look the same way, My cousin said,
look and I look. He the nigga tapped him. Boot,
damn the wreck, oh ship?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
If you ain't did it? Nothing wrong now, But I
know what the nigga saying I did. But this this
after I was out on bond. Watch this.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I'm gonna tell you how. I'm not lying one thing.
I don't make this ship up. I never will. It's
an audio in the video or a nigga in the
interrogation room. Same way they just had a thug. I
never put it out. The nigga sitting there, Yeah he
did it.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I know he did.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
It because we would just say he replayed the whole
situation at Crucier. He tell him all that, He tell
him the whole thing about us seeing each other on
the spread. He made it seem like I will fire.
I'm literally leaving the gym.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Bro. I'm not following you. Bro.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Man, the nigga got damn. And he said, this ship
is on film. I'm not making this substant interrogation video.
Everybody know the nigga crazy. I ain't know whether he
was finna shoot at me on the spressway or what.
So he said, what I did say that, let me.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Say that he got a right to think like that.
He had a right. Go ahead. Yeah, but he so
he in the he in the terrogates room, telling the truth.
He's not lying.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
He took that some truth and some live okay. So
he was like, man, I ain't know what the nigga,
God damn shoot at me and get off on me
or what. So he said, I stopped. This is how
I retarded. I wo was I just honest to god truth.
The nigga stopped in the spreads.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
He was telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
He stopped in the spreadway. I stopped in the spress
whaye were on the Spress Wave. Were on the five
lane Spress Wave. He stopped back here, I stopped.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I dried, he dried. It is like this, oh like
nig nigga. Yeah he was, he would the nigga waved
a gun. The nigga waged a gun in the car
like the strapped to you that from the front.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
You feel what I'm saying. But then that's why I'm
not bragging on these situations. I'm showing what it is
and I'm just telling the truth about when motherfucker I
one like that, but when the motherfucker get me on
that time, it's like you awake a fucking john.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I don't want to be on that top of this
stuff though. You don't did this to me, bro, and
this sitting the threats and walking around like ain't nothing
going on? Like you're seeing threat to so much I
gonna do to my family? We all everything up. Yeah,
so people some people are like, why do you do that?
Who he should have laid? You're talking about my Nigga'm
gonna die about my family. You gotta do it to me,
you know. I ain't lying, Yeah, because I can't go high.

(48:37):
I'm not feeling hot. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
I didn't now a nigga from over there or in
the city can say that boy talked this tale or
did nothing.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
They know that. We all like he know that he
told him for finish.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Shoot the nigga in the interrogation room, bru. It's a
two hour interrogation. To our interrogated. Everybody was like, hey, bro,
see me send us to Brian, Like hey man, whatever
you got that request their paperwork for an even like
just I was in pridgy, like leave it alone because niggas.
Niggas hear this nigga like he was all this King
of Cleveland Avenue shit, Like why this man is an informant?

(49:10):
This is not Let me make something very clear, this
is not me speaking on this ship because this man
is dead and gone. And I'll be honest, I had
to get that out of my heart. The nigga fucked
up my light. You can't fuck with me for no reason.
It took me a long time to even forget a
man from the grave.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah that's some deep shitah, nigga, I damn hated this
nigga was dead and gone, Like you can't.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
I would never do that to you. I would never
the man mama the man sister named Earlena. She was
in my class. This man mama had to walk us
to school before, not had to. But just like you know,
walking to school, all like we're all from over here.
How you do that to a nigga that your mama
don't walk. He thought he gonna be able to do

(49:54):
like some little slick shit. He thought he were gonna,
god damn throw the rock and hide his hand like
he had been doing to a lot of niggas around
the city. But let me be very clear by something.
This video exists where the man is telling them that
he did it. I ain't see him do it, but
I know he did it, talking about the robber and everything.
And it's another thing what I didn't I didn't understand

(50:16):
about Forton County. Y'all got this nigga making statements talking
about the robber too much in detail. How do he
not have nothing to do with it? How the fuck
a nigga know all this shit? Two, they got a
wire tap did what I'm saying when I didn't know this.
I found all this out when I'm going through and everything.
Boof one hit. Why every person you're talking to it's

(50:39):
on the wire tap. The whole robbery was on the
wire tap, the fingerprints, everything, get what Javars ain't never
I ain't never told on no nigga.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I never pointed nobody out. I never did none of that.
But y'all got all this stuff. But I'm just the
you know how they made me look, I'm just a monster,
crazy motherfucker like scar Face type. Just shoot them up, kid, Like,
while y'all got all this ship, the whole a whole
wire tap of the robbery, all that.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
And Javars just go to hound what they wanted you to.
They wanted you to coroborate this ship. They want you
to be like, hell no, they ain't even never We
just me and Brian just finding this out. Like the
evidence that they got they just won't get paint you
as a monster. But yeah, but I'm sitting there looking
at this ship like, how y'all how this part of
y'all evidence against me? And y'all don't hear this ship,

(51:28):
y'all don't see that. It was like a turn in
the blind eye. I guess what the man wasn't informant.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
I don't give a fuck who all this the nigga
to my Boulett Avenue, King of Cleveland Avenue. The man,
it's not me dirty, No, I don't do that just
because I'm not the person that because I don't like
a person have been saying that though I'm telling them,
I'm telling them ship it's facting black and white.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I've learned.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
I learned from Brian Like okay, cool, like he like
you know, it's a difference between the snitch and inform
come like. Yeah, they're saying the man they've been saying
thing they've been saying. The man been telling forever. He
saying he's an informant. He looked in and you got
you a nigga that snitches. Just he he say, some
ship told on the incident, tell on the situation. You're
a snitch, a nigga that's an informant. You got you

(52:15):
got an I D number.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
She ain't laughing.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
You got you got an I D number, and you
get paid a certain amount of money, You get paid
a certain This fucked me up. I didn't know you
get paid a certain amount of money per month. It's
levels to snitching and it's levels to be an informant.
I can't make this ship up. Done in Brasco.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Done in Brasco. Bro.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
So it is like, bro, imagine going through all the
suffering I went through, and not only me the victim,
the victim family, bro, like you got you can't forget that,
like like everybody know that was an accident. I've been remorseful.
I heard about that ship. I heard about it every day. Bro,
God is my witness. I prayer about it every day.
But we went through this pain and suffering, even though

(53:00):
was my decision. But it's like this nigga, but you
started all this ship and you been doing this. She
been sending the niggas on moves getting getting killed the
joke about him, Well, why that nigga send you on
the move, Hey boy, I got damn go do this.
Then the third pick up the other phone, Hey, I
got the young niggas over here, they from the head
over here to set the rob But Colin police, you
send them on the move over here, and Colin Police

(53:20):
with the other good night.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
That Johnny can't lose. How a nigga gonna beat you?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
And I just hate I came across the nigga man,
like like if that nigga never walked into that barber shop,
that day, none of this ever happened. Man, let me
ask you something. So the whole time you was going,
like what's your support system?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Like sh shot?

Speaker 4 (53:48):
They were like it was like damn, and like people
wanted to see me fall, Like people wanted to see
me in that predicament.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I kept it real with so many people, man, you know,
why would you say why would you say that? Like,
like why you say that I won't shy and have
one I had?

Speaker 4 (54:05):
I had, And of course the family gonna be there, Mama,
my grandma, mad you know, my sisters there, They're going
to be there.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
But it was all ways. It was there but limited.
You know, everybody got to keep living their life.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
But the people that really stepped up, like were people
that never got to experience any of the the highs.
Some of the people that kept that the realist with
me met me at my lowest of lows. That's how
I go friends that still uh you know, and they
be females man, and it's like, damn, I kept it

(54:40):
real with this person, this person, this person, this person.
And while you can stab me in my back like that,
I rather nigga just say fuck me. Why had I
had certain people that stabbed me in my back. I
had people that I helped that they loss I mean
absolute lords, and they never knew, knew my situation, knew
the things I was going through, know uh, you know,

(55:01):
the losing money because I gotta I gotta pay for
the lawyer.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Say, on the outside looking, a lot of folks might
feel like.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Javarron got it. He got to figure it out. He's
straight you know what I'm saying. You know, niggas from
the side might not know, but you're saying you had
people that knew. I had people that knew. Yeah, I
had people that knew that. I'm telling you know one
thing about me man that I hope people notice. But
now I'm very transparent.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
I don't I don't lie about ship on poppet when
I ain't got it if I'm fucked up or going
through someone, or let somebody know. If if a person
hurt me, I've been to tell him they hurt me.
I've been tell him how you ain't got to I'm not.
Youin't gotta be no mind reader to.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Straight up with.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
When I had I had people that I loved, it
was lord to literally would have took a bullet for
when I went through what I went through, slamming me
and talked about me. He'll have talk to women about me.
Try to talk to my my baby mama, a girl
who I was with five years like people that like, damn,

(56:04):
like I pick you up when you're going through this?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
How the fuck? How you do me like that?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Throw dirt on me while I'm on the ground. Yo,
I'm talk about in the worst way, like trying to
talk to my girl throw dirt on me, and Lee
like oh yeah, like fuck you you help me? Why
when I need it?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You? Fuck you?

Speaker 4 (56:22):
And you could you just be taking it like that
or this happened? This happened, Bro, I'm never I'm never
gonna be that person to exaggerate. I put something on
it that just not what it is. This literally happened.
I had family, I had family members steal from me. Bro,
I had an I had a person fun Damn, I'm
not spaying this. Fuck nigga, this nigga, this nigga. This

(56:43):
nigga was on my case. My cousin say, my co
defending I look Douglas Gamble with.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
The brown eye. Yes, saw him when he first got out,
because my lord.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
You know how you he was around us. I lord
him like a brother, true them like a brother. He
was right there, So you know I'm not making what
happened to him. He the one went with you, right he?
So let me ask you something. Me ask you something
before before you get into that. Do you feel like
you put that boy in that situation though, because he
got in the car driving for your crazy you're trying to.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Rick of a nigga. This man he ain't even cut
like that. So can you break that your fault? No?
You know why why?

Speaker 4 (57:25):
And I can see how somebody could think just asking
the question. I can see how somebody could be like
your head got damn being crazed. And this nigga ain't
like that.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
No.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
See when you sit down with a person and they
know what they sign up for. Yeah, you can't make
no excuses for him. In fact, when you sit down
with a person to say, hey, not no pressure on you. God, No,
ain't lying this nigga. No, ain't lying boy. I know
you ain't built like that. I don't even want you

(57:57):
to get in no type of trouble. But you see
what these folks doing and they send in these threats
and you see what the fuck going on niggas say, God, damn,
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm with it. He nigga robbed me. They did this.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
You know, they had the pistol on him. He was
about the God damn he was going crazy. No losing
it ain't funny. Brother, My life had my life had
gone through so much. It was your like, damn, it
got me down bad. However, I don't know if I
finla live or I was just like, it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I see what it is. You know, a break dancing
extremely like you're gonna get that make them killer, Like man,
he nigga got damn did this that and the third
that's so you know, like she like, you know, get it.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
And I'm like, hey, if it go this way, we
never speak on this ship again. Even go this way.
You know what we signed up for. So you can't
give a person a pass and say that I pulled
and you got to just.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Looking at it right now, you just like you know who,
ain't evenna get in the car with now, like cause
you been through it. Now you don't been through it,
you know, Like, bro, I'm finna just be the driver
in the shoot if I have to.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying like, nah, I never
I never man, Hey, God, I never be in that situation.
I've never been in that situation. I never do it again.
That's why I live by preventative measures, them facts.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I know how to be boy. But if you could
go back, you wouldn't get it in the cover that nigga.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
No, no, no, if I could do it all again,
hell because again, a nigga say what they okay with
just like a lot he.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Ain't He ain't even a street nigga. H It's a
lot of street nigga doing the same things. I'm trying
to tell you. Oh yeah, I'm with it. It's gonna
chill on, everybody, got there. I can't do twenty I
can't got there do the like.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
You know what, all this gangster ship you've been kicking
around the city, they would that you've been talking like
and you're talking about young with it. I know what
I signed up for, and then you you be the
first one to tell.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
But that that's why I'm glad God gave me a
gift to know just certain people just ain't for everything
you to be telling them, nigga that even when it
was just deep like certain niggas ain't for everything. Don't
talk about certain ship around certain niggas. These niggas is
for the for the bitches. He look good, he can
get holes. He a good gambler. Don't try to make
the gambler get the holes. And don't try to make
the gambler be with the robbers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
And you can't do that. You gotta baby. You know
what I'm saying, Separate these niggas.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Brother and yet what that that and that that that
was my fault. But it's like neither one of us
wanted to be in that situation. I can tee it,
but I my lord, I loved him like a brother.
I felt like, shit, I can trust you. I'm gonna
keep you one hung because because school gone. Daddy gone
Regipter school. But I was telling school because he you know,
he won't getting caught the bar. I was like, man, man,

(01:00:40):
let that man play basketball. Brother, let that man and
he's like, man, ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Hit the one't crazy. He wasn't calling you talk about nigga.
Ain't the fluence. I gotta go with him, like, don't
trying to like I'm trying to tell him, like like
let Javari out there could take you to be a best.
You're like broke you I am the basketball player.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I am a laid back that little you know back then,
like to go out, like to have fun. But it
just that's not you know. You know this for a fact.
Then nigga might have been crazy looked through it off,
but I wasn't on that type of time. You would
never know. You would never know that else. You come
fucking with me. You're not going though.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
You know it's a different though. You can tell when
the nigga just not going like for nothing. Like it
could be the simple thing like gambling. We could be gambling. Like, nah, bro,
I'm gonna call it and out of that little funny
hell where that car come from?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Black?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
You do you know what I'm saying. Nigga, call that
ship out for who it is. Where were at?

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Yeah, no resting, piece of school. Too many school. They
rest in piece to day. Fact, both of them, Nigga
told me boy, both of them niggas, Hey boy, not buddy.
I put him on day one day, my nigga, soul man,
I put up on day one day. Look I'm put
up at the house. They look at it, They look

(01:02:04):
at the door like you got he'll not let but
see me. I come, I made the door, day open
the door. He peet like, but who that is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
My buddy? Gonna tell somebody but a real sitting down
but don't let but it don't nothing about nothing with
me or you like he is gonna tell I will
say this about him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
I will say this about him, but like he kept
really the most niggas like, oh, I want to talk
about him too. My time we got but we rise
Jonathan Crutcher like he would when Crutch went by Crutch
from from from Inglewood, fat from l A Crutch Yeah,
real name is yeah blood dude, where you're from?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Where you are now somewhere being then informant like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Crutch was a rat to man, what I wouldn't even
you know what's crazy, wouldn't even think all this ship
just really bringing I've been through so much, brother, it
was so much involved in that case. And I'm tired
of spayning niggas because your Netflix don't want to let
people hear this side. They don't you know, they like
how they don't sell We want to hit what crash
do oh man, oh man, man went out the worst way.

(01:03:20):
So Jonathan Crutching nathing, crushing so and somebody else I
love like a brother. That's why, Man, if you're watching
this man the motherfucker, you love it like a brother.
Somebody that shouldot and pay attention to the signs. Man,
pay attention to the signs facts. Any nigga that are
walking around at the too hard all the time, same
what I just told you. I said, I've never owned

(01:03:41):
that time unless you make me be on the time
at the super tough, super hard, super gangster or something
right game banging on, break you wake or eat breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Niggas strumble.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
You're too hard, something that you're covering up for something
and covering up for something. And I was young at
the time. Now I know all the signs, but it's
somebody else I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Loved like a brother. Man like he know this, he
know this. I loved him like a brother. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
It's certain people that would have took a bullet for
It's just fact. And that's for real, for real. I
was around the man so much. His son used to
cry when I left. That's how you know a nigga
around you like yo, this is my little nephew. Had
to pick him up and play with him for a minute.
Put him down. He go back to crying, Uncle Jay, Uncle, nigga,

(01:04:31):
you can do me like you did me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I get to Discovery disc, you know, all my stuff
to Discover. He was heard about this because he thought
he was gonna be able to forever be a cover up.
I get to Discovery with his name on it. You
know this back when the disc. You had the disc
and pop it in. Oh shit, breaking my heart? Like,
uh yeah, we pull over where you're at it meet

(01:04:58):
at the Jimmy John's right here on fourteenth Street. Yeah,
it ain't really no no people over there. He get
in a car. It's just hear his voice talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
A detective mine. I said, man, what the hell going on?
I'm listening, listening man, the nigga hot head. This is
the same thing. We know. You're telling this to the
folks though, A telling this to me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
he did it. Watch this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
You know ain't lying. They don't ever hit me with
any game charges. You remember that the case was going
on to hit me with the game charges. Like a
year later. I had to turn myself in. They had
to take pictures of all my tattoos, of my whole body,
and I bonded back out. So yeah, you know he
got down. The man's feels well, we got the big
crip on on, the big see tattoo, all this shit.

(01:05:49):
So when it come out, he butt hurt because you thought,
yo whoever yo yo, yo yo, this detective. You've been
dealing with them, You been dealing with him, so you think, oh,
he gonna he's gonna protect me. The case so big.
You don't know that he recording you. It's a big
case they want to take down. It's all about publicity, notoriety.
You know, it ain't about you know, just justice. Who

(01:06:10):
gonna who gonna bring who gonna make the biggest taste.
The man exposed him, He expose him. After that, you know,
we turned around and get picked up. You know, I
got was out on bun to get picked up. The
ship he got going on. We get The only way
you get fucked up is if you're on this nigga line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
The people.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
First off, this is how they fuck up too. The
people lied and said, I said, I'm about to bag
up of two five five. I said, He said, where
are you at, little bro? I said, I'm in the
back of two five five, which we know is a
restaurant that were down on Peter Street two five five
as a restaurant. They got me on the wire tap
saying I'm about to in the in the in the
what's the name, saying I'm about to bag up a

(01:06:53):
two five five. We get picked up, you know, but
we get picked up for him. This nigga say he
the mastermind. He say, I'm he talking about me. I'm
the mastermind. I'm the money. Nigga tried to do me in. Man,
the boy tried to do me in. Damn about the
new Punch. I heard about punch, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
I'm not the person that to speak on somebody. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Punch used to be with him. But that's a jacket,
I see. I don't put that jacket on nobody, whether involved,
I heard, no, not even that. It ain't no hearsay
I heard. They could say, I heard, uh, this person snitching.
You ain't gonna hear me speak on it. I ain't
gonna say what I heard because I know how serious

(01:07:38):
that is. You put that jacket on Nigga's hard to
take it off of him, and then man might be innocent.
His head she ain't seen no black and white or
you know, don't notice for it, don't speak on it.
I'm speaking on it. This is who I am. I'm speaking.
Rat got got got the video. Jonathan Crutcher, Rack that Crutcher.

(01:08:00):
Jonathan crutch Crutcher, rat damn informant Policia, come quick in
the farmers in the farmer yes him, Yeah, But I been,
I been hold. I went through everything I went through, bro,
these niggas was able to just go Scott free, you see,

(01:08:21):
I'm saying. So I had to hold this in and
deal with everything I knew. While people was out here
praising Booth, they praised his nigga king of Cleveland Avenue.
So a lot of people know a lot of people
from Cleveland Avenue know now. But it's like y'all knew
it while he was alive, and then you ain't saying
nothing to uma back to him real quick. This when

(01:08:42):
he finally admitted he had something to do with the robber.
I had the disc I got passed. I started passing
the disc out, and I'm gonna tell you why I
missed up. I gave him a Paul. I put Paul
Paul Pierce at the Barber. I put him in a
bad predicament. I'm just mad, like, man, get these to
everybody to come through the shop so they can know
they can the interrogation videos. I put them in a
bad space because you got some killer rats, these nigga

(01:09:02):
bet rats, but they'll kill too, especially to protect the
cover they I put them in a bad space.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I was young.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I'm like, damn, and I want everybody like, why the
hell Pop won't get out there the this? But I
let my partner from my parting from John Brusau Mario
this my man like, hey boy, like you get this this?
He tell Bude like, hey boy, you've been saying, ain't
had nothing to do with that. But we got He
got the disc, he got the tape. We nigga sad
a minute Society. I got the tape this before the shoot,

(01:09:31):
after shoot, when you was on Bud, I was okay, Yeah, yeah,
I got the disc. He like, man, when you get it,
when you get it, just let me see it, man,
Just let me know when you watch it. Nigga, you
ain't freaking told what you mean you when a nigga
tryed tocuse me of doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
That yeah, real ship. Hey yeahn't even we ain't available
back then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
You know what I'm saying, Like, when you get it,
let me know, man, Like man I Man, I did
do it. Man, I was just fucked up at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
He didn't do what Man I did. Now the pressures
on you, Man, I did I did. I did do that. Man,
I was just fucked up at the time. I wasn't
thinking and I ain't think it was gonna go like this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
But the whole time, you don't lie to timming Guns
who like Dad the boat he he me and me
and somebody that I'm close with bumped heads.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
He's like, man, Boo, wouldn't do that to you. I'm like, Man,
we in each other. I'm like, Man, I'm telling you, Man,
it's a person I love, looking like your father, like Foriver.
I'm like, Man, I'm telling you that he really believing,
Like man convinced Tomming to try to convince you like
you tripping.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Because he close to him too. Yeah, you want he
want to do that to you based off of me,
And I'm telling him. Yeah, I'm like, man, you think
I'm a lot of you. Yeah, No, I give what
you're saying. Yeah, So let's let's jump to another rat.
We're gonna go back to crush when the folk come
pick us up my own bard get real arrested. I

(01:10:57):
don't really know what's going on. I honestly don't. They
picked they picked that so its a white man that
we was like, I got somebody on the phone. I
want to talk to you. I'm going off. It's January,
fort Tim, it's coal. They got my family outside in
the cold, you know, because they didn't have a warrant
to come in, just a warant to Hey, we got
the house around to come out, I come out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Why the fuck you got my family out here in
the cold. Fuck you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
I'm going I'm going off, bro, I'm cutting these folks out.
Get my folks out the fucking cold. Fuck who on
that phone? I don't know if it was him, I
don't know who. I don't know if it was uh
the prosecute, I don't know who it was. They said
we got somebody on the phone. I never take the phone.
But looking back at everything, you know, I get in
a call to take me on. When this person coming in,
I'm like, damn, chop, this person is so now it's

(01:11:44):
all like hold on. But the only common denominator, common
factor between all of us is buddy, man, you go
back and listen to the Discovery. We all getting pulled in.
You know why we never see this nigga's sitting down
at the house.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
They don't arrest, they don't bring him out and put
him in the car, and they having a how were
sitting down chopping it up? What they say?

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Thank you for the information you gave us about the
shoe outside of Magic City, thank you for thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Forsese boy, you've been working. So we owe the cat
out the goddamn hat man, You know the cat. The
cat is not the hat. Why you you've been You've
been running around too long. They they didn't know you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
You exposed now because nobody gave me the opportunity to speak.
They know them right, because people people that that had
to Discovery. I let certain people, you know, see the
disc They they knew, but it was a very select
few and they probably told a couple of people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But you're hearing it out of my mouth. You're hearing
it out of my mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Let me ask you something. Do you think because I
remember what you said said earlier that uh for his
candid basely trying to paint you, like the system basic
trying to paint you like we got this crazy ass
Bob Clear that just came over his shoe for nothing, basically, Right,
do you think all that stem from, like the ship
that happened in the locker room and in the NBA
and all that shit.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Yeah, I think about if that situation never happens, then
you know, like it's hard to believe, how sh But again,
they they picked sides and people painting narrative on. It's
always like even with me and him, you're the superstar,
but you got damn you any NBA. You ain't really

(01:13:31):
made no name like that for your sol You're trying
to figure out like people picked sides like me and him,
that whole situation happened because I'm not going from the strange.
That's always been my my it's like my downfall bro,
Like and later on in life, Yeah, what I started
just taking certain things, not letting a person disrespect me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
But I learned how to like let little sucker shit
flo over my head.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Yeah, I learned, like because it's like damn, like you
standing up to everything gonna get you nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
But that was me back then, I've been say like
you you know how something?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
You know how we could walk in the spot, right
and we see some nigga looking crazy, Nigga be like,
fucking key walker, you want to know why they're looking crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
And I'm gona say, I'm I'm gonna let them ain't high.
Like yeah, that's the difference. He'd be like, man, what y'all?

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
What you fuck nigga looking like like everybody like, man,
fuck them, nigga, Bro, we have a good time. You
want to know and you knowing you sitting down, did
you figure out, like damn that that that right? They're
gonna keep me and some ship right now, because nigga,
it's always gonna be some suckers.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
And that that again, I never looked for problems. I
never looked for drummer. You know that ain't my carriage.
You recognize them, but I recognize it, and everything is
not meant for you to address. Yes, sometimes you gotta
have enough wisdom. That's where I'm at now, Yeah, I
have enough wisdom. My favorite saying, anybody that know me
know this is my favorite saying. They probably saying it

(01:14:52):
before I said it. People didn't know me. That's watching
prevention is better than cure. And I had to learn
this through going through so much bullshit of my life.
It is better to prevent a situation and fixing it.
It's just like if I know Cleveland Avenue back then,
me now, if I know the nigga robbing over here,
guess what, I'm not gonna go over there, because if

(01:15:12):
a nigga robbed me and three in me and let
me live.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I know my mentality back during that time. So now
it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Prevention, prevention, prevention. I know how to stay away from problems.
I know how to be to myself. Back then, I
didn't know how to be to myself. I always wanted
to be around somebody. We're going to the club. We're
finna do this, We're doing that. I know how to
sit in the house by my fucking self. I know
how to be thankful because after being in a hole

(01:15:41):
for so long, tir time, just being in prison, like damn,
I'm locked in this room and can't get up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Out of here. What's the biggest lesson you think? Prison?
Can't you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Prison taught me a lot, man. That's the whole. That's
a whole other world in itself. It made me sharper.
It made me more alert because you gotta you gotta
be attentive to everything that's going on around you, especially
when you're any type of organization anything like that. You
gotta shick and pop at any given time. So you know,
you got older dudes in there that have done a
lot of time that you sit down and talk to him.

(01:16:16):
They don't give you so much gain so much wisdom,
And it's like, damn, man, I hate that OGI had
to go through this to be able to help me.
I got a chance at going home and he ain't
never gonna go home. But they gave me a lot
of wisdoms just on how to maneuver man. And everybody
got a story about betrayal. Everybody got a story about
somebody you know, spending their money and running out and
say it's like, damn, I ain't the only one. I

(01:16:38):
mean that more fucker mad, Like why people ran through
my money ran through it black like you the same
people I gave this ain't no. I gave a little bit,
Like I gave a lot on myself and what I made.
And it's like, but this ain't even what people think.
But I'm still giving to this day, I'm still giving

(01:16:59):
and it's like, damn you do. You can do it
like that, but do you get hurting by? But you know,
prison taught me a lot, Like I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Could tell, like like when I saw you when you
first got I think I saw you at the school first.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
He was talking at the school. I forgot the name
of it. The high school was over there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah, but you've always been like a solid nigga one
hundred percent. But I just met a different nigga that day.
I could tell, like stillar but I could tell he
don't want to be the nigga that he can be.
You get what I'm saying. That's a different bro, that's
a different person. Like, Oh, I see this ship, and
I know a lot of this ship is some sucking ship.

(01:17:36):
But I can't beat the referee no more. I'll let
your nigga have this ship. And I'm I'm thankful to
be doing an interview with somebody that you know me facts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
This ain't no.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
It was around the show a couple of times for
your brothers. Bro, we've been around like your money that
night you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Were talking about me and gas two days for two days,
I think I had one about a twenty third of
something you had one about thirty about thirty some thousand
from me. Came back like that about fifty thousand in
the backpack. Don't want to play right, you want to
play that nigga want my money and his money and

(01:18:14):
my money.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Man, we should have fun just sitting here with a
brother man that really you know everything I'm saying fact No, for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Sure, for sure they just tell lies. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
When you hit me like bro ready, I was like,
oh yeah, he ready to go ahead to take me
say what it is. But there's so many people that
sit on the podcasts and get on social media. They'll live,
they'll do whatever for lights and and all that ain't
never been the type no facts. And you know that's
why I'm glad that I'm here on something like this.
I can be real and wrong. People can, people can
get where they can like this motherfucker crazy. Hey man,
I'm giving you the real me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
So do you think do you think like what you
call it, like as a young Nige, you just lack
emotional intelligence. Oh that's deep, that's deep bro a yeah,
and I would have to have to agree with that.
We all did. And just being raised by a lot
of women, bro, Like like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Not having I had people around people that I looked
up to, like father figures, but not nobody that was
just around me all the time that like Tommy. Tommy was,
but it's like I'm looking at him and going off
what I see in the streets and during that time.
But I just somebody around to. As far as the

(01:19:28):
professional side, it's gonna let level headed. It's gonna say, hey, man,
you can't do that, and you gotta look at this
like this, and these are the things you have to
be prepared for with life. See, with my sons, it's
gonna be different. I can tell them, Hey, this is
what you gotta watch out for. Everybody ain't gonna like you.
You're gonna run into some suckers. You got some some
some suckers. Now they're gonna have some sucker kids. And

(01:19:49):
it's what you're gonna have to deal with, real ship, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Some hate.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
They got kids throw the way up because they're watching
what their mommy and daddy do and they hate us
and that's the norm to them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
And now they're gonna it's what you gotta face. Do
you think when you like it? For sure?

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
When you when you said some tumming when you said
Tommy is like og, youre telling me right, but I
see you do wrong no matter what. If you in
the street, you do wrong regardless. So it's like I
can't take you in. Basically what you're saying, I ain't
have nobody that I can look at as a person,
like how the dudes at the school and shit, how
we name people at school like these are a god

(01:20:27):
driven people. Now they they if they go with me,
all the way I can go. But when I start
going out on my own seeing niggas that, I really
can't look at you for advice because even though you
might be my o G, no you come around the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
If you give him some advice, you damn the needs
some Let me tell you about how he I'm saying,
I love him to death, but we're gonna give a
perfect exam without I love him. Man, he got a
good heart. He always he never abandoned me. I love
him to death.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Somebody say I just talked to him yesterday, never abandoned me,
being with me through every situation, the highs and lows.
But we laugh about something from when I was young,
when I was a kid, I had a bad temper,
bad attitude. That's why I was proud of my growth.
Going to the Christian Cadm, I really changed and I
suppressed all that. But I looked up to him so
much and loved him. So I'm following his every move.

(01:21:16):
It was a coach on another team. He died recently, man,
but when I was young, I think coach Team Georgia
or something. But that was our rivals before the Georgia Stars.
It was Team Georgia. And the coach used to try
to pull me, like, hey, you need to come over
here to the winning team. And they didn't like each other.
And if I see him, mug a motherfucker what I'm
doing right behind him? That The man went to him

(01:21:41):
one day, the coach said, hey, because you need to
come over here to the winning team, talker shit to me.
I'm competitive. If I see him kick over your I
kick over your. Anybody that was around during that time
when I was young noted, I'm not telling on them.
Never get on heid lot. I'm following him and he
that's who he was, that's who made him, that's what
made him kicking chairs over after we lost, and so

(01:22:03):
I'm following him. I cussed the coach out. The coach
says some ship to me. Yeah, you know, shoot a
shot at me. I forgot what. I cussed him out.
He go to tell me and say, hey, because he
called my son. Hey man, I know we got our
differences and all that, but now motherfucker son and going crazy.
You know this man, this kid just cussed me out.

(01:22:23):
He had to come talk to me and say, hey,
I'm grown.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
But I'm following. You got a problem with somebody, I
got problem with him. You do something, I'm gonna do it.
And it looked up to him and I took on
his personality. Not to say it was a bad thing,
because it helped make me. It shaped me the competitiveness
to in the games. He used to grab me and
we losing. He used to and it was psychological. He'll
grab my jap me up. What you're gonna do, what

(01:22:50):
you're gonna do to get us out of this ship?
And I go into that zone. I go into a
zone like it's only he could bring it out of me.
So it was like I had that around me and
it was good, but then it could have been bad.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
And you know what I mean here, Yeah, Mason so
so do you think what part of because you had
new babies when you came home, right, yeah, I mean
one or one okay, and you had for you in there,
I mean yet one one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
So you got two kids, how do you think fatherhood
changing from the first one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
To the new For the new baby, man, I just
appreciated it so much more, as like with my oldest son,
with Jalen, you know, I was thankful, you know, I
was happy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
It's like, man, it's my first kid. It's a boy,
but I'm also my son.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
It was it was it was fucked up because my
son was born while I was going through all of that,
not you know, through all the good ship. It's like
I'm going through this case Vonn and I had my
son through that situation, and he was about ten months
when I left the street.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Bro, So now I'm playing kid, I'm trying to play
catch up with him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
You know, even though we had we had a we've
always had a relationship coming to visit me in prison,
facetiming on the phone, like I kept a relationship with him,
but it was like damn, I'm here, but I ain't there,
you know. So that was hard on me and with
my cross. You know, it's like, man, I get to

(01:24:14):
do this over again. I truly thank God, Like I
get to do everything over So I'm building. I'm building
with my son, and then I got the new baby,
and I'm just And I never wanted to be like
with Jayden, like Dad, you tended more to cross. But
it's like I got both of my kids. But well
I missed out on it with you. Not because I

(01:24:34):
didn't want to be there. You know, I had my situation,
but I can't missing on there his life. I take
fatherhood very seriously, man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
So what's some shit you do to try to bridge
that gap between you and your first son, like to
let him know, like, bro, I was in the fuck
up space then, but right now I'm in a better
space to like move forward.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
I had to talk with him when I was in prison, man,
just to you know, about what happened. I didn't ever
want him to be blindsided about anything. To talk to
him about what happened, you know, while I was away,
and uh, just you know what, I've been trying to
do the bridge the gap, just you know, spending all
the time I can with him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
But but I want to speak on that too. Where
you know you have.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Unfortunately, I think I think, I think all women do
this at some point. But this man in the black
community that we deal with women that don't know how
to control their emotions to where it's like, you can
we cannot be together, we can feel some type of
way about each other, we cannot communicate. But that should

(01:25:34):
never come in between me being a father to my child,
because we have enough men that incarcerated and incarcerated, dead
and gone, or just don't want to be there, or
not mature enough to be a father that think if
you give a little money here and to pop up
here in that that you being a dad. No, when
you got a man that is a father father, I'm

(01:25:57):
my hands on dad, very involved and I love my
kids to death, want to be there. But then mama
feeling some type of way, you know, you you you
got a new family, you moved on or whatever it is,
whatever you hold it on to you. I feel like
if you got this on it, you got you driving
it that you you should give me more of it
and that should never come in to play with the

(01:26:20):
man that wants to be there. So it's too many
women that do that ship like don't talk to your daddy,
don't do this. I'm gonna keep the baby away from you.
Like a lot of men are gonna be watching this ship.
That know, Like, damn, why I feel that? Why does
a man have to deal with that? Because you hurt you,
You're trying to hurt the man because he give a fuck.

(01:26:41):
But think about the dead beat that don't care. They
got to get ran down on. You gotta chase them
down there, Come come get your baby, Come spend some time.
But a nigga that's trying to spend time with their
kids that want to be there, that that's like very active.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I know it's gonna hurt him. I ain't gonna, ain't
gonna weaponize. You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
You can't see him. You're hurting a relationship with that
child and his father. And then when you push that
man away so many times when he actually get the
fuck on, they say, I can't take every man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I learned this. You have to guard your mind. You
have to. So if something keep hurting me and I
keep going back to it, going back to it, I'm
a fucking fool. You're insane. You just keep walking into
the knife and going through you walking into the knife,
you're hurting yourself, you say if you like damn even
though man, I want this with that knife, right, they
keep mother fucking stabbing me and I'm gonna back up.

(01:27:30):
Then when you back up, he did be He don't
even be with it. And they're gonna tell the child
all the type of fun, be real with this child
about what the fuck you're doing and that is wrong,
and then the other fuck that thing is that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Most and I've been guilty to this at times as
a as a child, because you don't know better, most
kids are gonna choose the mama. Mama's can fuck up
a million times, bro, they can fuck up a million times.
Dadd is't you don't. You ain't got the same and
it's fucked up. You don't have the same room as

(01:28:06):
the month. Mama can go out here and cheat. Mama
can't got damn talk to daddy disrespectfully. Mama can keep
you from daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Mama can do all type of a long list of
fucked up shit. They can do it and then get
what the niggas saying, that's still my mama, right arong.
Your daddy can love you the same way your mama
love you. Get what because of the court system. Mama
get to have you know you you live with Mama. Shit,
Daddy wants you to live with him too. I want

(01:28:35):
you over here with me too. But this is the
way it goes. Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
So you got to go through all this paperwork and
get them legitimized and do you over here? So because
you're over here with Mama, you rhyme with Mama Dad
over here? God damn hey, why I love you the same.
I want you over here with me too. Listen, Daddy,
you did this. Mama says you did this. That manipulation
though it's total manipulation. But how long has it been
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Forever? Forever? Forever? That's why.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
That's why I like, like even back in the day,
like even though we want to split me and want
to split it, like my kids gonna take her side.
Why you tell my boys because I got boy. Y'all
don't see wh y'all get your own bitch. You gonna
see how this ship goes. They gotta grow into it,
like it's three sides.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
I can't. I ain't finna bitch up for y'all litt niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Yeah, I ain't gonna say fuck you because I ain't
gonna never, but these women will make you say fucking kids,
especial for y'all separate.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Like, man, you know what, bitch, I'm gonna speak on
some person right now. And the reason I said, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
I don't seen them nigga be trying they best.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
I ain't no niggasnna go down there and call the
police and child support itself. It's like they know that,
like he ain't finna go down and put itself on
child's putting due out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
So a nigga wasn't left to do so.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
So man, that's why I say I'm gilled to that
because guess what, my mom and my daddy, Y well,
my dad ain't always been perfect. He know, he ain't
always been paying some things. You know, we we we
for a long time. I held a grudge against them.
I guess what now I forgive him. I love my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
I talked to him, but I know because I know
my mama now, I love I love my mama. I
love my mother. I know that it's probably you're human.
He ain't been there like you should, but get it
probably been Sometimes you ain't got to speak on it.
But I know, because I know how this ship works,
that you want all you pupped up. Now you there

(01:30:20):
like you supposed to be, but I know it probably
been some times where you try to be there and
she ain't do this or they you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Like, that's why I say I'm gonnaive it to that too.
And again as we get older and deal with our
own kids. Now that's the only thing that can give
us the perception of understanding, Like damn, yep, we can
sit back and look like that if I'm going through
this ship and I know the man I am and
the fall I am. I love my children, but you
understand I love love my babies.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Like what one thing about most niggas, though, brother, a
woman to go to the detail with a child.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
A dadd will just be like, you know how your mama.
They don't even go into detail.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
A woman will go into detail how she's been hurt
and how hurt she is behind this man. So a
dude like you talking to your child, you ain't finna
go tick tack where your mama?

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Did your mama? Hold your mammy and mama, we ain't
finna do that. I'm just saying most of the time,
nigga won't do that. But but.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
The thing about it is a woman would do that
ship while y'all in a relationship, like telling this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Kid like you, I'm all you got like it's a programming.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
But let's keep it real. A woman were also going
to detail about a lie. Yes, you're going to details
about the lie that she's felt that that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
She was also going to detail because now you have
to convince, you have to convince this child.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Niggas do that what you got women? You got some
niggas do that too. I know some nigga tell them.
Niggas would tell you a lie just because you know,
I fuck with you, so he don't want me to
fuck with you or you the fuck with me, So
I'm gonna tell you a lie or what kind of
fucked up nigga that I that I am and I
ain't did nothing like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Listen, think bro, I don't seen it done. It's done
to me right now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
But I let it be because one thing about it,
you be around the nigga on the you're gonna see
he doesna see he though, come you come around me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
I don't even match the nigga that he's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Saying I am get what for so long? For so
long man, people people people would do that same thing,
like like talk about other people. I've never been that
person to just go off a personal word to see
how you treat me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
I don't know why you doing this to him because
a lot of people they just lit it many this
nigga secretly hate you, so he gonna come a yeah, man.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
That nigga black goddamn whoa what again? How we're talking
earlier about I don't put that jacket on it. That's
what a lot of things with snitching with whatever. When
you bad mouthed, I'm you're finna go and take that
jacket based off of what you said and just go
put it on this person.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Well you over there in the corner hating facts. They suckers.
They be they be timed.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Ubout it, brother, you can be. You can be sucking
a girl. This nigga like it ain't even his girl.
He just liked the girl and bit shooting up and
spending money and this nigga go bagger and nimb but
the trick got anything. It could be the smallest shit
ever that you don't even know. Your personality can trigger
a nigga call heard.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
The nigga telling man, you you heard that? Now? I
ain't heard that, bro? Like you know what I mean?
Anything anything.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Niggas will say anything, Bro, Just get what a nigga
pick up on what javars don't like in people like
just Saven. You could say, don't funk with such such
because he will a pink shoe of blue shoes or something.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Then a nigga convinced you that I got the blue
shoes in my closet too, So you love you know
what I'm saying? Like, yeah, automatically, I'm automatically what do
you call it? Manipulating your mind to be like this nigga?
Some bullsh A lot of people not smart enough, bro.
You know you know so many people just take stuff
and run with it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Yeah, a lot of people really not smart enough to
discect Like let me sit here and take in what
you're saying and dissect this ship and really let me
look at you too, like I'm at person too, but
it's because of what I've been through, so I'm so
attentive to you can't just piss on my head and
tell me and rainy shit, you feel me like I'm Okay,
I'm gonn pay attention to you. What you say, your
behavior you talking about it could be true, but let

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me pay attention and see.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
But it could be true. Certain ship could be true
against you. Yeah, like saving some ship be a reaction
that's saving it's a nigga. Be like, Man, this nigga
got damn but my head and took my money. But
you ain't told them that. I know you stole my money,
sneaking ship. Why was you about to say that? A
lot of people gonna tell half stories. Yes, I don't

(01:34:24):
like people get what this real ship. I don't like
people that can't be accountable. The biggest bro. If you
can sit here and just well a person did me
like this, did me like this?

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Did me like this?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
And it's like, but it's half of the story. Talk
about all the shit you did to make this person
do that to you. Yes, because a person ain't doing
this ship for no reason, this type of way, for
no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
It ain't nobody else saying this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
He did that to me, like we see here we
talking about but he was a nut back in the day. Yeah,
I can tell it's the truth. I ain't see that
man trip many to.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Be accountable like even women. If you a whole or
you went through a whole phase, you was a whole
when you were younger, It's okay, you are a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
How to do it now? You don't be like I'm classy.
I never did this.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
You flying out to this NFL nigga, this NBA nigga.
It's rapper nigga. Tell the truth and see who accept
you for that exactly. Don't manipulate niggas and I'm just
some wholesome You do that now, nigga the biggest snitch,
like the biggest gangster fact, he ain't gonna tell you
like man, let me be a man and goddamn say
I told in this situation to see these nigga fuck

(01:35:32):
with me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
A lot of these nigga fucking with rats. You might
be safe. It's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
Tell the truth, nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
I ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
They accept them in a lot of services now, but
they're like, man, b be who you are and be
okay with that. Man and even mistakes. I can't stand
people that walk around like they picture perfect. I will
tell you how proud of you I am the growth
we both have grown. But the way people all know
that we're grown, we tell them. But they was around
and it's like, bro, I used to be like this

(01:36:05):
and I've grown to be this. Some people on that
like they always had it all together. They've been picture perfect.
They come from a picture perfect family, they always had money.
Tell the it's a part of your testimony. Even if
you was a whole get what you you, you might
end up getting the greatest husband ever. And this nigga,
you go victor somebody telling me your story, what you've

(01:36:25):
been through, and that man can love you to death
because of what you went through because he's not judging.
When you go out here and try to act like
you ain't never did and I'm just this woo and
the nigga find out that this the other Now, I'm like,
god damn you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
You're a run a nigga around there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
You know you come around at hard nigga find it
black and white Like God damn buddy, you got damn.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Cut your fucked up hey. Now get what that's crush like,
like like boots to say, boot pot boot boot crutch, sucker.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Get what I do though I turned my I make
sure I let niggas know I ain't always been this
focused or this healed or this trying to be prevention
like you. I like that word because I do that
too on gold places on be what niggas because I
know me, So let me just say, yeah, that's what
I'm saying, like I don't even want to because I'm

(01:37:18):
what you call it prevention beat security.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
I love that, bro, cause that's your truth. Instead of
trying to fix some ship.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
You don't even go around that man, because you know
how you're your opinionated that niggas you really hate sucker ship,
You're gonna call it out and you're gonna You're gonna
gonna be an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
That's why you know what I mean. Now, I gotta
fix this ship now and we don't know how they finish.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Go, but get what prevented. That's why I make sure
niggas know I'm still healing. I ain't all the way there.
It's certain ship that can trigger me to be some
bull ship, so I prevent it. I'm glad you said
that word the word of the day. It's crazy that
you say that. And people that have been talking to
me lately and what I tell them, I'm still healing.

(01:37:56):
I'm going through a healing process. It don't and I
thank God for to be mentally, I thank God for
the restoration, you know what I mean. But it's like
I'm still on a healing journey and guess what I
had to learn and keep people away from me. That
it's a lot of people that can know you're on
a healing journey. They can even know they hurt you,
betrayed you, that they were part of the reason that

(01:38:17):
you all the way you are, that you went through
the things that you went through, and they won't give
a fuck, like, well, let me hurt you, smoke, let
me backstab your again. When people show you their true colors,
especially at your lords, pay attention and separate you feel
me because some people you can, you can, you can
pull your heart out to them. Hey, this is where
I'm at right now, this is what I'm going through.

(01:38:37):
You caused this pain, You did this to me, and
they're saying, oh yeah, so the fuck what and do
it to your again. You're not gonna be able to
heal like that. Sometimes you got to be by yourself.
You got to get away from all negativity, and a
lot of people don't know how to be by theyself.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Telling I was one of the people. I didn't know
how to be by myself, but the pain taught me.
While yeah, keep getting backstabbed and cross the stabbed and
shot enough you're what. You're walking away like the wound
that man got you patched all up all over you, limping,
leaking like a mother for like now you Hey, I
ain't gonna take all this abuse. I ain't gonna get
stabbed or cut or I ain't gotta patch this wind

(01:39:13):
up if I'm over here by myself or with a
small circle of people that really loved me and got.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
My bad facts. I had to learn that, bro, and
cause the crazy part. And I'm glad you said that.
The crazy part about this ship is, Bro, if you
gotta go around the motherfucker or come around the mother
motherfucker around you, and you gotta be the way you
don't want to be no more, that person ain't for
your life right now. You know what I'm saying. It's
like certain people.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Don't even go around because I already know you don't
even get this nigga that I am. You don't even
get the nigga that I want to be, exactly because
you already know the nigga. You already know me as
something else, Like it's niggas that I love to death,
but it ain't don't know me no more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
I love you. You don't even know me? O, Yeah,
like you don't, so I ain't you. You ain't even
mad at me? You mad at a nigg that don't
even exist no more. I can tell an nigga that
shit all the time. Like, okay, bro, you're right, I'm
mad at that nigga too, but I ain't him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
So if I'm gonna come around you and it remind
me or trigger me to be like because i'mnna feel
like you know as me and some in you that's
gonna be in you forever, it's like so, but if
I come around you and you're showing me like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
On faking it or you think I'm a whole them
had to show you. So prevention beats the.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
Cure, bro, Like listen, that's a lot of people that's
watching that this is gonna hold onto that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
It's like damn, bro, that's real.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
They're gonna hold on to it and it's gonna help
shape their life, man, because a lot of people be
in situations that they can prevent.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Even myself, guess what I could have prevented being in
certain situations, but if I wasn't wise enough. But do
you think if you have.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Prevented it, you have this knowledge and this wisdom of
back like you, cause if you have prevented it, and
when all the way whatever happened, you've been so gullible
with so many leeching. You know how light I feel
without lead? Just like I feel light, I feel I
don't feel heaven because my heart so big. Our hearts
is big exactly if certain things didn't happen to us,

(01:41:09):
but we would have been and we ain't know. We
ain't no dogs, we ain't no green niggas. But it's
like sometimes our heart and our lord to would make
us look like, by god, damn, you're a dunk because
you can't see what this person that who you love
and you so Lord, you can't really see they heart.
They're heart at the same as yours. They don't mean
you where to what you're giving them. They're not gonna
give to you like it's certain niggas. I want to

(01:41:30):
forgive so bad, but I do I forget anybody. If
a motherfucker take accountability, Bro, I forgive you, but that
don't mean I can fuck with you. You know what
I'm saying, I can forgive you, like you know, I
ain't gonna hold no grub but a motherfucker that it's
gonna blakely lie in my face and be like I
wasn't there too when this shit happened.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
You know what I'm saying. You know you got this,
like I want a part of this. This didn't happen, Like,
come on, bro, happened to me. So you know, if
you that kind of person, I know that what trigger me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
It's like all right with your girl or something and
she You know, the women, it's kind of hard for
some of them to take account of bit and I
don't put all of them in the bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Some of them it's hard, Like they're gonna lie to
the bus side, you goddamn. So let's be realistic.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
It's probably it's probably it's probably five to ten percent
of women in this world, five to ten, my nigga
out of temperate. Okay, Yeah, I'm trying to get in
the biggest. Some women I don't want to be mad
at me. Probably about three percent, but they're like by
most women. But and I had to learn this, brother,
when I came home motherfucker will know they did to

(01:42:39):
the wrong. And this is another thing I learned. A person,
you know, a woman can know they did to the wrong.
This ship right here, there's no different us looking at
the floor. And if a quarter on the floor, we
see this quarter, you can't unsee this goddamn call. You're
telling me you don't see the quarter, but the quarter
right there with all this ship is before your eyes.
You'll be allging back and forth. Eight you will be
breaking this ship down and layman's terms, like, hey, you

(01:43:01):
you find the analogies, you find it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Any type of way to get this ship across to
this quarter is make food like yourself. And what the
whole time you stressing you mad, you get you, you're like, damn,
you don't see the got damn the whole time they
see the goddamn quarter right there on the floor. They
just don't give a fuck that you're saying this quarter
on together.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
What I'm gonna tell you, somebody how to losing some
of these women is jay some of them, so delusion them,
the motherfucker fixing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Their head where they don't see that quarter. The motherfucker
women can convince themself for their own lie the boy
and cry every emotion that is, well, I know how
to show you ain't lying, and it'll make you think,
like is that quarter right though? Yeah, you're gonna start

(01:43:50):
like a tripping the best.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
You got some whole ass niggas got the same whole
ass trait like women. Yeah, they don't see that quarter neither. Yeah,
so when you see those type of niggas, bro, you
have to eliminate yourself. Prevention beats cure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
And my thing is like, you know, I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
I can't forgive people once they are accountable, but like
you said, it's hard to fuck with them again. Yeah,
but like even a person that finally say I see
the quarter, damn, how the fuck I ain't see the quarter,
It's like, motherfucker, how could you not you saw that?
It's still quick. It's like I appreciate the apology. Accountability

(01:44:30):
is everything to me, so I can respect your accountability.
It can make me want to communicate with you. But
like the reason that you're saying you ain't see this quarter,
but these shoes is right here. You got damn face
side thirteen. Probably you know whatever, you can't see the
big shoe, Like when you tell me your reasoning. It's like, man,

(01:44:51):
you just better off just saying you sorry. Yep, just
say sorry and leave it alone because you're making me
feel like I'm stupid. Don't try to make me feel
like I'm stupid. That the worst shit in the world, bro. Like,
so this ain't you on campra Yeah, Bro, that ain't
me it blury.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Man, that that ship be sad.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Bro, Hey, let me ask you something we get out
of here, th Jay, Like I seen that you wrote
a forty forty page letter to the victim family, right yeah,
and they turned around and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
It was like they were still like, basically fuck you.
Basically it's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
It's hard to speak on that, brother, because they got
every right to feel how they feel. Like emotion, Yeah,
I cried in the courtroom, bro, and you know me
and from people that's hearing how I was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
I ain't cried about no fucking prison, bro. Yeah, really ship.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
I cried about seeing that family hurt, having to go
through that pain and me, finally I can't hide from
it the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
God knew and I prayed to God about it, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Finally had to come to that that that point where
I got to face them say Hey man, it's really
what happened, bro, this ship devast I was heartbroken.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
I be hard.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
I prayed about it. Every day I wake up, I
pray about it. So it's like it was an accident,
true enough. I shouldn't have even been. Let these niggas
pull me into that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
I let these niggas trick me and pull me into
the situation and somebody innocent. Now I think about this
ship all the time and how many situations were they
were like hey boy and stuff, can you know?

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
And some people can be And I'm like, no, hell no,
I ain't never been like that. I ain't never been
on the fuck with tour. It's like innocent people, no, no,
for sure, no, Bro, that shit hurt me. Bro. So
they have every right to feel how they feel, even
though they know that's a great life. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
It's like when a person is remorseful because you got
people out here. They brag about catching bodies. It's all
in the music, smoking our all this ship. They brag
about this ship like it's cool. Like nothing's cool about
this ship. Granted, some nigga put themselves in fucked up
they do fucked up shit, but things happen. I'm never
saying it's okay, though, but the families that hurt behind us,

(01:47:09):
it's never okay to make them feel this way. Bro,
that shit don't go away. Never never go away. Twenty
thirty years be them past and don't go away. But
the only thing that I didn't appreciate is like, I
can't even you don't even sound right. I don't pre
fuck how I feel, but I want to speak on.

(01:47:31):
I tried, like I'm a person that's been remorseful. I've
tried to make amends. I'm still that I'm always gonna
try to make amends. But it's like I wrote them
before the page letter. They wrote me back. No, they
wrote me first, and we started writing each other back
and forth. They've been to church with my family. They said,

(01:47:51):
they forgive me, they love me, you you know, like
we all know it was an accident that the DA
tried to paint it like it was any.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Blood, you know, like they you know, they manipulated them.
I said, once we find out the truth, you know.
They was like, nah, we won't with that. We're gonna
go to the parole board on your behalf. You know,
you too, handsome, handsome to be caught up and shit
like that. You know, you should have been out here
modeling and still doing your basketball stuff, all these things.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
So it was almost like I'm writing them this letter.
We writing each other back and forth where I'm finally
fiting some relief. It's like, man, like these people forgive me,
but thank you God, Like God forgive me. They forgive me.
But then the snap of a finger, but that shit
just changed. They took they took the letter and took
it to TV one and made a show. And I

(01:48:40):
only I only know this because of the things that
I know what I put in the letter, So all
the stuff that I saw on that show. When I
was locked, it was like damn. So my lawyer even
came to me, she'll judge now, but she was like Javar.
She was like, you gotta get heart. She was like,
I'm seeing it, like I can tell some bullshit. You're
not a bad person, made a mistake, you're remorseful for.

(01:49:01):
She was like, but your good heart gonna get you
in the world trouble. She was like you like, no,
you think get You're gonna be done for. So I
never forget, you know. They were trying to suit me
for a hundred million dollars. I ain't we talked about this. Yeah,
I've never seen that A hundred million to do to
get that. And again, I don't want to sound like, man,

(01:49:23):
I'm remorseful. I hurt for them.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Bro, I'm a person that won't to make it right,
which I never much money. Can't even fix that fixed.
You can never fix it honestly, so you can't make
it right, but I want to try. So at that point,
I'm thinking, like, don't write, let us to the kids.
I'm like, and it made my heart. I just felt better,

(01:49:45):
like I have an opportunity when I get out if
I keep writing and I keep talking to them to
what we can have a relationship where even it sounds crazy, but.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
It was just my hopes because of how it was looking. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
You know when they when they let me out, you know,
the family objected, they said, well he need to do
all his time. It was just like as if everything
was just fake, like it never happened. So that's what
they are entitled to feel.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
The way they.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
They were like, damn, man, like, don't don't trick me,
make like gave money gifts, like being in church with
my family they prayed together, bro, and it like I'm
hurt that I again, I let these sucker niggas trick
me into doing crashing out, doing something that affected myself
and somebody else and their family and their kids.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
I won't to make it right. Man, you know my heart,
but you don't even fun up for sure. But it's
like even with the Netflix ship, like to get up there,
like I just said, like we ain't never you would
think I'm gonna just fucked up, nigga. I ain't never
reached out. I ain't never tried to. But now because
when they objected me getting out, like uh he did that?

(01:51:01):
He that in the third the judge like, okay, you released,
but you can't have no contact with them. That's not
what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
I thought that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Somehow try to mend a little bit. Yeah they're not wrong,
Yeah you feel what I'm saying, but it's like, damn.
I just the way it looked at first, and it
was just like again, it ain't what you think. Your
heartbeat wont certain things like man, if they can truly
forgive me and we can writing them letters back and forth,
I thought I thought it was like we're.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Gonna go to the parole board.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
They lied to us the gifts and the things that
I was able to do at that time, and it
was almost like when the money stopped or or I
couldn't get them what they wanted because you got to
thank the lawyers, the people stealing from it. I ain't
even we ain't even have time to talk about my cousins.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Still not safe.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
It's like, bro, I can't do what y'all want me
to do, but I'm here, I'm willing, I will. It's
never bro. If I if I had a hundred million
to get them right now, and I get them a
hundred million and they're still like, hey, we need, we
need it's something else that need to be done, like
let's figure this out. Like I'm gonna do it if
I can do it, but just to like make me

(01:52:15):
think that it was this way, and then at the
end it was just like a trick, like you know,
like fuck you, and again, I don't want to it's
not about me, like they entitled.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
They got every fucking right, but you're saying you wish
you could make it right, but I can't be in
limbo trying to make it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
I can't Thank you, bro, thank you saying it for
I can't be It's like I can't be like thinking
we like, okay, we we getting to this point, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
It's like fuck you yeah, and it's like damn, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
I be like, but you're saying you do understand the
roller coasing emotions because like that's just like every day
I wake up, I feel different bout day.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Man gone.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Some day I feel like damn this damn. But some
day I feel like, shit, I'm getting to it, and
some days I be down, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like they gonna go through that for the
rest of their life.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
So I give you I feel them, bro, like I.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
They know I'm remorseful or they know that if it
was intentional to be harder to forget, like it was like, shit,
you meant the goddamn I ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
I didn't even know that New Folk was out there.
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
I'm talking about not know, Like it's a possibility. This
nigga sitting on the front of me about by itself.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
And ship.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
Now that ship don't never go as playing nigga be God, damn,
we're gonna go this way, like and this this is
an unfortunate situation.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Brought it out every day. I wish it I could
change God as my witness.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
I pray about it every day, even though they say,
you know, you don't have to keep asking God for
forgivening it's over and over again he forget.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
But I still do it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
And I pray for the family, and I pray that
they can that that one day we can get to
a place even though it's hard, like like how you
want us to forget, how you want us to feel,
But it's just the fact of making me think like, damn,
you you forgive me. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta,
it's a chance. And then it's like h so, then

(01:54:15):
I keep I'm human too, bro, you know it's like damn,
and keep like, okay, we we we're getting closer. And
then it's like huh Now, sometimes you gotta you gotta
protect yourself because I can't even talk to them right now.
I can't even be around them. But that netflix shit
hurts cause it's like, speak on how you feel about me,

(01:54:37):
speak on the pain, and I can't even tell you
how to feel. But don't make it seem like we
ain't by our family, we ain't ever talk, ain't nothing
no gifts, no like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
We care. We care. I care. We want to make
this right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
Some people don't give a fuck Black. You notice that
that nigga's out every day like that beat cases or
go sit down and do five to ten years or
have along, and people don't give no fucks. I talked
to one person when I was locked up. He gonna
know like we see this Like, I'm like, bro, like
what you did? Because he was locked up for murder
he got a life sentence though he's been going like

(01:55:14):
twenty four years. I talked to him probably like three
weeks ago, just checking on them. But we were sitting
at the table and I'm like, bro, what you did?
Don't neother fuck what you Mentally?

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
You were like hell no. A lot of people be
like that. A lot of people really don't like not
talking bad about him. Some people have to force themselves
to not think about that and not having no stomach
or conscious so that they can survive, so that they
can keep pushing it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Fucks with me every day, bro, Now that because you
ain't get the niggas who actually did you got niggash didn't?
You didn't give a fuck? I want yeah, I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
No, because of my relationship with God, I would bro
being I would seek forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
But once you said forgiveness, you're gonna be forgive right
then I want them them.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
It's certain, nigga that when you go to robbing old
ladies and robin pregnant women and the ship that they
were doing, the killing they were doing, like I like,
it's this is an innocent.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Probaly wouldn't have never gotten caught you you man, That's.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
How they wouldn't even pursued it. I know that they
weren't even they wouldn't even pursued it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Look at all the cases that happened like that, and
they dropped the charges of don't go after them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
They weren't even pursued it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
But an innocent person but not even it ain't like
I got damn them for just straight up the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
No, that ain't how it happened. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
The person out there, street lights is out, shouldn't have
been doing the ship. Shouldn't never let the niggas suck
a niggas trip.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Me into this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
A bullet bounces off the ground, bro, There's a lot
of people don't even know that the but the nigga
dove and I'm shooting at the ground. I'm shooting, I'm shooting,
he dove, I'm hearing at him. And I hate even
I hate talking about this. I hate even going back there.
A bullet hits off of the ground, ricochets off the ground,

(01:57:04):
don't hit her in over here, and sin which I
hate that it happened, period, hits her in her for
more arter bro off the ground directly into her for more.
Oh my god, and she bleeds out.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Bro. You know how I feel like I had to
work like Nigga, you got the worst fucking lucky in
the world. Nigga that somebody like this ship happened to
you over here. You're trying to let it go. You
go out of town. We ain't even get into that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
I go out of town to run from the situation,
not running from niggas, like my mind, I'm running for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
Come back. Remember that the same the same night we
get rocked. Nigga, it happened again, and then this you
off the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
You feel like you were just sparling in that time,
like she was just sparling for you. Why, Like I mean,
on a spiritual attack.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Anybody who ain't got no relationship with God, like you
don't understand the spiritual rem It's just like I was
on an attack left and right because you was around.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
The stuff that was happening to me is not normal, Bro,
you know, back to back to talk about on him.
We're not we're not. We not making excuses for me.
I'm not making excuses. Bro, you were there for the
ship was not It was.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
Like boom boom, boom boom, like I'm trying to go
out of time to get away, keep training, come back.
Something else happened, boom trigger. The nigga's still woofing. I
ain't never wanted none of that. I ain't never want
none of them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Problem.

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
I want to go get me. I wanted to go
get me a hundred million. It's life, though, man, you know, unfortunately,
but man, I've been mentoring and coaching. I've been doing
some some uh some streaming stuff, you know, all this
new streaming. It's it's different ways and different things I've

(01:58:57):
been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Man, in the.

Speaker 4 (01:58:59):
Opportunit across my path, about to about to work on
a book. I'm about to work on the book because Bro,
this the this was therapeutic today. But I mean, like
I've been through so much ship and holding it in
like where like I'm the only one taking lists and
suffering and for us raining all this negative ship about
me and making up stuff or making tiktoks and it's life.

(01:59:22):
But every person that did something to me that got
me to this point was spared. It was spared, but
we sp but even we.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Spared a couple of niggas we got to do a
part two. We spared a couple of niggs.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
A couple of nia even like we ain't talk about
the throwt tweet what tweet the stuff that Rollo put out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
And don't you know, I don't have a problem with tweeted.

Speaker 4 (01:59:49):
It was some tweet about crime start like where thought
either liked or reposted, uh the warrant like I was
wanted for murder in that situation, you know what I mean?
He either liked it or reposted it. And you know
him and Rollo going back and forth and saw that
before before I didn't know that he did. But it's
it's they put it out and so I was surprised,

(02:00:12):
like damn, what put it on the store and they
spread on like different little media outlet. He took you
what what it is supposed to say? It like what
like it's just like you know, Javar's Credington wanted from
arrested or want it for murder and he posted it or.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Liked it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
However, it was l trying to call him out, like nigga,
you've been working with crime stoppers all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
But I don't get caught up in it. Me and thug,
all right, I talked. I talked to the.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
Before the day before he took his pleaded, talked to
him for a hour. You know, I mean trying to
impart some wisdom other niggas. So when I talk, when
I talk about Cleveland Avenue and Rock Crew, and it
ain't all of them, it ain't all of them because
I'm I'm I'm from Captain Home and I'm from Cleveland Avenue,
So it ain't them. Some niggas over there I look
up and they love me. It ain't all. It's the

(02:01:02):
sucking niggas that some of the same sucker niggas that
told on him. But it's like, I ain't gonna lie
that ship got damn Yeah, I'm like, damn bro.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Oh oh, you're saying basically like he did.

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
It was back then. Yeah, yeah, it's not new. Look
up the girl who got shot, she probably grew up
with them too, though, right she did.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
She she grew up but I didn't know it, but
everybody grew up together. And it was like, basically he
wanted justice for her. He's he showed his justice for her.
Is that what you're saying? I don't know you you
got see it, But my thing is like, bro, you
know what the fuck nigga did me? Was like, okay,
we're all on the same page as far as like
justice for her, even though of course nobody want to

(02:01:43):
go to prison. You want to repent before God. We're
all on the same page. Like it's wrong. It's not
a good street.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
It was some streets ship at the time that y'all
put not him, but your niggas that's around your nigga,
that that's your best friend. Y'all niggas with you. You
ain't them, but you you all y'all want so like
y'all nigga know what y'all did to me? Bro, I
didn't come fucking with y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
Nigga.

Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
I'm getting a haircut, I'm leaving. I don't fuck with nobody.
Y'all come do this to me. Not only do that,
but sitting Sudney Wolf tickets, what y'all gonna do? Put
the ad basketball player, nigga, we're gonna rob We're gonna
extort you. And then when something happened and we hate
again it's not right, we hate that that happened. But
now it's like, oh, I'm gonna put this out. Oh

(02:02:29):
I'm gonna like this and post.

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
This, and again I'm not I'm not bringing this up
to send shots to him, you know what I mean.
I don't get caught up in that, even though guess what,
that was my man and he was your man to
I talked to his mama, off, I talked to his brother.
These my people, but we know each other.

Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
Two.

Speaker 4 (02:02:48):
I don't take I don't. I don't get caught up
in that. But it's like, bro, it's a lot of
bullshit that don happened in these streets. It's a lot
of bullshit. And certain niggas kept winning and kept coming
out on talk even with the fucker that they had
going on, So like, stay silent, why do that? Why
put that out?

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
You know what I mean? Like I give what you're
saying here, I give what you're saying. I ain't telling
y'all niggas. I didn't point out the nigga that robbed me.
I ain't gonna put that on the internet. I didn't
do that. You can't pull that up on me. I
didn't tell on boot. I didn't you Javar's Cristinson ain't
even have got done interrogation room telling on nobody. Nobody.

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
I done got pulled into cases in La that ain't
got nothing to do with, absolutely nothing to do with me.
Nobody never told on nobody.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
Y'all.

Speaker 4 (02:03:42):
Y'all came and did something to me, and I was
minding my business, not fucking with no, not withish your
harm on nobody. And then it's ah, he a bad
niggas on the news, nigga making state man. If I
let you hear the goddamn I had one hundred and
I had one hundred and some witnesses against me. Not
the nigga that that that played basketball. There one in

(02:04:02):
the streets like that there was around it, but one
in the streets like all these street niggas. All y'all
got there and want me to follow and tell it
on me. And oh way, we're going to the video
and audio. Oh my goodness, man, let me.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Hear all that ship Part two on the way, let
me hear that they need. Let me do my homework
and we come back. Man, No, Bro on g ship.
Those environment helping you out. Bro, happy that you're in
the different minds. Have you able to unpack some of
this ship? But I know it's a lot more of
this ship, So we gotta do a part too soon.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
When the book, when stuff finished working on the book
and start working on the book. So we discussed the book, Bro,
and I wish you never prospered in longevity.

Speaker 4 (02:04:39):
Bro, thank you for having me, Bro, thank you for
letting me unpack all this ship that I've been holding
in for so long. We gotta do me be myself
and and doing it the way were supposed to be done.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
Part two on Big Fat Man shot set it up.
We're gonna do part two on Big Fat with Jay
and the screen so they can get I appreciate you, Bro,
you looking good spirit talking about your spirit looking good.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Bro, I appreciate you. Bet Now, Hey, make sure y'all
go light to strive and come into the Big Fat Network,
but she cuts me out.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
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