From the Streets to the Pulpit: Roury Jones on Faith, Love & Redemption

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It gets no better than this. You are now in
tune to respect us with big bang bang, Let's get
straight to it.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The average person can slip up and do some legendary ship,
but to take a special nigga to be a legend
in facts. Welcome to perspective a bank today, I got
my potting in the building. Oh, g roy, what's going.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
On with my brother? Says to be blank. So it's
a blessing to be around your brothers.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Yes, sir, it is how you feeling, man, I'm alive, man, walking,
my limbs working.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
God woke me up.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll be able to talk to my mother and my
father every day. Man, the small things of life, And
I'm really blessed.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Brother. I ain't lying, not really shit where your mental
at right now?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm just getting better and being more disciplined than what
I'm supposed to be doing in life, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
That's about that where my mental at now.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
But the people that might not be familiar with you,
let them know where you're from, how you coming, or
where you're going.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yes, sir, well right now I've been born and raised
in Lanta, Georgia, across a hospital College, Georgia off Old
National And on the other end, I went to Bound
High School, loved ten Ola man in that middle school,
graduated from Morris Brown College, was blessed to pledge Alpha.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm also it was a school teacher coming out a
school man.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
And while I'm headed right now, God got me in
the ministry and.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
He really called me upon it.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Years ago my pastor told me that God got something
really special for me when I were to give up
what he wanted me to do. And I was taking
my time with that, and so some occurred to me
about three years ago while almost lost my life, and
that was that was the signed there Like God. I said, hey, man,
I need you to come on the world for me.
You know done enough out there, so I need you
to just lean a little closer to me and I'm

(01:40):
a blessed and to do things that you need to do.
So that's why I met right now, Banking. It's just
a blessing to be alive. Man, healthy, man, forty five
years old, no counsel. You know my kids, my daughter,
my daughter Scott just graduated from Sandy Creek, was able
to witness that. And my niece when I met you,
graduated from Lanston hughes Man just allowing those young girls
to blossom and to see it happening. And you know

(02:02):
that's that's the only thing I can't really say, Bank,
you know what I mean. It's just it's a dream
every day to wake up really shit, you know what
I mean? Everything else extra.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Man, Listen, that ship don't really matter, man, if you
want really think about it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
When people was at the was at the graduation shop,
people walking in the wheelchairs and getting wheeled in there.
We walked down there our own two feet in our
own wheel man, and so we were really blessed.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, let me ask you some what inspired you
want to be a school teacher?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
And begin it was a brother man named Coach Gosa
and Uh at Bounaga High School.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
He never quit on it, man. And it was in
these classes.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Uh one of the two classes I was in called
baby disorder classes.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So you know them the kids that were talking too much.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Anytime you got two kids in class two teaching class
than me, somebody in there, especially being.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Straight up with you.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
And so I was in one of those baby disorder
classes because like they would talk all the time, teacher
be talking. You'd be disruptive. So and it was a coach.
He was like, man, you're better than that. Like, come,
I need you to focus up. If you can remember
football plays and be listening when I'm talking, you can
do that in the classroom. And so he just never
quit on me, man. And I wanted to be like him.
I mean, got a father with My dad worked at
the General Motors for thirty years and he had made

(03:12):
a good living. But that's not my living that I
wanted to go down. And I just saw called Ghosa
man and he believed in kids. Man, He believed in
young people. And that's what made me kind of gravitate
to doing that. To be honest with you. So you
played little football too, right, that's what we went to school,
all the girls in class. Yeah, Morris Brown. I started
as a freshman. I came in from Bannakar and I

(03:34):
started at Marris Brown for four years and I was
capting my junior senior year and it was a blessing
to play with some guys. And right now we still
get together at Marris Brown. I know that we're coming
back now. You know when I was there, it was
back in nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine when they shot
the movie in two thousand drum line and it was
just epic to be in black college man. And I
tell a lot of people, if it weren't for for

(03:55):
Marris Brown give me then opportunity to go to school,
I don't think i'd be one I met right now.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Do you think by you being the captain that push
you into it like a an automatically seal the dead,
that you're a leader?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
God sustained that from me a long time ago, because
when you're a leader of men, it just like you
in your line of work. Bank from watching you when
I was young, even though when I talk to you
were at the same age, but just watching you from afar.
It takes special men to lead other men, and God
don't give that trait to everybody. You know, some people
can be sergeant, some people can be captaining, but it's

(04:29):
only one general. And when you become that general, that
means a lot of people listen to you and believe
in trusting what you're gonna do because you show through
actions what you're made of. And so the same thing
with you with your recular thing that you do things
that I've learned from being a younger brother that they're
gonna listen to the leader. If you you show by
example and lead by example, people don't want to follow you.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Fact. So that's that's how life is now.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm facts right now. So so what led you to
the ministry? You say, what led you to diminstr.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Uh, that's a long story. You got time. Shit.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
So about three years ago, I was going through divorce,
been divorced, been marrying, divorce, and so I was going
through a voice, living in Griffin, George, and so during
that time I really wasn't living right, you know, doing
things they were supposed to be doing. Still praying, still
trying to go to church. But when I went to church,
I put on the camouflage. You know, I'm not really
giving God the praise. I'm putting on the camouflaged coat
to go in there, praise, Hey Lord, thank you, thank you.

(05:22):
But I'm not really giving him the praise. And so
during that time, I was being a hope, you know.
And you can't play with women hard like that. So
I would sleep one night. You're probably gonna laugh at
the story, Come and give it to you, truthfully and honest.
And so I was living out there one night and
I had a female in the bed, and so we
was living and were doing our thing. And so I
was laying in the bed when it sounded like somebody

(05:43):
was at the door, and I'm like, I know, ain't
nobody at the goddamn dough. So I go to the door.
I opened the door. It's engulfed in flames. It's in
golfed in flames. So the girl in the back, I
go say, hey, baby, you got to get up. You
got to get up. She's like, what's going on? The
house is on fire.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I can't make this story up.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
So the windows and you know in the project home,
you know they're not so big. But I didn't know
there was a project. But coming from College Park, Georgia,
Griffin projects are not our project. That's like almost like
living in all flat showed somewhere in the apartments, And
so I end up having to throw the young lady
out of the window.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
True store.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Then I only had about thirteen thousands of my name
bank going through the divorce. Because you know, you're divorced.
If any man know about losing anything, God's gonna take
you and treat you like a Gerbil. If you ever
seen the Gerbil in the in the cage. He just
the droplets, but he's still alive. But the drops only
every blue moon when he get a drop, just keep
him alive. And so that's what God was doing with me.
And so end up throwing a young girl out the window.

(06:38):
So I end up having to go back jump over
the bed. I got thirteen thousand someone they ain't jump
back over the bed. So the window is so small.
I had to kick the window out, blood running down
my leg. Ended up having a jump out the window
that during that time I had a new replacement, so
somebody who did had no need replacement, so said the
story going on, I ended up falling out the window bank.
So when I fall out the window, my Louis bag
I left out there.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I left. I left after that.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
All I had was in my in my Louis bag
with my pistol, phone and my keys. That then had
to be m W six. I fall out the window bank,
I'm like, oh, So the girl run over hysterically. She's
crying and going crazy. So I said, day, I want
my car. When we're doing my car, I'm gona go
around and get my car. So I run around to
the back to get my car. They got a damn
call on fly lord have mrsed. I'm like, da, what's
going on? So Boom I I called. We called now

(07:20):
one one by then, but now one one has to
be released from here to the library brother, maybe to
the corner. It takes them two hours to get there.
So we're watching my stuff burned down.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Watching. I'm just like God, like, why what's going on?
Like I know, I.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Ain't trying what's going on the whole time, I'm thinking
we had a grease five. I'm not thinking somebody was
saying to you know, try to do harm to me mail.
But my next door neighbor he had the ring camera
on the door, and so the police in the beginning,
So long story is short.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
While my house is.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Burning down, my brother comes up from the fire department
and he takes off his helmet and it's my pastor's son,
Revenue and son. So we're sitting there. He said, man,
I ain't notice with your stuff. I ain't know what's
going on. So Boom were watching my house burn down.
So that's why when you read the Bible, in the

(08:05):
Book of Joe, when he takes everything from you and
he's gonna teach you the lesson from taking everything from you.
So like I was telling the young lady early when
when I was talking with her, when that took place,
God just was like, listen. I was already studying the
words tryna, but I was pretending stood in here playing
with God. And when you play with God, those things happened.
And so once I did that and I didn't, he

(08:27):
didn't hear me my cry, my prayer until maybe two
weeks after that. Bank I was getting on Cascade and
something that trap of baseball. We was going to Open
Black Alabama, and I cried like a baby. You know
you cry you miss your friend, or your friend died,
or your brother died. You know, you cry a little bit.

(08:50):
But I didn't.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
I really cried out to him and really asked him
to not me of being bashment to my family and
my kids, my grandmother and my family. I just cried
snotting from Cascade to Open Black of Alabama. And ever
since then there's been Joe days.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, it's dope, so so so. You was raised in
the church church. Yes, that's a deacon. I found in
the faith in the deacon all my life.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
My dad is seventy seven years old man, and you
have been raising the church. But because you're raising the church,
you're gonna do everything by.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
The book facts. Let me ask you something, are you so?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
What? What? What's the difference between spirituality and religion?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Break that down, Oh, spirituality and religion. Religion is like
a belief like Buddha. You got different religions, got different gods, but.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Not different gods. I think they all say one God.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah yeah, but it's like different religion, like you have Buddhism,
way too good, yeah, way too God. And that's what
the difference is when you break it down, the way
too God. That's in religions. But spirituality is is the
Holy Spirit that come upon you. Say back in the
days when used to be Peter, right, it was something
that took you from being Peter to who you are now.

(10:03):
That's that's the spirit talking to you. Because he talked
to you even when you go to do the wrong. Man,
that might be, but then the devil say, man, we're
gonna do this anyway. So it's a spirit that God
had you to give you a type of discernment, and
you just gotta figure out which one you want to
believe in. Because the devil gonna come the same way
like God I do. It's gonna show you some green.
I'm gonna show you everything little green on that side,
but it's really not for you. But God gonna give
you a little struggle to get to where you got

(10:25):
the gold. That's gonna be the difference.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Nah, I go for that.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I believe in God one hundred percent, but a lot
of that religion be kind of questionable.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, what's what's you thinking about it? What's your question?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm saying like, I just feel like me personally, I
just feel like them books have been remixed. You know
what I'm saying. It's just me personally. I know it's
gonna probably sound Egnor and people gonna be I don't
give a fuck how they feel, but I just feel like.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's so many questions.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
But I don't question God, but it's so many questions
about the books, any book that I've ever tried to read.
When to come down to religion, and then it's like,
then against these pastles, but y'all getting paid.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah some of them do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They getting
paid like good money. So basically you're entertainer to me, Okay, yeah,
I can get that I can get that.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know what I'm saying, you're entertainer, like I can
say this same ship in a different way where the
young niggas can get it without getting paid and just
being regular, like I look at everybody as as ministers.
Like it could be a dude that don't have a church,
but he can give a word to a nigga but
not come out of Bible because he believed in God

(11:37):
or what his story was. His story could be like
a book out of the Bible and it is you
see what I'm saying. It is so I feel like
and this ain't blaspheming or nothing. I just feel like
they put a bunch of stories together that makes sense
and said that God said.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
But as you look at your life and you go
get two three people out that Bible. Right now, we
see the analyz big Bank, the lists, dear big bank.
If you look in the Bible, the King David had
a best friend had it back from dicking thing.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
King David, for sure, that's your Jonathan No for sure?
Right yeah, all.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Right, so let's move on men, even though they goot
men man like Kevin Sammy said, I just got fifteen
minutes to blow I might hit the girl over here,
or they brought that been jigging me. But she was
in the Bible. She had to be black. David jumped on,
or what's up baby, what's happening? Because guess what, he
wasn't getting what he wanted at home. It's just like
real life. When I come on to my wife, she's
not hey baby, how your day was? Or be interested

(12:41):
in what I got going on the side? Broad is
hey baby, how your day were? How the podcast?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
How everything on? You tell your girls come at work.
I'll call you when I get through. But she makes
you feel different. David and the Bible. She made me
feel a little different because my wife didn't see me
as a king. But my side boodoo my name, but
she for sure it's in the Bible. You haven't lost
a lot, right, for sure, you lost ten times to
ten to ten, even back in the day when you
do things that people don't even know that would bank

(13:06):
be think, but you lost again with God done. Look now,
look we done did in your life that Joe sure
took away your friends. But you think about it.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
No, I'm not saying it don't resonate.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Right, but some of that, some of that ship do
be kind of questioning like that don't really make sense.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Who know what I'm saying is who? Who know this? Though?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know what I'm saying, Like what I'm trying to
say is like who can really sit down verify these
stories came from God? Right now, there's some great story,
but we I don't read books that were great books.
You get what I'm saying and adds up to the
same thing, like I get the same thing from it,
like I hear like I hear, like, what's.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
The dude name who I been listening to every morning?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Eric e T And said called him out, how you know,
listen what it saw it on my TV at the.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
No, sir, to condition your mind to TV, ain't on
this cold woman. To condition your mind, you have to
listen to the condition your mind. Man, you got to
listen to them kind of people you wake up in
the morning. You want to hear those things.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
One thing he.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Said that you probably don't e T that say, listen,
we got to have a small goal. You trying to
focus on the big colossal goal when you ain't even
getting this small goal in your accompanies yep, and when
you it's the mind conditioning bank.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
But you know that why that can't be. Why that
shit he's saying it ain't in about because guess what
it is? Different times et is now.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
So back when our grandma was were coming up and
they grandma were coming up, then you gotta go back to.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
The slave time. But so they had to give us
something to believe in.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Okay, But I'm saying, okay, but we came over here.
We were spiritual, right, we came over here, we were
spiritual our people. They took that stripped us of that.
So if let me let me ask you this, if
they stripped up of what we knew right, what was
getting us through? What we knew what made us strong?
Right to give us something else? How we feel like

(15:00):
that shit ain't been remixed?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
How the fuck?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
How the fuck the motherfucker put up through hell donna
give us how to get to heaven?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Fact that don't even make sense?

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But do we know in the
ancient times in Africa, if we go to the diaspora
right now, then we have those things. What was our gods?
What was that who was praising too? What was our
spiritual god we.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Were praying to God? But I'm saying it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I'm not saying that what they're saying is all the
way wrong. I'm saying what they have did. They probably
went in there and got those stories and remix them
what put their people in place to make it seem as.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
If though their people were grander than ours. Yes, bro,
you get what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I ain't saying that this ship fake. I'm just saying
it's remixed. Yeah, it might be too, because some of
the stuff you even read, like logically be like how
that don't add up? And this happened, and so I.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Just look at it, right, if you look at people lives,
it's kind of like, go coincide with it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
And that's what made me leave some of the things
in there.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
A factual because you think, I'm telling you even when
you pray, like even things, you gonna change the things
that you're doing to bliss. It's like in the Bible,
you you got ten or I don't believe in that
ten percent. Now know people say, hey, you gonta donate
ten He's in the Bible. Tem percent could be a
dollar whatever your heart desired to give. I don't mean
you come in there like they were showing a clip
locked the door. Who. Now, I can't tell you a lot though.

(16:25):
Now with you here, it's gonna be a problem. You
know what I'm saying, A lot of no who you
see what I'm saying, But you can't do that. You
knowe what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Say.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
You might see those pastors and you look at church.
It be full of women. It be full of women.
It's few of us. But we're gonna cry to God
when it's time, when we f up, we gonna suck up.
We gonnaa add God.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
But do you think a nigga have to go to
church to be blessed? No? You can be hell through
how water be still getting blessed. You know what I'm saying.
Do you think a nigga have to go to church
to live righteous? Noig gotta pray. But guess what God say.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
You got to come sometimes matter be mother day, it
may be Easter, it may be criminal, but you can
high because you gotta let me all the time.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
But I'm saying, how, how what's the difference in me
to have my own relationship with God and going through
another nigga to talk to God?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Right? So it's church.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Fuck, I'm pulling up, putting up, putting my clothes on.
I gotta spend money. It costs some money. Come my
side with gas and a cup. Look nice, coming in, motherfucker,
and pay you to get the God. So I need
a middle man to get the God.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
With God for all of us. No, you don't need
no middle man. So so you use the church as this,
use the church as as like a cleaning for for once.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Let me just go here and like like you like
we just some people have to listen to you like
the top five powercast in the country. So people have
let me listen cold. Yeah, man, listen you wan of
the ones to the street. This ain't this ain't no
as kids and contents.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Appreciate that ain't never heard. Like we're gonna get We're
gonna get into listen, We're gonna get into the ass.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
It goes on because you gotta think I would listen
to and Panadora play something crazy ship you can type.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
You tell your name, man, I think you made a
solid man with candy trash.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
You know what I'm saying. But listen to it now,
how you done got better over the years. You know
what I'm saying, So you're like the gonna see what
this man got to say. Let me let me hear
what the pastor gotten say. Let me see, Kenny were
like you got you got dollar, you know what I mean?
Checking the pivot and that girl and I'm like, what

(18:20):
we were.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Young, it was gone, he was gone. You were going.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
But like I was telling her, He's like, you're the
master p of Atlanta, like, and we're gonna get into
that bank. But the religious thing, man is, when you
were younger, your grandmama took you the church, right, Yeah,
grandma took you to church. So that way you got
a little sense you went astray. But God kept in
handing on he because your grandmama was ruder you probably
were younger, and he's being church all day.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
But let me say this, I get what you saying.
But what I'm saying, you have to take you the
middle man to get the God.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
And in the church when the pastor, the pastor of
the church, me and my grandma going to the pastor
end up agetting locked up for fuck with little girls
in the church. Right, So you get what I'm saying.
So that ship break kind of break your faith in people.
Not in God, not to God.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
But guess what my grandmama always told me, he's still
a man. So why the fuck am I going to
this nigga to talk to God? I don't understand this, bro.
You know, you know, you know you're not going to
him taking to me. I'm not going to the church. Fun.
I guess you're right to hear this, nigga.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You're right about tiling going to this nigga, My offering
going to this nigga.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
So when I see him pull up, like damn, Joe
blow got car, Joe Bloke got did going on.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
So we're playing for all this.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But I feel like your tithing is what you make it.
Your tiling can be given to the poor, given to
the Hongry, given to people giving like that's still giving
out account of your heart. What the fuck have I
got to give it to a church for for a nigga,
go buy our plane?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
So my thing is when when when you get to
a certain level, it takes you there. Right, if you
go back and look at the old school TD Jakes Nigga,
Old Jakes old ninety nine, Jakes oh at ninety eight,
j Oh eighty five, j he ain't got that going
on that suit camera kng that coop saying d n K.
You know what I'm saying, he grind out the mud
him and their wife were driving here there into But

(20:06):
it comes with hierarchy that God gives everybody. And that's
what I said. But you still just hear me. I
know you, I know you're gonna feel your way back.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Go ahead to see the ship.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
When he's on there with Punt Puffy Cone, it kind
of makes it believable, like why the hell you going
up there even talking to Puffy so for up and
so on. Like I'm from I'm from Old National rufflow
dollars been all my life. I ain't gave ushit. Excuse me,
ain't gave nothing on Old National Park. It just hit
a little small community right there has grew because you
used to be a kmart right there.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
If you remember back in there, it was Katemark right now.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
So I'm from here, you know what I mean. So
old that right there across the street from her, he
never gave up nothing. And my church room owned that
that Taylor shop right there as it from she.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
She told him, you gotta give me two men you
got it because he wanted to buy the land.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, but you got it. Don't give me two mini
and not moving to then we won't see this house
right here. But they come to a certain level where
even when they say they said, if you're from here,
you know they said Cryflo had the bricks back then
running them through the trucks.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Right. So you look at this.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Pastor human, right, so he gonna have his flaws, he
don't have his things. People gotta stop thinking that Pastor's
coming up from the heavin when we're really coming up
from hell to now.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
You know, ain't know, not gonna say I ain't gonna
have a drink, not gonna say that.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
And I'm not gonna hear the joint of here and
there all blunt, you know what I mean, because you're human.
But it's certain levels that brothers got to stop in.
And I can understand what you're saying cause you got
me in. You called me in the cross fire right here.
Because I shouldn't talk to the middle man to get
the god like a hustle.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I ain't gotta talk to your pion, dude that's at
the corner on here. I'm trying to skip the money,
spending the money he got to do. What the fuck
am I talking to you for the far right? I'm
talking to you. You don't add two three four on it.
When I get to him and out of oh man,
look at look at what going on. I think the
true people.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think the people with the true callings from God
to be to preach the ministry.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
They do it without without a church.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I don't even talking about nobody, right, somebody had on here, right,
God teach you by playing with them.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
You sitting down a long time. I'm not gonna be
playing with God somebody I had on him? Yeah, I don't.
But you know you have somebody down there with all
this going on in front of everybody. God gonna don't
play with me? Boy? You playing with me? Boy? You
playing with me? Boy?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
You said like like like like you to ba bag
it bank.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
But I crawled the line. You know why you tripp it?
Why you don't want that. I'm trying And I learned that.
I learned that. I learned that.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
But my butther day they on burn line, Yeah right,
noa that they taught me taught me, taught me home
MEDICID coach.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
You ain't got no business in the kitchen, Coach, ain't
nothing there for you. You don't want to blow to We'll
make sure you's great. Coat start the kitchen. You the
odd ball in the house. So somehow we're gonna blame you.
But you see what I'm saying. Yeah, because you know
top nigga.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
But yet with them, your nigga do now they all
to see what back, knowing what's going on, what's.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Happening, then you top of your head all sudden like that.
Not now I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now, nigga, be one of the niggas to meet me
and my stay, cause I don't go to the niggas
spot cause I leave out some help. I had to
do it my first time coming over, and I leave
out some help I had.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
If I sit over here at Jo's house and you
give me a little blunly too, I sit down and relate.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I don't go nowhere near in there. Some come up
half to go there and say it one coach, it
ain't in there exactly because my dad they always told me. Listen, Coach,
I love you, man, but you don't want to see
a street nigga turned the other way.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Coach, I promise you.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
I love you don't want to see that and that
and I looked in his eyes. That taught me and
I was young man, it's a coach.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
You can kick if you like it. We like your
school niggas. Younna play football case. We like to give
you a good nigga. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
But young people don't understand that. It's etiquette. It's called
it's called different thingsiquette. It's etiquette, you know people, and
people don't get that it's etiquette. He's telling you what's
going on. You see what they're doing. And sometimes young
folks in this day and age, that what a youth for.
It is now at all time high kill each other
crashing out how they want to be the big ball man.
Not the big ball man. It's is a long time

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to be the ball right here. Man, it's a long time.
It just didn't happen overnight. It's a loss.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's still happening. Come on, man, I don't finished. Stick
to this. Come on, I gotta stick. I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
No, I'm trying to God now crack the cold brother
like things like this, Bro, I just want to know,
like I want you to tell me something to make
me get it, Like do you think every pastor is
called or some of these niggas just see a way
to get some money.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Some of them, some of them see the way to
get some money. Because guess what if you if you
listen to them right, How can't you tell me about
going to jail or having a pistol charge? You ain't
never been there, bro, How can you tell me that?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
How can't you tell me where that you go to
a job right now and you got locked up for
a three, five or eight grams ten years ago, and
you still got to explain that to that person to
get that job.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
But I got two degrees right here. They still gonna
have about that. We tell me that, don't tell me
about hole you were living.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
In the home. I can't check your background, see you
living on homeless home? I got.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
So it's a it's about being real and you can
you can hear it and you can decipher from it
from the rest of him. You know what I'm saying.
And you just have to make that decision. And God
gonna give you that. I saw all I can said, Vizumin,
because it's a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of
guys just real, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
And but you know they say, they say another thing, repentance.
They say you can God forgives everything right in the
Bible and say like all you do is repent, so
you can be a fuck.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Nigga all your life and then on your dying bed repent.
Is you going to heaven? No, you donna, you can't
repent that the last hour of an hour. You know
what I'm saying, it's an inspiration date on it. Yeah,
you gotta come talk to my little earth. They can't
talk Tom up and call you now. Now you want me,
now you need me. But what it didn't God is forgiving.
God like that what the Bible say, right.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
So okay, I'm your nephews, rent, do you lie further?
I'm telling you now, unh might be a little shot,
and you give me five hundred. It's sixty days ahead.
You prepared to help me from sixty days nine rows.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think at the end of the day me, I
look at it different, cause cety day, bro, you're gonna
make some hempful six day.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, we get what you're gonna tell your nephew. And
they take I've got this going on. I paid this on.
I might just be shocked by this. I'm sure everything sody.
You never know God, but pray on your side.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
But you called me the day of like they're about
to put my shit out. O G. That's different. I'm
gonna fuck with because it's serious now.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, but so now you're gonna hail let me now
on the way out the door. So you hail him
on the way out the dough God, You're like, you
came down here, keep them with up. He came down
here to see how nigga move. That why he can't rust.
So you gotta look and.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Think, you know Jesus, Jesus, I'm talking about one. He
came down him.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
He came to see how we move, how nigga grew,
how nigga moved, how females do. That's why he ended
up doing what he were doing. So Jesus is God, Yeah,
his father, and you got Jesus. So I've never seen
or heard about God. You just hear he's God, is Jesus.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
But how many niggas, how many niggas like this is
not blessed female? Again, I say, how many special niggas
we've seen that could be like Jesus. She's a copless
a couple of I'm just regular people, but they just
ain't in the Bible, right.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Because guess what, I got a friend that's in Texas,
Big a. He come in to crosho and play with him.
And Mars Brown, he a real nigga. He gonna bring
you with him to like God, he gonna bring you
with it. Opportunity, man is what what? What's the difference?
And so when you pray big Bank or the people
that you know, or you think about the things that
you are transpired in your life. So who you think

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got you through something?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
God?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
But I ain't gonna say I ain't about all the
all the ship in between God. Like I'm trying to
figure out, like why there's so many buffers because.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
You gonna see your endurance huh endurance when you start
when you was heavier, Yeah, it was kind of hard
for you to run. Yeah, your endurance one high. So
it's in the Bible. What can you endure? He's gonna
give you something to do it take you through it.
Life is a life lesson. So you got to go
through something to get what you got to get. You
had to go through these little small bumps and cruises.
Then it was crude for me, like I'm making it.

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We got that going on the money coming to move
on there. But then it was a it was a
speed bump, It was a it was a role. There
was a track.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know what I'm saying, Like if God, if I
can just trace straight to God, I gotta talk.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
To Jesus first. You got me on that one on
top of God, like hold.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
On, hold on, before you know Jesus, Jesus came because
he went onto the mountain to prace.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know what I'm saying, before we ever heard about Jesus,
Like you know, they ain't bout they say, b c
before Christ? Right, Okay, So how we were getting to
God before Christ?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
How we was getting to God? The people getting to
God before Christ? Who were they? How was they praying
to God? I guess what would be the same way.
I guess I dig into that one. You got me
on the bank, You got me on that because I
got I be reading.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I'm trying to figure out myself because se you praying
to God, you know what I mean? And so I
guess God said, and it's Andy and he brought He
brought God Jesus down through through human form. Is I
want to say when I'm studying, So I guess he
can get a better, better, better grasp of other people
that he created.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
So he's here, got made as system.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
You can treat like cat, get the bank, get the
coordiney you can't.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
But I gave you my number. You could have called
me just what she just handled the business.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
But that's how God is. Sometimes you will direct the
line to him, but God, he's still that. She's still there.
God is still there. He's still here. Ain't gonna say, oh,
how let my son for you talk to me? You
know what I'm saying, But that what the Bible saying.
It's like you're talking to both of them. I look
at it like that, but because.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Who the blessings come from both of them? Okay, I'm
just asking like.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
This, I look at it. It's different. I look at
it like Frank Lucas and uh on the movie with
his at Washington. Yes, yes, I'm here. What you're saying, Hey, Bumma,
what's your think? You know he gonna did this and
did that. But he's a good person. So it's like
a lawyer going to the judge. And that's how I
look at it. So he's your lawyer. He's the one gonna.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Take your your God got two bis and then brought Christ.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
No, he got two bus he got. Christ's my right
hand man. He's my he's my right hand man. He's
my son. So I'm saying over everything, but he's like
my lawyer. He come to you, You the judge, You,
the judge of every all kind. God is my lawyer.
So I done did this even right? So he come
to the courtroom to come to judgement. Days like coming
to the court room.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
So he gonna validate. So Jesus gonna validate you. Yes,
sir God, he did this. But he came back and
helped and helped down the road these people away from him.
We took that, We took a friend from him. We
took this man from him. Forget what he still did.
He still cried out and prayed to you and asked
you for forgiveness. So why why do you why do

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you think we got Why do you think in us
temptation is in us?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
As people? Like, why why do you think that's implemented?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, flesh, since Sam it goes back to the Bible,
like we're talking about Eny David, My flesh is gonna
be because the devil know what you like. He knew
exactly what big Bank like, how he liked it, when
he wanted, how he want to get it done. So
you're presented to you. He's gonna present it to you.
God can presented to you a different way. You're gonna
bring to you from even if you pick your wife right,

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when you pick your wife right, because you always talk
about how you high on your wife.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
When I hear you, I'm talking.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
So it was others that the devil sent to you.
But they want compassionate, they want to love him, They
want to listening the talking more.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
What because they had good sex, They had good sick,
good head, good pussy.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
So you put up with a little a love that.
But with your wife, she came with a whole, total package.
It may not be everything you wanted, but with the
most sustained things you want. It's like Kate, if we
give a cake, we make a cake right now, we
don't want eat all the icing. We want more of
the cake. You ain't want to see me with all
that iceing. Yeah, he gave you more substance with her.
See the other one was iceing red That look good

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now you bite it to that ship the heart, they
take it up, but that ain't what it was. So
God gave you what you what you what you need.
You know, people got to understand and give you what
you need, not what you want.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I agree with that. I agree with that one hundred percent.
Like I said, you can't pray for strengthen it and on.
I don't feel like you're gonna go through that and
get it tested. I agree without I agree one hundred
percent with God, like I wouldn't be here without him,
Like like, ain't nowhere in the fuck right that ain't
a God.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Like we can can that.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
But what I'm trying to say is how the hell
I'm gonna believe even Crockers. See, that's the only thing
that throw me off, right cause bro, we were dogs
to them. Yeah, So how the fuck I'm gonna believe anything?
Like in the court of law, right, once you raise
a reasonable doubt, the case get thrown out out right.

(32:35):
So you can't tell me you ain't read that Bible
and studied this and had a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, some things you'd be like, So how you believe
in of it? Because that's just like if that's just
like that's just like if you the niggas.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's just like if you find in your wife phone,
if you find a dick picture, you ain't gonna believe
if she says she ain't sucking bitch, what is doing
in your phone?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Have any nigga se you the phone? What? What? What
was y'all talking about to sing? You see you that?
Why would you have me? Then she ain't gonna be
able to convince you nothing else? Right, guess what? So
I read the books and the stories in the Bible,
and I think about my life.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Right, yeah, it's in there. It may not be line
for line, verbatim for Birbab that told them. You can
read other books. It ain't want to be the Bible. It
can be other books.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
You can. You can.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You can go read a nigga. You go read a
book because we all been here before. You gonna read
a book with a nigga tell your whole life. That means,
that means you're gonna believe in him.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
No, but some of that ship be like some of it.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
I ain't do all that, and the blessing ain't come
like that. That ship right there, that coming you know
what I mean? You know what I mean that that
hurt that you ain't lost, that you feel like that.
You know what I'm saying, that that's not that's told you.
You can hear what he's saying. But when I can
really look and see the relatabilityy to my life to
what's in that black and white book, even though the
white man might have had what they had to say

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about it, they gonna have what they had to say
about We don't always believe that in education, the black books.
And that's why I went to black college, because they
teach you about black historic history for sure, what I'm saying.
So that's what you're getting now. We always say that
you go to college, I go to school. So you
go to college at Georgia, but you go to school
and Folk Valley more Brown all be in the state,
stuff like that. And so you just got to really

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dig deep and look at yourself, man, and you can't
tell me, and you can say you have your opinions,
and banks say, well, damn, I look, damn shit, I
don't God damn I'd have did this.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I did that, But look we done brought me from
somebody had to bring my black ass. God.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I'm not questioning that, no question. But what I'm saying
is what I'm saying is and mean to cut you out,
but I gotta say this because why I'm ahead. What
I'm saying is, you know, like every special Christianity they
feel like everybody, Yeah, no other religion like that, ain't
no other way to get to God but Jesusus. So
how so all these other folks ain't blessed. They still

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getting the God too. We're doing all these Buddhism and
all these other religions just whatever other.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Religion, They're still praying to God. Thank you. That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
So I feel like god religion is to divide us
if we all just believe in God. Ain't no books,
ain't a way to study, just pray to God, whatever language.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
But I'm just only use one right side of your brain.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I think the books is just whoever can tell the
best story that resonate. Whichever one you read first, that's
the one you're gonna believe in. You if you if
you was a Catholic, if you read the Catholic shit first,
that's what you'll be believing in.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Then No, but my life gonna kind of like line
up with that.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Like I read something that's in with the Muslim book
we read, the read the Koran, Koran and the hold
of Koran. It says this, but then it says a
little something what the Bible says.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
It's all saying the same thing.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
That's what I'm saying. So I treat God. It's like
my lawyer to talk to Jesus. I mean to talk
to God because somebody you have to pray to you.
So you're praying to Jesus, love and the Father help
me do this. And the other third, he's hearing you,
so he's able to go to his father say hey, listen,
your John with the benefit of die man you've been trying.
He's doing this, he's doing that. We don't see what
he does and do the best what we give him.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Didn't nobody pass away in your family that was close
to you, like grandma or something like okay, so just
imagine this. She in heaven too, right right next to God.
You think, who you think all these niggas asking Jesus.
If you ask your grandma, do you think she gonna
beat God door.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Down for you? She got did.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
But niggas don't come to God until they fuck up,
until they mess up and they ask God for the
same fuck up. They did give you a example right
min tomorrow Brown boy, probably ain't you no rubble back then, nigga,
don't you know rubbing that?

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Nigga? Think they Jake Steve or somebody. You know what
I'm saying. So you deed on raw and rall and right.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
But every time you say, Lord, I ain't gonna do
it no more. God, ain't gonna do my I go
to doctor. Lord, Please don't let me know what I say.
I have nothing, promise, ain't gonna do it no more.
Ain't ever time God that listen, you say that, But
you got somebody over here praying by counsel for their mother.
Some other are praying about trying to get the extra
limb or something of that nature. So it's like here
a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's how I treat it. That's how I look at it,
because it makes it make sense, like you have a
grandmother up there up there with day nothing.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
They're kicking a right now. They be playing being Ben
Wills and may playing bingo. Because that's what my mind
is it because of the blessing that he done.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Gave me and showed me. I agree, So you bang
that's why I look at it. No, I agree with
that total. I just you know what I'm saying. Like
I said, I don't want to sound eating or nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
And I know that probably sound, but it just it's
just I just your brain goes like that. Yeah, And
I feel like at the end of the day, I
can't believe nothing from a motherfucker who feel like I
ain't even human.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Right, even when past I do. When one pastor I
do like to listen to it is old Jamal Brian, Right.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I like to though.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, he he comes at you from the realist because
they failed, a lot of pastors don't want to tell
you they fail. A lot of pastors want to think
they just Hey, I'm the guy. I've been here, I've
been doing this and God and gave me all this sign.
No Jamal gonna tell you I cheated on my wife. Yeah,
I had children out of the way a lot. Yeah,
I'm trying to find out who can grow marijuana here

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in Georgia because I just talked to a young cat.
Young God got his attention about that. When I started
talking about the Bible. He was like, yeah, okay, pass
When I said, hey, do you know how can we
grow we here in Georgia. How can we get but
what the church doing? I just gravit. I just got
that young man attention off the marijuana because guess what
people gonna say, Oh, we smoked.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You don't need to do that. You don't do nothing.
Do that and be around a boy that smoking. But
what you mean?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
It's a lookative business. So if we get our mind
on the bigness and stop being opinionated, and that's what
we do. A lot of Christians opinionator of opinions because
they always think they're better than others.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
And when they go home they argue with.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Their husband, shoot on their husbands, drank looquor mike' snock
cocaine night gamble. We don't know you know what I mean?
When they put that camouflage on the coming to church,
that's what you see.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
So all that shit fake?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
So what the fuck I'm walking in the church for
hear everybody fake? The audience, the deacons, the mother boyd
she sucking dick too much?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Am I doing it? Here? Man? You own this goods
your environment.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
But everybody talking me about a look at look at
better sue of that dress? So everybody talk about it
this shit fake.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Right at to a point. It is to a point.
It is because guess what, I realized that too. Even
though I'm the youngest minister, right, and so my pastor
looks at me different. He gives me, like I guess
you'll say, like a token because I'm young and he
likes me a little bit more. And so the other
pastors don't like that, like they'll walk past me. He
be like something from south Side. But get what, God

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ain't gonna stop nothing, and God ain't gonna stopping. Then
he got going on. You know what I'm saying, that's
what you know. And I'm so blessed to be here, brother.
And when I was coming in, man, it's an old
church song man that says, uh, God has and he
smiled on me.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
He has set me free, God says my time. Man,
it was a blessing me to just.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Even be a you don't understand bank like who you are,
bro like and like to people regular people. And I
was playing that to one of your your your people
that work for you. I was like, man, do you
know who this brother is?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Like? Who you are? To see you from?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Give me an opportunity to be on bits scream like
I told you, God gave the opportunity. And I was
even right here in Atlanta. Man if we and Pimpsy
told us this ship you you you you your legend
there got Pepsy said, man, we put our heads together
and let these white fol know that we can get
their money and then they can do with us.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
So he had and gone and still be hating on
one another.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
If you look at the rap game right now, if
we put a we put a mixing bowl together, me
and you get a bowl right.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Here from the South.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
We got Future, we got duck Tape, we got Outcast,
we got Pastor Troy, we got Sam and Sam, we
got we.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
We the list can go on now. We got that win.
Women shit going on. If we think about fifty cent,
the niggas ain't got none on us bank. You're like you,
I'm thinking that, like I'm talking to Master P like
I was telling them.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
It's like being on Barble Walter for sixty minutes, right,
and I'm so blessed to be here, so wet. I'm
just being straight up man, and and it's not that,
and that's how I am. And I give people that
the truth and vice versa. I gave you on. You
know certain brothers man like I saw a booster other
there in Walmart booster walking. They thought were gonna say
come to them. I said, we're a celebrity, niggaga. We're

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in the crowd to you because you in the line,
We're gonna let you ring your damn grocery and we're
gonna ring ours up to you. See what I'm saying
while a lot of people come here because we don't.
That's us, We nigga, who are you? We're gonna kick
it where we're from. But right now we look at
fifty cent right he got those star TVs. Why we
can't do that right here in the South, we can't.
I guess what we got? Tyler Perry up the street

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and I told her I was praying to gud and said,
I won't tell you. If we come up with a
TV show called the South, We're gonna write true stories.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Got to figure out who the actors to beat these guys.
We can write true stories and come up with our
own ship. Right here that all teed ass up. It's easy.
It's easy right here.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
You right here, the future right here, people writing and
already know t they right here put that bullshit to.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
The side, like, well we beefing back, what were coming it?
Pride coming his money. Niggas, they got a lot of pride,
and yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Sometimes we have to guess what I think we are
nigg every brother sitting down at the table and really
put because it really.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Ain't nothing, you know what I mean, none of And
we can just tell the game bank.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
We tear the game up in the music you dominated
for the twenty years the list go on and on.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
While we can't do that. Why you can't be fifty
the South, while we can't come on, let's get it.
I can't wait to do it. I just gave you.
I did right that. See you can't that look it's
up in there. It just it just I'm scarred by niggas.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Man, they gonna do that bang. You know you've been there.
You're real. You're a real nigga. Man, You're a real
You're a real street nigga. I mentioned the name that
when I pulled up on you. Yeah, I said to Night, Yeah,
I'm from that side of oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I got a lot of guys where I came up from.
They do the cripping and all that Manifold grew up
in a two parent home like me, brother. But you'll
see him on the street. Oh but that big such say, cripping, cripping,
Who that nigga? Mam My daddy worked that God damn
the male company they ain't talking about.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
You went to school with me and playing theay sports.
You're not that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (42:57):
And then you go barking up the Boogetman tree, that
the real boogeyman. You'll see what You'll see what car
they come from? And down here in Atlanta, Georgia, you
go walking up the wrong damn Boogetman tree, You're gonna
really realize who the real Boogeyman is?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
What you think the biggest shift of the city is
from then? In now we're migrating down here.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Man.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Everybody ain't from here. They come from Chicago, they come
from Tennessee, they come from Florida. They think it's a joke.
And so the biggest thing is where's the Atlanta opportunity?
Where the black South? If you come to Atlanta back
then were coming up. You've seen Ben's this freak nick
nigga running around bus, big car, big rims, Vvs's Jeery

(43:38):
Eddie golds in their mouth. Now it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
They want to come down see how we got Joe
blow living, my bank got this, or how do they
got this? And how future got this? And how gun
I got this? Them folks just from right here. And
if you look at everything, think it's just done. Migrated
down here banking. They just think it's a game. You know,
it's the city flooding now, Florida's probat just went out.
Now building's going up they do up north and so

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it just it's just a panther of people down.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Have big damn So which way? What uh?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
What you think the worst thing about it is and
the best thing about it is the worst.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Thing about it is people coming down here. The gentrification
is different. Things are going up. When you can come
down here, maybe a couple of years ago you can
get your five five bedroom hounds funder five hundred thousand.
Now everything is high. You know, this is what the
difference is is the income. Even at my job, we
pay at least need it seventeen dollars. How they gonna

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how they's gonna function, and qualifications are even tash credit
property you have to have make forty eight forty five
thousand to be in the one bedroom.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's no money. That's almost exactly. So two person home
is fifty eight thousand home in sixty four thousand. So
you mean to tell me you're trying to take care
of three kids and you want to make sixty four
thousand dollars. It's gonna work. Hell now, this shit fuck?
So what's your what's your primary goal with your ministry?

(45:02):
Just to be real and get the opportunity to tell
the truth like I'm doing with you. He' gonna get
you to to sway or to your opinion. You know
what me, they't gonna sway you, but just to gut.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
You're gonna stand what the truth is and tell you
about my life and say, hey, has God did some
different things in your life? And that's all you do
is tell them, tell them nothing for sure. Because I've
been locked up, I ain't gonna tell you the truth.
I've been through certain things that I wanted then a
look like I come out of and other other people didn't.
You know what I mean? And so right now, tell
the truth. Shit, I got a pistol charge going through
fairfield ball. The pistol for my buddy that I played

(45:32):
football with the Morris Brown at the barbershop right there
next to miss.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Everything had it for years.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
I pulled over faed counter, told to patrol of my
gun license, pulled me out. He's like, man, no, the
gun stolen, soay, you know, gonna take you down. But
still God still supplied me a job.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
So when my fingerprint, I still got to explained to
them white folks why I got that pistol charge on them.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
But they still see two degrees. And so the only
thing that you can say in life is who's gonna
guide me to get that job to the income. It
ain't gonna be me, It's gonna be God. In fact,
somebody got to see better than me in prayers than
my grandmama pray. And so that's that's That's all thing
I can say. Bank, It's what God is going to
provide for you. Man, I don't have a lot of
a lot of who blo raw. I'm just going by

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all fact, what my eyes have.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Seen, what my ears have heard. No, I totally agree
with that, Like, it can't be nothing but God.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Bro the life I'm living the piece that I've obtained
man over these years. Man, in life, that I live, bro,
it can't be nothingody but God. But as I study,
because I'm a I'm a I'm a dissector your philosopher's Yeah,
I dissect everything. So it has ship has to and
I think that's a gift and the curse. Ship has

(46:38):
to make sense. When it don't make sense to me,
I just search for the answers. Like a lot of
the ship just don't make sense, like church to me
don't make sense.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Why you think it don't make sense?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Because, like I said, what the fuck am I going
to get my money to a nigga foruck when I
could just get it to the people that.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Need it, get the people that need it. You know
what I'm saying. But what But what am I benefit
of going into this church?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Listen to this man for two hours, three hours out
of my day, where I could have went and fed
two three four people down here missionary work at the restaurant,
gave them a couple of dollars and gone by my
busy and pray to God in the morning night and
pray with them, yes, and pray with them.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Help me understanding that, please? My understanding is it's just
me going to somebody business. You can look at it
that way, you look at it that way. I'm a customer.
I don't feel like I'm serving God in the church.
I feel like a customer.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Okay, So you want to stay foot in church, I will.
I have what I'm just saying, like a customer when
you go in there, like I'm paying somebody here to talk. Yeah,
it's a concert, right, but don't go into a concert.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
So it's an entertainment because at the end of the day,
he ain't God.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Right, so you might some people might go to worship,
meaning that the church songs a church song that you
might hear.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
You might, yeah, but it's different when you might hear.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
So if we go to the concert right now and
Jacke and Corby singing and we and we tell I
want to turn on ready, it's gonna be different.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
You're gonna feel a different spirit. So we're gonna go
back to the spirit.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
You can't say that because I know Ministress, I know you, okay,
I know you know people that spiritual, highly spirit We
can bring everybody, the monks turn ready up and and
worship our ass on fact.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
We ain't gotta go be no because we can create
our own right. Right. So I don't know if it's
just something about being raised in the church, getting up,
that's what it is. It's it's a routine. It's a routine.
Brou So you customer. Since I've been a chime, my
mama has trained me. Yes, like you told a dog,
like you just said, you looked at me. See he trained,

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don't you so like the white man? Thank you, bro.
I trained them to listen to this God. I trained
them the girl the church and pray. You breaking it down,
I ain't. That's that's what we're here to do.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
So you So that's when the slave master gave y'all
a couple of hours off on Sunday because y'all deal
with I need to do for six weeks, the bushes
waited up, the halls are tied, the pigs were slave.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
So, yeah, you gonna take Sunday before supper was done,
they gonna pray God.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And another thing they did, they trained us. They trained
us to hate each other, right, They trained us to
end each other. They trained us to tell on each other.
The hate started back when it was a house. Nigga
in the field, nigga. Yeah, we're gonna treat them better.
Therea treat them better. The big built nigg were Benn.
Fuck him show y'all, we're finna do emasculate him. You master,
we fina go ahead and make him a bitch, saying

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he's the tougher. Y'all think you the tough.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
We're gonna show, y'all pull a nigga apart with a horse.
How the fuck to put fear into you? To teach you?
If you define me just a whaf you can break
it down in a lot of different ways. I don't
understand that. So believe the nigga.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Believe go they wait me, goddamn go in these feels
and pray to God on my knees, God on these
on my own. I don't need to be a customer, right.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
And if you and and you can still migrate to
the church and still not pay your offer like you said, Okay,
but your time is more than money, right, So the
funeral of the church, you got to go to the
church for the funeral. I don't really go to from.
I went to my brother from.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I don't really go to from in general that the world. Yeah,
I'm my apartment going now, you know, I mean it's
not for funeral, person. Yeah, the last time I remember
my buddy doing this. I don't want to see my
buddy christ that like.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Exactly, I just because I don't know. I don't know
what it is about Fronds.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Okay, it's what and and and I can and I
can truly understand that because the feelins I've been to,
even the last one with my cousin, I didn't even
look at the cast.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I just looked down at the ground whole time. I
don't mean not to do that because that Carroll.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
So I'm not a big funeral person, but as I
you're ready to do some eulogies, I have to hear
to do those. And so ulogies is just about somehow
great the brother is, and you might find some kind
of story that's in the Bible that relates to how
good he is. Now you can have it in church
and you can also have it outside.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's just like even I'm glad you say the eulogy,
it's like booking a nigga for a show.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
The pastors ain't doing that usually without that back end. Here,
y'all got the money. Did y'all get the money yet? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
you serving God. It shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
About the money. Yeah, yeah, And that's what I've learned
from my dad. Right, He says a lot of people
don't want to talk about the business.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Aspect of God, the business aspect of religion, business aspect
of it, right, because the lights got to get cut on,
the water got to get paid, You got to be here, the.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Mice got to work, the money got to come from somewhere. Yeah, right,
So the pastor might be on a and this, and
it's what I'm learning. So I only been I've been
in the ministry where I've been Christian, I'm.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Life and going to church and I'm like, but getting
on the back end and seeing the business aspect of
it because I was just a guest speaker that I
saw you and against church and they paid me. I
don't want to expect it, but you ain't gonna get
back nah. Weekend, I told her, I think you'll need that,
you know me.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
To be a She wasn't expecting that. But once you
start getting it, you start expecting it.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Right. See, Now, when you're getting into it, once you're
starting knowing your work or they paying me, Yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. You're starting to expect it.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Then yeah, and then it turned into something else. It
turned into a business. It doesn't turn into changing lives.
Are still old school? Change your live?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Nah, that shit olver with bro.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Once that ship become a business, you start making money,
You're starting to keep up your lifestyle, and then what
it is then what I'm doing?

Speaker 4 (52:38):
So what if you just keep a regular lifestyle and
regular home and just you know what I mean, they
just still pay you, still man manner still to do
the same thing you do. Just stay wound me and
I ain't gonna buy a roll or so I'm just
paying my bills and needs the thing that I came with,
Like right now, he ain't have no members will in
my church, my pastor right we got small church. You
know what I'm saying. It's probably maybe with two thousand members,
maybe a little bit more than that. Maybe maybe it ain't.

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Might I might be, but yes, but we dout a lot.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
We be loaded.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
We be loaded by uh he will take you know
what I mean, Easter add two thousands. But he rides
and regular bends, you know. Revenue man always been being
that guy mayor manor shoot guy. But them the people
I listened to, and I tell you that person I
listen to you know what I mean, Like you listen
to EJ.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
They don't you know, they still getting paid each a
getting big money.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
But EJ ain't saying I'm doing that. J saying saying,
he just give a game.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Right, I can respect that. But even though he's still
giving a word though, right, That's that's how I am
with it.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
So I'm not looking the game. No money, I'm not
looking the game. No publicits out there, I'm not looking.
I'm looking to just tell the game of how God good,
how good, how good God is for me, and what
things He done took place in my life and the
people that I have known that He done took.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
From around here for the things that they have done.
And that's in the vible. One the folks start again.
You fied ten thousand dollars to pull up.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
You're gonna start feeling yourself like, hey man, you're gonna
get your booking agency.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
They're gonna start booking. You're gonna be plus around there. Motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Nona to you now for any success for a black man,
you are like that. I think you really because the
flesh and because it's gonna be like this here even
being on here, like I told God. I said, God,
it must be my time because he's gonna give your
time to shine. And and favor I ain't fair. Never
favor ain't fair.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yeah, so his favor was different, you know what I mean.
And it's gonna be different for every person that's gonna
come across.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
And that's and that's just what it's gonna be. It
ain't gonna be no different. Man, ain't gonna be no.
Oh well, I'm now a ten thousand dollar preacher. You're
a two million dollar preacher. It's what you're doing who
you are. But once you stuck.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
But once a nigga started getting that teen he's he's sinning, growing, growing,
this ship is growing. So now a nigga gonna want
that humble, No nigga want ten thousand members.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Like, Bro, you got niggas taking jets to three four
churches on Sundays. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, he nigga got four five congregations. They milking the game. Bro,
that's like goddamn Travis.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Scott something like that.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
The white their white passes out there and and in
Texas that time back in the eighties, the white guy
can't think his name, but he had like the mega church.
He was funneling the money through the church. He ended
up fundling them out of fourteen me. Yeah, yeah, cold man,
cold man.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
But I can't knock the game. I just can't be
a post. I just can't get for it, right, you
know what I'm saying. I'm just being one hunter man,
God Almighty is that he that he he him, and
you play with him, He's gonna exposure. You're gonna spank you.
But I don't need another nigga to talk for me.
I don't need you laying your hands on me, paying
upon them fake air, holy water on me. You talking

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about man, I can pray to God, my God, damn.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Between the little girl in the backroom and you come
out there and put it on my forehead and all
that and all that.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
You just said, it's crazy. It's crazy. Hey, So you
said you end up getting divorced. I'm gonna tell you
to be married. Just watch you one. Why why do
you get divorced? The true Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Didn't love hims are getting married. So it's like she's
putting the pressure on it. And I was coaching college
football at Fort Valley, and you gotta think she was.
She was making about like one thirty. You know what
I mean, I was making like thirty one thousand, coach football,
I'm what's selling on that?

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Like a bro? You know what I mean. I don't
really love. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep you
with us. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
See the bread, my weight, she bought me car, she
had me fresh. You know what I'm saying. They were
making on thirty eight thousand. So what you really do
on love? But just like when people women lead the
leader the husband after the kid be eighteen, I ain't
really love that. Niggas want to take care of my
cheer that if you know what I'm saying, that the
same thing I would.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Think, damn, so what job? She doesn't see this truth?
What's your relationship like? Now?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I got two kids from her. I take care of
my young boys recent rothsty. I take care of them.
They do what I need to do. Did you ever
get married again?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Yeah, yeah yeah, because guess what, God has seen you
that person exactly for you I'm talking about. You don't
have to beg you have to ask, You don't have
to get the confidence you give it to you. You
don't have to pray. She prayed for you. She prayed
with you like a little small ship. Women be gonna
understanding me. And we're small. We're not small as in statute,
but we take small gifts. If you send me fifty.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Dollars for lunch on a Friday, twenty dollars, thirty dollars
for a hackey. It was like, hey, baby, what I'm
saying in the sun eat Yeah, yeah, a female you
send up thirty dollars.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
She was like, what that f Yeah, we thankful for
the theft, but were grateful for anything.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
But that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Nigga do his ship with pride by your wife, my wife.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Boy man, apple watch, I don't want no other watch.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
You see what I'm saying, Rolex and all type of
ship won't want none of that.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
This this she thought about it. Yeah, you know what
I mean. And that's how it is.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
And when you're getting not told told, man, when you have,
when you when you when you find you once, you're
gonna be that you know from the South. So I
eat tomatoes in my collagreen, you onion. That's who she
gonna be for you. Yeah, that Corn Briggs. You know
what I'm saying. Up just just a catful. You see

(57:58):
what I'm saying, that's who she is for you. And
then when God bring you that one, you gonna know it.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
So so this is your first year, but that's my
third year, third year.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Appreciate. Okay, we're gonna talk about this in two more years.
You're gonna be big. It's gonna happen. Don't beat the
nigga licking the dose and ship folks.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Don't still gonna be the same man off calls for
old national man. Still be humble and just give back.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Man. Somebody help me. Man.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
That's what we gotta start doing because the young niggas
crashing out. You got to figure out something they can
do to listen to us, because you know we were
back there.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Was no richie. You know.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Now the gonna peel drain all kind of just drugs.
So the mind is never focused. You know we're coming up.
Ain't really see brothers kill females over by the broad thor.
I caught Bank, got a dickey and ship banks sh
I work at Walmart. What I spot to be mad
at him? But now they crashed out. The kid, a
female kid, both of them. The whole life room about

(58:48):
to puss and ship crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I vowed I never go out bad neither man ever.
Don't give it, Damn I don't.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I caught my girlfriend she when I was in Barby
Bride right, so my buddy was like, I call the
girl who was that? My buddy be burning out chilling.
I say, I say, where are you at? Uh cher?
Where you at? She was like, h right now, I
don't feel like theying bossed. I just call you back
with my homegirl. Huh, you just told me we're going
to the movies.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
What she was like, I just call you back. I said,
hold on some my buddies and they laught. So she
just told you she don't want to talk to you
for the rest of the night. Oh boy, she gets
a dicken or night. I'm like, boy, get the hell
out of him. You know, we mean we talking like
may get the hell out of him. So boom. She
lived on Washington Road. When you go pat the chevrun
down there, you got the little apartments.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I mean right there.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
So I go out there and may have a seven.
I parsed, I paused apartment over right, So I do
some shit. Everybody to pull up on the female. That's
when you learn how to do that, so I pull
up on the female. I go around the back, go
around the back, so you really can't see in the
blind with the TV on, you know what I'm saying.
But you know in the blinds you got the little
line right there. So my stupid dad looking not looking
through the line, nigga come up here more, my god

(01:00:00):
to kill him. I ain't kill him, I said, he killed,
he killed. He knailing to the crows. So I go,
it's some bricks right there, because it's a lake back there.
And then the prom said to hell, I grabbed the brick,
bit bank, the brick through the woman. I take on
off back. Then I'm in shape, so I'm good in shapes.
I run around the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
She called like an hour later, Hey, somebody trying to
break it my sister department.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Can you come help all baby ship. I'm asleep. Man,
I got no way out of could But the whole
time is me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I didn't find out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
It's the god damn quarterback and got them five years
going at the barber shop my ball and they said, man,
I won't tell you, man, but you probably crashed out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I was in kinder man standbover here yo, So may
you waited all this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Time to tell me. You're like, yeah, man, you eighteen boy,
you would have crashed out, would have told you naw,
back then I did. I was so stupid. I heard
her in there morning. No, I didn't know tell she

(01:01:02):
still to this day she said, when I see her homecoming,
she'd be like, that was you at my one, the
one who she would want me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I don't know that. I still kept right there. This
year is down the road. But I did.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Everybody crashed out by the brother, know, I mean, I
didn't go the chain game. Damn, that's what do you think?
Do you think that made your head cold for women?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Though? Yeah? Kind I told my son that the other day. Fourteen.
I say, man, I say, whatn't you gonna do to
say I was a love boy? Said? I turned to
a savage.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
I said, that's gonna be you, because once you realize
that you lose that faith in them, it's gonna do
something to your mental You're gonna think all of them
black air until you get older and find you one
that you're gonna send through the wrangler, you know, in
the old school watching machine. Grandma, that had to be
you gonna do it like that until she come out
that be clean. And so that's why, that's why, that's

(01:01:54):
why it's a lot of single mothers. That's why it's
a lot of single moments out here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
You know what I mean? That was just for some fun.
She was just rip, she went, I ain't even gonna
get her pregnant. She ain't, you know, she was just
And that's just how it gonna be. And then he'll learned.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
And once you, once you go through that trial in
triplation with a woman, then God gonna sooner send you
one that's they don't do all that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So do you think you could be one hundred percent
faithful to a woman? Yeah, for the rest of your life. Yeah,
why are you? Probably because guess what you're gonna fall
off you together. I'm a buy a drink being faith
for me, no badest girl, no drink. If we go
out me you a b b big tuning around here
and getting to get into the vad we go to
Vegas for the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
I'ma go by broad to drink because she's there beside me. Right,
it's not being faithful, man, Stop get some pussy. No,
you know I'm gonna. I'm gonna and I got enough
pussy to set her down. Now with this woman I
want now and to devote everything and took it. When
you pour what I realized, you find you want and
you pour all that masulinity into her and everything that
you really want to do for your life, it's gonna

(01:02:54):
be blessing for you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Huh. Thanks to him. I wanna saying one more time,
if you poor, I'm saying that. One time. He's taking
his head. He's saying, he like, what the hell be
what talking about? I'm gonna get it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Once you find you one that you can pour into
and be your authentic self with her. Like you, I'm
talking about all your flaws that you have, because all
of us men, we got a lot of flaws and
they are that we don't like to present and we'll
cover up with a with a collage over it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
But if I really really want to be that for her,
I'm gonna have to just call sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
So do you think by when you while you sacrificing,
you're gonna be completely happy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
And when you find happiness just when you stop doing
a lot of shit. When you're completely happy, you start
doing a lot of shit. You got an old school
cause you got an old school cause not want it
out the legendary don't have one old school car.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Everything. You got this update riding in old school cause
her mind bulletproof that's it. But the new motherfuckers still
blick proofs new. It's that new thing. You like everything
about it. Because I heard you tell the do You're like,
why I got this thing? Right here?

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
That navigator or whatever that was that like, why got
this thing? I thought I had to because you like it.
You ain't gonna tat it on any kind of way.
You're gonna get the aill change in them. You're gonna
keep the ties up on the brand new, brand new
oil breaks. You're gonna keep that damn truck looking brand.
But I would hit the curve ear and now and
then forget. You're gonna be the new tie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
So I'm saying, so I'm gonna hit a bitch here
and now and then still love my a bit. Yeah
you as a as a man, you could do that. Yeah.
I'm just saying, like Kevin saying, you said, who I say?

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
When I sat down Kevin saying, I say, I got
about fifteen minutes of spell. I still love my wife
though I still love my wife, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
I don't. I'm gonna slip up here?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
And now, so are you saying this from a stand
front of staying point of you don't want to fuck
up for your future wife to see this, or.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Don't staying sit stand front like Ship, every man's gonna
suck up. Every man gonna suck up up, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
But you said you think you can.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Yeah, I'm most definitely if you go into it's like
preparing for a game. If I think I'm gonna go
in here and put preparation do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I mighty up. I might off five.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
I thought, Sam, Ship, you know what I'm saying, Mike,
have squeel me in on the fide one time, you
know what I mean? So I got to go and
hit it with my brain thinking that I'm gonna do
what I was supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
You know what I'm saying. But I right slip. But
she ain't gonna know how slip. She can look on TV,
but you won't never know, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
I mean, like my daddy tell me right now, he's
seventy seven years old, and said, y'all, you' y'all young cats,
use them, damn phones. That's the problem. That way y'all
get called the way y'all do. Old school foards just
got the number men right here. I ain't got to
remember him. I remember he enough.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Hell, y'all want to record and you old hey, look
at the phone, he said, get this up? Oh what
it is? You know what I'm saying. But old school
I remember, I ain't got to look at the phone.
Niggas in the dick through Instagram? What Yeah? For what
she knows what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Yeah, that's the difference today. You want your mom, what's up?
You're seen a picture that puss to what you're doing with?
Who this in your phone?

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Baby? Eleven o'clock at night? What? Who is? Damn? Baby?
Who a TCL baby? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Spam LIFs man. Hey, I'm gonna say a few words
and you say the first thing come to your head.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Yes, sir, we got a kind of leader. Nick sable, accountability,
my father, church, belief, baby mama, successful, revenge part of life,

(01:06:41):
sugar Daddy. Gotta have money to play pre numpt gotta
have forgiveness. God forgives you manipulation, discomfort, suspicious. The flesh standards,

(01:07:15):
grounded and rooted, commitment, discipline, trust.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Earned m hm, obsession, that's a good one. Weakness, unfinished business,
discipline acts? Which one stood out like like you stumbling
on one. I'm trying to figure out which one it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Gonna let you wait, which one was it? I don't
forgot when you said those words. Man, you have to
really think about how you was raising what you know,
what's good and what's right. And so.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
You have what you said suspicion. You said, uh like
when the lust and the body take over, it's gonna happen.
It's just gonna be that one that that that that's
gonna be sent you away to the threw yarll trap.
Because when you start doing what's right, even with your
latest things started to like kind of change for you.

(01:08:21):
He said, you know, I mean it started to just
kind of change for you. If you see the change,
you don't really want to stick to that change that
way you're telling me. Listen to key Hunt and he
said once he even his ex wife and now he
got the white it's going different for him to like teacher,
like just like Jamal, it's going different from me now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
So the way I did it then it didn't work.
It wasn successful. I tried it that way. I tried
to be the whole and be the past at the
same time. That didn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
He wouldn't as he wouldn't. He wasn't were supposed to
be it. So I got to do a little sacrifice
because he showing me was good through my eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I'm looking. I wasn't here last year. I didn't. I wouldn't.
I wasn't. I was homeless three years ago, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
So now I got it from homeless to a townhouse
and two cars, to not having zero in the bank
account to having a couple of thousand, and ain't what
he gotta, what you got is more than what I had.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
And so but when a woman come in your life,
it's not like a little better man. It's like it
just be like that. I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
I don't know if it's the spiritual rim or the
old wind of what they say, the signs of line
or the or the galaxy is going there for you.
But when I when I when those certain things are
going right for you, it's just God just taking you
in different places, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I get that. I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
I ain't no, I ain't no total good Christians. I
ain't gonna sy I'm gonna se my Potmer when they
come up here for the Rick Rockcossho. You know what
I'm saying. I'm gonna ump in there with them and
poll up, and they're gonna roll up. We're gonna care here.
We gonna and I mean, I don't mean I'm not
still gonna go to be a pastor, so me tell me.
So my buddy roll up a blunt. I can't be
around them. I can't at the joint. She's like a dog, right,
people use dog for anxiety.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Some people roll up a blunt and gas anxiety. So
you don't like me because I roll up weed. But
I'm supposed like you could. I don't like dogs. I'm
like dogs. I'm like, do you know what you say?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I don't like people smoke weed. So it's still an
an opinion or that's how you feel, that's your feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Back to the women, you say, you say something specially
happening when women. A woman come in your life, right
and the right one, the right one, the right one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
You ain't got to tell her she's going to If
you got three right ones, you got three right ones
you got you got one right one, two wrong ones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
You can't say that the same time. I'm not speaking
for me personal. I just said you can't say that, okay,
because it's hold on for niggas like us. It's the
shortest on niggas like us, right, men, right me and men,
it's the shortest. So who you know how many good
women there are?

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Here's the one nigga? How many nigga's Atlanta man?

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
You probably got about fifteen to one there baby, Okay,
So fifteen to one baby, but fifteen fifty that's very
selfish of you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
It is to take fifteen females to take one right
to only take one. That's some selfish ship to the
world to take one female. Yeah, I think so. So
this was even though I did it, I think that
selfish of me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
It was it me too, because guess what I realized
when you hang around with and where I come from
across south Side, we call you Tony. I mean you
would be considered big tone than me, you know what
I'm saying. So big Tony gonna play. Big Tony got
to play, and so you got money to play, You
got money to play, and so and that comes with females.
If you ain't got no money, staying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
HIU because you can't play, play golf, can't come out
there and put you can't come out there and do
none of that ship. But when you got money, it
comes with that. To like football, BIG's the NFL, it
comes with pussy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
If a kidskind of sign a scholarship right now to
go to to Georgia, it's gonna come with koochie.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
You're gonna come with it. It's gonna come with it automatically.
And so if you can you if you I'm no
honest man, we're gonna kick you one thousand man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
You know what I'm saying. We don't prepare the man ship.
If you got money to play, you're gonna play. Let's
be honest. So so you whether you're the pastor with you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
A way back around to a circle, Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah,
whether you pastor where you're the judge, where you're the teacher,
where you're the principal, and you got money to play,
you're gonna play. They can keep that dark secret all
they want, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I mean, it's just certain Toness had different you got,
you gonna have a couple of millions, so I can
have me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
I can have your brother in San Diego.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
My wife would never know because I got the money
to make sure she's straighted on, never saying nothing. Now
when the money get to be funny, I can't. I
can't play like that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
They're being straight up. You're gonna play. Let me ask
you something else.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Why is we the only culture that that is enforced on?
Because that's like we were saying, you was trained to
see that, you was training to see grandma.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
I'm just bringing it back around for a circle for
you know, bowl right back around. We don't get everything out,
so we're gonna bring back.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
So you was training in condition to see Grandmama and
granddad and then when you were young to be married
to get a wife, to get those things down. I
me and you were if we were came from the
chakras Zulu man like we saw and we were coming
up Chaka Zulu man. You have three four, five wives,
it's no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
But the thing about that, I think all of that
is to contain niggas. To put you with one woman
is to contain you because they don't want you to
have a try. Niggas like supposed to have sixteen sons.
They had sixteen sons. They had sixteen more sons. Nigga,
we deepest fuck and my wife we can run the world.
Wives like niggas ain't got no tribes. Nigga have two kids,

(01:13:13):
and his kid might one of his kids might have
a kid. Your last name gone right now?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
You mean women? Now they last name gonna be their
father's name. Am I tripping king? You might be yo? Yeah,
one of your kids and the other one game? Yeah exactly, Bro,
he gonna make no more of you. Thank you. Bro,
that's cold right now? Yeah, your other son, like you

(01:13:42):
get killed right right?

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
So much like right right there, I ain't got nobody
from my lowins to keep it going.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
That's cold, bro, But get what you right, I can't.
I can't have no more real game. Fuck I fucked.
So I guess that would the multiple baby mamas come
in there now. Brother, that's gonna trying to tell you
you got to think about this bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Back in them tries, bro, like in them villages, them
folks have a whole village be family.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, it'd be two three hundred people, all them folks
and can because this nigga, he got twelve kid by
their wife. See by this one, fifteen, by this one, nine,
by this one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Yeah, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
That's who Listen, bro, we don't supposed to be able
to produce all these kids.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
We don't supposed to produce, so right right, nigga an
how many other times you can know the day that
how many women you can get pregnant in one day?
You can get about three four one much you get
that channel sharp and you go about five or six,
Well do one hundred and fifty thousand starnss of men.

(01:14:53):
So we're preproducing right now, So get what we just
fifteen wait, nine month? Yes, we can do it, and
you ready, you're real.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Counsel counsel more because he ain't gonna take her three
four minute the knockout for.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Twenty three like a weight training man. So basically it's
in our nature, bro, to be a hunter. So basically
what we're doing is being contained. So we got to
be trained because she got to wait nine way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
We trained, and then after the nine months, she still
ain't ready for for another six weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
She waited nine. Man, you know what you're going through.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
You're going through the agony of abuse, the the turmoil
you going through the fish fighting and everything attitude you did?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
What she won't there? How much you that can you take?
Why she's spelling for damn, I'm gonna save somebody there
because she getting on my nerve, right on my nerve
too much. I'm gonna caet doing him. Then I end
up getting.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
I'm gonna tell you that's in your in your younger years.
So guess where it's in the Bible. Once I was young,
I will now I'm old, now old, but in my youngeses.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
God give a damn about two situations. Give the relationship
and your God what right this person of that person?
That's all that ship is? So what what? So? So
you said, what God care about about your heart?

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Your cares said that We're gonna tell heart and your
cats God cares. You're right, your right, You got cut
your facts, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
So so so all this all this fake ass certain
we're doing back, well, well, God cuts you off. He
cuts you off because he's judging your heart off right.
This is the only thing working for you with is
your heart exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Them books them, books is for them, books is for contained,
for containment. That's what it is bro That's what that
ship is, because thou shall not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
So is it? Is it containment? Or is the structure constructure?
But for whom to say that them? Mother, we need
to follow that structure years ago with the Bible. You understand. Man,
Come on, man, hey man, make y'all, make y'all follow

(01:17:35):
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