August 11, 2022 • 49 mins
We are back for Part 2 with The Wrong Missy’s Lauren Lapkus, now tackling the second half of “Grandma was a Rolling Stone.” The group recognizes Will’s comfort and his newfound appetite for laughs - even if his first came when the cameras weren’t rolling.
Speaking of firsts for Will…he details his first on screen kiss with Felicity herself - Kerri Russell! Of course she wasn’t Felicity yet, but she still gave Will some pointers anyway. And her hair! Geez!!! This leads the gang into detailing just how weird TV kissing is, a practice we all know we’ll soon be talking about every week.
This may not be your first listen to this podcast, but it’ll still give you the same Felicity butterflies! Check it out…
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome back. We're doing a real deep dive here with
Lauren Lapis on episode number one oh seven. Grandma was
a rolling stone. This episode is a little bit of
a doozy, so see beelt yourself in uh and welcome
back to the show, Lauren Lacus. Okay, so we see
Carrie Russell in the backyard and her mound of hair stunning.
Daniel unbel I thought, maybe they can't have to pay
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in this episode because there's just too much hair, too
much from that would make too much hair in one episode.
I didn't remember. I don't I remember when Carrie Russell
then cut her hair when she was on Felicity and
it was a huge deal. It was the it was
on the news. And then watching this episode, I was like, yeah,
that's newsworthy. I can't believe she cut that. I honestly
(01:03):
I can't either. I was looking at it going if
I had that hair, well, I think I would look insane.
But if I had that hair, I could take over
the world. That's like amazing hair. She just and she's
so cute. I mean it's it's just like you automatically like, oh,
that's he must go out with her. You can't go
with her, and by the way, what a cute couple.
I know, cute. I remember almost nothing about her except
(01:26):
that she was so nice to me. I mean, she
could tell this was like my She'd been in the
business forever, she'd done a bunch of stuff. This was
like my sixth episode, and we would sit in between scenes.
I remember we would sit we were at the Disney
lot of the time, and our trailers were outside, and
we would sit on the the on the curb and
we talked about music and we talked about but I mean,
she was just like she kept me chill kind of
(01:48):
the whole week. And maybe that's one of the reasons
I was more relaxed during this episode. But I distinctly
just remember how nice a human being she was. She
was great. Did you have any sort of crush on her?
Of course I had a crush, She's Carrie Russell, but
I never liked, never tried to like hit on her
or do anything inappropriate. But it was But I mean
it's hard not Did she have somebody? I honestly I don't.
(02:09):
Did you have a girlfriend? Were you dating Nicki Cox
at this point? Maybe you may have been dating Nikki
because Nick just been on the episode. I may have
been dating Nikki. I have no idea, and dating is
put in quotes, by the way, his fifteen year old dating. Um,
But but it was she was fifteen. I was um,
but yeah, it was. It was. She was just Yeah,
(02:32):
she was so sweet. I have no idea if she
has a boyfriend, but she was. She was so nice
to me and very easy to work with and and
was like kind of running me through the what certain
things in the script meant, which we'll get into in
the later scene. I can't wait to see because she
translated something for me in a very funny way that
always stuck with me, So I can't wait. We will
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get to that in a later scene. This incredible leap
over the fence. Can I talk about this scene really
quickly because it looks great and it's awesome, and I
was terrible. We did this scene. By this point the
audience had left. We had shot the scene once or
twice badly. It was not this take, and Michael was like,
(03:14):
let's move on while the audience is here. Then he
got rid of the audience and we shot this scene
over and over and over again, and I could not
get it right. It was because of you or was
it because of me? I was He didn't think I
was big enough. I wasn't doing it right. I so
certain things. By the way, notice you can't understand what
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you're not doing that needs to be done, and you're
not doing it. But I don't know why. Don't do this,
don't do that. So if you notice the first though
in this scene, I hop over the fence and then
I reached for her, and you see me pull my
arm back. And it's because in the takes before, Michael's like,
don't touch her. You would never touch her, You would
never her jump over the fence and then just touch her.
(04:01):
So you watch me. I got I like make a laugh,
and I go to reach for her and I shoot
my handback. So it's like this brought me right back
to shooting this thing where it was you actually remember
those individual beauts. This this scene is burned into my
brain because it was again focused on me. Audience gone,
I can't get it. Jeff Sherman, who's one of the
(04:23):
writers and produces the show, still remembers the scene. He's like, oh,
I remember you that night. And so we're sitting there
and I'm doing and I'm doing it over and over again.
And then comes the bag tossing, and I've now tossed
the bag ten times, and I just it's so good.
This is crazy that it was sound, but I had
that's the thing. So the last time I did it,
because you hadn't made the sound, I added the sound,
(04:44):
which I've never done before. I went, let me and
if you listen to that is the most Wilfordell moment.
It's so like that is the thing that Will do.
Like you tell them to throw a bag and throw
it and it's funny, and it's kind of funny. But
then Will will add that little thing that makes it
it's perfect. I knew when I heard it. I was like,
that was Will. That was not in the script. And well,
(05:09):
that's the thing. You hear a huge laugh under a
ginormous laugh. The ginormous laugh is fake. They added that
the audience is gone. It's the machine. But if you listen,
you can hear all the producers and the directors defawing.
And that's when I knew I had had it. Right
after that, I go to reach for her again and
(05:30):
I pulled my arm back again, like you still can't
touch her, Still can't touch her. But I gotta go
frame by frame on this, and you can hear, I
mean in my head, and I can hear the difference
between the fake laugh track and them actually laughing. And
that was the tuning fork I was talking about. It's like, oh,
that's the huge laugh like I felt, it was so natural,
(05:50):
And that scene is what changed the whole thing for me,
like changed the whole show for me. Was that scene
at probably one o'clock in the morning, because we're all adults,
there were no kids in the scene. In the scene,
no she we shot her out by that point. So
that's what you filmed in front of the audience, you
use you used the lily takes from the audience shoots,
and then all makes sense. Yeah, exactly. And then there's
(06:12):
the rest is just Carrie and myself and Bill there
at like midnight or whatever. And we finally got that
scene and like Lauren said, Carrie breaks, And I'm not
knowing that that was I thought that was like part
of it that she as the character was also laughing
at Eric. But now knowing that you added that it
was probably a real break. Maybe I don't know. It
looked like there was some authenticity to that to mean it.
(06:35):
That's really that was a great scene. That was a
very important scene for me, and because I burned into
my head, one of the things I wrote down is
that the scene isn't It's one of the first times,
uh that it isn't this. The scene is entirely dependent
on your performance, do you know what I mean? Like
the story of the scene is that you are flailing
or that you are performing, like even when you're doing
(06:56):
your gritted teeth thing, like this is one of those
scenes where it doesn't work unless perform at this level.
I'm retroactively nervous. Thank you. It's true though we were
still we're still all finding ourselves as actors. I mean,
we've talked about it. The only person who and we've
said this before, writer and you don't agree, but it's true.
The only person who seemed to know what they were
(07:17):
doing and have their character down from the second they
stepped on set was you. Yeah. The rest of us
were still trying to figure it out, and you were
Sean from word one of the pilot, so it was
like they didn't know what Sean was, but you already
had that. So it was we're still flailing as we
go and I can look at me and go, oh
I got it there, whereas you I was like, yeah,
writer already what he was doing. So Lee was another
(07:39):
one who kind of right from the right from the
get knew what he like, had his character bill um
you know the rest of us. I was just I
was founding around. So this was an important one for me.
So in the scene, uh, Morgan is there. She does
her little lines to try and get Jessica to go
out with with Eric, and Morgan convinces Eric to take
her to the carn of All with Jessica, and phoene says, um,
(08:02):
you know that you should probably invite me, and so
Eric reluctantly invites Poene and Phoeney says he'd rather have
gum surgery than go to the carnival, and which was
kind of dark. There was like a moment where the
camera like followed him like it was sort of like
not how it typically looks like, it kind of like
followed him as he said the joke and he left
the scene. I was like, whoa, he does not want
to go. It just got real's got real driving that
(08:26):
point home. He does not want to go. So then
we're back in the kitchen and Corey and Amy have
made four batches of muffins. Corey says they should call
the police in case something bad happened to Grandma. He's
worried about her, and Amy says she has known Grandma
for a long time and there is something that Corey
should know. And Corey then realizes that Grandma is not
coming to get him, and then Corey says it's not
(08:50):
a big deal. It's just a stupid road trip, and
Amy suggests that Corey calls his best bud, Sean. Corey
then says, yes, I'll call my best budd Sean on
and now exactly what we had talked about in the
previous episodes, the best bud, this is my go to guy,
has now been well established. You guys think maybe this
is where I got my last name? Yes, yeah, because
(09:13):
I would Has Phoeny ever called me out in class,
because I would be the only time that we would
have heard my last name. I don't think he has
I know he said Mr Matthews, Ms Lawrence and didn't
didn't he say? Mr Hunter and Mr Minkus When they
both slapped their heads like they're now they're they're teamed up,
must have right, he wouldn't said Sean. And well, I'm
(09:33):
trying to remember what did it say on the script page.
Did it say Shaun or did it say Sean Hunter? Becausember,
the first page of the script was always it had
the character's names and then the actor playing them, um,
and then you'd get on the first page of the
script it would always said all the characters and the
actors playing them. And like, I think my name was
like the fourth or fifth one in that list last names.
(09:56):
Don't remember said our last name? Said our last names? Yeah,
so I think Sean Hunter. Yeah, you probably always because
it's right because he was Stuart Lemky when we when
we first started, we talked about that. Yes, yeah, so
I think I do think it was probably in there,
but this maybe maybe it was one of the first
times you heard it out loud on the show instead
of knowing it just privately. What your name was funny,
(10:18):
Like a little bell went off in my head in
this scene. I think it was that at the time
I remember getting a last name, like I remember being
exciting that or maybe it was just that I was
excited that I was referred to as the best friend.
So I knew that you might never work for me.
My question was they obviously hadn't established your family life,
but going forward, I could never remember because they switched it.
(10:39):
Your chet was always gone and you always lived with
your mom, or Shawn's mom was always gone and you
always lived with his dad. It's both, It's both. It
goes both way because I think basically my dad abandoned
me because he was a traveling salesman and I was
always with my mom. But then my mom literally left
our lives right right right like and bailed on me.
(11:00):
And I don't know if that's in until my teens
or when that happens, but right so, at this point,
I could be living with my mom and Stacy like
a lovely household somewhere that then dissolves in a few episodes.
Yet the storyline that your mom left your family is
definitely the one that resonated the most to me because
(11:23):
I when he says, oh, Mrs Matthews, my first thought was, Oh,
his mom's around in this opening me because we did
whole episodes about her coming back. I think we did.
That's what it was. I thought the same guest start,
but because I think we ended up having two different moms.
Didn't I two different actresses. I don't know I had
three moms. Yeah, everybody had multiple parents on the show,
(11:44):
except for the Matthew. Speaking of moms, because we've talked
about the first few episodes, we we've harped many times
and rightfully so, and we could do it again with
this episode about how good Rusty is amazing, so that
Betsy is really good in this episode. So yes, she's great,
and I don't think we talked about that enough because
she does anchor. I mean a lot of things we've
(12:05):
talked about. They they've really given her the domestic role,
which again nothing wrong with that, but she always seems
to be in the kitchen or cooking something or something like.
But she is really really good in this episode. She
really is. And I thought the way we touched on
it earlier, but I thought the way even she approaches this, listen,
I've known your grandmother for a long time. Um. It
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didn't have the feeling of like, sit down, we need
to talk. It had the feeling of listen, people are
going to disappoint you sometimes and Grandma has a tendency
to come and go and this may be one of
those times where you're disappointed, and it was like a
weighty message without feeling like you were drowning. Yeah, And
(12:49):
it wasn't like the and also which we'll talk about
later about this same with the dad, where that's that
same thing. It wasn't like that sitcom moment where the
music comes on and you get really sad and you
feel bad about how your grandma doesn't care. It's like
they framed it in such an interesting way that I
just thought that was really smart and it felt like
really authentic to life, like some people are like this
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and that's okay, like you could still love her. Yeah,
no judgment really Yeah. Um, So Corey calls his best
bud Shawn, Mrs Matthews answer, Mrs Hunter answers and says
that sean fishing, which is great. That's a great little
story twist. It was very cute. Um. And so for
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Corey and I know, well he really he he was
really bummed by it, like it was compared to and
maybe he was just projecting his his anger about the
cal Ripken thing onto that, but like considering he had
been so excited about cal Ripken, he really seemed significantly
more bummed about the fishing situation than he did about Grandma.
I think it's also his responsibility. You know, he forgot
(13:53):
the can blame but himself. It's so much worse that
he just because I forgot, like created this situation. I
love that be true. It's not out of his control.
It was totally in his control. So he just feels bad. Yeah,
So we're in the backyard. Corey is sitting in his treehouse. Morgan, Eric,
and Jessica are back from the carnival. Morgan is still
feeding Jessica the lines that Eric has told her. Jessica
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asks who the signature is on Eric's arm. She seems
a little jealous, flirty, jealous. Jessica says, it's obvious he
used Morgan as date bait, and she said he didn't
need to work so hard or really even at all.
And they start kissing, and Corey is watching from his
treehouse and Alan and Sean walk up behind them as
this kissing is going on. Now, will this is your
(14:41):
first on screen kiss ever? Did you guys kiss her?
In rehearsals? We did. She taught me not to put
your tongue down. The script meda, Okay, I know that's
happened to people so that I will never forget this.
Script says, and they kiss dot dot dot a good kiss. Oh,
(15:05):
I don't forget that. And I said to her, what
does that mean? And without missing a beat, she went
tongue the opposite it was. It was that it was
kind of she said it to tongue in cheek. Sorry, um,
but that's exactly what I'll never forget that. I said,
what does that mean? And she went tongue and that's
literally what the script said, dot dot dot h speechless.
(15:27):
So it was that's the difference between like a peck
on the lips, yeah, look like a real kiss, or
you're moving your head around in her case that giant
mound of hair. That's kind of all you see. You
don't really see the kiss. And again, there was no
reason to French kiss. He didn't have to. But she
knew the industry. She knew she like she knew what
this meant because we had talked about I was like,
(15:48):
this is my first on screen kiss, and the first
run through our teeth bumped. I've talked about this before.
Like I moved in too fast and I hit her
teeth and I was like, that's it. I'm never kissing
anyone in like, I just I'm done. People don't realize
how hard it is to just do everyday normal things
as an actor. Everyone is offering at you. You got
(16:09):
all the producers and everyone staring at you, and it's
Carrie Russell in front of you, and our teeth bumped
and then my whole that's all was in my head
was like, oh my god, I just smashed this poor
woman's teeth with my own and I'm never kissing again.
And that was a good run as a lover and
I'm done now. But I think I think you're lucky
that she explained how to do it, because that takes
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the pressure off you, like, because it's so uncomfortable and
I and it's very uncomfortable for both people, especially as kids,
to be like, um, how am I supposed to approach this?
And I don't want to ask like how do you kiss?
Or you know, it's like it's very like tough, and
so she made it very easy for you just to
say that's okay, we're doing it this way. I started
(16:54):
asking when I was about eighteen, and it was a
girl a week writer. We both went through this were
just that's your part. Now you're gonna kiss girl. It
was like I started asking what, like, how would you
like to do this because it's just I mean, it's
it's creepy too, and when you know not to jump
way ahead, but the screen episode where I'm kissing love,
(17:14):
people are like, wow, it looks like you just jam
your tongue down the throat and I was like, well,
I did a for the joke and be she was
actually my girlfriend, like she knew we were going to kiss.
But if it's Hi, it's nice to meet, like Marguerite Moreau,
and she came on, another wonderful actress and a really
nice person. It was like we talked a little bit
about it because it wasn't just like Hi, it's nice
to meet you. Now I have to jump on you
and throw my tongue on your throat. It's really creepy.
(17:36):
So it was and a lot of that is because
of carry because Carrie was like, this is what it means,
this is what we'll do, and she kind of held
my hand and walked me through it because it was
it was hugely uncomfortable. It was it's just everyone talks
about that, like, oh man, you got to kiss all
these girls and you got to do all this and
it's like it's not awesome. You think it's you might
(17:57):
think it is, but it really is horribly uncomfortable to
do in front of an audience and hearing people go
whoo and all this. It's really uncomfortable. Well, and chemistry
is not is something that like you can't put your
finger on and just because they want you to have
chemistry with someone doesn't mean you actually do have chemistry
with somebody. And not everyone kisses the same, not every so,
(18:21):
like I would say in response to what Will just said,
like there were times when it was fun, but totally
other times when it wasn't, and it really just depended
on the person and that it wasn't whether they were
pretty or not. It was just literally that chemistry thing.
Like there were times when I was like I do
not want to have to kiss this person again, like
it is awful, and then there are other times when
you're like, oh, that was fine. Also, we we should, seriously,
(18:41):
we should at least address because especially in this day
and age, it needs to be talked about the kind
of power disparity disparity that's going on. Because we're regulars
on the show, so we we have a job. We
know we're going to have a job, and here's somebody
who's coming on who is a guest cast and it's like,
I'm going to do whatever the regular because I don't
(19:02):
want so it puts puts the actors in a position
of saying, I'm not going to actors, your tongue down
down my throat, you know what I mean, puts the
put the guest actors in a position. These these young
women coming in having to say I don't want you
to put your tongue down my throat, and you're putting
them in that position, and a lot of people at
the time, especially, I don't know, it's just it's weird.
(19:23):
The whole situation is just the role of an intimacy
coordinator makes so much sense to me. I love that idea.
I mean, i'd never heard of that when we were
you know, we never never existed, and now it's become
pretty standard on sets, and I love it. I think
that I've never worked with them personally, but I totally
think that that's a necessary role because, you know, because
you can't just trust that a director or a producer
(19:47):
is gonna have the you know, the wherewithal or the
experience or the delicate tone or whatever is situation or
the morality. Right, There's a lot of different ways this
could go, and I think having an assigned person just
to you know, navigate that with the actors is great.
Um and yeah, an essential role, but yeah, I mean
(20:08):
that's basically what we're talking about, is the need for
an intimacy coordinator. Laur Unless your experience with on screen kisses,
Oh my god. I always thought I would never have
to do it for some reason, and I've had to
do so many crazy, crazy, amazingly hysterical moment in Jurassic
World though, where you stop him from kissing it's like
one of my favorite gads. No, no, okay, totally. That
(20:31):
was very fun, But like the I've had, My first
one was like a music video and it was like
supposed to be really nasty, like spit. We had fake
spit in our mouths. Yeah, yeah, but it was still
my first time doing it, so I was like, oh no,
and then like it's like the spits dangling between the
two people. It was just really rough. And then I'm sorry,
was I don't want to delve into that, but I
(20:53):
have to. Was it supposed to be funny or was
it supposed to be sexy crazy? No, it's supposed to
just be kind of like weird, Like it's a it's
a music video where like Food is singing, like there's
just a lot going on, like it's that they might
be giants video, Like it's kind of like weird already.
This song is weird, the music video is weird. All
the weird um. And to do the video because I
(21:16):
love that band. But yeah, the kiss rough because you
have to have this like it's like cherry flavor but
not you know, And I was like gagging really, and
then you don't want to be gagging at someone that
you're kissing. It's like that's not that's not polite. So
Danielle really disgusting. It's like the idea, it's really it's
like it's actually gonna make me. It's gonna make me
gags because I know, I know, I know it really
(21:36):
is sick um. But it's disgusting that idea of like
a mouthful of fake spiff and then leaning in with
something in your mouth to kiss somebody. I know, because
you're holding it like you're like keep talking about it.
We don't need to keep talking about but I know
I've had to do a bunch of weird kisses or
like kisses where they're like make it a good one,
sort of where someone's like can you really do it
(21:57):
this time? And it's like okay, and then you look
at the other person like okay, and then you just
really do it. But it's like, geez, like, it's just
a weird job. It's a weird job. That's the thing
you're at work, you're at it's like, it's just it's weird. Yeah. Well,
Terry Russell was very, very nice and took my hand
and kind of I really appreciate that. And then when
(22:19):
I've definitely had situations where I've been so grateful for
extra communication and as I as I, you know, work
more and more, I feel like I get more confident
saying like here's how we're gonna do this and whatever.
But I definitely in the first time is doing that
kind of stuff, didn't say anything and felt more like
I'm just going in my own little world as we
prepare for this moment and then we have to do it,
and you know, so it's strange to me. We've talked
(22:49):
about a little, but it's very strange that in the nineties,
kissing on a kids TV show was a totally normal thing,
and now it does not seem to be the case. Right,
like family sitcoms I don't think have this component. Why
is that? I mean, because it's not like we've gotten
more conservative, is it? Is it because we've actually gotten
like there's more access to porn, so like we don't
(23:13):
like people don't like you watch a kids show, you
don't need to watch people kissing. You can go find
that somewhere else when kids can find it, and there's
so many shows that are beyond their age. It's because
the accessibility of that kind of content has been like
completely enabled, right culturally, like we can find if if
kids want to find watch people kissing, I guess you
(23:33):
can search for that, right so on. But back then,
it seems like you were servicing the idea of like
like all being slightly luscifious, like like having to be
a little sexy, and that was like part of the
who But now that we just seem out of place,
like it's I'm not watching the show for that, you know.
I wonder if it's because it was like t G
I f if you think of that, like families gathering
(23:55):
around to watch, so you want to give something for everyone.
It's like there might be the seventeen year old kids
sitting there, there might be an eight year old, there
might be a data mom and or whatever. So it's
like that. It was like you're pleasing a bunch of
different audiences in one show, which we don't really before.
That's what I was gonna say. It's it's there's no more,
for lack of a better phrase, in between shows, it's
either Disney Channel or it's um, you know a family show,
(24:18):
like like, um, what was the Modern Family? It's like
the idea where it's kind of like in between now.
So just like Lauren saying where it's like kind of
teenagers making him out on Modern Family, well, you know,
they take it even farther. They talk about sex and
she got predic to talk about it. But do you
watch people? Yes, there was there was an episode where
(24:38):
you know that you walk in and the parents were
in we might have to dug this we're in, I
mean like literally, Okay, It's like it's like so it's
one of those things where I guess that's on a show.
I mean, that's on a television show. I wouldn't believed
you without the description. I believed you when you said that, yes,
they go there. But can I throw another suggestion or
(25:01):
another idea that maybe is there a possibility? And maybe
this is just my hopeful, wishful thinking, but like, is
there a part of it that also is about that
the people writing the content are now uncomfortable asking real
twelve because I know that when I do think that's
a part of it, because I know that when I
have been on sets, the conversation around well, we would
(25:23):
never ask a child to do that, well, we would
never have. We would never like, we're not doing that
because that's an uncomfortable thing to ask any fourteen year
old to do? Is now? And they weren't asking that,
They weren't asking that question. We were actors. It didn't
matter whether or not we were uncomfortable or comfortable with it.
Whatever the writer wrote is what you. You did, and
you were made to feel that if you did have
(25:45):
some if something did make you uncomfortable, it was inappropriate
for you to express that. You weren't really supposed to say,
I don't want I don't want to do this, I
don't want to feel comfortable. You're a prop as an actor,
basically you say the words that we do what's written
on this page, no questions asked. Having autonomy as a
child actor is very difficult, you know. You you you
start to believe that if you if you stand up
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for yourself or do or do not want to do something,
or do or do not want to say a certain
line a certain way or whatever, you feel like you're
making waves and you feel like you're part of a problem,
and it's and so unhealthy, you know, And I, you know,
I just started not listening. I mean, you were always
in front of me at the notes session because I
would always go I'd get notes and I go okay, okay,
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and you guys would joke with me later like you
and Ben would walk by and go like okay, okay,
knowing that what I was actually doing was was just
going all right, and then I'm going to do it
however the hell I want to do it, and that's
just what it's going to be. So that, I mean,
that was there's a great kind of freedom in that
where it's like, at the end of the day, I'm
the one standing in front of the camera. So unless
you're gonna walk out onto the set and move my mouth.
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I'm going to say it the way I want to
say it, um, which which some. But in the meantime,
we're going to keep you after the show is over
and keep doing this scene over and over and over again.
So so will for what you're saying is like you
were in a battle of wills and they were going
to keep going until you made But that came later
that the oak just saying okay and doing it my
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own way probably wasn't until about fourth or fifth season.
I mean that was like later in the day where
I was like, I got this now, and so I'll
listen to your notes, but I'm gonna do it the
way that I want to do it, um. And that
was I got that from Bill and Rusty, And when
you saw when they got notes, they were like all right,
and then they go and rehearse and it was like,
let's really blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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And so there was like the power grab. I don't
even wasn't even a power grab. It was just trying
to balance it again where it was just kind of like, okay,
we're not We're past the point of just put the
words in my mouth? Um, which was which is crazy? Hey,
this is Bobby Brown and I'm relaunching my podcast The
(27:53):
Important Things. What's important to me is everything from how
to live my life, how to run my biss business,
what to do if I feel anxious, what to do
if I'm overwhelmed. Certainly I will tackle a lot of
the issues about getting older. I will tackle with curiosity
a lot of the issues about what should we be eating,
(28:15):
because everyone tells us something different and I'm just curious
how other really busy, interesting women get things done. My
first episode is Giada de Laurentis, who is adorable and
gave such great information. Talked to Jenna Elfman, Gabby Reeese.
I mean, come on, the woman knows everything. Talk to
(28:36):
Jillian Michael's and that's going to be a great one.
I hope that you will come along for the ride
because it's been really fun to do this. So listen
to the Important Things with Bobby Brown wherever you listen
to podcasts. Okay, so we have Sean comes in wearing
a funny hat. Yeah, now that's where I can trime in. Now, Okay,
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if we are really going to get to that, what's
up with the hat, the best hat. That's three but
the hat is like it's three's you know. They were
just like let's let's let's let's say they went fishing
as boldly and it was like, yeah, it was movie,
it was. This is actually a very I would say
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this scene is one of the most sitcommun scenes evert
from start to finish, like all the wooze, the kissing,
the jokes themselves, Eric the lipmaster. This feels like this
feels like the show Boy Meets World was most of
the time, not do you know what I mean? This
is like, this is us kind of failing to distinguish
ourselves from pretty mainstream, like not great sitcoms. This is
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like joke, joke, joke, me and and he so yeah,
it was like of course, of course, like yeah, it
congratulating him on kissing her. But I did get a
laugh from Corey at the end, like you kissed of
Phoenie or of these days swap spit with a phenie
with It was categorizing her as you know, I know,
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I know, categorizing her as like a phenie. That was
just great because it's act she's so cute. It's like
that's just a funny way it is. It was a
funny way of thinking about it, calling her a phenie.
It's really cute. So this is the first reference to
Sean eating so much. Did you guys catch that? Actually
did write it in? Because we talked about on the show,
I'm always eating and scenes, and this was it was
actually written in, So I guess it was a character.
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It was the character saying that you probably were not
eating at home and so everywhere you were, Yeah, you
were always eating. But going back to you being the
most adjusted actor already, you actually ate in scenes. And
I mean to the point where all actors. When I
was literally maybe an hour before we came on this
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podcast watching an episode of Sopranos, and these amazing, multi
award winning actors are pushing their food around with the
good man. That's what good acting is. But when you
really go some times it really works. Like I was
just watching something I can't remember what it was, and
it was a more recent thing and the girl was like,
I mean, I mean all these donuts and I was like, no,
she's not. And then she's still there with a donut
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and she literally picked off a corner of a think.
I was like, show don't out in your mouth. I'm
gonna need you to shove in your mouth like you
actually ate. And they're all all these shows. We just
when you push around the food with your fork. Agree.
I like to see people eating. I really do. It's great.
Well maybe maybe I would agree with you, but I
have PTSD from you and it makes you sick. I mean,
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I've definitely gone for it. Like I was on the
show Good Girls and I had to eat some donuts
and shove them in my mouth as part of my
character being like sloppy, and I just kept going. But
by the end I was like spitting them out and
like it was just just getting disgusted. It's like, you know,
you can commit to a point, but true, it's the
it's the push around in the fork shake. The fork
shake is big. You put one piece of food on
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the fork and you shake it over the plate as
if that is fake eating. And it's as you're doing
your line, you're just shaking your fork. That is a
common one. The mood of the four. Yeah, it's very strange,
but right are you always eight? Very impressive? So Corey
tells Alan he didn't go to Baltimore with Grandma because
she didn't show up. And then we move into the
kitchen and there are hundreds of muffins everywhere and Alan
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tries them and says they're a little dry. He says
he's been in Corey's shoes before with grandma not showing up,
and he tells a story about Grandma not turning in
his permission slip in school so he couldn't go on
a school field trip. And so we go. We go
from the least boy meets World seeing to the most
world you know what I mean, Like this is what
made the show special Rusties performance, giving this monologue, the
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casualness of them just setting down and having this without
like the special music playing, like you were saying, like
there is there's an effortlessness to this scene. And it's
it's diffusing, right, it's diffusing all the tension. It's telling
Corey like you're spinning out, dude, Like you're just being
a kid right now. And and I'm going to tell
you this life lesson, but it's going to be relaxing.
It's not like it's not like you're in trouble. It's
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not like any you know anything, anybody did anything wrong.
This is just life, kid, And that it's like such
a great tone. It's also not from Phoenie, which I like,
we don't get a lesson from Poenie at all in
this episode. It felt like the kind of lesson that
I wish more people gave, do you know what I mean? Like,
I feel like it's not something that you hear very often.
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Um Like, I just think a lot of shows would
have made that a big dramatic, sad thing that his
grandma's like this. Maybe when she comes back in they
have like a heart to heart and she explains why
she's like this or something, And it was just more
like he got to kind of accept it, and he
just and he accepted it really well, like he just
was like, okay, yeah, not to be the person who
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always has like the therapy background on the whole thing. Please.
I think the thing that is the most interesting to
me about this scene is that it's all about p
o V. And we regularly tell ourselves stories about our lives,
and Alan could have very well and he would have
been correct if his p o V had been my
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mom always abandoned me. When I needed my mom, she
wasn't there, and in big important moments in my life,
I couldn't count on her. That's a p o V.
That's a p o V from his experience he could
have had. It's the same po V Corey could have. Now,
my grandmother made me a promise about something I was
so excited about, and when I trusted her, she let
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me down, or the same exact situation from just a
different p o V. A different story we could tell
ourselves is Grandma is flawed, and sure, she may not
be there after she's promised to be there. But on
the other hand, the moments when she's made it up
to me, the other moments when she is there for
me are so salient to me because they were so special.
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And that my mom wasn't watching the you know, the
the takeoff, she was watching me, and I knew she
was watching me, and I knew, yes, that was good,
Like it's it's it's great, it's it's a great description
and you know it's not and I would I would
just add it's also redirecting to the relationship versus a
a very specific experience, right, Like I'm not going to
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hold on to one memory, I'm going to hold onto
this relationship ongoing. Like I could hold a grudge or
I could just let that one go because I know
there's another one coming that that's going to be great.
And so it's it's redirecting from you know, this one
specific memory or this one loss to you it's better
to have a relationship with this person in the long run.
And I can't love people in slices. You take the
whole thing or you don't. Yeah, And there will be
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conflict in every relationship. There will be conflict. And it
doesn't mean that that person is bad or that relationship
is necessarily bad. It's just that there will be conflict
and there will be moments of being let down in
every relationship. And and it it doesn't need to be
you can tell it. You can tell a story to
yourself that could make it way worse than it is,
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or you could tell the story to yourself that's much
more like, this is the person, These are their flaws,
and I love them anyway, and here are some great
things about them. I just it was like it was
I just thought it was a very well thought out
p o V for them to have, not only just
to see how well established and like, what a what
a great well rounded person Alan is, but also that
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that's the story he's going to pass on to Corey
about his grandmother instead of you know, your Grandma's gonna
let you down a lot. Yeah, I really every time
we watched these shows now, I really wish I had
understood how good Rusty was when we were doing these episodes.
I know he's so good, and I wish I thought
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about something I thought about earlier when we were talking
about Betsy. Um uh. Something that happens on a sitcom
set often is uh, you everybody gets so obsessed with
the jokes, with the comedy, with the beats, it starts
to become who's getting the biggest laughs, who's getting you know,
And not like in a bad way. It's mostly supportive.
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It's mostly like, oh my god, did you see what
Will is doing this week? Do you see what Ben's
doing this? And we would be we would be aware
of the sort of bigger swings that people are taking
comedy wise, that we would totally as a community overlook
the more subtle, basic performances that somebody like Betsy is
doing in this episode, which is just as hard, by
the way, but I bet you more than anything, Betsy
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was probably disappointed as an actor often that she didn't
get more laughs, that she wasn't being written a better role,
because when you're on a sitcom, you keep thinking, where
am I going to get my chance to like get
a joke in or you know, get a laugh or
have a whole episode about me. But the reality is
she's wonderful in this episode. She's very small part, but
she's wonderful. And same with like Rusty. I feel like
we probably just breezed over this scene in our minds
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because it wasn't like as funny as you throw in
the bag, you know, so like that, like what will
we talk about the next week? We're not sitting around
going Rusty is monologue and you know, you just totally
take it for granted. But the reality is it's genius
because it's so understated, so simple, so believable, and in
this could have been so cheesy in the hands of
a wrong actor, like it's a it's a monologue on
a sitcom. When he nails it, he just one of
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the things I was thinking about, which is interesting, And
again I don't know why my mind went to this place.
Was they easily could have made it Betsy's mom and
given Betsy a better role this week oh yeah, Like
it could have been Betsy giving the lesson. It could
have been Betsy giving the monologue, because because now Alan
has done that in a number of episodes, and it
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easily could have been an episode where they really left character.
They were, ye, they were very focused on that would
have been good. Yeah, it would have been great, and
it would have it would have actually, you know, taken
Betsy's character to the next level. But it was Alan again,
which again he nailed it, of course, but that went
through my head, was like, break the Betsy character here,
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break the Amy character here, and they just didn't. The
answer is, I think a lot of male writers and
a lot of boy p o V and the that
boy on our show, the boy p o V was
very heavy, heavily reliant on his relationship with his father
more so than teacher, and his male teacher and his
hand and you know what that is what it is.
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I don't know why that hit me, but I was like, man,
I would have broken the Amy character. Yeah, okay, I
don't want to. I don't really want to break this open,
but man, it felt like a sideyard. Okay, I was
going to bring it up. I don't want to. I
didn't want to get into a fight with anyone here.
I was like, wait, where are the mums? Where's the car? Well, okay,
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the same thing. There got a lot of questions about
how she pulled up and came in. Did you say
that when she ran she ran out? And did I
thought if she went to the right downstage, you know,
toward camera, that then it could have been a side yard,
like that's where she pulled up, because he's talked about
the moms being right there in the area where we
do those scenes over the fence. But instead she ran
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toward the back the treehouse, free house. She ran upstage
toward the treehouse, which makes all that means that her
car was probably either in the front of Penny's house,
like further to exactly, like maybe there's a driveway that back, yes,
camera right, Okay. I always thought it was a sideyard
my life, Okay, and then I but I was like,
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I'm gonna watch this episode, I'm gonna see I'm gonna
try to do the math on this. Listen. The truth
is it's a very weirdly designed set up because the
writer says the front door of the Matthews house where
Rue McClanahan walked into thunderous applause is directly opposite that
back door, which means that is a backyard. However, there
are also double doors in the living room that go
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out to somewhere, So what does that go out? And
I'm picturing, so like when I'm picturing, looking at it,
just as like my brains just filling it in. It's
like I'm seeing I'm looking from the front, right, that's
what you think, right, But they're looking from the front
of the house, right, like my brains filling in that wall.
That makes sense because they're coming in. But I also
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know many people use the side door to enter their home,
so it's like this is not uncommon, so maybe front
door it feels like a front it's red. Yeah to me,
it's also to me it just in my head. Maybe
it's an East Coast thing, you know, different than a
West Coast thing. But are we never call somebody who
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lived behind us our neighbor. It's like I live next
to my teacher, he's my neighbor. That to me, everybody everyone, Okay,
Never it's always like, oh no, they live behind us,
or they're my neighbor. That's always how we would say it.
This episode kind of changed it for me where I
was like, it's a backyard, but I was also wanting
to defence ever get higher. I was so surprised a
(41:47):
byt Hello. Defence was the whole time there the whole time, right,
it was they wanted an intimate neighborly relationship. It really
is also a tiny backyard. I mean that's if that's
the backyard, it's that's true. Yeah, I think it's let's
let's be honest. It's the nineties. It was whatever was
convenient in the moment. We were ruying anything. So um,
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we get this amazing scene. We get this amazing scene
with with Alan and Corey, and then the Winnebago shows
up again. We hear lakukaracha. Grandma comes in and tells
Corey that something came up. He says it's okay that
they didn't go. Eric then runs in and says, quick, dad,
if Phoenie comes in here, I've been in my room
for the last twenty minutes. Sure enough, Phoenie comes walking
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in and he says that Eric and his hormones need
to stay inside the house. And Grandma stands up and
and says, I will vouch that he's been in his room,
and um, Phenie says, well, that's impossible because your car
just ran over my mom's and that's pretty much the end.
She runs out to go, I guess what, run over
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more of hers more. She wants to run over more
more of the moms. Yeah. I would love to have
seen some type of real scene, not just that, but
like a real scene between Bill Daniels and Rue McClanahan,
I know, just old school actors, Like some scene of
just the two of them, to me would have been awesome.
I wonder what their relationship was. I wonder if they
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knew each other before. I don't know, just knowing the
how small Hollywood is, especially back then, I wouldn't be
surprised if they had worked together and knew each other.
But that seemed like a missed opportunity for me. And
I understand that it's a kid show and you know,
two older people on some might not whatever, but that
to me as an actor, I was like, man, I
would love to have seen them, you know, something more
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than what their characters would have been good with each
other because she was like three wheeling and having fun.
That's why I wondered After watching that, I was like,
I wonder if she was supposed to be recurring, and
like I wonder why that didn't happen because she was
such a great character. She could have gone at odds.
I mean, she could have been at odds with anybody
on the show, So I wouldn't be surprised if they tried. Yeah,
I mean that's one of those negotiation things, like she
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paid a certain amount and then she was like, I'm good.
I'm good. Then our tag Corey and Shaun around the bed,
admiring Corey's baseball card the grandma got him from a
swap meat, and Sean says that his grandma must really
love him because that car card is about a hundred
and fifty dollars, and Corey realizes that it's possible she
killed a man in Reno just to watch him die. Um.
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This made me laugh though, because anyone who knows right
or strong, the idea that he has baseball card knowledge
at his fingertips is so not rider that I would
have had at this point. I would have had garbage
pale kid knowledge. That was the only card I ever collected,
as I had a big garbage pale kid collection. I
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organized it. I thought it would be worth money. Someday
it probably would be worth money, and I can't find
it no way where it was. They are actually worth it,
They are right. I should have kept them. And then
Magic the Gathering cards came later, not at this point,
but I would have been collecting magic within no, wait,
at this point, it probably was already. It was probably
by then, yeah, because I know I was an unlimited
I bought. I bought my first paxtor an unlimited Magic
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the Gathering. So if somebody wants to backdate that and
find out, um, so I would have been playing magic.
This was November of ninety three. I think I was
already playing magic, all right. Anyway, those are the cards
I would have cared about. That was so funny, Rider
talking like, no, this card cal Ripken. He had to
look up what cal Ripken even was. Writer, your hair
is glorious in this scene. It's really got a lot
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going on. I was like, actually pretty surprised by it
because I felt like I remembered it more as a
straight mushroom situation, but it had like death and coral
and it's really where I noticed they straightened his hair
with the round brush and it was so shiny. It
was it was really and it was long. I felt
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like maybe you needed a hair cut here, but it
looked great. Yeah, it's really it was really classics. It
was really great. Well, Lauren, Um, I'm so thankful that
you were here with us this week. And where can
we find you? Where can we watch you? Also? I
want to talk to you really briefly. You have an
animated show coming up, right, Crimes? Can you tell us
(46:03):
about that? Yeah? It's really fun. It's um, it's me
and Nicole Buyer, who is one of my good friends
and also is just so Hilarious's also the host of
Nailed It if people watch that on Netflix. But um,
she's on five trillion shows. I think she had five
billboards unventur at the same time. Recently. I was like,
this is not fair, what's happening? Um, But she deserves it.
But we are it's like a it's like a send
(46:25):
up at like SVU and stuff like that. So it's
like we're detectives solving crimes, but we're really raunchy and
like you know, nasty women. It's really fun. Um can
see you? Where can we find you? Tell us your socials?
Give us all that information. You can find me on
Twitter and Instagram at Lauren lap Kiss and my podcast
Threedom and Newcomers that I do with Nicole Buyer, where
(46:47):
we watch things we've never seen. We've been covering all
of the Marvel cinematic universe and mercifully it's coming to
an end soon and I cannot wait so much. Yeah. Yeah,
we watched twenty watched twenty movies. Um, there's twenty seven though,
so we're not watch really did you watch them in
chronological or or release date? Chronology or release date? Yeah,
(47:12):
not chronological, So I'm sure there's back. Yeah, there's a
whole formula for starting with Captain America. You're gonna have
to go back and do it again. Then, okay, good,
you're a fan, you love that stuff. I mean, I'm
getting into it. I'm I'm finding a lot of joy
um where I can. But I'm so glad my son
hates all things Marvel and that has just made my
(47:34):
life so much easier. We did Star Wars for an
episode and I was like, if I have children who
love Star Wars, I guess at least I'll know what
this is now because I've been avoiding my entire life
and I'm afraid but you had never seen the original
Star Wars New Hope, so you really were more of
a TV kid huh yeah, oh yeah yeah, and there's
a fantasy yeah. Um. But anyways, so yeah, those are
(47:56):
my podcasts and then I don't know, you can just
watch me on random show Good Girls all streaming on Netflix,
and I really enjoyed being on that show. And my
movie The Wrong Missy it's on Netflix. And that's that's it.
We'll see what happens next. You're just You're so talented
and I love you and I love being a mom
of you with you me too. Lauren has the cutest
baby girl who's about to be one. I still need
to rspp to your party. We're coming. Oh yeah, oh
(48:18):
good great? Um yeah, and you have the cutest children
in the world. And it's been so great having you
guide me in so many moments with new baby. Oh
my god, it's crazy babies. Alright, Well, um, thank you
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out there a few years ago after that con, I
(49:05):
was like, you know, people don't know that, but it
was really Lawren's idea. So thank you for this, and um,
you're so welcome and I'm so glad you're doing it
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Welcome back. We're doing a real deep dive here with
Lauren Lapis on episode number one oh seven. Grandma was
a rolling stone. This episode is a little bit of
a doozy, so see beelt yourself in uh and welcome
back to the show, Lauren Lacus. Okay, so we see
Carrie Russell in the backyard and her mound of hair stunning.
Daniel unbel I thought, maybe they can't have to pay
(00:40):
in this episode because there's just too much hair, too
much from that would make too much hair in one episode.
I didn't remember. I don't I remember when Carrie Russell
then cut her hair when she was on Felicity and
it was a huge deal. It was the it was
on the news. And then watching this episode, I was like, yeah,
that's newsworthy. I can't believe she cut that. I honestly
(01:03):
I can't either. I was looking at it going if
I had that hair, well, I think I would look insane.
But if I had that hair, I could take over
the world. That's like amazing hair. She just and she's
so cute. I mean it's it's just like you automatically like, oh,
that's he must go out with her. You can't go
with her, and by the way, what a cute couple.
I know, cute. I remember almost nothing about her except
(01:26):
that she was so nice to me. I mean, she
could tell this was like my She'd been in the
business forever, she'd done a bunch of stuff. This was
like my sixth episode, and we would sit in between scenes.
I remember we would sit we were at the Disney
lot of the time, and our trailers were outside, and
we would sit on the the on the curb and
we talked about music and we talked about but I mean,
she was just like she kept me chill kind of
(01:48):
the whole week. And maybe that's one of the reasons
I was more relaxed during this episode. But I distinctly
just remember how nice a human being she was. She
was great. Did you have any sort of crush on her?
Of course I had a crush, She's Carrie Russell, but
I never liked, never tried to like hit on her
or do anything inappropriate. But it was But I mean
it's hard not Did she have somebody? I honestly I don't.
(02:09):
Did you have a girlfriend? Were you dating Nicki Cox
at this point? Maybe you may have been dating Nikki
because Nick just been on the episode. I may have
been dating Nikki. I have no idea, and dating is
put in quotes, by the way, his fifteen year old dating. Um,
But but it was she was fifteen. I was um,
but yeah, it was. It was. She was just Yeah,
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she was so sweet. I have no idea if she
has a boyfriend, but she was. She was so nice
to me and very easy to work with and and
was like kind of running me through the what certain
things in the script meant, which we'll get into in
the later scene. I can't wait to see because she
translated something for me in a very funny way that
always stuck with me, So I can't wait. We will
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get to that in a later scene. This incredible leap
over the fence. Can I talk about this scene really
quickly because it looks great and it's awesome, and I
was terrible. We did this scene. By this point the
audience had left. We had shot the scene once or
twice badly. It was not this take, and Michael was like,
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let's move on while the audience is here. Then he
got rid of the audience and we shot this scene
over and over and over again, and I could not
get it right. It was because of you or was
it because of me? I was He didn't think I
was big enough. I wasn't doing it right. I so
certain things. By the way, notice you can't understand what
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you're not doing that needs to be done, and you're
not doing it. But I don't know why. Don't do this,
don't do that. So if you notice the first though
in this scene, I hop over the fence and then
I reached for her, and you see me pull my
arm back. And it's because in the takes before, Michael's like,
don't touch her. You would never touch her, You would
never her jump over the fence and then just touch her.
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So you watch me. I got I like make a laugh,
and I go to reach for her and I shoot
my handback. So it's like this brought me right back
to shooting this thing where it was you actually remember
those individual beauts. This this scene is burned into my
brain because it was again focused on me. Audience gone,
I can't get it. Jeff Sherman, who's one of the
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writers and produces the show, still remembers the scene. He's like, oh,
I remember you that night. And so we're sitting there
and I'm doing and I'm doing it over and over again.
And then comes the bag tossing, and I've now tossed
the bag ten times, and I just it's so good.
This is crazy that it was sound, but I had
that's the thing. So the last time I did it,
because you hadn't made the sound, I added the sound,
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which I've never done before. I went, let me and
if you listen to that is the most Wilfordell moment.
It's so like that is the thing that Will do.
Like you tell them to throw a bag and throw
it and it's funny, and it's kind of funny. But
then Will will add that little thing that makes it
it's perfect. I knew when I heard it. I was like,
that was Will. That was not in the script. And well,
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that's the thing. You hear a huge laugh under a
ginormous laugh. The ginormous laugh is fake. They added that
the audience is gone. It's the machine. But if you listen,
you can hear all the producers and the directors defawing.
And that's when I knew I had had it. Right
after that, I go to reach for her again and
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I pulled my arm back again, like you still can't
touch her, Still can't touch her. But I gotta go
frame by frame on this, and you can hear, I
mean in my head, and I can hear the difference
between the fake laugh track and them actually laughing. And
that was the tuning fork I was talking about. It's like, oh,
that's the huge laugh like I felt, it was so natural,
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And that scene is what changed the whole thing for me,
like changed the whole show for me. Was that scene
at probably one o'clock in the morning, because we're all adults,
there were no kids in the scene. In the scene,
no she we shot her out by that point. So
that's what you filmed in front of the audience, you
use you used the lily takes from the audience shoots,
and then all makes sense. Yeah, exactly. And then there's
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the rest is just Carrie and myself and Bill there
at like midnight or whatever. And we finally got that
scene and like Lauren said, Carrie breaks, And I'm not
knowing that that was I thought that was like part
of it that she as the character was also laughing
at Eric. But now knowing that you added that it
was probably a real break. Maybe I don't know. It
looked like there was some authenticity to that to mean it.
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That's really that was a great scene. That was a
very important scene for me, and because I burned into
my head, one of the things I wrote down is
that the scene isn't It's one of the first times,
uh that it isn't this. The scene is entirely dependent
on your performance, do you know what I mean? Like
the story of the scene is that you are flailing
or that you are performing, like even when you're doing
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your gritted teeth thing, like this is one of those
scenes where it doesn't work unless perform at this level.
I'm retroactively nervous. Thank you. It's true though we were
still we're still all finding ourselves as actors. I mean,
we've talked about it. The only person who and we've
said this before, writer and you don't agree, but it's true.
The only person who seemed to know what they were
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doing and have their character down from the second they
stepped on set was you. Yeah. The rest of us
were still trying to figure it out, and you were
Sean from word one of the pilot, so it was
like they didn't know what Sean was, but you already
had that. So it was we're still flailing as we
go and I can look at me and go, oh
I got it there, whereas you I was like, yeah,
writer already what he was doing. So Lee was another
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one who kind of right from the right from the
get knew what he like, had his character bill um
you know the rest of us. I was just I
was founding around. So this was an important one for me.
So in the scene, uh, Morgan is there. She does
her little lines to try and get Jessica to go
out with with Eric, and Morgan convinces Eric to take
her to the carn of All with Jessica, and phoene says, um,
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you know that you should probably invite me, and so
Eric reluctantly invites Poene and Phoeney says he'd rather have
gum surgery than go to the carnival, and which was
kind of dark. There was like a moment where the
camera like followed him like it was sort of like
not how it typically looks like, it kind of like
followed him as he said the joke and he left
the scene. I was like, whoa, he does not want
to go. It just got real's got real driving that
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point home. He does not want to go. So then
we're back in the kitchen and Corey and Amy have
made four batches of muffins. Corey says they should call
the police in case something bad happened to Grandma. He's
worried about her, and Amy says she has known Grandma
for a long time and there is something that Corey
should know. And Corey then realizes that Grandma is not
coming to get him, and then Corey says it's not
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a big deal. It's just a stupid road trip, and
Amy suggests that Corey calls his best bud, Sean. Corey
then says, yes, I'll call my best budd Sean on
and now exactly what we had talked about in the
previous episodes, the best bud, this is my go to guy,
has now been well established. You guys think maybe this
is where I got my last name? Yes, yeah, because
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I would Has Phoeny ever called me out in class,
because I would be the only time that we would
have heard my last name. I don't think he has
I know he said Mr Matthews, Ms Lawrence and didn't
didn't he say? Mr Hunter and Mr Minkus When they
both slapped their heads like they're now they're they're teamed up,
must have right, he wouldn't said Sean. And well, I'm
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trying to remember what did it say on the script page.
Did it say Shaun or did it say Sean Hunter? Becausember,
the first page of the script was always it had
the character's names and then the actor playing them, um,
and then you'd get on the first page of the
script it would always said all the characters and the
actors playing them. And like, I think my name was
like the fourth or fifth one in that list last names.
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Don't remember said our last name? Said our last names? Yeah,
so I think Sean Hunter. Yeah, you probably always because
it's right because he was Stuart Lemky when we when
we first started, we talked about that. Yes, yeah, so
I think I do think it was probably in there,
but this maybe maybe it was one of the first
times you heard it out loud on the show instead
of knowing it just privately. What your name was funny,
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Like a little bell went off in my head in
this scene. I think it was that at the time
I remember getting a last name, like I remember being
exciting that or maybe it was just that I was
excited that I was referred to as the best friend.
So I knew that you might never work for me.
My question was they obviously hadn't established your family life,
but going forward, I could never remember because they switched it.
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Your chet was always gone and you always lived with
your mom, or Shawn's mom was always gone and you
always lived with his dad. It's both, It's both. It
goes both way because I think basically my dad abandoned
me because he was a traveling salesman and I was
always with my mom. But then my mom literally left
our lives right right right like and bailed on me.
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And I don't know if that's in until my teens
or when that happens, but right so, at this point,
I could be living with my mom and Stacy like
a lovely household somewhere that then dissolves in a few episodes.
Yet the storyline that your mom left your family is
definitely the one that resonated the most to me because
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I when he says, oh, Mrs Matthews, my first thought was, Oh,
his mom's around in this opening me because we did
whole episodes about her coming back. I think we did.
That's what it was. I thought the same guest start,
but because I think we ended up having two different moms.
Didn't I two different actresses. I don't know I had
three moms. Yeah, everybody had multiple parents on the show,
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except for the Matthew. Speaking of moms, because we've talked
about the first few episodes, we we've harped many times
and rightfully so, and we could do it again with
this episode about how good Rusty is amazing, so that
Betsy is really good in this episode. So yes, she's great,
and I don't think we talked about that enough because
she does anchor. I mean a lot of things we've
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talked about. They they've really given her the domestic role,
which again nothing wrong with that, but she always seems
to be in the kitchen or cooking something or something like.
But she is really really good in this episode. She
really is. And I thought the way we touched on
it earlier, but I thought the way even she approaches this, listen,
I've known your grandmother for a long time. Um. It
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didn't have the feeling of like, sit down, we need
to talk. It had the feeling of listen, people are
going to disappoint you sometimes and Grandma has a tendency
to come and go and this may be one of
those times where you're disappointed, and it was like a
weighty message without feeling like you were drowning. Yeah, And
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it wasn't like the and also which we'll talk about
later about this same with the dad, where that's that
same thing. It wasn't like that sitcom moment where the
music comes on and you get really sad and you
feel bad about how your grandma doesn't care. It's like
they framed it in such an interesting way that I
just thought that was really smart and it felt like
really authentic to life, like some people are like this
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and that's okay, like you could still love her. Yeah,
no judgment really Yeah. Um, So Corey calls his best
bud Shawn, Mrs Matthews answer, Mrs Hunter answers and says
that sean fishing, which is great. That's a great little
story twist. It was very cute. Um. And so for
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Corey and I know, well he really he he was
really bummed by it, like it was compared to and
maybe he was just projecting his his anger about the
cal Ripken thing onto that, but like considering he had
been so excited about cal Ripken, he really seemed significantly
more bummed about the fishing situation than he did about Grandma.
I think it's also his responsibility. You know, he forgot
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the can blame but himself. It's so much worse that
he just because I forgot, like created this situation. I
love that be true. It's not out of his control.
It was totally in his control. So he just feels bad. Yeah,
So we're in the backyard. Corey is sitting in his treehouse. Morgan, Eric,
and Jessica are back from the carnival. Morgan is still
feeding Jessica the lines that Eric has told her. Jessica
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asks who the signature is on Eric's arm. She seems
a little jealous, flirty, jealous. Jessica says, it's obvious he
used Morgan as date bait, and she said he didn't
need to work so hard or really even at all.
And they start kissing, and Corey is watching from his
treehouse and Alan and Sean walk up behind them as
this kissing is going on. Now, will this is your
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first on screen kiss ever? Did you guys kiss her?
In rehearsals? We did. She taught me not to put
your tongue down. The script meda, Okay, I know that's
happened to people so that I will never forget this.
Script says, and they kiss dot dot dot a good kiss. Oh,
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I don't forget that. And I said to her, what
does that mean? And without missing a beat, she went
tongue the opposite it was. It was that it was
kind of she said it to tongue in cheek. Sorry, um,
but that's exactly what I'll never forget that. I said,
what does that mean? And she went tongue and that's
literally what the script said, dot dot dot h speechless.
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So it was that's the difference between like a peck
on the lips, yeah, look like a real kiss, or
you're moving your head around in her case that giant
mound of hair. That's kind of all you see. You
don't really see the kiss. And again, there was no
reason to French kiss. He didn't have to. But she
knew the industry. She knew she like she knew what
this meant because we had talked about I was like,
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this is my first on screen kiss, and the first
run through our teeth bumped. I've talked about this before.
Like I moved in too fast and I hit her
teeth and I was like, that's it. I'm never kissing
anyone in like, I just I'm done. People don't realize
how hard it is to just do everyday normal things
as an actor. Everyone is offering at you. You got
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all the producers and everyone staring at you, and it's
Carrie Russell in front of you, and our teeth bumped
and then my whole that's all was in my head
was like, oh my god, I just smashed this poor
woman's teeth with my own and I'm never kissing again.
And that was a good run as a lover and
I'm done now. But I think I think you're lucky
that she explained how to do it, because that takes
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the pressure off you, like, because it's so uncomfortable and
I and it's very uncomfortable for both people, especially as kids,
to be like, um, how am I supposed to approach this?
And I don't want to ask like how do you kiss?
Or you know, it's like it's very like tough, and
so she made it very easy for you just to
say that's okay, we're doing it this way. I started
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asking when I was about eighteen, and it was a
girl a week writer. We both went through this were
just that's your part. Now you're gonna kiss girl. It
was like I started asking what, like, how would you
like to do this because it's just I mean, it's
it's creepy too, and when you know not to jump
way ahead, but the screen episode where I'm kissing love,
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people are like, wow, it looks like you just jam
your tongue down the throat and I was like, well,
I did a for the joke and be she was
actually my girlfriend, like she knew we were going to kiss.
But if it's Hi, it's nice to meet, like Marguerite Moreau,
and she came on, another wonderful actress and a really
nice person. It was like we talked a little bit
about it because it wasn't just like Hi, it's nice
to meet you. Now I have to jump on you
and throw my tongue on your throat. It's really creepy.
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So it was and a lot of that is because
of carry because Carrie was like, this is what it means,
this is what we'll do, and she kind of held
my hand and walked me through it because it was
it was hugely uncomfortable. It was it's just everyone talks
about that, like, oh man, you got to kiss all
these girls and you got to do all this and
it's like it's not awesome. You think it's you might
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think it is, but it really is horribly uncomfortable to
do in front of an audience and hearing people go
whoo and all this. It's really uncomfortable. Well, and chemistry
is not is something that like you can't put your
finger on and just because they want you to have
chemistry with someone doesn't mean you actually do have chemistry
with somebody. And not everyone kisses the same, not every so,
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like I would say in response to what Will just said,
like there were times when it was fun, but totally
other times when it wasn't, and it really just depended
on the person and that it wasn't whether they were
pretty or not. It was just literally that chemistry thing.
Like there were times when I was like I do
not want to have to kiss this person again, like
it is awful, and then there are other times when
you're like, oh, that was fine. Also, we we should, seriously,
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we should at least address because especially in this day
and age, it needs to be talked about the kind
of power disparity disparity that's going on. Because we're regulars
on the show, so we we have a job. We
know we're going to have a job, and here's somebody
who's coming on who is a guest cast and it's like,
I'm going to do whatever the regular because I don't
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want so it puts puts the actors in a position
of saying, I'm not going to actors, your tongue down
down my throat, you know what I mean, puts the
put the guest actors in a position. These these young
women coming in having to say I don't want you
to put your tongue down my throat, and you're putting
them in that position, and a lot of people at
the time, especially, I don't know, it's just it's weird.
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The whole situation is just the role of an intimacy
coordinator makes so much sense to me. I love that idea.
I mean, i'd never heard of that when we were
you know, we never never existed, and now it's become
pretty standard on sets, and I love it. I think
that I've never worked with them personally, but I totally
think that that's a necessary role because, you know, because
you can't just trust that a director or a producer
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is gonna have the you know, the wherewithal or the
experience or the delicate tone or whatever is situation or
the morality. Right, There's a lot of different ways this
could go, and I think having an assigned person just
to you know, navigate that with the actors is great.
Um and yeah, an essential role, but yeah, I mean
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that's basically what we're talking about, is the need for
an intimacy coordinator. Laur Unless your experience with on screen kisses,
Oh my god. I always thought I would never have
to do it for some reason, and I've had to
do so many crazy, crazy, amazingly hysterical moment in Jurassic
World though, where you stop him from kissing it's like
one of my favorite gads. No, no, okay, totally. That
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was very fun, But like the I've had, My first
one was like a music video and it was like
supposed to be really nasty, like spit. We had fake
spit in our mouths. Yeah, yeah, but it was still
my first time doing it, so I was like, oh no,
and then like it's like the spits dangling between the
two people. It was just really rough. And then I'm sorry,
was I don't want to delve into that, but I
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have to. Was it supposed to be funny or was
it supposed to be sexy crazy? No, it's supposed to
just be kind of like weird, Like it's a it's
a music video where like Food is singing, like there's
just a lot going on, like it's that they might
be giants video, Like it's kind of like weird already.
This song is weird, the music video is weird. All
the weird um. And to do the video because I
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love that band. But yeah, the kiss rough because you
have to have this like it's like cherry flavor but
not you know, And I was like gagging really, and
then you don't want to be gagging at someone that
you're kissing. It's like that's not that's not polite. So
Danielle really disgusting. It's like the idea, it's really it's
like it's actually gonna make me. It's gonna make me
gags because I know, I know, I know it really
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is sick um. But it's disgusting that idea of like
a mouthful of fake spiff and then leaning in with
something in your mouth to kiss somebody. I know, because
you're holding it like you're like keep talking about it.
We don't need to keep talking about but I know
I've had to do a bunch of weird kisses or
like kisses where they're like make it a good one,
sort of where someone's like can you really do it
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this time? And it's like okay, and then you look
at the other person like okay, and then you just
really do it. But it's like, geez, like, it's just
a weird job. It's a weird job. That's the thing
you're at work, you're at it's like, it's just it's weird. Yeah. Well,
Terry Russell was very, very nice and took my hand
and kind of I really appreciate that. And then when
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I've definitely had situations where I've been so grateful for
extra communication and as I as I, you know, work
more and more, I feel like I get more confident
saying like here's how we're gonna do this and whatever.
But I definitely in the first time is doing that
kind of stuff, didn't say anything and felt more like
I'm just going in my own little world as we
prepare for this moment and then we have to do it,
and you know, so it's strange to me. We've talked
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about a little, but it's very strange that in the nineties,
kissing on a kids TV show was a totally normal thing,
and now it does not seem to be the case. Right,
like family sitcoms I don't think have this component. Why
is that? I mean, because it's not like we've gotten
more conservative, is it? Is it because we've actually gotten
like there's more access to porn, so like we don't
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like people don't like you watch a kids show, you
don't need to watch people kissing. You can go find
that somewhere else when kids can find it, and there's
so many shows that are beyond their age. It's because
the accessibility of that kind of content has been like
completely enabled, right culturally, like we can find if if
kids want to find watch people kissing, I guess you
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can search for that, right so on. But back then,
it seems like you were servicing the idea of like
like all being slightly luscifious, like like having to be
a little sexy, and that was like part of the
who But now that we just seem out of place,
like it's I'm not watching the show for that, you know.
I wonder if it's because it was like t G
I f if you think of that, like families gathering
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around to watch, so you want to give something for everyone.
It's like there might be the seventeen year old kids
sitting there, there might be an eight year old, there
might be a data mom and or whatever. So it's
like that. It was like you're pleasing a bunch of
different audiences in one show, which we don't really before.
That's what I was gonna say. It's it's there's no more,
for lack of a better phrase, in between shows, it's
either Disney Channel or it's um, you know a family show,
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like like, um, what was the Modern Family? It's like
the idea where it's kind of like in between now.
So just like Lauren saying where it's like kind of
teenagers making him out on Modern Family, well, you know,
they take it even farther. They talk about sex and
she got predic to talk about it. But do you
watch people? Yes, there was there was an episode where
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you know that you walk in and the parents were
in we might have to dug this we're in, I
mean like literally, Okay, It's like it's like so it's
one of those things where I guess that's on a show.
I mean, that's on a television show. I wouldn't believed
you without the description. I believed you when you said that, yes,
they go there. But can I throw another suggestion or
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another idea that maybe is there a possibility? And maybe
this is just my hopeful, wishful thinking, but like, is
there a part of it that also is about that
the people writing the content are now uncomfortable asking real
twelve because I know that when I do think that's
a part of it, because I know that when I
have been on sets, the conversation around well, we would
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never ask a child to do that, well, we would
never have. We would never like, we're not doing that
because that's an uncomfortable thing to ask any fourteen year
old to do? Is now? And they weren't asking that,
They weren't asking that question. We were actors. It didn't
matter whether or not we were uncomfortable or comfortable with it.
Whatever the writer wrote is what you. You did, and
you were made to feel that if you did have
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some if something did make you uncomfortable, it was inappropriate
for you to express that. You weren't really supposed to say,
I don't want I don't want to do this, I
don't want to feel comfortable. You're a prop as an actor,
basically you say the words that we do what's written
on this page, no questions asked. Having autonomy as a
child actor is very difficult, you know. You you you
start to believe that if you if you stand up
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for yourself or do or do not want to do something,
or do or do not want to say a certain
line a certain way or whatever, you feel like you're
making waves and you feel like you're part of a problem,
and it's and so unhealthy, you know, And I, you know,
I just started not listening. I mean, you were always
in front of me at the notes session because I
would always go I'd get notes and I go okay, okay,
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and you guys would joke with me later like you
and Ben would walk by and go like okay, okay,
knowing that what I was actually doing was was just
going all right, and then I'm going to do it
however the hell I want to do it, and that's
just what it's going to be. So that, I mean,
that was there's a great kind of freedom in that
where it's like, at the end of the day, I'm
the one standing in front of the camera. So unless
you're gonna walk out onto the set and move my mouth.
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I'm going to say it the way I want to
say it, um, which which some. But in the meantime,
we're going to keep you after the show is over
and keep doing this scene over and over and over again.
So so will for what you're saying is like you
were in a battle of wills and they were going
to keep going until you made But that came later
that the oak just saying okay and doing it my
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own way probably wasn't until about fourth or fifth season.
I mean that was like later in the day where
I was like, I got this now, and so I'll
listen to your notes, but I'm gonna do it the
way that I want to do it, um. And that
was I got that from Bill and Rusty, And when
you saw when they got notes, they were like all right,
and then they go and rehearse and it was like,
let's really blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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And so there was like the power grab. I don't
even wasn't even a power grab. It was just trying
to balance it again where it was just kind of like, okay,
we're not We're past the point of just put the
words in my mouth? Um, which was which is crazy? Hey,
this is Bobby Brown and I'm relaunching my podcast The
(27:53):
Important Things. What's important to me is everything from how
to live my life, how to run my biss business,
what to do if I feel anxious, what to do
if I'm overwhelmed. Certainly I will tackle a lot of
the issues about getting older. I will tackle with curiosity
a lot of the issues about what should we be eating,
(28:15):
because everyone tells us something different and I'm just curious
how other really busy, interesting women get things done. My
first episode is Giada de Laurentis, who is adorable and
gave such great information. Talked to Jenna Elfman, Gabby Reeese.
I mean, come on, the woman knows everything. Talk to
(28:36):
Jillian Michael's and that's going to be a great one.
I hope that you will come along for the ride
because it's been really fun to do this. So listen
to the Important Things with Bobby Brown wherever you listen
to podcasts. Okay, so we have Sean comes in wearing
a funny hat. Yeah, now that's where I can trime in. Now, Okay,
(29:02):
if we are really going to get to that, what's
up with the hat, the best hat. That's three but
the hat is like it's three's you know. They were
just like let's let's let's let's say they went fishing
as boldly and it was like, yeah, it was movie,
it was. This is actually a very I would say
(29:22):
this scene is one of the most sitcommun scenes evert
from start to finish, like all the wooze, the kissing,
the jokes themselves, Eric the lipmaster. This feels like this
feels like the show Boy Meets World was most of
the time, not do you know what I mean? This
is like, this is us kind of failing to distinguish
ourselves from pretty mainstream, like not great sitcoms. This is
(29:44):
like joke, joke, joke, me and and he so yeah,
it was like of course, of course, like yeah, it
congratulating him on kissing her. But I did get a
laugh from Corey at the end, like you kissed of
Phoenie or of these days swap spit with a phenie
with It was categorizing her as you know, I know,
(30:07):
I know, categorizing her as like a phenie. That was
just great because it's act she's so cute. It's like
that's just a funny way it is. It was a
funny way of thinking about it, calling her a phenie.
It's really cute. So this is the first reference to
Sean eating so much. Did you guys catch that? Actually
did write it in? Because we talked about on the show,
I'm always eating and scenes, and this was it was
actually written in, So I guess it was a character.
(30:27):
It was the character saying that you probably were not
eating at home and so everywhere you were, Yeah, you
were always eating. But going back to you being the
most adjusted actor already, you actually ate in scenes. And
I mean to the point where all actors. When I
was literally maybe an hour before we came on this
(30:47):
podcast watching an episode of Sopranos, and these amazing, multi
award winning actors are pushing their food around with the
good man. That's what good acting is. But when you
really go some times it really works. Like I was
just watching something I can't remember what it was, and
it was a more recent thing and the girl was like,
I mean, I mean all these donuts and I was like, no,
she's not. And then she's still there with a donut
(31:08):
and she literally picked off a corner of a think.
I was like, show don't out in your mouth. I'm
gonna need you to shove in your mouth like you
actually ate. And they're all all these shows. We just
when you push around the food with your fork. Agree.
I like to see people eating. I really do. It's great.
Well maybe maybe I would agree with you, but I
have PTSD from you and it makes you sick. I mean,
(31:31):
I've definitely gone for it. Like I was on the
show Good Girls and I had to eat some donuts
and shove them in my mouth as part of my
character being like sloppy, and I just kept going. But
by the end I was like spitting them out and
like it was just just getting disgusted. It's like, you know,
you can commit to a point, but true, it's the
it's the push around in the fork shake. The fork
shake is big. You put one piece of food on
(31:51):
the fork and you shake it over the plate as
if that is fake eating. And it's as you're doing
your line, you're just shaking your fork. That is a
common one. The mood of the four. Yeah, it's very strange,
but right are you always eight? Very impressive? So Corey
tells Alan he didn't go to Baltimore with Grandma because
she didn't show up. And then we move into the
kitchen and there are hundreds of muffins everywhere and Alan
(32:16):
tries them and says they're a little dry. He says
he's been in Corey's shoes before with grandma not showing up,
and he tells a story about Grandma not turning in
his permission slip in school so he couldn't go on
a school field trip. And so we go. We go
from the least boy meets World seeing to the most
world you know what I mean, Like this is what
made the show special Rusties performance, giving this monologue, the
(32:38):
casualness of them just setting down and having this without
like the special music playing, like you were saying, like
there is there's an effortlessness to this scene. And it's
it's diffusing, right, it's diffusing all the tension. It's telling
Corey like you're spinning out, dude, Like you're just being
a kid right now. And and I'm going to tell
you this life lesson, but it's going to be relaxing.
It's not like it's not like you're in trouble. It's
(33:00):
not like any you know anything, anybody did anything wrong.
This is just life, kid, And that it's like such
a great tone. It's also not from Phoenie, which I like,
we don't get a lesson from Poenie at all in
this episode. It felt like the kind of lesson that
I wish more people gave, do you know what I mean? Like,
I feel like it's not something that you hear very often.
(33:21):
Um Like, I just think a lot of shows would
have made that a big dramatic, sad thing that his
grandma's like this. Maybe when she comes back in they
have like a heart to heart and she explains why
she's like this or something, And it was just more
like he got to kind of accept it, and he
just and he accepted it really well, like he just
was like, okay, yeah, not to be the person who
(33:43):
always has like the therapy background on the whole thing. Please.
I think the thing that is the most interesting to
me about this scene is that it's all about p
o V. And we regularly tell ourselves stories about our lives,
and Alan could have very well and he would have
been correct if his p o V had been my
(34:06):
mom always abandoned me. When I needed my mom, she
wasn't there, and in big important moments in my life,
I couldn't count on her. That's a p o V.
That's a p o V from his experience he could
have had. It's the same po V Corey could have. Now,
my grandmother made me a promise about something I was
so excited about, and when I trusted her, she let
(34:28):
me down, or the same exact situation from just a
different p o V. A different story we could tell
ourselves is Grandma is flawed, and sure, she may not
be there after she's promised to be there. But on
the other hand, the moments when she's made it up
to me, the other moments when she is there for
me are so salient to me because they were so special.
(34:51):
And that my mom wasn't watching the you know, the
the takeoff, she was watching me, and I knew she
was watching me, and I knew, yes, that was good,
Like it's it's it's great, it's it's a great description
and you know it's not and I would I would
just add it's also redirecting to the relationship versus a
a very specific experience, right, Like I'm not going to
(35:13):
hold on to one memory, I'm going to hold onto
this relationship ongoing. Like I could hold a grudge or
I could just let that one go because I know
there's another one coming that that's going to be great.
And so it's it's redirecting from you know, this one
specific memory or this one loss to you it's better
to have a relationship with this person in the long run.
And I can't love people in slices. You take the
whole thing or you don't. Yeah, And there will be
(35:34):
conflict in every relationship. There will be conflict. And it
doesn't mean that that person is bad or that relationship
is necessarily bad. It's just that there will be conflict
and there will be moments of being let down in
every relationship. And and it it doesn't need to be
you can tell it. You can tell a story to
yourself that could make it way worse than it is,
(35:56):
or you could tell the story to yourself that's much
more like, this is the person, These are their flaws,
and I love them anyway, and here are some great
things about them. I just it was like it was
I just thought it was a very well thought out
p o V for them to have, not only just
to see how well established and like, what a what
a great well rounded person Alan is, but also that
(36:19):
that's the story he's going to pass on to Corey
about his grandmother instead of you know, your Grandma's gonna
let you down a lot. Yeah, I really every time
we watched these shows now, I really wish I had
understood how good Rusty was when we were doing these episodes.
I know he's so good, and I wish I thought
(36:41):
about something I thought about earlier when we were talking
about Betsy. Um uh. Something that happens on a sitcom
set often is uh, you everybody gets so obsessed with
the jokes, with the comedy, with the beats, it starts
to become who's getting the biggest laughs, who's getting you know,
And not like in a bad way. It's mostly supportive.
(37:01):
It's mostly like, oh my god, did you see what
Will is doing this week? Do you see what Ben's
doing this? And we would be we would be aware
of the sort of bigger swings that people are taking
comedy wise, that we would totally as a community overlook
the more subtle, basic performances that somebody like Betsy is
doing in this episode, which is just as hard, by
the way, but I bet you more than anything, Betsy
(37:22):
was probably disappointed as an actor often that she didn't
get more laughs, that she wasn't being written a better role,
because when you're on a sitcom, you keep thinking, where
am I going to get my chance to like get
a joke in or you know, get a laugh or
have a whole episode about me. But the reality is
she's wonderful in this episode. She's very small part, but
she's wonderful. And same with like Rusty. I feel like
we probably just breezed over this scene in our minds
(37:44):
because it wasn't like as funny as you throw in
the bag, you know, so like that, like what will
we talk about the next week? We're not sitting around
going Rusty is monologue and you know, you just totally
take it for granted. But the reality is it's genius
because it's so understated, so simple, so believable, and in
this could have been so cheesy in the hands of
a wrong actor, like it's a it's a monologue on
a sitcom. When he nails it, he just one of
(38:06):
the things I was thinking about, which is interesting, And
again I don't know why my mind went to this place.
Was they easily could have made it Betsy's mom and
given Betsy a better role this week oh yeah, Like
it could have been Betsy giving the lesson. It could
have been Betsy giving the monologue, because because now Alan
has done that in a number of episodes, and it
(38:28):
easily could have been an episode where they really left character.
They were, ye, they were very focused on that would
have been good. Yeah, it would have been great, and
it would have it would have actually, you know, taken
Betsy's character to the next level. But it was Alan again,
which again he nailed it, of course, but that went
through my head, was like, break the Betsy character here,
(38:50):
break the Amy character here, and they just didn't. The
answer is, I think a lot of male writers and
a lot of boy p o V and the that
boy on our show, the boy p o V was
very heavy, heavily reliant on his relationship with his father
more so than teacher, and his male teacher and his
hand and you know what that is what it is.
(39:17):
I don't know why that hit me, but I was like, man,
I would have broken the Amy character. Yeah, okay, I
don't want to. I don't really want to break this open,
but man, it felt like a sideyard. Okay, I was
going to bring it up. I don't want to. I
didn't want to get into a fight with anyone here.
I was like, wait, where are the mums? Where's the car? Well, okay,
(39:37):
the same thing. There got a lot of questions about
how she pulled up and came in. Did you say
that when she ran she ran out? And did I
thought if she went to the right downstage, you know,
toward camera, that then it could have been a side yard,
like that's where she pulled up, because he's talked about
the moms being right there in the area where we
do those scenes over the fence. But instead she ran
(39:58):
toward the back the treehouse, free house. She ran upstage
toward the treehouse, which makes all that means that her
car was probably either in the front of Penny's house,
like further to exactly, like maybe there's a driveway that back, yes,
camera right, Okay. I always thought it was a sideyard
my life, Okay, and then I but I was like,
(40:20):
I'm gonna watch this episode, I'm gonna see I'm gonna
try to do the math on this. Listen. The truth
is it's a very weirdly designed set up because the
writer says the front door of the Matthews house where
Rue McClanahan walked into thunderous applause is directly opposite that
back door, which means that is a backyard. However, there
are also double doors in the living room that go
(40:43):
out to somewhere, So what does that go out? And
I'm picturing, so like when I'm picturing, looking at it,
just as like my brains just filling it in. It's
like I'm seeing I'm looking from the front, right, that's
what you think, right, But they're looking from the front
of the house, right, like my brains filling in that wall.
That makes sense because they're coming in. But I also
(41:06):
know many people use the side door to enter their home,
so it's like this is not uncommon, so maybe front
door it feels like a front it's red. Yeah to me,
it's also to me it just in my head. Maybe
it's an East Coast thing, you know, different than a
West Coast thing. But are we never call somebody who
(41:26):
lived behind us our neighbor. It's like I live next
to my teacher, he's my neighbor. That to me, everybody everyone, Okay,
Never it's always like, oh no, they live behind us,
or they're my neighbor. That's always how we would say it.
This episode kind of changed it for me where I
was like, it's a backyard, but I was also wanting
to defence ever get higher. I was so surprised a
(41:47):
byt Hello. Defence was the whole time there the whole time, right,
it was they wanted an intimate neighborly relationship. It really
is also a tiny backyard. I mean that's if that's
the backyard, it's that's true. Yeah, I think it's let's
let's be honest. It's the nineties. It was whatever was
convenient in the moment. We were ruying anything. So um,
(42:10):
we get this amazing scene. We get this amazing scene
with with Alan and Corey, and then the Winnebago shows
up again. We hear lakukaracha. Grandma comes in and tells
Corey that something came up. He says it's okay that
they didn't go. Eric then runs in and says, quick, dad,
if Phoenie comes in here, I've been in my room
for the last twenty minutes. Sure enough, Phoenie comes walking
(42:32):
in and he says that Eric and his hormones need
to stay inside the house. And Grandma stands up and
and says, I will vouch that he's been in his room,
and um, Phenie says, well, that's impossible because your car
just ran over my mom's and that's pretty much the end.
She runs out to go, I guess what, run over
(42:55):
more of hers more. She wants to run over more
more of the moms. Yeah. I would love to have
seen some type of real scene, not just that, but
like a real scene between Bill Daniels and Rue McClanahan,
I know, just old school actors, Like some scene of
just the two of them, to me would have been awesome.
I wonder what their relationship was. I wonder if they
(43:15):
knew each other before. I don't know, just knowing the
how small Hollywood is, especially back then, I wouldn't be
surprised if they had worked together and knew each other.
But that seemed like a missed opportunity for me. And
I understand that it's a kid show and you know,
two older people on some might not whatever, but that
to me as an actor, I was like, man, I
would love to have seen them, you know, something more
(43:35):
than what their characters would have been good with each
other because she was like three wheeling and having fun.
That's why I wondered After watching that, I was like,
I wonder if she was supposed to be recurring, and
like I wonder why that didn't happen because she was
such a great character. She could have gone at odds.
I mean, she could have been at odds with anybody
on the show, So I wouldn't be surprised if they tried. Yeah,
I mean that's one of those negotiation things, like she
(43:57):
paid a certain amount and then she was like, I'm good.
I'm good. Then our tag Corey and Shaun around the bed,
admiring Corey's baseball card the grandma got him from a
swap meat, and Sean says that his grandma must really
love him because that car card is about a hundred
and fifty dollars, and Corey realizes that it's possible she
killed a man in Reno just to watch him die. Um.
(44:19):
This made me laugh though, because anyone who knows right
or strong, the idea that he has baseball card knowledge
at his fingertips is so not rider that I would
have had at this point. I would have had garbage
pale kid knowledge. That was the only card I ever collected,
as I had a big garbage pale kid collection. I
(44:40):
organized it. I thought it would be worth money. Someday
it probably would be worth money, and I can't find
it no way where it was. They are actually worth it,
They are right. I should have kept them. And then
Magic the Gathering cards came later, not at this point,
but I would have been collecting magic within no, wait,
at this point, it probably was already. It was probably
by then, yeah, because I know I was an unlimited
I bought. I bought my first paxtor an unlimited Magic
(45:00):
the Gathering. So if somebody wants to backdate that and
find out, um, so I would have been playing magic.
This was November of ninety three. I think I was
already playing magic, all right. Anyway, those are the cards
I would have cared about. That was so funny, Rider
talking like, no, this card cal Ripken. He had to
look up what cal Ripken even was. Writer, your hair
is glorious in this scene. It's really got a lot
(45:21):
going on. I was like, actually pretty surprised by it
because I felt like I remembered it more as a
straight mushroom situation, but it had like death and coral
and it's really where I noticed they straightened his hair
with the round brush and it was so shiny. It
was it was really and it was long. I felt
(45:43):
like maybe you needed a hair cut here, but it
looked great. Yeah, it's really it was really classics. It
was really great. Well, Lauren, Um, I'm so thankful that
you were here with us this week. And where can
we find you? Where can we watch you? Also? I
want to talk to you really briefly. You have an
animated show coming up, right, Crimes? Can you tell us
(46:03):
about that? Yeah? It's really fun. It's um, it's me
and Nicole Buyer, who is one of my good friends
and also is just so Hilarious's also the host of
Nailed It if people watch that on Netflix. But um,
she's on five trillion shows. I think she had five
billboards unventur at the same time. Recently. I was like,
this is not fair, what's happening? Um, But she deserves it.
But we are it's like a it's like a send
(46:25):
up at like SVU and stuff like that. So it's
like we're detectives solving crimes, but we're really raunchy and
like you know, nasty women. It's really fun. Um can
see you? Where can we find you? Tell us your socials?
Give us all that information. You can find me on
Twitter and Instagram at Lauren lap Kiss and my podcast
Threedom and Newcomers that I do with Nicole Buyer, where
(46:47):
we watch things we've never seen. We've been covering all
of the Marvel cinematic universe and mercifully it's coming to
an end soon and I cannot wait so much. Yeah. Yeah,
we watched twenty watched twenty movies. Um, there's twenty seven though,
so we're not watch really did you watch them in
chronological or or release date? Chronology or release date? Yeah,
(47:12):
not chronological, So I'm sure there's back. Yeah, there's a
whole formula for starting with Captain America. You're gonna have
to go back and do it again. Then, okay, good,
you're a fan, you love that stuff. I mean, I'm
getting into it. I'm I'm finding a lot of joy
um where I can. But I'm so glad my son
hates all things Marvel and that has just made my
(47:34):
life so much easier. We did Star Wars for an
episode and I was like, if I have children who
love Star Wars, I guess at least I'll know what
this is now because I've been avoiding my entire life
and I'm afraid but you had never seen the original
Star Wars New Hope, so you really were more of
a TV kid huh yeah, oh yeah yeah, and there's
a fantasy yeah. Um. But anyways, so yeah, those are
(47:56):
my podcasts and then I don't know, you can just
watch me on random show Good Girls all streaming on Netflix,
and I really enjoyed being on that show. And my
movie The Wrong Missy it's on Netflix. And that's that's it.
We'll see what happens next. You're just You're so talented
and I love you and I love being a mom
of you with you me too. Lauren has the cutest
baby girl who's about to be one. I still need
to rspp to your party. We're coming. Oh yeah, oh
(48:18):
good great? Um yeah, and you have the cutest children
in the world. And it's been so great having you
guide me in so many moments with new baby. Oh
my god, it's crazy babies. Alright, Well, um, thank you
for listening. You can follow us at Pod Meets World
Show on Instagram. You can email us your thoughts at
Pod Meets World Show at gmail dot com. And also
we've got merch We've got t shirts. At pod meets
(48:42):
World Show dot com. There are I think three shirts
that you guys can get. Lauren, you let me know
which one is your favorite. We'll make sure we get
you assured. And uh yeah, and Lauren, you know, also,
just thank you so much for this. Was your idea
for us to start this podcast, and it's really when
out there a few years ago after that con, I
(49:05):
was like, you know, people don't know that, but it
was really Lawren's idea. So thank you for this, and um,
you're so welcome and I'm so glad you're doing it
and my royalties. Yeah, but now to the audience, we
love you all. Pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is an
(49:27):
I heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel Wilfred
l and Ryder Strong Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman.
Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,
Tara sup Boch, producer Lorraine Vierez, Engineering boy meets World
super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle
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(49:49):
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