November 15, 2025 • 48 mins
It’s a somber week for the Daniettes, but they must cha cha on for the star-studded 20th Anniversary episode of Dancing with the Stars.
Rider experiences a total 180, somehow finding excitement in a Danielle-less episode, even wondering if this was his week favorite yet!
We get into possible Mormon Wives conspiracy theories, some clarity on judging logic and why Derek Hough is the most deserving critic on the panel.
Plus, some new predictions as we head into the semi-finals on Pod Meets Twirl’d!
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome to pod meets Twirled, the Dancing with the Stars
recap hosted by two guys who can't dance, don't want
to dance, and have now seen nine episodes of Dancing
with the Stars. But since our best friend Danielle joined
the cast for thirty four, we're going all in. We
are Wilfred Ell and Ryder Strong aka the two dudes
standing next to Topanga aka daniel Fishal's backup aka the
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dan Yettes.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello Will, Hello Rider.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How was our first episode with no Danielle?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It was fine, you know, it's obviously it's it's lost
a bit of its allure.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
For me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm still in on trying to see who's going to win,
but I can detach myself from it more. I don't
have the same anxiety watching the show. I'm not rooting
for it as much as I mean, our friend isn't
on it anymore, so it's a little different.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I had a little interesting journey. I was not looking
forward to this. I was really ready. Yeah, I was
just like, you know, are we still doing this? Do
I care about the show?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And then you started.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think this was my favorite episode of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Really well, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
First of all, it gave perspective on the rest on
the history of the show, which was so important for
me because I've seen nothing and getting a sense of
how deep this and how long this show goes, I
was like wow, and I really came to appreciate it.
I loved the dances. I loved like getting glimpses of
the past, past dances and past competitors. I really enjoyed.
(01:50):
It was like an education in the history of Dancing
with the Stars and I don't know, like yeah, yeah,
it gave me a sense of like continuity. It gave
me a lot of respect for all the figures of
the show, all the judges, like I just I just
came to I don't know, you know, it was like
a little recap for me. And then I really thought
the dancing was incredible this week.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So yeah, I liked it. I find and again I
understand why they're doing this, especially for the twentieth anniversary,
but they they really waded into the cheese factor this week.
I mean, it was heavy on the cheese this week
of just you know, the past and the people we've lost,
and I get it. I mean I understand it, but
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there's a kind of like a self importance to it?
Does that make sense? Where it's like, look what we've
done in the history of Dancing with the Stars, And
I get it, and I know that it's been hugely important.
And I loved seeing like young Derek Huff when he
started dancing, and then that was incredible, incredible how a
baby looked like and then seeing them to get into
to lens seat all that, Like those journeys were really
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really cool to watch, but it was. But I find
these same things with a lot of award shows too.
It's just it's very melodramatic a lot of times for
really not much reason.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But see, I like that. I guess I like the
cheese because here's the thing. None of this matters, right,
just like the Oscars. None of this matters. Actually, what
we're talking about is a seemingly meaningless thing art, Like
you know, it doesn't dance. It is not going to
change the world in so many ways. So I find
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it really nice when show business leans into its importance
and says like, hey, actually this is big, a big deal.
These are human beings going through this, it matters. I
like that because I feel that often and I feel
like Hollywood is superficial and gets this rep for being just.
But it takes so much work to do these things.
It's so much energy. It does take people dedicating their
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lives to being a host on some random TV show
that we're all watching that's getting huge ratings. So I
tend to go the opposite. I'm like, because it's so meaningless.
There's a need to say, hey, actually, you've been on
this journey for a long time. If you're watching this
right now, there's a reason you care about this because
people have dedicated their lives and their energies towards it
(04:11):
and are still doing that. Let's appreciate that for a moment.
If it was every week, I agree, But like, you know,
one a year, when the Oscars come around, I'm excited.
I'm like, yeah, man, let's let's highlight this the effort.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And you know, because if we don't know, you're not
forget the Oscars. You're not highlighting the effort. You're highlighting
the people that are there. You're highlighting who what dresses
you're wearing, and the four hours on the red carpet.
I don't care about self important, but that I don't
care about the red cart that you don't. But that's
part of the of the night. That's part of the
glitter and the glamour that pagenger of and the pageantry.
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And to me, I've never liked that. I've never been
into the pageantry of anything. To me, contententry for pageantry's
sake is just like, let's see how big a thing
we can produce and make a thing that's kind of
important seem like it's really important, Like oh my god,
who had the best supporting actor this year in a
film they only made twenty million dollars to do? And
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to me, I'm like, like, I just don't care.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean, I think it's the other side of that coin,
which is, you know, the sound mixer who has dedicated
their entire life has the chance to win an award
and get up on stage with their peers and say
what I do is important.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So absolutely a lot of that is not that same
night as the actors and everything. It's a night before
that isn't even televised.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well sure, but you know, I just think that in general,
like what the I mean? I agree, Like I don't
care about like the Red Car. I never watch any
of that stuff, like who are you wearing? But the
actual the idea that the industry takes a moment to celebrate.
Like for me, the nominees are always the most important
part because who gets nominated tends to actually be because
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they're nominated from within their own discipline, right, So like, sure,
you know, actors nominate the actors. Sound mixers nominate the
sound mix like those professionals. It's a chance to recognize
each other. And I tend to find that the nominees
usually I agree with. I'm usually like, those were the
best of this year in film, and so I I
just think it's a it's an opportunity to recognize, you know,
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hardworking people.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No again, I have no problem recognizing hardworking people at all.
I think it's amazing. I think recognizing the art is amazing.
But I think needless pageantry. It's like Miss Universe. I'm
sure all those women have worked very hard to do
that pageantry. I don't care. It's to me. I just
the the kind of the glitter and glamour of things
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for the sake of glitter and glamour. Have just and
it's a personal thing. Have never done it for me.
I find it to be a little bit cheesy. I
love the idea that they're doing, like, hey, here's the
dancers that were part of the show that we've lost.
That's that's important stuff in saying that, but it just yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well, in this case, it's not for me. Glitz and
glamour is the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's the show.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's part glitz and glamor. I thought, okay, let's get
into the opening montage. Was I thought, fantastic, great, a
great way to get a glimpse of seasons as. And
then this opening dance number incredible, incredible, the Pros dancing.
I was just like wow. And then to find out
that Derek did the choreography. I was like, oh, that's
why he's here.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I apparently won for Emmys just for choreography.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
This guy, like that was one of the greatest like
dance numbers, the best dance number I've seen the Pros
do this season.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was incredible. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And then when they announced that he had done it,
you know, and they gave him recognition after the fact,
I was like, well, that makes sense why he's in
the judge and see he is so good. He is
he deserves so much credit because that choreography was astounding.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And starting with the original dancers. Was was a great
way to start because again, we don't know any of
these people. We know, we were going in totally cold.
So seeing all that, yes, no, I loved all that stuff.
I just some of it tonight got it just a
little heavy for me for for what it is. That's
all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
All right, first dance up Laine and Allen doing a salsa.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Lots of green, lots of green, lime, green everywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
This had such a nineties vibe to it. Yeah, like
Eve with the squiggles and his shirt and like all
of Yeah. I thought this was a really good move
stylistically for her. I felt like, you know, we've because
like the last couple dance, I mean, obviously she didn't
dance two weeks ago. Last week was very conservative. I
felt a little boring. This was really fun and showed
that she can really dance. I was like, yeah, you
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you are you know. Of course, as the night went on,
got blown out of the water by Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I thought it was okay. I liked that it was
high energy to start, but yeah, I thought the dance
was just okay. Frankly, really, yeah, I did I thought
it was. I thought that the outfits for a little
much for me. Yeah, and again I love the high
and it might also be frankly, they they might have
been kind of screwed a little bit by coming right
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off of that giant dance number, Yes, where we just
saw these the best, arguably the best dances in the world,
doing incredibly choreographed thing.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So then this dance, which again I thought was okay, well,
but something was interesting because they were doing homages to
previous dances, right. What that meant is that stylistically, a
lot of the dances felt out of touch or like
you could you were watching them through the lens of
like several years or maybe ten years. And I kind
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of appreciated that because obviously, like trends change, costumes changed,
life and styles change, and like if you're trying, like
so much of this show has been trying to be
on the cutting edge of culture, like trying to be
cool and sexy or classy in a way that is
interpreted through the lens of now. Whereas because they were
doing homages to ten years ago, twenty years ago, within
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the last twenty it ended up kind of having like
a sort of permission to be a little dated in
a fun way. So like this one I was watching.
If this had just been presented as like a contemporary, current,
cool dance, I was like, eh. But because it was
through the lens of word paying homage to a dance
from years years ago, and then the whole set in
the style felt very dated to me or like hokey
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in a way, it was fun. It was like, oh cool,
we're doing it through, We're in, We're in. We're investing
in something that is a little cheesy, but we're just
going to go for it because it's, you know, an homage.
I like that approach the whole night. It made everything
a little easier to swallow from me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I thought it was I thought there's an interesting because
when we talked to Sharon or last week, it was
she talked about how the dances are changing all the time,
but at the same time they still have this to
have some kind of tether to the original dance. So
there's something interesting about that balance of we want to
make it look modern, but we still know that it
has to be based on something from the eighteen hundreds
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that that shouldn't change, right. So I dig that and
I get that I also think, and this is just
my personal opinion, I think personally, Danielle did better several
weeks than Elaine has, and so the fact that she's
still there and Danielle's gone, I think I'm holding that
personally against the Lane, which again is a stupid thing
(11:02):
to do. It's not a Lane's fault that people have
been voting for her, but I think that's one of
the things where I'm kind of like, I still think
Danielle was a better dancer than her, So maybe I'm
looking for things wrong with it, But I thought that
had this exact same dance been done last week or
the week before, it would have been four eights.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, they got nines across the board. I was definitely like, really,
maybe cannbe a little but I think we're at the
stage in the competition where es scores are just through
the roof.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I also liked how I did like how they came
in high energy and they started high energy you needed
to and so it was a good way to start
the night, I will say that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And then we went on to Robert and Whitney. In
their pre show package, he talked about going to some
event where Prince William was going to be there, so
then he got a call from Prince William.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Like you do like you do to him yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, and then they went into their dance, which was
an homage to his sister's dance and was very emotional
in terms of its background and its meaning.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I found the dance a look boring. I agree with
you one hundred percent, it's good.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I mean, obviously Robert can dance is great. But I
was like, okay, you know, and then you know, when
he broke down at the end, I was.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Like, yeah, it's a little much.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now. I know.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's a terrible that. It's a terrible thing to say
because it's obviously about his family, which is hugely important
to him. But this dance ended exactly the way the
dedication I ended, except he was holding his sister's hand
instead of his mother's hand. Right, He's obviously dancing with
the stars Royalty. His father hugely important in his life.
Nobody's trying to take anything away from that. He seemed
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his dad seemed like an amazing guy. Everybody loved him
huge in his country. But it doesn't it wasn't just
that to me. It's like at the end where he
was voted through. He gets this expression on his face
and like he jumps like he can't belie leave it
happened when he knows he's going to be voted through.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, my my, my hot take,
which maybe isn't that hot, is that they really want
Robert to win.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh, no, everybody wants I think everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, I mean the judges, the producer, the show wants
Robert to win because this was a straight up nine dance.
To me, this was not a ten, and they gave
it tens across the board and then later when they
do their relay thing, he did not deserve to win
that I feel no, I feel like so like this
was my first indication. I was like, okay, yeah, like
(13:33):
I get your this is there's a great story behind
this dance. But let's just look at that dance and
when they gave it tens and the comments that they
made like he was just the greatest, obviously the greatest
dancer that has ever graced us with his presence. I
was like, guys, he's already been great.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He is great.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You're not holding him to the same standard of like
you could do a little bit more, you could push yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you think they're going to give him a note?
You think they're ever going to go They didn't give
him a note. I have another hot take to add
to that, since we're talking about this. I also think
because it's ABC and Hulu, they really want to keep
Whitney around too, because Whitney is on their biggest thing
right now, which is The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
It's like the biggest thing in the network. She got
immunity this week from having to dance and got extra
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points the week before that she.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Was but he danced this week was insane. It was
len dancing tonight though, Oh my god, I mean, I'll
go yeah, I like, but I feel like when they
gave this all tens, I was like, oh wow, this
And I think that they kind of screwed themselves because
by giving this tense, they had to give tens across
the board because the other dances were genuinely better than
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this one.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Oh and Mormon Wives the new season apparently premiered this week.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, well, I thought Whitney's dance was incredible. It was great,
but I think Robert and Whitney here were like good
but not tens and so, but I feel like the
producers of the show, the judges of the show love
him so much. They want him to win. They gave
him tens and then because of that, I had to
stick with tens. There's so many tens because it was like, right,
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and we're not.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Bashing on Robert. He seems like the most likable guy
in the world. He's obviously working his butt off. He's
very good at what he does. Ye but they clearly want.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
To predestined things he's gonna win.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yep.
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Speaker 1 (16:30):
All right. Next up we add Andy Richter and Emma
Slater doing a quick step. Well, here we are, Andy
still in the show.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, and it just.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Kind of is what it is with an I know,
we'll talk about their relay dance later, which I thought
was much better than this one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, but again because it's through the.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Lens of this sort of like self conscious show busy
thing putting on the ritz.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I thought it was fun. It was fun. All of
his dances are fun. They're just not pticularly good dances.
So it's I mean, she is working her ass off,
his partner, he's working his butt off. Nobody nobody is
saying he's not. Actually, I would actually say this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Might have been one of his best dances. I don't
disagree in terms of like his feet doing the things
that they needed to do. I was like, oh, I
didn't because when he first walked down the steps, I
was like, he can't even walk down the stairs. He
was walking down the stairs sideways, and you could tell
that He's like yes, and so I was like, Oh,
this is going to be a disaster, and then it wasn't.
It was actually pretty.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Damn good, and I read looked great. I was like, cool, man,
you're doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I thought maybe he would get more eights than you did,
but yeah, eight seven seven seven. My wife was watching
and she was like, you know, we could have connected
with her more like that. He was kind of doing
his own thing and not necessarily connecting.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think he's probably trying to remember the dance and
counting the steps in his head as she's saying things
like six seven eight. I mean, I think he's got
nine hundred things going on. It's not effortless right now.
And again, I think that's one of the reasons people
kept voting for him, is because a they saw there
was some progress, and there clearly has been. You go
and watch this and you watch his first dance, there
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has clearly been progress. But it's also the fact that
you know he's working his butt off apparently he's a
TikTok machine where they're all just putting out these tiktoks
all the time, and so he's playing the game. And
you know, I don't fault him for it. It's not again,
I don't blame any of the dancers. The dancers aren't
voting for themselves, right, So, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
There was this moment later in the show where Andy
talked about what it was like being on the show
and how it was like all dancing and all TikTok videos,
you know, and he gave him a credit for pushing
him in both arenas, and I had this like weird realization.
I was like, Oh, this show is now like fifty
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percent of it is the social media. Yeah, at least
and like controlling that narrative and promoting yourself there, which
is not part of what like I'm watching right, Like
i'm watching this season. I'm looking at just what's on
the screen and what's being aired as part of this show.
But that's not even really that's half the show. The
other half of the show is what these people are
doing in social media and how they're forging their narratives
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and creating those stories. And like Andy has obviously been
doing really well at that and apparently Emma is really
good at coaching him in that arena as well. So
I just thought that was super interesting that we're just
at this point where a reality show like this is
not just the show, no barely any at all anymore,
it's what's going on every week on their social media
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pages and their TikTok in particular, And I was just like, Wow,
this is a it's a weird it's a whole new
media jungle out there. Seven completely a part of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I told you, I don't have an Instagram, kind
of have a Finsta account that I check occasionally, and
I looked at one Dancing with the Stars thing, and
now when I look at it, it's nine hundred people
talking about Dancing with the Stars, and it's I heard
this rumor, I heard that rumor? Or did you hear
about this? And then it's the tiktoks that Andy does
or the tiktoks that Danielle did. It's part of the job.
It is twenty four to seven. Wow, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
All right, they got eight seven seven seven.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I could have seen another eight.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, me too. I guess doesn't really matter in the end,
but at this point, I was like, Wow, is Andy
gonna stick around another week?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh? I thought he was, I thought.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
After the relay, I was like, Oh, the crowd's going
to love this, I thought. And we went into an
inn memoriam Oscar style, a dance going on in the
foreground with some pros while the screen was showing people
who had died. I was very relieved to realize that
not everyone they were listening had died this year. That
took me a moment because at the Oscars it's who
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died that year, and I was like, wait a minute,
Summers was this year and it was the same, and
it was like, no, it's just people who have that
they've lost in the twenty year history of this show
made a lot more sense. I was like, oh my god,
what a banner year for deaths. No, not the case.
I thought this was really sweet.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It was sweet.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
After the in memoriam, Dylan and Daniella bringing out the
Argentine Tango, my favorite dance, which made a couple appearances tonight.
The best yep passo doble kind of took over last
week and I was like, oh that one's good.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The Argentine Tango back on top. Just kills.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
These people are so smart to see you mouth everywhere
you go. Now, I love it so much. It was great.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This was insane.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
This was dance of the night for me. They both
just crushed it.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Oh my god, her swimming move at the beginning where
he's holding her up, the strength that it takes for
him to hold her, and the strength in her body
to say, rigid plank like that, why is kicking your
legs and make it believable and seamless and just crazy.
Oh my god, this was just so fun to watch.
It was expressive, It was sexy. The connection is just
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like brilliant, and like his ability to like be the
sort of frame that she's throwing herself around. And of
course I still she's the best dancer. I've never she's
the best.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
This week she's the best.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, And like he is rising to like be her
partner and god like I and and this is where
I felt like they went, oh, we shouldn't have given
tens to rush.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's because this blew that out of the water.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
There's no way if you give this tens that those
were eights like that, This is you know, this deserves eleven.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Or twenty different level. He also to me, Dylan looked
like and I turned to Sue halfway through, I was like,
he looks like a thirties movie star. Yes, like he
looked like Errol Flynn up there kind of dancing. It
was really amazing. I mean, they're both perfectly and I
know this isn't right because she's a professional, but both
perfectly castes as these two people going on this journey together.
It's like you couldn't have put two people together. He
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no one else could have done for him what she
has done for him. Dance once and he has stepped
up every and this was the first time. I was like, oh,
they both looked like pros. They fully both looked like pros. Tonight, Yeah,
dance of the night for me. He crushed it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, it was incredible. So yeah, ten ten, ten ten,
well deserved. Hell yah, man, I hope these guys make
it to the finale.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's but do you have competition anybody can beat Robert? No?
I don't either. I think it's already been progestined.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yes, I mean I think that the show itself is
really making it hard for anybody to beat Robert, which
I mean, I'm so curious what the what the audience
votes are, because I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
there's a little bit of backlash to that, because it
starts to feel like, oh, well, he's the obvious, and
then people will stop voting for him just because they
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assume that he's getting all the votes, and that might
you know, that might be somebody else.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I agree. And I was back east. Both Susan and
I were back east last week, and she was in Massachusetts.
I was in Connecticut, where both of their families, and
then we met up in the middle and wherever we went,
we were talking about Dancing with the Stars, and just
for the heck of it, I would start talking about
Dancing with the Stars with the waiters or the weight
staff or somebody who worked at a place wherever we were.
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I think of maybe the five people, six people I
talked to, four of them watched the show regularly. All
of them were voting for Robert. Wow. Every single girls, boys,
different ages, all of them are like, oh my gosh,
I can't I vote for Robert. Every week, every single
person was voting for Robert Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Okay, it's crazy crazy, then he probably will win.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, it's crazy, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Next up, we had Jordan and Ezra doing the Cha cha.
You know, I feel like she is in a tough
position because she is doing so well, she is committing
so hard, but I just don't feel like she's getting
the support for the same you know, in the same way.
But I thought, you know, their whole goal they talk
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about in the pre show was to try and be
sexy and passionate in a way that she hasn't been
able to showcase.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And I thought she nailed it. I thought so too, frankly.
And it was cool. It was a cool dance.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And I really appreciated Derek's feedback because what he was
saying was like, we know you can do the athleticism,
We know you can do the big moves, but what
your what your journey and your growth has been is
in texture and the way that you're learning to express
things with your body. And I felt that and it
was exactly what I was. I hadn't I couldn't put
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it into words, and he put it into words. And
I'm so glad he gave her a ten because I
thought that if we're going to reward people for their
personal journeys, if we're going to be giving Andy an
eight in a situation where he's clearly never going to
be more than a six or seven. Then somebody like
Jordan who is athletically move wise doing tens, but also
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growing emotionally and expressively in ways that is not super
easy for her, comfortable for her or immediate, we should
reward that too. This is this is her journey and
so and the point.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You were making before, were you and I not fully disagree.
I kind of agree about the pageantry a little bit,
but you know me with the kind of stuff. But
this was one of those times too, where you saw
how important Dancing with the Stars was to her because
in her preshow package she's talking about like as a kid,
all she wanted to do was learn every Dancing with
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the Stars dance. Here's a girl who from the time
or a woman now, but when she was a girl
was probably already a top athlete at seven eight years old,
but she wanted to come home and do the dances
with Dancing with the Stars. So I get the importance
of the show. I really do. It's just for me,
it's a little much, but I can see how for
someone like her it's the equivalent literally of I played
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little league. I'm always saying, oh, I mean my backyard
holding a bat going it's bottom of the ninth, there's
two outs. It's on me. This is her world series.
She's been doing this since she was a little kid,
and now you're on the biggest stage on Dancing with
the Stars. You've made it and you're trying to get
as far as you can't. I totally get that, and
I get the journey, and I get the importance. I
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just it's a little much for me, but I get
it all right.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They got nine, ten, nine and nine, which.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I could have seen two tens and two.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I was gonna say another ten felt deserved in this case.
I could have seen I could have seen Bruno giving
her how interesting. I was glad that they highlighted how
they have to mark their scores before they speak the judges.
I thought that was really because I wasn't quite clear
on that.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh remember did you hear early ones where they're like,
remember we were at the show, the first show, and
they're like, lock it in, lock it in. I the
one person.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Hadn't locked it in, I think, or Bruno hadn't locked it. Yes,
I but it was really cool to because I started
to think, like, aren't they influencing each other in their comments?
And it's really nice to know that's not the case,
that they're actually defending their scores or explaining their scores
before those scores are revealed. Actually, that's what the judging
is an opportunity to or an opportunity for. And it
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was also I loved hearing we'll get into later when
they do the flashbacks and they were talking about the
judges in their role. I loved hearing how Derek still
thinks of it as a teaching opportunity, right. He was like,
you go from coaching somebody all season and having hours
during their dance to only having.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Thirty seconds to give feedback and teach them.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I was like, that's so cool that he's looking at
this as a teaching opportunity and a and he's he's
so good. Man. Well that's why my respect for derekof
too just started to take him for granted. You know,
I've always appreciated his comments, but I didn't know the history.
I hadn't seen the history, lived the history, and man,
tonight really like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
To talk to him about his journey. But this is
you mentioned the scoring, so this is kind of an
interesting time to talk about this. So Sasha Farber, who
was one of the original maybe not one of the ogs,
but for years was one of the professional dancers. He
did a live reddit last week where he kind of
gets into the scoring system because we keep going back
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back and forth on what the hell the scoring is.
So I'm going to read a little bit of what
was said and see if we can try to decipher
any of it, because a lot of it is very confusing.
So it said after Bobby Bones, who was we talked
with Sharna that was her partner who they won the
whole thing and maybe shouldn't have. They talked about how
that kind of changed the ranking system. So if there
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are five contestants, you get one to five points based
on where you're placed on the judge's score, and then
one to five based on where you sit ranking based
on ranking with the votes, and then they combine the
two so it's not a percentage system. So then somebody
else explained it how this is how the scoring system
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in the German version works, and they think that this
is the same, but they show it on a leaderboard.
For example, five couples are left in the show. Couple
one has thirty thirty jury points, or the highest score
of five points they would get ranking Couple two is
twenty eight points, so they get four points, and so
on and so on. So where you rank on the
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leader board, you either get a five, four, three, two one,
and then they do the same thing for percentage of
votes that people call in, so you're five fourths. So
if you get the highest judge of scores, you get
a five, and then you get the highest calling scores,
you get a five. So your ten gets you through
to the next week. Is I believe how they do
it all. It sounds it's confusing as hell, but I
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believe that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, that actually it's it's a way to really boil
it down to like simple numbers, you know, so really
quick quick adding numbers. That makes sense, actually, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, And by the way, because we talk about this
is a big week because Andy left and they were
calling him the Bobby Bones of this season, and apparently
you and I just heard from one of our producers
as we came on that yesterday he came out saying
he returned his mirror ball to ABC because of all
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the hate he was getting from winning the show.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Which is kind of a strange move, Like, agreed, why
not just say okay, but that was you know, he
won fair and square by the rules that they said. Yeah,
I wouldn't feel the need to give that back, but.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Again, he's not voting for himself A million times other
people are voting for him. I agree with you one
hundred percent. I wouldn't have given it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Back, but apparently, like you know, I get it, like
it's but yeah, you want it fair and square, man.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know, I also don't get people going out of
their way to give a former Dancing with the Stars
champion hate for winning a show he doesn't vote for
himself on Yeah, it seems.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, but I guess he was promoting it a bunch
on his own radio show or something like that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But isn't everybody doing that with all the tickets whatever,
you go, whatever you got, that's like your platform promoting ourselves.
So yes, but that was the news apparently.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right. Next up Alex and Val doing the Fox
trot to sing it in the rain. I thought this
was subdued and classy and freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
A thousand percent agree with.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You, right, Like I love the old Hollywood sort of vibe.
Dressed dude, just such a cool move man, like, because
these two can do anything, like they've clearly done so
many different styles and energies, and to do this was
just perfect. It was like wow, and again I'm going
you guys screwed yourselves with those Robert scores because.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
They had to give this tense like you can't.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It doesn't compare once you had locked in tents for Robert,
it was going to be so high across the board
just to compare, because this was so much better, so much.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So classy and just elegant, and they were gliding through it.
This to me is like old school ballroom dance, you know,
just watching that with the beautiful outfits. They both looked gorgeous.
They were staring at each other with big smiles on
their I could watch this all day.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It was great, right, and again it wasn't like cutting
edge in terms of like current culture. It was it
was referential to old culture yea and like and really
just investing in something that is dated intentionally to say
like we're gonna we're gonna really go back in time
and and and do something that wouldn't be considered maybe
cool today, but make it cool again.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I love that too. All this all this fusion food
is amazing, but if you can just make a classic souflet, Yeah,
there's something about that that's amazing. Yeah. So yeah, I
loved it. I think they look great together. Again, they
could ease, they could win. Maybe it's maybe it's in
any other year they would win because it does seem
like they're just gonna give it to Robert. But there's
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three or four couples that could easily win this show
or should have a chance at winning the show. And yeah,
there are definitely two of them, because man, can they dance.
And I would say just from watching next to your
favorite dancer, Danielle. Next to Danielle, I think Val is
probably the next best dancer on the floor.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yes, and an amazing choreographer. C Yeah, he kind of
knows it too. Yeah, you get that vibe from him, right.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah. We didn't talk about he actually have.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Had a very humble speech about being an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
He loves it, he loves what he does. But the
one thing we didn't talk about was the very opening
move of Dylan and Daniella, where Dylan's got his leg
up and she just comes in and pops under his
leg that. Oh it was so like a dart. Yes,
so cool. Yeah, just set the toe for everything. Yeah
all right, Alex and Bal got tents across the board.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Well, so yep, deservedly so next up Whitney and Mark
and the Argentinian.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Tago stakes again, right, are so happy perfect.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It's just it's I mean, it was Danielle's breakthrough dance.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just feel like this is everybody's breakthrough dance. You
do tago, Well, it's you're moving your legs and their
legs are going up underneath other that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You get all those little flicks and weird kids, so
you're just like what you just can't take.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Your eyes off of it. And yet it's so like
just expressive. Oh man, totally.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So this was insane to me. And yes, like I
think this was her best dance ever. Yeah. And they
just they're they're so great man. I love both of them.
I Yeah, this was incredible to watch. And it was
at this point I was like, dude, if they don't
give them tens, I'm gonna be pissed. Yeah, And there
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was a moment where I was like, are they not
going to do it. Are they going to somebody going
to give her a nine and no tends a gross.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
The board had to be had. You're right, they said
they set the standard a little high at the beginning,
and then you kind of had to go from there.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Because I had to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That was It was really remark There were three or
four dances tonight that were really remarkable. I still think
Dylan and Daniella was dancing the night though, personally, So.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
This is going to be I mean, really, if we
just take the tens, it's Robert, Dylan and Alex and Whitney.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, that's going to be the top four.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
And I think that's it's just inevitable at this point, Like, yeah,
at this point in the night, I was going, man,
it could Andy could sort of eke out and stick around,
in which case I was going to say, a Land's
probably going home.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That's what I thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It didn't happen that way, and so now I'm like, Okay,
well now it's just going to be dancing.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, and it's going to come down to.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
The people that got the top top scores this week,
and I truly just waiting for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Andy was probably slightly disappointed, but I think he had
such a fun time, got farther than he ever thought,
and we probably walked away going like that was amazing.
I'm good and I'm glad that I'm glad he stayed,
and I'm also glad he's gone. Now. I think it
was time and you can now get to the The
cream is really rising to the top at this point,
I mean, there's it's amazing, and.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We went into flashbacks two seasons past.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Wait before I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I apologize to our
our faithful listeners because I was so upset with daniell
exit last week that many people pointed out that I
did not do Will's History of Dance. So I'm going
to do an in memorium Daniel Fischle dancing to Will's
History of Dance, which was Daniel's last dance was the
contemporary dance and so for people out there, because as
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you know, writer, I have an encyclopedic knowledge of all
things dance. We've established this at this point, does it
It didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Matter with contemporary to have an encyclopedic knowledge.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It matters an encyclopedic knowledge. It's an expressive and versatile
dance genre that emerged from modern dance, combining elements of
various styles ballet, jazz, and modern to create innovative and
creative movements. I love how to describe a contemporary dance.
They describe it as or I mean, I in my
head with my knowledge, describe it as a modern dance.
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So best way to describe.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Contemporary modern Yeah, kind of anything.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Kind of redundant, but it's a slow dance that isn't quick.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And then we went into flashbacks of seasons back and
profiles of the judges, with a nod to Len Goodman,
who I gather was one of the original judges and
a legend who has now passed. Like I said earlier,
I thought this was really cool. This gave me so
much appreciation for all the judges. You know, I feel
like we've you know, we've we've we've come, we've come
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at Carrie Anne a little hard we have, which sounds
like a lot of people are ye, and uh, this
gave me another more appreciation for how much she's brought
to the show, all of them. I was just like, oh,
this is a really interesting job. These people, you know,
they're they're up against it. In a lot of ways.
And then yeah, just seeing Derek when he was like
fifteen or whatever, he.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Looked like baby. It was unbelievable to see him out there.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, and on top of his choreography for the opening number.
I just my respect for him.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, yeah, we got to see if he'll come on
to Podmeets World. I know he's we love to have him,
And by that, I mean he's probably never heard of us.
There has no idea that we're doing this, but I
think both he having he and sister on because the
perspective of both sides would be very interesting. Of hosting
a live show like this every week, but also dancing.
I mean we've she danced that opening number and is
sitting there huffing and puffing trying to get through. Now
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oh wait, now I'm a host, so difficult for both
of them. We did come at carry in kind of hard.
I think rightfully so at the time, but that's also
anytime you put yourself out there nowadays, if you say up,
then everyone who likes down hates you. It's just the
way the world works. She handled it with total class,
like she did, and I think I think all of
her scoring and all of the judges scoring except for
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Robert this week, and I could see why they wanted
to give him high scores. I think was pretty spot on.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I agree. Then we do this relay section, which
I wasn't quite clear on what this was, and then
again felt kind of rigged, you know, like because who
they were partnered or who they were versus seemed like
a big deal, you know, like that kind of determines
like so the and then also the mirror ball passed
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mirror ball winners who they were dancing with, Like with Jordan,
she got another other big guy, Apollo, who hadn't danced
in thirteen years. Yeah, Whereas when it came for Alex
and Robert the last set of relay, she was like
last year's winners, both of them got the most recent winners.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, And I was like, that's a stacked deck. Yeah,
that's total.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
They were giving Robert and Alex a huge leg up
on everybody else. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Kind of pissed me off. Man, I don't disagree with you.
I have not liked most of these side little sojourns
that they're taking. It seems a little strang It seems
like a way to stack the deck of riggan again
to boost who you want and yeah, exactly, Whitney had
community got two extra points. She won the dance off
the week before it. They it's an easy way to
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kind of figure out next steps.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, so it was Jordan versus a lame Jordan one.
I thought that was kind of an obvious me too.
When you compared the two dances as good as Elaine was,
it was like, no, but it was cool to see
how how well they worked with another partner. I did
like that factor of this whole thing, you know that
they you got to see like these people have to adjust,
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and during the pre dance packages, I was like, oh God,
this is going to be a disaster, and it wasn't.
Pretty much across the board, it was solid. People were
agree and those now those people who admitted that they
hadn't danced in years really brought it. And you were like, oh,
I could see why you won, and made.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Me kind of wish I could retool all of Dancing
with the Stars. Yeah, because if I could retool all
of Dancing with the Stars, it would be two celebrities
who have to learn how to dance together. The pro
is teaching them how to dance. Every week, But the
actual dances every week are two different celebrities, double the
amount of celebrities that are there, first of all, and
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you're watching everybody kind of on equal footing. And so
you've got you know, it's a celebrity of celebrity, and
then you get your professional who trained you every week. Wow,
So you can never have somebody standing there while a
professional dances around you. It's always the two of you
together learning.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I wonder if that would just result in worst dances though,
you know what I mean, of.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Course, But that's I mean because you don't get to
see professionals dancing all over the place. But to me,
that would be a really interesting Maybe do a season
like that. Do one season where all the professionals do
all the interstitial dances and they train you all week long,
but on the floor it's just the two of you together.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I like that all right. Then we had Andy versus Dylan.
It seemed like a foregone conclusion that Dylan would win,
which he did, of course, but Andy had this shirt moment,
which didn't we make this very joke. I feel like
we made this exact joke that we were like, will
you'd rip your shirt over and you'd have one of
those muscle shirts under it. We made that joke and
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then they did it, and his commitment to it. At
this point I was like, you know what, I don't know.
I think Andy. I'm okay with Andy sticking around another
week because it was commitment, good dancing actually yeah, it
wasn't bad. Some of his best dancing. Yeah, and funny, entertaining,
I mean, all the things that we wanted to be.
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And it reminded me of of what we talked about
with you, is like, you would be best if you
entered Dancing with the Stars thinking of it as a character,
thinking of it as like a joke, as a as
a as a comedy bit. You would end up committing
more physically than if you felt the pressure to like
actually be sexy or you know. And I felt like
Andy came alive in the same vein when he was like,
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I know this joke is coming and this I'm gonna play,
and yet he physically ended up committing more than he
ever has.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It was really cool. See, it was a good moment.
It really was a good moment.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I was also watching Rumor Willis and the rehearsals going.
She won What's happening here? Is she any good?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
And then when she came out, she was amazing. Ye.
Together they were so good.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I was like, Oh, it's not just Daniella bringing up Dylan,
you know, like he's really working well with another partner
who's also amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Really incredibly well together. But that's what I mean, two
celebrities together, it could work.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Could be could really be great.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
So yeah, Dylan won this face off. Why these face
offs become these face offs again? I just don't understand.
And we ended with Alex and Robert, and this is
where they got the like the most recent dancers. They
got pros who are like fresh off of winning the
Mirror Ball. Their dances were really good. I thought Alex's
was insanely good.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I thought it was better than Robert's. Yes, that was
the only one I thought they got wrong. But that's
the thing. They want Robert to win. Yes, And I'm
about the fact that he kicks her in the face.
Did you see that in the back of I mean
he literally kicks her.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
In with that final move where he's like slamming her
to the ground, almost flipping her over and jumping back up.
I was like, what, this is crazy? And you know,
you see it rehearsals and you see how crazy it is,
and then they nailed it. Man, they really got the think.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
They got the wrong one here. I also think, and
I think you said this before. You may have changed
your tune. I don't know, but I was the entire
night of watching. I think the jive is my least
favorite dance. It's just it's not it's I prefer the
holding onto each other, classical kind of dance with some
moves in between, the kind of jive of the quick
step in them side by side. It's not my f
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And so that threw me a bit because it just
isn't my favorite dance. But I thought this was the
only one that they got wrong. I thought that Alex
deserved to win this round.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Frankly, yep, yep. I think most people felt that way. Yeah,
all right, and that was, uh, that was it for
the dancing. Then we just had the uh, the results.
I really was a shocked.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I was shocked. Absolutely. I thought I thought the fandi's
are coming out and it was becoming a thing, and
they just were going to keep him on. I didn't
think he was gonna win. I didn't think anybody was
gonna beat Robert, but I thought he was going to
be make it to the finals. Wow, So the idea
I was. I was convinced after starting the show and
the low scores that Elaine that this was going to
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be Elaine's last week of dancing.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well it will be next week, yeah, probably, that's what
we're looking at. Or when you have people with all ten, Yeah,
it's gonna be Jordan and Lane dropping off, which is
too bad because they both have great journeys. They do
incredibly well. And they said it in this episode, and
I've heard it a lot that this season is insane, yeah, stacked, snacky, ye,
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And I think in any other season Jordan and Lane
would have a genuine shot from what I gather at winning.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
But as with Danielle, that's what daniel we're talking about kill.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I know you've got When you have Robert and Alex
and Whitney and now even Dylan, you're just talking about
people that are taking it to this next level.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
But that's why I hope somebody like Dylan or Robert wins,
simply because these were two guys. And again, you're probably
right that Robert has been training to be on Dancing
with the Stars his entire life because he knew we
wanted to be here and it's his family legacy kind
of thing. But somebody like Dylan from where he was
to where he is now, to me, represents the show exactly,
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perfectly represents the show. Whereas Hey Whitney, the girl who
grew up dancing, who went to school for dancing, whose
dancer whole life and is now professional TikTok dancer wins
a dancing competition, that's not a headline to me at all.
Dylan Ephron comes out and wins. That's pretty impressive. Yeah,
and you're right that dance. Just the move. It's a
poster of him holding her in the plank position with
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the light behind them. I mean that is going to
be on some kid's wall who wants to grow up
and be a dancer. That's like, that's Michael Jordan dunking
on you in the dance competition. I mean it was.
That was insane. All right.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
That's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirld. Join
us next week as we continue watching season thirty four
of Dancing with the Stars. We may not know a
salsa from a jar of salsa, but we know what
we learned way back in Phoe' class. Daniel Fischele was
the star of the show. Podmeats World is an iHeart
podcast producer hosted by Daniel Fischle, Wilfridell and Ryder Strong
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executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge
of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara Subasch producer,
Mattie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World superman Easton Allen.
Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow
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at Podmeats World Show at gmail dot com.
Welcome to pod meets Twirled, the Dancing with the Stars
recap hosted by two guys who can't dance, don't want
to dance, and have now seen nine episodes of Dancing
with the Stars. But since our best friend Danielle joined
the cast for thirty four, we're going all in. We
are Wilfred Ell and Ryder Strong aka the two dudes
standing next to Topanga aka daniel Fishal's backup aka the
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dan Yettes.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello Will, Hello Rider.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How was our first episode with no Danielle?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It was fine, you know, it's obviously it's it's lost
a bit of its allure.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
For me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm still in on trying to see who's going to win,
but I can detach myself from it more. I don't
have the same anxiety watching the show. I'm not rooting
for it as much as I mean, our friend isn't
on it anymore, so it's a little different.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I had a little interesting journey. I was not looking
forward to this. I was really ready. Yeah, I was
just like, you know, are we still doing this? Do
I care about the show?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And then you started.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think this was my favorite episode of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Really well, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
First of all, it gave perspective on the rest on
the history of the show, which was so important for
me because I've seen nothing and getting a sense of
how deep this and how long this show goes, I
was like wow, and I really came to appreciate it.
I loved the dances. I loved like getting glimpses of
the past, past dances and past competitors. I really enjoyed.
(01:50):
It was like an education in the history of Dancing
with the Stars and I don't know, like yeah, yeah,
it gave me a sense of like continuity. It gave
me a lot of respect for all the figures of
the show, all the judges, like I just I just
came to I don't know, you know, it was like
a little recap for me. And then I really thought
the dancing was incredible this week.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So yeah, I liked it. I find and again I
understand why they're doing this, especially for the twentieth anniversary,
but they they really waded into the cheese factor this week.
I mean, it was heavy on the cheese this week
of just you know, the past and the people we've lost,
and I get it. I mean I understand it, but
(02:33):
there's a kind of like a self importance to it?
Does that make sense? Where it's like, look what we've
done in the history of Dancing with the Stars, And
I get it, and I know that it's been hugely important.
And I loved seeing like young Derek Huff when he
started dancing, and then that was incredible, incredible how a
baby looked like and then seeing them to get into
to lens seat all that, Like those journeys were really
(02:55):
really cool to watch, but it was. But I find
these same things with a lot of award shows too.
It's just it's very melodramatic a lot of times for
really not much reason.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But see, I like that. I guess I like the
cheese because here's the thing. None of this matters, right,
just like the Oscars. None of this matters. Actually, what
we're talking about is a seemingly meaningless thing art, Like
you know, it doesn't dance. It is not going to
change the world in so many ways. So I find
(03:27):
it really nice when show business leans into its importance
and says like, hey, actually this is big, a big deal.
These are human beings going through this, it matters. I
like that because I feel that often and I feel
like Hollywood is superficial and gets this rep for being just.
But it takes so much work to do these things.
It's so much energy. It does take people dedicating their
(03:50):
lives to being a host on some random TV show
that we're all watching that's getting huge ratings. So I
tend to go the opposite. I'm like, because it's so meaningless.
There's a need to say, hey, actually, you've been on
this journey for a long time. If you're watching this
right now, there's a reason you care about this because
people have dedicated their lives and their energies towards it
(04:11):
and are still doing that. Let's appreciate that for a moment.
If it was every week, I agree, But like, you know,
one a year, when the Oscars come around, I'm excited.
I'm like, yeah, man, let's let's highlight this the effort.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And you know, because if we don't know, you're not
forget the Oscars. You're not highlighting the effort. You're highlighting
the people that are there. You're highlighting who what dresses
you're wearing, and the four hours on the red carpet.
I don't care about self important, but that I don't
care about the red cart that you don't. But that's
part of the of the night. That's part of the
glitter and the glamour that pagenger of and the pageantry.
(04:43):
And to me, I've never liked that. I've never been
into the pageantry of anything. To me, contententry for pageantry's
sake is just like, let's see how big a thing
we can produce and make a thing that's kind of
important seem like it's really important, Like oh my god,
who had the best supporting actor this year in a
film they only made twenty million dollars to do? And
(05:03):
to me, I'm like, like, I just don't care.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean, I think it's the other side of that coin,
which is, you know, the sound mixer who has dedicated
their entire life has the chance to win an award
and get up on stage with their peers and say
what I do is important.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So absolutely a lot of that is not that same
night as the actors and everything. It's a night before
that isn't even televised.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well sure, but you know, I just think that in general,
like what the I mean? I agree, Like I don't
care about like the Red Car. I never watch any
of that stuff, like who are you wearing? But the
actual the idea that the industry takes a moment to celebrate.
Like for me, the nominees are always the most important
part because who gets nominated tends to actually be because
(05:46):
they're nominated from within their own discipline, right, So like, sure,
you know, actors nominate the actors. Sound mixers nominate the
sound mix like those professionals. It's a chance to recognize
each other. And I tend to find that the nominees
usually I agree with. I'm usually like, those were the
best of this year in film, and so I I
just think it's a it's an opportunity to recognize, you know,
(06:09):
hardworking people.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No again, I have no problem recognizing hardworking people at all.
I think it's amazing. I think recognizing the art is amazing.
But I think needless pageantry. It's like Miss Universe. I'm
sure all those women have worked very hard to do
that pageantry. I don't care. It's to me. I just
the the kind of the glitter and glamour of things
(06:30):
for the sake of glitter and glamour. Have just and
it's a personal thing. Have never done it for me.
I find it to be a little bit cheesy. I
love the idea that they're doing, like, hey, here's the
dancers that were part of the show that we've lost.
That's that's important stuff in saying that, but it just yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well, in this case, it's not for me. Glitz and
glamour is the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's the show.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's part glitz and glamor. I thought, okay, let's get
into the opening montage. Was I thought, fantastic, great, a
great way to get a glimpse of seasons as. And
then this opening dance number incredible, incredible, the Pros dancing.
I was just like wow. And then to find out
that Derek did the choreography. I was like, oh, that's
why he's here.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I apparently won for Emmys just for choreography.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
This guy, like that was one of the greatest like
dance numbers, the best dance number I've seen the Pros
do this season.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was incredible. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And then when they announced that he had done it,
you know, and they gave him recognition after the fact,
I was like, well, that makes sense why he's in
the judge and see he is so good. He is
he deserves so much credit because that choreography was astounding.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And starting with the original dancers. Was was a great
way to start because again, we don't know any of
these people. We know, we were going in totally cold.
So seeing all that, yes, no, I loved all that stuff.
I just some of it tonight got it just a
little heavy for me for for what it is. That's
all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
All right, first dance up Laine and Allen doing a salsa.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Lots of green, lots of green, lime, green everywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
This had such a nineties vibe to it. Yeah, like
Eve with the squiggles and his shirt and like all
of Yeah. I thought this was a really good move
stylistically for her. I felt like, you know, we've because
like the last couple dance, I mean, obviously she didn't
dance two weeks ago. Last week was very conservative. I
felt a little boring. This was really fun and showed
that she can really dance. I was like, yeah, you
(08:28):
you are you know. Of course, as the night went on,
got blown out of the water by Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I thought it was okay. I liked that it was
high energy to start, but yeah, I thought the dance
was just okay. Frankly, really, yeah, I did I thought
it was. I thought that the outfits for a little
much for me. Yeah, and again I love the high
and it might also be frankly, they they might have
been kind of screwed a little bit by coming right
(08:54):
off of that giant dance number, Yes, where we just
saw these the best, arguably the best dances in the world,
doing incredibly choreographed thing.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So then this dance, which again I thought was okay, well,
but something was interesting because they were doing homages to
previous dances, right. What that meant is that stylistically, a
lot of the dances felt out of touch or like
you could you were watching them through the lens of
like several years or maybe ten years. And I kind
(09:23):
of appreciated that because obviously, like trends change, costumes changed,
life and styles change, and like if you're trying, like
so much of this show has been trying to be
on the cutting edge of culture, like trying to be
cool and sexy or classy in a way that is
interpreted through the lens of now. Whereas because they were
doing homages to ten years ago, twenty years ago, within
(09:44):
the last twenty it ended up kind of having like
a sort of permission to be a little dated in
a fun way. So like this one I was watching.
If this had just been presented as like a contemporary, current,
cool dance, I was like, eh. But because it was
through the lens of word paying homage to a dance
from years years ago, and then the whole set in
the style felt very dated to me or like hokey
(10:05):
in a way, it was fun. It was like, oh cool,
we're doing it through, We're in, We're in. We're investing
in something that is a little cheesy, but we're just
going to go for it because it's, you know, an homage.
I like that approach the whole night. It made everything
a little easier to swallow from me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I thought it was I thought there's an interesting because
when we talked to Sharon or last week, it was
she talked about how the dances are changing all the time,
but at the same time they still have this to
have some kind of tether to the original dance. So
there's something interesting about that balance of we want to
make it look modern, but we still know that it
has to be based on something from the eighteen hundreds
(10:42):
that that shouldn't change, right. So I dig that and
I get that I also think, and this is just
my personal opinion, I think personally, Danielle did better several
weeks than Elaine has, and so the fact that she's
still there and Danielle's gone, I think I'm holding that
personally against the Lane, which again is a stupid thing
(11:02):
to do. It's not a Lane's fault that people have
been voting for her, but I think that's one of
the things where I'm kind of like, I still think
Danielle was a better dancer than her, So maybe I'm
looking for things wrong with it, But I thought that
had this exact same dance been done last week or
the week before, it would have been four eights.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, they got nines across the board. I was definitely like, really,
maybe cannbe a little but I think we're at the
stage in the competition where es scores are just through
the roof.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I also liked how I did like how they came
in high energy and they started high energy you needed
to and so it was a good way to start
the night, I will say that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And then we went on to Robert and Whitney. In
their pre show package, he talked about going to some
event where Prince William was going to be there, so
then he got a call from Prince William.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Like you do like you do to him yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, and then they went into their dance, which was
an homage to his sister's dance and was very emotional
in terms of its background and its meaning.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I found the dance a look boring. I agree with
you one hundred percent, it's good.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I mean, obviously Robert can dance is great. But I
was like, okay, you know, and then you know, when
he broke down at the end, I was.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Like, yeah, it's a little much.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now. I know.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's a terrible that. It's a terrible thing to say
because it's obviously about his family, which is hugely important
to him. But this dance ended exactly the way the
dedication I ended, except he was holding his sister's hand
instead of his mother's hand. Right, He's obviously dancing with
the stars Royalty. His father hugely important in his life.
Nobody's trying to take anything away from that. He seemed
(12:45):
his dad seemed like an amazing guy. Everybody loved him
huge in his country. But it doesn't it wasn't just
that to me. It's like at the end where he
was voted through. He gets this expression on his face
and like he jumps like he can't belie leave it
happened when he knows he's going to be voted through.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, my my, my hot take,
which maybe isn't that hot, is that they really want
Robert to win.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh, no, everybody wants I think everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, I mean the judges, the producer, the show wants
Robert to win because this was a straight up nine dance.
To me, this was not a ten, and they gave
it tens across the board and then later when they
do their relay thing, he did not deserve to win
that I feel no, I feel like so like this
was my first indication. I was like, okay, yeah, like
(13:33):
I get your this is there's a great story behind
this dance. But let's just look at that dance and
when they gave it tens and the comments that they
made like he was just the greatest, obviously the greatest
dancer that has ever graced us with his presence. I
was like, guys, he's already been great.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He is great.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You're not holding him to the same standard of like
you could do a little bit more, you could push yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you think they're going to give him a note?
You think they're ever going to go They didn't give
him a note. I have another hot take to add
to that, since we're talking about this. I also think
because it's ABC and Hulu, they really want to keep
Whitney around too, because Whitney is on their biggest thing
right now, which is The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
It's like the biggest thing in the network. She got
immunity this week from having to dance and got extra
(14:17):
points the week before that she.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Was but he danced this week was insane. It was
len dancing tonight though, Oh my god, I mean, I'll
go yeah, I like, but I feel like when they
gave this all tens, I was like, oh wow, this
And I think that they kind of screwed themselves because
by giving this tense, they had to give tens across
the board because the other dances were genuinely better than
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this one.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Oh and Mormon Wives the new season apparently premiered this week.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, well, I thought Whitney's dance was incredible. It was great,
but I think Robert and Whitney here were like good
but not tens and so, but I feel like the
producers of the show, the judges of the show love
him so much. They want him to win. They gave
him tens and then because of that, I had to
stick with tens. There's so many tens because it was like, right,
(15:07):
and we're not.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Bashing on Robert. He seems like the most likable guy
in the world. He's obviously working his butt off. He's
very good at what he does. Ye but they clearly want.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
To predestined things he's gonna win.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yep.
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All right. Next up we add Andy Richter and Emma
Slater doing a quick step. Well, here we are, Andy
still in the show.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, and it just.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Kind of is what it is with an I know,
we'll talk about their relay dance later, which I thought
was much better than this one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, but again because it's through the.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Lens of this sort of like self conscious show busy
thing putting on the ritz.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I thought it was fun. It was fun. All of
his dances are fun. They're just not pticularly good dances.
So it's I mean, she is working her ass off,
his partner, he's working his butt off. Nobody nobody is
saying he's not. Actually, I would actually say this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Might have been one of his best dances. I don't
disagree in terms of like his feet doing the things
that they needed to do. I was like, oh, I
didn't because when he first walked down the steps, I
was like, he can't even walk down the stairs. He
was walking down the stairs sideways, and you could tell
that He's like yes, and so I was like, Oh,
this is going to be a disaster, and then it wasn't.
It was actually pretty.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Damn good, and I read looked great. I was like, cool, man,
you're doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I thought maybe he would get more eights than you did,
but yeah, eight seven seven seven. My wife was watching
and she was like, you know, we could have connected
with her more like that. He was kind of doing
his own thing and not necessarily connecting.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think he's probably trying to remember the dance and
counting the steps in his head as she's saying things
like six seven eight. I mean, I think he's got
nine hundred things going on. It's not effortless right now.
And again, I think that's one of the reasons people
kept voting for him, is because a they saw there
was some progress, and there clearly has been. You go
and watch this and you watch his first dance, there
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has clearly been progress. But it's also the fact that
you know he's working his butt off apparently he's a
TikTok machine where they're all just putting out these tiktoks
all the time, and so he's playing the game. And
you know, I don't fault him for it. It's not again,
I don't blame any of the dancers. The dancers aren't
voting for themselves, right, So, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
There was this moment later in the show where Andy
talked about what it was like being on the show
and how it was like all dancing and all TikTok videos,
you know, and he gave him a credit for pushing
him in both arenas, and I had this like weird realization.
I was like, Oh, this show is now like fifty
(18:52):
percent of it is the social media. Yeah, at least
and like controlling that narrative and promoting yourself there, which
is not part of what like I'm watching right, Like
i'm watching this season. I'm looking at just what's on
the screen and what's being aired as part of this show.
But that's not even really that's half the show. The
other half of the show is what these people are
doing in social media and how they're forging their narratives
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and creating those stories. And like Andy has obviously been
doing really well at that and apparently Emma is really
good at coaching him in that arena as well. So
I just thought that was super interesting that we're just
at this point where a reality show like this is
not just the show, no barely any at all anymore,
it's what's going on every week on their social media
(19:35):
pages and their TikTok in particular, And I was just like, Wow,
this is a it's a weird it's a whole new
media jungle out there. Seven completely a part of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I told you, I don't have an Instagram, kind
of have a Finsta account that I check occasionally, and
I looked at one Dancing with the Stars thing, and
now when I look at it, it's nine hundred people
talking about Dancing with the Stars, and it's I heard
this rumor, I heard that rumor? Or did you hear
about this? And then it's the tiktoks that Andy does
or the tiktoks that Danielle did. It's part of the job.
It is twenty four to seven. Wow, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
All right, they got eight seven seven seven.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I could have seen another eight.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, me too. I guess doesn't really matter in the end,
but at this point, I was like, Wow, is Andy
gonna stick around another week?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh? I thought he was, I thought.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
After the relay, I was like, Oh, the crowd's going
to love this, I thought. And we went into an
inn memoriam Oscar style, a dance going on in the
foreground with some pros while the screen was showing people
who had died. I was very relieved to realize that
not everyone they were listening had died this year. That
took me a moment because at the Oscars it's who
(20:40):
died that year, and I was like, wait a minute,
Summers was this year and it was the same, and
it was like, no, it's just people who have that
they've lost in the twenty year history of this show
made a lot more sense. I was like, oh my god,
what a banner year for deaths. No, not the case.
I thought this was really sweet.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It was sweet.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
After the in memoriam, Dylan and Daniella bringing out the
Argentine Tango, my favorite dance, which made a couple appearances tonight.
The best yep passo doble kind of took over last
week and I was like, oh that one's good.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The Argentine Tango back on top. Just kills.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
These people are so smart to see you mouth everywhere
you go. Now, I love it so much. It was great.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This was insane.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
This was dance of the night for me. They both
just crushed it.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Oh my god, her swimming move at the beginning where
he's holding her up, the strength that it takes for
him to hold her, and the strength in her body
to say, rigid plank like that, why is kicking your
legs and make it believable and seamless and just crazy.
Oh my god, this was just so fun to watch.
It was expressive, It was sexy. The connection is just
(22:00):
like brilliant, and like his ability to like be the
sort of frame that she's throwing herself around. And of
course I still she's the best dancer. I've never she's
the best.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
This week she's the best.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, And like he is rising to like be her
partner and god like I and and this is where
I felt like they went, oh, we shouldn't have given
tens to rush.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's because this blew that out of the water.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
There's no way if you give this tens that those
were eights like that, This is you know, this deserves eleven.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Or twenty different level. He also to me, Dylan looked
like and I turned to Sue halfway through, I was like,
he looks like a thirties movie star. Yes, like he
looked like Errol Flynn up there kind of dancing. It
was really amazing. I mean, they're both perfectly and I
know this isn't right because she's a professional, but both
perfectly castes as these two people going on this journey together.
It's like you couldn't have put two people together. He
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no one else could have done for him what she
has done for him. Dance once and he has stepped
up every and this was the first time. I was like, oh,
they both looked like pros. They fully both looked like pros. Tonight, Yeah,
dance of the night for me. He crushed it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, it was incredible. So yeah, ten ten, ten ten,
well deserved. Hell yah, man, I hope these guys make
it to the finale.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's but do you have competition anybody can beat Robert? No?
I don't either. I think it's already been progestined.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yes, I mean I think that the show itself is
really making it hard for anybody to beat Robert, which
I mean, I'm so curious what the what the audience
votes are, because I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
there's a little bit of backlash to that, because it
starts to feel like, oh, well, he's the obvious, and
then people will stop voting for him just because they
(23:44):
assume that he's getting all the votes, and that might
you know, that might be somebody else.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I agree. And I was back east. Both Susan and
I were back east last week, and she was in Massachusetts.
I was in Connecticut, where both of their families, and
then we met up in the middle and wherever we went,
we were talking about Dancing with the Stars, and just
for the heck of it, I would start talking about
Dancing with the Stars with the waiters or the weight
staff or somebody who worked at a place wherever we were.
(24:11):
I think of maybe the five people, six people I
talked to, four of them watched the show regularly. All
of them were voting for Robert. Wow. Every single girls, boys,
different ages, all of them are like, oh my gosh,
I can't I vote for Robert. Every week, every single
person was voting for Robert Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Okay, it's crazy crazy, then he probably will win.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, it's crazy, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Next up, we had Jordan and Ezra doing the Cha cha.
You know, I feel like she is in a tough
position because she is doing so well, she is committing
so hard, but I just don't feel like she's getting
the support for the same you know, in the same way.
But I thought, you know, their whole goal they talk
(24:55):
about in the pre show was to try and be
sexy and passionate in a way that she hasn't been
able to showcase.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And I thought she nailed it. I thought so too, frankly.
And it was cool. It was a cool dance.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And I really appreciated Derek's feedback because what he was
saying was like, we know you can do the athleticism,
We know you can do the big moves, but what
your what your journey and your growth has been is
in texture and the way that you're learning to express
things with your body. And I felt that and it
was exactly what I was. I hadn't I couldn't put
(25:25):
it into words, and he put it into words. And
I'm so glad he gave her a ten because I
thought that if we're going to reward people for their
personal journeys, if we're going to be giving Andy an
eight in a situation where he's clearly never going to
be more than a six or seven. Then somebody like
Jordan who is athletically move wise doing tens, but also
(25:45):
growing emotionally and expressively in ways that is not super
easy for her, comfortable for her or immediate, we should
reward that too. This is this is her journey and
so and the point.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You were making before, were you and I not fully disagree.
I kind of agree about the pageantry a little bit,
but you know me with the kind of stuff. But
this was one of those times too, where you saw
how important Dancing with the Stars was to her because
in her preshow package she's talking about like as a kid,
all she wanted to do was learn every Dancing with
(26:19):
the Stars dance. Here's a girl who from the time
or a woman now, but when she was a girl
was probably already a top athlete at seven eight years old,
but she wanted to come home and do the dances
with Dancing with the Stars. So I get the importance
of the show. I really do. It's just for me,
it's a little much, but I can see how for
someone like her it's the equivalent literally of I played
(26:43):
little league. I'm always saying, oh, I mean my backyard
holding a bat going it's bottom of the ninth, there's
two outs. It's on me. This is her world series.
She's been doing this since she was a little kid,
and now you're on the biggest stage on Dancing with
the Stars. You've made it and you're trying to get
as far as you can't. I totally get that, and
I get the journey, and I get the importance. I
(27:03):
just it's a little much for me, but I get
it all right.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They got nine, ten, nine and nine, which.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I could have seen two tens and two.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I was gonna say another ten felt deserved in this case.
I could have seen I could have seen Bruno giving
her how interesting. I was glad that they highlighted how
they have to mark their scores before they speak the judges.
I thought that was really because I wasn't quite clear
on that.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh remember did you hear early ones where they're like,
remember we were at the show, the first show, and
they're like, lock it in, lock it in. I the
one person.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Hadn't locked it in, I think, or Bruno hadn't locked it. Yes,
I but it was really cool to because I started
to think, like, aren't they influencing each other in their comments?
And it's really nice to know that's not the case,
that they're actually defending their scores or explaining their scores
before those scores are revealed. Actually, that's what the judging
is an opportunity to or an opportunity for. And it
(28:00):
was also I loved hearing we'll get into later when
they do the flashbacks and they were talking about the
judges in their role. I loved hearing how Derek still
thinks of it as a teaching opportunity, right. He was like,
you go from coaching somebody all season and having hours
during their dance to only having.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Thirty seconds to give feedback and teach them.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I was like, that's so cool that he's looking at
this as a teaching opportunity and a and he's he's
so good. Man. Well that's why my respect for derekof
too just started to take him for granted. You know,
I've always appreciated his comments, but I didn't know the history.
I hadn't seen the history, lived the history, and man,
tonight really like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
To talk to him about his journey. But this is
you mentioned the scoring, so this is kind of an
interesting time to talk about this. So Sasha Farber, who
was one of the original maybe not one of the ogs,
but for years was one of the professional dancers. He
did a live reddit last week where he kind of
gets into the scoring system because we keep going back
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back and forth on what the hell the scoring is.
So I'm going to read a little bit of what
was said and see if we can try to decipher
any of it, because a lot of it is very confusing.
So it said after Bobby Bones, who was we talked
with Sharna that was her partner who they won the
whole thing and maybe shouldn't have. They talked about how
that kind of changed the ranking system. So if there
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are five contestants, you get one to five points based
on where you're placed on the judge's score, and then
one to five based on where you sit ranking based
on ranking with the votes, and then they combine the
two so it's not a percentage system. So then somebody
else explained it how this is how the scoring system
(29:42):
in the German version works, and they think that this
is the same, but they show it on a leaderboard.
For example, five couples are left in the show. Couple
one has thirty thirty jury points, or the highest score
of five points they would get ranking Couple two is
twenty eight points, so they get four points, and so
on and so on. So where you rank on the
(30:03):
leader board, you either get a five, four, three, two one,
and then they do the same thing for percentage of
votes that people call in, so you're five fourths. So
if you get the highest judge of scores, you get
a five, and then you get the highest calling scores,
you get a five. So your ten gets you through
to the next week. Is I believe how they do
it all. It sounds it's confusing as hell, but I
(30:25):
believe that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, that actually it's it's a way to really boil
it down to like simple numbers, you know, so really
quick quick adding numbers. That makes sense, actually, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, And by the way, because we talk about this
is a big week because Andy left and they were
calling him the Bobby Bones of this season, and apparently
you and I just heard from one of our producers
as we came on that yesterday he came out saying
he returned his mirror ball to ABC because of all
(30:55):
the hate he was getting from winning the show.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Which is kind of a strange move, Like, agreed, why
not just say okay, but that was you know, he
won fair and square by the rules that they said. Yeah,
I wouldn't feel the need to give that back, but.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Again, he's not voting for himself A million times other
people are voting for him. I agree with you one
hundred percent. I wouldn't have given it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Back, but apparently, like you know, I get it, like
it's but yeah, you want it fair and square, man.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know, I also don't get people going out of
their way to give a former Dancing with the Stars
champion hate for winning a show he doesn't vote for
himself on Yeah, it seems.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, but I guess he was promoting it a bunch
on his own radio show or something like that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But isn't everybody doing that with all the tickets whatever,
you go, whatever you got, that's like your platform promoting ourselves.
So yes, but that was the news apparently.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right. Next up Alex and Val doing the Fox
trot to sing it in the rain. I thought this
was subdued and classy and freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
A thousand percent agree with.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You, right, Like I love the old Hollywood sort of vibe.
Dressed dude, just such a cool move man, like, because
these two can do anything, like they've clearly done so
many different styles and energies, and to do this was
just perfect. It was like wow, and again I'm going
you guys screwed yourselves with those Robert scores because.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
They had to give this tense like you can't.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It doesn't compare once you had locked in tents for Robert,
it was going to be so high across the board
just to compare, because this was so much better, so much.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So classy and just elegant, and they were gliding through it.
This to me is like old school ballroom dance, you know,
just watching that with the beautiful outfits. They both looked gorgeous.
They were staring at each other with big smiles on
their I could watch this all day.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It was great, right, and again it wasn't like cutting
edge in terms of like current culture. It was it
was referential to old culture yea and like and really
just investing in something that is dated intentionally to say
like we're gonna we're gonna really go back in time
and and and do something that wouldn't be considered maybe
cool today, but make it cool again.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I love that too. All this all this fusion food
is amazing, but if you can just make a classic souflet, Yeah,
there's something about that that's amazing. Yeah. So yeah, I
loved it. I think they look great together. Again, they
could ease, they could win. Maybe it's maybe it's in
any other year they would win because it does seem
like they're just gonna give it to Robert. But there's
(33:45):
three or four couples that could easily win this show
or should have a chance at winning the show. And yeah,
there are definitely two of them, because man, can they dance.
And I would say just from watching next to your
favorite dancer, Danielle. Next to Danielle, I think Val is
probably the next best dancer on the floor.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yes, and an amazing choreographer. C Yeah, he kind of
knows it too. Yeah, you get that vibe from him, right.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah. We didn't talk about he actually have.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Had a very humble speech about being an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
He loves it, he loves what he does. But the
one thing we didn't talk about was the very opening
move of Dylan and Daniella, where Dylan's got his leg
up and she just comes in and pops under his
leg that. Oh it was so like a dart. Yes,
so cool. Yeah, just set the toe for everything. Yeah
all right, Alex and Bal got tents across the board.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Well, so yep, deservedly so next up Whitney and Mark
and the Argentinian.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Tago stakes again, right, are so happy perfect.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It's just it's I mean, it was Danielle's breakthrough dance.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just feel like this is everybody's breakthrough dance. You
do tago, Well, it's you're moving your legs and their
legs are going up underneath other that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You get all those little flicks and weird kids, so
you're just like what you just can't take.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Your eyes off of it. And yet it's so like
just expressive. Oh man, totally.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So this was insane to me. And yes, like I
think this was her best dance ever. Yeah. And they
just they're they're so great man. I love both of them.
I Yeah, this was incredible to watch. And it was
at this point I was like, dude, if they don't
give them tens, I'm gonna be pissed. Yeah, And there
(35:30):
was a moment where I was like, are they not
going to do it. Are they going to somebody going
to give her a nine and no tends a gross.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
The board had to be had. You're right, they said
they set the standard a little high at the beginning,
and then you kind of had to go from there.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Because I had to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That was It was really remark There were three or
four dances tonight that were really remarkable. I still think
Dylan and Daniella was dancing the night though, personally, So.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
This is going to be I mean, really, if we
just take the tens, it's Robert, Dylan and Alex and Whitney.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, that's going to be the top four.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
And I think that's it's just inevitable at this point, Like, yeah,
at this point in the night, I was going, man,
it could Andy could sort of eke out and stick around,
in which case I was going to say, a Land's
probably going home.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That's what I thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It didn't happen that way, and so now I'm like, Okay,
well now it's just going to be dancing.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, and it's going to come down to.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
The people that got the top top scores this week,
and I truly just waiting for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Andy was probably slightly disappointed, but I think he had
such a fun time, got farther than he ever thought,
and we probably walked away going like that was amazing.
I'm good and I'm glad that I'm glad he stayed,
and I'm also glad he's gone. Now. I think it
was time and you can now get to the The
cream is really rising to the top at this point,
I mean, there's it's amazing, and.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We went into flashbacks two seasons past.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Wait before I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I apologize to our
our faithful listeners because I was so upset with daniell
exit last week that many people pointed out that I
did not do Will's History of Dance. So I'm going
to do an in memorium Daniel Fischle dancing to Will's
History of Dance, which was Daniel's last dance was the
contemporary dance and so for people out there, because as
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you know, writer, I have an encyclopedic knowledge of all
things dance. We've established this at this point, does it
It didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Matter with contemporary to have an encyclopedic knowledge.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
It matters an encyclopedic knowledge. It's an expressive and versatile
dance genre that emerged from modern dance, combining elements of
various styles ballet, jazz, and modern to create innovative and
creative movements. I love how to describe a contemporary dance.
They describe it as or I mean, I in my
head with my knowledge, describe it as a modern dance.
(37:45):
So best way to describe.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Contemporary modern Yeah, kind of anything.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Kind of redundant, but it's a slow dance that isn't quick.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And then we went into flashbacks of seasons back and
profiles of the judges, with a nod to Len Goodman,
who I gather was one of the original judges and
a legend who has now passed. Like I said earlier,
I thought this was really cool. This gave me so
much appreciation for all the judges. You know, I feel
like we've you know, we've we've we've come, we've come
(38:20):
at Carrie Anne a little hard we have, which sounds
like a lot of people are ye, and uh, this
gave me another more appreciation for how much she's brought
to the show, all of them. I was just like, oh,
this is a really interesting job. These people, you know,
they're they're up against it. In a lot of ways.
And then yeah, just seeing Derek when he was like
fifteen or whatever, he.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Looked like baby. It was unbelievable to see him out there.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, and on top of his choreography for the opening number.
I just my respect for him.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, yeah, we got to see if he'll come on
to Podmeets World. I know he's we love to have him,
And by that, I mean he's probably never heard of us.
There has no idea that we're doing this, but I
think both he having he and sister on because the
perspective of both sides would be very interesting. Of hosting
a live show like this every week, but also dancing.
I mean we've she danced that opening number and is
sitting there huffing and puffing trying to get through. Now
(39:10):
oh wait, now I'm a host, so difficult for both
of them. We did come at carry in kind of hard.
I think rightfully so at the time, but that's also
anytime you put yourself out there nowadays, if you say up,
then everyone who likes down hates you. It's just the
way the world works. She handled it with total class,
like she did, and I think I think all of
her scoring and all of the judges scoring except for
(39:33):
Robert this week, and I could see why they wanted
to give him high scores. I think was pretty spot on.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I agree. Then we do this relay section, which
I wasn't quite clear on what this was, and then
again felt kind of rigged, you know, like because who
they were partnered or who they were versus seemed like
a big deal, you know, like that kind of determines
like so the and then also the mirror ball passed
(40:03):
mirror ball winners who they were dancing with, Like with Jordan,
she got another other big guy, Apollo, who hadn't danced
in thirteen years. Yeah, Whereas when it came for Alex
and Robert the last set of relay, she was like
last year's winners, both of them got the most recent winners.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, And I was like, that's a stacked deck. Yeah,
that's total.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
They were giving Robert and Alex a huge leg up
on everybody else. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Kind of pissed me off. Man, I don't disagree with you.
I have not liked most of these side little sojourns
that they're taking. It seems a little strang It seems
like a way to stack the deck of riggan again
to boost who you want and yeah, exactly, Whitney had
community got two extra points. She won the dance off
the week before it. They it's an easy way to
(40:51):
kind of figure out next steps.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, so it was Jordan versus a lame Jordan one.
I thought that was kind of an obvious me too.
When you compared the two dances as good as Elaine was,
it was like, no, but it was cool to see
how how well they worked with another partner. I did
like that factor of this whole thing, you know that
they you got to see like these people have to adjust,
(41:15):
and during the pre dance packages, I was like, oh God,
this is going to be a disaster, and it wasn't.
Pretty much across the board, it was solid. People were
agree and those now those people who admitted that they
hadn't danced in years really brought it. And you were like, oh,
I could see why you won, and made.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Me kind of wish I could retool all of Dancing
with the Stars. Yeah, because if I could retool all
of Dancing with the Stars, it would be two celebrities
who have to learn how to dance together. The pro
is teaching them how to dance. Every week, But the
actual dances every week are two different celebrities, double the
amount of celebrities that are there, first of all, and
(41:50):
you're watching everybody kind of on equal footing. And so
you've got you know, it's a celebrity of celebrity, and
then you get your professional who trained you every week. Wow,
So you can never have somebody standing there while a
professional dances around you. It's always the two of you
together learning.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I wonder if that would just result in worst dances though,
you know what I mean, of.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Course, But that's I mean because you don't get to
see professionals dancing all over the place. But to me,
that would be a really interesting Maybe do a season
like that. Do one season where all the professionals do
all the interstitial dances and they train you all week long,
but on the floor it's just the two of you together.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I like that all right. Then we had Andy versus Dylan.
It seemed like a foregone conclusion that Dylan would win,
which he did, of course, but Andy had this shirt moment,
which didn't we make this very joke. I feel like
we made this exact joke that we were like, will
you'd rip your shirt over and you'd have one of
those muscle shirts under it. We made that joke and
(42:48):
then they did it, and his commitment to it. At
this point I was like, you know what, I don't know.
I think Andy. I'm okay with Andy sticking around another
week because it was commitment, good dancing actually yeah, it
wasn't bad. Some of his best dancing. Yeah, and funny, entertaining,
I mean, all the things that we wanted to be.
(43:09):
And it reminded me of of what we talked about
with you, is like, you would be best if you
entered Dancing with the Stars thinking of it as a character,
thinking of it as like a joke, as a as
a as a comedy bit. You would end up committing
more physically than if you felt the pressure to like
actually be sexy or you know. And I felt like
Andy came alive in the same vein when he was like,
(43:29):
I know this joke is coming and this I'm gonna play,
and yet he physically ended up committing more than he
ever has.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It was really cool. See, it was a good moment.
It really was a good moment.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I was also watching Rumor Willis and the rehearsals going.
She won What's happening here? Is she any good?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
And then when she came out, she was amazing. Ye.
Together they were so good.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I was like, Oh, it's not just Daniella bringing up Dylan,
you know, like he's really working well with another partner
who's also amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Really incredibly well together. But that's what I mean, two
celebrities together, it could work.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Could be could really be great.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
So yeah, Dylan won this face off. Why these face
offs become these face offs again? I just don't understand.
And we ended with Alex and Robert, and this is
where they got the like the most recent dancers. They
got pros who are like fresh off of winning the
Mirror Ball. Their dances were really good. I thought Alex's
was insanely good.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I thought it was better than Robert's. Yes, that was
the only one I thought they got wrong. But that's
the thing. They want Robert to win. Yes, And I'm
about the fact that he kicks her in the face.
Did you see that in the back of I mean
he literally kicks her.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
In with that final move where he's like slamming her
to the ground, almost flipping her over and jumping back up.
I was like, what, this is crazy? And you know,
you see it rehearsals and you see how crazy it is,
and then they nailed it. Man, they really got the think.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
They got the wrong one here. I also think, and
I think you said this before. You may have changed
your tune. I don't know, but I was the entire
night of watching. I think the jive is my least
favorite dance. It's just it's not it's I prefer the
holding onto each other, classical kind of dance with some
moves in between, the kind of jive of the quick
step in them side by side. It's not my f
(45:21):
And so that threw me a bit because it just
isn't my favorite dance. But I thought this was the
only one that they got wrong. I thought that Alex
deserved to win this round.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Frankly, yep, yep. I think most people felt that way. Yeah,
all right, and that was, uh, that was it for
the dancing. Then we just had the uh, the results.
I really was a shocked.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I was shocked. Absolutely. I thought I thought the fandi's
are coming out and it was becoming a thing, and
they just were going to keep him on. I didn't
think he was gonna win. I didn't think anybody was
gonna beat Robert, but I thought he was going to
be make it to the finals. Wow, So the idea
I was. I was convinced after starting the show and
the low scores that Elaine that this was going to
(46:05):
be Elaine's last week of dancing.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well it will be next week, yeah, probably, that's what
we're looking at. Or when you have people with all ten, Yeah,
it's gonna be Jordan and Lane dropping off, which is
too bad because they both have great journeys. They do
incredibly well. And they said it in this episode, and
I've heard it a lot that this season is insane, yeah, stacked, snacky, ye,
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And I think in any other season Jordan and Lane
would have a genuine shot from what I gather at winning.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
But as with Danielle, that's what daniel we're talking about kill.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I know you've got When you have Robert and Alex
and Whitney and now even Dylan, you're just talking about
people that are taking it to this next level.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
But that's why I hope somebody like Dylan or Robert wins,
simply because these were two guys. And again, you're probably
right that Robert has been training to be on Dancing
with the Stars his entire life because he knew we
wanted to be here and it's his family legacy kind
of thing. But somebody like Dylan from where he was
to where he is now, to me, represents the show exactly,
(47:12):
perfectly represents the show. Whereas Hey Whitney, the girl who
grew up dancing, who went to school for dancing, whose
dancer whole life and is now professional TikTok dancer wins
a dancing competition, that's not a headline to me at all.
Dylan Ephron comes out and wins. That's pretty impressive. Yeah,
and you're right that dance. Just the move. It's a
poster of him holding her in the plank position with
(47:35):
the light behind them. I mean that is going to
be on some kid's wall who wants to grow up
and be a dancer. That's like, that's Michael Jordan dunking
on you in the dance competition. I mean it was.
That was insane. All right.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
That's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirld. Join
us next week as we continue watching season thirty four
of Dancing with the Stars. We may not know a
salsa from a jar of salsa, but we know what
we learned way back in Phoe' class. Daniel Fischele was
the star of the show. Podmeats World is an iHeart
podcast producer hosted by Daniel Fischle, Wilfridell and Ryder Strong
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executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge
of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara Subasch producer,
Mattie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World superman Easton Allen.
Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.