October 14, 2025 • 49 mins
From Ezra's sidequest with Commander Sato going sideways to Kanan & Rex forced to team up in Stormtrooper cosplay to a body shaming Imperial Officer and of course the moment we all hoped for between Kanan & Rex. Plus the mental health themes and lessons. And does Chopper have one of the highest kill counts in all of Star Wars?!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I always always cares how strong his stun gun was,
and that kind of told me. It's kind of like
episode one on the pod Racer. It's kind of like
that type of stunt when when like Jorjia Binks puts
his tongue in it and gets hit and what is
right now?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Trust me, you guys are done before?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What have you done with Taylor Gray?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey? What's up? Guys?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to the Potter Rebellion. Uh, you are here with
an amazing group. It is Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger, Specter six,
and with me we have.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hi everyone, It's ts R. Carr voices, Sabine Run Specter five.
And with us we also have Hey, everybody, what's up.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.
And guess what we have someone else with us?
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Yes, you do. Hey, everybody, it's John Lee Brody, your
friendly neighborhood moderator for the pot of Rebellion. And today
we're going over season two, episode nine, Stealth Strike. I
know that's very dramatic, Stealth Strake. Here we go, how's everybody.
I always like to do the check in and this
(01:20):
is a this is Okay, this is a fun episode.
On the surface, it's kind of like pretty straightforward, but
when you look at the character layering, there's a lot
of development and like planting the seed of what's the
come and uh, anyways, what are we gonna get to that?
But how is everybody good?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, I'm I'm, I know that this is an audio thing,
but we all have socials up and some we got
to put your your fit up on social Definitely, you're
looking very cool and like kind of speed racer a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah cool.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think that's cool.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
I think so. And when that movie came out, because
that movie I like that movie from the watch how skis?
That came out in two thousand and eight. It had
the misfortunate of coming out like the same weekend. It's
Iron Man, and there's no way they were going to
win that box office. But I rewatched it and I
was like, this movie is good. This movie's a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's just the mesh.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Yeah, did you.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Rewatch it recently and say, I gotta I gotta put
together a fit that is reminiscent of this great movie.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
It was exactly that. As soon as I went right
to like Etsy and Amazon, any place I could find
a good fit. And but these glasses shout out the Therispecks,
who are not a sponsor, at least not yet. There
might be something there, but they specialize in people with
sensory needs, so people don't know. I'm on level one
of the autim spectrum and sometimes my light sensitivity is
a bit much and they gave me these glasses and
(02:43):
it's like it's like I escaped the matrix. I'm using
my eyes for the first time.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's wow, that's incredible. What is it is it? Actually
it's a bulls jacket. Huh yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah, because it is basketball season now, because all the
press day is happening, so I'm rocketing.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Of what the MLB playoffs, basketball season's coming around. We're
in the middle football season. This is a good time.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
It's a great time. And also a shout out to
you go just came from Okalla. It was Mike Kennedy
was the name of the fan. Yeah, and I love
that photo he posted of all y'all with the jerseys,
like he gave you all the jerseys. I thought he
was so cool. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Can I just tell you something?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So so when we saw him, I knew we were
going to see him. I knew he was going to
have the jerseys. I will admit that I don't listen
to our podcast because we do it, so I know
what is said. So I was like, he was like, hey,
so that episode hasn't come out yet, and I'm like,
wait what and he was like, yeah, the episode. You
guys talked about it, right, he said, We totally talked
(03:42):
about it. We had a whole discussion about who everyone thought,
you know, Zeb would be. And he was like, yeah,
it hasn't come out yet, but John, on a different episode,
I think once you might have like referenced that Zeb
could be Shack.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
And so he was like, so I just went with it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And I'm like, that's really amazing because out of the
four of us, three of three of y'all said Shack,
and then I.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Said Charles Berkley.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But so apparently that episode had not aired, but he
had the foresight to get a Shack jersey for Steve,
who was so absolutely like slum mixed by what was
going on? Why are there jerseys? We were like, well,
explain it to you later. Anyway, I thought it was
(04:29):
a really cute photo.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
OK, that was all and not just any Shack, Orlando Shack,
because Orlando Shack was something different. Like I know he
had his prime with the Lakers, and that's when he
really became big, big, big, big Diesel. But when when
you all look at Shack on Orlando Magic, it's scary
how big he is. But also he was like jacked.
He was like cut and like running the floor. Orlando Shack,
(04:51):
like that version of him juxtaposed to like maybe two
thousand and three Shack would have been a real scary.
It's like scary to imagine like the different levels of
Shack that we've had. So I'd love that he went
with Orlando Magic Shack. That was really cool.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Well that was a that was a fun one. So
thanks Mike. Thanks Mike for.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And he also came. We did that group one and
then he had separate photo ops with each of us
and he made t shirts like for each of our
characters and went and did like a quick like a
we didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Get to do an Isra on them. He did Thunderstruck
with me. He wore Kevin, did you guys do this?
I kneeled down so it looks like he's a half taller.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Than Mike if you're listening, which I think you will be,
You're gonna have to send those photos into the to
the pod email please so that we can see and share.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, well done.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Yeah, absolutely that that made me so happy when when
I when I saw that photo because he tagged the
Pot of Rebellion Instagram and then I saw I was like, oh,
there's Korean, there's words, and there's Orlando Magic Shack with
Steve Bloom who I love that you gave me. That's
that subtext of what was going through his tea's mind
because I could tell He's like, look, I'm going to
go with it, but she was.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Like, what is actually happening right now? He said, no
time to.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Explain, hold it up, and he's just like, Okay, he's
a good sport, as he always is. We got to
get him back on here sometimes because we brought him
on early. But we've got a good Zet episode coming up,
I think in like three or four episodes, so maybe
maybe we'll try to get Steve on here. But yeah,
well before then, what do you say we get into
this recap and we'll talk about this episode and whatever
(06:33):
else comes up. So let's just see what happens I
don't know what's going to happen once yeah, I mean,
but all right, here we go. Here comes the recap
for season two, episode nine, Stealth Strike, original air date
November twenty fifth, twenty fifteen. Here we go. Ezra just
wanted to have a nice, simple side quest with Commandosauto,
but instead they're yanked right out of hyperspace by the
Empire and captured. At this point, though this is pretty
(06:54):
much par for the course for the young Padawan, it's
now up to the unlikely duo of Canaan and Rex
to get Ezra and the others out of there. The
only problem is these two get along just about as
well as Teo and Donovic McNab in two thousand and five.
But despite that, the two get on their best Storren
Trooper cosplay and the rescue attenth of Ezra and the
others from Phoenix Squadron is underway from Rex using his
(07:14):
old veteran tricks to get them on board the Medicine
Imperial Interdictor Cruiser to Canaan using his Jedi mind tricks.
The talents of each of them are on full display. Meanwhile,
though Ezra isn't just sitting around way to be rescued
despite being surrounded by stormtroopers. Ezra takes him out with
ease like he's Kevin Mcallisher taking out the Wet Bandits,
but in the process he ends up knocking out Kane,
and he ends up knocking Canaan in the Rex unconscious,
(07:35):
and it is here in these moments that the student
becomes the teacher, or in a way, the babysitter. When
Canaan and Rex still can't put their differences aside, and
Ezra reveals that they're constant arguing is the reason he
wanted to do the Siquists with Sato in the first place.
That seemed to be the awakening the Jedi and the
Clone needed as they find a way to work together
through the Fireflight, which includes at one point Canaan rescuing
Rex and them sharing an escape pod, and it's capped
(07:57):
off with Chopper sabotage. In the war gravity cores on
the Interdictor, which renders the Empire's new toy completely moot,
and Canaan and Rets go from oil and water to
a more friend of me type dynamic and despite the
fact then neither will be referring to the other as
their bff just yet the two of them, when all
said and done, like the Aretha Franklin song, end up
with R E S P E C T for one another.
(08:17):
And that is the recap for Season too, Episode nine
stell Strike nice, excellent work as all excellent, Thank you,
thank you. I always gotta I realized I have a
pattern of there's like some sort of song reference, so
that if anything, and then there's.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
A song reference, there's a sports reference, and there's usually
some kind of historical event reference.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And yeah, yeah, yeah for it.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know how I feel.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
About these absolutely well. I appreciate it. I appreciate and
this is so this is a again on the surface,
it's like, Okay, Canon's captured and not Kane. I just captured.
But as there finds a way they got to go
get them. But I felt like this was a great
character building episode for Canaan, for Rex. I saw a
lot of I felt like, and we can start with this,
(09:06):
and because I'm curious if your thoughts, Taylor, particularly like
Ezra kind of as a parentification like almost acting like
the adult with Canaan and Rex. I feel like this
was planking the seed for Ezra really becoming the leader
because he took that leadership role and be like, hey, guys,
get your stuff together, because I don't have time for this.
What are your thoughts on them?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I'm about to come clean. Well one, if nothing I
say makes sense, I have an excuse. I just landed
from Europe. But on the plane, I've been flying around
a lot. I watched the first Star Wars movie, and
on part way through the second store to me so
I watched Phantom Menace and now I'm in the Clones.
So for any haters about the Clones, I get it now,
(09:47):
Clone Droopers, Stormtroopers, fully understand what that was about.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I still have finished the movie. But yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
An hour and and there's a little bit of this
Anaki in aspect of like I didn't realize Anakin was
such a pump to Obi Wan in the second episode,
like get off my back, dude, Like I got this,
and you see some of that not as bad, you
know what I mean? With Ezra, It's not it's not
as uh malicious, like where we know where Anakin's going?
(10:18):
Spoiler to all of you.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Guys, what happens? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, I got to get to the movie, but.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I understood the stormtrooper aspect of it, but there there
is that thing of him sort of growing in his
power and realizing, oh, no, I can handle a bit
of this, and also the whole thing of like dads
are fighting, it makes sense that he has to take
over a bit and like he's already broken himself out
by the time that they've come, so it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He doesn't need them, but he didn't need them, and I.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Guess it also answered a question for me where I
was always cures how strong his stun gun was, and
that kind of told me. It gives you a sort
of days to confused. It kind of like the pro
I mean, now, guys, it's gonna be bad. I'm not
only reference to these movies. It's kind it's kind of
like episode one on the pod Racer. It's kind of
(11:13):
like that type of stunt when when like Jorji Binks
puts his tongue in it and gets hit and what
is right now?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You guys are done before? What are you done with?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Taylor Gray?
Speaker 6 (11:26):
You your job's in trouble, my friend, you gotta watch out.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
I also love that I don't know how many.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Episodes of this podcast ago. It was that you were like, wait,
clone troopers are and then in this episode, Vanessa, don't
you doesn't Harris say he's a clone trooper? It's different.
There you go for anyone who was confused as well.
I really liked first of all, Canaan is so salty
(11:58):
in this episode, like from the j oh like you
need to eat a Snickers or something not feeling like crabby.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Also, I really love how Choppers sold you out so
hard so quick. He's like oh uh, and Chopper's like,
actually here. I love the banter and the I feel
like maybe it's because you have so much to do
in this episode, Taylor, I felt like rewatching it, I
(12:29):
was like, I hear your I hear your personality so
much in this episode, Vanessa, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Like, oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
It was just like, well that's Taylor.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Well yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I mean like when when people say to us, oh,
I love the podcast because it feels like an extension
of the show and they missed the show. Watching that
episode in particular, I was like, oh, I can kind
of see how hanging out with us on the podcast
is very similar to hanging with Ezra, you know, for
four seasons a little bit.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
I mean, Taylor, obviously you're your own man.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
I mean, but a little bit bit.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
But but yeah, and I was also I felt like
I needed a little more Sabine in the episode, saying
just a wee bit more, and yet I was happy
to see the guys kind of do their thing as well.
But I'm very impressed with your Star Wars knowledge, Taylor.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
This is it's over for everyone because I'm going to
break this thing down.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I have a separate podcast that is going to be
talking about the movies.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Taylor is going to have a separate podcast. It's just
called you guys, and it's being like, you, guys, did
you know?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And everyone's like, yeah, we knew that, it's only you
that didn't know.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
This is like our Agatha all along sort of moment
where this whole thing was actually a backdoor pilot to
Taylor's podcast. So this is I'll surprise everybody a minute.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The question I have early on for JC and but
I'm yours, John, what you think the answer is? So
everyone always says like we hear conventions and we're not sharp.
Chopper is one of the biggest war criminals in Star Wars.
He's killed more people than most anyone At the end
of this episode he destroys the Star Destroyer.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
How many people is that?
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Like, watch his body count exactly?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, oh well, okay, initially.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
That's what that meant. Okay, originally that war that I.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Was like, whoa, whoa, that's a great question, because you know,
if we stack Chopper up against like the Freddy Krueger's,
the Jason Vorhees, I think he has exponentially more kills
than like maybe every Slasher villain combined because of this
one episode. Because that's a big ship there, that's a.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Whole village, right, Like, how many people is a Star Destroyers?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Yeah, he's like, well, the square footage isn't when you
carry the two it's actually this many people, but a
lot of people. I never thought of that.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, I hadn't either, just because he's like discovery, we
don't eat, Like, I don't think about him being like
a stone cold killer.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Also, I'm sure this occurred to you and well all
of you probably you sure understand everything that Chopper is
meeping at you this whole episode.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
The same thing I was like, and a lot of
times with zeb too, where he's like r rural, He's
like giving a dissertation.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
I'm going, hey, guys, no idea, what's happening?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I mean he sounds disgruntled in general, but what exactly
is transpiring there?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
But he always sounds disgruntled.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
But you guys are having like full backed and forward
like oh no, come on, are you sure?
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Like?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Now it does it go in and out? Do you
sometimes understanding? You sometimes don't?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
But yeah, that is exactly the point that I was saying,
like way early, it's like it's how that goes. But
now that I'm into the movies, I'm also realizing the
same thing. Little here, a little there, Like.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
You're saying that there are incans.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I'm not going, I go j JC.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I can't wait to mean, if it's coming, build me
and talk about some of this.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Wait, oh I have a question for it.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Sorry John, I think I was going to ask y'all,
slash JC, what was that droidy proby thing that was
supposed to you know, take Rex out?
Speaker 7 (16:23):
But did you call it an introdictor?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
No?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
So that the introdictor is the name of the ship
the ship ship?
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Sorry? Sorry, so what is that little thing.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
So I don't remember the in Star Wars fans, please
don't be too mad at me. I can't remember the
exact name of it, but I remember first seeing it
in A New Hope because it's supposed to almost like
have like a truth serum thing where I forced you
to confess, but I.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Needle singy right, and that's the probe or whatever.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Okay, there's a lot of a New Hope. I feel
like references in this one because them dressing up as stormtroopers,
and I really liked the the self referentialness of the
episode where it's like, how are we going to get there?
And they show the shuttle and kan is like how
do they let us keep stealing me?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It was very like sort of tongue in cheek. There
was a lot of moments like that. Kanaan had some
jokes too. Yeah, yeah, I love it when when Freddy
gets to be you know, Canaan is such a serious,
often somber character, and so when he gets to say
like these funny silly Quippi lines, I really enjoy that
(17:26):
because Freddy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, it makes you want more of that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I also thought that I'm surprised or maybe you've seen it,
and I just have it that people haven't made shirts
of the graffiti, the.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Oh yeah, the directions and dynamic. Yeah yeah, I actually
had forgotten.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I was like, oh, that must I'd forgotten that that
was even in this thing. I actually kind of admittedly
did not remember this this episode very well or almost
at all, so it was like I was watching it
for the first time. It was a fun ride. I
really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I don't know how I was a part of all
of these shows and didn't realize how many Java references
they're I think there's a new drinking game there is
hang on and I was the chairperson, and then Tia
Sabina swiftly made the vice chairperson and Taylor, I think
(18:22):
we need another drinking game for Java.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah you need?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, well there's more coming, all right, but no, no,
like I remember he says what Lando Brontide is, Yeah,
he could say, but he never does. You know, I
don't want to dance yet. But yeah, I didn't realize.
I thought he just said jab at once.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
And it's so many times.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I kind of feel like calling Freddy, like in real
time right now and just saying, like, yo, your little
padawan is really growing up right now, right in front
of our eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I feel like I just it just took an eleven
hour flight and I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
He's like, all right, I guess they're doings later.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Oh that's great. Or he'll go exactly like huh, all
right to be one of those two.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So you guys, it's cool.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Good for him.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I think it would make him, even if he didn't
show it, he would be very pleased that Taylor finally
is showing some interest.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
True. Steve and I have talked to Steve's on the
same plane. Steve just handles it better. Steve just goes
along with He's like I saw it when I was.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
The weekend episode before.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Every I'm not out of Steve here, but have plenty
conversations about this.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
He's in the same boat as me.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Well he has, you know, like years.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Well yeah, I was just going to say, I mean,
if you saw a New Hope in the theater the
first weekend that came out in nineteen seventies, I feel like,
that's okay, Yeah, that's legit.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Yeah, that's super. That would be a really cool if
like you could like quantum leap back to a certain time,
because you know, the lines are around the corner, and
it's not like now, were you reserve your seat ahead
of time? Like you get a seat or you don't.
It was like a mad dad.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
You were fighting for your life.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You're right, You're right. You didn't. You didn't reserve ahead
of time. You literally waited for the best seat.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, or just a seat in the theater. And if
you're if you were out of luck, you were out
of luck.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
When I saw Episode one in the theater, none of
my friends and we none of us sat together. It
was just like we found whatever open seat was possible. Yeah,
because we didn't get we didn't camp out like everybody else.
So we weren't we weren't that dedicated, uh you know
to that unfortunately. But but then when uh, the first
time I ever experienced like reserve seating was when I
came which doesn't exist anywhere the Arc Light, and I
(20:51):
was like, wait, I can reserve my seat ahead of time,
Like I don't have to worry about if I'm going
to get a seat or not. This is amazing. Why
isn't this a thing? And now it's a thing. Rips
at the Arc Light, I know they have the best
caramel popcorn.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
That yeah, not for nothing but old fashions.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah, they're called the Dukes.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I believe it was a duke. And I obviously do
not drink. I don't know that's obvious to all people.
I used to buy the Dukes because they had like
these special dark cherries and they really went in and
so I would get everyone hammered at the bar. And
then we became known as the Dukes. Yeah, it was
a bunch of people from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It was.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It was a good time was had by all as
I drank club soda, but still it was fun.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I missed that place a.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Lot for John Wayne. Is that why it's called the Duke.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
That's what I was going to ask. I see, I'm smarts.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
You're smart, I will say, though, we do need to
post a pic of your fantastic outfit. I am mildly
traumatized by the number sixty six on your on your cabet.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh sure, sure.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Soon, Johnny.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I have Actually, I'm in the middle of moving and
they've given me two parking spaces. One is number sixty
six and one is number sixty seven. I will never
bark in sixty six.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Do it.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Nope, can't condone that kind of behavior.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
No, that's the Sith sparking of the Sith parking spot.
I will not park there. I just can't the number
sixty six. It's it's too soon. Plug.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I'm sorry, I'm not over it.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, no, fair And your loyalty is you know, very
much understood. And this is not a nod to that.
But although it's a funny coincidence that that happened, but
that also is a kind of a natural segue into
Canaan in this episode, because you know, as you know
with mental health and psychology, sometimes will react to something
and it has doesn't have a lot to do with
(22:47):
the actual situation as much as it is something you're
feeling internally. And I feel like the way Canaan reacts
to Rex is more Caleb Doom reacting to Order sixty
six than it is Canaan Jar reacting to who Rex is.
And I wanted to throw that to you all because
I know sometimes that can happen. And for those who
don't know, Caleb Doom was Canon's identity when he was
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a Padawan during the Clone Wars, and he carries a
lot around Survivor's Guild. If you've seen Bad Bachelor's a
great moment of that, and it's one of the best
moments I think in Star Wars history, and one of
Freddy's best performances that I had him I've ever witnessed.
But that's what really stood out to me in this
episode was Canaan can't see Rex for who he is.
He's seen him for what he thinks he is and
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kind of puts his blanket stereotype on. If you're any
way associated with this, you're bad news. And I just
wanted to throw it to the group in terms of
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Dude, don't you think what you just said, I think
is pretty profound. Don't you think so many people do that.
It's like a sort of platonic like Plato of the
forms of the cave. You're not actually saying what it is,
You're saying what you think it is. And nowadays we're
kind of told what something is when we have.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
No idea zero cluck.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And so yeah, my thought is absolutely I think that's
the case. And I mean, I'm just sort of shuddering
at how applepoade is now.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I know. Also, you know how we often talk about uh,
how you know, on this show, I feel like there
are lessons to be learned that I personally think aren't
like being sort of rammed down your throat in an
overt way. It's sort of a little more subtle and
you but there's like lovely kind of messages to be
(24:34):
gleaned from moments throughout, you know, throughout the show, I
feel like seeing two grown men who have these preconceived notions,
especially Canaan, and not unwarranted. Let's be fair, He's not
being you know, these He's deeply traumatized by what happened,
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and he you know, carries that with him and so.
But just to like see grow men having these not
squabbles more than squabbles, but like differences of opinion and
then being able to like come to a conclusion that
maybe those those those those preconceived notions were wrong, and
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they were wrong and they can like come to a
place of mutual respect. I think is so nice to see.
We don't get to see that very often. And to
your point, Taylor, I think we could all use that
lesson and apply it to our own lives.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's a very divisive time and if we could maybe
come to a place of mutual respect. Sometimes that would
be so helpful. So yeah, I just really loved that.
I mean, skipping to the end. The end of the
episode was so touching to me. I was like having
a fun time watching all the you know, the quips
and the funny stuff and the banter and you know,
(25:55):
the funny little whatever tension between Canaan and and then
you know that last moment where there's no dialogue and
they just salute each other.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
I was like, oh that got me good.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, it made the salute at the end all the
more profound to you know, when he says I need
to go back and save my friend, he calls him
his friend. You know that that was really poignant. And yeah,
I do, John, I do agree with you that a
lot of times people are not reacting to what is
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happening in the moment that they're being triggered. And it's
interesting because we've seen this beef, you know, sort of
unfold over many episodes, from when Canaan first sees Rex
and is even told he's not a storm trooper, like
oh no, He's told the same stuff over and over again,
and it's kind of how when we're triggered logic does
not help. You know, even though you know you're not
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in that former situation, it feels like you're jumping out
of a burning building or something. It really it feels
like anxiety is something that you can't think your way
out of. But for whatever reason, for me, this episode
was all the more gratifying to kind of see that
get into the present moment and these two men were,
as t saying, like able to get current with each
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other and see each other for who they really are
in this moment, without all the stories they were telling
themselves or the triggers, and that ultimately that kindness is
what heals them in a way. I found that really beautiful.
I also thought Chopper was hilarious. I mean, he was
really in rare form. But I also I have a
(27:37):
question for JC about the uniforms.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Ezra.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
When you run into that building and you're you know,
before they turn the anti gravity thing on, I have
never seen those helmets before.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
That is like maybe just some engineer trooper dude or
something I've.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Read around the circular thing where yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah, crazy like charcoal gray with yellow.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's a good point.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Yeah, what in the world was that I don't think
you're right like servicemen yourself, But why is choppers paint job?
Like is that a thing that we've seen before? Because
I was like, oh, what is this look? I think
he's that's his storm troopper outfit. If you will have
your red black and white red, yeah, to look more like.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
That's that's a good pointment. I said that the one.
I haven't seen that either. Now that I've seen every story,
it's just crazy that this one's escaping.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Wait, y'all, I should have looked this up, and I'm
sorry that I didn't. Who voices the admiral?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Do we know?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:49):
But I do want to give a shout out to
Steve and Imperial Steve.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
They're low key like, I'm sorry five one and you
cannot well, I'm like, Steve, seriously, come.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Steve is all over this episode, not as.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I particularly like to the the commentary on looking big,
filling out the suit a little bit, because I'm always like,
there's no personality with him, and then I was like, oh, no,
I guess they don't show that side as much, but
that's hilarious and a stormtrooper.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
And also when he's going he's like rounding a corner,
rex is rounding a corner with any like kind of tugs.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
That that was really funny.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Yeah, a little bit of body shaming in this episode.
Officers like, hey, why do you take them to the commissary.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
It's like, hey, he lost place I would have taken.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, It's like, listen, man, he might be bulking. He
might be a professional bodybuilding. He's in a bolting face.
You know, that's why he hasn't He's like, you don't
even know. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It would be unreal if some of the Stormtroopers were
bodybuilders on there off.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
I mean, you would think they have the facilities and
like the nutrition and the recovery you know, efforts. You know,
that's an insane thought because if they have like back
the tanks and stuff like that, the recovery methods that
they would have, if they actually pursue bodybuilding, they probably
all would be super super jacked.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Got to get them gains. Yeah, all the time in apace.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Yeah, all their creatine and everything, it's all it's all
there in the Commissary. So I when we're talking about
and thank you all for such insightful answers. When it
came to like the whole canon thing and where he's
reacting from. And what also came to mind for me
is there's a term in psychology called anchoring bias or
anchoring is when you have something that's like your baseline
(30:34):
of information. So say, I'll use movies as an example.
If your standard a measure of a good movie is
Star Wars, and then you watch another movie that's completely
of a different genre and you're like, well, I don't
like it because it's not Star Wars. But it's like, yeah,
but that's like going to a restaurant, like an Italian restaurant.
You get spaghetti meatballs and go, well, this doesn't taste
like pad tai, So I don't like it, Like you're
(30:54):
using the wrong criteria for the wrong thing. And I
feel like that comes into play here too, because is
Canaan's anchor for anything Clone or Storm Trip related, as
they're all bad. I don't care who you are, I
don't care what you tell me. This is what it
is and you can't sway me from that. But thanks
to Ezra living up to his name being like the
bridger of the thing to help them awaken, like Kane's like,
(31:16):
oh wait a minute, you know, it's so crazy for
us to watch as viewers because we know that Rex
serve with Anakin. You know, he starved alongside with all
the Jedi, risked his life multiple times to protect the
Jedi at all costs. And it's like, Canaan, can do
you not see like he is one of the good guys.
But then finally Ezra helps bridge that gap and and
(31:38):
you know how Anakin said, this is where the fun begins.
I feel like the end of the episode talking with
the salute, if there's like a meme, it's like, this
is where the healing begins. I feel like would be
those two.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
You excellent lightsaber fighting. By the way, Ezra in this.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Else like Parkore is dude, next level, look at you
owning it.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
I will say that you know how you've been.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh whoa where is this? Listeners?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You can't see the seventy facial expressions that are I
can only guarantee you going to come out with like
a kind of backhanded something.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Yeah, that's that's that's a good.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
You know how you've been touting powerful, powerful the Jedi.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Ezra is and how maybe he's the most powerful Jedi
of all time.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
You've never said that. What was I have never what's
the claim? What's your someone asked me at a con
that we're at. He was like, which, you guys spoke
with this person as well. He and it's we're doing
it on camera and hit me with the question like
where does he rank? And then I was like, dude,
I don't know enough Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You tell me.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
And he gave me a rank and he was like, dude,
he's got to be in this top five. And I
was like, hey, guys, Ezra's top five you and then
you're like, absolutely not, So that is all I said.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I was like, I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Okay, here, okay, fair enough. And here's where the compliment
park kicks it. In that scene where you're like parkouring
all over the tunnel or whatever the corridor and you're
like light sabering and doing all this, you know, these
fancy moves.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
I was like, okay, I mean not.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay, he's the strongest Jedi in the galaxy, but okay,
he is really really coming into his own and his
powers and his like control of his abilities and control
of the Force is.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Really you know, coming along real nice. So I and it's.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Only season two that's right to your point, and then
conjoining it with what John was saying, I I know
that like physically that will come together, but I'm more
impressed with how emotionally he like now that I'm seeing
more of Anakin's arc and then I know Luke's like
emotionally as a Jedi, I'm like the fact that he
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can show Canaan Rex in a new light and really
like the way he's already begun to and I know
will further experience Ahsoka and a lot of these people
in the galaxy. I think that's what's so impressive where
I'm like, maybe it's just my own bias and connotation
of strength, but that is like the strength that I'm
(34:29):
seeing that I'm like, oh yeah, he's he's growing into
something emotionally and sort of like in an awareness level,
very strong.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
A great.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
I'm so glad you brought that up, Taylor, because there's
another there's a quote that I wrote down, and I
know when we did Wings of the Master, I quoted
doctor Paul Murray when my brother's draw circle to exclude me.
So Paul Murray had this other line from a poem
that doctor Paully Mury wrote which said, hope is a
song and a weary throat, And what that means is
like it's capturing this paradox of hope. It doesn't come
(34:59):
always from streng their certainty. Sometimes it just comes from
pure exhaustion and the voices that feel worn down, but
they keep on pushing through anyway. And I feel like
here the weary throat is Ezra. He's so tired of
his mentors constant bickering and almost like tired of being
treated as a kid who doesn't have his own voice,
that it took him to go to their like I
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this is why I left because of you two. And
I felt like that quote was very fitting to Ezra
in this episode because they pushed him to that point
of he had to speak up let them know, this
is why I'm doing it, but not in like a
disrespect way, just very matter of fact. And that's why
I feel like this is planking the seed for Ezra
really becoming the leader. Because as a leader, as you
all know, sometimes you have to have uncomfortable conversation do
(35:44):
you got to make decisions that are very difficult, and
I'm sure that was very difficult for Ezra to have
to step up and do that because these are two
men he very much respects and reverers.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
You know, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And I mean I'm going
to be exhausting now with this, No, because with.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Likes less like Luke.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Where with Luke we he knows once he finds out
what his parents story is, right, because I always talked
about with Ezra, the real drive of everything was his parents,
like beyond all this, That's why the found family is
so big for him, and they all have their reason
for it. But his is actually more similar to Anakin's
with his mom once he finds out like it was
(36:26):
taken from him, and that is that is much more
similar to Ezra than Luke and his parental situation, you
know what I mean. Where often what I hear at
conventions from people is like, oh, it's phwing sort of
a Luke traductory and then goes this way. I think,
at least for the big anchoring point of his parents,
it's more Anakin, and Anakin then acts out of like
the anger of it and more emotional. But Ezra's finding
(36:47):
something cool.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So I finished.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
The third one is a real treat, I have to say.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
So tune into you, guys, trow.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
You guys, that's what the podcast is called.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
You guys, let me tell you about jar Jar binks.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
You guys are not going to believe this. That's how
every podcast episode starts out.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
You know what, You got yourself a subscriber there, Taylor,
So hell.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
No, I'm definitely subscribing to that.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I would listen to that. If you started a podcast
like that, I would be all in. Just just throwing
that out, that's already happening.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'm committed to Potter Rebellion for the time.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
Good answer, All.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Right, no letter of intent yet. At the end of
the year, enter the transfer portal. See what happens. Awesome. Awesome. Well,
I think this may be the natural transition to fact check,
unless there's anything else y'all want to bring up. But
I think Jc's probably ready to educate us now and
(37:55):
tell us everything we got wrong. So Jac, what do
we have today?
Speaker 9 (37:59):
Okay, let's see not a lot wrong, but I'm going
to fill in the gaps on some stuff. John. In
your intro, you call it an interdictor cruiser, which is
definitely an old school name for that. They don't actually
mention that in the episode at all. Because I was
waiting for it the background on the Introdictor Cruiser is.
(38:20):
It showed up first time in the Imperial source Book
from West End Games from nineteen eighty nine, which we
briefly talked about on episode seven when we were talking
about the b Wing. We were talking about West End Games.
The first kind of time you saw that in story
form was Timothy Zahn used did quite a bit in
the Air of the Empire books in nineteen ninety one.
(38:43):
The first canon appearance of the Interdictor Cruiser or current
canon appearance was in the Tarken book. But this is
the first time you see it on screen, and it's
very faithful representation to what was in the Imperial source
Book from West End Games. And just because I'm going
(39:04):
to be nerdy about it, I was really exciting. Back
in the day Cannon, the idea was that the gravity
of a planet restricted a ship from going to hyperspace
until it was a certain distance away from the planet.
So you see a lot in current Star Wars they
(39:26):
fly through the clouds and go off to hyperspace and
nobody can catch them and it's like this quick escape roup.
But in the old Star Wars legends, there was always
like an intense chapter where they had to get a
certain distance away from a planet before they could go
to hyperspace because the planet's gravity would restrict the hyperspace
(39:48):
engines from allowing them to take off. The interdictor cruiser
was the Empire's answer to that, and they used to
park them in hyperspace lanes like the three Ways of
Hyperspace that ships used to travel to police the sort
of rebel activity. Anyway, it was super exciting for an
(40:09):
old school nerd like me to watch this in this
episode and kind of see them stay faithful to what
I knew, but also add to it also a big announcement,
I am retiring after this episode. Taylor will be doing
the fact check from now on.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I was going to have you as.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
I don't like any of that that.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
I was like, wait a minute, I'm going to add though, Taylor,
whenever you get around to watching Star Wars episode three,
it seems like you're super into the Anakin arc. I
just want to put out there for you. Clone Wars
has a million episodes. You're probably not going to get
through all of Clone Wars in the next couple of months,
but if you get through Star Wars episode three, and
(40:58):
you really want to see some really cool Anakin stuff
that happens between episode two and episode three. There's a
three episode arc and Clone War season six. It's episodes five,
episode six, and episode seven. Particularly episode six is called
the Rise of Clovis, and it deals with Anakin's jealousy
(41:21):
over Padme going on a secret mission with an ex boyfriend.
So if you really want to see some Anakin, like
the best Anakin stuff more so than what you're watching,
in my opinion with Hayden and you in in episode two,
that is that will fill in the gaps that you
will inevitably have between episode two and three. What happened
(41:44):
those three episodes? Check those out, or anybody watching at
home or listening at home to this podcast, go back
and revisit those that are incredible, like a literal fistfight
between current husband and ex boyfriend. It's crazy for especially
for animation. We talked briefly about Chopper's body count and
(42:08):
what that looks like and how many people are crewed
on an interdictor cruiser versus whatever, So I went a
little bit deep on this. An interdictor cruiser has about
two thousand, eight hundred crew members on it eight hundred,
and it pulls into smaller ships, so you know, maybe
we're looking at four thousand death count on this. An
(42:34):
Imperial Star destroyer has about a crew of about thirty
seven thousand. Whow a super star destroyer like the Executor,
which was Darth Vader starship the big kind of black
and Blue one is two hundred and eighty thousand. So
in Return of the Jedi, the A wing pilot Rvell
(42:58):
Crintid flies his A wing through the bridge of the
of the Star destroy and it crashes into the Second
death Star. That's a body count of about two hundred
and eighty thousand. Luke Skywalker who blew up the first
death Star, There's an estimated one point two million people
on the Death Star, so Luke is at that point
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the greatest war criminal of all time. However, the Second
Death Star was about twenty five percent bigger than the
first death Star. The first death Star had about one
hundred and twenty kilometer diameter, the second death Star one
hundred and sixty. There is some debate amongst that, but
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there is about a forty kilometer difference between the original
Death Star and the Second death Star. No matter who
you talk to that had a crew of about two
point four to seven million, so it breaks down to
about four hundred and eighty five thousand crew members, one
hundred and fifty two thousand gunners, one point three million
in troops, one hundred and fifty seven thousand infantry infantry,
(44:04):
seventy five thousand technical personnel. Janitor's computer texts people like that,
and three hundred and thirty four thousand pilots. So using
those numbers, Lando, who blew up the second Desk Star
is now the greatest war criminal of all time. And
Chopper has according to the Internet, about nineteen to twenty
(44:29):
direct kills. Those are people he blew up with bombs
or something like that. His total kill count is about
fifty thousand. It's more than any of us, so it's
probably the for a droid. He probably has the greatest
kill count, but he still falls short of Arville, current
At Luke, Skywalker, and Landoca Resim.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (44:53):
The interrogation Droid is an ito interrogation droid, and I
think we mentioned this on a fact check in one
of the earlier episodes. The rumor on that is is
that hypodermic needle is put on the droid because George
Lucas is diabetic and it was like a subconscious way
(45:13):
of him, you know, this needle thing. Vanessa. You mentioned
the crew members in the kind of interdictor gravity well
crew tech people. Those helmets are actually the same helmets
that the Death Star gunners.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Use, different color.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
Yeah, and their uniforms are very similar to the scanning
crew uniforms of the scanning crew that goes on the
Millennium Falcon in Stars episode for Taylor. You old know
more about that in a few weeks when you get
to that.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
At the end of the day, I was planning to
hit the rest of the movie next year, so no, and.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Then the last thing I have is the Admiral. The
admiral's name is Brahm Titus. He is voiced by Derek Partridge.
And the inside baseball joke in Star Wars Rebels is
every time Admiral Titus appears, he is demoted. So the
(46:17):
next time we see him, he won't be an admiral,
he'll be a general, and then he'll be a you know,
officer and a commander or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
That's funny.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
That's what I got for this episode.
Speaker 7 (46:29):
That was fantastic, per usual, So I'm looking up Darren.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
I am blown away. I really thought Chopper was a
way worse war criminal. And I guess the charcoal color
of the helmets made me think that it was something
completely unique. But I guess, yes, that type of helmet. Yeah,
that tracks. Thanks man, I feel better.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
Thank you. Are we using the term war criminalssly?
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Because I feel like these are enemy combatants, right, Like
he's not going out and murdering civilians.
Speaker 7 (47:02):
No, no, no, Well from a.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
Certain point of view, you yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Don't know the empire's point of view.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Well, I mean that's all you got to take both
both into account.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
That's that's how social media refers to him as like
the greatest war criminal.
Speaker 7 (47:17):
Okay, I feel like that's yeah, breaks on that one. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (47:23):
To quote my friend Kevin Smith from his movie Clerks,
which came out in nineteen ninety three, there were contractors
on the desk Star. I mean I quoted, there's like
some people in there, you.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Know, commissary workers, jenerators.
Speaker 9 (47:40):
Seventy five thousand technical workers that you know are not
enlisted people.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
So all right, tax dollars at work, you know, Galectic
Universal Star Wars take that work. You will ever let's
get into that the Taxes star Wars. Well, that's coming
up on You Guys with Taylor Gray, so you're gonna
have to tune into that one. Thanks. That's like a
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ten part minimum with Malcolm Gladwell as your special guest,
and you guys can break that down.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
That one.
Speaker 9 (48:13):
And the taxation of trade routes is what directly led
to the fall of the Republic, right, so let's not
mess around with tariffs.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
That's totally I don't know, that's totally that's totally unrelatable.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
JC.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
I don't even know what you're talking about. But maybe
one day we'll understand. But until then, we're gonna say
r fairwells and thank you as always to the to
the four of you, and we'll see you all next week.
Next week is a very fun episode. They're all fun,
but next week in particular is very action packed and
the return of a couple of inquisitor siblings. But you
don't have to wait till next week. But in the meantime,
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tune into You Guys with Taylor Gray and then we'll
see you all next week. But until then, Taylor Gray
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He the music.
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Hi everyone, It's ts R. Carr voices, Sabine Run Specter five.
And with us we also have Hey, everybody, what's up.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.
And guess what we have someone else with us?
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Yes, you do. Hey, everybody, it's John Lee Brody, your
friendly neighborhood moderator for the pot of Rebellion. And today
we're going over season two, episode nine, Stealth Strike. I
know that's very dramatic, Stealth Strake. Here we go, how's everybody.
I always like to do the check in and this
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is a this is Okay, this is a fun episode.
On the surface, it's kind of like pretty straightforward, but
when you look at the character layering, there's a lot
of development and like planting the seed of what's the
come and uh, anyways, what are we gonna get to that?
But how is everybody good?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, I'm I'm, I know that this is an audio thing,
but we all have socials up and some we got
to put your your fit up on social Definitely, you're
looking very cool and like kind of speed racer a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah cool.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think that's cool.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
I think so. And when that movie came out, because
that movie I like that movie from the watch how skis?
That came out in two thousand and eight. It had
the misfortunate of coming out like the same weekend. It's
Iron Man, and there's no way they were going to
win that box office. But I rewatched it and I
was like, this movie is good. This movie's a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's just the mesh.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Yeah, did you.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Rewatch it recently and say, I gotta I gotta put
together a fit that is reminiscent of this great movie.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
It was exactly that. As soon as I went right
to like Etsy and Amazon, any place I could find
a good fit. And but these glasses shout out the Therispecks,
who are not a sponsor, at least not yet. There
might be something there, but they specialize in people with
sensory needs, so people don't know. I'm on level one
of the autim spectrum and sometimes my light sensitivity is
a bit much and they gave me these glasses and
(02:43):
it's like it's like I escaped the matrix. I'm using
my eyes for the first time.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's wow, that's incredible. What is it is it? Actually
it's a bulls jacket. Huh yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah, because it is basketball season now, because all the
press day is happening, so I'm rocketing.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Of what the MLB playoffs, basketball season's coming around. We're
in the middle football season. This is a good time.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
It's a great time. And also a shout out to
you go just came from Okalla. It was Mike Kennedy
was the name of the fan. Yeah, and I love
that photo he posted of all y'all with the jerseys,
like he gave you all the jerseys. I thought he
was so cool. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Can I just tell you something?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So so when we saw him, I knew we were
going to see him. I knew he was going to
have the jerseys. I will admit that I don't listen
to our podcast because we do it, so I know
what is said. So I was like, he was like, hey,
so that episode hasn't come out yet, and I'm like,
wait what and he was like, yeah, the episode. You
guys talked about it, right, he said, We totally talked
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about it. We had a whole discussion about who everyone thought,
you know, Zeb would be. And he was like, yeah,
it hasn't come out yet, but John, on a different episode,
I think once you might have like referenced that Zeb
could be Shack.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
And so he was like, so I just went with it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And I'm like, that's really amazing because out of the
four of us, three of three of y'all said Shack,
and then I.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Said Charles Berkley.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
But so apparently that episode had not aired, but he
had the foresight to get a Shack jersey for Steve,
who was so absolutely like slum mixed by what was
going on? Why are there jerseys? We were like, well,
explain it to you later. Anyway, I thought it was
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a really cute photo.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
OK, that was all and not just any Shack, Orlando Shack,
because Orlando Shack was something different. Like I know he
had his prime with the Lakers, and that's when he
really became big, big, big, big Diesel. But when when
you all look at Shack on Orlando Magic, it's scary
how big he is. But also he was like jacked.
He was like cut and like running the floor. Orlando Shack,
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like that version of him juxtaposed to like maybe two
thousand and three Shack would have been a real scary.
It's like scary to imagine like the different levels of
Shack that we've had. So I'd love that he went
with Orlando Magic Shack. That was really cool.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Well that was a that was a fun one. So
thanks Mike. Thanks Mike for.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And he also came. We did that group one and
then he had separate photo ops with each of us
and he made t shirts like for each of our
characters and went and did like a quick like a
we didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Get to do an Isra on them. He did Thunderstruck
with me. He wore Kevin, did you guys do this?
I kneeled down so it looks like he's a half taller.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Than Mike if you're listening, which I think you will be,
You're gonna have to send those photos into the to
the pod email please so that we can see and share.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, well done.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Yeah, absolutely that that made me so happy when when
I when I saw that photo because he tagged the
Pot of Rebellion Instagram and then I saw I was like, oh,
there's Korean, there's words, and there's Orlando Magic Shack with
Steve Bloom who I love that you gave me. That's
that subtext of what was going through his tea's mind
because I could tell He's like, look, I'm going to
go with it, but she was.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Like, what is actually happening right now? He said, no
time to.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Explain, hold it up, and he's just like, Okay, he's
a good sport, as he always is. We got to
get him back on here sometimes because we brought him
on early. But we've got a good Zet episode coming up,
I think in like three or four episodes, so maybe
maybe we'll try to get Steve on here. But yeah,
well before then, what do you say we get into
this recap and we'll talk about this episode and whatever
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else comes up. So let's just see what happens I
don't know what's going to happen once yeah, I mean,
but all right, here we go. Here comes the recap
for season two, episode nine, Stealth Strike, original air date
November twenty fifth, twenty fifteen. Here we go. Ezra just
wanted to have a nice, simple side quest with Commandosauto,
but instead they're yanked right out of hyperspace by the
Empire and captured. At this point, though this is pretty
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much par for the course for the young Padawan, it's
now up to the unlikely duo of Canaan and Rex
to get Ezra and the others out of there. The
only problem is these two get along just about as
well as Teo and Donovic McNab in two thousand and five.
But despite that, the two get on their best Storren
Trooper cosplay and the rescue attenth of Ezra and the
others from Phoenix Squadron is underway from Rex using his
(07:14):
old veteran tricks to get them on board the Medicine
Imperial Interdictor Cruiser to Canaan using his Jedi mind tricks.
The talents of each of them are on full display. Meanwhile,
though Ezra isn't just sitting around way to be rescued
despite being surrounded by stormtroopers. Ezra takes him out with
ease like he's Kevin Mcallisher taking out the Wet Bandits,
but in the process he ends up knocking out Kane,
and he ends up knocking Canaan in the Rex unconscious,
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and it is here in these moments that the student
becomes the teacher, or in a way, the babysitter. When
Canaan and Rex still can't put their differences aside, and
Ezra reveals that they're constant arguing is the reason he
wanted to do the Siquists with Sato in the first place.
That seemed to be the awakening the Jedi and the
Clone needed as they find a way to work together
through the Fireflight, which includes at one point Canaan rescuing
Rex and them sharing an escape pod, and it's capped
(07:57):
off with Chopper sabotage. In the war gravity cores on
the Interdictor, which renders the Empire's new toy completely moot,
and Canaan and Rets go from oil and water to
a more friend of me type dynamic and despite the
fact then neither will be referring to the other as
their bff just yet the two of them, when all
said and done, like the Aretha Franklin song, end up
with R E S P E C T for one another.
(08:17):
And that is the recap for Season too, Episode nine
stell Strike nice, excellent work as all excellent, Thank you,
thank you. I always gotta I realized I have a
pattern of there's like some sort of song reference, so
that if anything, and then there's.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
A song reference, there's a sports reference, and there's usually
some kind of historical event reference.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And yeah, yeah, yeah for it.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
You know how I feel.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
About these absolutely well. I appreciate it. I appreciate and
this is so this is a again on the surface,
it's like, Okay, Canon's captured and not Kane. I just captured.
But as there finds a way they got to go
get them. But I felt like this was a great
character building episode for Canaan, for Rex. I saw a
lot of I felt like, and we can start with this,
(09:06):
and because I'm curious if your thoughts, Taylor, particularly like
Ezra kind of as a parentification like almost acting like
the adult with Canaan and Rex. I feel like this
was planking the seed for Ezra really becoming the leader
because he took that leadership role and be like, hey, guys,
get your stuff together, because I don't have time for this.
What are your thoughts on them?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I'm about to come clean. Well one, if nothing I
say makes sense, I have an excuse. I just landed
from Europe. But on the plane, I've been flying around
a lot. I watched the first Star Wars movie, and
on part way through the second store to me so
I watched Phantom Menace and now I'm in the Clones.
So for any haters about the Clones, I get it now,
(09:47):
Clone Droopers, Stormtroopers, fully understand what that was about.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I still have finished the movie. But yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
An hour and and there's a little bit of this
Anaki in aspect of like I didn't realize Anakin was
such a pump to Obi Wan in the second episode,
like get off my back, dude, Like I got this,
and you see some of that not as bad, you
know what I mean? With Ezra, It's not it's not
as uh malicious, like where we know where Anakin's going?
(10:18):
Spoiler to all of you.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Guys, what happens? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, I got to get to the movie, but.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I understood the stormtrooper aspect of it, but there there
is that thing of him sort of growing in his
power and realizing, oh, no, I can handle a bit
of this, and also the whole thing of like dads
are fighting, it makes sense that he has to take
over a bit and like he's already broken himself out
by the time that they've come, so it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He doesn't need them, but he didn't need them, and I.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Guess it also answered a question for me where I
was always cures how strong his stun gun was, and
that kind of told me. It gives you a sort
of days to confused. It kind of like the pro
I mean, now, guys, it's gonna be bad. I'm not
only reference to these movies. It's kind it's kind of
like episode one on the pod Racer. It's kind of
(11:13):
like that type of stunt when when like Jorji Binks
puts his tongue in it and gets hit and what
is right now?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You guys are done before? What are you done with?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Taylor Gray?
Speaker 6 (11:26):
You your job's in trouble, my friend, you gotta watch out.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
I also love that I don't know how many.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Episodes of this podcast ago. It was that you were like, wait,
clone troopers are and then in this episode, Vanessa, don't
you doesn't Harris say he's a clone trooper? It's different.
There you go for anyone who was confused as well.
I really liked first of all, Canaan is so salty
(11:58):
in this episode, like from the j oh like you
need to eat a Snickers or something not feeling like crabby.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Also, I really love how Choppers sold you out so
hard so quick. He's like oh uh, and Chopper's like,
actually here. I love the banter and the I feel
like maybe it's because you have so much to do
in this episode, Taylor, I felt like rewatching it, I
(12:29):
was like, I hear your I hear your personality so
much in this episode, Vanessa, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Like, oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
It was just like, well that's Taylor.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Well yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I mean like when when people say to us, oh,
I love the podcast because it feels like an extension
of the show and they missed the show. Watching that
episode in particular, I was like, oh, I can kind
of see how hanging out with us on the podcast
is very similar to hanging with Ezra, you know, for
four seasons a little bit.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
I mean, Taylor, obviously you're your own man.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
I mean, but a little bit bit.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
But but yeah, and I was also I felt like
I needed a little more Sabine in the episode, saying
just a wee bit more, and yet I was happy
to see the guys kind of do their thing as well.
But I'm very impressed with your Star Wars knowledge, Taylor.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
This is it's over for everyone because I'm going to
break this thing down.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I have a separate podcast that is going to be
talking about the movies.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Taylor is going to have a separate podcast. It's just
called you guys, and it's being like, you, guys, did
you know?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And everyone's like, yeah, we knew that, it's only you
that didn't know.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
This is like our Agatha all along sort of moment
where this whole thing was actually a backdoor pilot to
Taylor's podcast. So this is I'll surprise everybody a minute.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The question I have early on for JC and but
I'm yours, John, what you think the answer is? So
everyone always says like we hear conventions and we're not sharp.
Chopper is one of the biggest war criminals in Star Wars.
He's killed more people than most anyone At the end
of this episode he destroys the Star Destroyer.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
How many people is that?
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Like, watch his body count exactly?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, oh well, okay, initially.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
That's what that meant. Okay, originally that war that I.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Was like, whoa, whoa, that's a great question, because you know,
if we stack Chopper up against like the Freddy Krueger's,
the Jason Vorhees, I think he has exponentially more kills
than like maybe every Slasher villain combined because of this
one episode. Because that's a big ship there, that's a.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Whole village, right, Like, how many people is a Star Destroyers?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Yeah, he's like, well, the square footage isn't when you
carry the two it's actually this many people, but a
lot of people. I never thought of that.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, I hadn't either, just because he's like discovery, we
don't eat, Like, I don't think about him being like
a stone cold killer.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Also, I'm sure this occurred to you and well all
of you probably you sure understand everything that Chopper is
meeping at you this whole episode.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
The same thing I was like, and a lot of
times with zeb too, where he's like r rural, He's
like giving a dissertation.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
I'm going, hey, guys, no idea, what's happening?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I mean he sounds disgruntled in general, but what exactly
is transpiring there?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
But he always sounds disgruntled.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
But you guys are having like full backed and forward
like oh no, come on, are you sure?
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Like?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Now it does it go in and out? Do you
sometimes understanding? You sometimes don't?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
But yeah, that is exactly the point that I was saying,
like way early, it's like it's how that goes. But
now that I'm into the movies, I'm also realizing the
same thing. Little here, a little there, Like.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
You're saying that there are incans.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I'm not going, I go j JC.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I can't wait to mean, if it's coming, build me
and talk about some of this.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Wait, oh I have a question for it.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Sorry John, I think I was going to ask y'all,
slash JC, what was that droidy proby thing that was
supposed to you know, take Rex out?
Speaker 7 (16:23):
But did you call it an introdictor?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
No?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
So that the introdictor is the name of the ship
the ship ship?
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Sorry? Sorry, so what is that little thing.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
So I don't remember the in Star Wars fans, please
don't be too mad at me. I can't remember the
exact name of it, but I remember first seeing it
in A New Hope because it's supposed to almost like
have like a truth serum thing where I forced you
to confess, but I.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Needle singy right, and that's the probe or whatever.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Okay, there's a lot of a New Hope. I feel
like references in this one because them dressing up as stormtroopers,
and I really liked the the self referentialness of the
episode where it's like, how are we going to get there?
And they show the shuttle and kan is like how
do they let us keep stealing me?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It was very like sort of tongue in cheek. There
was a lot of moments like that. Kanaan had some
jokes too. Yeah, yeah, I love it when when Freddy
gets to be you know, Canaan is such a serious,
often somber character, and so when he gets to say
like these funny silly Quippi lines, I really enjoy that
(17:26):
because Freddy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, it makes you want more of that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I also thought that I'm surprised or maybe you've seen it,
and I just have it that people haven't made shirts
of the graffiti, the.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Oh yeah, the directions and dynamic. Yeah yeah, I actually
had forgotten.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I was like, oh, that must I'd forgotten that that
was even in this thing. I actually kind of admittedly
did not remember this this episode very well or almost
at all, so it was like I was watching it
for the first time. It was a fun ride. I
really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I don't know how I was a part of all
of these shows and didn't realize how many Java references
they're I think there's a new drinking game there is
hang on and I was the chairperson, and then Tia
Sabina swiftly made the vice chairperson and Taylor, I think
(18:22):
we need another drinking game for Java.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah you need?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, well there's more coming, all right, but no, no,
like I remember he says what Lando Brontide is, Yeah,
he could say, but he never does. You know, I
don't want to dance yet. But yeah, I didn't realize.
I thought he just said jab at once.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
And it's so many times.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I kind of feel like calling Freddy, like in real
time right now and just saying, like, yo, your little
padawan is really growing up right now, right in front
of our eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I feel like I just it just took an eleven
hour flight and I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
He's like, all right, I guess they're doings later.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Oh that's great. Or he'll go exactly like huh, all
right to be one of those two.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So you guys, it's cool.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Good for him.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I think it would make him, even if he didn't
show it, he would be very pleased that Taylor finally
is showing some interest.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
True. Steve and I have talked to Steve's on the
same plane. Steve just handles it better. Steve just goes
along with He's like I saw it when I was.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
The weekend episode before.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Every I'm not out of Steve here, but have plenty
conversations about this.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
He's in the same boat as me.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Well he has, you know, like years.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Well yeah, I was just going to say, I mean,
if you saw a New Hope in the theater the
first weekend that came out in nineteen seventies, I feel like,
that's okay, Yeah, that's legit.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Yeah, that's super. That would be a really cool if
like you could like quantum leap back to a certain time,
because you know, the lines are around the corner, and
it's not like now, were you reserve your seat ahead
of time? Like you get a seat or you don't.
It was like a mad dad.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
You were fighting for your life.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You're right, You're right. You didn't. You didn't reserve ahead
of time. You literally waited for the best seat.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, or just a seat in the theater. And if
you're if you were out of luck, you were out
of luck.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
When I saw Episode one in the theater, none of
my friends and we none of us sat together. It
was just like we found whatever open seat was possible. Yeah,
because we didn't get we didn't camp out like everybody else.
So we weren't we weren't that dedicated, uh you know
to that unfortunately. But but then when uh, the first
time I ever experienced like reserve seating was when I
came which doesn't exist anywhere the Arc Light, and I
(20:51):
was like, wait, I can reserve my seat ahead of time,
Like I don't have to worry about if I'm going
to get a seat or not. This is amazing. Why
isn't this a thing? And now it's a thing. Rips
at the Arc Light, I know they have the best
caramel popcorn.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
That yeah, not for nothing but old fashions.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah, they're called the Dukes.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I believe it was a duke. And I obviously do
not drink. I don't know that's obvious to all people.
I used to buy the Dukes because they had like
these special dark cherries and they really went in and
so I would get everyone hammered at the bar. And
then we became known as the Dukes. Yeah, it was
a bunch of people from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It was.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It was a good time was had by all as
I drank club soda, but still it was fun.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I missed that place a.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Lot for John Wayne. Is that why it's called the Duke.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
That's what I was going to ask. I see, I'm smarts.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
You're smart, I will say, though, we do need to
post a pic of your fantastic outfit. I am mildly
traumatized by the number sixty six on your on your cabet.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh sure, sure.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Soon, Johnny.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I have Actually, I'm in the middle of moving and
they've given me two parking spaces. One is number sixty
six and one is number sixty seven. I will never
bark in sixty six.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Do it.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Nope, can't condone that kind of behavior.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
No, that's the Sith sparking of the Sith parking spot.
I will not park there. I just can't the number
sixty six. It's it's too soon. Plug.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I'm sorry, I'm not over it.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, no, fair And your loyalty is you know, very
much understood. And this is not a nod to that.
But although it's a funny coincidence that that happened, but
that also is a kind of a natural segue into
Canaan in this episode, because you know, as you know
with mental health and psychology, sometimes will react to something
and it has doesn't have a lot to do with
(22:47):
the actual situation as much as it is something you're
feeling internally. And I feel like the way Canaan reacts
to Rex is more Caleb Doom reacting to Order sixty
six than it is Canaan Jar reacting to who Rex is.
And I wanted to throw that to you all because
I know sometimes that can happen. And for those who
don't know, Caleb Doom was Canon's identity when he was
(23:08):
a Padawan during the Clone Wars, and he carries a
lot around Survivor's Guild. If you've seen Bad Bachelor's a
great moment of that, and it's one of the best
moments I think in Star Wars history, and one of
Freddy's best performances that I had him I've ever witnessed.
But that's what really stood out to me in this
episode was Canaan can't see Rex for who he is.
He's seen him for what he thinks he is and
(23:30):
kind of puts his blanket stereotype on. If you're any
way associated with this, you're bad news. And I just
wanted to throw it to the group in terms of
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Dude, don't you think what you just said, I think
is pretty profound. Don't you think so many people do that.
It's like a sort of platonic like Plato of the
forms of the cave. You're not actually saying what it is,
You're saying what you think it is. And nowadays we're
kind of told what something is when we have.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
No idea zero cluck.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And so yeah, my thought is absolutely I think that's
the case. And I mean, I'm just sort of shuddering
at how applepoade is now.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I know. Also, you know how we often talk about uh,
how you know, on this show, I feel like there
are lessons to be learned that I personally think aren't
like being sort of rammed down your throat in an
overt way. It's sort of a little more subtle and
you but there's like lovely kind of messages to be
(24:34):
gleaned from moments throughout, you know, throughout the show, I
feel like seeing two grown men who have these preconceived notions,
especially Canaan, and not unwarranted. Let's be fair, He's not
being you know, these He's deeply traumatized by what happened,
(24:54):
and he you know, carries that with him and so.
But just to like see grow men having these not
squabbles more than squabbles, but like differences of opinion and
then being able to like come to a conclusion that
maybe those those those those preconceived notions were wrong, and
(25:17):
they were wrong and they can like come to a
place of mutual respect. I think is so nice to see.
We don't get to see that very often. And to
your point, Taylor, I think we could all use that
lesson and apply it to our own lives.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's a very divisive time and if we could maybe
come to a place of mutual respect. Sometimes that would
be so helpful. So yeah, I just really loved that.
I mean, skipping to the end. The end of the
episode was so touching to me. I was like having
a fun time watching all the you know, the quips
and the funny stuff and the banter and you know,
(25:55):
the funny little whatever tension between Canaan and and then
you know that last moment where there's no dialogue and
they just salute each other.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
I was like, oh that got me good.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, it made the salute at the end all the
more profound to you know, when he says I need
to go back and save my friend, he calls him
his friend. You know that that was really poignant. And yeah,
I do, John, I do agree with you that a
lot of times people are not reacting to what is
(26:32):
happening in the moment that they're being triggered. And it's
interesting because we've seen this beef, you know, sort of
unfold over many episodes, from when Canaan first sees Rex
and is even told he's not a storm trooper, like
oh no, He's told the same stuff over and over again,
and it's kind of how when we're triggered logic does
not help. You know, even though you know you're not
(26:54):
in that former situation, it feels like you're jumping out
of a burning building or something. It really it feels
like anxiety is something that you can't think your way
out of. But for whatever reason, for me, this episode
was all the more gratifying to kind of see that
get into the present moment and these two men were,
as t saying, like able to get current with each
(27:16):
other and see each other for who they really are
in this moment, without all the stories they were telling
themselves or the triggers, and that ultimately that kindness is
what heals them in a way. I found that really beautiful.
I also thought Chopper was hilarious. I mean, he was
really in rare form. But I also I have a
(27:37):
question for JC about the uniforms.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Ezra.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
When you run into that building and you're you know,
before they turn the anti gravity thing on, I have
never seen those helmets before.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
That is like maybe just some engineer trooper dude or
something I've.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Read around the circular thing where yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yeah, yeah, crazy like charcoal gray with yellow.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's a good point.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Yeah, what in the world was that I don't think
you're right like servicemen yourself, But why is choppers paint job?
Like is that a thing that we've seen before? Because
I was like, oh, what is this look? I think
he's that's his storm troopper outfit. If you will have
your red black and white red, yeah, to look more like.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
That's that's a good pointment. I said that the one.
I haven't seen that either. Now that I've seen every story,
it's just crazy that this one's escaping.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Wait, y'all, I should have looked this up, and I'm
sorry that I didn't. Who voices the admiral?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Do we know?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:49):
But I do want to give a shout out to
Steve and Imperial Steve.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
They're low key like, I'm sorry five one and you
cannot well, I'm like, Steve, seriously, come.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Steve is all over this episode, not as.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I particularly like to the the commentary on looking big,
filling out the suit a little bit, because I'm always like,
there's no personality with him, and then I was like, oh, no,
I guess they don't show that side as much, but
that's hilarious and a stormtrooper.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
And also when he's going he's like rounding a corner,
rex is rounding a corner with any like kind of tugs.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
That that was really funny.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Yeah, a little bit of body shaming in this episode.
Officers like, hey, why do you take them to the commissary.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
It's like, hey, he lost place I would have taken.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, It's like, listen, man, he might be bulking. He
might be a professional bodybuilding. He's in a bolting face.
You know, that's why he hasn't He's like, you don't
even know. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It would be unreal if some of the Stormtroopers were
bodybuilders on there off.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
I mean, you would think they have the facilities and
like the nutrition and the recovery you know, efforts. You know,
that's an insane thought because if they have like back
the tanks and stuff like that, the recovery methods that
they would have, if they actually pursue bodybuilding, they probably
all would be super super jacked.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Got to get them gains. Yeah, all the time in apace.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Yeah, all their creatine and everything, it's all it's all
there in the Commissary. So I when we're talking about
and thank you all for such insightful answers. When it
came to like the whole canon thing and where he's
reacting from. And what also came to mind for me
is there's a term in psychology called anchoring bias or
anchoring is when you have something that's like your baseline
(30:34):
of information. So say, I'll use movies as an example.
If your standard a measure of a good movie is
Star Wars, and then you watch another movie that's completely
of a different genre and you're like, well, I don't
like it because it's not Star Wars. But it's like, yeah,
but that's like going to a restaurant, like an Italian restaurant.
You get spaghetti meatballs and go, well, this doesn't taste
like pad tai, So I don't like it, Like you're
(30:54):
using the wrong criteria for the wrong thing. And I
feel like that comes into play here too, because is
Canaan's anchor for anything Clone or Storm Trip related, as
they're all bad. I don't care who you are, I
don't care what you tell me. This is what it
is and you can't sway me from that. But thanks
to Ezra living up to his name being like the
bridger of the thing to help them awaken, like Kane's like,
(31:16):
oh wait a minute, you know, it's so crazy for
us to watch as viewers because we know that Rex
serve with Anakin. You know, he starved alongside with all
the Jedi, risked his life multiple times to protect the
Jedi at all costs. And it's like, Canaan, can do
you not see like he is one of the good guys.
But then finally Ezra helps bridge that gap and and
(31:38):
you know how Anakin said, this is where the fun begins.
I feel like the end of the episode talking with
the salute, if there's like a meme, it's like, this
is where the healing begins. I feel like would be
those two.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
You excellent lightsaber fighting. By the way, Ezra in this.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Else like Parkore is dude, next level, look at you
owning it.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
I will say that you know how you've been.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh whoa where is this? Listeners?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You can't see the seventy facial expressions that are I
can only guarantee you going to come out with like
a kind of backhanded something.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Yeah, that's that's that's a good.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
You know how you've been touting powerful, powerful the Jedi.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Ezra is and how maybe he's the most powerful Jedi
of all time.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
You've never said that. What was I have never what's
the claim? What's your someone asked me at a con
that we're at. He was like, which, you guys spoke
with this person as well. He and it's we're doing
it on camera and hit me with the question like
where does he rank? And then I was like, dude,
I don't know enough Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You tell me.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
And he gave me a rank and he was like, dude,
he's got to be in this top five. And I
was like, hey, guys, Ezra's top five you and then
you're like, absolutely not, So that is all I said.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I was like, I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Okay, here, okay, fair enough. And here's where the compliment
park kicks it. In that scene where you're like parkouring
all over the tunnel or whatever the corridor and you're
like light sabering and doing all this, you know, these
fancy moves.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
I was like, okay, I mean not.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay, he's the strongest Jedi in the galaxy, but okay,
he is really really coming into his own and his
powers and his like control of his abilities and control
of the Force is.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Really you know, coming along real nice. So I and it's.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Only season two that's right to your point, and then
conjoining it with what John was saying, I I know
that like physically that will come together, but I'm more
impressed with how emotionally he like now that I'm seeing
more of Anakin's arc and then I know Luke's like
emotionally as a Jedi, I'm like the fact that he
(34:07):
can show Canaan Rex in a new light and really
like the way he's already begun to and I know
will further experience Ahsoka and a lot of these people
in the galaxy. I think that's what's so impressive where
I'm like, maybe it's just my own bias and connotation
of strength, but that is like the strength that I'm
(34:29):
seeing that I'm like, oh yeah, he's he's growing into
something emotionally and sort of like in an awareness level,
very strong.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
A great.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
I'm so glad you brought that up, Taylor, because there's
another there's a quote that I wrote down, and I
know when we did Wings of the Master, I quoted
doctor Paul Murray when my brother's draw circle to exclude me.
So Paul Murray had this other line from a poem
that doctor Paully Mury wrote which said, hope is a
song and a weary throat, And what that means is
like it's capturing this paradox of hope. It doesn't come
(34:59):
always from streng their certainty. Sometimes it just comes from
pure exhaustion and the voices that feel worn down, but
they keep on pushing through anyway. And I feel like
here the weary throat is Ezra. He's so tired of
his mentors constant bickering and almost like tired of being
treated as a kid who doesn't have his own voice,
that it took him to go to their like I
(35:21):
this is why I left because of you two. And
I felt like that quote was very fitting to Ezra
in this episode because they pushed him to that point
of he had to speak up let them know, this
is why I'm doing it, but not in like a
disrespect way, just very matter of fact. And that's why
I feel like this is planking the seed for Ezra
really becoming the leader. Because as a leader, as you
all know, sometimes you have to have uncomfortable conversation do
(35:44):
you got to make decisions that are very difficult, and
I'm sure that was very difficult for Ezra to have
to step up and do that because these are two
men he very much respects and reverers.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
You know, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And I mean I'm going
to be exhausting now with this, No, because with.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Likes less like Luke.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Where with Luke we he knows once he finds out
what his parents story is, right, because I always talked
about with Ezra, the real drive of everything was his parents,
like beyond all this, That's why the found family is
so big for him, and they all have their reason
for it. But his is actually more similar to Anakin's
with his mom once he finds out like it was
(36:26):
taken from him, and that is that is much more
similar to Ezra than Luke and his parental situation, you
know what I mean. Where often what I hear at
conventions from people is like, oh, it's phwing sort of
a Luke traductory and then goes this way. I think,
at least for the big anchoring point of his parents,
it's more Anakin, and Anakin then acts out of like
the anger of it and more emotional. But Ezra's finding
(36:47):
something cool.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So I finished.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
The third one is a real treat, I have to say.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
So tune into you, guys, trow.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
You guys, that's what the podcast is called.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
You guys, let me tell you about jar Jar binks.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
You guys are not going to believe this. That's how
every podcast episode starts out.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
You know what, You got yourself a subscriber there, Taylor,
So hell.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
No, I'm definitely subscribing to that.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I would listen to that. If you started a podcast
like that, I would be all in. Just just throwing
that out, that's already happening.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'm committed to Potter Rebellion for the time.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
Good answer, All.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Right, no letter of intent yet. At the end of
the year, enter the transfer portal. See what happens. Awesome. Awesome. Well,
I think this may be the natural transition to fact check,
unless there's anything else y'all want to bring up. But
I think Jc's probably ready to educate us now and
(37:55):
tell us everything we got wrong. So Jac, what do
we have today?
Speaker 9 (37:59):
Okay, let's see not a lot wrong, but I'm going
to fill in the gaps on some stuff. John. In
your intro, you call it an interdictor cruiser, which is
definitely an old school name for that. They don't actually
mention that in the episode at all. Because I was
waiting for it the background on the Introdictor Cruiser is.
(38:20):
It showed up first time in the Imperial source Book
from West End Games from nineteen eighty nine, which we
briefly talked about on episode seven when we were talking
about the b Wing. We were talking about West End Games.
The first kind of time you saw that in story
form was Timothy Zahn used did quite a bit in
the Air of the Empire books in nineteen ninety one.
(38:43):
The first canon appearance of the Interdictor Cruiser or current
canon appearance was in the Tarken book. But this is
the first time you see it on screen, and it's
very faithful representation to what was in the Imperial source
Book from West End Games. And just because I'm going
(39:04):
to be nerdy about it, I was really exciting. Back
in the day Cannon, the idea was that the gravity
of a planet restricted a ship from going to hyperspace
until it was a certain distance away from the planet.
So you see a lot in current Star Wars they
(39:26):
fly through the clouds and go off to hyperspace and
nobody can catch them and it's like this quick escape roup.
But in the old Star Wars legends, there was always
like an intense chapter where they had to get a
certain distance away from a planet before they could go
to hyperspace because the planet's gravity would restrict the hyperspace
(39:48):
engines from allowing them to take off. The interdictor cruiser
was the Empire's answer to that, and they used to
park them in hyperspace lanes like the three Ways of
Hyperspace that ships used to travel to police the sort
of rebel activity. Anyway, it was super exciting for an
(40:09):
old school nerd like me to watch this in this
episode and kind of see them stay faithful to what
I knew, but also add to it also a big announcement,
I am retiring after this episode. Taylor will be doing
the fact check from now on.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I was going to have you as.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
I don't like any of that that.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
I was like, wait a minute, I'm going to add though, Taylor,
whenever you get around to watching Star Wars episode three,
it seems like you're super into the Anakin arc. I
just want to put out there for you. Clone Wars
has a million episodes. You're probably not going to get
through all of Clone Wars in the next couple of months,
but if you get through Star Wars episode three, and
(40:58):
you really want to see some really cool Anakin stuff
that happens between episode two and episode three. There's a
three episode arc and Clone War season six. It's episodes five,
episode six, and episode seven. Particularly episode six is called
the Rise of Clovis, and it deals with Anakin's jealousy
(41:21):
over Padme going on a secret mission with an ex boyfriend.
So if you really want to see some Anakin, like
the best Anakin stuff more so than what you're watching,
in my opinion with Hayden and you in in episode two,
that is that will fill in the gaps that you
will inevitably have between episode two and three. What happened
(41:44):
those three episodes? Check those out, or anybody watching at
home or listening at home to this podcast, go back
and revisit those that are incredible, like a literal fistfight
between current husband and ex boyfriend. It's crazy for especially
for animation. We talked briefly about Chopper's body count and
(42:08):
what that looks like and how many people are crewed
on an interdictor cruiser versus whatever, So I went a
little bit deep on this. An interdictor cruiser has about
two thousand, eight hundred crew members on it eight hundred,
and it pulls into smaller ships, so you know, maybe
we're looking at four thousand death count on this. An
(42:34):
Imperial Star destroyer has about a crew of about thirty
seven thousand. Whow a super star destroyer like the Executor,
which was Darth Vader starship the big kind of black
and Blue one is two hundred and eighty thousand. So
in Return of the Jedi, the A wing pilot Rvell
(42:58):
Crintid flies his A wing through the bridge of the
of the Star destroy and it crashes into the Second
death Star. That's a body count of about two hundred
and eighty thousand. Luke Skywalker who blew up the first
death Star, There's an estimated one point two million people
on the Death Star, so Luke is at that point
(43:20):
the greatest war criminal of all time. However, the Second
Death Star was about twenty five percent bigger than the
first death Star. The first death Star had about one
hundred and twenty kilometer diameter, the second death Star one
hundred and sixty. There is some debate amongst that, but
(43:41):
there is about a forty kilometer difference between the original
Death Star and the Second death Star. No matter who
you talk to that had a crew of about two
point four to seven million, so it breaks down to
about four hundred and eighty five thousand crew members, one
hundred and fifty two thousand gunners, one point three million
in troops, one hundred and fifty seven thousand infantry infantry,
(44:04):
seventy five thousand technical personnel. Janitor's computer texts people like that,
and three hundred and thirty four thousand pilots. So using
those numbers, Lando, who blew up the second Desk Star
is now the greatest war criminal of all time. And
Chopper has according to the Internet, about nineteen to twenty
(44:29):
direct kills. Those are people he blew up with bombs
or something like that. His total kill count is about
fifty thousand. It's more than any of us, so it's
probably the for a droid. He probably has the greatest
kill count, but he still falls short of Arville, current
At Luke, Skywalker, and Landoca Resim.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (44:53):
The interrogation Droid is an ito interrogation droid, and I
think we mentioned this on a fact check in one
of the earlier episodes. The rumor on that is is
that hypodermic needle is put on the droid because George
Lucas is diabetic and it was like a subconscious way
(45:13):
of him, you know, this needle thing. Vanessa. You mentioned
the crew members in the kind of interdictor gravity well
crew tech people. Those helmets are actually the same helmets
that the Death Star gunners.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Use, different color.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
Yeah, and their uniforms are very similar to the scanning
crew uniforms of the scanning crew that goes on the
Millennium Falcon in Stars episode for Taylor. You old know
more about that in a few weeks when you get
to that.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
At the end of the day, I was planning to
hit the rest of the movie next year, so no, and.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Then the last thing I have is the Admiral. The
admiral's name is Brahm Titus. He is voiced by Derek Partridge.
And the inside baseball joke in Star Wars Rebels is
every time Admiral Titus appears, he is demoted. So the
(46:17):
next time we see him, he won't be an admiral,
he'll be a general, and then he'll be a you know,
officer and a commander or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
That's funny.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
That's what I got for this episode.
Speaker 7 (46:29):
That was fantastic, per usual, So I'm looking up Darren.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
I am blown away. I really thought Chopper was a
way worse war criminal. And I guess the charcoal color
of the helmets made me think that it was something
completely unique. But I guess, yes, that type of helmet. Yeah,
that tracks. Thanks man, I feel better.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
Thank you. Are we using the term war criminalssly?
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Because I feel like these are enemy combatants, right, Like
he's not going out and murdering civilians.
Speaker 7 (47:02):
No, no, no, Well from a.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
Certain point of view, you yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Don't know the empire's point of view.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Well, I mean that's all you got to take both
both into account.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
That's that's how social media refers to him as like
the greatest war criminal.
Speaker 7 (47:17):
Okay, I feel like that's yeah, breaks on that one. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (47:23):
To quote my friend Kevin Smith from his movie Clerks,
which came out in nineteen ninety three, there were contractors
on the desk Star. I mean I quoted, there's like
some people in there, you.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Know, commissary workers, jenerators.
Speaker 9 (47:40):
Seventy five thousand technical workers that you know are not
enlisted people.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
So all right, tax dollars at work, you know, Galectic
Universal Star Wars take that work. You will ever let's
get into that the Taxes star Wars. Well, that's coming
up on You Guys with Taylor Gray, so you're gonna
have to tune into that one. Thanks. That's like a
(48:07):
ten part minimum with Malcolm Gladwell as your special guest,
and you guys can break that down.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
That one.
Speaker 9 (48:13):
And the taxation of trade routes is what directly led
to the fall of the Republic, right, so let's not
mess around with tariffs.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
That's totally I don't know, that's totally that's totally unrelatable.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
JC.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
I don't even know what you're talking about. But maybe
one day we'll understand. But until then, we're gonna say
r fairwells and thank you as always to the to
the four of you, and we'll see you all next week.
Next week is a very fun episode. They're all fun,
but next week in particular is very action packed and
the return of a couple of inquisitor siblings. But you
don't have to wait till next week. But in the meantime,
(48:54):
tune into You Guys with Taylor Gray and then we'll
see you all next week. But until then, Taylor Gray
has our magic words.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
He the music.
Speaker 6 (49:05):
Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producer,
hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray and John
Ley Brody Executive producer and in house Star Wars guru
slash factchecker J C. Reifenberg. Our music was composed by
Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created by Neil Fraser
of Neil Fraser Designs. Special thanks to the Holly Frian,
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