"The Siege of Lothal Pt. 2" (S2E2)

From the lightsaber battle with Vader to the brief return of Lando to Lando's droid being voiced by Darth Maul himself...and not to mention the Apprentice lives!! The group discusses all of this plus more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wonder also if she does know that that is
Anakin transformed, because I believe it's the end is at
the end of this season or season three, when you
know she's in the Jedi Temple or whatever that that
temple is and she sees his eyes, there's that moment
where Ahsoka sees the eyes beneath the mask. I feel

(00:23):
like she doesn't know exactly what happened to him at
this point, that that it must be him, But I
feel like there's there's a level of mystery that it's
fair for her to say, no, I don't know this,
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hey, what's up, guys?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
You're listening to Pot of Rebellion Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger
Spectre six here, and I'm also with.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hi.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
I mean he has start card. No, I just was.
I was waiting for Vanessa, and Vanessa was waiting for me.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hi.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I'm Tesakar. I am the voice of Sabine Run Specter five,
and we will get it together for this episode, I promise,
and with us we.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Have What's up everybody. It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of
Harrison Doula, and I am thrilled to be here. And
I am joined by I don't know anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Everything we're gonna be okay. I'm generally brody. Everybody your
friendly neighborhood and moderator, and we clearly have our stuff
together as we're about to go over the Siege of
Lethal part two, which is season two, episode two of
Star Wars Rebels. So one, how's everybody doing? Clearly we're
doing great. Everything so good, very normal. Everyone's great, awesome, awesome. Well,

(01:49):
good talk everybody. So this is a big episode, so
I want to get right into the recap. We had
a lot of stuff to unwrapped, and if you're all
ready for it, let's let's get in food right.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Now, please all right?

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Season two, Episode two, The Siege Lethal Part two, original
air day, June twentieth, twenty fifteen, written written by Henry Gilbury.
Once it Again, we pick up right where Part one
left off, with Vader's ominous walking, mechanical breathing dominating the space,
and though canaan As are bravely step forward ready to fight.
Like the Angola basketball team the nineteen ninety two Olympics's
the drink team, They're in trouble, like serious, serious, serious treble.

(02:25):
They narrowly escape the grips of the scyth floor thanks
to the accurate and explosive throwing arms of Sabine and
zeb and embracing the richer pryor philosophy when it comes
to fighting, which is run but the ghost curve is
not in the clear, and knowing that the Empire is
always a couple steps ahead, they know they can't make
the fall without a plan, and their unlikely solution comes
in the form of the smooth talking gambler Lando Calrissian,
and of course his help comes at a cost three

(02:47):
fuel cells to be exact with Lando's tech and Sabine's
clever statue of liberty style misdirect a play that would
make a coach Sean McVay proud, they manage to slick
get away off of the lethal They rejoined Phoenix Squadron,
but bring back more than themselves thanks to an Imperial
tracker they've unknowingly led Vader right to the rebel fleet.
Vader then appears in its tricked out Tai Advanced Fighter
and starts single handedly dismantling the Phoenix Squadron like he's

(03:09):
Lawrence Taylor playing in a pewee football game. But what
comes next is a realization more shattery than any hit
Alt could have ever delivered. When Ahsoka and Vader sense
each other via the force, this Tony Morrison way that
the past type realization is so overwhelming at knocks her unconscious. Meanwhile,
thanks to Harrow's nifty flying that would make top gun
and look like Fisher Price, that group makes their escape,

(03:30):
but at a rather massive emotional cost. The episode closes
with Vader reporting to his master the corrupt senator turned Upper,
and it becomes rather clear that they will not rest
until all Jedi are found. And that is the recap
for season two, episode two, The Siege of the Thaw
Part two.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Dude, Wow, it is.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
So good every time. Every time you do this, it's good.
And I have a question. Are you pausing it during
the episodes and going like, oh, here's a great reverence,
or do you wait till you've watched the all thing
and then write it then, or like when are you
putting this together?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It really depends. Sometimes right off the bat, something will
strike me and I'll write it down, and I still
write my notes in long hand. My goal is to
always watch it through, absorb the story, watch it through
and notes come later, but then something always happens, like
when Vader shows it up with the tie vance. I'm like,
oh my god, this is like, this is so unfair.

(04:21):
And then one of my favorite players of all time
is Lawrence Taylor, who single hand neally changed the game
of football, like because of how awesome he was on
defense and it changed offense and everything. I'm like, oh
my god, this is like if Lawrence Taylor played in
like a peewee game, Like this isn't fair, Like this
shouldn't be happening. There should be some sort of mercy rule.
So that's where this one started. And like, oh Lawrence Taylor,
and how do I build around that? So it's not

(04:41):
always in linear order?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
And then the Angola two basketball team just popped right
into your head.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yes, because I'll never forget when Charles Barkley was doing
they were doing press and everybody's being so diplomatic. They're
talking to Magic's like, well, you know, you got to
approach every aim like you know, like like it's the
most important game. And it goes to Michael Dress like, well,
I don't know anything about them, you know, but we
got to approach it like every other game and it
cuts the park and goes, no, they're in trouble. Here's trouble.

(05:11):
So that's what I always think about it, like yeah, yeah,
so it's like the totrible and then serious trouble. But
I was like, oh, this is like Angla versus the
dream Team because I remember watching those ninety two Olympics
and that ninety two Dream Team was like, yeah, this
is a cheat code. This shouldn't be happening, you.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
Know, wow, And then the tote and then slid in
with the Tony Morrison reference. I mean that you I
know I say this often, so maybe it loses its meaning,
but I think you might have outdone yourself a little
bit on that one.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Never lose its meaning. Uh, it's like the first time
every time, so I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I'm sure I'll keep saying it because you're going to
keep out doing yourself.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
I know it.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
That's always the goal. I never you know, because it's
like that's always the fun challenge. But also you know,
it's it's always a fun way to I love that
you all love it, So then I want to just
keep bringing that joy to the top of the episode
and the start us off right at the end of the.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Day, we really are doing this for ourselves too.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Half the things I'm saying, I'm just trying to make
either you or myself.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Okay, I want to bring one thing up, and this
is a bit of a side quest and this may
be a JC fact check, but okay, you mentioned when
we were talking about season one that they had cameras
in the boot to get your reactions. I noticed the
throwing form of Sabine is very very well done. Now,
the throw she did it was almost like a hybrid
of a quarterback throwing, like a picture throw without the

(06:32):
back leg coming forward. Did they model that? After your
throat to you, I'm going to just say yes, but no.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
All of the flips she does, like onto a building
or off of the building, also me, I knew it
her her like when she like spins her blasters. Also
me when she like jumps at the.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
Wireless John that actually brings up us.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
One of the things I wrote in my notes that
I first wrote it. I think it was the end
of season one, but we I think we're talking to Ashley,
so we didn't dive in as much on the episode.
But rarely do I think, you know, like the famous
thing like jokes are almost always better in Frontier in animation,
Like the greatest writers always like do a season on

(07:35):
The Simpsons, because any joke is as good as you
can write it, because they can animate anything. If you
want to say, a piano drops from the sky and
hits this, it can happen if it's funny enough.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
In this show.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like fighting is better in animation because they can do
the human body can only do so much. Now with CGI,
you can make fights spectacular, but they're never as good
as the animated fights. Like I'm very impressed by how
Sabine does a backflips, but like all of it's it's

(08:07):
so much cooler in animation. And I wrote down like
I just said, fighting is so much cooler animation.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
You're not wrong. And with the throwing thing with Sabine,
My question is, which JC can answer at the end
of the episode, is if you notice back to season
one finale tailor, because I'm glad you brought that up.
In the season one finale when they're on that start destroyer,
Sabine throws at her left hand and it's still very accurate,
and this one she throws that they're right. That is
that canon? Though, is that like a canonical fact about

(08:35):
Sabine which I never I'm not sure about, but clearly
she is because I'm just from the throwing motion alone.
But we can confirm it right here on the pod
because we have a resident in fact checker.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Guys, I don't want to, like, you know, open up
a can of worms here, but I am a little
bit ambidextra.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
No, I am a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
We're all just because your left hand.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
I feel like if I worked on it more or
at all, I would be like true, like really pretty ambidexterous.
But because they don't work on it, is that does
that mean I'm not ambidextrous?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Then?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Kid?

Speaker 5 (09:17):
I used to sign my like in class, I would
like not be doing my work and I would I
would like practice signing and writing with my left hand.
And I was like, I think, guys, I be comtastrous.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I can do it.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's legible. I don't know what that tells you, but
it's uh so. Pretty much all of Sabine's coolest tricks
are are based off of me in real life.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
It goes and what we were talking about last week
in terms of how you are the characters of characters
are you sort of thing it's and the writers clearly
saw this and wrote that in thank you, because at
the end of season one, like, oh, we thought Tia
was left handed. Book clearly she pulled a Rocky two
on us and she's actually your hand and she pulled
the Princess bride rather, that's right, and it's a chance there.

(10:00):
You go to bring it back around. What are some
I know, I know he went, we went right into
like a sports tangent, and I went into my side
quest about throwing motions, but any sort of memories unlocked
on this one. And you know, this is where everything
really pops in. And the fascinating thought to me is
if this is your introduction to Star Wars and you
don't know who Darth Vader is, you don't know that
was Anakin, there's as much mystery to that as it

(10:23):
would be with Canaan and Ezra trying to fight this
this being you know, I agree.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I will just say as far as like fighting is
better in animation, when Darth Vader is throwing the two
of you around, and like Canaan's face is like up
against something, I mean, watch it was so hard to
watch him throw you around like a rag doll. I
was so troubled by this, and I love that. I

(10:50):
was like, what is that? As if it's like some inorganic,
weird thing that is just not of of, you know.
And when he says the term sith Lord, it just
sort of names the brand of darkness for us. But yeah,
I definitely think fighting is better in animation. But also

(11:12):
shout out to d for his many imperial voices that
he did in this episode as well. And if you're
playing the drinking game, when Harris says hang.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
On, go on, we got to hang on.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
So you're get hammered in this episode, but you did
get to take a shot of Seltzer water.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I'm glad you brought that up in last night because
last season I didn't get to do it. It was my goal.
I will do it for season two. I'm starting official
tally of hang on from Harris. So we have our
first phone of season two in this episode. We have
one so far. I'm going to put on my I'm
gonna have account by the end of this because this
is two twenty plus episodes we have in this one
as opposed to the fifteen we have.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Our order series.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely so once so far. We'll see
how many more hang ons are in store for us
in season two.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I wonder if you guys had the same feeling, especially
in rewatching it not again, not as much as like
when I watched these two episode one and episode two
of this season. It was less about like fond memories
of recording these episodes and so much more about watching

(12:29):
almost for the first time, which I know I've watched
these before, but I was just so captivated by the
story and obviously the music, which I know we talk
about all the time, and the fact that Darth Vader
and Lando Calorisian are in this episode of a show
that I'm on. I know, I've been a part of
Star Wars for ten plus years now and we've been

(12:51):
talking about Star Wars for a season and now you
know a little bit more. But like that's a pinch
me moment, Like I'm on a show and these characters
that anyone on the planet, even if they've never seen
a second of Star Wars, I feel bad for them.
But even if they haven't, Like, you know who Darth

(13:12):
Vader is? You you hear the breathing everyone, I dare say,
most people on the planet would know exactly who that is,
this formidable villain, and like then Lando comes in with
his like you know, smooth talking and he's looks so
cool and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
How this.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
I think it's probably silly that I still have pinch
me moments even this you know, far into the future,
but I do because I was like, this is crazy,
this is like these are this is Star Wars, like
real deal Star Wars and pinch me. I don't know
if you guys know.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
You're dead on this is the I mean, this was
when I really felt like, oh I'm in Star Warsn't
that genuinely Like I was like, oh, this is really cool.
I now feel like the first season was great and everything,
but this felt like, Okay, we're in Star Wars and
we're playing ball. And it also made me think what
I had written in my notes, Darth Vader's got to
be the I mean, this is so silly, like most

(14:10):
famous villain in the world, right, because Lord of the
Rings could be up there, but star On like it's
not the villain isn't. Greed is more of the villain
than anything, and like Avarice and then you could go
who's Wow, I'm an idiot who snaps in Avengers Phantos
Dana's like Dana's is big, but not like It'sanos.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Niche before Avengers. You know, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
But I feel like like I use my dad as
like a barometer, Like my dad would not know who
Thanos is, and my dad, I don't know if you
would know who's so Run is if you told them. Okay,
so this you know in Lord of the Rings, in
Jail and Tolkien, Darth Vader, everybody knows who Darth Vader is,
and so if my dad knows everybody knows. No offense

(14:57):
to my dad, but he kind of watches movies. It
were made in the first half of the last century.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
You need you should trademark that to you because that
will be a great bumper sticker. My dad, my dad knows,
everybody knows.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
I'm not trying to sell my dad out right now.
He's great and he knows a lot about a lot,
but not not Thanos and not necessarily Sourn, although maybe
Sourn because it was a literary thing before it was
a movie. Anyway, that's that movement struck me, and I
was like hole man, where like you said, we're playing

(15:30):
ball now. And also just y'all the moment where Vader,
you know, forced lips the two Walkers and they like
Canaan and as your stopped and they kind of like
war and like a Scooby Doo hour. Anyway, this this
episode is crazy. I loved it and I just fell

(15:52):
off the chair.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Am I Okay, it's all all the time. No, that's
such a great way to bring it. And you know,
that's that's why I love this show so much, and
because it is giving fans service and integrating it into
the Star Wars lord that we know, but it also
made us earn it, like to get to know these characters.

(16:15):
And then now it's a payoff to Ham to go
against Darth Vader and hear the voice of the Amber
palpat Tee. Shout out to Sam Whitwa, who did the
voice in this episode, and it's you know, it's funny
you brought up Thanos in Marvel because I remember it's
a shield, which I enjoyed that show. But it's like, man,
that's to be cool. If they could at least just
show us for if they could just have some of

(16:36):
the Avengers actually on the show. But they're tied up
in like legal stuff or whatever. That is the one
thing I will say that was beneficial of Disney owning
everything out right, is that the clearance was just through Disney.
It's like, okay, yeah, you want Vader, Let's let's figure
it out and let's make sure it makes sense for
the story. Here's Vader, you want the voice of Palpatine,
here you go. And I think that's what's so cool

(16:57):
about the show is that these are this in these
individual stories. These are these individual characters, but now to
be fully integrated into the Lord that we know in
a way that serves their story. Where not you're not
a part of Vader's story, Like Vader just became a
part of your story. I think that's just so cool.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
What was that camera?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
What camera fancy?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's like, yeah, you just full Hitchcocker something.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think it's I did a whole There was a
dolly zoom happening. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think there's a
weird setting on my cameras in your computer.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
So here I'll show you. It's a hairdresser's chair that
you can like.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
It looks like a saddle, it does, I know.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
And they sit on and they saw any who, Yeah,
my friend, it's supposed to be good for your back.
I got it a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
I tried.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I was like, this is not good for my back,
but I needed an extra chair in my little studio here,
and I just love doing this.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Wow, we've really we've really really gone off.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh boy, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I also want to like make mention of the fact
that when you are when you come upon as a
tark in town and it's burnt to the ground, and
for some reason, when Canaan says there are now consequences
for every action we take, it further underlined this idea
that now it's not just like, oh, you guys are

(18:29):
trying to get a crate off of a thing, but
we are. Every every move we make now as a group,
people will be burned. You know that to me elevated
once again, we were talking about from season one to
season two that sentence. I don't know how you sayguay
from a hairdresser's share into that, but I just wanted

(18:50):
to before I forget that point. I just was so
moved by that that in terms of your relationship with
Canaan and his sort of teaching you how these things work,
hero's trying to convince Canaan to, you know, get with
the military program. And now Canaan is trying to let
you know how much the stakes have increased at this point.

(19:11):
So are you with me?

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, that's a great thing to bring up to. And
then that very line to Vanessa foreshadowing obviously to the
whole lore of Star Wars, but also this episode because
later on, when they do rejoin Phoenix Squadron, they end
up leading Vader and the Empire back to Phoenix Squadron,
even though their best intentions were to rejoin the team

(19:34):
to be part of the better cause, but unfortunately led
the Commander saw to a ship being destroyed, and luckily
everybody gets out there alive. But it's you know, you
start to understand more of Canaan's trepidations of Look, it's
one thing with us if it affects us, But if
we're going to affect an entire squadron, even though our
intentions are good, then is that fair to this squadron?

(19:56):
So you know, you start to understand at least I
start to understand him better. And the part two of it,
when you got beneath the surface of some of his
like surface level of resistance.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
You know, I have a pop quiz hot shots.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
There's a movie reference for you. John. You're much better
at it than I am. But I see pop quiz
hot shots all the time.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Anyway.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
It's from Speed. If anyone listening to No No, I know,
you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Just that was great to thank you for.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
That's good.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
That's great. Okay, you guys, Lando's Droid.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh what do you know?

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Did you know who that was? Is it Sam Whitword?
It's Sam Whitwor. I did not realize that until this morning.
I was watching and I was like, oh my god,
who is that that? That what a great voice. And
then I looked it up and I'm like, no freaking way,
it's Sam. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
So Sam really shout out yeah to Sam Android, and
he was kind of like hey yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
He was like a man. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
It was like the nice version of like sinners, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Samon as well. I guess when Darth Mom comes.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
In when we get to like Twilight with the Apprentice
towards the end of the season, well for sure gets.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
That's one of those that's I mean, that's we're just
jumping ahead, but out at conventions. When you're talking to
people and they say their favorite episodes, that is often
a thing I hear that comes on, like all that
whole run.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Comes back at end of season. Here's a question for JC,
what determines the droid's like voice? You know, like is
that the program? It's like, hey, because I'm sure like
is a reflection of the owner, like obviously being a
smooth talker, his droid smooth talker. It makes sense. But
it's like, why does C three people sound like Anthony Daniels?
You know, why does sound like alent tutic? I wish

(21:50):
everything sound like alent tutic really when when you break
it down? So, I don't know, it's something that I
was thinking about, like, oh, what determines what a droid's
voice is going to be? Is that just something programmed?
Like oh I want to sound like this? Like do
you put in prompts like it's chat GPT but then
it programs it into the droid. I don't know, like
it's a It's not something I never thought about until
when I watched this episode.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
You know, we're going back to a question I asked
early on, why do they not speak right? I mean,
I'm not not opening this again, but that we understand.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
In this episode, Chopper says something. It's this episode of
the last episode. I think it's this episode. Chopper says something,
and I tell you what he said, and then you
ask a question as if you I'm like, do you
understand Chopper or don't you understand Chopper? Because I obviously,
I mean Sabine obviously understands Chopper. Haarah understands Chopper. Do

(22:42):
you or don't you? Because it's like you, it's like,
all of a sudden, you have no idea and you
need someone to translate. And I'm like, but wait a minute,
he's you guys interact, You guys communicate, So why do
you sometimes know and sometimes have to be told? It's
very confusing.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I'm going to go back to something. Sorry I was
going to say.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Also, it's kind of like I wonder, you know, when
you're talking about the droid settings and do you choose
or whatever. It's like, you know on your GPS, you
can like I just changed my GPS to a lovely
South African man. Yeah, that guy's awesome and he's directions.
Oh I wish no it's not. But that's apple. If

(23:23):
you're listening, get Trevor no to do that.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Because they do, Like John Cena is a boy that
you can get certain people John maybe ways or something
like that.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Oh well mine is just some like ambigorous South African
man with a Romanice accent. So I wonder if when
you get a droid you go like I would like
him to sound or heard a sound.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Also, why are droids always male?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
That was the question I was gonna ask last episode. Yeah,
or are they male? Is it like just a non binary?
Is it not on the spectrum of Okay?

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Well, why are they always voiced by men? That's a question.
Maybe not for JC.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Maybe that is a.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Very Are there any Are there any droids voiced by women?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I think there are medical droids. If I'm not an.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Episode three, I remember an episode three, the one that
delivers Luke and Lea. Yeah, yeah, there's a whole I'm
not going to go theroid.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm not going to say that this isroid.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
That's another episode. Well, all right, let's put a pin
in that.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
What I was going to say, in terms of the
understanding or not understanding, I'm gonna go back to something
Vanessa brought up, and that's something Dave told you which
was you said R two was a dog, Chopper was
a cat. So is that maybe that's towards astromic droids,
but protocol droids or more like humanoid And maybe that
could be a reason why protocol droids speak languages that

(24:57):
you know, or speak multiple languages and they would understand,
but asks are more like, I guess animals or pets.
I don't know. That's just me going off of the
information that I've gotten from j C.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Question.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, Jason's got his work cut out for him today.
You guys, when when Vader says the Apprentice lives, oh,
goose bumps so good?

Speaker 4 (25:26):
What probably one of the most chilling lines, not just
in Rebels, not just in Star Wars, I think ever
like in the history of TV, film, cinema, because of
the weight of those words, and it's like he semi
breaks the fourth wall to it and the Apprentice lives.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, I agree, I think James earld Joe I was thinking,
is do you think he has any clue what all? Like,
he knows the context of it to an extent, but
do you think he knows all of the history of it?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
That would I mean, because I could see both.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I could see him just being that dude who was like, yes,
I need to know all this, and I could also
see him just walking and saying it with the gravity
that he can say anywhere and.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Needing to know nothing exactly. It still comes out, yeah, exactly,
I'm gonna I don't need that's I'm on to need
to know basis and.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't need to know that there.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
It's one of those two things for sure. But also,
like I think, just knowing that James Earl Jones was
like the actor true actors actor and also theater actor,
you would think, you know, is he good enough to
not have to know anything and deliver that Yes? Did
he probably want information? Probably, but we'll never know. But
the truth that's on screen is what we see each

(26:47):
and every time he thought he.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Was talking about the Trump reality show.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Oh god, oh God.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Taylor, you gotta go.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Top animators for that moment when it was just Vader's
face and then Ahsoka's eyes. We there are no words there,
We didn't see anything. Ahsoka falls to the ground. We
know what just happened, she felt him, and vice versa.
I mean, the animators really illustrated that moment in a

(27:21):
really sort of soul crushing way that that was everything
and that was all animation.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Yeah, and I think also like four Clone Wars fans
watching that moment, woo whoa. Right, But because of the writing,
because of the animation, because of the performance, the performance
is you don't need to know, you don't need to know.
Knowing makes everything like, oh my gosh much more like

(27:48):
have have so much more meaning, but like you get
it right away and it feels like the gravitas of
that hits you or the you know, like how the
important at that moment. Also, sorry if I am interrupting anyone,
but you were talking about a quote that Canaan said earlier, right, Vanessa, Yes, yeah, yeah,

(28:13):
yeah yeah, And then I wrote down we must find
the strength to fight, but the greater courage is knowing
when not to fight. I mean, come on, drop in,
drop in some like heavy I mean not heavy in
a bad sense, but like some profound words to live by.
There just slipping it in under the guise of an

(28:37):
animated show, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I think also just to give more adapt to Sam
Whitwor for his Darth Citia's voice that moment, I mean, okay,
the Clone Wars moment of Okay, Snips feels her, you know,
Jedi master or something, and he says the apprentice lives.
But when we see Dar Darth Vader Nil and speaking

(29:03):
his master, I feel like we get the order of
the universe in this fine, in this episode in a
big way totally. You know, if Freddy said sorry, if
Canaan says you know when to not fight, like no
when no where to fold them as it were, and Uh,
to see such a you know, a sith Lord, a
profoundly dark force Neil to something else, it lets you

(29:27):
know that, like this is even worse than you thought.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Because it goes so much higher deeper, I guess than
you I thought. Have we ever seen Darth Vader Neil
before anyone before this moment? Because I'm no expert, but
I was like, oh, I don't think I've seen that before.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Did anything happen like that with Dooku and Uh Sidious before?
I feel like maybe in one of the movie JC.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
No, because because they were incognito, because we didn't know
that Palpatine was citious yet at that point, so I
wouldn't have I don't think we would have seen that,
but not to my knowledge. But JC will know, so
don't take my word for it. But that's such a
great thing to bring up, because even though we just
talked about everyone knows who Darth Vader is, the writing
of this is as if you don't, so that you've
got to show that as powerful as this guy is,

(30:15):
he is answering to somebody else. In being true to
the prophecy, I always two there are the Apprentice and
the Master thing and that's so and the fact we
never actually see Palpatine, we just hear him. Uh, there's
horror veins running right through this episode with like the
Apprentice lives a line and the way like the ominous

(30:36):
voice courtesy of Sam Witt were with this dark sith
lord who just like cleaned everybody's clock like effortlessly. But
he's answering to somebody else. So if he's that bad,
Like how bad is this guy that he's saying, yes,
Master to you?

Speaker 5 (30:48):
And then if I may dispatch another inquisitor. Oh oh,
it's so good. I'm on the edge of my seat
and I did it already. I acted in the show.
That is a way to end a two part season premiere,

(31:09):
I tell you.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, it's it's really good. The show is good watching.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
I finally got them right, we got you're gonna stick around.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
This is the dumbest I shouldn't even go there.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
But I'm just actually curious, and this is genuinely the
dumbest inquisition. But you said, just have we seen Darth
Vader Neil before? Do any of the characters this Canaan
brushes teeth? Does dar Vader go to the bathroom? Like
the simple things in life in Star Wars?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Does that exist?

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Like?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Does that make any sense? I want to say this
the mundane Quoteitian life of it, like is.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
There anyone eating a sandwich because they're hungry?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Like we have made run and stuff? But like do
they brush their teeth? Or is that they're fighting?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
But that's not a dumb question because that's the question
that everybody, I'm sure has asked at some point any
Star Wars fan. And I do know at some point.
I don't think it's this season, and it might be
I know for sure when when when the next droid
comes up, there's the refresher. They interest the refresher, which
is the restroom, which they never did in Star Wars
afore it again, jac can fact check me on that

(32:14):
I was like, oh, okay, there are restrooms on these ships.
So they do address it at some point that there
are restrooms, so I guess I don't think we need
even though again maybe in the prequel we can see, oh,
Kate it likes to use Colgate Total to make sure
all his cavities are in check or whatever, you know,
shout out to the Colgate who was not our sponsors
at least not yet. But yeah, I mean it's like

(32:36):
I like that stuff too. I like the those little
mundane details because the little everyday things that you don't
show on screen. But do these characters do that. I mean,
they all seem their hygiene seems to be fine, so
I would think yes.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
He even admits.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Is like, have you smelled me?

Speaker 4 (32:55):
It was last episode when they got Trojan Horse the.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
In sorry go ahead? Did you have more?

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Well, just one more thing to kind of I guess
maybe a little bit, because we're all very inquisitive minds
here and very well read. And I did bring up
Tony Morrison for a reason because I thought of that,
because she talks about how trauma never disappears, just resurfaces.
It's just something that's dormant until it's not anymore, which
is what we see with Ahsoka, how it all rose

(33:25):
to the service the moment she got confirmation this is
my former master. Yeah. And it goes right into something
called emotional load theory, which is like a cognitive overload,
which is in psychology, there's this idea that stress doesn't
reset after a stressful event, It just kind of compounds,
it keeps on building and building and building, which is
I feel like that's what we're seeing with ah Soca,

(33:45):
that's what we're seeing with the Ghost Crew, and I
feel like that emotional load really came to light, or
really hit the fan rather the moment Ghost Crew came
back to Phoenis Squadron with that emotional weight and then
they brought Vader with the ship literally goes down. So
that's just something I want to plant in your brains
because I love when I bring stuff like this up,

(34:06):
because I know that I always get a very academia
intellectual answer from the three of you, and I know
that I'm sure you saw themes of that as well,
seeing in Ahsoka's reaction but also just the reaction of
all the characters.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I definitely felt that in that moment and something that
I was going to say. When we spoke about the
hologram of Sidius speaking to Vader, it reminded me of
the hologram of Tua trying to reach them and they say,
don't accept it. Don't accept it because they'll know where

(34:40):
we are. That's trauma, right, there's a trauma response like no,
and Harris says, make it a one way transmission, so
they don't know where we are. That to me also
elevated the stakes of this, that that could create more
trauma that could get them killed. Like every moment of
this episode was f with that level of anxiety I feel,

(35:05):
and the danger and the decision to take that message no,
let's see what Tua wants. Like every moment of this
was just bristling with that kind of tension and then
to have it explode literally where her brain, you know,
she just drops to the ground. I feel like that
that's sort of the apex of it, sort of the

(35:25):
most severe version of it. But I felt that level
throughout the entire two part episode, or both episodes part
one and part two. Did you feel that tailor?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I did.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I think it's interesting what you're bringing up of, Like,
I think that's what makes Asoca such an interesting character too,
And in my head, being a Jedi is this transcendent
way of life as well, that if there's someone you
can overcome a trauma or like an experience, you would
lean on the Jedi. But I think it's why I'm

(35:59):
so drawn character like Ahsoka, a character like Canaan. They
have a past that they're still like quarreling with and
it's just cool to have it brought in as well.
And it's one of the most famous characters. Like we
already spoken about that it is. It shows her like
strength as well dealing with all of it, and I

(36:23):
think that's why she's one of the cooler characters in
Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, I agree, how heavy is it when at the
end when she's having that talk with Canaan and Ezra
and Linda, know, like telling them without telling them what
they're really up against. And again back to Tony Morrison
and Beloved, she has this quote, this is not a
story to pass on. I felt that was so true
with the Whsoka here where she could have told them Albright,

(36:48):
this was my former master. He got seduced by the
dark side. But she just I think, you know, obviously
Isocha with her. She had her own reasons and her
best intentions of no, I don't know who that is,
but in a way it's true. She doesn't know who
Vader is. She knew Anakin, so she from a certain
point of view, if you will, she was very much honest.
But also she and like Commander Rex, who are going

(37:12):
to see very soon and then like the next episode,
you know, soldiers like that in a former Jedi like Ahsoka,
they're gonna carry that silence with them, Yeah, because it's
like who else can who could they tell that would
actually understand what they're going through? And I felt like
that shot of Ahsoka turning and I know it's animation,
but you see all the subtleties in the face and

(37:33):
credit to Ashley too is I'm sure I know that
they've referenced y'all in the booth. So actually bringing that
energy to that moment of silence, like you feel the
way to that of yeah, this is my trauma, this
is my truth, but it's not mine to pass on
to you, and you just feel all that burden and
all the repression and everything there. It's just so powerful.
I just was like when I first saw this episode

(37:56):
years ago. I'm just all fixated, Oh, it's Vader, it's this,
And like I watched Clone Wars that and then when
I rewatch it for the podcast, you know, months ago
before to prepare for this, and then rewatch it again,
I was like, it just hit much, much, much different.
Having all that contacts and also having our talk with
Ashley about a month ago.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I wonder also, and maybe this is a question for
JC if she does know that that is Anakin transformed,
because I believe it's the end is at the end
of this season or season three, when you know she's
in the Jedi Temple and or whatever that that temple
is and she sees his eyes. There's that moment where

(38:39):
Ahsoka sees the eyes beneath the mask. I feel like
that's the moment where she gets that that's her master.
I feel like she doesn't know exactly what happened to
him at this point, that it's that it must be him,
But I feel like there's there's a level of mystery
that it's fair for her to say, no, I don't
know this. I don't know who that is as well. Oh,

(39:00):
I'm not sure Jace might know.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I'll definitely know I mean, but the other side of
it is Vader knows. Oh I know it's Asoka, So
that's the scary part of it. But yeah, I mean
it's going to I think maybe it's a great debate.
I feel like from my point of view, and by
no means am I considering this factor ken And I
think she knows what doesn't want to know, like doesn't

(39:28):
want to believe it's That's what it feels like to me.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Also, she has not changed. She is the same Darth
Vader has changed from anagin into Darth Vader. So Darth
Vader knows what his padawan feels like and can say
certainly the apprentice lives where she might be like that
feels like that feels like a version of something I
knew long ago. But God forbid, it's what I think

(39:51):
it is. You know, like you say he doesn't want
to know or I don't know. I'm curious to hear
what jac has to say.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I think our fact that's going to be very enlightening
and educational today. Back to Zra really quick. I mean,
you know I alluded to like Thomas Wolf and in
the last episode, like the whole you can't go home again,
but seeing the destruction of the home planet and all
that stuff, but seeing the growth and maturity really come

(40:21):
into fruition for Ezra, where in season one he wouldn't
want to go head on like how zeb suggested, like
let's go bash these guys in That would have been
Ezra in season one, but in this one he takes pause,
starts to see the big pictures, like this is my
home planet. I love my home planet. But there's nothing
we can do right now. So let's go back to
Fiendis Squadron. Let's become stronger and then we get in

(40:45):
a position to help them out. I thought that was
such a cool character building thing. And and I know,
like it was so long ago, Taylor, but and you've
done many projects since then, but maybe looking back in retrospect,
is it more clear to you just how well thought
out like these little arcs were for your character and
the development of your character.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Absolutely and exactly what you're referencing that to me was
the biggest sign of growth, like an actionable thing, especially with.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Where he started.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
And going back to I think what I was saying
last week last episode, that is another tie in of
like I feel growing up, I was a very impulsive person,
and I would react the way Ezra would have in
the first season. But I think I learned through Ezra
a bit this sort of reticence and what strength can

(41:37):
be in awareness to be patient and go back and
learn or develop or grow whatever that is. And it's
cool to see too, Like I'm like watching it kind
of proud of Ezra, which is really sweet. And you
see those first signs of like, Okay's he's becoming something

(41:58):
more than what he was. Yeah, and he's helping and
he's helping the Rebels. I felt that in a cool
way as well, like he's, uh, he's never been like
dead weight, but he's he's adding to a group that
is doing so much. Especially like I feel Hair is
such a strong character that's always so selfless in what
she's doing for the rebellion that it's cool to see

(42:21):
Azra do that as well and learn from them.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Yeah, and speaking of my Governessa, you have some levels
you have to hit in this episode. There's intensity, there's compassion,
but like you have to really quiet like that that's
you tap into so many cool things in this episode.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
There are a lot of moments for sure. Yeah, when
she's like make Mom and Dad proud, which before but
also and she's like, I think I know the guy
who can get us off loathal and they're like, not him.
She has that kind of that that sound to her,
and then the hang on there's just there's a lot

(42:58):
of uh movement for her.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
But the high stake stuff too, when things are really
come into a head, haarh knows when to turn it
up and let people know, almost like the football coach
who knows when to be the disciplinarian, like everyone shut up,
Mom is speaking of the adult is talking. Listen, and
you brought that energy, which is so it was just
so like awesome, like to hear that, and I was like,

(43:24):
oh my god, Like this is because you don't hear
that often from Harah. Harr is the collective one. She's
the de escalator more times than not. Yeah, but when
she needs to, she's going to be the one to
get in your face, go hey, get your stuff together. Yeah,
you have something to do, let's get it done. And
I thought that was so cool to see in this episode.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I thought so too when she tells Chopper get ready
to fly this thing out of here? Yeah you know,
And I was like, oh, that's right, Chopper can do that.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
And speaking of flying A wings, we got a bunch
of A wings which unfortunately didn't the last very long.
This will be a JAC question too. I believe these
are like I don't know if they're like this the
right term, like the beta tested wings, like first generation
A wings, like I'm sure there's been an evolution to
them by the time we see them again in a
new Hope. But I know JC will for sure know

(44:11):
the answer to that. And I caught I believe is
an intentional East Dragon, because I think everything's intentional. Here
the call sign you give one two one eight one five.
That's the release date of episode seven, The Force Awakens.
And this came out in June of twenty fifteen, so
you were already hinting at oh, the release date of
Force Awakens is going to be December eighteenth, twenty fifteen.

(44:33):
So that's the Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well done finding that.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, one too many
was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, that's that's clever.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Uh well, I think with all that, I think that's
a perfect segue to get to our edutainment segment of
the podcast, which is our fact check with JC. Rifenberger,
What do we got today?

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Here you go?

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Okay, sorry, were you in the back of the tank?

Speaker 8 (45:03):
I was.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
I was trying to get some a wing information, pull
some a wing some details on it.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
From you from your brain obviously.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Yeah, uh okay, let's see. Oh my gosh, lots of
stuff today.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
I came in.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
My first note was I got nothing. These episodes are
so good, but I have stuff now. I just wanted
to say, I just loved how so and I've talked
about on the podcast. I came into Rebels with a
whole lot of trepidation, right, and so when I I
think these episodes aired, this is when I started watching Rebels.

(45:40):
Was I watched season one to catch up to Darth
Vader showing up, and I was very nervous about it,
because what are you going to do to Darth Vader?
And how are you going to justify using Darth Vader?
How do you do it in a way that isn't
dumbing down the character, making Luke Skywalker less important?

Speaker 8 (46:01):
All of those things.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
Ezra and Canaan are like it's almost like uh, Mike
Tyson in his prime sparring against like some kids off
the street, like he doesn't even yeah, like glass Joe
from uh from punch Out. Yeah, it was done so well.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
It was.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
It just showed how much Vader even like is holding
back against Obi Wan Kenobi in a New Hope, right, Like,
oh no, here he is in his prime. He could
do this whenever he wants, Like he's almost toying with
Obi Wan Kenoby in a New Hope. I just loved
how through action they made Vader like so powerful. And John,

(46:49):
you mentioned the release date of Force Awakens. You also
mentioned this episode aired June twenty, twenty fifteen, so this
aired like a year and a half before. We saw
Darth Vader do this same sort of thing in Rogue
one at the end of Rogue one, right where that's

(47:09):
like what everybody talks about where you're like, oh my god,
it's a Darth Vader I've always waited for at the
end of Rogue one. But this came a year and
a half early, and I feel like this is the
Darth Vader that like feeds into what we saw in
Rogue one, which I thought was really cool and like
he's flying against the a wings. You got to see

(47:31):
like Anakin. When I met your father, he was already
a great pilot, but I was amazed at how strongly
the force was with him, which is what Obi Wan
says to Luke in a New Hope. You got to
see him be that pilot finally, not just a kid
in a pod racer, but like he's like there's a
shot where he's like flying and he like flips the
ship around and spins it one eighty and then blows

(47:53):
up a bunch of a wings. It was just so
much fun. It was so incredible to watch. It made
Darth Vader scary again. And that's something I talked about
with and Or Too is like, oh, it makes the
Empire scary again, Like this episode made Darth Vader. It
turned him from like Donald Duck in a helmet at
Disneyland into a character to be feared, which I thought

(48:17):
was really cool. Anyway, that's my background take on the
show because I was so excited about it getting into
fact check.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Okay, before you go, let me ask you something really quick.
Did you get by any chance Indiana Jones last crusade
vibes when they go in between the two star destoryers, like, yes, same,
go back to the two boats. I wanted to ask
you that when we got out here, so I was.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
Go betweet them? Are you crazy?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Don't go betweet them? Yeah, I totally said, don't go
between them.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Yes, Lando's droid named W one l E or Willie,
which was the early Ralph mcquarie concept for C three
po as two pointed out voice by Sam Whitwaer droid voices.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
So we waded into.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Some dangerous territory here, and I hope people have made
it through that without posting on social media, because I'm
about to debunk all of it.

Speaker 8 (49:14):
Droid voices. What determines a droid voice? Now?

Speaker 6 (49:18):
Using canonical references. C three po is blown apart in
Empire strikes back on Cloud City, Chewbacca is putting him
back together, and he is adjusting a knob on the
back of C three po's like neck or head or
back area. And you listen to C three po cycle
through many, many different languages and inflections and voices. So

(49:41):
that would lead me to believe that you can, you know, again,
like your GPS, you can kind of maybe pick between
and modulate it a little bit.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
Also, when C threebo.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Is on Endor telling the story of Star Wars to
the Ewoks. He recreates many different sound effects and voices
during that story. Now, if that doesn't convince you, Star
Wars episode one, TC fourteen is a droid played by
a voice by Lindsay Duncan, which is definitely a female

(50:14):
protocol droid. TC fourteen at your Service is the droid
that welcomes Obi Wan and and Hui Gon to the
Trade Federation ship. There there's a droid named Gury from
the Shadows of the Empire book and video game back
in the mid nineties that was like alluded to, is

(50:36):
like a very realistic human robot to you know, do
what you want with L three Lando's droid and solo
is female. EV ninety nine, which is the droid not
the white eight D eight torture droid in Jaba's palace,

(50:57):
but the one that like puts R two, D two
and C three po and assign them their jobs. EV
ninety nine is a female programmed droid and apparently also
Obi Wan Kenobi's R two unit ARE four from Star
Wars episode two is also a female program droid.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Wow, so interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That's all it there.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
And then just a little backstory the episode three droid
that is like the nurse. They it is a midwife
droid named It's a Croon tan b Machine, which I
think they actually made a action figure of. Wow, they
made an action figure of some of those droids. Let's see.

(51:48):
Let's oh just again, like last episode talking about like
what you need to know? I think the mark of
a great show is you don't need to watch everything
that came before it and after to understand where it fits.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Right.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
So where the MCU the Marvel movies are great is
like you can sit down and watch ant Man without
having seen everything that came before ant Man. I think
where those movies get a little bogged down is where
it's like ant Man three, if you haven't seen all
the ant Man's and all the other movies that come

(52:26):
around it, you can't you don't understand it. And that
is what's so great about Rebels is you can sit
down and watch Rebels and have no idea who Luke
Skywalker is, but you understand what Star Wars is. I
think that's what makes a show or a movie great,
even when it's within a cinematic universe, is that it
stands on its own and can be a jumping off

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point for anything else. But it makes sense within itself.
Tia had mentioned Canan's quote about knowing when to fight
sounded a lot. Also like another Jedis quote to Han Solo,
we can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting Obi
Wan Kenobi in a New Hope.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
Also, we mentioned like Vader kneeling.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
He does kneel in Empire Strikes back to the Emperor,
So if we're talking about canonical timeline, then this would
be the first time sort of, but Anakin after he's
dubbed Darth Vader kneels to Palpatine in his office, So
if you're looking at just Darth Vader when he's in

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the suit kneeling to somebody, this would be it. But
in nineteen eighty he did it on the Star Destroyer
to the Emperor when making contact and also ooh Brido's
hands Phil And then again he did it in Star
Wars episode three before he got the suit, but after
he was dubbed Darth Vader. There is no official info

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on whether or not Sabine is ambidextrous, so we'll just
go because Tia apparently is ambidextrius, so is Sabine.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
Taylor.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
When we were talking about kneeling and things, like that
you were talking about Star Wars bathrooms and toothbrushes and things.
There is a Star Wars bathroom. They do go to
the bathroom. Horatio Sans plays an alien in The Mandalorian
season one who uses the bathroom to try to escape

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from the Mandalorian and we get a shot of the
toilet that is on the Mandalorian ship the razorcrest. So yes,
and it's called a refresher as John mentioned in that episode.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Was that introduced with Timothy's On or were you about
to get to that?

Speaker 6 (54:45):
I think it's I think it's introduced with Timothy's On,
along with like calf, which is like their version of coffee,
and a bunch of other like of the the day
to day minutia or even in the Timothy's On book,
Luke talks about drinking hot chocolate by name as introduced

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to him from Lando.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
I don't know why I randomly remember that. But uh,
then we talked about Ahsoka. When does Ahsoka find out
that Anakin invader? I think you guys pretty much nailed it.
I think that she has this like she knows that
what she sensed, like there's something more to it, whether
or not She's like, that is Anakin, or that could

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be Anakin, or I hope that's not Anakin. Is up
for kind of debate up until the point where they
make a real eye contact it the Sith Temple, and
then she knows knows for sure, like her her bias
has been confirmed that it is in fact her former master.

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And then John, you said the A wings and a
New Hope, there are no A wings in A New Hope.
A wings show upen Return of the Jedi for the
first time, And.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Are those different versions of the A wings because I
got it's gone by right.

Speaker 8 (56:05):
Yeah, I think they are.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
I wasn't able to dig in and pull the model
numbers and everything from that, but A wings, Yeah, A
wings have evolved, X wings evolved. They all kind of
evolve into into what we see first time in Return
of the Jedi. You know, the Star Wars story team

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has done a great job kind of like connecting those
those dots to make it make sense.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Were there any medical droids? Am I? I feel like
in Clone Wars where there were all those there were
all those episodes about the microchip that they were putting,
you know, for Order sixty six and all that. I
feel and I know there were female characters in the
medical facilities. Maybe there weren't any droids, but for some reason,
I feel like I don't know that those droids ever spoke. Actually, nevermind,

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I think it was just female characters.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Yeah, I didn't come across.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I don't I don't think they spoke. I don't think
they spoke.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
I mean there's also like R two k T, which was.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
Alvin Johnson from the five Oh First it was made Cannon,
I think in Rebels even, which is a pink and
silver and white R two unit that is very clearly
female because it's an homage to his daughter.

Speaker 8 (57:27):
So there are there there is some.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Like appearances of that, but I think in terms of speaking,
it's EV ninety nine, TC fourteen are kind of the
big ones, gotcha?

Speaker 8 (57:40):
And that's what I got.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Amazing, Bram, well done, well done as usual.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yeah, as always. I've always loved like when we get
to the end of the show, it's like, oh man,
we're ending, but it's like also like we get to
learn a lot of cool stuff for the last.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Twenty minutes at this point has been probably the best
we've ever done.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Yeah, pretty much much if you know, if you know,
you know, we'll just leave it at that. Well, thanks
as always JC for educating us and getting us more
well versed in the Star Wars lore and universe. And
I'm sure I know our listeners love it too, because
that's most of the comments we get each and every week,

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which is always I'm always happy to see that. We'll
be back next week per usual everybody, But until then,
be well.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
I have one I just want to let people know
that John started a TikTok page for us, So that's right, Yeah,
come find us over on TikTok pot of Rebellion.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
We're there now, so come say.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Hi, and I will say we're going to put some
stuff on the TikTok that's not on the Instagram, just
some different kind of conclusistive content, exclusive TikTok content. So yeah,
we made it really easy Potter Rebellion across the board
and now we're there. We may be on other platform stupid,
for now you can get us Instagram and TikTok both

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at Potter bell and look over some fun TikTok stuff
we've been talking about, some different content to go out there.
Thank you remembering that, Vanessa.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I just want to invite people to come say hi.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
All right, I'm no.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Please do come say hi?

Speaker 6 (59:12):
Uh oh?

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I think well that's a perfect segue to the magic
words said by nonether than Taylor Gray.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Cue the music.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
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