Origin Story

How this trio came to be.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man, what's handed?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Man?

Speaker 1 (00:01):
You got Marshawn be Small Lynch.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politickets.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're to be, you're knowing to be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
I love that your lounge like that. We're just trying
to show off your your biceps. Man, what is this?
Are you still working out all the time? What happened?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Honestly all the time? How are you working out enough
not to be?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hell of fact, By the way, Marshawn does just say
he looks younger than men?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Who does me?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's some morreshawan.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I think he's right, it's true. I'm like, I think,
how many weeks younger than you? I like, barely even
you got it? Like ex football players, a lot of
ex athletes they look like I mean they all just let.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
It go right, yeah, I mean after putting it, I
could see how. But man, look I got complications like, man,
if I start getting too heavy, my motherfucking backstart killing me.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
So you got that?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, And this is one of those situations where you know,
we took for granted when it was younger, Like if
you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Use it, you lose the type situation.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
And man, you know I still like to get out
there and run with the kids and all that shit.
So I mean if I if I take too long
off and then I just try to get back hamstring,
you know, I mean shoulders, all these nagging as injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Were you guys? I'm curious because when you guys first
met I mean you were out there, you were you
were running back at cal You weren't scout. Were you
scout in this guy or did someone say, hey, you
got to check this Marshawn Lynch guy out. No.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I heard about Marshawn and you know, did my homework
on him, and then you heard about again. Well, back
then everyone kept talking about Adrians, Adrian Peterson and Marshawn
its two bust backs. So I went to one cow game,
saw the guy. Well, Col's in your backyard. Peterson wasn't
in your backyard, right, Peterson wasn't. But naturally you get
to know who the guys are. So anyways, I see Marshawn,

(01:59):
and I knew that this guy was going to be
the guy, and he was going to be a guy.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And you know what I call a little bs when
you saw him, you did that or you just on
the basis of stats.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, No, I saw him play again.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know me on every damn record at Cal.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I'm not a football guys. You know, I'm a
basketball baseball player, which is the irony, right, But how
the hell you become a football agent if you're not
a football guy? Great, great story. Never never never never, No,
never played football. Actually my first client was a running back,
Johnny Johnson nineteen ninety one, rookie the year got into
football ninety one. That's how long I've been doing this.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
But you were an agent working, you had a different
bunch of different clients, or at least in the agency
it was it was basketball. It stepped made Steph Curry,
I recall was part of the larger agency. I mean,
who was How the hell did this all happen?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
No, So you know, I've been an agent for God
since ninety four and then. But but anyways, when I
when I saw more Sean, I knew he was special
in the field. But then when I met him and
talking first time, I knew he had the AD factor,
And so I knew he had the factor. Now, ironically,
going back to two thousand and six, when I met you,
did I think we'd be hosting the podcast together. Probably

(03:12):
not okay because like I've said for many times, more
Shawn is taking years off my life in a good way,
in a bad way.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
But you say that like, yeah, I mean we've always
had the conversation like we should do the remake of
Jerry Maguire. Yes, the money because it was it wasn't
so much showed me the money, but but our dynamic
was like a relationship like shit, we ain't we ain't
pulling no punches. And that's kind of like you know,

(03:42):
I mean to you know, speak to you know our
relationship and ship. I think that's why it's being you know,
so strong, because you know what ship this was eighteen
years later, eighteen years eighteen years later, like we still
rock with each other already. Of the guys like they

(04:02):
switch agents like fuck, like they switch their draws type
of right. So you I mean the fact that you know,
we have a relationship where we pulled now, you know,
I mean, like it is what it is?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Did that take a long time? And you say you
when you saw him, you talked about the H factor
all the stats aside. I mean, this guy's a phenom
and high school is a phenom obviously at cal you're
interest to your agent. You're out there, everybody's hustling. I
imagine to get this guy's attention, you immediately identify that
it factor. But what what was I mean? What else?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
How did you how did you manage then the relationship?
How did you first engage Marshawn to make the point
that you're a little different than all these other damn
agents that are a diamond?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Doesn't Well it's interesting because you know, back then, I
got ahold of them through either his uncle or cousin
Patracks or KP and got a hold on more.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Sean And for folks that don't know your your uncle
playing in the NFL, right, Yeah, So that was the
So that was the point.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
He didn't meet him until.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
He was down the road, but I knew. But look,
I knew Marshawn was different and in a weird way.
I knew that, So I didn't I knew I wanted
I had to call him, but I knew I want
to meet him in person. So the first time we
met him, I said, hey, why don't you come meet
me at the Snoop show. And we go to the
Snoop Show in San Francisco and I'm thinking just.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
He and he just having to randomly have tickets, or.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I've known so Snoop knew Jamal Anderson the Dirty Bird
in Atlanta was one of my first clients back in
ninety four ninety five. Snoop and Jamal were family, so
I've known him a long time. So I knew the
show was coming to town, so I had more Seawan
come instead of him coming solo. He came with probably
twenty thirty. And you're a big.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Snoop guy back then, or you're like, I got nothing
to do tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
What was it?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
No no I fuck with Snoop for show? But I
think it was more so like good kind of flex
his muscle, because you know, at that time, it was
more so like they used to have runners, which is
like individuals that work underneath the agent, right because the
agent couldn't come talk to you, but you know, an
associate can coming higher at you.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I don't think Doug really played by those rules.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
So yeah, I mean when when it came down to
like at this point, you know, I didne been hearing
from you know, a few agents, and you know all
of them was kind of you know, talking the same,
you know, shit.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Me, here's what I can do for you, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Or at that point in time, it wasn't so much
more what they could do for me, but more so like, oh, yeah,
I'm interested in you and I want to represent you,
you know, through the process, and I'm like, uh, okay.
But you know Doug his you know, his his anger
was a little different. It wasn't so much more about like,

(06:48):
you know, I want to represent you. Now I don't
believe I mean that he wasn't having those conversations with
my cousin or you know, KP. But with me, it
was just like it seemed like some genuine shit like hey, look,
uh you know Snoop in town. We're going to the show,
like you know, I mean you should come type shit.

(07:09):
All right, I'm gonna come pull up on you and
see what's up then, like he said, I.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Bring you twenty people.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I can't. You know, ship, this was an opportunity ship.
We've been listening to the Snoop Ship for for for
forever so and you.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Had never met him before.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Nah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But honestly, as an agent, had to be the first
in the best instro ever. So he comes to show.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
So you're you're showing how hooked up you.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, well he shows up and all of a sudden
he gets he gets a little late. So he goes
in the show, does this thing and all that. And
then afterwards I said, you want to go do you
want to go hard Snoop? And so we go see
Snoop and we you know, light up some of the
California's finest and uh some of that sweetish chee and
we get with Snoop. Anyway, Snoop says, hey, listen, man,
this white guy here, you can trust him.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
He's family.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I mean he literally used that language he did.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
And for more Shawn hes still you know, might he
might not?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Well, he's it is white boy.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
You were a junior.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
This white boy, Sally.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
This white boy Sally. You were a junior at cal
at the time, right.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So anyway, so that was that was a good start
for Marshawn. And and then I got to know him
more and I realized that, hey, I'm not I Look,
I've been around for thirty years. There's a lot of
clients can to play, do well and have great things.
But I knew from Marshawn he was different, and something
was there and he wasn't Beastmo. Back then he wasn't
he was. We didn't have trademark.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, I get it all right.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
So anyway, so then he go he goes in and
does his thing and and and whatnot, and the rest
is history. But that was the first intro, which is
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Who is it when you're when you're recruiting folks? Most
important relationship? Mom?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, I think I think it depends. I think it's
it's it's it's whoever's involved. I want to go to
the player and and and the person to kind of fight.
It was important to them. Could be mom, could be uncle,
could be girlfriend, could be sister, whoever it may be.
And he was sewn. He wanted me to he wanted
me to come at him. Obviously another family. But Marshawn's
community was Oakland. It was and just mom. It wasn't cousin.
It was Oakland. He wanted to know, what can you

(09:04):
do for my crew in Oakland? And he wanted to
build a youth center in Oakland. He wanted to give
back the community. He wanted to empower the community. He
wanted to change people's lives. And you were really having.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Those conversations as a junior in college. Yeah, having talking
about community centers and giving back at that level.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Sh what like I said, this what year eighteen, that's
functioning together. And then you think about it like this
our eighteenth year of you know, doing our our give backs,
which you know over the years have evolved into bigger
ship like now we do have the community center. Uh

(09:42):
So I mean, you know, off rip, like I had
a football camp to give back to the uh, to
my to my city before I even was a ship
NFL player, So you know, it's always been something, uh,
you know that I strive to do. And then it
just happened that I had no I had family that

(10:04):
was you know, in the same position that I was
with an opportunity to go to the league. So you know, collectively,
you know, I mean that was the type of hype
that we was on.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So I forget this gap. We literally he before he
gets drafted, he's be smoked. Okay, And this before the Internet.
There was no there was no social media back then.
So back in two thousand and seven, no bullshit. Me
and Marshawn trademarked Besmoke.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
In two thousand and seven, we.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Spent probably what Marshaun five Grand trademark Bistmode and was
one of the first athletes ever to trademark something, so
we trademarked b smoke okay, which begs the question where
the hell did beast mode come from?

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Realistically? Like it was a it was some ship where.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Where you know, it was a one of my coaches
for my little league team used to call me man child.
And then as it started going on, like boy, that
boy beast, that boy beast, and then I heard, uh,
that's when when Boosy started coming out. Uh, and that
motherfucker was going hard with some ship and he had
a song, h beach Mo.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
And I'm like, oh, that ship was catchy.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
That ship was on and I was feeling that motherfucker
and then that that man child, which are he a beast?
And then yeah, and then that ship just transformed to
on beas mo. But hell, you shout out to boos
because when that ship came out and that ship started
going crazy, like yep, I adopted that ship and then.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Uh and you I mean it literally, it's like a
mask you put on your face growing up and you
felt that like this is me.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
What it is.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's just it just that was like, e body, do
you thought you.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Were that ship is and me not on me, That
ship is in me. So you know what I mean
when when that ship started going, like uh, as far
as you know, the relationship and everything that was uh
that was happening and you know, coming to life, it
was like I didn't I didn't know you know that

(12:02):
these type of things was even possible. And it was
almost to the fact where it was like I get
put in a position it was like, well, you know
they always tell me no, you can't do that, No
you can't do this, or that's not possible. This is
that a third So then I'm just like we shit,
fuck it. Uh hey, Doug, I want to I want

(12:22):
to you know, I mean, I want to start a
uh a nonprofit. It was like, all right, hook me
up with the people to do it. Damn motherfuckers did it.
Like oh shit, we accomplished some shit. Like damn we
did it. And it's like, okay, now where we go
from here.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Before it became an agent, back back in the days,
it was transactional. An agent came in this before Jeremy Guire,
before our lists.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
You mean, when you say transactional men, it was just you,
you get your your cut, you move on.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
The next agents back in the mid nineties did a
contract and then they send a Christmas card, maybe it's
some flower or president on birthday.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
And then when you're done, playing is over with. So
I want to come in it differently, and I had
accountability knowing the fact that I want to be with
Marshawn not for twelve years his career, for thirty forty years,
because and.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
You know, no, Bs, you honestly had that mindset that
this was about a relationship that's long, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because here's the deal. How many jobs in the world
can you sit there and say you can change someone's life.
Maybe a teacher, maybe a doctor, maybe a politician, But
where you can change someone's life. So I say, you know,
if I'm in this thing, I want to not only
help Marshan through his career, but also make sure that
I'm there for him when he's done, because these players
have problems when they're done. It's not when they're when

(13:41):
the player is great, the lights are on, checks are
coming in, but what happens when they're done playing for
the next twenty thirty years? Any sport you look at
shows like ESPN broke, you look at all the different
shows out there. What's going to happen? Then? So I said, listen,
if I want to get into saying I want to
be for the real reasons, look after Marshawn Soil. He's
forty to fifty six years old. I mean necessarily that
the job I have is people live to work. People

(14:04):
work to live. Most people in the world, as you know,
they work at a job and they hate what they do.
But you got to get a paycheck to pay the rent, mortgage,
car payment, whatever it may be. I literally have a job.
I live to work. Mean, I love what I do.
Don't even really know how much money I make. But
I get to see client Maran time because she does

(14:26):
to see I get to see the fruits of it. Man.
I see what Marshaw's built in terms of what he's
done for Oakland, the community. He stayed, he hasn't left,
He's been there being around and so these are the
kind of things I love doing. The players I want
to be around with that see the impact.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, and I've seen that directly because I'm a byproduct
of that relationship with Marshawn and that's how we all
came into the picture. But a little bit, let me
step back. I mean, Marshaan was your your biggest first client.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, I mean I had some bigger ones before that.
He was, you know, he was obviously big. I had
some other class.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I was the biggest, Right had some.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
He had some he like, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
And then my my biggest thing was like, uh, I
forgot who it was.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
He had a client that I hollered at. Uh uh
it was Kevin Barlow.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Kevin Barlow.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, so I hollered at him.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Man, he was and he the one who really, like
you know, put into my mind like, you know what,
you gotta check some ship on another level. Otherwise you
feel me, you could get kind of tossed to the side.
And I don't know, like you know what the dynamics
of the relationship was. But he was just like, hey,
you know what I mean, just make sure you stay
on top of your agent, because like you said, it

(15:37):
was a tran it was transactional. So you know, I mean,
I I told Doug straight like, hey, it ain't gonna
be no you feel me, you come, you get this
check and then you don't holler at me, like, motherfucker,
you better pick up that phone and higher at your
boy or when I pick up the phone and I
ain't calling to just talk to you about you know
what I mean, what's going on with?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Uh? You know, a con tract of nothing. I'm a call,
Hey what's up? How you know? How the kids doing?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Like, hey, we got this event going on, you better
come pop out and you know what I mean, show
what's up? So I mean, you know, I think it
was you know, both of us being proactive and uh
and uh, you know, building a relationship that you know,
we didn't know well our for show didn't know that
you could have between agent and player. But I mean,

(16:23):
you know, it was a lot of It was a
lot of things that you know, I think could have
hindered that because you know, at the time, Uh, there
wasn't a I'm pretty sure there's a lot more, but
there wasn't a lot of black uh black agents.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
You know the few that was in it, they they
they angle was more like, uh, you know, don't go
and sign with the white boy. And you know what
I mean, not just saying Doug in general, but you
know that was just a thing. So you know, for
me to step out and actually give them an opportunity
and you know what I mean to start to uh
be aild to trust in our relationship. That ship was

(17:03):
That ship was big and it was a leap of
faith that you know, actually turned out to be.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I still say to this day of look, Gavin Marshawn
can make one time, So listen, don't come at me crooked.
Before I ready to sign, I said, what do you
mean to make crooked? He said, don't bullsheit me, shoot
me straight, look me in the eyeball it whether it
be good or bad. If it's when things are, things
would be good, but things would go bad. Told me
the truth and I'll never forget that. He said, don't
come out met And I know you've never.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Got that because you bring that up all the time,
independent of where that came from.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Don't look at me cricket. And you're always giving people
that same advice. But was there a moment, Marshaun in
the relationship where you're like you knew you didn't have
to you didn't have.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
To worry about this guy anymore. Was there was there
an incident? Was there an issue? Was there you know something.
He went the extra mile. You're like, damn, this guy
is the real deal. I'm one hundred. I'm all in.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, from from conversations that I had with you know,
some teammates and uh you know older players about you know,
the relationships with their agents. Uh, it was a situation
that that came up, and uh one of my cousins
had ended up going to jail, and so I called
Fresh like, hey, blood, my cousin just went down. Bro,

(18:14):
like I need some help type shit. He like, Okay,
hold on, I'll call you right back.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
They called me back like, well, what's his name? You
know what I mean? Where he went to jail at?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (18:24):
And uh, we're gonna figure some shit out.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And then you.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Feel me from there was like, oh shit, he didn't
judge me based off of you know, uh, you know
me calling him telling him that my cousin had went
to jail.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Like, he didn't backpedal on me. You feel me though.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
He showed up and then you feel me to me
was the extra step, like you know, I mean because
of where I was at, you know, I mean, he
went you know what I mean to the ball bondsman
and you know what I mean, put down his own
you know, I mean his own chicken type shit, and
I'm like, oh, like, yeah, this white boy got my
back on some other ship. Like, but the biggest thing

(19:03):
it wasn't even the you know, him going down to
the bail bonds man or you know, handling the situation.
It was that when it happened, he didn't judge me.
And that ship was that that ship was big, and
that's when it had clicked for me, Like, oh yeah,
you know what, he might be locked in now. It
could have been because at that point in time, I

(19:24):
might have been, uh, his biggest name client. But the
fact that he went to work and made that ship happen,
like all right, fresh you remember that?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well, no, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. But
but it's funny kind of as a prelude to where
you came in this whole relationship. I'll never forget this
where Shawn had an issue in Buffalo and he it
was it was a hit and run thing. It was bullshit.
Uh you know, the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
It was just a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
This is two thousand, it's like his second year in
the league. So he's in Buffalo, gets this hit and
run deal, minor thing.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
It was going to be.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
It was no issue, right, So the team sets him
up with an attorney. So this attorney thinks he's the
next Flee Bailey and Johnny Cochran, and he wants to
not not get the case over with. He wants to
like make this thing CNN and public and go take
this thing instead of getting like a misdemeanor ticket, he
wants to take this thing to court and all that.

(20:22):
So Marshawn, you know, being from Oakland, He's like, hey, minute,
don't talk to anybody. Don't talk to your agent, don't
talk to anybody, lawyers, lawyers, so so. So for three
four days in a row, I don't hear from Marshawn, okay,
and I'm like, this is weird. Man, Like I literally
he's not calling me back and so so no bullshit.
At four in the morning, I wake up my wife,

(20:43):
Shila will Know says, where are you going. She's like,
I'm going to Buffalo And she's like, what do you
mean You're going to Buffalo? And I said, I go,
I go. I don't know what's going on, but Marshawn's
not getting back to me. I something this thing doesn't
get handled because I got tipped off from Goodell that
if we don't get this case over, something might go down.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I mean, you'll get suspended.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Now, this attorney's not calling me back because I'm not
his client. Marshawn's my client repsisdent. So she's like, where
are you going? I said, I'm going to Buffalo. She's like,
have you planned I go? And I said no. So
I literally go to the air present. I'm going to
the airport. I book a flight. This is like December.
I connect through Chicago, get to Buffalo. Okay, I get
a cab and I go to Marshawn's house. Okay, I'll

(21:26):
never forget. He opens the door in like a robe
or his shorts on, a T shirt on eating fruity
pebbles okay or lucky charms, remember this, and he looks
at me.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
He says, talk about the diet.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Later he looks at me and he's like, what the
fuck are you doing here? And I said I came
here and he says, were you? I didn't know you're
in town. I said, I didn't know what was coming either.
He says, what are you here for us to listen
here's the deal. I need ten minutes. I said, we
need to fire this attorney. We need to get this
pledged to a misdemeanor. We need to get it done.
If not, this thing's going the wrong direction. You're getting suspends.

(21:59):
After talking to Goodell, well this is when I get
tipped off before. But I'm like, so here we got it.
He's like, so what do you think. I said, we
got to fire the attorney, we got to plead this
thing out, and we got to be done with it.
And he says, okay. He says, where are you going?
I said, I'm getting back in the fucking cab and
going back to the airport, going home, so literally Chicago.
I stay, I met Marshawn's fifteen I don't even think

(22:21):
I come in the house. Fifteen minutes. I get back
as I land, I get a voice for for more.
Shawn says, got it, let's get it done. So we
fired the attorney, got the thing pled down to misdemeanor. Okay,
got it over with, and hence where you came in
the relationship.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
And then I.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Called you when I say, Gavin, I don't know Goodell
that well at the time, but Marshawn is up for
us as possible. He's at He's a great kid.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Have his back. Don't believe any of the bs you're reading.
I'm telling you, Oh, this is the real deal. Not
in a few times. This guy's a great kid. He's
not this guy.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And what did you do? You called?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I called him just and I said, this is I'm
not asking you for anything. I'm just telling you this
is a great kid. I don't care what you basically repeated,
not everything you said, but what I had experienced the
first few times I met with him, and then you
vouched for him, So I vouched for you on behalf
of Marshan and I remember, good. I'll never forget that call.
First of all, he appreciated the call. It wasn't influential

(23:21):
in that respect, and I wasn't in a position to
be quote unquote influential, but it was. It was a
character of validation that was way out of the norm.
And he's hearing from some guy like me going, how
does what's the relationship there? And I remember you can
tell with Roger. I don't want to speak for Roger,
but it triggered something of you know, curiosity, How does

(23:42):
this guy know Marshan.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And well, the crazy is that is that little I
was saying, little things in life, you can go into
directions where it's it changes lives. And that was one
where if you're a kid, man, that's that goes in
one or two directions, right, I mean man. And if
we didn't get ready the attorney and that guy was
a freaking preck by. If we didn't get rid of
this guy, I'm not going I just wanted the attorney.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I didn't say a word. Okay, it's these two.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
But we had to get we had to get him
out of it. And and if we didn't, who knows what
direction went. But it all turned out and and liq,
wh're at today? And there was some other hiccups in
the road two along that line, and we got him
out of Buffalo eventually. But that was big on your part, guy,
So I appreciate that. Let's show more Sean a lot,
and that's the.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Beginning of the relationship.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
So that I mean for maybe for for YouTube, but
the biggest thing was, you know, I mean when we
I don't know what campus was, it might have been three,
might have been our third one, but.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
For your camps in Oakland, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
And uh, you know, we asked you to come out,
and you know, I mean I remember his ship like
yesterday man pull up and yeah, I just remember Josh like,
you know what's crazy because Mark at the time, Marcus
was uh pete.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He was a participant in the camp. He was he
was Marcus. Yeah, he was a participant in the camp.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
And now I mean now he uh you know, vice
president for the UH for the foundation. But yeah, I
mean I know we all sitting on the thing like, man,
who the fuck is this coming up? Like the president
type ship and then Batman jump out you feel me,
and I'm.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like, oh shit, this motherfucker. Really he really answered the call,
like all right, cool.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
So then when you come out and then you just
came and you know, were walking around the track just
politicing and ship and I just remember when I go
back on the field, you know, I hear you know
some of the UH the coaches was like, bro, motherfucker,
that's Gavin Nue, Like how you get him to come out?
I'm like, bro, I have no idea, but the impact

(25:50):
that it made on them for them to be able
to see you out there and the way that they responded. Yeah,
I mean like your you know, your political status is
what it is. But I'm like, you know what, fuck
all that, Like Gavin really just popped out to the hood,
you feel me doing and and and and really came
and just was functioning like on some on some solid

(26:12):
shit like not you know what I mean, worried about
all the I guess back lad or whatever the fuck
would have happened for you know, somebody of your statue
to come out to you know what I mean, come
to the hood and really just you know what I mean,
kick it.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
That shit was like damn, like I fucked with brush.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
So then you know, when it comes down to it,
like you know, we got some events going on in
the city, Marshan, we need y'all to come out. And
then I mean for us, because of what we were
doing in the community, you know, to be at those events,
you know, I mean, it kind of opened our eyes
to a lot of shit that we didn't know, you
know what I mean, what's happening that was possible for

(26:51):
us to do. And then I mean, you know, we
was taking the ship of what we're seeing how y'all
was rocking and managing shit, and we would take it
back to Oakland and implemented in our foundation. And it's like, yeah,
I mean at the end of the day, now you
look up and yeah, I mean we in year eighteen.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's like damn.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And meanwhile, I'm taking back all those experiences and I'll
never forget. I mean a number of the families that
were there, with all the kids and the pride and
the energy and in your I mean, i mean, here
you are, this next level rocks. I mean, every one
of these kids want to be Marshaun Lynch one day.
And just that deep pride, that sense of community and

(27:34):
a completely different relationship with the community. It's not intellectual
and you start to feel that at a deeper level,
a human level. And it definitely grounded me in the
work I was doing at the time. I had just
become mayor of San Francisco. Some across the Bay and
Nobs started spending more time in Baybey Hunter's Point, in
the projects at West Point Middle Point. I did something

(27:56):
called March Gladness instead of March Madness, which is a
basketball tournament three on three with folks up there in
the projects. All of that just in relationship to developing
a deeper relationship with you and Doug in the community
and a connection that was not again about politics. And
I think one of the cool things about this podcast

(28:18):
is it's not about politics. And I know we've framed
it as politiicing and Marshaun. That's interesting. I imagine people
are curious how even came up the name, but you
you talk about it in the context of what you
do every single day, right.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Just even like you were just saying so in a
sense to where you know, like you are a politician
and then you know, I mean just even like you know,
back then, you know, some of the people who you know,
I could say, like the older folk was like damn,
you know you well fuck you just had at the
mayor of a San Francisco over here and the mayor

(29:04):
of Oakland ain't even came and I'm like like damn.
Like so as I'm looking at it, you know, like
it's to me, it's like, well, shit, you know, if
if this motherfucker is the one who you know, run
a San Francisco and shit, and he would take the
time out considering you was doing shit over in Frisco,
but you know, you would take the time to come
over to Oakland, you know what I mean to politic

(29:26):
with us, like like, damn, you know, I'm not looking
at it as a political move for you, because I'm
pretty sure it like, well, why you out there in
Oakland over there doing something? You know they'll find it
with somebody gonna find a way to say what you're
doing over in in they city and not in ours
type of shit. But the fact that you know what
I mean, I don't. I don't think maybe you did,

(29:48):
But for me, it was like you coming to Oakland,
like you don't get no political gain from over there.
You just coming over here to function with your you
know what I mean, function with your dude, Like what's up.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
With a gap? You good batman?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
You really just popped out of the Batmobile and came
to the hood like, man, what's up?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Like, hey man, this is my mama. Hey, this is
my cousin.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Hey look man, oh man, look brother, this this this
unk right here.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
And that's Auntie right there.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
You know, we call Uncle Auntie individuals who you know,
maybe on drug or something. But and while you was there,
like you feel me, did nobody feel like you know,
you was looking down at him or feeling uncomfortable. Now,
you probably had about a million secret services around there
making sure everything was all good. But yeah, I mean
the fact that you was comfortable over there, like you know,

(30:33):
I mean I look at that type of ship. You
feel what I'm saying now. You know how people you
know judge you based off of you know, uh, you know,
your your if they see on TV Dad like you
feel me like status. I was looking at you as
you know, I mean as a as a as a
as a person like man, let me see what what

(30:54):
dog really talk about? And dan ship you know, from
there then you inviting mo fucker to your house and
hell and shit and I'm like, damn, like, oh dog,
real dog.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well that's the thing. More sean Like he slid like
you know, we always say that. More sean Like you
grew up. And I think when I signed you say,
hey man, if I make fucking thirty, life's good, kiss
this guy. And uh, you know, as you know, my
dad died young forty four, and on his deathbed he
told me, hey, man, keep good people in your life.

(31:24):
Life isn't that hard. But treat people right, put people
good in your corner and have those relationships. And at
the end of the day, you know, it's about finding
the right people, right, and and and I found the
right people. You know, Gav has been my partner for
and brother for twenty five years. You have been as well.
And at the end of the day, it's about knowing
who you're with, know what they're all about, whatnot. You

(31:46):
know what I'm saying, But you're right. People give him
shit like you know this and that, but you know
the real people what they're all about.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
But it's interesting, it's it just listen, It's all about judgment,
Isn't it just judging other people for their circuit. You
talk about Doug not judging you, about family members, bails, bond,
anyone looking down at you, wasn't looking past you. And
I mean it is. I mean it's again back relationship,
but judgment. That's it's like original sin men to assume

(32:16):
you know more than you do about someone else. Uh
And And I think that's kind of the journey we've
been all on is a little humility and grace and
appreciation and respect for one another without the judgment, without
all that stigma, without all the bs. So in every respect,
this is very likely, not unlikely that we're doing this podcast,

(32:37):
But for others, they may judge this as a strange circumstance.
But we need a little bit more of this, a
little more grace, little amility in the world where people
are so quick to dismiss people or as you say,
talk past people or down to people. And and now listen,
and I think the whole purpose of this damn podcast
is to get out of that, because right now it's

(32:58):
just everyone feels it's a zero game. It's scarcity. I
got to get mine and take off as opposed to
framework of abundance where we're finding, you know, ways to
live together and advance together across differences. So anyway, I
love this. But the origin story is interesting, But man,
what's more interesting of the damn this journey we've been

(33:18):
on together over the course last few years.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And some crazy well you know it's crazy. It was
crazy stories. I gotta be honest with more Seawan, me
and Galvin have been blasted only us, but with our
whole crew and our wives and family, because you know,
these Seattle days were like fucking I mean, it was.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Like all San Francisco possible.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Said very loudly, you know where we're at, right man.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
But let me let me bring you back, Let me
bring you back never forget this. I'm going to bring
you back to twenty fourteen. Okay, we were young. We
were young, Gavin Iron, Gavin Iron, New York and you
guys playing the Broncos and it's Super Bowl one, the
whole deal, and you guys come up for the great
season kind of storybuck ride getting the playoffs, I think
all three games in the road to get there, and

(34:04):
we're having a great week and and reving fun doing
our thing and New York and whatnot. I think we
were to Howard Stern party one night, did a bunch
of things. Yeah, but I'll never forget. It's thirty degrees.
You guys win, and when.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
They didn't win, it was a rent.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
It was over in the first Let me ask you
a question. Let's establish some So we get down the
locker room, right, So we're waiting for Marshaun the outside
of the locker room. What does he tell me when he.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
The hell we even got down the locker room. It's
a whole nother conversation, and that's you want to talk.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
So was that you don't get to go down?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Who the hell are we to get down to the
locker room?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
But before the game, when we was coming in.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I was trying to figure out how because I'm I've
seen y'all. We met up and Holland before we actually
went into the stadium to uh.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
We got we got some passes to get down there.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
So I'm like, how do hear y'all even back here?
I don't let nobody back making up.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
He's never had a pass in his life. He's never
a ticket in his life. He is the only me
who did modern day Houdini had nothing on your story.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
That's what you could talk place on planet Earth, any
place on planet Earth. That place was impenetrable. It's a
super Bowl and it was kind of a Post nine
It's in New York, YEP. Post nine to eleven super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
They had locked the place down, and you're like, we
got to go down to see Marshaana.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I'm like, Doug, that ain't happening, not a chance in hell.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So now we'll get down. There's fucking Marshaan says to me, God,
I will never forget.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
He doesn't look at any of us. He b lines
to you headphones on the whole thing, yet your backpack on,
and You're like, this is the Jerry maguire moment, show
me the money, show like what the hell?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
And I thought it was a joke and Marshana won
a joke. He was like physically getting in your face
and you're kind of smiling like and you're looking at
me like this is not a Like I had to
back away.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I'm like, oh, man, like Marcion, you were coming hot.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You just won the.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Super Bowl, man, dog, you just won the super Bowl.
How about to take a moment.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
That was you know? That was all yeah. I mean
you came right out of.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
The Doug yelling and screaming. We got to renegotiate the.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Contract that he had three years laugh. But he's like
showing he said it shows me. And I'm like, I'm like, Marshawn,
you just won.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Literally, you just won the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Bro, Relax, we did. I did enjoy it. I think
I got left but here.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
But then what happened? He did get lifting. Yeah, he
stayed in York. I actually got him a flight the
next day. He couldn't fly back with the team. You
know what I got, you walked away. You gave me
your super Bowl hat, which I still have if you
need it back. Bro.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I got like that was amazing.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
But listen, but let's but let's go in. So now
here's the crazy part. So we go, we go from
that super Bowl New York. We have a great offseason,
you do your thing, you have a great time, no deal.
And as we get into you next season, remember this
Seahawks team is like the Rolling Stones and Beatles. I
mean it's electric, right level. I mean we're at these games.
The city, the energy and the vibe of Seattle is crazy.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's a different place, has never been there.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
So they go on and they go on, and they
go on an eight game winning streak, okay, and this
town is going nuts, I mean crazy. And I got
to be honest with Gavin, when I look at the
state of some of the best times in your life,
was those seven eight games a years? I mean it
was unbelievable, right, And.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
So I say that as yeah, you damn damn.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
So yeah, they go on to in game winning streak
where Shawn has the beast quake. Okay, that was the
beast quake two against the Cardinals, Beast Quake two and
and and all that. And so now they go in
the playoffs, okay, and they go in the playoffs, they win,
They win the first game, and now we got the Packers. Okay,
and the Packers game is, true to this day, the

(37:46):
best game I've ever witnessed some entire life. That game
unbelievable game.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
You're shaking your head? Why are you shaking your head?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
What?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
What about that game was that? I mean, was that
up there isn't for you?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Oh yeah, most definitely. It was so much ship going
on that happened in that thing. And then we'll make
it even better. Is on the other side of that
is my uh my college quarterback a Rod So yeah,
I mean, it just made it even aaron more better. So,
and the ending to that was it was a trip.

(38:19):
But see something interesting about that was I think I
had a I had got in trouble for doing the
whole my dick from thest So they was telling.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Me talking about that other time you jump in.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
The end zone and and grab your dick again, We're
gonna find you.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
And I'm like, man, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (38:36):
And then the next week after that, you see that,
you see them selling pictures the polls with me.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I said, oh, I ain't this about a bitch the
way gonna.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
To go down that rabbit hole. But what the hell,
I mean on behalf of your What the hell you
doing that? What is that?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Where'd that even come from?

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Look, man, it's just a little thing like sometimes you
just got to drop your nuts, hold.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Those things and drop us.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Like literally, I mean what you just you dive back where?
I mean? Were you practicing this at home? Where that
come from?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know, I have no idea, he said, practice
you're doing this?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
No wonder you have a bad back?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Now do you know what landing on that motherfucker thatad?

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yes, So Gavin, here's the craziest. So we win the game.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
I remember call it Doug saying what the hell is
he doing?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
So we win the gall and I go to Marshaan's house.
Marshall's a little party going on, and I it seemed
this was like seemed like it was yesterday.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
What do you right after the game?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
At the game, we got to his house, he's got
people overhold.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
By the way, did you run up to Rogers and
give him ship after the game?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Nah? I got out of here.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You weren't You weren't rubbing anything.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And are so So I'm with Marshaan and and he's like, hey, man,
we got to talk. And this is now a year later,
after the Denver game, Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Guy, He's like, we got to talk. He said, hey, man,
I need my money. Here we go again, and I'm like,
is after the Green Bag?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
No, man, that's when I had you talked to. So
that's when I had you talk to.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You made no progress off season, you made no progress.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
No, no progress. So he says, he said, we got
to talk about my contracts. Sod damn.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Now I'm starting to side with to go and.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Talk to Mark.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I did, and you too, and I'll never forget him.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I had him, I had him that march.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
So I'm starting to side with you on this. It
took him a damn year.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
So I leave, I leave, I leave his house and
I go to the people. Say, Doug, you know these
teams pretty well. And you know these teams well when
you go through battles and you know them and negotiations
and battles and fights. So I leave more sean at
one third. The more I leave your house, I go
to John's house. Now John's the GM with the Seahawks,
John John Schneiders, who we all know and love. So
John Schneider's a gym. He's having a party. He's having

(40:55):
a good time. He's had a few drinks in him.
He's a mid Wisconsin going back with the super Bowls.
Back to Super Bowl. I go to John's house and
we're sitting there having a great time. And about three
in the morning, he puts his arm around me and say, Doug,
how good is this man? How fucking good is this moment?
I said, what's really good?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
John?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
However, I got it, but I do got to talk.
He's like, what's up?

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I said, well, yeah, but we got to work on
more Shawn Steal. He's like, wait a minute, you're here
party and you want you asking for a new fucking
contract tonight. I said, yeah, I am John. I go
he deserves it. He's back there. We got to talk
about this. He's like, you want me to go to
Paul Allen before the Super Bowl and asked for a

(41:40):
new contract. I said, I said, yeah, I do, John,
I do. Marshawn is shaking his head right now, yes.
And this turn, this turn, this turned into a bro fest,
like this is great to fuck you and I'm like,
fuck you. And now we're young guy, you guys, good friends,
great friends, at three in the morning. And the crazy
part about it was we both had way too much

(42:01):
to drive. Okay, my phone dies, I can't get an uber.
John can't drive. So John says, fuck you, but sleep
on my couch throws me like a blanket. So here
I am sleeping on John Schnyder's couch after I yelled
at about a new contract from where Shawn in John's
the best time of his life. This about to go back,
and I sleep on the freaking couch.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Redefining the walk of shame the next morning.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
But the next day, but I will. I don't know.
I don't know what happened. But if he didn't or
he did.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Go and talk to UH, to Paul Allen about it,
that conversation is sparked the relationship with me and UH,
with me and Paul Island Dad, Like I got a
lot of respect for that dude, Like, yep, you know
what he showed He showed up and showed.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Out for me.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Like I got a lot of love and respect for
Paul Island Rest in peace, big dog.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But that yeah, like like.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
You know, he came to Defense and actually had Hennessy
with Marshak Hennessy.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
That motherfucker had Putrinity one for you, big dog, and
remember and say you're I'm gonna throw back and shot
a patran for you.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
And it's crazy because everybody was like, oh, you know
Paul Is.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
You know, he's weird, he's awkward, this, that and the third.
And I'm like, well, ship, all right, all right, put
him in you know what I mean, I'm gonna sit
next to him at the at the dinner. And when
I sat there and win him and we was chopping
it up, and I'm like, what the fuck they talking about?

Speaker 1 (43:32):
He weird as shit?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
He he said, look cool to me, like and then
you know it's me, uh, Joe Montana and a couple
of my teammates and I'm like, hey, you know what,
have a shot with me. You don't drink like that.
So he all right, I'll do it like what we're drinking, Like, Oh,

(43:53):
don't worry about it. It's gonna be good. So I
got around the patrinityy for everybody.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
So you feel me.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
We cheers through the motherfuckers back like what was that like?
But Trinity Like, what the fuck is Patrona Hennessy mixed?
He's like, oh my god, what you just had me drinking,
he played his guitar and hell of shit. But I mean,
you know, it turned out to be a good ass night.
And then you know, everybody work in the organization was like, hey,

(44:21):
you know what man like I've never seen him in
last type of yeah, I mean environment and you know,
move the way that he did. And then I mean,
you know, from there, shit just you know elevated as
far as you know, our relationship. Motherfuckers started helping me.
Like you know, I was looking for some real estate
honest Seattle to you know, do my store, and damn

(44:42):
if I had some investments and shit like I would,
I would send it over to him, and you know
he would give me like a yay or nay on
and type shit. And you know what I mean, we
just started, you know, uh communicating on a level like
you know say that you know, owners don't really communicate
with they uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
With their players.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
A year it was incredible, Yeah, but you know what
I mean, he really took the time and the effort
to like you feel me though, actually holler at me.
And then it got to a point where, you know,
after we had lost the uh the super Bowl, like
you know, I mean He called me and was like
I need you to be in uh in Seattle, And

(45:21):
I'm like whin He like tomorrow and I'm like, shit,
everything cool, like yeah, I just wanna just want to
talk to you, like like shit, all right, well cool? Uh,
you know I'll be up there, like yeah, I'm I'm
over in the uh in the Philippines. Uh in the

(45:42):
fucking ocean looking for a Japanese fighter ship that suck.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Like you and the Philippines and you talking about you
want me to be you got some shit going on,
but you know what I mean, if anybody can make it work, shit,
I guess it's you. I don't know how the fuck
he got from the Philippines. He's back to Seattle in
the time for the meeting. But when I showed up
Ship he was right there. I called ug like, hey, bro, uh,
this motherfucker told me you want me to meet him

(46:10):
in Seattle at like two o'clock or something like. You
know what's going on though, like Ship, I don't know.
But when we got there, we had a very interesting,
uh conversation.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
But then it just made me think.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Like like oh you you really fucked with me on
a on a different level, like this ship is like
you know this how my uh how my pay grade,
Like this ain't my type of time. But you know,
I mean if if, if so, I mean I could
try and figure some ship out, but like, yeah, I

(46:44):
want you to. And I'm like, all right, well ship,
we're gonna rock like that. But I don't know if
it sparked from you know, the conversation that you and Snyder.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Ha had the gym.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Again, mar Shawn, I think true Fleets probably goes down
as one of the favorite players paulse had in terms
of basketball or football. And he meant a lot to them,
and and and it shows it up like that was
big And I mean and and we're running out of time,
but we're gonna have plenty of time to talk about.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
That Super Bowl. Yeah, we talked about that. We got
a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
By the way, that whole week might be about four episodes. Yeah,
because there's stuff people not knowing that.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
What happened right after the game, what happened literally well
I thought the game was still going on. I don't
even know that. And mar Shaun got home that night.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, we'll get into all that and.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Then we'll explain exactly why Paul was trying to track
you down.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Let's just say, man, like you were saying, you know,
you gotta have good people around. Let's just say I
have some good people around, and they made some ship happen.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Happen.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
We're gonna talk about exactly what happened, and more more
more of that to come, more that.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
I'm to come on, politic, politic, let's go looking there
with your little outsider.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Let's go and probatics go. I like that