May 30, 2023 • 45 mins
A glimpse into the Hags’ text thread, sisterhood. Unexpected Poog listeners continue to reveal themselves. Seeing an ad for a product you already have. If it's truly the shadow, you do not see it. Dreams of an owl. 5 foot feather boa, for the community. The neck is gone. Kate circles back on stem cells and packing light.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kate Berlance, I'm Jacqueline Novaka. And this is poog,
an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive, fresh, two
untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell,
This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.
Today's topics looselie speaking, colostrum, tour, body, a house. He'll
be calm the.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Fact that this is not an actual, that we are
not sponsored by Lima. I'm lemoing at the moment. Wait,
this is like Coca Cola. Yeah, go get yours. This
is insane American idol drink drinking Coca Cola, and.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Coke was paying for that. Make no mistake, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Just laughing imagining if I thought people were ignorant to
the fact that Coke was paying for that.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh ah, oh okay, hello, she's injured. Sorry, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I was just laughing with myself and any eavesdroppers that
this is like an American idol.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The judges have the cups of coke. You know, I
don't know, I've never seen. You'd love it, Honestly, I'm
sure you'd love it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Watching them audition and the whole thing and someone comes
in and it's like how it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Got spooked by Like when they have like the crazy
person audition. Yeah, you know what I mean? And everyone
is so fake, like the producers. It feels weird. Yeah,
everyone's like anyway, wait, my marionettelines have gotten out of control.
Look at the Marry nettlines. I can't low your low
res kate. Fuck, I blame your internet connection. What have
(01:35):
you done? Did you writhe and dance your way across
the router? Something has been weird with my internet for
months and I just choose to ignore it. Well, wait,
you will have to make that a day. All right,
let's launch in because there's a lot to say. There's
a lot to say. I have a lot to say too.
We are leameing and no one's paying. Well they paid,
meaning they sent us to Lima's and I fell off.
Yesterday I was feeling like wait, I was like, my
(01:55):
face is something's happening? So I was like, you need
to zip. So yesterday I did a zip. Wow, I did.
I've been doing the Dennis Gross light mask quite really.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I did it last night and I smashed my toe
because I tried to live my life while.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Ware Oh no, no, I just lay on my back. Yeah,
if you don't strap it on, I use it as
a three minute meditation. Well, I strapped it on and
was like, I guess because it has eye holes. In
my mind, that means I'm supposed to live your life
with it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But it's actually just because they're trying not to blast
the eye eyeballs, although I wouldn't mind a little. I know,
red light right in the eyebright through the eyes, which
is to be good. Go on, speak of your device
and speak of what's happening. Were to say it's today,
it's a lot to say.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, so well, first of all, I'm having This is
when an AD works well. By the way, yeah, it's
always work, as we know. But I woke up looking
at Instagram, of course because I've relapsed. As we all know.
I was served a Sakara ad of the metabolism chocolate powder,
and there was a woman that you have it. Well,
(02:57):
let me finish. I look at the ad. I look
at the ad, I see a woman blending it into
her coffee. I go fuck, and I go, okay, you
have it. I run to the kitchen, nude, as usual,
find the sachets blended Here's what I did. I blended
the sakara metabolaum and catter into my milk, no honey,
(03:22):
into my no although I had been making my own
walnut milk no into my Elmhurst cash and milk. And
then I poured that into my coffee. WHOA wow, really nice. Yeah,
it was good. It's very strong cocao because it's not sweetened.
It's like barely there's one grim of sugar in the
powder in the cichet, so it's like it's not a
(03:42):
sweet thing.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I've been brutalized by that powder before, Like I
like put it a little too eagerly into something.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Of the tree. It's not a tree. It was just
gonna be nothing. I like cocow though, what Okay, you
know what happened to me? This is where you're so
deep into the thing. So I'm sit there on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I don't say like I relapsed, because I haven't pretended to,
you know whatever. I say an ad for the colostrum
and they show a photo that is just like, Okay,
here's a hag on the left and he's a gorgeous got.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Us on the right, the same woman. Only difference. Colostrum yea.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But I'm like, I'm in okay, I'm like, I need
to order this, and then I'm like, something about this
feels familiar.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Go to the kitchen. There it is now. I don't
know if they sent it. I ordered it before it's
called like arm rah, I may have just been served
it and bought it. And then I want a well
there have been there's been a lot in my house.
So so I was experiencing stomach pain, bloating discomfort, texting
(04:45):
Jacqueline something's wrong, Like I was like, like my jeans
were like almost my jeans were okay, we've all been
through this, right, your jeans you washed them and then
they're so tight, which is a detail Jackel I didn't
share with you. My jeans have been washed a really tight.
You're a fool nobody that you gained well. I was
(05:06):
like whoa and they were really tight. It was making
me upset. I was like, well, this is what happened
you to break them back in, you have to wash
your genes okay, and so, but I was having some
stomach issues. I was like or like, by the way,
when you say stomach issues, here's what people think diarrhea, shitting, okay,
And I just want to say, that's not what it is.
When I say stomach issues, this is it's like anyway,
(05:27):
And so I bought out of pocket. This has been
served to me on Instagram and such array A R
R A E. Bloat pills like digestive whatever the fuck
they're supposed to take after you eat. And so I'm
experimenting with that. I purchased that at Arawan. We're looking
at forty bucks. We'll see. And then I met. I
told you I would bloat, I know. And then I
(05:49):
told you already I bought the ah collegen or I
was playing with that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I'm almost tempted, was tempted to just do a dramatic
rate of art. Deech speak, Sure to do it. I
know there might be stuff that we need cut after.
Let's just go for it anyway, you're ready, Yeah, oh,
this is pretty good from a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Wait, well I sent you a photo of my ass.
Oh yeah, that was that. Feels like we I was
pouring through the airport. A man caught it. Okay, yeah no,
but I just see this thing. Well, I have two
things to say. Remind me well, actually the TEXTUD will
keep me on chain.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Okay, I just want to say, can I just tell
you about ordering food at the hotel really quick?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Please please come back. That's what poog is for.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So because I see in here there was this text exchange. Okay,
oh yeah, okay. First of all, I go I played
Poog brazen ly in the uber. Frankly, I can't believe
it or I ever loved it. Oh my god, I
love it. Okay, my headphones died. I needed to check
equality of the app. And he was loving.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It well, Jacqueline Jacline audibly laughing. See this is what
I'm talking about. I will never forget. I know I
told you this. Sorry I did interrupt. But when I
was doing my was doing a show workshop in La.
At my show, I see like four like young kind
of bros, like skatery, like they're like twenty one, twenty two,
like straight guys like and I was like, god, whoa.
(07:13):
And then one of them after was like I love
he was He's like I love Poog. No, he was
like you get me through my Grubhub deliveries, like what,
I love it? And this is like a twenty two
year old, Like I was like, are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Me.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
This almost fell to my knees. And no, it was
so beautiful. This is when America's I was. I was like,
I was like, this is when I could not believe
it to think and if he's listening now, you have
no idea what that did for me, what this is
doing for me?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I mean, I don't you know there is Please know
that if you are the targeted classique okay, poog listener,
of course you are beloved, you love you, and we're
a fan of the masses that I required. Okay, But
the rogue, the unexpected listener, the truck driver I can
continue returned to and fetishize. Okay, of course out there
(08:03):
on the road bump bump, bump, okay, stopping anyway, So okay, Hi,
I'm sorry, so I go frankly.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
He loved it. And even when he wasn't laughing, you know,
and from behind you can.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
See someone's cheeks like enough, from like a back angle,
you can fully see it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It was lifted. It was the cheeks were erected skyward. Okay. Yeah,
and and just cackling. Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was like it was like the best And yes,
I said, it's my podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I won't lie. Yes, of course you have to. I'm
soaring and I had to.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And at the end, like you know, and I was
like also doing this like I'm sorry, this is so whatever,
like sorry, but and then I was like I'm so
worried for him that I was going to get out
of the the it was Lyft. It was Lyft and
actually told me explicitly how Lyft is. It's it's not
just pink. It is better for the drivers by a
thousand million things. It's real really go lift based on
(09:00):
my driver, Like yeah, Uber, like you know, do you
remember that right?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like you remember it was like lifts. I remember I
made the chance the permanent transfer to Lyft, but I
know lift is still hell. But yeah, I guess, well
that was the thing. I was like.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It was one of those things that almost became like
and so like actually another bout how like a books
is owned by.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Amazon or whenever, it was one of those and I've
heard you all be like apologies, Yeah, we're going to
find the weeping true a dependent online bookseller. I think
there's one called like fuck, I can't remember, got your
local bookstore, have them order it for you. Yes, it's
called how to Weep in Public? You know, it's the urgency,
(09:36):
the urgency, the convenience. It's like, very rarely do we
truly need the book the next day, right, You're like,
I want to read it now, totally. The bookstore order
it for you.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Wait, okay, and then you get to have another trip
into the store, and and you get to go next
time I come. Because if you're at the books sore,
you go next time I come. I'm gonna go to
the cheese shop next door. You see what I'm saying.
You get to plan the next trip. I'm saying that
because there was a cheese shop right next to the
bookstore in the town I grew up. Can you imagine
a cheese shop? I mean beautiful, Not that those don't exist,
(10:04):
they do, but so okay, hold on, take me back.
So she was talking about the driver and listen.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So I'm like, and I'm so worried that he was
gonna I was gonna leave the lift and he was
gonna my name was instantly going to disappear from the
you know, account for security.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You'd never find poo, you'd never know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And so I literally was like, uh, are you familiar
with goop?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, okay, love it. Yeah. I was like, like, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I had to barrow forward because we were only thirty
seven T minus thirty from me getting out of the car.
And so the group Gwyneth Paltrow was like, we're sort
of like literally I went with that pitch.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Just to get the name. Yeah, Like I was like,
so we're poog screaming. I mean I was. It was
after a show, Yeah, of course, okay, yeah, goop backwards
poop you know. I was like, he'll never be able
to find it. My name has disappeared. Whatever. So I
was worried before him, but take me back.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So okay, So Thread, I played it in the uber brazenly. Okay,
because this is our text, Thread, I go, the derangement
around food, shame mixed with determined to get what I want.
Must discuss, okay, Okay. So then I go, I'm telling
you that I go. I just ordered two salads, steak,
and a charcuterie board.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, yumbo, I.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Said, yeah, okay, And then I'm explaining to you. So
basically I go, I go to the guy, I go,
you know, I think I'll also do the baby lettuce
salad because and I felt this need to like, explain,
because I'd already gotten too my main dish in my order,
and so I'm like whatever, I no, I was like
because and this is me fighting on this. I go
because I want to, because I finished the sentence like
(11:40):
that for the person and then and then he loved it.
He chuckled amiably. Right, It's like eleven o'clock. I'm sorry,
I'm in a hotel in Philadelphia, the main and then
he said, and I'm gonna add a salad? Is that
what was happening? So I've got I've ordered one salad. Okay,
I've ordered a charcuterie appetizer. Yeah, I've ordered the peppercorn steak, which, which,
by the way, is a skurd. The peppercorn in the
(12:01):
room service. It's always drenched in peppercorn. I gotta stop
trying to make steak happen at the hotel rooms a thing.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But it's so like drenched in peppercorn. It's so fucking
good bye. I'm already because I am going to jar.
Been popping with a quick jar. Okay, love jar, so
much as we know to say that, I'm pooh, by
the way, love jar. It's like we know, but I'm
going this week and Susan Tract who could be listening
right now? Oh my god, as we all know, the
leechy Martini is back on the menu at Jar because
of poog amazing. And she texted me and she was like,
(12:28):
when are you coming in for your god damn Martini?
Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And then you texted back see seeing me on text
to get me into this conversation we're going, Wait, you
didn't I have no connection to the chef at Jar independently.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I thought you were on the road, bitch. No being
invited to Jar and talking about being on the text
thread with the chef.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, this is you know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I need direct contact. I need to form my own relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So the point is, so it's post I'm starving, and
I'm like, I'm scared because I had two nights a
room service post show in this hotel. Okay, night one,
I order a caesar salad and a burger with no bun,
all right, and aside of spinach. Okay, and I think
that was it, and I eat it and I'm still starving.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, okay, I'm starving.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And so I go through this whole fucking thing of
how am I going to get take out past the
front desk?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Who knows like that I just ordered a full meal
and ate it. Oh no, you felt shame. I felt shame.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I also felt like I feel bad for them that
like they're gonna think like I was dissatisfied by their meal,
like okay, And and I'm this like woman who comes
down in the elevator like like scrambling towards the door
to try to intercept you know, my delivery. It's just
a whole thing. But I will not go hungry in
the night. I mean, are you fucking kidding? And room
(13:53):
service like ended, I think around eleven or something, so
which I continue to say, are you a hotel? Well,
if you don't serve hot food through the nut, I know,
I mean like literally what the hell?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Like you're disempowered. You're not because in your home you
can get In home, you can always get.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yes, And so to be in a hotel room starving
with nothing but a jar of jelly beans? Okay, as
though this is like as though it's to tide you
over till morning, like yeah, and when you know check
ins at four and like these are the food out
I just anyway. So so I end up going, I'm
in Philly. I'll order this cheese steak bundless case. It's
(14:36):
a series of bundlesss went up in the okay, and
I order it and I just fucking head down.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, you know, good girl.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The eleven fifteen alarm goes again and it's sitting there
and I get it and I bring it up and whatever. Fine,
so night too. I'm going I can't go through all
that again. I'm going to step up the order and
I order a salad. I order this charcutery appetizer. I
say aptizer because that's how they framed it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay. Then I order the steak.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I go not fucking around at night, and there's a
question of it was from cocktail happening, and they're okay again,
I'm posing that and I'm backing out and it's all
over the place, and the call, like just my desire
is laid bare, and there's this sort of chuckling voice
on the other end that I have, like, you know,
that's just everything I need in this moment.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Okay, it's just you know, how to justify it to me? Yeah,
totally sounds great, Okay, he said, he says those words, wow, okay,
and it sounds like it's going too far, but it
wasn't because because I mean, I he heard me go.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I mean, I you know what, I am gonna do
something crazy. I'm going to order another salad. Yeah, like
a second sound in addition, and it's a fucking salad
like you know, like whatever. But it's like because I'm
afraid it's gonna be there. They're like tender baby lettuce gems.
I'm like, if this is four leaves were fed and
I couldn't risk changing salads. The caesar was pretty hardy. Yeah,
(15:59):
if tonight I were baby jam and it was minuscule, right,
I go, I should have gotten the caesar.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So my only option was too So I go.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
He goes, you don't have to justify to me, and
I go, and then I whatever stake the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm like, that was great.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Then knock, knock, knock, and it opens the door, and
a face just reveals this is.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The man I was talking to. Okay, delivering the food.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, and I go, oh no, So the intimacy of
bringing one's food into one's room, okay, I can't believe
first of all, that it's even still like I think
that's gonna like they're gonna it's gonna go away, like
a murder shall happen, whatever it is, it's it's insane
that particularly a man is going to come into.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
My room, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I mean at eleven thirty PM and I'm there utterly vulnerable,
like nude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And when I was having the best twenty one days
when I was at the Ludlow. Yes, which, by the way,
I need the Ludlow people to hear this, and I'm
gonna send them this episode. So I had a someone
in the entertainment industry say to me going to New York,
I was going to stay at the Bowery, But should
I stay at the Ludlow. So I want to be clear,
the Bowery is a more expensive, more you know, high
(17:12):
level hotel. Because of the work we've done promoting the Ludlow,
they thought the Ludlow was preferred to the Bowery. Do
you hear what I'm saying? Yes, So this person for
whom money is not an object, was going to go, oh,
I guess I'll pivot to the lud Low. Wow. So
I'm just saying that now we're going to send in
the episode and the friendly rates, which they have been
(17:34):
lovely about. Yes, I want sky and lovely.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I was supposed to stay there this week and I
had to cancel. Yeah, oh my god, you're not gonn
believe what happened to me?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
What? No, it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But I booked a hotel somewhere and had to cancel,
and then forgot and didn't cancel.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
No, I don't know. I'm paid seven hundred dollars. Then
I can't get anyway, and I go, that's hard. Okay, Sorry, Sorry,
we love the lad Low, but I'm saying when I
was the Ludlow having the best time ever. Yes, and
you know the salad, they're unbelievable. The kale sun choke
salad with chicken, I got it with shrimp is exquisite.
(18:08):
But there were nights where I'd be fresh out of
the shower, pink cheeked, clinging the rope across my bare
breast and incomes the room service. And yeah, it's extremely intimate.
And also I was staying in a teeny room, so
it's like you open the door in the beds right there,
it's like just throw it just throw it right there. Yeah,
and everyone was lovely. It was fine, But it is
(18:28):
an intensely intimate exchange. And if you know the person,
you just had the breath of conversation on the phone
with wrestling with food, which is of course essential a
deeply sensual topic. You're talking about hunger, you're talking about shame, desire,
currently erotic taking something in and someone's saying, no, it's fine,
Let it happens. Surrender to your desires.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right, I mean, technically he could come in there and go,
you don't have to justify anything.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
To me, you know, or anyone in this world.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It just he looked at me with a familiarity. So
I realized, like I was anticipating someone else bringing it up.
And what I realized is I'm completely comfortable with both
of those intimacies happening independently I have, but combined just
too much. The reason I pulled up with text thread
(19:26):
is so I could talk about your whole thing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, here it is July jar Us. First of all, Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh, I texted you that, yes, okright, just all of
a sudden, you, is it possible that my hormones have
shifted or something horrible?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Has happened.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I am suddenly gaining weight, like I ate so clean
the last few days, because it's chronic. Ordinarily I would
feel that a skirt I wore a month ago is
too tight to wear? Or is it simple? I've gained
a few, like four pounds. I'm scared, and my pauses
are between individual texts right, so like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Like like four pounds.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm scared because I know my eating and I haven't
been going hard. You're scared some things quote wrong, You're
a jackass, CAPERLMP. I get so paranoid about stomach disorders. Ha, Jacqueline, Ha.
(20:27):
You like, suddenly I have an overproduction or underproduction of
some enzyme or some shit. Me, oh my god, you
wish Caperlin. That's probably not even five pounds, but it
feels awful. The skirt not fitting is rocking me. I go, huh, Caperlin,
(20:47):
dressing to go to a party and sad I wore
it a month ago. I looked at a calendar. Yeah,
I go, I mean you're minuscule. You have acres to
gain before it's meaningful noticeable.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Caberlan.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sure, But for me, me, I said to you, Caberlan,
it sucks okay me, oh eh, I mean you normally
stay the same with absolutely no conscious efforts to measure anything.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Okay, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'm saying to mean like anyway, and you go exactly
like I just stay okay, me, welcome to the world.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You barreling ahead and I can eat out and shit. Okay,
I go, welcome to my world. I go is my point?
And you? What the fuck? Though? Something has all caps changed?
Four question marks.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I go working out maybe yeah, like you know, your
hungry or something, right.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And I've had these stomach issues lately, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
What the fuck exactly that's the change. I go single, Yeah, Capril,
that's making me gain seven question marks?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay me no sex, food in place of sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I had months no sex is still thin? Interesting. Maybe
I go working out and becoming ravenous. You right, baking
the batch of brownies for example, m dash weird behavior.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Me.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Two thousand extra calories a week is like a pound? Okay,
you for dinners out next week? A house I'll become
Oh gee, really okay, that's easy. I've just gained a
few haha. Yes, my fear was slash. Is that it's
(22:53):
like com a medical an issue because I's so healthy,
last few days, no drinking, et cetera. Me four pounds
could be waterweight is micro you, I know, it's not significant.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Me.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Small people fluctuate like that in a day. The average
adults weight fluctuates up to five or six pounds per day.
That was a copy and paste from Google. That second fact,
by the way, you my waist is a square? Okay,
my waist is a square? And then no, way, I go, Yes,
do you weigh yourself a lot? Sounds like you gained
a few?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You're done? Can you never? You never weigh yourself? While
you do? Is arrive me?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay, anyway you go never ha ha ha, cackling, I go,
there's a reason other people measure in sixty two apps. Okay,
I'm like, cause it's nearly impossible to maintain weight unless
your life is super regimented in one exact way.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
If you gain thirty and truly don't know why? Okay,
you go, you go totally. It's actually so obvious.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
My show ended. It's that simple. Lol. Oh my god,
I'm like, yeah. People have a range of clothes looser
and fitter for this except mister Rogers who's obsessed with
mataining his weight at that number one twenty three or
whatever the love number is. Yeah, it's so funny. And
then this is Primo Caperlant. It just what's sad? Is?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I felt so good emotionally the last few days. I go,
it's not sad, which I'm just gonna lean into. Oh right,
earlier you said to me, you know, because I said, like,
but you were like I was thin, and I was like,
you were really stressed. You were like, yeah, I was
mentally ill and so thin and so like, I'm like,
you're mentally ill now too, he ha ha. I'm like,
(24:37):
you probably look better. You're like truth. Okay, And then
I go, I gotta work out. It's been a few days.
Mood is tanking more. Later, so I go off to
work out. I have a soaring workout with Tracy because
I'm back in La briefly. So I'm in here, I'm
with the heat, humanitates Heaven.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I come out of my workout, I see all caps
from caper Land. I'm moments from leaving house and the
button literally popped.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Off my top and I bent down. I go, haha,
send a pick you send this pick if you just
furious in front of a mirror with the bottom button
from your vest. Gone, yeah, bionic gym arriving. Apparently gonna
get hard on that. Okay, So this is this is
amazing and this and by the way, it's really interesting
(25:21):
because Jacqueline, as you know, I was like, we can't
even talk about this on POOD because it's like mega
like eating disorder trigger. I'm like, deeply fortunate I've never
struggled with an eating disorder. Aside, it's when I always
say just the baseline like body obsession anorexia that everyone
brought into this culture has, you know, yes, but it's
so it's just really I'm just it's so funny. And
(25:42):
my fear of a medical condition, that's the thing I
was worried. It wasn't even like I was truly I
was like, something is wrong, like I've got hormone and
balance like here it comes or something. So I'm reminded
of what Rihanna was saying about. She was like, there's
my tour body, there's my off tour body, there's my
you know, and it's like, oh yeah, of course, like
these fluctuations. And I started to worry. Truly, I was
like that something was wrong And these are micro fluctuations
(26:06):
due to obvious lifestyle changes that are fine and I
will never and again I don't want to scale. I
don't play that game, right, but we all know that
I feel like it's a deeply human just when the
pants that were that felt like heaven and suddenly they're
painful and it feels unmanageable.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, so the thing is, like, what I think you
and me enjoy and are sharing here is sisterly intimacy. Yes,
the freedom with the close friend to not speak the language.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Of the culture, you know what I mean, no, completely,
and to be able And again I'm not truly thank god,
I'm not like truly struggling. Right, this isn't like but no,
it's the sisterly me being able to send you a
picture of my ass and to not just fall into
this hyper surveillance controlled language of yeah, well this is
damaging and women shouldn't talk about their bodies this way
and we shouldn't. It's like, no, it's completely okay to
(26:58):
be like my skirts, I want to throw myself off
the deck. That's just you know, to try to somehow
suggest that that those emotions should be eliminated or somehow
like it's just like go to hell. It's like we're strong,
Like it's like it's okay. If we can feel those things,
then also be fine. Yeah, and I would argue expressing
them and being able to laugh uncontrollably at one madness
(27:19):
and at the sickness. Yes, is deeply to use this
overused word healing, but it is. Yeah anyway, and I'm
so and I'm so grateful to you because you freed
me and it was great, and then like everything is
is totally is totally great. Well to just go on
the path with like two.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
To me, it's sort of similar, like like I guess,
I guess what it is is like the intimacy of
bitching about your problems with a friend, and those problems
are small personal like it's like with the friend, you
can drop all of that. Well of course we know
that you know this is all whatever. You know what
I mean, Like you just drop the fucking shit and
(27:59):
get real Like so would be like you could say
to the friend that you're devastated about something that like
it'd be like, you know, I have a pimple, I'm
a fucking like hog. You know what I mean, Like
I'm disgusting, I don't deserve like to live or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Whoever.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And it's like it wouldn't be like, well, wow, what
you're saying, have your health you have? It's really offensive
to all women of course. Yeah, whatever, it's so, And
it's like to get real and into the specific problems
of your friend, whatever that friend's problems are. Like if
that friend's problems are like, you know, whatever, their yacht
got scratched, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Know, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It's like you go on the emotional journey with the
friend because that's their world, and it would be disgusting
not to.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, exactly scratch on the yacht greater perspective, but yeah,
mourning the scratch on the yacht. It's like the person
still needs a friend or a close confidence to go fuck.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And because because it's like it's like the dramas that
are playing out in any given life are the dramas
of that day, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I'm not And I'm like, thank god, I'm not.
When I'm texting all this, I'm not truly beside myself,
right this is but that is it's a yeah, it's
a beautiful intimacy to share and the freedom from being
medical because truly, even still, I'm like, I was like,
looking at the calendar, I was like, oh, this is
going to be like this is the week that like something.
I had some horrible like stomach acid shift, and then
my life was permanently changed, and I was scared. Here's
(29:22):
why I was really scared because as we know, I
have zero dietary I have no allergens or restrictions.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You've been unable to locate a dietary restriction despite it.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Exactly unable to locate. And I'm like, and I've always
been so grateful that I can really eat anything and
feel fine, like I really don't. And so I was like,
oh my god, is it starting? Is this going to
be the fucking turning point where it's like, oh, actually,
if I eat a lot of gluten, then I'm really struggling.
It's like I can't live like that. So that was
(29:51):
a lot of my concern. I was like, because I
don't restrict and I don't have dietary like inflammation like points,
I was like, Oh, no, is this is it now?
I'm now joining that joining Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Oh I can't like we knew the pimple being like, oh,
I have to think about like hurrying to wash my
face after my workout, Like.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What, So we all know I was making the deep chocolate.
What was I call moon dreams? God bless the moon juice.
(30:35):
Moon Juice makes my favorite chia pudding. I'll say I
went and got some yesterday. It's unboo old chia pudding.
And also, if you if you happen to be near
a moon Juice location, they have happy hour every day
you can go get a green juice for like half
off because it's going to expire the next day. Pick
me up. There's one not that far. Isn't that fabulous
you can get Yesterday I got a beautiful green juice
(30:56):
for like I don't know five bucks fucking rules anyway.
So something that I made this is months ago. I
saw this. I didn't even know where I was looking.
I saw this article called the Life Changing Loaf of Bread,
and then it had this picture of a beautiful, rustic
looking loaf that's made with seeds nuts. You know, it's
(31:17):
like a no kneed kind of bread. You don't have
to need it. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking
make it so I did no. So I'm here to
say it's fucking beautiful. I will be posting the recipe
on poog, of course, along with photos of myself making it.
Now listen to me, I'm gonna read you the ingredients.
So you put in some flower seeds, flax seeds, hazel
nuts or almonds or any nut, some oats, some cheese seeds,
(31:39):
cilium husk, some salt, one tablespoon of maple syrup. You
do some melted coconut oil or gee, that's all. You
mix it in a loaf pan. You put it in
the fucking oven. It's so simple, and I have to
say rustic, gorgeous, high fiber heigh nutrition. I knew that's
me your concern. A cup and a half of any oats.
(32:03):
I mean this says rolled oats.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah right, okay, so oats oats like those quick I
did a glyphos It interesting. You gotta be careful when
you bake with silium husk, if I am correct. Really
it can turn things purple if you don't get the
right kind or something.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
This is like an old cano thing. Huh huh. Well
I use silium husk powder. But I just want to
say I'm gonna post photos of the bread. I'm probably
now going to make this bread for the rest of
my life, I instantly flashed to myself in my eighties. Yeah,
a consistency across all live and it's really beautiful. And
you know, I have some in the freezer. I've been
enjoying it in the morning with some avocado and it
(32:38):
absolutely sublime, beautiful and makes you feel like you're in
the Renaissance. Girl with the Pearl earring level Yeah, Vermire,
instantly Vermire light pouring through.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I read that book that that like historical fiction book.
Oh right, it was. The Girl with the Pearl Lane
was also the name of the book based on Look
at me blasting my nose leemar intrigued, very cool.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I'm blasting under the eye, continuing to twitch. If my
eye is twitching tomorrow, I'm texting my doctor. I decided,
you're pathetic, jacolate. It's been a month, a month of
under the eye flutter, not a twitch, a flutter under
the eye involuntary spasms for a month. I mean, what
all day, every day, not all day, but consistently throughout
the day. The last time I remember I had an
(33:22):
eye twitch that wasn't like this because they do say
stress can bring it on. They sure do. And sure
there's been emotional stresses of course. And I remember the
last time. Not to be too hollywood about it, but
I had an eye twitch leading up to when I
was taping my special in twenty nineteen. Yeah, and I
was like, Okay, well, I guess there is like emotional
stress that's causing this like that I may be Oh, yeah,
I'm not fully You know what's fascinating that we actually
(33:45):
do have a subconscious. This is what I'm starting to realize.
You could text your daughter get off a caavia. No,
just that my brazen attitudes that I know myself like
shadow stuff subconscious, I know it, O, Kate. There are
things that you do that you actually cannot understand. The
arrogance of my belief that I somehow have knowledge of
my own subconscious and this is what my life is
(34:06):
about right now. Was actually minding that material like the
eye twitch right, Oh, there could be subconscious There could
be material that I'm sifting through on the level that
I can't consciously acknowledge. And my brazen attitude that I
know what's going on. No, no, no, that I know by
knowing the words subconscious. Yeah, you think because you sign
(34:27):
up for Jungian okay therapy, and you think because you're
familiar and accept the fact that like, yeah, this is
the thing.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
You're like, well, clearly it's an unconscious Like clearly it's
my unconscious or my subconscious desire to That was like
the Freud Young distinction. I think Freud said unconscious, you
said subconscious. I think because it's like down there and
it's conscious. It's not conscious, it's just sub this this consciousness.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Right. But it was like like yeah, like we always
think like oops, that was clearly like a clearly unconscious way.
I was like, didn't want him to come out and
how you know, and it's like you knew you didn't
want to go over like like if it's.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Truly the shadow, you cannot see that which you do
not wish to see, You do not see so exactly.
I mean, the only dignity around that is technowledge that
there's unconscious stuff. The moment that you try to go
like I know what it is, and here's what it is,
You've made yourself a fool because you're doing what cannot
be done.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
No, and I've lived I've operated in that. I've been like, no,
I know the issues, I know the stuff, I know
the shadow stuff, I know the stuff lurking, and it's
like we move through our lives and there is shit
that we fucking cannot see. That is our behavior is
structured around. It's fascinating. Anyways, I'm trying to kind of
get into that stuff, and the eye twitch could be
due to subconscious material that I have not allowed to
(35:46):
surface to the conscious.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I dreamt of an owl. Ooh, yeah, this is good
because I think it head.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Are you ready? Third eye? Ooh, my dreams have been
I'm journaling now in the morning. There's so much longer,
the density of the dreams.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Interesting anywhere, Yeah, no, I just I wanted to say,
I'm going to have to. So my lima almost went
missing six times during this trip, and I've decided I
cannot fuck.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Around with the sticker on it. I see interesting. I
guess I just want to preserve the feeling of it
being new.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Maybe I should take it off so no one fucking
steals it, see is what it is. I just found
it this morning outside, like I left it there because
I try to bring it with me everywhere, so I go,
I go, I'm going to outside for FRS. Might as
well grab the lima, you know, like I do that.
So I find it under my patio table lying there,
and I have to get serious about this. I'm sure
(36:42):
I've brought this up before, but with all of my
devices or small items, I'm going to get a huge
feather boa and a bright collar, and I'm going to glue.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It to the edge the lima.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
So, for example, the Lima will have a five foot
feather boa attached to it.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Got it. My phone needs to never lose it, never
lose it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I need to be able to glance across a room
and have a huge, bright color. I cannot operate with
small items like this. Yeah, I got off. I got
off the plane. I decided to do one of those
like quick checks, okay, like just glance back at my
seat to see if there was anything left by black
pouch with every hard drive of everything I've ever digitized
(37:23):
in my life. Yeah, yeah, the contents of every computer.
And it was there, and I grabbed it. Oh my god,
because I decided I was going to go through all
footage on a single plane ride. Oh Christ, So feather
boa for the community. I thought that was a huge tip.
Oh yeah, phone boa.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh my neck has gone. My neck is gone. I've
decided it's hit. JOCKN texting me today the neck is gone,
and I said, no, there's just no way to really
protect it. The skin is too fucking thin down there.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah. Oh there's more.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I'm not a fucking serious product. I have new serious product.
Rabid interests right now? What Okay, let's see. So it
was on Violet Grands.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
By the way, you were going to report back about
the stem cells that you're using topically and that you
like them and I want them now. Well, I sent
you a couple of photos throughout the week going through
It looked airbrush at the airport. When a product works,
I twitching beyond it is shocking, shocking when it is
a notable difference, a notable Now, I'm not just talking
about the difference between like my skin before moisturizer and
(38:33):
after it ten minutes later, which I hate nothing more
than when you're reading the skincare promises and it says,
you know, eighty five percent of users felt skin looked
more hydrated, plump and dah da dad, And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
after they put it on, you know what I mean,
Like literally after they put it on, I'm like that
accounts It's like wait, so wait but Jacqueline Jacqueline. Yeah,
I need the stem cells.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean before I go down the path, I need
to do a little research about there's plant stem cells.
So it's a question are those anything the plants plant based?
Do I have to go down this thing of you know, Okay,
they get them from the sheep that they're taking the
wolf from, and a lot of people think the wool
industry itself is fucked. So just the fact that they're
(39:15):
these wool sheep that that after.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
They died or whatever, you know. I don't know, I
don't know. I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
All I know is the material that I got, the
serum I got at my facialist that was said to
be stem cell. I used it throughout the week and
it's doing something. I noticed that b R has one.
It says placenta.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I'm sure to see results in a week. Yeah, whoa,
that is not it.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I put it in the mini bar fridge when I'd
arrive at a hotel, the serum and then this rosewater
serum like mix, and I'd leave it in there, so
it's nice and cool and apparently like you know, you're
not supposed to get it super hot. It's like kind
of like an item you'd ideally refer but obviously you're
(40:01):
going to travel with it.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Whatever you're reminding me, I need to buy more sheet
masks for travel to have it in the fridge. Nothing better. Yeah,
tucking it into the mini bar. That is the ultimate,
by the way, because I'm going to be traveling, yeah
for about a month, not bringing the lima already decided
not doing that, not bringing my Zoe, Like it's not
what it's about, no, because it's it's like, okay, like
twenty one days, like no, no, I'm not gonna and
(40:24):
I'm trying to really be diligent about not packing to heavy.
You know what's coming. Goasha into some sheet masks and
then I'll just do it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
I heard from someone that they went to Kosha Spa
based on us talking about it on poog and I
was like what because I can't get an appointment.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Okay, you know, like I just want to go, and
they said it was amazing. Yeah. I looked.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I tried to get an appointment, like put in your
date and then it's like today tomorrow and nothing, nothing,
nothing nothing nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I want it, I need. I'm going to go to
face gym to collect that free facial soon. I booked
a facial with Sunday Skincare in New York, whom I love. Really,
micro current.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You just keep texting me the word micro current recently.
Why are you so convinced that's it?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So? I used to do micro current religiously every four weeks.
The pandemic with LRI pandemic ended everything right, and my
mother also religious micro current, But how often would you
be doing it? Once every couple months, once a month,
every four weeks. Boom.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I just think if it's stimulating muscle, I don't know.
I just think zipping every day for three minutes.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I don't think prould be well interesting as Yeah, I
got to get the zip back out. The zip is real.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Like to me, that's like working out once a month,
working out really hard once.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
No, I think it's real. I think it really every
two weeks. I think the most I saw who was it,
I think it's Lacy Phillips. I saw her being like,
I get micro current every two weeks, and I was like, well, damn,
that's a luxury. That's nice. You sent me something with
the tens pads like you sent me like a bionic
jim face thing that looked interesting. It was like bionic
(41:56):
gym for the face. Oh yeah, M face. Yeah, And
I was like, how do we get I actually I
messaged them and I said, could Jacqueline Novak and I
come in for M face and we'll discuss it on
the on the podcast. Oh my god, Let's see if
they responded. Can you imagine if they had? Well, I
think we might devastate.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Take a trip to our old friends at cl SPA
where they have biology sharish products. I might try to
get back in there. They treated us very well. I
really enjoyed the BR facial. Did you get the facial
that day?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Oh? Yeah. We went and they laid down like that.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Cheese cloth on your face, and then they paint this
mask on the BR mask and then it sort of
sets and then they lift it off, like by lifting
off the cheese cloth.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Kind of right? Does that not ring familiar? I don't know,
not exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
There's salce in my blankets. Finally happened my white throat
that I use on my couch. You spilled, yeah, last night. Yeah,
the darkest sauce that you could imagine, just peppers that
have just the darkest peppers ground into them, and and mmm,
and it just I'm still never so happy as I
(43:08):
am when it's time to eat Mutch TV.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
It just continues. It's the gift that keeps on giving
the best. And then like, what else am I I've
been adding something else? Magnesium I've been doing? Oh yeah,
colostrum I started yesterday. Can thence convince it'll save the
neck in your mouth or on your face in the
mouth supplement? Yeah, that's how they were pitching it. And
(43:32):
Lima does have a supplement that we would like to try.
Didn't they say they were going to send the supplement? Yeah,
and yet mailbox empty? Interesting this morning. Certainly let this
be a warning.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh you know, it's you know what I paid to
get my teeth whitened in office and then follow up
each day with like ten days of doing it.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, how's the pain? I literally like.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Couldn't take it. And so I'm sitting here with my
ten day kit, which you're supposed to use immediately because
of the pain, because of the sensitivity and the zingers.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh, I just terrible. I hate it. I hate the
feeling you can't do that, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I don't know, it's just gonna have to be the
teeth are with the teeth are maybe what teeth are
with the teeth? Why the hell isn't there a little
paint on a little paint on white white tooth like
make up for the tooth white out. Yeah, that even
just lasts a single night. I know they have like
occasionally see like their like teeth.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Right. Wait, this is reminded me. I had a friend
who I watched her get ready one night and she
brushed her teeth with a special toothpaste that turns your
mouth like black. And it's supposed to offer like a
temporary white. But it's not charcoal. I'm gonna find out
it's not the charcoal toothpaste. It's charcoal, but it's something else.
It's like, okay, interesting, it's more medical really, and it
does it for the night. Yeah, it's like not promising
(44:45):
long lasting results.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Right, because we shouldn't have to drink coffee through a straw.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Of course, you know they're like, don't eat anything that
stains your teeth, like blueberries or coffee.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And I'm like well, there goes my life. Yeah. Absolutely,
I'm not giving up blueberries for that. Okay, we gotta go,
all right, love you, okay, I love you. That was food.
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The din of Vancouver Hags who will join me at
what many have called my spiritual and artistic wedding in
New York City at Town Hall June eighth and ninth.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
For the taping of Get on Your Knees.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Fact that this is not an actual, that we are
not sponsored by Lima. I'm lemoing at the moment. Wait,
this is like Coca Cola. Yeah, go get yours. This
is insane American idol drink drinking Coca Cola, and.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Coke was paying for that. Make no mistake, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Just laughing imagining if I thought people were ignorant to
the fact that Coke was paying for that.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh ah, oh okay, hello, she's injured. Sorry, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I was just laughing with myself and any eavesdroppers that
this is like an American idol.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The judges have the cups of coke. You know, I
don't know, I've never seen. You'd love it, Honestly, I'm
sure you'd love it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Watching them audition and the whole thing and someone comes
in and it's like how it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Got spooked by Like when they have like the crazy
person audition. Yeah, you know what I mean? And everyone
is so fake, like the producers. It feels weird. Yeah,
everyone's like anyway, wait, my marionettelines have gotten out of control.
Look at the Marry nettlines. I can't low your low
res kate. Fuck, I blame your internet connection. What have
(01:35):
you done? Did you writhe and dance your way across
the router? Something has been weird with my internet for
months and I just choose to ignore it. Well, wait,
you will have to make that a day. All right,
let's launch in because there's a lot to say. There's
a lot to say. I have a lot to say too.
We are leameing and no one's paying. Well they paid,
meaning they sent us to Lima's and I fell off.
Yesterday I was feeling like wait, I was like, my
(01:55):
face is something's happening? So I was like, you need
to zip. So yesterday I did a zip. Wow, I did.
I've been doing the Dennis Gross light mask quite really.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I did it last night and I smashed my toe
because I tried to live my life while.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Ware Oh no, no, I just lay on my back. Yeah,
if you don't strap it on, I use it as
a three minute meditation. Well, I strapped it on and
was like, I guess because it has eye holes. In
my mind, that means I'm supposed to live your life
with it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But it's actually just because they're trying not to blast
the eye eyeballs, although I wouldn't mind a little. I know,
red light right in the eyebright through the eyes, which
is to be good. Go on, speak of your device
and speak of what's happening. Were to say it's today,
it's a lot to say.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, so well, first of all, I'm having This is
when an AD works well. By the way, yeah, it's
always work, as we know. But I woke up looking
at Instagram, of course because I've relapsed. As we all know.
I was served a Sakara ad of the metabolism chocolate powder,
and there was a woman that you have it. Well,
(02:57):
let me finish. I look at the ad. I look
at the ad, I see a woman blending it into
her coffee. I go fuck, and I go, okay, you
have it. I run to the kitchen, nude, as usual,
find the sachets blended Here's what I did. I blended
the sakara metabolaum and catter into my milk, no honey,
(03:22):
into my no although I had been making my own
walnut milk no into my Elmhurst cash and milk. And
then I poured that into my coffee. WHOA wow, really nice. Yeah,
it was good. It's very strong cocao because it's not sweetened.
It's like barely there's one grim of sugar in the
powder in the cichet, so it's like it's not a
(03:42):
sweet thing.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I've been brutalized by that powder before, Like I
like put it a little too eagerly into something.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Of the tree. It's not a tree. It was just
gonna be nothing. I like cocow though, what Okay, you
know what happened to me? This is where you're so
deep into the thing. So I'm sit there on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I don't say like I relapsed, because I haven't pretended to,
you know whatever. I say an ad for the colostrum
and they show a photo that is just like, Okay,
here's a hag on the left and he's a gorgeous got.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Us on the right, the same woman. Only difference. Colostrum yea.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But I'm like, I'm in okay, I'm like, I need
to order this, and then I'm like, something about this
feels familiar.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Go to the kitchen. There it is now. I don't
know if they sent it. I ordered it before it's
called like arm rah, I may have just been served
it and bought it. And then I want a well
there have been there's been a lot in my house.
So so I was experiencing stomach pain, bloating discomfort, texting
(04:45):
Jacqueline something's wrong, Like I was like, like my jeans
were like almost my jeans were okay, we've all been
through this, right, your jeans you washed them and then
they're so tight, which is a detail Jackel I didn't
share with you. My jeans have been washed a really tight.
You're a fool nobody that you gained well. I was
(05:06):
like whoa and they were really tight. It was making
me upset. I was like, well, this is what happened
you to break them back in, you have to wash
your genes okay, and so, but I was having some
stomach issues. I was like or like, by the way,
when you say stomach issues, here's what people think diarrhea, shitting, okay,
And I just want to say, that's not what it is.
When I say stomach issues, this is it's like anyway,
(05:27):
And so I bought out of pocket. This has been
served to me on Instagram and such array A R
R A E. Bloat pills like digestive whatever the fuck
they're supposed to take after you eat. And so I'm
experimenting with that. I purchased that at Arawan. We're looking
at forty bucks. We'll see. And then I met. I
told you I would bloat, I know. And then I
(05:49):
told you already I bought the ah collegen or I
was playing with that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I'm almost tempted, was tempted to just do a dramatic
rate of art. Deech speak, Sure to do it. I
know there might be stuff that we need cut after.
Let's just go for it anyway, you're ready, Yeah, oh,
this is pretty good from a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Wait, well I sent you a photo of my ass.
Oh yeah, that was that. Feels like we I was
pouring through the airport. A man caught it. Okay, yeah no,
but I just see this thing. Well, I have two
things to say. Remind me well, actually the TEXTUD will
keep me on chain.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Okay, I just want to say, can I just tell
you about ordering food at the hotel really quick?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Please please come back. That's what poog is for.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So because I see in here there was this text exchange. Okay,
oh yeah, okay. First of all, I go I played
Poog brazen ly in the uber. Frankly, I can't believe
it or I ever loved it. Oh my god, I
love it. Okay, my headphones died. I needed to check
equality of the app. And he was loving.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It well, Jacqueline Jacline audibly laughing. See this is what
I'm talking about. I will never forget. I know I
told you this. Sorry I did interrupt. But when I
was doing my was doing a show workshop in La.
At my show, I see like four like young kind
of bros, like skatery, like they're like twenty one, twenty two,
like straight guys like and I was like, god, whoa.
(07:13):
And then one of them after was like I love
he was He's like I love Poog. No, he was
like you get me through my Grubhub deliveries, like what,
I love it? And this is like a twenty two
year old, Like I was like, are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Me.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
This almost fell to my knees. And no, it was
so beautiful. This is when America's I was. I was like,
I was like, this is when I could not believe
it to think and if he's listening now, you have
no idea what that did for me, what this is
doing for me?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I mean, I don't you know there is Please know
that if you are the targeted classique okay, poog listener,
of course you are beloved, you love you, and we're
a fan of the masses that I required. Okay, But
the rogue, the unexpected listener, the truck driver I can
continue returned to and fetishize. Okay, of course out there
(08:03):
on the road bump bump, bump, okay, stopping anyway, So okay, Hi,
I'm sorry, so I go frankly.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
He loved it. And even when he wasn't laughing, you know,
and from behind you can.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
See someone's cheeks like enough, from like a back angle,
you can fully see it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It was lifted. It was the cheeks were erected skyward. Okay. Yeah,
and and just cackling. Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was like it was like the best And yes,
I said, it's my podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I won't lie. Yes, of course you have to. I'm
soaring and I had to.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And at the end, like you know, and I was
like also doing this like I'm sorry, this is so whatever,
like sorry, but and then I was like I'm so
worried for him that I was going to get out
of the the it was Lyft. It was Lyft and
actually told me explicitly how Lyft is. It's it's not
just pink. It is better for the drivers by a
thousand million things. It's real really go lift based on
(09:00):
my driver, Like yeah, Uber, like you know, do you
remember that right?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like you remember it was like lifts. I remember I
made the chance the permanent transfer to Lyft, but I
know lift is still hell. But yeah, I guess, well
that was the thing. I was like.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It was one of those things that almost became like
and so like actually another bout how like a books
is owned by.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Amazon or whenever, it was one of those and I've
heard you all be like apologies, Yeah, we're going to
find the weeping true a dependent online bookseller. I think
there's one called like fuck, I can't remember, got your
local bookstore, have them order it for you. Yes, it's
called how to Weep in Public? You know, it's the urgency,
(09:36):
the urgency, the convenience. It's like, very rarely do we
truly need the book the next day, right, You're like,
I want to read it now, totally. The bookstore order
it for you.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Wait, okay, and then you get to have another trip
into the store, and and you get to go next
time I come. Because if you're at the books sore,
you go next time I come. I'm gonna go to
the cheese shop next door. You see what I'm saying.
You get to plan the next trip. I'm saying that
because there was a cheese shop right next to the
bookstore in the town I grew up. Can you imagine
a cheese shop? I mean beautiful, Not that those don't exist,
(10:04):
they do, but so okay, hold on, take me back.
So she was talking about the driver and listen.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So I'm like, and I'm so worried that he was
gonna I was gonna leave the lift and he was
gonna my name was instantly going to disappear from the
you know, account for security.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You'd never find poo, you'd never know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And so I literally was like, uh, are you familiar
with goop?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, okay, love it. Yeah. I was like, like, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I had to barrow forward because we were only thirty
seven T minus thirty from me getting out of the car.
And so the group Gwyneth Paltrow was like, we're sort
of like literally I went with that pitch.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Just to get the name. Yeah, Like I was like,
so we're poog screaming. I mean I was. It was
after a show, Yeah, of course, okay, yeah, goop backwards
poop you know. I was like, he'll never be able
to find it. My name has disappeared. Whatever. So I
was worried before him, but take me back.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So okay, So Thread, I played it in the uber brazenly. Okay,
because this is our text, Thread, I go, the derangement
around food, shame mixed with determined to get what I want.
Must discuss, okay, Okay. So then I go, I'm telling
you that I go. I just ordered two salads, steak,
and a charcuterie board.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, yumbo, I.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Said, yeah, okay, And then I'm explaining to you. So
basically I go, I go to the guy, I go,
you know, I think I'll also do the baby lettuce
salad because and I felt this need to like, explain,
because I'd already gotten too my main dish in my order,
and so I'm like whatever, I no, I was like
because and this is me fighting on this. I go
because I want to, because I finished the sentence like
(11:40):
that for the person and then and then he loved it.
He chuckled amiably. Right, It's like eleven o'clock. I'm sorry,
I'm in a hotel in Philadelphia, the main and then
he said, and I'm gonna add a salad? Is that
what was happening? So I've got I've ordered one salad. Okay,
I've ordered a charcuterie appetizer. Yeah, I've ordered the peppercorn steak, which, which,
by the way, is a skurd. The peppercorn in the
(12:01):
room service. It's always drenched in peppercorn. I gotta stop
trying to make steak happen at the hotel rooms a thing.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But it's so like drenched in peppercorn. It's so fucking
good bye. I'm already because I am going to jar.
Been popping with a quick jar. Okay, love jar, so
much as we know to say that, I'm pooh, by
the way, love jar. It's like we know, but I'm
going this week and Susan Tract who could be listening
right now? Oh my god, as we all know, the
leechy Martini is back on the menu at Jar because
of poog amazing. And she texted me and she was like,
(12:28):
when are you coming in for your god damn Martini?
Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And then you texted back see seeing me on text
to get me into this conversation we're going, Wait, you
didn't I have no connection to the chef at Jar independently.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I thought you were on the road, bitch. No being
invited to Jar and talking about being on the text
thread with the chef.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, this is you know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I need direct contact. I need to form my own relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So the point is, so it's post I'm starving, and
I'm like, I'm scared because I had two nights a
room service post show in this hotel. Okay, night one,
I order a caesar salad and a burger with no bun,
all right, and aside of spinach. Okay, and I think
that was it, and I eat it and I'm still starving.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, okay, I'm starving.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And so I go through this whole fucking thing of
how am I going to get take out past the
front desk?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Who knows like that I just ordered a full meal
and ate it. Oh no, you felt shame. I felt shame.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I also felt like I feel bad for them that
like they're gonna think like I was dissatisfied by their meal,
like okay, And and I'm this like woman who comes
down in the elevator like like scrambling towards the door
to try to intercept you know, my delivery. It's just
a whole thing. But I will not go hungry in
the night. I mean, are you fucking kidding? And room
(13:53):
service like ended, I think around eleven or something, so
which I continue to say, are you a hotel? Well,
if you don't serve hot food through the nut, I know,
I mean like literally what the hell?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Like you're disempowered. You're not because in your home you
can get In home, you can always get.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yes, And so to be in a hotel room starving
with nothing but a jar of jelly beans? Okay, as
though this is like as though it's to tide you
over till morning, like yeah, and when you know check
ins at four and like these are the food out
I just anyway. So so I end up going, I'm
in Philly. I'll order this cheese steak bundless case. It's
(14:36):
a series of bundlesss went up in the okay, and
I order it and I just fucking head down.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, you know, good girl.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The eleven fifteen alarm goes again and it's sitting there
and I get it and I bring it up and whatever. Fine,
so night too. I'm going I can't go through all
that again. I'm going to step up the order and
I order a salad. I order this charcutery appetizer. I
say aptizer because that's how they framed it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay. Then I order the steak.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I go not fucking around at night, and there's a
question of it was from cocktail happening, and they're okay again,
I'm posing that and I'm backing out and it's all
over the place, and the call, like just my desire
is laid bare, and there's this sort of chuckling voice
on the other end that I have, like, you know,
that's just everything I need in this moment.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Okay, it's just you know, how to justify it to me? Yeah,
totally sounds great, Okay, he said, he says those words, wow, okay,
and it sounds like it's going too far, but it
wasn't because because I mean, I he heard me go.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I mean, I you know what, I am gonna do
something crazy. I'm going to order another salad. Yeah, like
a second sound in addition, and it's a fucking salad
like you know, like whatever. But it's like because I'm
afraid it's gonna be there. They're like tender baby lettuce gems.
I'm like, if this is four leaves were fed and
I couldn't risk changing salads. The caesar was pretty hardy. Yeah,
(15:59):
if tonight I were baby jam and it was minuscule, right,
I go, I should have gotten the caesar.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So my only option was too So I go.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
He goes, you don't have to justify to me, and
I go, and then I whatever stake the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm like, that was great.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Then knock, knock, knock, and it opens the door, and
a face just reveals this is.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The man I was talking to. Okay, delivering the food.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, and I go, oh no, So the intimacy of
bringing one's food into one's room, okay, I can't believe
first of all, that it's even still like I think
that's gonna like they're gonna it's gonna go away, like
a murder shall happen, whatever it is, it's it's insane
that particularly a man is going to come into.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
My room, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I mean at eleven thirty PM and I'm there utterly vulnerable,
like nude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And when I was having the best twenty one days
when I was at the Ludlow. Yes, which, by the way,
I need the Ludlow people to hear this, and I'm
gonna send them this episode. So I had a someone
in the entertainment industry say to me going to New York,
I was going to stay at the Bowery, But should
I stay at the Ludlow. So I want to be clear,
the Bowery is a more expensive, more you know, high
(17:12):
level hotel. Because of the work we've done promoting the Ludlow,
they thought the Ludlow was preferred to the Bowery. Do
you hear what I'm saying? Yes, So this person for
whom money is not an object, was going to go, oh,
I guess I'll pivot to the lud Low. Wow. So
I'm just saying that now we're going to send in
the episode and the friendly rates, which they have been
(17:34):
lovely about. Yes, I want sky and lovely.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I was supposed to stay there this week and I
had to cancel. Yeah, oh my god, you're not gonn
believe what happened to me?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
What? No, it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But I booked a hotel somewhere and had to cancel,
and then forgot and didn't cancel.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
No, I don't know. I'm paid seven hundred dollars. Then
I can't get anyway, and I go, that's hard. Okay, Sorry, Sorry,
we love the lad Low, but I'm saying when I
was the Ludlow having the best time ever. Yes, and
you know the salad, they're unbelievable. The kale sun choke
salad with chicken, I got it with shrimp is exquisite.
(18:08):
But there were nights where I'd be fresh out of
the shower, pink cheeked, clinging the rope across my bare
breast and incomes the room service. And yeah, it's extremely intimate.
And also I was staying in a teeny room, so
it's like you open the door in the beds right there,
it's like just throw it just throw it right there. Yeah,
and everyone was lovely. It was fine, But it is
(18:28):
an intensely intimate exchange. And if you know the person,
you just had the breath of conversation on the phone
with wrestling with food, which is of course essential a
deeply sensual topic. You're talking about hunger, you're talking about shame, desire,
currently erotic taking something in and someone's saying, no, it's fine,
Let it happens. Surrender to your desires.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right, I mean, technically he could come in there and go,
you don't have to justify anything.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
To me, you know, or anyone in this world.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It just he looked at me with a familiarity. So
I realized, like I was anticipating someone else bringing it up.
And what I realized is I'm completely comfortable with both
of those intimacies happening independently I have, but combined just
too much. The reason I pulled up with text thread
(19:26):
is so I could talk about your whole thing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, here it is July jar Us. First of all, Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh, I texted you that, yes, okright, just all of
a sudden, you, is it possible that my hormones have
shifted or something horrible?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Has happened.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I am suddenly gaining weight, like I ate so clean
the last few days, because it's chronic. Ordinarily I would
feel that a skirt I wore a month ago is
too tight to wear? Or is it simple? I've gained
a few, like four pounds. I'm scared, and my pauses
are between individual texts right, so like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Like like four pounds.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm scared because I know my eating and I haven't
been going hard. You're scared some things quote wrong, You're
a jackass, CAPERLMP. I get so paranoid about stomach disorders. Ha, Jacqueline, Ha.
(20:27):
You like, suddenly I have an overproduction or underproduction of
some enzyme or some shit. Me, oh my god, you
wish Caperlin. That's probably not even five pounds, but it
feels awful. The skirt not fitting is rocking me. I go, huh, Caperlin,
(20:47):
dressing to go to a party and sad I wore
it a month ago. I looked at a calendar. Yeah,
I go, I mean you're minuscule. You have acres to
gain before it's meaningful noticeable.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Caberlan.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sure, But for me, me, I said to you, Caberlan,
it sucks okay me, oh eh, I mean you normally
stay the same with absolutely no conscious efforts to measure anything.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Okay, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'm saying to mean like anyway, and you go exactly
like I just stay okay, me, welcome to the world.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
You barreling ahead and I can eat out and shit. Okay,
I go, welcome to my world. I go is my point?
And you? What the fuck? Though? Something has all caps changed?
Four question marks.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I go working out maybe yeah, like you know, your
hungry or something, right.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And I've had these stomach issues lately, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
What the fuck exactly that's the change. I go single, Yeah, Capril,
that's making me gain seven question marks?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay me no sex, food in place of sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I had months no sex is still thin? Interesting. Maybe
I go working out and becoming ravenous. You right, baking
the batch of brownies for example, m dash weird behavior.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Me.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Two thousand extra calories a week is like a pound? Okay,
you for dinners out next week? A house I'll become
Oh gee, really okay, that's easy. I've just gained a
few haha. Yes, my fear was slash. Is that it's
(22:53):
like com a medical an issue because I's so healthy,
last few days, no drinking, et cetera. Me four pounds
could be waterweight is micro you, I know, it's not significant.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Me.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Small people fluctuate like that in a day. The average
adults weight fluctuates up to five or six pounds per day.
That was a copy and paste from Google. That second fact,
by the way, you my waist is a square? Okay,
my waist is a square? And then no, way, I go, Yes,
do you weigh yourself a lot? Sounds like you gained
a few?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You're done? Can you never? You never weigh yourself? While
you do? Is arrive me?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay, anyway you go never ha ha ha, cackling, I go,
there's a reason other people measure in sixty two apps. Okay,
I'm like, cause it's nearly impossible to maintain weight unless
your life is super regimented in one exact way.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
If you gain thirty and truly don't know why? Okay,
you go, you go totally. It's actually so obvious.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
My show ended. It's that simple. Lol. Oh my god,
I'm like, yeah. People have a range of clothes looser
and fitter for this except mister Rogers who's obsessed with
mataining his weight at that number one twenty three or
whatever the love number is. Yeah, it's so funny. And
then this is Primo Caperlant. It just what's sad? Is?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I felt so good emotionally the last few days. I go,
it's not sad, which I'm just gonna lean into. Oh right,
earlier you said to me, you know, because I said, like,
but you were like I was thin, and I was like,
you were really stressed. You were like, yeah, I was
mentally ill and so thin and so like, I'm like,
you're mentally ill now too, he ha ha. I'm like,
(24:37):
you probably look better. You're like truth. Okay, And then
I go, I gotta work out. It's been a few days.
Mood is tanking more. Later, so I go off to
work out. I have a soaring workout with Tracy because
I'm back in La briefly. So I'm in here, I'm
with the heat, humanitates Heaven.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I come out of my workout, I see all caps
from caper Land. I'm moments from leaving house and the
button literally popped.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Off my top and I bent down. I go, haha,
send a pick you send this pick if you just
furious in front of a mirror with the bottom button
from your vest. Gone, yeah, bionic gym arriving. Apparently gonna
get hard on that. Okay, So this is this is
amazing and this and by the way, it's really interesting
(25:21):
because Jacqueline, as you know, I was like, we can't
even talk about this on POOD because it's like mega
like eating disorder trigger. I'm like, deeply fortunate I've never
struggled with an eating disorder. Aside, it's when I always
say just the baseline like body obsession anorexia that everyone
brought into this culture has, you know, yes, but it's
so it's just really I'm just it's so funny. And
(25:42):
my fear of a medical condition, that's the thing I
was worried. It wasn't even like I was truly I
was like, something is wrong, like I've got hormone and
balance like here it comes or something. So I'm reminded
of what Rihanna was saying about. She was like, there's
my tour body, there's my off tour body, there's my
you know, and it's like, oh yeah, of course, like
these fluctuations. And I started to worry. Truly, I was
like that something was wrong And these are micro fluctuations
(26:06):
due to obvious lifestyle changes that are fine and I
will never and again I don't want to scale. I
don't play that game, right, but we all know that
I feel like it's a deeply human just when the
pants that were that felt like heaven and suddenly they're
painful and it feels unmanageable.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, so the thing is, like, what I think you
and me enjoy and are sharing here is sisterly intimacy. Yes,
the freedom with the close friend to not speak the language.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Of the culture, you know what I mean, no, completely,
and to be able And again I'm not truly thank god,
I'm not like truly struggling. Right, this isn't like but no,
it's the sisterly me being able to send you a
picture of my ass and to not just fall into
this hyper surveillance controlled language of yeah, well this is
damaging and women shouldn't talk about their bodies this way
and we shouldn't. It's like, no, it's completely okay to
(26:58):
be like my skirts, I want to throw myself off
the deck. That's just you know, to try to somehow
suggest that that those emotions should be eliminated or somehow
like it's just like go to hell. It's like we're strong,
Like it's like it's okay. If we can feel those things,
then also be fine. Yeah, and I would argue expressing
them and being able to laugh uncontrollably at one madness
(27:19):
and at the sickness. Yes, is deeply to use this
overused word healing, but it is. Yeah anyway, and I'm
so and I'm so grateful to you because you freed
me and it was great, and then like everything is
is totally is totally great. Well to just go on
the path with like two.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
To me, it's sort of similar, like like I guess,
I guess what it is is like the intimacy of
bitching about your problems with a friend, and those problems
are small personal like it's like with the friend, you
can drop all of that. Well of course we know
that you know this is all whatever. You know what
I mean, Like you just drop the fucking shit and
(27:59):
get real Like so would be like you could say
to the friend that you're devastated about something that like
it'd be like, you know, I have a pimple, I'm
a fucking like hog. You know what I mean, Like
I'm disgusting, I don't deserve like to live or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Whoever.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And it's like it wouldn't be like, well, wow, what
you're saying, have your health you have? It's really offensive
to all women of course. Yeah, whatever, it's so, And
it's like to get real and into the specific problems
of your friend, whatever that friend's problems are. Like if
that friend's problems are like, you know, whatever, their yacht
got scratched, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Know, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It's like you go on the emotional journey with the
friend because that's their world, and it would be disgusting
not to.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, exactly scratch on the yacht greater perspective, but yeah,
mourning the scratch on the yacht. It's like the person
still needs a friend or a close confidence to go fuck.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And because because it's like it's like the dramas that
are playing out in any given life are the dramas
of that day, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I'm not And I'm like, thank god, I'm not.
When I'm texting all this, I'm not truly beside myself,
right this is but that is it's a yeah, it's
a beautiful intimacy to share and the freedom from being
medical because truly, even still, I'm like, I was like,
looking at the calendar, I was like, oh, this is
going to be like this is the week that like something.
I had some horrible like stomach acid shift, and then
my life was permanently changed, and I was scared. Here's
(29:22):
why I was really scared because as we know, I
have zero dietary I have no allergens or restrictions.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You've been unable to locate a dietary restriction despite it.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Exactly unable to locate. And I'm like, and I've always
been so grateful that I can really eat anything and
feel fine, like I really don't. And so I was like,
oh my god, is it starting? Is this going to
be the fucking turning point where it's like, oh, actually,
if I eat a lot of gluten, then I'm really struggling.
It's like I can't live like that. So that was
(29:51):
a lot of my concern. I was like, because I
don't restrict and I don't have dietary like inflammation like points,
I was like, Oh, no, is this is it now?
I'm now joining that joining Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Oh I can't like we knew the pimple being like, oh,
I have to think about like hurrying to wash my
face after my workout, Like.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What, So we all know I was making the deep chocolate.
What was I call moon dreams? God bless the moon juice.
(30:35):
Moon Juice makes my favorite chia pudding. I'll say I
went and got some yesterday. It's unboo old chia pudding.
And also, if you if you happen to be near
a moon Juice location, they have happy hour every day
you can go get a green juice for like half
off because it's going to expire the next day. Pick
me up. There's one not that far. Isn't that fabulous
you can get Yesterday I got a beautiful green juice
(30:56):
for like I don't know five bucks fucking rules anyway.
So something that I made this is months ago. I
saw this. I didn't even know where I was looking.
I saw this article called the Life Changing Loaf of Bread,
and then it had this picture of a beautiful, rustic
looking loaf that's made with seeds nuts. You know, it's
(31:17):
like a no kneed kind of bread. You don't have
to need it. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking
make it so I did no. So I'm here to
say it's fucking beautiful. I will be posting the recipe
on poog, of course, along with photos of myself making it.
Now listen to me, I'm gonna read you the ingredients.
So you put in some flower seeds, flax seeds, hazel
nuts or almonds or any nut, some oats, some cheese seeds,
(31:39):
cilium husk, some salt, one tablespoon of maple syrup. You
do some melted coconut oil or gee, that's all. You
mix it in a loaf pan. You put it in
the fucking oven. It's so simple, and I have to
say rustic, gorgeous, high fiber heigh nutrition. I knew that's
me your concern. A cup and a half of any oats.
(32:03):
I mean this says rolled oats.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah right, okay, so oats oats like those quick I
did a glyphos It interesting. You gotta be careful when
you bake with silium husk, if I am correct. Really
it can turn things purple if you don't get the
right kind or something.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
This is like an old cano thing. Huh huh. Well
I use silium husk powder. But I just want to
say I'm gonna post photos of the bread. I'm probably
now going to make this bread for the rest of
my life, I instantly flashed to myself in my eighties. Yeah,
a consistency across all live and it's really beautiful. And
you know, I have some in the freezer. I've been
enjoying it in the morning with some avocado and it
(32:38):
absolutely sublime, beautiful and makes you feel like you're in
the Renaissance. Girl with the Pearl earring level Yeah, Vermire,
instantly Vermire light pouring through.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I read that book that that like historical fiction book.
Oh right, it was. The Girl with the Pearl Lane
was also the name of the book based on Look
at me blasting my nose leemar intrigued, very cool.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I'm blasting under the eye, continuing to twitch. If my
eye is twitching tomorrow, I'm texting my doctor. I decided,
you're pathetic, jacolate. It's been a month, a month of
under the eye flutter, not a twitch, a flutter under
the eye involuntary spasms for a month. I mean, what
all day, every day, not all day, but consistently throughout
the day. The last time I remember I had an
(33:22):
eye twitch that wasn't like this because they do say
stress can bring it on. They sure do. And sure
there's been emotional stresses of course. And I remember the
last time. Not to be too hollywood about it, but
I had an eye twitch leading up to when I
was taping my special in twenty nineteen. Yeah, and I
was like, Okay, well, I guess there is like emotional
stress that's causing this like that I may be Oh, yeah,
I'm not fully You know what's fascinating that we actually
(33:45):
do have a subconscious. This is what I'm starting to realize.
You could text your daughter get off a caavia. No,
just that my brazen attitudes that I know myself like
shadow stuff subconscious, I know it, O, Kate. There are
things that you do that you actually cannot understand. The
arrogance of my belief that I somehow have knowledge of
my own subconscious and this is what my life is
(34:06):
about right now. Was actually minding that material like the
eye twitch right, Oh, there could be subconscious There could
be material that I'm sifting through on the level that
I can't consciously acknowledge. And my brazen attitude that I
know what's going on. No, no, no, that I know by
knowing the words subconscious. Yeah, you think because you sign
(34:27):
up for Jungian okay therapy, and you think because you're
familiar and accept the fact that like, yeah, this is
the thing.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
You're like, well, clearly it's an unconscious Like clearly it's
my unconscious or my subconscious desire to That was like
the Freud Young distinction. I think Freud said unconscious, you
said subconscious. I think because it's like down there and
it's conscious. It's not conscious, it's just sub this this consciousness.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Right. But it was like like yeah, like we always
think like oops, that was clearly like a clearly unconscious way.
I was like, didn't want him to come out and
how you know, and it's like you knew you didn't
want to go over like like if it's.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Truly the shadow, you cannot see that which you do
not wish to see, You do not see so exactly.
I mean, the only dignity around that is technowledge that
there's unconscious stuff. The moment that you try to go
like I know what it is, and here's what it is,
You've made yourself a fool because you're doing what cannot
be done.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
No, and I've lived I've operated in that. I've been like, no,
I know the issues, I know the stuff, I know
the shadow stuff, I know the stuff lurking, and it's
like we move through our lives and there is shit
that we fucking cannot see. That is our behavior is
structured around. It's fascinating. Anyways, I'm trying to kind of
get into that stuff, and the eye twitch could be
due to subconscious material that I have not allowed to
(35:46):
surface to the conscious.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I dreamt of an owl. Ooh, yeah, this is good
because I think it head.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Are you ready? Third eye? Ooh, my dreams have been
I'm journaling now in the morning. There's so much longer,
the density of the dreams.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Interesting anywhere, Yeah, no, I just I wanted to say,
I'm going to have to. So my lima almost went
missing six times during this trip, and I've decided I
cannot fuck.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Around with the sticker on it. I see interesting. I
guess I just want to preserve the feeling of it
being new.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Maybe I should take it off so no one fucking
steals it, see is what it is. I just found
it this morning outside, like I left it there because
I try to bring it with me everywhere, so I go,
I go, I'm going to outside for FRS. Might as
well grab the lima, you know, like I do that.
So I find it under my patio table lying there,
and I have to get serious about this. I'm sure
(36:42):
I've brought this up before, but with all of my
devices or small items, I'm going to get a huge
feather boa and a bright collar, and I'm going to glue.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It to the edge the lima.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
So, for example, the Lima will have a five foot
feather boa attached to it.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Got it. My phone needs to never lose it, never
lose it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I need to be able to glance across a room
and have a huge, bright color. I cannot operate with
small items like this. Yeah, I got off. I got
off the plane. I decided to do one of those
like quick checks, okay, like just glance back at my
seat to see if there was anything left by black
pouch with every hard drive of everything I've ever digitized
(37:23):
in my life. Yeah, yeah, the contents of every computer.
And it was there, and I grabbed it. Oh my god,
because I decided I was going to go through all
footage on a single plane ride. Oh Christ, So feather
boa for the community. I thought that was a huge tip.
Oh yeah, phone boa.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh my neck has gone. My neck is gone. I've
decided it's hit. JOCKN texting me today the neck is gone,
and I said, no, there's just no way to really
protect it. The skin is too fucking thin down there.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah. Oh there's more.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I'm not a fucking serious product. I have new serious product.
Rabid interests right now? What Okay, let's see. So it
was on Violet Grands.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
By the way, you were going to report back about
the stem cells that you're using topically and that you
like them and I want them now. Well, I sent
you a couple of photos throughout the week going through
It looked airbrush at the airport. When a product works,
I twitching beyond it is shocking, shocking when it is
a notable difference, a notable Now, I'm not just talking
about the difference between like my skin before moisturizer and
(38:33):
after it ten minutes later, which I hate nothing more
than when you're reading the skincare promises and it says,
you know, eighty five percent of users felt skin looked
more hydrated, plump and dah da dad, And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
after they put it on, you know what I mean,
Like literally after they put it on, I'm like that
accounts It's like wait, so wait but Jacqueline Jacqueline. Yeah,
I need the stem cells.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean before I go down the path, I need
to do a little research about there's plant stem cells.
So it's a question are those anything the plants plant based?
Do I have to go down this thing of you know, Okay,
they get them from the sheep that they're taking the
wolf from, and a lot of people think the wool
industry itself is fucked. So just the fact that they're
(39:15):
these wool sheep that that after.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
They died or whatever, you know. I don't know, I
don't know. I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
All I know is the material that I got, the
serum I got at my facialist that was said to
be stem cell. I used it throughout the week and
it's doing something. I noticed that b R has one.
It says placenta.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I'm sure to see results in a week. Yeah, whoa,
that is not it.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I put it in the mini bar fridge when I'd
arrive at a hotel, the serum and then this rosewater
serum like mix, and I'd leave it in there, so
it's nice and cool and apparently like you know, you're
not supposed to get it super hot. It's like kind
of like an item you'd ideally refer but obviously you're
(40:01):
going to travel with it.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Whatever you're reminding me, I need to buy more sheet
masks for travel to have it in the fridge. Nothing better. Yeah,
tucking it into the mini bar. That is the ultimate,
by the way, because I'm going to be traveling, yeah
for about a month, not bringing the lima already decided
not doing that, not bringing my Zoe, Like it's not
what it's about, no, because it's it's like, okay, like
twenty one days, like no, no, I'm not gonna and
(40:24):
I'm trying to really be diligent about not packing to heavy.
You know what's coming. Goasha into some sheet masks and
then I'll just do it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
I heard from someone that they went to Kosha Spa
based on us talking about it on poog and I
was like what because I can't get an appointment.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Okay, you know, like I just want to go, and
they said it was amazing. Yeah. I looked.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I tried to get an appointment, like put in your
date and then it's like today tomorrow and nothing, nothing,
nothing nothing nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I want it, I need. I'm going to go to
face gym to collect that free facial soon. I booked
a facial with Sunday Skincare in New York, whom I love. Really,
micro current.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You just keep texting me the word micro current recently.
Why are you so convinced that's it?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So? I used to do micro current religiously every four weeks.
The pandemic with LRI pandemic ended everything right, and my
mother also religious micro current, But how often would you
be doing it? Once every couple months, once a month,
every four weeks. Boom.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I just think if it's stimulating muscle, I don't know.
I just think zipping every day for three minutes.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I don't think prould be well interesting as Yeah, I
got to get the zip back out. The zip is real.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Like to me, that's like working out once a month,
working out really hard once.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
No, I think it's real. I think it really every
two weeks. I think the most I saw who was it,
I think it's Lacy Phillips. I saw her being like,
I get micro current every two weeks, and I was like, well, damn,
that's a luxury. That's nice. You sent me something with
the tens pads like you sent me like a bionic
jim face thing that looked interesting. It was like bionic
(41:56):
gym for the face. Oh yeah, M face. Yeah, And
I was like, how do we get I actually I
messaged them and I said, could Jacqueline Novak and I
come in for M face and we'll discuss it on
the on the podcast. Oh my god, Let's see if
they responded. Can you imagine if they had? Well, I
think we might devastate.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Take a trip to our old friends at cl SPA
where they have biology sharish products. I might try to
get back in there. They treated us very well. I
really enjoyed the BR facial. Did you get the facial
that day?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Oh? Yeah. We went and they laid down like that.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Cheese cloth on your face, and then they paint this
mask on the BR mask and then it sort of
sets and then they lift it off, like by lifting
off the cheese cloth.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Kind of right? Does that not ring familiar? I don't know,
not exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
There's salce in my blankets. Finally happened my white throat
that I use on my couch. You spilled, yeah, last night. Yeah,
the darkest sauce that you could imagine, just peppers that
have just the darkest peppers ground into them, and and mmm,
and it just I'm still never so happy as I
(43:08):
am when it's time to eat Mutch TV.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
It just continues. It's the gift that keeps on giving
the best. And then like, what else am I I've
been adding something else? Magnesium I've been doing? Oh yeah,
colostrum I started yesterday. Can thence convince it'll save the
neck in your mouth or on your face in the
mouth supplement? Yeah, that's how they were pitching it. And
(43:32):
Lima does have a supplement that we would like to try.
Didn't they say they were going to send the supplement? Yeah,
and yet mailbox empty? Interesting this morning. Certainly let this
be a warning.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh you know, it's you know what I paid to
get my teeth whitened in office and then follow up
each day with like ten days of doing it.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, how's the pain? I literally like.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Couldn't take it. And so I'm sitting here with my
ten day kit, which you're supposed to use immediately because
of the pain, because of the sensitivity and the zingers.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh, I just terrible. I hate it. I hate the
feeling you can't do that, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I don't know, it's just gonna have to be the
teeth are with the teeth are maybe what teeth are
with the teeth? Why the hell isn't there a little
paint on a little paint on white white tooth like
make up for the tooth white out. Yeah, that even
just lasts a single night. I know they have like
occasionally see like their like teeth.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Right. Wait, this is reminded me. I had a friend
who I watched her get ready one night and she
brushed her teeth with a special toothpaste that turns your
mouth like black. And it's supposed to offer like a
temporary white. But it's not charcoal. I'm gonna find out
it's not the charcoal toothpaste. It's charcoal, but it's something else.
It's like, okay, interesting, it's more medical really, and it
does it for the night. Yeah, it's like not promising
(44:45):
long lasting results.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Right, because we shouldn't have to drink coffee through a straw.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Of course, you know they're like, don't eat anything that
stains your teeth, like blueberries or coffee.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And I'm like well, there goes my life. Yeah. Absolutely,
I'm not giving up blueberries for that. Okay, we gotta go,
all right, love you, okay, I love you. That was food.
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Speaker 3 (45:19):
The din of Vancouver Hags who will join me at
what many have called my spiritual and artistic wedding in
New York City at Town Hall June eighth and ninth.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
For the taping of Get on Your Knees.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Tickets are for purchase at jokes Novak dot com, j
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