March 26, 2025 • 34 mins
This week we sit down with Linsey Davis who shares her journey from studying psychology to becoming a renowned journalist, revealing how her passion for storytelling, curiosity, and empathy shaped her career. She reflects on the early moments that sparked her love for reporting, the challenges of breaking into the industry, and the evolution of her role from on-the-ground journalism to anchoring. Linsey gives an inside look at her meticulous preparation process for high-stakes interviews and major debates. Beyond journalism, she opens up about how running keeps her grounded, how motherhood has inspired her writing, and the lessons she hopes to pass on to the next generation. Through it all, she reminds us of the power of preparation, passion, and truly listening to the stories that need to be told.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, everyone, welcome back to Post run High. Today's
guest is Lindsay Davis. She's an award winning journalist, ABC
News anchor, best selling author, mom, and so much more.
I'm so excited to get in today's combo. Lindsay, how
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was the run for you?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It was good. I mean, as I was telling you,
I guess I'm just still congested because I was more
breathy than I thought. I was like, Lindsay, you are
not in shape. But it went so fast just having
a conversation. I love to talk and run. There are
very few other people who I meet that liked to
do the same. I remember one time I was going
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for a run with my sister and I was like, Oh,
this is going to be such a good bonding experience
in my head. And we got there. We drove to
the beach to run along the beach, and then she
hoped in her AirPods and I was like, Oh, I
guess we're not talking doing this run. So I just
think that the conversation just goes. It just makes the
run go so much faster.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Lindsay and I just got back from running a mile
through Brooklyn and it was so nice finding out that
Lindsay is a runner and that often you prep for
a show by going for a run.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's sometimes it's something I like to do by myself
as well. I mean, there's so many benefits to it,
but I do like to have that shared passion with
other people. And as we were talking about before, we
brought it on our show on ABC News Live Prime,
and it's just a fun way to get to know people.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, and we talked about this during the run, but
let's talk about how you guys brought it onto ABC.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Because I love the concept.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So we decided maybe four years ago that it would
be a great idea to just bring something that I
was passionate about and incorporated into the show. And so
we started thinking about running on the campaign trail and
people who were literally running for office, that we could
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kind of have a little fun with that in a
figurative and literal way and run with the candidates. And
so the first one we did was Beto O'Rourke, who
was running for governor of Texas at that time. Then
we did Doctor Oz who was running for Senate in Pennsylvania.
Ended up doing a number of people. It was interesting
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Nancy Mace at that time, who's a congresswoman in South Carolina.
She had long COVID, so she said she couldn't run anymore,
even though she was a runner. So then we kind
of started expanding and let people kind of pick whatever
exercise or activity they wanted to do. So we went
paddleboarding with her and started you know, biking with different people,
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but we still got it race to November and just
we were just moving forward in whatever way on the
campaign trail. And I just loved the idea because quite often,
in particular with politicians, you know, you have them all
buttoned up and kind of sitting all quafft and you're
just asking the basic same questions about you know, abortion
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or gun control or whatever it is. And this was
just a way to kind of just get to know
them as a person and really humanize them and just
find relatable qualities because you know, running or walking or
hiking it's something that everybody can do. And I think
that it just, you know, it gives a signals to
the viewer. There are ways that they're just like I
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am too.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's so true that movement fosters incredible conversation. So I
love knowing that you guys have been incorporating that into
your show, and it not only makes the guests feel
human and look human, but I feel like it also
for an interviewer. It helps you come up with ideas
and maybe things that you would not have thought of
if you weren't moving your bodies.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
There's something to it that I find really inspirational. Like
I will think about again something that might be upcoming
that we're going to be whether it's an inauguration or
a or some big event, and I'll think, oh, wow,
we should bring this up. We should talk about this aspect.
And as I was mentioning too, just to kind of multitask.
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Quite often i'll listen to it audible, you know, an
audiobook while I'm running to prepare for that next big
event that I'm covering.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I love knowing when staying active is a big part
of somebody's life. So I want you to kind of
back us up and tell.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Us a little bit about yourself. Where did you grow up,
What were you like as a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I'm from South Jersey, Moore's town with an E.
As I always say, not to be confused, because there's
a Moors town in North Jersey. So I'm in a
bedroom community of Philadelphia. Go Eagles, by the way. But
I think I was very extroverted as a child. I
used to dance like Michael Jackson routines during recess, and
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you know, entertain my family. I would pretend that I
had a radio station for whatever we and I remember
being in my grandparents' living room and I would like
tell like silly jokes and laugh and be like ha ha,
that was just a joke.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
My family all kind of entertained this concept of me
being this entertainer. And then, interestingly, I don't know, maybe
in late middle school or then getting into high school,
I kind of became introverted. I started to just be
a little shy, and I think I still am. I mean,
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I'm the kind of person who at a party where
I don't know many people, I'm not gonna go up
and introduce myself. And it's something that I think surprises
people because I have this very public persona at work,
but I actually am really kind of a quiet homebody.
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I love running, obviously, but I love a good book
as well, and watching movies, and really, because I'm so
I think on the go with my job and career
and regularly on a plane. I love just kind of
the quiet times at home with family. I would say
during high school and everything, I ended up being kind
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of a nerd. I was playing computer games at home
on a Friday or Saturday night, always had a good
group of friends. I just for whatever reason, I wasn't
the you know, the one out at the life of
the party or anything, but just all of a sudden
just kind of became a little more introverted.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I find that with a lot of people. Often you
go through kind of high school and your adolescence, and
it's oftentimes people stray away from kind of some of
the things that make them them sure, and it's cool
to know that you did end up coming back to that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's full circle in a different way.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know. You think you learned that you like being
more to yourself in your personal life, but you do
like being extroverted with work.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
My mom always tells the story about how I would,
you know, entertain and pretend I had my little radio show.
It is interesting saying that, you know, somehow there was
kind of a seed. I guess that was planted early
on of the concept of how I wanted to present
information to people, and that now I'm you know, doing
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this for a living and loving it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
What do you think your younger self would think of
you now?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think my younger self would be surprised that it
all worked out in the end. Again, just because I
kind of went through that period where I think I
kind of like shrunk a little bit, like I just
wasn't like the big personality and I can't even think of,
you know, what it was that caused that. But yeah,
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I was very into sports. I think it wasn't until
I maybe was thirty that I ran more than three
miles ever, you know, at one time. And really what happened.
I lived in Indianapolis. I was working at Indianapolis affiliate
there and the station hosted the Mini Marathon, which I
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believe at the time, I don't know that it still
holds this title, but it was the largest half marathon
in America, and the draw was that you got to
run around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They would always encourage
us at the station to participate, and I lived along
this running trail called the Monon Trail, and I would
just be sitting there, you know, eating my chips on
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the couch and seeing people running by and biking by
and rollerblading by. After a while, I started kind of
preparing and training along the mona On Trail and ever
since that, I started running that every year. And then,
as I was saying to you while we were running,
how I met my husband was because my cousin had
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asked him, you know, what are you looking for in
a woman, and he simply said one thing, the very
high bar of she has to like to run, and
that was it. Even though I have some other qualities
I think I can bring to the relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's amazing the people that you meet through running. Let's
back up. I want to know how you got into
journalism and what it was about journalism, you know, outside
of love and entertaining people as a younger kid, what
was it about journalism that you were interested in?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So I went to University of Virginia. At the time,
they didn't have a communications major, but I wanted to
be a psychologist. I figured out I think, you know,
you had to declare, I think by your second semester
what you wanted to major in. And at eighteen years
old or however old I was at the time, I
was just like panicked, you know, I needed to decide,
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and I had already gone through in my mind several concepts. Initially,
I always thought I wanted to be a lawyer, and
then I felt like, if I'm in a courtroom, there's
always gonna be winning and losing, and I'm super competitive,
and I thought that just wouldn't be very hell ultimately
for my psyche of just like winning and losing all
the time for my career. And then I decided I
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really liked talking to people. I like listening. I think
sometimes I go because I I write children's books also,
and sometimes I go to schools and read, and like
twice I've been asked by some of the students there,
the young kids, what's my superpower, which is like a okay,
that's a good question to think about. And what I've
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decided it's empathy. I think I'm able to imagine, you know,
walking a mile in someone else's shoes. And so I decided,
really I was going to be a psychologist. And then
I studied abroad in London that second semester my third year,
and it was the first time I was able to
just take other classes outside of psychology. I had had
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a Spanish exchange student from high school for whatever reason,
I ended up in the apartment by myself watching last
Notesia was watching the news in Spanish. It was almost
like that Charlie Brown mom moment of like want, want, want,
and just like in that moment, I said, that's what
I want to do. And from that time on, once
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I got back to UVA, just started now researching, Okay,
what steps do I have to take, because I didn't
want to leave that college to find a communications program
to start all over again. So I just still graduated
with my psychology degree, and then I went to grad school.
So I came here and went to NYU and then
got Because it's different now fortunately for students at the time,
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in order to get an internship you had to get
it for college credit. You couldn't even offer to work
for free, you know, for a station. So basically I
went to NYU just so I could get an internship
and did end up interning a WNBC, and I just
think it was so helpful just to get a foot
in the door and just understand, you know, how the
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newsroom works. And ever since then just was off to
the races. And I really I don't regret, you know,
the psychology major, because I think that it helps me
relate to people and just kind of meet them where
they are. And you know, on our show ABC News
Life Prime, we talked to authors, entertainers, politicians, and everybody
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is kind of coming in at a different tone level
and a different you know, background, obviously, and I just
think with that background that I have, it just helps
me be a little more relatable.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And I feel like having that psychology degree, you learn
certain things and mannerisms about people, and it helps you
figure out how to interact with kind of anybody. And
I also love knowing that you have that very empathetic
side of you, which is so important in interviewing.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Quite often I will go into an interview and I
think the best question or the best interaction is nothing
I planned ahead of time. It's just something I responded
to based on listening. So now that what I will say,
Because initially I was saying like I was apologizing to
my parents because I was like, oh my gosh, you know,
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you basically have to pay this fifty thousand dollars fornyu
so I can go work for free and get this internship.
But what that master's degree afforded me was that I
could teach college classes. And so when I was in
Indianapolis there was a Franklin College, I started teaching this
writing for Journalism class, and I've ended up loving being
able to teach college students and just when they get it,
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you know, when they grasp There was just nothing more
rewarding for me just to and just to see their
excitement and their enthusiasm, and it's just I'm so blessed
really that I was able to go through this journey
in the way that I did, because I think it's
it's all just kind of come full circle.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Absolutely, and it's amazing to be able to go back
and teach students what you wish you had known when.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You were there, exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When you first started interning at these networks, it's a
very competitive industry. What was your first job when you
did start working.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So I was in Syracuse. I was working at the
CBS affiliate there and it was basically like a paid internship.
I would go out and get mos like which was
man on the street. So I would, you know, for
whoever was anchoring and they weren't really leaving the building.
I would go out and ask the people, like, what
do you think about this? New law that's coming to
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New York. Hillary Clinton was running for Senate for the
first time, so I did an interview with her at
the time.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Was that your biggest interview?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That was my biggest interview in New York for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Ah. So I just have to say man on the
street style interviewing, which is what I started with as well,
builds confidence and improv skills like no other.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I agree, And you know what I've learned again maybe
that little psychology background, I am pretty good, Like I
can ninety percent of the time tell who's going just
their body language, who's gonna stop for you and actually
answer your question before they were like they opened up
their mouth like I'm kind of like, you know, I'll
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be working with a photographer and they would say, you
know what about this guy? And I was like, no,
there's no way he's gonna talk to us. And at
a certain point you just want to be really sensitive
to time and making sure you can get you know,
come back with those like four different soundbites. So I
think I have a good I'm very perceptive in that way.
Who's actually going to talk to you and give you
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maybe like a decent answer. Some people will surprise you
for sure. I remember a bunch of people were sick
for Columbus Day that year, and so they just needed
me to go out and do an interview. It was
my first time on air. I was super nervous. I
had no idea what I was doing. I wrote a
script that was maybe like five minutes long, and you know,
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really it needed to be a minute and a half,
but that was my It was just very fortuitous because
everybody was six. So it was like they turned around,
like lindsay, you're going out and doing this, kid, And
shortly after that they allowed me to come back. I
can and you know, keep doing it pretty regularly after that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And I know there was another big moment like that
in your career. You went from correspondent to being an
anchor in twenty twenty. What was the learning curve like
going from correspondent to anchor? And you can tell me
if I'm getting the terminology wrong, Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, you're right, I'm right one hundred percent. As I
had was always like working my way up the ladder
and getting to bigger market. So I started out in Syracuse,
then I was in Flint, Michigan. Then I went to Indianapolis.
So during my time in Indianapolis, and I ended up
being there for about five years, I went from the
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weekday morning reporter to weekend anchor. Well I was still then,
I was doing both. I think then I became like
night beat reporter and I did that three days week
and then I anchored two days a week. So I
kind of had that skill set of being able to
anchor and report. I didn't have aspirations of being an anchor.
I really just love storytelling. I like talking to people.
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I like telling their stories. Just kind of fell into
the opportunity to anchor it. And even though I always had
loved it when I was in local news and being
able to do both.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
What do you think is the difference between reporting and
being an anchor.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I feel when you're actually out on the street and
going to the bridge collapse, the plane crash, whatever it is,
you're you know, actually gathering the different elements for the story.
You're talking to people, you're seeing the visuals, and you're
focused on just that one story for the day. When
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you are anchoring, you're more removed quite often, and you're
telling all of the major headlines of the day and
you're tossing to different people who are out in the
field or on the scene at a different location. So
you kind of become a jack of all trades and
know a little bit about a lot Versus when you're
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actually the correspondent or reporter, you know that story in
and out. You have your sources and contacts, and you're
keeping up with them and really staying on top of
any developments with that particular story. As an anchor, what
I'm there, it's kind of my job is to tell
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you what's happening in the world today. Are you safe
with regard to you know, war or COVID or stocks,
you know what, all the different aspects of any given
day's news.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's amazing the range of topics that you guys have
to cover on a daily basis. Is there a briefing
that you go through before going on air?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So every day for Prime we have a twelve o'clock
Senior's call. Really it's not too long, maybe fifteen twenty minutes,
and we're just kind of discussing the obvious headlines of
the day, the things that we want to flesh out
a little bit more and give a little more nuance
and give a little extra time too. And then some
of the more what I would call fringe stories. So
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some of the stories, because we have the luxury of time,
we're able to kind of add in some stories that
you may otherwise not have heard of. And we do
something called prime focus every day where it's an extended story.
It might be that where we really focus on something
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in great detail that you likely will not see anywhere else.
And that's what I think is so unique about our show.
And to go back to your point of, you know,
being an anchor versus a correspondent, the nice thing about
our show for me is I'm able to still do both.
So even you know, yesterday I was in Illinois. We
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were doing a story a jailhouse interview with someone who
claims that he is innocent and is wrongfully convicted. So
I'm able to kind of get off the desk every
once in a while and still have those direct connections
and do The reason why I got into this was
the storytelling. And so it's really again, I'm kind of
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living a dream in that quite often you're one or
the other and I and I am able to do both.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
In the setting that you were in yesterday, what is
your approach to getting him to open up.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know, I don't tend to bring notes, So I
think that when people see like the notepad and like
the pen and oh no, but that that's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
No, that's on my runs. I don't bring notes.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I just think, especially in a scenario like that where
you want to disarm, I like to look at it
as a conversation and not an interview. And so I'm
approaching it like, let's just talk, I will say quite often,
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which I really see as a complement. People will say,
oh wow, I just felt like we were just having
a conversation that was so easy. I was so nervous
about this, and that was painless. And so I do
think that there is an aspect of people when they
sit down and they're like, oh, I'm gonna get interviewed
and I'm gonna get grilled, and they see like the
long list of questions, where people become a little more
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tense and don't give you their most authentic answer. So
I just look at it like a conversation. And again,
mostly I'm following up, mostly because I kind of feel
like I come in so prepared and I've researched. If
you've written a book, I've read it. If you've started
a movie, I've watched it, so a lot of it
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can just be really organic and just whatever my inherent
curiosity is, I'm gonna then ask you about it. And
quite often just in the conversation, people will say things
that actually become bullet point reminders for me, like, oh, yeah,
that's right, we mentioned whatever aspect that they just said,
and then I'll it becomes a reminder for me that, yes,
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I wanted to ask about.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
That twenty twenty four presidential debate between President Trump and
Vice President Harris.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
What does preparation look like.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
For that kind of a stage when you've got sixty
seven million people watching.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's the most preparation that I ever do in life.
When I did my first debate in twenty nineteen, which
was a Democratic a primary, I was the most nervous
I've ever been in my life, bar none. I remember
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talking to my best friend and I was just like,
it's months away, and when I think about it, I'm
having heart palpitations. You know, like, what do I do?
I think? Like anything? You know, once you face the
fear and you do it one time and you decide,
oh I did that and I lived. You know, I
lived through it just gets so much easier. So I
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think that even though the stakes were higher, arguably for
the debate that we did in twenty twenty four, because
I already had done it a few times at that point,
it just didn't feel as nerve wracking because I just felt, Okay,
I've done this, I understand how it works. Going into
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twenty into twenty twenty four, it was a little easier
to anticipate just because I had done it a few
times before. I was able to, you know, work a
little smarter rather than harder in learning as much as
I did.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I feel like, at the end of the day, modering
a debate like that really is a service to the
American people. So it's like you have to go in
more prepared than you ever had within the craze of
world news and debates, which can sometimes be very negative.
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I love knowing that you've tapped into a different side
of storytelling through writing children's books.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
By the way, guys, all of these books are so thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh thank you, so can you kind of walk us
through some of your books and where the inspo comes from.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Thinking about my son as he was, you know, two
or three, and wanting to watch mom on the news,
and I just felt like, oh, this is this is
too heavy, you know, for a little mind to have
to watch. So I felt this was something that I
could share with him that would be the good news,
you know, the positive news. And so I knew when
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I shortly after he was born that I wanted to
write children's books. And I just carried it with me
for a few years because I didn't know how to
do it. I didn't know where to even begin, and
I didn't know what I wanted to write about. And
one day when he was like two or three, and
I was driving, and he was in a backseat of
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the car, and he asked, Mommy, does God open up
the flowers? And I just thought, what a suite and
at the same time introspective question. And I, in that moment,
was like, I'm going to try and answer that question
in a book that's I think that's my idea. And
unbeknownst to him, he really has been my inspiration for
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each of the books that I've written, you know. At
one point he said he came home from preschool and
he said, how come Santino has two grandmas and two
grandpas and I just have one of each and he
didn't remember his paternal grandmother. His paternal grandfather had already
passed before he was born. And so I ended up
writing this book, How High is Heaven, about this little
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boy who's trying to go to heaven to meet his grandparents.
Because when we had had this conversation, because he said,
I want to go see them, and I said, you know,
you'll see them one day, you know, they're in heaven.
And he would start asking them questions about what is heaven.
And fast forward maybe two or three months, and we
were on a plane and he was looking out the
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window and he was like, I don't see them, and
this was out of nowhere. I said, you don't see who?
And he was like, I don't see Grandma Pee. And
so he inspired me, you know, to to write about,
you know, kids who are losing and unfortunately it was
really during COVID when so many people were losing loved
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ones and and just trying to explain death I think
is a really complicated topic obviously for a young person,
but it's it's necessary to have those conversations and just
you know the world that he was growing up with
the police protest, it was right you know, after George
Floyd was killed and COVID was happening, and there was
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just a lot of tumult. That he was about five
years old and was just asking me questions that were
really hard questions, and so I would take his questions
and really use it as material for, you know, trying
to write a book to explain some some some hard truths.
I guess in a in a very palatable and appropriate
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way for a young mind.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love it, and I especially we love women obviously
on this podcast, and I especially love Girls of the
World World. Yes, it's empowering.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
It's cute.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It shows women that they can do anything, especially little girls.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So even with that one, it's funny because I have
a boy. But he inadvertently again inspired that book because
I remember one morning I was he loves waffles. So
I said to him, like, why don't you just come
in here and you can learn how to make the waffles.
And he was like, Mom, that's for girls. And I said, what, No,
it's not cooking. It's not for girls. And I said,
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what are you going to do when you grow up
and you're not living with mom anymore? He said, my
wife is going to cook And so I just thought
that's it's so interesting that he has assigned gender roles already.
And I think at the time he was like seven
years old, I really wanted to empower girls, even for him,
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you know. I mean, I think that it's that males
have a role in understanding early on that women are
equals and women need to understand that so and you know,
both sexes. I think it's so important, and I think
that it's important to plant these seeds early and not
have to change minds as adults, but really inform young
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people as early as possible.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
What is something from your career, maybe one thing, one
lesson that you want your son to grow up having learned.
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I think it really goes back to girls of the world.
I think that I just want him to realize that
a woman is an equal partner. It's funny to me
that he even had this assumption that women are the
ones who are at home cooking because other than waffles
on a Saturday morning, I'm not really.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Maybe it's just like motherly energy though, you know what,
girls can do anything.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That's right, and we can moderate political debates.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, I think also I want him to know that
he can do anything that he wants to. You know,
I think that early on my parents instilled in me
and my I have an older sister that the world
is ourn't oyster and the sky is not the limit.
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And I think I was either smart enough or silly
enough to believe them, And so I want to instill
that same concept in my son. That you know, there's
a famous quote, whether you think you can or you
can't do something, you're right. And I think so often
we limit ourselves. We put parameters and closed doors and
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believe that, you know, our options are limited. I just
want him to grow up believing that he can do
it if he thinks about it and just wants it
that and desires it, that he can do it.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
As somebody that wants to get into the world of
broadcast journalism and become a great storyteller on my own,
What is one piece of advice you have for me?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Whatever you do. You know, there's a quote that says,
you know, if you want to write books, it's write
like a reader, right, And so you start to whatever
you're consuming, you start to get an appreciation for what works,
what is effective, what draws you in. So I would say,
watch the news if you want to be on the
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news or you know, that's if you want to be
an anchor, if you want to be a reporter, study
the people. Find your favorite anchor, find your favorite correspondent.
What makes them your favorite? I mean, the thing is
we are invited guests into people's homes, and what makes
that person stand out that you want to you trust
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them enough to invite them into your living room every day.
And so that's my number one piece of advice. Whatever
it is you want to do, find who you think
is the best person to do it. And that's not
to say that you become or emulate that person, but
I think you just get a sense of style and
effective and what works, and you know, and in an
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aspirational way, you know, what is that person doing that?
What are some of those takeaways that I can use
to incorporate into my own style, into my own voice.
And I think that that's something that I wish if
I could go back, I really would have paid attention
at an early age, you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, to
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really pay attention to because ultimately, storyteller telling, I think
is a formula. I think there's a style. I think
there is a sensibility that you over time learn and I,
you know, just happened was like kind of in my
early twenties when I was learning it, I wish I
had learned it a decade earlier.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I was asking somebody the other day, a mentor of mine,
you know, is there a class you can take to
get really good at interviewing? And she was like, well,
of course there's programs in schools and universities, but honestly,
you learn.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
By doing and by watching.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Exactly what you're saying, Lindsey, what do you have coming
up that you're super excited about that you want everyone
to know about that's listening or watching.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So I'm looking forward to and I don't have a
date yet. I imagine it'll be in April, but we've
with Jamie Snow, who I was just mentioning. I went
and interviewed him in a prison in Illinois. He says
that he's innocent and that he claims that he's been
wrongfully convicted for more in excess of twenty five years
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for a murder that he says he did not commit.
We went and interviewed all from Georgetown University students. Jason Flomm,
of course, author John Grisham and then went and interviewed
Jamie Snow his two daughters who are now grown, and
so really all aspects and this is something I having
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to have a personal interest in criminal justice and injustice.
We've done three prior to Jamie Snow jailhouse interviews, all
three of them ended up being released from prison. You know.
We were doing all just kind of a series on
wrongful convictions. So I'm really eager to share that with viewers.
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Hopefully that'll be on ABCNIWS Life Prime at some point
in April.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's going to be fascinating. I am so excited to watch.
Thank you so much Lindsey for sitting down with me today,
and thank you to everybody watching and listening.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Post Run High. Thank you hum
All right, everyone, welcome back to Post run High. Today's
guest is Lindsay Davis. She's an award winning journalist, ABC
News anchor, best selling author, mom, and so much more.
I'm so excited to get in today's combo. Lindsay, how
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was the run for you?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It was good. I mean, as I was telling you,
I guess I'm just still congested because I was more
breathy than I thought. I was like, Lindsay, you are
not in shape. But it went so fast just having
a conversation. I love to talk and run. There are
very few other people who I meet that liked to
do the same. I remember one time I was going
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for a run with my sister and I was like, Oh,
this is going to be such a good bonding experience
in my head. And we got there. We drove to
the beach to run along the beach, and then she
hoped in her AirPods and I was like, Oh, I
guess we're not talking doing this run. So I just
think that the conversation just goes. It just makes the
run go so much faster.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Lindsay and I just got back from running a mile
through Brooklyn and it was so nice finding out that
Lindsay is a runner and that often you prep for
a show by going for a run.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's sometimes it's something I like to do by myself
as well. I mean, there's so many benefits to it,
but I do like to have that shared passion with
other people. And as we were talking about before, we
brought it on our show on ABC News Live Prime,
and it's just a fun way to get to know people.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, and we talked about this during the run, but
let's talk about how you guys brought it onto ABC.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Because I love the concept.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So we decided maybe four years ago that it would
be a great idea to just bring something that I
was passionate about and incorporated into the show. And so
we started thinking about running on the campaign trail and
people who were literally running for office, that we could
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kind of have a little fun with that in a
figurative and literal way and run with the candidates. And
so the first one we did was Beto O'Rourke, who
was running for governor of Texas at that time. Then
we did Doctor Oz who was running for Senate in Pennsylvania.
Ended up doing a number of people. It was interesting
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Nancy Mace at that time, who's a congresswoman in South Carolina.
She had long COVID, so she said she couldn't run anymore,
even though she was a runner. So then we kind
of started expanding and let people kind of pick whatever
exercise or activity they wanted to do. So we went
paddleboarding with her and started you know, biking with different people,
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but we still got it race to November and just
we were just moving forward in whatever way on the
campaign trail. And I just loved the idea because quite often,
in particular with politicians, you know, you have them all
buttoned up and kind of sitting all quafft and you're
just asking the basic same questions about you know, abortion
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or gun control or whatever it is. And this was
just a way to kind of just get to know
them as a person and really humanize them and just
find relatable qualities because you know, running or walking or
hiking it's something that everybody can do. And I think
that it just, you know, it gives a signals to
the viewer. There are ways that they're just like I
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am too.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's so true that movement fosters incredible conversation. So I
love knowing that you guys have been incorporating that into
your show, and it not only makes the guests feel
human and look human, but I feel like it also
for an interviewer. It helps you come up with ideas
and maybe things that you would not have thought of
if you weren't moving your bodies.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
There's something to it that I find really inspirational. Like
I will think about again something that might be upcoming
that we're going to be whether it's an inauguration or
a or some big event, and I'll think, oh, wow,
we should bring this up. We should talk about this aspect.
And as I was mentioning too, just to kind of multitask.
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Quite often i'll listen to it audible, you know, an
audiobook while I'm running to prepare for that next big
event that I'm covering.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I love knowing when staying active is a big part
of somebody's life. So I want you to kind of
back us up and tell.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Us a little bit about yourself. Where did you grow up,
What were you like as a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I'm from South Jersey, Moore's town with an E.
As I always say, not to be confused, because there's
a Moors town in North Jersey. So I'm in a
bedroom community of Philadelphia. Go Eagles, by the way. But
I think I was very extroverted as a child. I
used to dance like Michael Jackson routines during recess, and
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you know, entertain my family. I would pretend that I
had a radio station for whatever we and I remember
being in my grandparents' living room and I would like
tell like silly jokes and laugh and be like ha ha,
that was just a joke.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
My family all kind of entertained this concept of me
being this entertainer. And then, interestingly, I don't know, maybe
in late middle school or then getting into high school,
I kind of became introverted. I started to just be
a little shy, and I think I still am. I mean,
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I'm the kind of person who at a party where
I don't know many people, I'm not gonna go up
and introduce myself. And it's something that I think surprises
people because I have this very public persona at work,
but I actually am really kind of a quiet homebody.
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I love running, obviously, but I love a good book
as well, and watching movies, and really, because I'm so
I think on the go with my job and career
and regularly on a plane. I love just kind of
the quiet times at home with family. I would say
during high school and everything, I ended up being kind
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of a nerd. I was playing computer games at home
on a Friday or Saturday night, always had a good
group of friends. I just for whatever reason, I wasn't
the you know, the one out at the life of
the party or anything, but just all of a sudden
just kind of became a little more introverted.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I find that with a lot of people. Often you
go through kind of high school and your adolescence, and
it's oftentimes people stray away from kind of some of
the things that make them them sure, and it's cool
to know that you did end up coming back to that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's full circle in a different way.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know. You think you learned that you like being
more to yourself in your personal life, but you do
like being extroverted with work.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
My mom always tells the story about how I would,
you know, entertain and pretend I had my little radio show.
It is interesting saying that, you know, somehow there was
kind of a seed. I guess that was planted early
on of the concept of how I wanted to present
information to people, and that now I'm you know, doing
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this for a living and loving it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
What do you think your younger self would think of
you now?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think my younger self would be surprised that it
all worked out in the end. Again, just because I
kind of went through that period where I think I
kind of like shrunk a little bit, like I just
wasn't like the big personality and I can't even think of,
you know, what it was that caused that. But yeah,
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I was very into sports. I think it wasn't until
I maybe was thirty that I ran more than three
miles ever, you know, at one time. And really what happened.
I lived in Indianapolis. I was working at Indianapolis affiliate
there and the station hosted the Mini Marathon, which I
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believe at the time, I don't know that it still
holds this title, but it was the largest half marathon
in America, and the draw was that you got to
run around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They would always encourage
us at the station to participate, and I lived along
this running trail called the Monon Trail, and I would
just be sitting there, you know, eating my chips on
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the couch and seeing people running by and biking by
and rollerblading by. After a while, I started kind of
preparing and training along the mona On Trail and ever
since that, I started running that every year. And then,
as I was saying to you while we were running,
how I met my husband was because my cousin had
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asked him, you know, what are you looking for in
a woman, and he simply said one thing, the very
high bar of she has to like to run, and
that was it. Even though I have some other qualities
I think I can bring to the relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's amazing the people that you meet through running. Let's
back up. I want to know how you got into
journalism and what it was about journalism, you know, outside
of love and entertaining people as a younger kid, what
was it about journalism that you were interested in?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So I went to University of Virginia. At the time,
they didn't have a communications major, but I wanted to
be a psychologist. I figured out I think, you know,
you had to declare, I think by your second semester
what you wanted to major in. And at eighteen years
old or however old I was at the time, I
was just like panicked, you know, I needed to decide,
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and I had already gone through in my mind several concepts. Initially,
I always thought I wanted to be a lawyer, and
then I felt like, if I'm in a courtroom, there's
always gonna be winning and losing, and I'm super competitive,
and I thought that just wouldn't be very hell ultimately
for my psyche of just like winning and losing all
the time for my career. And then I decided I
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really liked talking to people. I like listening. I think
sometimes I go because I I write children's books also,
and sometimes I go to schools and read, and like
twice I've been asked by some of the students there,
the young kids, what's my superpower, which is like a okay,
that's a good question to think about. And what I've
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decided it's empathy. I think I'm able to imagine, you know,
walking a mile in someone else's shoes. And so I decided,
really I was going to be a psychologist. And then
I studied abroad in London that second semester my third year,
and it was the first time I was able to
just take other classes outside of psychology. I had had
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a Spanish exchange student from high school for whatever reason,
I ended up in the apartment by myself watching last
Notesia was watching the news in Spanish. It was almost
like that Charlie Brown mom moment of like want, want, want,
and just like in that moment, I said, that's what
I want to do. And from that time on, once
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I got back to UVA, just started now researching, Okay,
what steps do I have to take, because I didn't
want to leave that college to find a communications program
to start all over again. So I just still graduated
with my psychology degree, and then I went to grad school.
So I came here and went to NYU and then
got Because it's different now fortunately for students at the time,
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in order to get an internship you had to get
it for college credit. You couldn't even offer to work
for free, you know, for a station. So basically I
went to NYU just so I could get an internship
and did end up interning a WNBC, and I just
think it was so helpful just to get a foot
in the door and just understand, you know, how the
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newsroom works. And ever since then just was off to
the races. And I really I don't regret, you know,
the psychology major, because I think that it helps me
relate to people and just kind of meet them where
they are. And you know, on our show ABC News
Life Prime, we talked to authors, entertainers, politicians, and everybody
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is kind of coming in at a different tone level
and a different you know, background, obviously, and I just
think with that background that I have, it just helps
me be a little more relatable.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And I feel like having that psychology degree, you learn
certain things and mannerisms about people, and it helps you
figure out how to interact with kind of anybody. And
I also love knowing that you have that very empathetic
side of you, which is so important in interviewing.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Quite often I will go into an interview and I
think the best question or the best interaction is nothing
I planned ahead of time. It's just something I responded
to based on listening. So now that what I will say,
Because initially I was saying like I was apologizing to
my parents because I was like, oh my gosh, you know,
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you basically have to pay this fifty thousand dollars fornyu
so I can go work for free and get this internship.
But what that master's degree afforded me was that I
could teach college classes. And so when I was in
Indianapolis there was a Franklin College, I started teaching this
writing for Journalism class, and I've ended up loving being
able to teach college students and just when they get it,
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you know, when they grasp There was just nothing more
rewarding for me just to and just to see their
excitement and their enthusiasm, and it's just I'm so blessed
really that I was able to go through this journey
in the way that I did, because I think it's
it's all just kind of come full circle.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Absolutely, and it's amazing to be able to go back
and teach students what you wish you had known when.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You were there, exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When you first started interning at these networks, it's a
very competitive industry. What was your first job when you
did start working.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So I was in Syracuse. I was working at the
CBS affiliate there and it was basically like a paid internship.
I would go out and get mos like which was
man on the street. So I would, you know, for
whoever was anchoring and they weren't really leaving the building.
I would go out and ask the people, like, what
do you think about this? New law that's coming to
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New York. Hillary Clinton was running for Senate for the
first time, so I did an interview with her at
the time.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Was that your biggest interview?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That was my biggest interview in New York for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Ah. So I just have to say man on the
street style interviewing, which is what I started with as well,
builds confidence and improv skills like no other.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I agree, And you know what I've learned again maybe
that little psychology background, I am pretty good, Like I
can ninety percent of the time tell who's going just
their body language, who's gonna stop for you and actually
answer your question before they were like they opened up
their mouth like I'm kind of like, you know, I'll
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be working with a photographer and they would say, you
know what about this guy? And I was like, no,
there's no way he's gonna talk to us. And at
a certain point you just want to be really sensitive
to time and making sure you can get you know,
come back with those like four different soundbites. So I
think I have a good I'm very perceptive in that way.
Who's actually going to talk to you and give you
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maybe like a decent answer. Some people will surprise you
for sure. I remember a bunch of people were sick
for Columbus Day that year, and so they just needed
me to go out and do an interview. It was
my first time on air. I was super nervous. I
had no idea what I was doing. I wrote a
script that was maybe like five minutes long, and you know,
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really it needed to be a minute and a half,
but that was my It was just very fortuitous because
everybody was six. So it was like they turned around,
like lindsay, you're going out and doing this, kid, And
shortly after that they allowed me to come back. I
can and you know, keep doing it pretty regularly after that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And I know there was another big moment like that
in your career. You went from correspondent to being an
anchor in twenty twenty. What was the learning curve like
going from correspondent to anchor? And you can tell me
if I'm getting the terminology wrong, Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, you're right, I'm right one hundred percent. As I
had was always like working my way up the ladder
and getting to bigger market. So I started out in Syracuse,
then I was in Flint, Michigan. Then I went to Indianapolis.
So during my time in Indianapolis, and I ended up
being there for about five years, I went from the
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weekday morning reporter to weekend anchor. Well I was still then,
I was doing both. I think then I became like
night beat reporter and I did that three days week
and then I anchored two days a week. So I
kind of had that skill set of being able to
anchor and report. I didn't have aspirations of being an anchor.
I really just love storytelling. I like talking to people.
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I like telling their stories. Just kind of fell into
the opportunity to anchor it. And even though I always had
loved it when I was in local news and being
able to do both.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
What do you think is the difference between reporting and
being an anchor.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I feel when you're actually out on the street and
going to the bridge collapse, the plane crash, whatever it is,
you're you know, actually gathering the different elements for the story.
You're talking to people, you're seeing the visuals, and you're
focused on just that one story for the day. When
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you are anchoring, you're more removed quite often, and you're
telling all of the major headlines of the day and
you're tossing to different people who are out in the
field or on the scene at a different location. So
you kind of become a jack of all trades and
know a little bit about a lot Versus when you're
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actually the correspondent or reporter, you know that story in
and out. You have your sources and contacts, and you're
keeping up with them and really staying on top of
any developments with that particular story. As an anchor, what
I'm there, it's kind of my job is to tell
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you what's happening in the world today. Are you safe
with regard to you know, war or COVID or stocks,
you know what, all the different aspects of any given
day's news.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's amazing the range of topics that you guys have
to cover on a daily basis. Is there a briefing
that you go through before going on air?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So every day for Prime we have a twelve o'clock
Senior's call. Really it's not too long, maybe fifteen twenty minutes,
and we're just kind of discussing the obvious headlines of
the day, the things that we want to flesh out
a little bit more and give a little more nuance
and give a little extra time too. And then some
of the more what I would call fringe stories. So
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some of the stories, because we have the luxury of time,
we're able to kind of add in some stories that
you may otherwise not have heard of. And we do
something called prime focus every day where it's an extended story.
It might be that where we really focus on something
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in great detail that you likely will not see anywhere else.
And that's what I think is so unique about our show.
And to go back to your point of, you know,
being an anchor versus a correspondent, the nice thing about
our show for me is I'm able to still do both.
So even you know, yesterday I was in Illinois. We
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were doing a story a jailhouse interview with someone who
claims that he is innocent and is wrongfully convicted. So
I'm able to kind of get off the desk every
once in a while and still have those direct connections
and do The reason why I got into this was
the storytelling. And so it's really again, I'm kind of
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living a dream in that quite often you're one or
the other and I and I am able to do both.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
In the setting that you were in yesterday, what is
your approach to getting him to open up.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know, I don't tend to bring notes, So I
think that when people see like the notepad and like
the pen and oh no, but that that's.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
No, that's on my runs. I don't bring notes.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I just think, especially in a scenario like that where
you want to disarm, I like to look at it
as a conversation and not an interview. And so I'm
approaching it like, let's just talk, I will say quite often,
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which I really see as a complement. People will say,
oh wow, I just felt like we were just having
a conversation that was so easy. I was so nervous
about this, and that was painless. And so I do
think that there is an aspect of people when they
sit down and they're like, oh, I'm gonna get interviewed
and I'm gonna get grilled, and they see like the
long list of questions, where people become a little more
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tense and don't give you their most authentic answer. So
I just look at it like a conversation. And again,
mostly I'm following up, mostly because I kind of feel
like I come in so prepared and I've researched. If
you've written a book, I've read it. If you've started
a movie, I've watched it, so a lot of it
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can just be really organic and just whatever my inherent
curiosity is, I'm gonna then ask you about it. And
quite often just in the conversation, people will say things
that actually become bullet point reminders for me, like, oh, yeah,
that's right, we mentioned whatever aspect that they just said,
and then I'll it becomes a reminder for me that, yes,
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I wanted to ask about.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
That twenty twenty four presidential debate between President Trump and
Vice President Harris.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
What does preparation look like.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
For that kind of a stage when you've got sixty
seven million people watching.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's the most preparation that I ever do in life.
When I did my first debate in twenty nineteen, which
was a Democratic a primary, I was the most nervous
I've ever been in my life, bar none. I remember
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talking to my best friend and I was just like,
it's months away, and when I think about it, I'm
having heart palpitations. You know, like, what do I do?
I think? Like anything? You know, once you face the
fear and you do it one time and you decide,
oh I did that and I lived. You know, I
lived through it just gets so much easier. So I
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think that even though the stakes were higher, arguably for
the debate that we did in twenty twenty four, because
I already had done it a few times at that point,
it just didn't feel as nerve wracking because I just felt, Okay,
I've done this, I understand how it works. Going into
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twenty into twenty twenty four, it was a little easier
to anticipate just because I had done it a few
times before. I was able to, you know, work a
little smarter rather than harder in learning as much as
I did.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I feel like, at the end of the day, modering
a debate like that really is a service to the
American people. So it's like you have to go in
more prepared than you ever had within the craze of
world news and debates, which can sometimes be very negative.
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I love knowing that you've tapped into a different side
of storytelling through writing children's books.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
By the way, guys, all of these books are so thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh thank you, so can you kind of walk us
through some of your books and where the inspo comes from.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Thinking about my son as he was, you know, two
or three, and wanting to watch mom on the news,
and I just felt like, oh, this is this is
too heavy, you know, for a little mind to have
to watch. So I felt this was something that I
could share with him that would be the good news,
you know, the positive news. And so I knew when
(24:37):
I shortly after he was born that I wanted to
write children's books. And I just carried it with me
for a few years because I didn't know how to
do it. I didn't know where to even begin, and
I didn't know what I wanted to write about. And
one day when he was like two or three, and
I was driving, and he was in a backseat of
(24:57):
the car, and he asked, Mommy, does God open up
the flowers? And I just thought, what a suite and
at the same time introspective question. And I, in that moment,
was like, I'm going to try and answer that question
in a book that's I think that's my idea. And
unbeknownst to him, he really has been my inspiration for
(25:22):
each of the books that I've written, you know. At
one point he said he came home from preschool and
he said, how come Santino has two grandmas and two
grandpas and I just have one of each and he
didn't remember his paternal grandmother. His paternal grandfather had already
passed before he was born. And so I ended up
writing this book, How High is Heaven, about this little
(25:43):
boy who's trying to go to heaven to meet his grandparents.
Because when we had had this conversation, because he said,
I want to go see them, and I said, you know,
you'll see them one day, you know, they're in heaven.
And he would start asking them questions about what is heaven.
And fast forward maybe two or three months, and we
were on a plane and he was looking out the
(26:04):
window and he was like, I don't see them, and
this was out of nowhere. I said, you don't see who?
And he was like, I don't see Grandma Pee. And
so he inspired me, you know, to to write about,
you know, kids who are losing and unfortunately it was
really during COVID when so many people were losing loved
(26:27):
ones and and just trying to explain death I think
is a really complicated topic obviously for a young person,
but it's it's necessary to have those conversations and just
you know the world that he was growing up with
the police protest, it was right you know, after George
Floyd was killed and COVID was happening, and there was
(26:53):
just a lot of tumult. That he was about five
years old and was just asking me questions that were
really hard questions, and so I would take his questions
and really use it as material for, you know, trying
to write a book to explain some some some hard truths.
I guess in a in a very palatable and appropriate
(27:16):
way for a young mind.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love it, and I especially we love women obviously
on this podcast, and I especially love Girls of the
World World. Yes, it's empowering.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
It's cute.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It shows women that they can do anything, especially little girls.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So even with that one, it's funny because I have
a boy. But he inadvertently again inspired that book because
I remember one morning I was he loves waffles. So
I said to him, like, why don't you just come
in here and you can learn how to make the waffles.
And he was like, Mom, that's for girls. And I said, what, No,
it's not cooking. It's not for girls. And I said,
(27:52):
what are you going to do when you grow up
and you're not living with mom anymore? He said, my
wife is going to cook And so I just thought
that's it's so interesting that he has assigned gender roles already.
And I think at the time he was like seven
years old, I really wanted to empower girls, even for him,
(28:14):
you know. I mean, I think that it's that males
have a role in understanding early on that women are
equals and women need to understand that so and you know,
both sexes. I think it's so important, and I think
that it's important to plant these seeds early and not
have to change minds as adults, but really inform young
(28:40):
people as early as possible.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
What is something from your career, maybe one thing, one
lesson that you want your son to grow up having learned.
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I think it really goes back to girls of the world.
I think that I just want him to realize that
a woman is an equal partner. It's funny to me
that he even had this assumption that women are the
ones who are at home cooking because other than waffles
on a Saturday morning, I'm not really.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Maybe it's just like motherly energy though, you know what,
girls can do anything.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That's right, and we can moderate political debates.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, I think also I want him to know that
he can do anything that he wants to. You know,
I think that early on my parents instilled in me
and my I have an older sister that the world
is ourn't oyster and the sky is not the limit.
(29:41):
And I think I was either smart enough or silly
enough to believe them, And so I want to instill
that same concept in my son. That you know, there's
a famous quote, whether you think you can or you
can't do something, you're right. And I think so often
we limit ourselves. We put parameters and closed doors and
(30:06):
believe that, you know, our options are limited. I just
want him to grow up believing that he can do
it if he thinks about it and just wants it
that and desires it, that he can do it.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
As somebody that wants to get into the world of
broadcast journalism and become a great storyteller on my own,
What is one piece of advice you have for me?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Whatever you do. You know, there's a quote that says,
you know, if you want to write books, it's write
like a reader, right, And so you start to whatever
you're consuming, you start to get an appreciation for what works,
what is effective, what draws you in. So I would say,
watch the news if you want to be on the
(30:50):
news or you know, that's if you want to be
an anchor, if you want to be a reporter, study
the people. Find your favorite anchor, find your favorite correspondent.
What makes them your favorite? I mean, the thing is
we are invited guests into people's homes, and what makes
that person stand out that you want to you trust
(31:10):
them enough to invite them into your living room every day.
And so that's my number one piece of advice. Whatever
it is you want to do, find who you think
is the best person to do it. And that's not
to say that you become or emulate that person, but
I think you just get a sense of style and
effective and what works, and you know, and in an
(31:32):
aspirational way, you know, what is that person doing that?
What are some of those takeaways that I can use
to incorporate into my own style, into my own voice.
And I think that that's something that I wish if
I could go back, I really would have paid attention
at an early age, you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, to
(31:57):
really pay attention to because ultimately, storyteller telling, I think
is a formula. I think there's a style. I think
there is a sensibility that you over time learn and I,
you know, just happened was like kind of in my
early twenties when I was learning it, I wish I
had learned it a decade earlier.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I was asking somebody the other day, a mentor of mine,
you know, is there a class you can take to
get really good at interviewing? And she was like, well,
of course there's programs in schools and universities, but honestly,
you learn.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
By doing and by watching.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Exactly what you're saying, Lindsey, what do you have coming
up that you're super excited about that you want everyone
to know about that's listening or watching.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So I'm looking forward to and I don't have a
date yet. I imagine it'll be in April, but we've
with Jamie Snow, who I was just mentioning. I went
and interviewed him in a prison in Illinois. He says
that he's innocent and that he claims that he's been
wrongfully convicted for more in excess of twenty five years
(32:58):
for a murder that he says he did not commit.
We went and interviewed all from Georgetown University students. Jason Flomm,
of course, author John Grisham and then went and interviewed
Jamie Snow his two daughters who are now grown, and
so really all aspects and this is something I having
(33:19):
to have a personal interest in criminal justice and injustice.
We've done three prior to Jamie Snow jailhouse interviews, all
three of them ended up being released from prison. You know.
We were doing all just kind of a series on
wrongful convictions. So I'm really eager to share that with viewers.
(33:43):
Hopefully that'll be on ABCNIWS Life Prime at some point
in April.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's going to be fascinating. I am so excited to watch.
Thank you so much Lindsey for sitting down with me today,
and thank you to everybody watching and listening.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Post Run High. Thank you hum
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