August 4, 2025 • 58 mins
Margo Price’s rise in country music is anything but conventional and that’s exactly what makes her story unforgettable. In this episode, Margo opens up about her early days growing up in a small town, chasing music through the dive bars of Nashville, and weathering loss, rejection, and self-doubt along the way. She shares how she found her voice as an artist, the moment she knew music was her calling, and the struggles throughout the early years of her career. From writing her memoir to performing on SNL to her experiences with psychedelics and activism through Farm Aid, Margo doesn’t hold back. If you’ve ever questioned your path, felt the odds stacked against you, or tried to make something beautiful out of pain — this episode is for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What is up?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Runner Gang, Welcome back to Post Run High. Today's guest
is country singer Margot Price. We ran through the streets
of New York before sitting down to talk about how
she went from a small town in Illinois to making
a name for herself in Nashville. If you're new here,
this podcast is all about inspiring conversations that start with movement,
because we believe movement opens people up and weighs nothing
(00:26):
else does. And today we kick things off with a
run before diving into our conversation. We have great episodes
coming up, so please make sure you follow the show
wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's get our
post run High going.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Margot Price, Welcome to Post Run High.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Margo and I just went for a one mile run
through Brooklyn. I found out that you like to run,
and I have to say you had by far the
best breath control out of a lot of the people
we have on the running interview show.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Hey must be all the treadmill singing workouts that I do.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Just kidding. How are you feeling post run feel great?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I needed that. I've been on summer break with my kids,
so I haven't been able to go do my ritual
of disappearing in the woods and running.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Like, how does that change things for you when your
kids get out of school and all of a sudden
they're at home during the day.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, makes it hard sometimes to shower and do things
that humans need to do. But I usually take them
to a park and end up like running around and
climbing on the playground equipment with them, trying to try
to move my body no matter what.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And I know you have two kids. How old are they?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I have a fourteen year old boy and a six
year old girl.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Wow, teenager?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep, teenager and basically like a kindergartener their first grade.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Okay, wow, so young? And you live in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I live in Nashville. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And this is a big day for you because not
only did we go for a rent together, but you
are currently dropping the news that you have a new
album coming out August twenty ninth.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
August twenty ninth, Hard Headed Woman for singles out today.
It's called Don't let the Bastards Get You Down. It
feels fitting with the state of the world.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I guess what is going through your mind right now
as you're dropping a new song, like is there are
there emotions that come with that, like walk us through
kind of what's going on today.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, it's been a long time coming. It always feels like,
you know, I started writing the songs and recording so
long ago. So yeah, a lot of anticipation and I'm
just excited to get the music and back to the fans.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
How long have you been working on this album.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
For It's been about three years in the making. Just
I really want to to spend the time on this
record and make sure that I had everything exactly the
way that I wanted it. In the past, i've kind of,
I don't want to say, rushed things, but you know,
it didn't spend as much time as I wanted. And
so yeah, it was nice to be in the studio.
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We recorded it in Nashville. All my prior records were
recorded in like Memphis or Los Angeles, and so this
album we were just able to work on it like
at home at my leisure.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You have such an interesting story.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We tapped into it a little bit on the Running
Interview show, but I want to do a deep dive
today on our podcast. So you're from a small town
in Illinois. And I said this to you on our run,
But I thought that I grew up in a small
town in New Jersey that had around twelve thousand people,
but you grew up in a town in Illinois that
had like twenty five hundred people. So I want you
to paint the picture for us of what it's like
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living in a small town like that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, there's not a lot to do, but I think
because of all that boredom, it's you know, gave me,
showed me my path, which was music. And as I
was growing up, I didn't my family didn't have cable.
We had like five TV channels that we could watch,
and so really the only thing to do was like
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drive around the cornfields and get drunk and listen to music.
And yeah, it's I still love going back to that town.
My parents still live in the home that I grew
up in, and it's really remote. There still is not
great internet connection out there, so when you go to
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that town, you really do kind of shut down. And
was talking about this the other day, it's like kids
today don't even know what it's like to experience boredom.
And I think it's such an important it's such an
important feeling to have. I mean, I grew up like
there just there wasn't a lot to do, so I
was a lot of using my imagination, a lot of
like playing outside in the woods. Yeah, I mean I
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remember reading like the Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry
Finn and that was like what I would do for
fun is just read books and play piano and guitar.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're the second person in the past two weeks that
has talked to me about the importance of boredom, and
it is so true. I feel like, especially as creative people,
to be able to sit with our thoughts and also
like calm our brains down a little bit. Like in
the world that we live in today, it's hard to
be bored.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but it is important. Yeah. I think all of
our nervous systems are just like caught in flight or fight.
Excuse me, because we just have all this information coming
at us all the time, and so I still try
to shut down. And that's really why I started running again.
(05:49):
I quit drinking about four years ago, and I just
did a lot of soul searching. I would I go
by myself on my runs and on my hikes, usually
every now and then I take my son, I drag
him along with me or my sister. But that's where
I go to kind of clear my head. And it
just kind of brought me back to so many of
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the things that I used to do in my childhood
and in my early twenties that I lost. I like
to go to a lot of state parks and yeah,
just I like to run on trails, like I'm more
of a trail runner, So it's fun to run in
the city.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, No, it's definitely a different experience running here in Brooklyn,
but I agree. I love when I can get to
a hiker trail just to be outside a little bit
more than being surrounded by buildings on your walks and hikes.
Do you listen to music or do you like to
be active in silence?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So a lot of times I do listen to music.
It makes it go quicker, and I've just been trying
to ingest more music lately. In general. Sometimes I'll listen
to a podcast, but I do like to just raw
dog it and just go out there and not listen
to anything. My mind wander, let my thoughts kind of ruminate. Yeah,
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I think that that's the lost art, and I also
really like listening to birds and bird watching, which makes
me sound like seventy year old woman.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
The best part about Margo is your personality is just
so fun because you're so sweet and kind and grounded.
It's also so clear that you love to have a
good time and be social and be with people. And
I'm sure performing for you is so much fun. When
you were growing up, was music something that was a
big part of your household or was it more of
an escape for you.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, my folks always had like the stereo going, like
in the summers, there would just be we would listen
to the radio a lot. Honestly. My mom listened to
a lot of like what was current at the time.
And my dad loves oldies. He loved like all the
music from sixties and seventies, and he did that thing
that like a lot of dads do. We're we're like
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driving in the car and it is like a pop quiz,
like you know, I'd be like, yeah, dad is Rod Stewart,
you know. Like but then, and my grandparents they loved
country music. And my great uncle was a songwriter in Nashville.
He's still around. He wrote songs for like George Jones,
Reeba McIntyre, Tanny Tucker, Charlie Pride and so that was,
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you know, also in my life. But I feel like
I didn't really fall in love with country music until later.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And your great uncle, and we're gonna we'll get to
this a little bit more. I kind of want to
go chronologically through your story. But your great uncle was
a big part of your journey in Nashville, right.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he moved to Nashville when he
was in his forties and he left like a straight
job and decided that he wanted to go be a songwriter.
How it ended up having, you know, a massive career.
But when I moved to Nashville, I think that, you know,
my mother kind of thought that he would plug me
into the social pipeline, and yeah, that really wasn't the case.
(08:59):
He I played with a few songs when I went
to his house, and he was like, you ain't got
a kid. You gotta keep working.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But it's support like that and honesty that got you
to where you are today.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, you need those blunt people in your life.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, you need a little kick to be like all right,
let me keep working. And I loved what you said
on our run that Nashville is you said a seven
year city, right.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah. A lot of people say, like, oh, it's a
five year town, but I always joked like, it's a
five year town, but I was there ten to twelve
years before anything really like picked up for me.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I spent a lot of time in La this past
winter running with people and filming the podcast, and one
of the most common things that people said to me
is La is a ten year city. With social media,
everybody's so obsessed with like instant gratification and you know,
getting things kind of immediately. But it's so nice to
be able to sit down and talk to people that
you know, have experience with putting in the work over
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a period of years and then making it happen totally.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I know it's going to sound corny, but it really
is about the journey, and like that was where I
developed my sound, was like going out and playing live shows,
playing dive bars, playing clubs. I think a lot of
people that are getting their start these days, it's amazing
that we have that as a tool to like kind
of bypass the gatekeepers. And I think there's so many
wonderful things about those formats but a lot of people,
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you know, then they end up like, oh, my first
gigs like at a stadium, and I've never played a club.
I don't know what a monitor is, I don't understand
how things should sound. And so I'm really grateful that
I kind of slummed it for twelve years because it
gave me a lot of character, gave me all my grit,
(10:45):
and yeah, I think my songwriting and my craft, I
just was able to hone it in during those During
those times.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
When you were in high school, when did you realize
that music was something that you wanted to take seriously?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Gosh, it was like probably middle school. I remember, like,
you know, the career day sheet that they had everybody
fill out, like what do you want to be when
you grow up? And I was like, I want to
be a singer and an actress. And the guidance counselor
was like, no, you can't do that, it's not jab
and so it was almost at that point that I
(11:23):
just had to play the devil's advocate and prove everybody wrong.
I got my first guitar when I was twelve years
old and kind of started learning chords and writing things
around then. But it wasn't really until I was about
twenty and I had been in college for a couple
of years that I had this psychedelic experience on psilocybin
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mushrooms and just knew that I wanted to be a musician.
And so like a month or two months later, I
dropped out of college and moved to Nashville and began
waiting tables.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I was gonna be like and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, Hey, you got to start somewhere. I mean, I
think there's a lot of Broadway stars in New York
where it's interesting how like different cities have kind of
different themes, but I feel like La and Nashville you
hear a lot about waiting tables, but same with like
Broadway stars in New York. There's this really famous diner
in New York where a lot of it's mainly the
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waitresses are Broadway singers, and they when you're there eating,
they sing, and it's yeah, and it's like the jobs
that they do kind of between having their gigs, and
I feel like there's just so much beauty in those experiences.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I actually got one of my first like bar gigs
was downtown Broadway, and I lied to get the job
because the woman who owned the bar. The bar is
called Leila's Bluegrass and it's still there and it's one
of the only good bars downtown. But she wouldn't hire
any musicians because she knows how flaky we are. And
(12:59):
I was like, oh no, I don't play music. And
then like a few months later, I got a gig
and like told her that, like my aunt died and
I had to leave. There's something, you know. I think
I made up some big lie. But I think everybody
should have to wait tables. I think it's just should
be part of our journey as humans, because everybody goes
out to eat in restaurants, but a lot of people
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don't know how to tip.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I waited tables when I was in college, and the
skills that you learn just by waiting tables and having
to like work with people and being in that fast
paced environment, it really is valuable.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I also realized that I am a really, really bad waitress, and.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Not in the sense that like I loved being customer
facing and like being with people, but I was just
very sloppy and all over the place, and I think
my brain is too chaotic to like be calm in
that setting.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's a lot, Yeah, a lot of input, a lot
of things to remember. It's you really get at multitasking.
It does, it does.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Did your parents always support your dream of being an
artist and your family? Like, did they always see it
for you?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
My mom definitely did. She was, like Lady Gaga says,
that one person in the world that pleaves to be.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, I don't know if I would still be doing
it if not for her support. I mean even now
she helps me take care of my kids when I'm gone,
and yeah, she always believed in me. She's my biggest fan.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Moms are the best.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I feel like you're I mean the town that you
grew up in, like the people that still live there
probably think it's so cool what you've gone on to do.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, it's fun when I go back and I'm like
just hanging out, uh in the YMCA, and.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What are you doing here for a while?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Did you feel like you didn't want to go back
home and you want to just kind of be in
Nashville working on your craft.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, there was definitely when my career was not taking off,
there was a lot of like old friends from high
school or people that were like kind of shit talking
to me, like, oh, she's never gonna make it, Like
why she's still there, Like why don't you just like
get married and have kids and like do the normal thing.
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But really that just like fueled me to want to
do it even more.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, the best type of fuel.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, when you've got haters, Yeah, it's like I just
have to prove them wrong and you have. Let's stand straight,
when you first moved to Nashville, you were waiting tables,
but then you started you became parts of part of
a band. Right, two bands. Let's talk about your band
experience and when you met Jeremy your husband.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So, yeah, I met my husband at a college party
where neither of us were going to school. It's Belmont University,
and showed up and there was just this really sad
guy on the couch playing bass, and I was like,
I'm gonna marry that guy. And I never had said
things like that in the past, but I was just
really drawn to him once we started co writing together
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that I don't know, that connection is just like it's
kind of unbreakable. He remembers songs that I've written twenty
years ago. It's like I just I couldn't imagine, couldn't
imagine it any other way. But it can also be challenging.
We've been in bands together, we've you know, we raised
kids together, and so it comes it comes with some challenges.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I will absolutely I just fired.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Him from my touring band.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay, what happened with the firing?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
She okay, Margo mentioned this on our run and my
husband She's like, I just fired my husband.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
We were talking about this on the run. Okay, So
what happened.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
How does Jeremy feel about being fired now after twenty
one years?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, no, I mean we're still we're still married, we're
still writing songs together, going to come out and play
a couple of shows this summer. But we did need
somebody to stay home with the kids and help my mother.
It's too much for her to do it all by herself.
And yeah, my band and I we had been together
for a very long time and he was part of
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that band. And when we broke up, I was like,
I'm sorry, but you're fired too. And it's been challenging.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
How are the fans going to feel about this? They're
gonna be like bring Jeremy back.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, I think I think it's it's good though, because
he also does his own music, and this like opens
up space for him to do his own thing, and
we have to realize that we are separate. People were
incredibly codependent. I mean, I've been with him my whole
adult life. We've been together for twenty one years. So
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it's nice to be able to just I mean, even
right now, I'm in New York, I'm all alone. How
does it feel awesome being a hotel room by myself?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
My gosh, No, it's so true.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's it's amazing to have a partner that you've seen
through so many stages of life. Like, it's so lucky
to be able to have that and to grow together
is just one of the coolest things, and like kind
of tackle life together. I know when we were running,
you said that you moved to Nashville with fifty seven
dollars to your name, right, and you know, you guys
ended up crushing it. But in those early years, like
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you expressed to me that you guys had spouts being homeless.
I know you had to sell your car and your
wedding ring at certain points. So let's talk about, you know,
the struggles that you guys went through early on as
you were making it work and making it happen, and
maybe paint that picture.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
For us a little bit of what that looked like.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Absolutely, so many odd jobs, like he was always a
cook and you know, whatever restaurant he could find, and
I would usually be bartending or waitressing. But yeah, we
lived paycheck to paycheck. We had the water turned off
all the time, the gas turned out. We're both very
disorganized as well, so it becomes hard to navigate all
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those regular life things when you're just focused on songwriting
all the time and chasing the dream. And we've come
out on the other side, but we carry all those
hard times with us. I you know, it completely defined
who I was, and so I don't take a second
of it for granted.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And that really is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And without those experiences and those hardships that you went through,
your music wouldn't be as personal as it is today.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Absolutely, I think, you know, we we got to travel
a lot before we had children as well. We like
lived in a nineteen eighty six Winnebago and toured the
whole country. We set up an entire tour under a
fake manager's name and having those experiences like it's just
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something I'll never forget, and you know, being like busking
on the street, and we would usually like busk until
we had enough money for a meal and a bottle
of wine, and then we would go sleep in a
tent and wake up and do it all over again.
This was in like Boulder, Colorado. But then he also
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before I met him, he was like homeless in Boston
for a while. He traveled everywhere, and I was just
always really drawn to that way of life, Like I
would rather be poor and tappy than like working in
a job that I don't like and to do something
that I don't connect to.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I feel like creative people have that in common because
I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You moved to Nashville in twenty eleven, is that right?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Or actually it was two thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Oh okay, Yeah, so you moved to Nashville two thousand
and three and your music really really took off in twenty.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Fifteen, is that right?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So during those early years, like, what was the journey
like to finding your voice?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Absolutely? I feel like I emulated a lot of different
singers before I found my voice and.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
What singers were emulating.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, like songwriting, why is like Gillian Walch Loosen to Williams.
They're kind of big pillars for me. And then of course,
like I love older country like Dolly Parton and Loretta Lynn.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I was hoping you'd say Dolly Parton. I was hoping
you'd say it on our run because I love Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I love Dolly so much. She's amazing, and really it
took me a while to get into her, but people
would always say your voice kind of sounds like Dolly Parton.
It has this like tambour Like sometimes my daughter and
I will be walking and a Dolly Parton song will
come on wherever we're at. She'll be like, Mommy, it's you,
And I'm like, oh, that's the best compliment ever. Mana.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You know, it's funny because not only does your singing
voice resemble hers, but you also have such a sweetness
and just your voice in general.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
To people tell you that you have like the cutest voice.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Thank you. I hate hearing myself speak.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
No, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
We'll see how this goes when I listen to it back.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
You're so soft spoken and like there's actually this actress.
I'm blanking on her name, but your voice reminds me
a lot of her. How would you describe your sound?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's so hard to be like boxed in by a genre,
especially I think country music can come with some negative connotations,
not you know, not for everybody. But I think people
see rock as one thing and country is one thing.
It can be, you know, two very different things. But
I love country music and I love rock and roll.
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I just love a lot of older music, anything from
like the sixties to the nineties. I love Tom Petty,
I love Fleetwood Mac, I love led Zeppelin, I love
the Blues, I love you know, folk music. I definitely
feel like John Bias and Bob Dylan Odetta, those early
you know, fifty sixties like folk revival like that inspired
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me a lot. But maybe the easiest way to describe
my music in current terms would be like Americana, which
I think is just like root music. It's just like organic,
natural instruments. I don't like a lot of like digital
sounding things. I don't like auto tune. I don't like
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drum machines and click tracks, although I have used them
in the past. But this album that I'm putting out
in August is really a return to organic sounds. And
the producer that I worked with, his name is Matt
Ross Spang, and he produced my first two albums and
they were just all done live, me and the band
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all in the room together, and that's what I wanted
to get back to this time. So like we had
no no click track or anything in our ears. It
was just like us feeling the music, just like when
we play live.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I feel like what you just said is why so
many people that historically have loved like pop music, Like
I feel like I grew up listening to pop music.
I grew up in New Jersey, right outside of New York,
and like pop, hip hop was what we listened to
on the radio here, like DRA two thousand. Yeah, Snoop
Dogg like those Oh my God Snoop Dogg is Snoop
(24:21):
dog is in a genre of his own.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yes, I'm obsessed with them.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So sorry, I just derailed you. You were saying like, yeah,
you grew up listening to pop, and yeah, maybe country
music wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah you bring up Snoop Dogg in my mind is
now racing in a different direction. I'm obsessed with them.
We'll come back to that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I feel like what you just said is part of
the reason why country is also having such a moment
right now and is growing so much in its fandom,
because it is such a return to this like non
digital type of music, right Like it's the natural elements,
like the natural instruments and sounds and real voices, not
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so auto tuned, you know, totally. I don't know if
the good country music, But how do you feel about
the trend of country music, Like is it so fun
for you to see people like post Malone dabbling into country.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I think it's amazing that everybody is turned on to
country music. I think the same thing kind of happened
in the well, you know, it's it's all cyclical, Like
you go back and you look at like, you know,
like Share doing country music, and like that was kind
of what happened. You had like Rhinestone Cowboy, and it
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really becomes like a part of the culture. But it
can I'm a little picky. I won't shit talk anybody,
but I definitely don't like things that sound too digital
or too like auto tuned. And so there's I think
there's really like great artists out there doing it. And
then I think there's other people that are like maybe
hopping on a bandwagon, But that's okay, every everybody. They're
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not hurting anybody, They're just trying to express themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So I think that's a completely fair take on it.
Like you love you love real country music, you know,
and I think it must be it's like flattering to
see other artists like inspired by it. But I totally
get what you're meaning in terms of like what you
gravitate towards your especially right now with your new album.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I'm sure that's like the type of music that you
want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I have this note written down, and I just I
hardly know what it means because I am not familiar
with honky tonk culture.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Nice, what is honky talk culture?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And did it contribute to the rise of your career
in twenty fifteen?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, I think, you know, like a honky tonk is
just like a place where there's hopefully a live band playing,
you know, dancing and jukeboxes. It's those are the kind
of bars that I like. Even now I don't drink,
I still love to go to bars. I still love
to go to like old dives and like especially in Texas, Like,
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people are such good dancers there. I love seeing that
come back into the culture because I think it's one
of the one of the lost arts. Like people used
to dance. That's how people like used to meet their
partners and'd be like, oh, we were dancing. So that's
really cool to see that like come back. Even in Nashville,
Like there's just so many people that like to go
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out and like catch a live band, Like here's something
that connects with them, makes them feel human, makes them
forget about their problems for just a minute, right.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I loved on our run when we touched on psychedelics
and guys for the people listening.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Just to give you a little.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Picture, Margo had the cutest fanny pack on coach. Fanny
pack embroidered shout out coach embroidered with these little mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So I was like, I have to ask about the mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, And you have been open about utilizing psychedelics as
a lot of artists do to help with your creative
writing process. So explain how that works and like what
that looks like as an artist and how it shows
up in your music.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I don't even know if I would be a
musician if it wouldn't have been for that, Like first
trip that I took when I was twenty, I just
knew at that point that that was my life's path.
And then since then, I've I've taken a lot of
journeys and a lot of different a lot of different substances. Yeah, Molly,
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things like that I've been so good for trauma, for
like just rewiring your brain. I think, you know, we
get really stuck in these patterns, and psychedelics and you know,
microdosing and things like that have just like completely transformed
who I am as a person. Even you know, giving
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up alcohol was happened for me through a psychedelic experience.
I just it was something that I'd been struggling with
for a while, and I took this trip and I
was like, I just don't think I needed anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
When it comes to writing your music and your songwriting process,
like what does that look like for you?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
All songs are kind of like born into the world
in different ways. Sometimes it will be like a conversation
or like something that somebody says in passing and I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna write that down. Other Times it's just like
you know, a melody will come to you. I think
you really have to be still though, for the muse
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to come visit you, because if you're constantly looking at
your phone ingesting too much from the outside world, like
your mind can't be still enough to hear what's going on.
They're all different. My husband and I write a lot together.
We have like just this incredible way that we can,
I don't know, communicate like telepathically almost, and it's a
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really special thing to be able to write with somebody. Yeah,
you just got to watch what you say when you're
around me, because I they might make a song out
of it. You never know. We always joke or like
change change a word, get a third is like the
Nashville saying, if somebody just even interjects one thing. But yeah,
there's song ideas like floating all around us as you
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never know.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I forget what artist it was. Maybe it was Michael Jackson.
I don't know. That said.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Creative ideas are like books at a library and you
can only check them out for so long before somebody
else takes it. And it has something to do with songwriting,
and like I mean, I think it can be applied
to so many different things.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
But is that true a songwriting?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Like have you ever had an idea for a song
and then you didn't act on it and you heard it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I was working on a song called California Sober, which
is like just like a phrase that people have been
saying more recently, and before I could get into the studio,
like Billy Strings released a song called California Sober. I
definitely think ideas are always out there, and you do
have to move fast, you have to have to get
that trademark going. But at the same time, this is
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something Jack White said a long time ago, which is like,
you know, everybody's trying so hard to be like original
and come up with new sounds or whatever, but there
is something that is so powerful about like tradition and
carrying on what other people have built before you and
just really just building off of that. That's why I
like things that are more rooted, more classic sounding. I
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mean it all kind of stems from the blues and
from like even old like Gaelic folk songs and things
like these melodies have been around for centuries, and I
love being able to take an old idea and make
it new again. I mean, Bob Dylan was like King
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of that. You know, he had the quote that was
like amateur's borrow professional steel, and whether it's like a
melody that you've heard before, or just like a drum beat,
or even a phrase or saying, like my newest single
was called don't let the Bastards get You Down, and
I kind of got turned onto that phrase from Chris Christofferson.
(32:07):
It was something he said to Sinead O'Connor when she
was being booed off the stage in New York at
the Bob Dylan tribute after she ripped up the picture
of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. So I was like,
I heard that phrase from him, but I believe the
phrase was originated in World War Two, and and then
you know, Margaret Atwood put it into The Handmaid's Tale,
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and I'm sure that Chris, you know, he was an
avid reader and he was a historian, so I was
like he got it from there. And then when I
started writing my song, I was like, well, I'm just
going to give Chris a writing credit on it and
just kind of yeah, keep the tradition alive, keep.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Like the meaning too.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I mean so much significance. That's so cool, yeah, I
completely agree with drawing inspo from people, especially when it
comes to a melody. Like it's interesting that you say that,
but I feel like, then when you listen to your
songs and you hear a melody that is similar in
a way to like nostalogic.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Songs, you want to like get down to it, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
There's something really beautiful about like the way our brains
translate music.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Its music is one of the only things that turns
on your whole brain at once. I don't know. There's
just a lot of science that shows that when you're
playing and you're playing an instrument and you're singing, it
activates your whole entire brain. It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Pick up an instrument. Everybody should. Everybody should play.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
What's your favorite instrument.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I like to play the guitar the most, but I
play drums, I play piano, I play mandolin. I just
started taking violin lessons with my daughter. In my whole life,
I've been saying I want to play the violin.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yes, yes, Oh my god. The day that you get
on stage and you're playing the violin while performing, I
will be there freaking out. Because the violin is like
my favorite instrument, the violin and the bagpipes. A little
bit of Irish in my roots, so I love the bagpipes,
but there's something about the violin that is just so cool.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It is magical.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
What would be your advice to aspiring artists that are
currently trying to find their sound.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I would say, yeah, try out everything. I always I
like learning covers because it's kind of like trying on
a like a suit and being like, oh, I like
how this fits, and then you can kind of figure
out how to like make your own version of that.
(34:34):
And also just be prepared to be told no a
lot and get your heart broken. Be prepared. But I
think if you really love it and it makes you happy,
like you just keep following that path and hopefully things
will come your way, and even if it doesn't end
up being a career, Like I said, I just think
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that music is for everybody. Everybody should play something, everybody should,
you know, paint and draw. And it's like as we
get older, we think like that you can't do those things,
or like something's not worth doing if you're not profiting
financially off it. But sometimes when things become a job.
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It actually can strip away some of the joy. So
I have to really check myself a lot and like
not get lost in the Like, Oh, am I popular enough?
Do I have enough followers on social media?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Do people like what I'm doing? Fuck them? Do I
like what I'm doing? That's what matters?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Does it fulfill me? Does it make me feel good
when I do it?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah? Am I creatively inspired?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Like? Am I passionate about what I'm putting out it?
It's so important. It's like, do good work and the
rest will follow. If you build it, they will come
right field of dream or you'll evolve through building it
and they'll come to something else.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Absolutely. There was this sound guy in Arizona. I played
a show there. Oh gosh, twenty years ago on my
first tour that I was telling you about where we
were in a Winnebago and we booked it all under
a fake manager's name, and uh, this sound guy, I
just I remember what he said to me, even though
it was so long ago. He was just telling me
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he was man explaining how to wrap cables because I
wasn't doing it the right way and he was holding
up the cord and he was like, its shape will
reveal itself. And I say that to myself like once
a week, because sometimes you go into something you don't
know what's going to be. It's like you're you're building
a plane while simultaneously learning how to fly it. And yeah,
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sometimes you don't know what your path is until you
try a million other things that don't work.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, it's it's so so true.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Because we're in New York, I have to ask you
about SNL and I know we talked about it a
little bit on our run and we talked about how
you performed on SNL and you were the musical guest.
But what really stood out to me was what you
said about the one thing that people don't know as
my about but the artists and you know, the actors
get to experience comedians and that's the after party.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
What does Margo as a party girl look like?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
We see, Like I said, I don't drink anymore, but
I still do drugs, but just the good ones. I yeah,
back when we were playing SNL, though I was drinking.
It was like my bourbon whiskey.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Phase and so country.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, we were hanging out with Russell Crowe at the
party afterwards because he was the host, and he kept
taking my bourbon out of my hand and making me
these like papaya juice vodka drinks. And yeah, there was
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some other things that we imbibed in that I probably
can't talk about, shouldn't talk about. But yeah, the night
before Saturday Night Live, I went out and actually kind
of threw down on accident. I was really stressed out.
There were some people bullying me online, and so I
kind of went down a dark path the night before
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us and all. But it all turned out great and
the performance went off like Gangbusters was. Nobody was injured,
we all survived. But yeah, I have a memoir. You
can read in the memoir what we specifically did. At
the after party. We were, yeah, being driven around by
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a chauffeur and there was like paparazzi and it was
it was really fun. It was a wild night. I
think the probably around six am, me and the band
and a few of my girlfriends. We were all just
like laying on the street, like on the New York
City streets, and we were just like smoking cigarettes on
the ground and we're like on top of the world.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Pretty pretty wild experience, Pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, Well, like I said, I won't go to details,
but you can get my memoir. It's called maybe We'll
Make It All.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I love that you brought up your memoir because that's
the next thing that I want wanted to ask you about.
So first let's touch on don't let the Bastards get
you down. So I want to connect this a little
bit into what you said earlier, earlier about when you
were first charting out and you were struggling as an
artist in Nashville, as everybody starts out as a struggling artist,
especially when you're in Nashville or LA, and you had
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haters from your hometown when you were writing Don't let
the Bastards get you down?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Who were the bastards?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Who are the bastards? That is my favorite question. Just
bastards everywhere, changes depending on the day. But fair this
kind of a song written about like how predatory the
music business is to tell you the truth and you
think that like you know, I made it. Now everything's
like everything's good, but it's it's a lot to navigate
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and I you know, kind of always would say like, oh,
I'm not a good business person, Like now I'm coming
into my power and like I'm in my forties, I
have less tolerance for bullshit, and it feels really empowering
to take control of my finances and just everything in
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my life. You know, I feel like the bastards that
was who they were when I was writing the song.
But you know, it's not like there's a line in it.
It's like, don't let the bastards get you down, don't
sell your heart to a businessman. He'll sell it back
next time around. And then it's you look at these
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supposedly grown men that are just like, you know, money hungry,
focused on the wrong things, taking away people's rights. It's
the song could very easily be about any number of
businessmen or any number of people that are pushing anybody around.
I want it to be like a battle cry for people.
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It's nice to have something, it's like, you know, to
have a rally cry that like unites people and brings
people together and maybe can be like a call to action.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, And that's my favorite part about music is it
brings people together, and especially when there's a message behind
it that's really empowering, it you know, makes it all
the better. I like that you touched on being a
business woman and it's been so fun even just to
see you today with your team, Like you're such a leader,
Like you're so on top of everything that's going on.
And today's a big day, guys. Margo's sitting here with
me today, but this is a big day.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You launched.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Don't let the bastards get you down today. Across streaming networks, right,
it's on Spotify, it's on out, it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
So the song is out. It's out, it's out.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, And it has been so cool to witness that
a little bit behind the scenes and see what goes
into it for somebody listening that is an artist or
wants to get into the industry, Like what is like
the business side of it, Like what goes into launching?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, you have to do so much planning in order
to get music out that you have to really stay.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Focus because yeah, and you have to have the right
people around you, you really do.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I've got a really, really great team around me, and
I've worked with so many wonderful people over the years,
and not everybody has been an asshole, for sure, but
I think, Yeah, my advice for anyone going into it
today is just like keep your songwriting, you know, don't
don't sell your don't sell your songwriting credits and unless
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you get like a huge deal, like I think Zach
Bryan just sold his catalog for three hundred and fifty million,
probably because AI is like maybe going to just take
away a lot of stuff or like, I don't know,
there's a lot of things going on with copywriting right
now as well.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
How do you think AI is going to transform the
music industry?
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, I don't think it's going to be for the better, unfortunately,
I think, I mean, I don't even understand how they
have the rights to do it, because it's like they've
already got but every song that like anyone's ever written,
and I think it's just gonna be so hard to yeah,
(43:09):
to copyright things and just to appreciate originality. I mean,
computers don't have souls, so I don't you know, there's
been a lot of thought like, oh, maybe it's not
gonna be that bad, but like you can go to
just chat GPT and just be like, write me a
song in the style of Margo Price called this, and
then they can go and take everything I've ever done
(43:31):
and regurgitate it in this way that is not human.
And I I'm honestly pretty scared about it. I hope
that Congress, hope somebody will try to protect us, but.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's gonna have to don't regulate it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's gonna have to be regulated.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
But I do have to say this too, and I
talk to a lot of founders and actually the first
founders that ever said this to me. I don't know
if you're familiar with Lavine Bakery. It's pronouncial event. Actually
I learned that on the walk. And it's like, the
key to any successful thing or business is.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
The love and the soul behind it. And it can
be as simple as making a good chocolate chip cookie.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
It's like, well, most chocolate chip cookies kind of taste,
it's pretty standard, but there's for some reason is considered
the best.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
And they're like, it's no.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Different than ingredients of other chocolate chip cookies, but there's
just a whole lot of love and hard work that
was poured into them.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Hopefully we can, yeah, we can keep the soul in
everything that we do, but yeah, I don't know. It's
just it's really it's dangerous. And I worry about the
the ecological footprint that it's leaving as well, because I
think AI takes like a lot of water and a
lot of energy to produce. So I just want everybody
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to really think about it. Is this, do I have
to ask chat GPT this question or could I figure
it out with my own brain? And I've used it
as well, you know, I have. I've asked it questions.
But I'm learning about it as I'm going and so
I think just even knowing how much like water it's
(45:10):
using is it makes me mindful of just going in
there and asking it questions. Yeah, I didn't even know
that this is uncharted territory. We don't know what we're doing,
and I guess twenty years from now we're going to
be like, Okay, this is this was where society really
went you a dark place.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Twenty twenty five is literally the year of AI.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Never would have expected that. Okay, well, let's talk about
your memoir. In twenty twenty two, you wrote a memoir.
I'm curious what made you finally want to write a
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memoir and put your experiences into words on paper and
start writing.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah. I wanted to be able to remember all of
these like huge pivotal moments and like how I felt
at the time and I really was. I kind of
started doing it for myself, but I've always loved reading
musicians memoirs like Patti Smith probably is my favorite writer,
(46:26):
and Just Kids is what made me think, like, Wow,
you can write a memoir like this and it can
be like this poetic and this beautiful and this vulnerable,
and I just that was kind of after finishing that book,
that was what made me start doing it. But I
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also had gotten pregnant with my daughter. I was off
the road and I needed something to keep me busy
and keep me like creatively fed. So that was that
was when it started. And then COVID hit and I
was like, oh, I have a lot of time to
write a memoir.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
How did I know?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
The memoir was deeply personal, to the point where even
some names you swapped in for like fake names.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
How did the people in your life feel about the book?
Like did your family and friends read it? And were
they happy with how you spoke about them? Like what
was that kind of process like, because that's the thing
that I always think about with memoirs. I'm like, you
have to be honest and you have to be real,
and not all experiences are good ones.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, my publishers, and like my editor. I didn't have
a ghostwriter like many musicians do, but I had an
editor and the publishers and they read it and they
were like, wow, you're accusing an awful lot of people
are doing drugs, so we better make sure that we
either change names or get their approval. For the most part,
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and nobody was upset at me, and I did keep
some things about my family. I Dolly Parton always says,
always save something for yourself, and you know, while it
was very vulnerable, I talked about me husband and I
losing a child. I talked about my struggles with alcohol.
I talked about our marital problems. You know, I was
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in a band prior, and I always kind of joked
like we were like Fleetwood Mac without the success, So
you can fill in the blanks with what happened there.
But my husband supported me and being completely transparent about
what we went through after we lost the baby. I
survived a trauma that like nobody should have to survive
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and came out on the other side like thriving. And
there's a couple people whose names I changed who I
haven't spoken to, but we were already kind of like
not speaking, but everybody else was really supportive, my mom
and my family. There's a lot of things I think
that my family learned about me that they did not
(49:02):
know until the book came out. And I think some
of my other family members just maybe having even read it,
which is probably good. It's for their own protection, Like
Grandma doesn't need to know all the people I slept
with about my acid trip.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
You know, there is something so beautiful though about your
family and your close friends and you know, your fans
knowing these intimate things about you, because there's so much
relatability in heart experiences, whether like people have lived the
same traumas or ones that were equally as traumatic for them.
(49:37):
I just think it's like a beautiful thing. If you
don't mind, I would love to talk a little bit about,
you know, your baby and what happened.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, so I had twins. I had twin boys, and
one of them had a heart defect and he went
through a surgery at Vanderbilt Hospital and they put in
the wrong size stint and he didn't make it. And
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if he would have survived those first surgeries, they said
he only would have lived to be like thirty, which
would have been maybe even more difficult. I've met so
many parents who have also lost children. I've also just
connected with people through grief in this really beautiful way,
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like you know, people coming to concerts or shows and
getting to meet them while signing records and stuff, and
they'll say, like, you know, I lost my husband or
I lost my mother, and this song helped me through
this really dark time. And I think I think that
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that is the really beautiful thing about grief is that
it can bring people together. And like I said that,
it's how you move through it, and it's how you
decide to grow. And we're all just here for a
short time. You know, nothing, nothing is promised to us.
I think when you live with death in the forefront
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of your mind, it actually really allows you to be
more present and to like enjoy all the little things.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Was it hard for you to make the decision too,
because I know you you know, spoke about the experience
in your music and your memoir, but you know in
your music first, was it hard to make that decision
to talk about this experience because it's like deeply personal
and just horrible.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, it's kind of sadistic to like write a song
where you're reliving some of your yeah, darkest moments, but I.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Feel like it's therapeutic though.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
It is. It really is. Music has has been my
therapy for a very long time, and I don't know
where i'd be if I didn't have that as like
a processing tool. Of course I've done like real therapy
and stuff as well, but yeah, being able to kind
of talk about some of those darker moments through song,
(52:13):
it's it's just invaluable.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
When you were in the writing process writing your memoir,
and I want to make sure we said the name
of your memoir. I know we said at the beginning,
said it at the beginning of this podcast, but just
for anybody listening, the title of your memoir is maybe
We'll make it. And the paperback version is coming out
really soon, which is exciting.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
What was the biggest lesson you learned while you were
writing your memoir?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
So when I began writing the memoir, I was still drinking,
and then I became pregnant, and then I had my daughter,
and then COVID like war on and everything, and there
was no real like ending. It was like where do
I end this? I really kind of just wanted it
to be about those like formative years of us living
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in Nashville, because it was just like it was more
interesting to talk about the struggle than the like all
the cool people have got to hang out with, like
Willie Nelson.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
But it's like you're when you're in that struggle, it's
it's like you just can't wait for you for like
the balloon to pop and finally like you're living this
life that you've been dreaming and working so hard towards.
And then you're like, yeah, but actually the cooler parts
were the hustle and you know, so much.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Fun, the journey on time. Yeah, we had like a
really great group of friends and bands that we hung
out with. And yeah, I think there's I'm going to
be quoting my own book, but I talk about how
we were all loser poets, like trying to keep our
heads above the water and the booze. But we I
don't know if we were all so connected, And yeah,
(53:49):
I really I kind of sometimes I do miss the
good old battle days.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, and I think that's a good learning for you know,
the people listening.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
That are in your sheep, the shoes that you were in.
Then you know, to just take a second and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yeah, enjoy every bit of it.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
There's a lot of beauty in the process.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Let's talk about farm Aid because you are the first
female board member.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Congratulations, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Tell us a little bit about farm Aid, what you
guys do, and kind of the purpose behind it and
how it started, because there's a really interesting story there.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
So during the farming crisis of the mid nineteen eighties,
my family lost their farm. My father, his brothers, my grandparents,
and all of my uncles. It was really traumatic experience
for them, and it was always kind of there, like
when I was growing up as like the elephant in
the room that nobody talked about it because it was
(54:48):
just too painful. And I've tried to like go back
and collect the details on how they lost the farm.
Like I know there was a drought, but there was
also a lot of stuff with like the government and
loans and corrupt people in my town and like a
banker who kind of was to blame for some of it.
But it's always a man. It's always some dude in
(55:10):
town that's like laundering money. But I became the first
female board member of farm Aid after being able to
perform at those concerts, and I just feel like the
organization is so ahead of their time. The first farm
Aid was forty years ago. We're about to have the
(55:30):
forty year anniversary coming up in Minneapolis this fall. But
it just feels like a really full circle moment because
of what my family went through and just being able
to give back to farmers and the people who are
literally growing our food. I see a lot of similarities
between deciding to be a farmer and deciding to become
(55:53):
a musician, because it's really it's not stable, like you know,
financially and everything. You just it's dependent on so many
different things, and like a career in music, it takes
the perfect climate for everything to grow and to bloom.
And I think you know farmers as well, where they
(56:16):
have some of the highest like suicide rates unfortunately, and
this current administration as well is taking away a lot
of things that help those people. And yeah, it's unfortunate.
So I'm happy that we can get back, and I'm
happy just to go out there and say like, hey,
it's really important where you buy your food from, where
(56:40):
we purchase things in general, Like I know it's so
easy to just get things off of Amazon and to
order your groceries from whatever Whole Foods who is also Amazon.
But if you see a farmer's market, just stop, stop
and purchase something. And yeah, every little bit, every little
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bit helps.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
I love knowing that you're going back to your roots
with it in a way.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's it's funny because I grew up in New Jersey
and you know, I've been living in New York City
for the past ten years, and it's just I love
meeting people that grew up in such different environments than me,
because like growing up, the parents in my town, like
they came to the city for work, and some of
them were doctors, lawyers, you know, business people in all
different sects, whether it was marketing or working in the
(57:29):
music industry or you know, in finance, and they just
all had really traditional, like in the office jobs.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
But it's so cool how.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
When you grow up in different areas, like you're just
around different industries and your experience growing up like in
a small town with your dad was a farmer, right, Yeah,
I mean that is just it's so fascinating to me.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
I always wanted I always thought where I was from
was very boring. It was just all cornfields, all bean
fields and you know, cattle whatever. I always wanted to,
like live in the city. It was such a mystery
to me. It was like, what are people doing in
California and New York? That's right, I want to be.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
They're literally sitting at their computers typing away. You know,
your experience was It's funny, there's yeah, it's all. It's
like when you have curly hair and you want strade hair.
You have straight hair, you want curly hair. Right, it's
but there's beauty and everybody's unique experience. This conversation was amazing.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Thank you so much for having me.
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What is up?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Runner Gang, Welcome back to Post Run High. Today's guest
is country singer Margot Price. We ran through the streets
of New York before sitting down to talk about how
she went from a small town in Illinois to making
a name for herself in Nashville. If you're new here,
this podcast is all about inspiring conversations that start with movement,
because we believe movement opens people up and weighs nothing
(00:26):
else does. And today we kick things off with a
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
Margot Price, Welcome to Post Run High.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Margo and I just went for a one mile run
through Brooklyn. I found out that you like to run,
and I have to say you had by far the
best breath control out of a lot of the people
we have on the running interview show.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Hey must be all the treadmill singing workouts that I do.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Just kidding. How are you feeling post run feel great?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I needed that. I've been on summer break with my kids,
so I haven't been able to go do my ritual
of disappearing in the woods and running.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Like, how does that change things for you when your
kids get out of school and all of a sudden
they're at home during the day.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, makes it hard sometimes to shower and do things
that humans need to do. But I usually take them
to a park and end up like running around and
climbing on the playground equipment with them, trying to try
to move my body no matter what.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And I know you have two kids. How old are they?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I have a fourteen year old boy and a six
year old girl.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Wow, teenager?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep, teenager and basically like a kindergartener their first grade.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Okay, wow, so young? And you live in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I live in Nashville. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And this is a big day for you because not
only did we go for a rent together, but you
are currently dropping the news that you have a new
album coming out August twenty ninth.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
August twenty ninth, Hard Headed Woman for singles out today.
It's called Don't let the Bastards Get You Down. It
feels fitting with the state of the world.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I guess what is going through your mind right now
as you're dropping a new song, like is there are
there emotions that come with that, like walk us through
kind of what's going on today.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, it's been a long time coming. It always feels like,
you know, I started writing the songs and recording so
long ago. So yeah, a lot of anticipation and I'm
just excited to get the music and back to the fans.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
How long have you been working on this album.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
For It's been about three years in the making. Just
I really want to to spend the time on this
record and make sure that I had everything exactly the
way that I wanted it. In the past, i've kind of,
I don't want to say, rushed things, but you know,
it didn't spend as much time as I wanted. And
so yeah, it was nice to be in the studio.
(03:17):
We recorded it in Nashville. All my prior records were
recorded in like Memphis or Los Angeles, and so this
album we were just able to work on it like
at home at my leisure.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You have such an interesting story.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We tapped into it a little bit on the Running
Interview show, but I want to do a deep dive
today on our podcast. So you're from a small town
in Illinois. And I said this to you on our run,
But I thought that I grew up in a small
town in New Jersey that had around twelve thousand people,
but you grew up in a town in Illinois that
had like twenty five hundred people. So I want you
to paint the picture for us of what it's like
(03:52):
living in a small town like that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, there's not a lot to do, but I think
because of all that boredom, it's you know, gave me,
showed me my path, which was music. And as I
was growing up, I didn't my family didn't have cable.
We had like five TV channels that we could watch,
and so really the only thing to do was like
(04:17):
drive around the cornfields and get drunk and listen to music.
And yeah, it's I still love going back to that town.
My parents still live in the home that I grew
up in, and it's really remote. There still is not
great internet connection out there, so when you go to
(04:38):
that town, you really do kind of shut down. And
was talking about this the other day, it's like kids
today don't even know what it's like to experience boredom.
And I think it's such an important it's such an
important feeling to have. I mean, I grew up like
there just there wasn't a lot to do, so I
was a lot of using my imagination, a lot of
like playing outside in the woods. Yeah, I mean I
(04:59):
remember reading like the Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry
Finn and that was like what I would do for
fun is just read books and play piano and guitar.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're the second person in the past two weeks that
has talked to me about the importance of boredom, and
it is so true. I feel like, especially as creative people,
to be able to sit with our thoughts and also
like calm our brains down a little bit. Like in
the world that we live in today, it's hard to
be bored.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but it is important. Yeah. I think all of
our nervous systems are just like caught in flight or fight.
Excuse me, because we just have all this information coming
at us all the time, and so I still try
to shut down. And that's really why I started running again.
(05:49):
I quit drinking about four years ago, and I just
did a lot of soul searching. I would I go
by myself on my runs and on my hikes, usually
every now and then I take my son, I drag
him along with me or my sister. But that's where
I go to kind of clear my head. And it
just kind of brought me back to so many of
(06:11):
the things that I used to do in my childhood
and in my early twenties that I lost. I like
to go to a lot of state parks and yeah,
just I like to run on trails, like I'm more
of a trail runner, So it's fun to run in
the city.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, No, it's definitely a different experience running here in Brooklyn,
but I agree. I love when I can get to
a hiker trail just to be outside a little bit
more than being surrounded by buildings on your walks and hikes.
Do you listen to music or do you like to
be active in silence?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So a lot of times I do listen to music.
It makes it go quicker, and I've just been trying
to ingest more music lately. In general. Sometimes I'll listen
to a podcast, but I do like to just raw
dog it and just go out there and not listen
to anything. My mind wander, let my thoughts kind of ruminate. Yeah,
(07:04):
I think that that's the lost art, and I also
really like listening to birds and bird watching, which makes
me sound like seventy year old woman.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
The best part about Margo is your personality is just
so fun because you're so sweet and kind and grounded.
It's also so clear that you love to have a
good time and be social and be with people. And
I'm sure performing for you is so much fun. When
you were growing up, was music something that was a
big part of your household or was it more of
an escape for you.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, my folks always had like the stereo going, like
in the summers, there would just be we would listen
to the radio a lot. Honestly. My mom listened to
a lot of like what was current at the time.
And my dad loves oldies. He loved like all the
music from sixties and seventies, and he did that thing
that like a lot of dads do. We're we're like
(07:55):
driving in the car and it is like a pop quiz,
like you know, I'd be like, yeah, dad is Rod Stewart,
you know. Like but then, and my grandparents they loved
country music. And my great uncle was a songwriter in Nashville.
He's still around. He wrote songs for like George Jones,
Reeba McIntyre, Tanny Tucker, Charlie Pride and so that was,
(08:19):
you know, also in my life. But I feel like
I didn't really fall in love with country music until later.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And your great uncle, and we're gonna we'll get to
this a little bit more. I kind of want to
go chronologically through your story. But your great uncle was
a big part of your journey in Nashville, right.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he moved to Nashville when he
was in his forties and he left like a straight
job and decided that he wanted to go be a songwriter.
How it ended up having, you know, a massive career.
But when I moved to Nashville, I think that, you know,
my mother kind of thought that he would plug me
into the social pipeline, and yeah, that really wasn't the case.
(08:59):
He I played with a few songs when I went
to his house, and he was like, you ain't got
a kid. You gotta keep working.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But it's support like that and honesty that got you
to where you are today.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, you need those blunt people in your life.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, you need a little kick to be like all right,
let me keep working. And I loved what you said
on our run that Nashville is you said a seven
year city, right.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah. A lot of people say, like, oh, it's a
five year town, but I always joked like, it's a
five year town, but I was there ten to twelve
years before anything really like picked up for me.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I spent a lot of time in La this past
winter running with people and filming the podcast, and one
of the most common things that people said to me
is La is a ten year city. With social media,
everybody's so obsessed with like instant gratification and you know,
getting things kind of immediately. But it's so nice to
be able to sit down and talk to people that
you know, have experience with putting in the work over
(09:56):
a period of years and then making it happen totally.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I know it's going to sound corny, but it really
is about the journey, and like that was where I
developed my sound, was like going out and playing live shows,
playing dive bars, playing clubs. I think a lot of
people that are getting their start these days, it's amazing
that we have that as a tool to like kind
of bypass the gatekeepers. And I think there's so many
wonderful things about those formats but a lot of people,
(10:24):
you know, then they end up like, oh, my first
gigs like at a stadium, and I've never played a club.
I don't know what a monitor is, I don't understand
how things should sound. And so I'm really grateful that
I kind of slummed it for twelve years because it
gave me a lot of character, gave me all my grit,
(10:45):
and yeah, I think my songwriting and my craft, I
just was able to hone it in during those During
those times.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
When you were in high school, when did you realize
that music was something that you wanted to take seriously?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Gosh, it was like probably middle school. I remember, like,
you know, the career day sheet that they had everybody
fill out, like what do you want to be when
you grow up? And I was like, I want to
be a singer and an actress. And the guidance counselor
was like, no, you can't do that, it's not jab
and so it was almost at that point that I
(11:23):
just had to play the devil's advocate and prove everybody wrong.
I got my first guitar when I was twelve years
old and kind of started learning chords and writing things
around then. But it wasn't really until I was about
twenty and I had been in college for a couple
of years that I had this psychedelic experience on psilocybin
(11:47):
mushrooms and just knew that I wanted to be a musician.
And so like a month or two months later, I
dropped out of college and moved to Nashville and began
waiting tables.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I was gonna be like and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, Hey, you got to start somewhere. I mean, I
think there's a lot of Broadway stars in New York
where it's interesting how like different cities have kind of
different themes, but I feel like La and Nashville you
hear a lot about waiting tables, but same with like
Broadway stars in New York. There's this really famous diner
in New York where a lot of it's mainly the
(12:26):
waitresses are Broadway singers, and they when you're there eating,
they sing, and it's yeah, and it's like the jobs
that they do kind of between having their gigs, and
I feel like there's just so much beauty in those experiences.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I actually got one of my first like bar gigs
was downtown Broadway, and I lied to get the job
because the woman who owned the bar. The bar is
called Leila's Bluegrass and it's still there and it's one
of the only good bars downtown. But she wouldn't hire
any musicians because she knows how flaky we are. And
(12:59):
I was like, oh no, I don't play music. And
then like a few months later, I got a gig
and like told her that, like my aunt died and
I had to leave. There's something, you know. I think
I made up some big lie. But I think everybody
should have to wait tables. I think it's just should
be part of our journey as humans, because everybody goes
out to eat in restaurants, but a lot of people
(13:20):
don't know how to tip.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I waited tables when I was in college, and the
skills that you learn just by waiting tables and having
to like work with people and being in that fast
paced environment, it really is valuable.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I also realized that I am a really, really bad waitress, and.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Not in the sense that like I loved being customer
facing and like being with people, but I was just
very sloppy and all over the place, and I think
my brain is too chaotic to like be calm in
that setting.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's a lot, Yeah, a lot of input, a lot
of things to remember. It's you really get at multitasking.
It does, it does.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Did your parents always support your dream of being an
artist and your family? Like, did they always see it
for you?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
My mom definitely did. She was, like Lady Gaga says,
that one person in the world that pleaves to be.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, I don't know if I would still be doing
it if not for her support. I mean even now
she helps me take care of my kids when I'm gone,
and yeah, she always believed in me. She's my biggest fan.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Moms are the best.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I feel like you're I mean the town that you
grew up in, like the people that still live there
probably think it's so cool what you've gone on to do.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, it's fun when I go back and I'm like
just hanging out, uh in the YMCA, and.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What are you doing here for a while?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Did you feel like you didn't want to go back
home and you want to just kind of be in
Nashville working on your craft.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, there was definitely when my career was not taking off,
there was a lot of like old friends from high
school or people that were like kind of shit talking
to me, like, oh, she's never gonna make it, Like
why she's still there, Like why don't you just like
get married and have kids and like do the normal thing.
(15:25):
But really that just like fueled me to want to
do it even more.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, the best type of fuel.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, when you've got haters, Yeah, it's like I just
have to prove them wrong and you have. Let's stand straight,
when you first moved to Nashville, you were waiting tables,
but then you started you became parts of part of
a band. Right, two bands. Let's talk about your band
experience and when you met Jeremy your husband.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So, yeah, I met my husband at a college party
where neither of us were going to school. It's Belmont University,
and showed up and there was just this really sad
guy on the couch playing bass, and I was like,
I'm gonna marry that guy. And I never had said
things like that in the past, but I was just
really drawn to him once we started co writing together
(16:13):
that I don't know, that connection is just like it's
kind of unbreakable. He remembers songs that I've written twenty
years ago. It's like I just I couldn't imagine, couldn't
imagine it any other way. But it can also be challenging.
We've been in bands together, we've you know, we raised
kids together, and so it comes it comes with some challenges.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I will absolutely I just fired.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Him from my touring band.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay, what happened with the firing?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
She okay, Margo mentioned this on our run and my
husband She's like, I just fired my husband.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
We were talking about this on the run. Okay, So
what happened.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
How does Jeremy feel about being fired now after twenty
one years?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, no, I mean we're still we're still married, we're
still writing songs together, going to come out and play
a couple of shows this summer. But we did need
somebody to stay home with the kids and help my mother.
It's too much for her to do it all by herself.
And yeah, my band and I we had been together
for a very long time and he was part of
(17:16):
that band. And when we broke up, I was like,
I'm sorry, but you're fired too. And it's been challenging.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
How are the fans going to feel about this? They're
gonna be like bring Jeremy back.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, I think I think it's it's good though, because
he also does his own music, and this like opens
up space for him to do his own thing, and
we have to realize that we are separate. People were
incredibly codependent. I mean, I've been with him my whole
adult life. We've been together for twenty one years. So
(17:50):
it's nice to be able to just I mean, even
right now, I'm in New York, I'm all alone. How
does it feel awesome being a hotel room by myself?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
My gosh, No, it's so true.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's it's amazing to have a partner that you've seen
through so many stages of life. Like, it's so lucky
to be able to have that and to grow together
is just one of the coolest things, and like kind
of tackle life together. I know when we were running,
you said that you moved to Nashville with fifty seven
dollars to your name, right, and you know, you guys
ended up crushing it. But in those early years, like
(18:26):
you expressed to me that you guys had spouts being homeless.
I know you had to sell your car and your
wedding ring at certain points. So let's talk about, you know,
the struggles that you guys went through early on as
you were making it work and making it happen, and
maybe paint that picture.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
For us a little bit of what that looked like.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Absolutely, so many odd jobs, like he was always a
cook and you know, whatever restaurant he could find, and
I would usually be bartending or waitressing. But yeah, we
lived paycheck to paycheck. We had the water turned off
all the time, the gas turned out. We're both very
disorganized as well, so it becomes hard to navigate all
(19:09):
those regular life things when you're just focused on songwriting
all the time and chasing the dream. And we've come
out on the other side, but we carry all those
hard times with us. I you know, it completely defined
who I was, and so I don't take a second
of it for granted.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And that really is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And without those experiences and those hardships that you went through,
your music wouldn't be as personal as it is today.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Absolutely, I think, you know, we we got to travel
a lot before we had children as well. We like
lived in a nineteen eighty six Winnebago and toured the
whole country. We set up an entire tour under a
fake manager's name and having those experiences like it's just
(20:01):
something I'll never forget, and you know, being like busking
on the street, and we would usually like busk until
we had enough money for a meal and a bottle
of wine, and then we would go sleep in a
tent and wake up and do it all over again.
This was in like Boulder, Colorado. But then he also
(20:22):
before I met him, he was like homeless in Boston
for a while. He traveled everywhere, and I was just
always really drawn to that way of life, Like I
would rather be poor and tappy than like working in
a job that I don't like and to do something
that I don't connect to.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I feel like creative people have that in common because
I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You moved to Nashville in twenty eleven, is that right?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Or actually it was two thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Oh okay, Yeah, so you moved to Nashville two thousand
and three and your music really really took off in twenty.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Fifteen, is that right?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So during those early years, like, what was the journey
like to finding your voice?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Absolutely? I feel like I emulated a lot of different
singers before I found my voice and.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
What singers were emulating.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, like songwriting, why is like Gillian Walch Loosen to Williams.
They're kind of big pillars for me. And then of course,
like I love older country like Dolly Parton and Loretta Lynn.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I was hoping you'd say Dolly Parton. I was hoping
you'd say it on our run because I love Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I love Dolly so much. She's amazing, and really it
took me a while to get into her, but people
would always say your voice kind of sounds like Dolly Parton.
It has this like tambour Like sometimes my daughter and
I will be walking and a Dolly Parton song will
come on wherever we're at. She'll be like, Mommy, it's you,
And I'm like, oh, that's the best compliment ever. Mana.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You know, it's funny because not only does your singing
voice resemble hers, but you also have such a sweetness
and just your voice in general.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
To people tell you that you have like the cutest voice.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Thank you. I hate hearing myself speak.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
No, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
We'll see how this goes when I listen to it back.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
You're so soft spoken and like there's actually this actress.
I'm blanking on her name, but your voice reminds me
a lot of her. How would you describe your sound?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's so hard to be like boxed in by a genre,
especially I think country music can come with some negative connotations,
not you know, not for everybody. But I think people
see rock as one thing and country is one thing.
It can be, you know, two very different things. But
I love country music and I love rock and roll.
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I just love a lot of older music, anything from
like the sixties to the nineties. I love Tom Petty,
I love Fleetwood Mac, I love led Zeppelin, I love
the Blues, I love you know, folk music. I definitely
feel like John Bias and Bob Dylan Odetta, those early
you know, fifty sixties like folk revival like that inspired
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me a lot. But maybe the easiest way to describe
my music in current terms would be like Americana, which
I think is just like root music. It's just like organic,
natural instruments. I don't like a lot of like digital
sounding things. I don't like auto tune. I don't like
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drum machines and click tracks, although I have used them
in the past. But this album that I'm putting out
in August is really a return to organic sounds. And
the producer that I worked with, his name is Matt
Ross Spang, and he produced my first two albums and
they were just all done live, me and the band
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all in the room together, and that's what I wanted
to get back to this time. So like we had
no no click track or anything in our ears. It
was just like us feeling the music, just like when
we play live.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I feel like what you just said is why so
many people that historically have loved like pop music, Like
I feel like I grew up listening to pop music.
I grew up in New Jersey, right outside of New York,
and like pop, hip hop was what we listened to
on the radio here, like DRA two thousand. Yeah, Snoop
Dogg like those Oh my God Snoop Dogg is Snoop
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dog is in a genre of his own.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yes, I'm obsessed with them.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So sorry, I just derailed you. You were saying like, yeah,
you grew up listening to pop, and yeah, maybe country
music wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah you bring up Snoop Dogg in my mind is
now racing in a different direction. I'm obsessed with them.
We'll come back to that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I feel like what you just said is part of
the reason why country is also having such a moment
right now and is growing so much in its fandom,
because it is such a return to this like non
digital type of music, right Like it's the natural elements,
like the natural instruments and sounds and real voices, not
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so auto tuned, you know, totally. I don't know if
the good country music, But how do you feel about
the trend of country music, Like is it so fun
for you to see people like post Malone dabbling into country.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I think it's amazing that everybody is turned on to
country music. I think the same thing kind of happened
in the well, you know, it's it's all cyclical, Like
you go back and you look at like, you know,
like Share doing country music, and like that was kind
of what happened. You had like Rhinestone Cowboy, and it
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really becomes like a part of the culture. But it
can I'm a little picky. I won't shit talk anybody,
but I definitely don't like things that sound too digital
or too like auto tuned. And so there's I think
there's really like great artists out there doing it. And
then I think there's other people that are like maybe
hopping on a bandwagon, But that's okay, every everybody. They're
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not hurting anybody, They're just trying to express themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So I think that's a completely fair take on it.
Like you love you love real country music, you know,
and I think it must be it's like flattering to
see other artists like inspired by it. But I totally
get what you're meaning in terms of like what you
gravitate towards your especially right now with your new album.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I'm sure that's like the type of music that you
want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I have this note written down, and I just I
hardly know what it means because I am not familiar
with honky tonk culture.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Nice, what is honky talk culture?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And did it contribute to the rise of your career
in twenty fifteen?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, I think, you know, like a honky tonk is
just like a place where there's hopefully a live band playing,
you know, dancing and jukeboxes. It's those are the kind
of bars that I like. Even now I don't drink,
I still love to go to bars. I still love
to go to like old dives and like especially in Texas, Like,
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people are such good dancers there. I love seeing that
come back into the culture because I think it's one
of the one of the lost arts. Like people used
to dance. That's how people like used to meet their
partners and'd be like, oh, we were dancing. So that's
really cool to see that like come back. Even in Nashville,
Like there's just so many people that like to go
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out and like catch a live band, Like here's something
that connects with them, makes them feel human, makes them
forget about their problems for just a minute, right.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I loved on our run when we touched on psychedelics
and guys for the people listening.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Just to give you a little.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Picture, Margo had the cutest fanny pack on coach. Fanny
pack embroidered shout out coach embroidered with these little mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So I was like, I have to ask about the mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, And you have been open about utilizing psychedelics as
a lot of artists do to help with your creative
writing process. So explain how that works and like what
that looks like as an artist and how it shows
up in your music.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I don't even know if I would be a
musician if it wouldn't have been for that, Like first
trip that I took when I was twenty, I just
knew at that point that that was my life's path.
And then since then, I've I've taken a lot of
journeys and a lot of different a lot of different substances. Yeah, Molly,
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things like that I've been so good for trauma, for
like just rewiring your brain. I think, you know, we
get really stuck in these patterns, and psychedelics and you know,
microdosing and things like that have just like completely transformed
who I am as a person. Even you know, giving
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up alcohol was happened for me through a psychedelic experience.
I just it was something that I'd been struggling with
for a while, and I took this trip and I
was like, I just don't think I needed anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
When it comes to writing your music and your songwriting process,
like what does that look like for you?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
All songs are kind of like born into the world
in different ways. Sometimes it will be like a conversation
or like something that somebody says in passing and I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna write that down. Other Times it's just like
you know, a melody will come to you. I think
you really have to be still though, for the muse
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to come visit you, because if you're constantly looking at
your phone ingesting too much from the outside world, like
your mind can't be still enough to hear what's going on.
They're all different. My husband and I write a lot together.
We have like just this incredible way that we can,
I don't know, communicate like telepathically almost, and it's a
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really special thing to be able to write with somebody. Yeah,
you just got to watch what you say when you're
around me, because I they might make a song out
of it. You never know. We always joke or like
change change a word, get a third is like the
Nashville saying, if somebody just even interjects one thing. But yeah,
there's song ideas like floating all around us as you
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never know.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I forget what artist it was. Maybe it was Michael Jackson.
I don't know. That said.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Creative ideas are like books at a library and you
can only check them out for so long before somebody
else takes it. And it has something to do with songwriting,
and like I mean, I think it can be applied
to so many different things.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
But is that true a songwriting?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Like have you ever had an idea for a song
and then you didn't act on it and you heard it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I was working on a song called California Sober, which
is like just like a phrase that people have been
saying more recently, and before I could get into the studio,
like Billy Strings released a song called California Sober. I
definitely think ideas are always out there, and you do
have to move fast, you have to have to get
that trademark going. But at the same time, this is
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something Jack White said a long time ago, which is like,
you know, everybody's trying so hard to be like original
and come up with new sounds or whatever, but there
is something that is so powerful about like tradition and
carrying on what other people have built before you and
just really just building off of that. That's why I
like things that are more rooted, more classic sounding. I
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mean it all kind of stems from the blues and
from like even old like Gaelic folk songs and things
like these melodies have been around for centuries, and I
love being able to take an old idea and make
it new again. I mean, Bob Dylan was like King
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of that. You know, he had the quote that was
like amateur's borrow professional steel, and whether it's like a
melody that you've heard before, or just like a drum beat,
or even a phrase or saying, like my newest single
was called don't let the Bastards get You Down, and
I kind of got turned onto that phrase from Chris Christofferson.
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It was something he said to Sinead O'Connor when she
was being booed off the stage in New York at
the Bob Dylan tribute after she ripped up the picture
of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. So I was like,
I heard that phrase from him, but I believe the
phrase was originated in World War Two, and and then
you know, Margaret Atwood put it into The Handmaid's Tale,
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and I'm sure that Chris, you know, he was an
avid reader and he was a historian, so I was
like he got it from there. And then when I
started writing my song, I was like, well, I'm just
going to give Chris a writing credit on it and
just kind of yeah, keep the tradition alive, keep.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Like the meaning too.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I mean so much significance. That's so cool, yeah, I
completely agree with drawing inspo from people, especially when it
comes to a melody. Like it's interesting that you say that,
but I feel like, then when you listen to your
songs and you hear a melody that is similar in
a way to like nostalogic.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Songs, you want to like get down to it, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
There's something really beautiful about like the way our brains
translate music.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Its music is one of the only things that turns
on your whole brain at once. I don't know. There's
just a lot of science that shows that when you're
playing and you're playing an instrument and you're singing, it
activates your whole entire brain. It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Pick up an instrument. Everybody should. Everybody should play.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
What's your favorite instrument.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I like to play the guitar the most, but I
play drums, I play piano, I play mandolin. I just
started taking violin lessons with my daughter. In my whole life,
I've been saying I want to play the violin.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yes, yes, Oh my god. The day that you get
on stage and you're playing the violin while performing, I
will be there freaking out. Because the violin is like
my favorite instrument, the violin and the bagpipes. A little
bit of Irish in my roots, so I love the bagpipes,
but there's something about the violin that is just so cool.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It is magical.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
What would be your advice to aspiring artists that are
currently trying to find their sound.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I would say, yeah, try out everything. I always I
like learning covers because it's kind of like trying on
a like a suit and being like, oh, I like
how this fits, and then you can kind of figure
out how to like make your own version of that.
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And also just be prepared to be told no a
lot and get your heart broken. Be prepared. But I
think if you really love it and it makes you happy,
like you just keep following that path and hopefully things
will come your way, and even if it doesn't end
up being a career, Like I said, I just think
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that music is for everybody. Everybody should play something, everybody should,
you know, paint and draw. And it's like as we
get older, we think like that you can't do those things,
or like something's not worth doing if you're not profiting
financially off it. But sometimes when things become a job.
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It actually can strip away some of the joy. So
I have to really check myself a lot and like
not get lost in the Like, Oh, am I popular enough?
Do I have enough followers on social media?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Do people like what I'm doing? Fuck them? Do I
like what I'm doing? That's what matters?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Does it fulfill me? Does it make me feel good
when I do it?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah? Am I creatively inspired?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Like? Am I passionate about what I'm putting out it?
It's so important. It's like, do good work and the
rest will follow. If you build it, they will come
right field of dream or you'll evolve through building it
and they'll come to something else.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Absolutely. There was this sound guy in Arizona. I played
a show there. Oh gosh, twenty years ago on my
first tour that I was telling you about where we
were in a Winnebago and we booked it all under
a fake manager's name, and uh, this sound guy, I
just I remember what he said to me, even though
it was so long ago. He was just telling me
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he was man explaining how to wrap cables because I
wasn't doing it the right way and he was holding
up the cord and he was like, its shape will
reveal itself. And I say that to myself like once
a week, because sometimes you go into something you don't
know what's going to be. It's like you're you're building
a plane while simultaneously learning how to fly it. And yeah,
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sometimes you don't know what your path is until you
try a million other things that don't work.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, it's it's so so true.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Because we're in New York, I have to ask you
about SNL and I know we talked about it a
little bit on our run and we talked about how
you performed on SNL and you were the musical guest.
But what really stood out to me was what you
said about the one thing that people don't know as
my about but the artists and you know, the actors
get to experience comedians and that's the after party.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
What does Margo as a party girl look like?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
We see, Like I said, I don't drink anymore, but
I still do drugs, but just the good ones. I yeah,
back when we were playing SNL, though I was drinking.
It was like my bourbon whiskey.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Phase and so country.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, we were hanging out with Russell Crowe at the
party afterwards because he was the host, and he kept
taking my bourbon out of my hand and making me
these like papaya juice vodka drinks. And yeah, there was
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some other things that we imbibed in that I probably
can't talk about, shouldn't talk about. But yeah, the night
before Saturday Night Live, I went out and actually kind
of threw down on accident. I was really stressed out.
There were some people bullying me online, and so I
kind of went down a dark path the night before
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us and all. But it all turned out great and
the performance went off like Gangbusters was. Nobody was injured,
we all survived. But yeah, I have a memoir. You
can read in the memoir what we specifically did. At
the after party. We were, yeah, being driven around by
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a chauffeur and there was like paparazzi and it was
it was really fun. It was a wild night. I
think the probably around six am, me and the band
and a few of my girlfriends. We were all just
like laying on the street, like on the New York
City streets, and we were just like smoking cigarettes on
the ground and we're like on top of the world.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Pretty pretty wild experience, Pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, Well, like I said, I won't go to details,
but you can get my memoir. It's called maybe We'll
Make It All.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I love that you brought up your memoir because that's
the next thing that I want wanted to ask you about.
So first let's touch on don't let the Bastards get
you down. So I want to connect this a little
bit into what you said earlier, earlier about when you
were first charting out and you were struggling as an
artist in Nashville, as everybody starts out as a struggling artist,
especially when you're in Nashville or LA, and you had
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haters from your hometown when you were writing Don't let
the Bastards get you down?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Who were the bastards?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Who are the bastards? That is my favorite question. Just
bastards everywhere, changes depending on the day. But fair this
kind of a song written about like how predatory the
music business is to tell you the truth and you
think that like you know, I made it. Now everything's
like everything's good, but it's it's a lot to navigate
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and I you know, kind of always would say like, oh,
I'm not a good business person, Like now I'm coming
into my power and like I'm in my forties, I
have less tolerance for bullshit, and it feels really empowering
to take control of my finances and just everything in
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my life. You know, I feel like the bastards that
was who they were when I was writing the song.
But you know, it's not like there's a line in it.
It's like, don't let the bastards get you down, don't
sell your heart to a businessman. He'll sell it back
next time around. And then it's you look at these
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supposedly grown men that are just like, you know, money hungry,
focused on the wrong things, taking away people's rights. It's
the song could very easily be about any number of
businessmen or any number of people that are pushing anybody around.
I want it to be like a battle cry for people.
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It's nice to have something, it's like, you know, to
have a rally cry that like unites people and brings
people together and maybe can be like a call to action.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, And that's my favorite part about music is it
brings people together, and especially when there's a message behind
it that's really empowering, it you know, makes it all
the better. I like that you touched on being a
business woman and it's been so fun even just to
see you today with your team, Like you're such a leader,
Like you're so on top of everything that's going on.
And today's a big day, guys. Margo's sitting here with
me today, but this is a big day.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You launched.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Don't let the bastards get you down today. Across streaming networks, right,
it's on Spotify, it's on out, it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
So the song is out. It's out, it's out.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, And it has been so cool to witness that
a little bit behind the scenes and see what goes
into it for somebody listening that is an artist or
wants to get into the industry, Like what is like
the business side of it, Like what goes into launching?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, you have to do so much planning in order
to get music out that you have to really stay.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Focus because yeah, and you have to have the right
people around you, you really do.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I've got a really, really great team around me, and
I've worked with so many wonderful people over the years,
and not everybody has been an asshole, for sure, but
I think, Yeah, my advice for anyone going into it
today is just like keep your songwriting, you know, don't
don't sell your don't sell your songwriting credits and unless
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you get like a huge deal, like I think Zach
Bryan just sold his catalog for three hundred and fifty million,
probably because AI is like maybe going to just take
away a lot of stuff or like, I don't know,
there's a lot of things going on with copywriting right
now as well.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
How do you think AI is going to transform the
music industry?
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, I don't think it's going to be for the better, unfortunately,
I think, I mean, I don't even understand how they
have the rights to do it, because it's like they've
already got but every song that like anyone's ever written,
and I think it's just gonna be so hard to yeah,
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to copyright things and just to appreciate originality. I mean,
computers don't have souls, so I don't you know, there's
been a lot of thought like, oh, maybe it's not
gonna be that bad, but like you can go to
just chat GPT and just be like, write me a
song in the style of Margo Price called this, and
then they can go and take everything I've ever done
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and regurgitate it in this way that is not human.
And I I'm honestly pretty scared about it. I hope
that Congress, hope somebody will try to protect us, but.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's gonna have to don't regulate it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's gonna have to be regulated.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
But I do have to say this too, and I
talk to a lot of founders and actually the first
founders that ever said this to me. I don't know
if you're familiar with Lavine Bakery. It's pronouncial event. Actually
I learned that on the walk. And it's like, the
key to any successful thing or business is.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
The love and the soul behind it. And it can
be as simple as making a good chocolate chip cookie.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
It's like, well, most chocolate chip cookies kind of taste,
it's pretty standard, but there's for some reason is considered
the best.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
And they're like, it's no.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Different than ingredients of other chocolate chip cookies, but there's
just a whole lot of love and hard work that
was poured into them.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Hopefully we can, yeah, we can keep the soul in
everything that we do, but yeah, I don't know. It's
just it's really it's dangerous. And I worry about the
the ecological footprint that it's leaving as well, because I
think AI takes like a lot of water and a
lot of energy to produce. So I just want everybody
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to really think about it. Is this, do I have
to ask chat GPT this question or could I figure
it out with my own brain? And I've used it
as well, you know, I have. I've asked it questions.
But I'm learning about it as I'm going and so
I think just even knowing how much like water it's
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using is it makes me mindful of just going in
there and asking it questions. Yeah, I didn't even know
that this is uncharted territory. We don't know what we're doing,
and I guess twenty years from now we're going to
be like, Okay, this is this was where society really
went you a dark place.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Twenty twenty five is literally the year of AI.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Never would have expected that. Okay, well, let's talk about
your memoir. In twenty twenty two, you wrote a memoir.
I'm curious what made you finally want to write a
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memoir and put your experiences into words on paper and
start writing.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah. I wanted to be able to remember all of
these like huge pivotal moments and like how I felt
at the time and I really was. I kind of
started doing it for myself, but I've always loved reading
musicians memoirs like Patti Smith probably is my favorite writer,
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and Just Kids is what made me think, like, Wow,
you can write a memoir like this and it can
be like this poetic and this beautiful and this vulnerable,
and I just that was kind of after finishing that book,
that was what made me start doing it. But I
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also had gotten pregnant with my daughter. I was off
the road and I needed something to keep me busy
and keep me like creatively fed. So that was that
was when it started. And then COVID hit and I
was like, oh, I have a lot of time to
write a memoir.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
How did I know?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
The memoir was deeply personal, to the point where even
some names you swapped in for like fake names.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
How did the people in your life feel about the book?
Like did your family and friends read it? And were
they happy with how you spoke about them? Like what
was that kind of process like, because that's the thing
that I always think about with memoirs. I'm like, you
have to be honest and you have to be real,
and not all experiences are good ones.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, my publishers, and like my editor. I didn't have
a ghostwriter like many musicians do, but I had an
editor and the publishers and they read it and they
were like, wow, you're accusing an awful lot of people
are doing drugs, so we better make sure that we
either change names or get their approval. For the most part,
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and nobody was upset at me, and I did keep
some things about my family. I Dolly Parton always says,
always save something for yourself, and you know, while it
was very vulnerable, I talked about me husband and I
losing a child. I talked about my struggles with alcohol.
I talked about our marital problems. You know, I was
(48:16):
in a band prior, and I always kind of joked
like we were like Fleetwood Mac without the success, So
you can fill in the blanks with what happened there.
But my husband supported me and being completely transparent about
what we went through after we lost the baby. I
survived a trauma that like nobody should have to survive
(48:40):
and came out on the other side like thriving. And
there's a couple people whose names I changed who I
haven't spoken to, but we were already kind of like
not speaking, but everybody else was really supportive, my mom
and my family. There's a lot of things I think
that my family learned about me that they did not
(49:02):
know until the book came out. And I think some
of my other family members just maybe having even read it,
which is probably good. It's for their own protection, Like
Grandma doesn't need to know all the people I slept
with about my acid trip.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
You know, there is something so beautiful though about your
family and your close friends and you know, your fans
knowing these intimate things about you, because there's so much
relatability in heart experiences, whether like people have lived the
same traumas or ones that were equally as traumatic for them.
(49:37):
I just think it's like a beautiful thing. If you
don't mind, I would love to talk a little bit about,
you know, your baby and what happened.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, so I had twins. I had twin boys, and
one of them had a heart defect and he went
through a surgery at Vanderbilt Hospital and they put in
the wrong size stint and he didn't make it. And
(50:08):
if he would have survived those first surgeries, they said
he only would have lived to be like thirty, which
would have been maybe even more difficult. I've met so
many parents who have also lost children. I've also just
connected with people through grief in this really beautiful way,
(50:32):
like you know, people coming to concerts or shows and
getting to meet them while signing records and stuff, and
they'll say, like, you know, I lost my husband or
I lost my mother, and this song helped me through
this really dark time. And I think I think that
(50:52):
that is the really beautiful thing about grief is that
it can bring people together. And like I said that,
it's how you move through it, and it's how you
decide to grow. And we're all just here for a
short time. You know, nothing, nothing is promised to us.
I think when you live with death in the forefront
(51:15):
of your mind, it actually really allows you to be
more present and to like enjoy all the little things.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Was it hard for you to make the decision too,
because I know you you know, spoke about the experience
in your music and your memoir, but you know in
your music first, was it hard to make that decision
to talk about this experience because it's like deeply personal
and just horrible.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, it's kind of sadistic to like write a song
where you're reliving some of your yeah, darkest moments, but I.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Feel like it's therapeutic though.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
It is. It really is. Music has has been my
therapy for a very long time, and I don't know
where i'd be if I didn't have that as like
a processing tool. Of course I've done like real therapy
and stuff as well, but yeah, being able to kind
of talk about some of those darker moments through song,
(52:13):
it's it's just invaluable.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
When you were in the writing process writing your memoir,
and I want to make sure we said the name
of your memoir. I know we said at the beginning,
said it at the beginning of this podcast, but just
for anybody listening, the title of your memoir is maybe
We'll make it. And the paperback version is coming out
really soon, which is exciting.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
What was the biggest lesson you learned while you were
writing your memoir?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
So when I began writing the memoir, I was still drinking,
and then I became pregnant, and then I had my daughter,
and then COVID like war on and everything, and there
was no real like ending. It was like where do
I end this? I really kind of just wanted it
to be about those like formative years of us living
(53:00):
in Nashville, because it was just like it was more
interesting to talk about the struggle than the like all
the cool people have got to hang out with, like
Willie Nelson.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
But it's like you're when you're in that struggle, it's
it's like you just can't wait for you for like
the balloon to pop and finally like you're living this
life that you've been dreaming and working so hard towards.
And then you're like, yeah, but actually the cooler parts
were the hustle and you know, so much.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Fun, the journey on time. Yeah, we had like a
really great group of friends and bands that we hung
out with. And yeah, I think there's I'm going to
be quoting my own book, but I talk about how
we were all loser poets, like trying to keep our
heads above the water and the booze. But we I
don't know if we were all so connected, And yeah,
(53:49):
I really I kind of sometimes I do miss the
good old battle days.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, and I think that's a good learning for you know,
the people listening.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
That are in your sheep, the shoes that you were in.
Then you know, to just take a second and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yeah, enjoy every bit of it.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
There's a lot of beauty in the process.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Let's talk about farm Aid because you are the first
female board member.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Congratulations, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Tell us a little bit about farm Aid, what you
guys do, and kind of the purpose behind it and
how it started, because there's a really interesting story there.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
So during the farming crisis of the mid nineteen eighties,
my family lost their farm. My father, his brothers, my grandparents,
and all of my uncles. It was really traumatic experience
for them, and it was always kind of there, like
when I was growing up as like the elephant in
the room that nobody talked about it because it was
(54:48):
just too painful. And I've tried to like go back
and collect the details on how they lost the farm.
Like I know there was a drought, but there was
also a lot of stuff with like the government and
loans and corrupt people in my town and like a
banker who kind of was to blame for some of it.
But it's always a man. It's always some dude in
(55:10):
town that's like laundering money. But I became the first
female board member of farm Aid after being able to
perform at those concerts, and I just feel like the
organization is so ahead of their time. The first farm
Aid was forty years ago. We're about to have the
(55:30):
forty year anniversary coming up in Minneapolis this fall. But
it just feels like a really full circle moment because
of what my family went through and just being able
to give back to farmers and the people who are
literally growing our food. I see a lot of similarities
between deciding to be a farmer and deciding to become
(55:53):
a musician, because it's really it's not stable, like you know,
financially and everything. You just it's dependent on so many
different things, and like a career in music, it takes
the perfect climate for everything to grow and to bloom.
And I think you know farmers as well, where they
(56:16):
have some of the highest like suicide rates unfortunately, and
this current administration as well is taking away a lot
of things that help those people. And yeah, it's unfortunate.
So I'm happy that we can get back, and I'm
happy just to go out there and say like, hey,
it's really important where you buy your food from, where
(56:40):
we purchase things in general, Like I know it's so
easy to just get things off of Amazon and to
order your groceries from whatever Whole Foods who is also Amazon.
But if you see a farmer's market, just stop, stop
and purchase something. And yeah, every little bit, every little
(57:00):
bit helps.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
I love knowing that you're going back to your roots
with it in a way.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's it's funny because I grew up in New Jersey
and you know, I've been living in New York City
for the past ten years, and it's just I love
meeting people that grew up in such different environments than me,
because like growing up, the parents in my town, like
they came to the city for work, and some of
them were doctors, lawyers, you know, business people in all
different sects, whether it was marketing or working in the
(57:29):
music industry or you know, in finance, and they just
all had really traditional, like in the office jobs.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
But it's so cool how.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
When you grow up in different areas, like you're just
around different industries and your experience growing up like in
a small town with your dad was a farmer, right, Yeah,
I mean that is just it's so fascinating to me.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
I always wanted I always thought where I was from
was very boring. It was just all cornfields, all bean
fields and you know, cattle whatever. I always wanted to,
like live in the city. It was such a mystery
to me. It was like, what are people doing in
California and New York? That's right, I want to be.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
They're literally sitting at their computers typing away. You know,
your experience was It's funny, there's yeah, it's all. It's
like when you have curly hair and you want strade hair.
You have straight hair, you want curly hair. Right, it's
but there's beauty and everybody's unique experience. This conversation was amazing.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Thank you guys so much for tuning in to today's episode.
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