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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Several days ago, I was in a meeting with a
young lady who helps me with some of my books
and she challenged me to read Fifty Shades of Gray.
I said, you know, I feel uncomfortable about reading the
book because, basically, I said, it's pornography. She said, well,
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just read it because if the media calls or someone
else asks a question or whatever, you need to be
able to explain the storyline and you need to know
what happened. So I set out to read this five
hundred and fourteen page book. I skipped over the erotic
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parts and I read the entire book in forty five minutes.
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I did.
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It's easy to explain the storyline. The main character is
a gentleman named Christian Gray, a twenty seven year old billionaire.
For a book that women really like, it has to
start out with a ruggedly handsome, twenty seven year old billionaire.
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Christian Gray, though has some serious issues.
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He was abused.
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He basically is a sexual predator.
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He finds a twenty.
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One year old college student, Anastasia Steel, she's a virgin.
They connect, and it glorifies sado masochism, bondage, and the
whole dominant and submission perversion. Basically, it normalizes perversion. It's
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a book that uses metaphors and cliches. And eroticism and
art to camouflage what it is domestic violence. An excerpt
from the book that I lifted from its pages.
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Here is.
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Christian Gray visiting Anna. You got to realize that he
is in complete control of her. He's bought her all
of these things. He has commanded her that she can
only wear certain clothes, she has to work out a
certain way, eat a certain diet. So here's an excerpt
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from Christian's visit to Anna's apartment. After an argument, no,
I protest, trying to kick him off, he stops. If
you struggle, I'll tie your feet too. If you make noise, Anastasia,
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I'll gag you. Keep quiet. Catherine is probably outside listening
right now.
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Sounds like rape to me.
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What's normal is abnormal. What's abnormal is normal.
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Fifty Shades of Gray.
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We know, though, that God is not gray when it
comes to life, don't we.
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We know God is not.
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Gray when it comes to power, money, and sex. We
know God is not gray when it comes to marriage,
when it comes to friendship. Yet I've been watching some
of the talk shows as these actors and actresses from
Fifty Shades have made the circuit, and it's hilarious to
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watch the media drool over them. Oh you're such artists.
How did you get into character that's so brilliant, brilliant,
it's brilliantly sick, it's brilliantly perverted. It's brilliantly domestic violence.
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That's what the enemy does. The enemy.
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He inches us, he moves us closer and closer, And
at first we kind of laugh at it. Then we say,
you know, it's no big deal. Then we say, okay,
let me go ahead and absorb it, and then it
becomes just sort of.
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A common thing. It becomes normalized.
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So, after reading the book, and after thinking about Christian
Gray and Anastasia's Steel, I thought to myself, what would
Jesus say to them? I mean, what would he say? Hypothetically?
What would the Son of God say to let's say,
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for example, Christian Gray. I think one of the things
he would say is he would say, turn to me.
I believe Jesus would say, turn to me Christian. He
would say, you've got a brilliant mind. You're a billionaire
self made.
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The book says, ruggularly, handsome.
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Man, you've got all this money, You got the power,
you control your life. You can control companies, you control relationships,
and you control all of these things. You've got money,
you've got power, and of course sex. Sex is God's gift.
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Yet whenever we have a gift, the enemy always gives
us a counterfeit, doesn't he look at it? Throughout life,
God gives us a gift, the enemy brings a counterfeit.
So I think Jesus would say, turn to me, Turn
to me, because you're going down the same path that
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another guy went down that I talked about in my Bible.
In Luke chapter fifteen. Luke chapter fifteen, Jesus told the story.
I love the story of the prodigal son. It's the
first Trustafarian ever, trust fun baby. He comes to his dad.
He goes, Dad, give me everything. I want, the whole deal,
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the whole inch, a lot of man.
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I want it.
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I'm old enough, i'm big enough, i'm bad enough. I'm
gonna do what I'm gonna do. The father goes, okay.
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I'm sure Jesus would tell Christian Gray the story.
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And this guy went out and he used his money, power, sex,
and and then the Bible says that he found himself.
This this guy so wealthy, the prodigal son found himself
in a pig sty fighting hogs over scraps. Jesus would
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look at Christian and say, hey, Christian, you know you
matter to me. I don't want to see you in
a pigsty. But the end game is the pig sty.
It with the pig sty for the prodigal. It's gonna
be the pig sty for you and Anna.
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I will tell you the same thing. Money, sex, and
power in themselves. They're fine.
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Money, wow. Money is not evil. Money can be great,
it can be evil.
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Power. Power's power is great.
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I think Jesus would say to Christian, you want power,
Invite me into your life, Make me the center of
your life.
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That's power. The Bible says we'll receive power.
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The word power in the Book of Acts is the
word we get from dynamite. Will have power when the
Holy Spirit comes inside of our lives. The power is
not bad. God wants to use it for greatness. And
of course sex. Sex is made for the marriage bed.
The Bible says that from cover to cover, Christian, turn
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to me, turn to me before the pigstile. Because here's
what happened to the prodigal.
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I mean he he lost it all.
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Then he came to his senses, specifically in Luke, chapter fifteen,
verse seventeen, when he came to his senses, Christian, live
up to your name, Jesus would say, Christian, come to
your senses, Christian, give me your life. When you give
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up control, you'll gain control. When you give up power,
I'll give you power. When you give up the intimacy
that you're craving, I'll give you real intimacy.
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You know, el James wrote this book.
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She's sold squillions and she's made squillions.
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Do you know what this book is about? Though, Take
a step back.
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This book is about this author, unknowingly writing about characters
who are searching for God. They're searching for God, and sadly,
for many people, the closest they'll ever get to God
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is through sexual intercourse. Put on your thinking at.
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When you have sex, you're one with the other.
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We desire this oneness, this oneness, and we desire it
with God. When we have this relationship with God, he
comes into our lives. We have a hole in our
soul and we try to fill this hole with money
and sex and power and power, money and sex, and
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it gives us a fast temporary relief from the aches
and pains of life, but it doesn't satisfy in whatso
ironic is in our search for freedom away from God.
The things we chase end up incarcerating us. They end
up limiting us. So the deepest intimacy many people will
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ever have is in the act of sex, and it
starts with God. God knows the author of sex, and
he says, do sex my way.
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There's still another excerpt, and only in a book that's
directed toward women, do you have some of these things?
Because women that maternal instinct. Women can say, and they
say to themselves a lot. Oh, I can change him.
I can't convert this pervert, even though I'm in this
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crazy relationship, even though he's stalking me and abusing me
and controlling me, I can change him.
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He's such a complicated person.
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And now I have an insight as to why a
young man deprived of his adolescence sexually abused by some
evil missus Robinson figure, no wonder, he's old before his time.
My heart fills with sadness at the thought of what
he must have been through. Granted, Jesus would look at
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Christian and say, Christian, I'm sorry.
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I know you're hurt. You thought we're gonna have to
take responsibility for your life.
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Nowhere in the book does he say, yeah, my bad.
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My fault. I messed up. I sinned.
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We've forgotten about repentance. We have to repent to do
a one to eighty. And Jesus would get in Christian
grace grill and say, you've got to turn from.
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Your evil ways.
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You're committing cosmic treason before God. I know you have
a tough life. I know it's been difficult. I know
you've been adopted. I know this woman took advantage of you.
But you've got to take responsibility in our world today.
Oh we love to play the victim, don't we so popular?
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From our house all the way to the White House.
That fault, know, somebody else's fault. It's not my fault,
it's not my responsibility. We're gonna step up and take
responsibility and turn from it. Christian needs to come to
his senses before the pig sty. And let me talk
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to you. Anybody in the pig sty here, you can
come to your senses.
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The prodigal did.
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He returned back, and the father forgave him, clothed him,
and threw a party for him.
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So do a permanent wave to the pig sty. Right,
do a permanent wave.
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But it's time to turn before the pig sty, because
away from God.
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The Bible says, you.
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Know what, there's a way that seems right, but it
only leads to death. The Bible says that in Proverbs
fourteen twelve. So this way seems right. See, perversion has
an element of truth in it. If it did not
have an element of truth, we wouldn't get involved in it.
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But man study history.
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Man left to his own devices will always self destruct always.
So this perversion I think needs a conversion. I think
Jesus would say Christian turned to me. I think also
he would say, this, the devil pays and counterfeit money.
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Ladies, the rays, you know.
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Counterfeit bags, the Gucci, the Louis Vaton or the prod
or whatever.
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They're big man. People love him. It's hard to tell.
Is that real or fake? I'm not sure. Oh girl,
that's fake. Oh I see that's fake. That's fake. That's fake.
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We should handle the real so much much. We should
hang out with the right day so much and do
the right.
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Thing so much.
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When something counterfeit comes our way, when the temptation comes
our way, whoa hoo, Okay, that's counterfeit.
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The devil pays in counterfeit money.
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Several years ago, a porn star sat right there, and
I sat right there with several people, and I had
an opportunity to hear this girl's story, and I talked
to her.
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Here's this girl.
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Done all the stuff mentioned and more in Fifty Shades
of Grain.
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Here's a young woman.
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It's made all this money, not only in film, but
also being a high priced call girl.
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Yet of all the people I've met.
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One of the emptiest human beings I've ever talked to
in my life. And after talking to her about PMS, power, money,
and sex, when she walked out of the church, she
turned to her agent porn star boyfriend.
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And said, what if he's right. Hopefully she's still alive today.
Hopefully she read.
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Some of the books that we gave her from our
resource center, The Devil Pays and Counterfeit Money in her
early twenties. Look at her eyes, Listen to her talk
The Devil pays in counterfeit money. So I believe Jesus
would say to Christian, turn to me. He would have
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his nail pierced, hands out, turn to me, Come to me.
I want to forgive you and cleanse you and change
your life. I believe he would say, I'm sorry. I
think also he would say this Christian, stop looking.
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For the mortal, to do only what the immortal can.
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Throughout the book, you feel the ankst, the tension where
Christian and Anna they're trying to put on a human
relationship the pressure that only God can fulfill. I love
my wife, We've been married for thirty three years. But
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there are things only God can do in my life,
and many times I can mess up when I put divine.
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Pressure on a human relationationship and.
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In this realm, in this book. Oh, you've got to
be kidding me. It's so sad. You've got to have
the right they in your life, those people you're close to,
where you have fellowship with, the people you date, the
people who become your mate. They have to have made
a faith's decision. They've had to have come to a
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point in their life where they admit their wrongdoings, repent,
turn to Jesus. If you have faith, you're gonna have fruit.
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What's fruit? Fruit of the spirit.
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The Bible says the Book of Galatians will have the
fruit of the Spirit Glatians five, The Holy Spirit, love
and joy and peace and all those things supernatural one
hundred percent certified organic fruit will produce in our lives.
You see the genius of God. Can you imagine being
joined together with someone or you could not share that
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which was most precious to you?
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Then family, Family.
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Is this person the right day, the person you're dating,
the person who will be your mate. Are they a
part of the local church. The local church is the
body of Christ. Are they a part of that? Are
they serving? Are they sewing? Are they sharing? Are they involved?
And then of course you get married, You're gonna have kids.
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Most people do. Can you imagine one person operating off
one set of plans and you got the other person
operating off another set of plans. You got one person
using this language and saying, well, just make up your
own mind about spiritual things, and you're saying this and
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saying that, and like whatever you want to do, no
real discipline, Just just.
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Go for it.
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And I'll just sit down when you're a toddler and
reason with you in your little playpen kind of do
the doctor's spot thing. And over here you got someone
going no, no, no, no. We've got to have discipline.
We have got to understand what it means to be
a parent. We've got to be involved in the church.
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We've got to be immersed.
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In the church.
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Our kids, Yeah, when they're under our roof, they don't
have a choice, They're going to church. Can you imagine
being hooked up with someone.
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Where you don't have this operative.
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So I think Jesus would say, Christian, You've got to
find the right way in your life. You got to
invite a lot of people out of your life. You
got to delete a lot of contacts. You gotta move.
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Away from people. If not, you've been a pig sty.
And many times.
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People never get out of the pig sty. They die
in the pig sty.
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I think another thing that Jesus might say to Christian
would be get help. Get help.
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The Bible says in Proverbs eleven fourteen, in the multitude
of counselors their safety. My family and I we've benefited
greatly from Christian counseling.
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I'm not shy to admit that I've got blind spots.
So do you.
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And a great biblical counselor will point those out and
help you with that.
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Seek biblical counseling. And here's what happens to a lot
of us.
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We'll go to biblical counseling and we're like, oh, man,
I don't like her, I don't like cam.
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I'm not going back. You know when we say that conviction.
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The Bible says the Book of Proverbs wounds from a
friend can be trusted, so.
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Get help.
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Many of you need Christian counseling. You're dating, go to
Christian counseling. You're married, go to Christian counseling. You've been
married for thirty three years, go to Christian counseling.
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I believe that's what Jesus would say to Christian.
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