July 20, 2021 • 38 mins
When Afrikka Hardy was strangled in 2014 it seemed completely random. But it wasn’t. It was part of a pattern.
Lori Townsend reminisces about her daughter Afrikka, and journalist Thomas Hargrove says Afrikka's death could've been prevented.
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This series contains discussions of violence and sexual violence. Listener
discretion is advised, whether we want to or not. We're
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constantly creating records of our lives. Phone calls, emails, even
credit card purchases can be used to pinpoint where we
were at a certain time. When we touch a door knob,
the oil from our hand leaves fingerprints and her skin
sheds DNA, and if we drive by a security camera,
our license plate can be scanned and entered into a database.
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But despite all of this information we're creating all of
this power that we're giving the government and police, the
United States isn't getting better at saul being serious crimes
like homicide. In fact, we're getting worse. Murders were solved
in today. That number has dropped dramatically. One of every
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three murders goes unsolved. One reporter found those stats unacceptable.
Every day in America, people die who did not need
to die, because every solved murder reduces the occurrence of
murker from my Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. This is
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Algorithm and I'm ben Key Break, just to introduce myself
really quick. Normally I don't host podcasts. I'm a producer,
which means I normally just do stuff behind the scenes, research, writing,
setting up interviews. Almost a year ago now, I was
working on another show called Monster DC Sniper when I
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got an email from a friend. It was a link
to a story about the murder of this young woman
named Africa Hardy. The story was fascinating. It seemed to
flip everything I knew about crime on its head because
it wasn't just a story about trying to solve a murder.
It was also a story about what could have been
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done to prevent the murder in the first place. And
there were aspects of the case that we're still unclear.
But if they checked out, then they could fundamentally change
the way homicides are investigated in the United States and
maybe all around the world. Obviously I was intrigued, but
at the time I was busy working on the DC
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Sniper podcast, so I put it on the back burner.
I tried to just forget about it, but I couldn't.
I'd find myself on my phone late at night, searching
for articles about Africa's case when I should have been sleeping,
And I was frustrated because I had big questions about
the murder investigation that it seemed like no one was asking. Eventually,
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I realized my curiosity wasn't going away. If I wanted
these answers, I was going to have to find them myself.
I decided to start researching the case in my spare
time and documenting things as I went. But before I began,
I wanted to reach out to Africa's mom, Lorie Townsend. Hello,
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Hi Lori, Yes, Hey, it's been Is now still a
good time? Yes? I think I wanted her blessing to
embark on this project to make sure I wasn't just
opening up old wounds. If this was in person, i'd
see if you had a water to drink? Do you
have something like that around I? Do I have a
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bad rich grape juice? Great juice? Yeah? And I didn't
just want to write a story about why Africa's case
is so important that treated her solely as a victim
or crime statistic. I wanted to learn earned more about
who Africa was and how would you describe Africa. Just beautiful.
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She she really was beautiful. And I'm not just saying
that she she's my daughter. She was beautiful. She had
a very bright smile. My daughter was with African American
in Caucasian, so she had tight, curly hair and her
smile just she radiated with a smile. Is there like
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a particular memory that stands out when you think back
about her everything? Um, she was Saffy WHI. She was
a little shows She's try to bully her older brother.
She would put her hands on her hips to say,
I'm not considering you, I'm not considering you. Yeah, she
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was like one or two wish. She was so that
all the time. She loved Disney movies like Toy Story
was one of her favorites. You know, William Buzz, We'll
see one of those people that knows the words to
all of the songs. Yeah. She could hear song once
and pick it up and never leave you alone about it.
She would sing it until her place out. Yeah. Yeah,
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she's my best friend. She really was. We went through
so much together. To me adding that mother and daughter
don't usually go through. When you say it's like going
through odd stuff, do you have an example, um, I
was a little abusive relationship. My daughter was there with me.
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She helped me get out of it. We were homeless,
We lived in hotels together. You know, I wasn't financially
capable of taking care of my children. Lori was a
young mother trying to rebuild her life, and she felt
she couldn't provide Africa or her son the stability they needed.
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But she didn't want to put them in foster care either.
Instead of losing my children to the system, I placed
them where I would be a part of their growing
up and where I knew they would be safe. Lorie
enrolled her kids in Moose Heart, a charity run boarding
school west of Chicago, and then she worked to get
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both feet back on the ground. Lorie started a new
life in the suburbs of Denver, and once things spelt stable,
she brought her kids out there. As a teen, Africa
had plans to go to college and study to become
an audio engineer or maybe a nurse. But when Africa
graduated from high school, Lorie was working at a seven
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eleven and struggling financially, and Africa wasn't sure she could
afford tuition. As she tried to figure out next steps.
Africa decided to move back to Chicago, where she still
had a lot of family. Dun A four teams. She
were back to Chicago. She went back with my ex cousind.
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She's nineteen, so not like she was a little kid
or anything like that, but her cousin wanted to get
her a job like the post office. I don't know
what happened. Was that exactly why she moved his unclear.
Laurie says she was nineteen and looking for independence. Other
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relatives wonder whether she was trying to avoid putting financial
strain on her mom. Regardless, Chicago was expensive but exciting,
and there were so many possibilities, so many things to do,
people to meet. There was a bigger city than when
she used us to about her in Denver. It was
hard to get around. You know, she had a car,
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so you know, getting on the boat with you know,
a little scary horror. But she was trying to figure
things out for herself out there. Was that scary for
you or did you feel like she could handle it?
It was definitely scary, not being close enough to know
exactly what's really going on. So it was definitely hard
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when we did talk. She was okay, and you know,
she had the two friends, and she was going out
to eat nice places and she had nice polls. I
had no idea anything was going on. When I think
back now, I wonder maybe I could have prevented this.
When we were talking and she was telling me where
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she was going out to eat or whatever, they never registered.
In my mind, I still beat myself up. Why didn't
the register to me? But maybe she was throwing the signs.
I don't think that you know everything about child, because
there's something that they're not telling you. They're either scared
to tell you, but there is a shame to tell you.
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Do you remember the last interaction you had with Africa?
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It was through Facebook. He hasnt me two pictures and
she said she would getting fat and I said, no,
you're not. And then I got off of work on
Thursday and I thought I had misplaced my phone. So
I had message through Facebook and told her I think
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I may have lost my phone. So if you need me,
message me on Facebook. That was Thursday night going into Friday.
I didn't hear anything back on her own Friday. Then
the following days when I found out. It was the
making of my fiancing birthday. So we had went out
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to eat earlier that day and we were just at
home question walking good. I received a message from my
ex husband's girlfriends. She messaged me outtaybook and she said,
you need to call Tasha. It'sai about Africa. I just
thought Africa might be trying to contact me through Fatasha
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because that's her cousin me, so didn't really pay any
attention to it. She messaged me back about ten minutes later,
she said, you really need to call in regard to Africa.
So I called Tasha. Are you doing She said, we
were up at the Corner's office. We saw to identify Africa.
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Said nothing. She said, pit my brain, I'm like the
corner of all what and she said, Lori, we had
to identify African body. She said my daughter's name, and
it hit me and I brought out. When I came
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to I just looked up at my fiancee that Africa
is dead. Cashould call me back and she told me
what happened, and um, it just didn't unreal to me.
She was trying to give me details and phone numbers
that I had a call, I had a contract the
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leading detective on the case, Detective Forward. Detective Forward informed
me that I'd probably hear some things about my child
that I don't want to believe, but to know that
it was true. On Friday, Octobri was waiting for a
response to the message she had sent her daughter Africa,
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but Africa had already left Chicago. In fact, she had
already left Illinois. She was forty five miles southeast in Indiana,
living a life that she had never told her mom about.
She'd gone to meet up with a man who she
had only spoken to online. Originally, she was going to
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meet him earlier in the day, but he'd pushed things
back because he said he couldn't find a babysitter. Africa
knew it was risky to meet strangers from the internet,
and she wanted to be safe, so she let her
friend Shimika know where she was and what she was doing,
and then texted her when she met up with the man.
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Shimika was expecting another text from her when things wrapped up,
but hours passed and the second text never came, so
Shimika texted Africa's phone to check in. After a delay,
she got a respond mounts, but the message seemed strange.
She didn't think it sounded like something Africa would right.
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Shamika started to worry that something was wrong, so she
tried calling Africa, but she couldn't get through. Shamika kept
calling over and over, but Africa wasn't picking up. So
Shamika called another friend, Eduardo, and they drove out to investigate.
They arrived at the address. It was a motel six
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just off Interstate ninety four. Eduardo and Shimika found Africa's
room and knocked on the door, but no one answered,
so they got someone from the motel to let them in.
They didn't see anyone inside the motel room, but the
shower was running. They called out to whoever was there,
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but got no response. As they walked into the room,
they saw the bed was at a strange angle when
of Africa's shoes, a platform stiletto, was lying on its side.
They saw a shirt button on the floor, a broken fingernail,
and a torn condom wrapper. They crept slowly toward the
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bathroom and knocked on the door, but again there was
no response. Maybe someone had just left the shower running,
so they cracked the door open. Shamika screamed and ran
out of the room. Africa Hardy was lying in the tub,
the shower water beating down on her. There was a
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thin red bruise going all the way around her neck,
just above that ligature mark. Detectives notice that Africa had
a tattoo. It was a Bible verse. It read, no
weapon that is formed against me shall prosper. It had
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before it informed me that I'd probably hear some things
about my child that I don't want to believe, but
to know that it was true, she was an escort, prostituting,
however you want to word it. Yeah, definitely something you
don't want to know about your nineteen year old, beautiful
child who could have had anything, done anything that she
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wanted to. Detective Forward had learned that Africa was working
as a call girl and that was how Africa came
into contact with the man she met at the motel.
He was a client. I can definitely a hundred percent
day that my children will not raised that way. But
my children's no struggle and they know how to overcome struggle.
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And maybe at that time Africa may have up that
was the way to overcome struggle. I don't know. I
think a lot of it has to do with the
older female that she befriended. She mean it was twenty
six which she met my daughter. My daughter was nineteen,
and I think she kind of primmed in prop Africa,
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you know, was the new girl on the block. She's beautiful,
and we're gonna make some money off of her. M Still,
to this day, I don't know why she decided to
do what she did. I don't know, I don't know.
I will never get that answer. Did you ever talk
to that friend? Yeah, so I did speak with her,
like one time we were on the phone for about
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a good hour, and she mentioned that Africa thought, hey,
it's best money, quick money, easy money. That Africa wanted
to come back to Denver. She wanted to be known
to help take care of her mom. So I'm going
to assume that that's why, you know it happened. Yeah,
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you know, it's hard to put myself in your shoes,
But I imagine that that's kind of confusing to hear
because in some ways it's like, you know, that's great things,
she wants to to help you, But then it's also
like hard because it's you know, like kind of connects
you to it or something like that. Does that make
sense exactly? Yeah, Like I feel guilty. I mean I
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feel guilty about the whole scenario, but the part that
she wanted to help me, you know, since Africa was little.
I guess she's always looked up to me, and I
have little letters and knows that she write me. And
so when I get famous, I'm not going to have
to worry about anything anymore. I think in her mind,
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you know, she thought that she really had to take
care of me because now that she was grown, it
was her turn. You know, mother takes care of child.
No child had to take care of mother. It was
just something in her that she thought she wanted to
do to me. That speaks to you know, that you
guys were close and that she wanted to help you.
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When I've talked to people, lots of people talk about guilt,
even in situations where it doesn't really make sense. I
think that that is also sometimes just like part of
losing someone you're very close to, you always kind of wonder. Yeah,
there's a lot of things I wonder about. Did she
begged for him to stop? She begged him for her life?
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You know, I was like, I wonder these things. I
don't know if I'm wrong for wondering that. I just
want to know what my daughter's wife words were when
you first reached out to me. You said something about
old wounds. This is not an old wound. This is
a daily wound, you know, and um to adjusted things,
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but it never goes away, It never ever goes away. Um.
I was telling my girlfriend that I was getting ready
to do this interview and her father passed away a
year ago, and you know, very different situation. But she
feels like other people get uncomfortable when she talks about it,
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like they don't want her to feel bad, but she
wants to talk about him. Very true, very true, very
very very true. People think that you're like completely broken
and they don't want to say anything or mention anything.
But in order for me to keep my daughter's voice going,
I have to talk about it. Let me talk. If
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I have to cry, and let me cry. If I
want to laugh, let me laugh. So people are really
like that. They're still like that with me today. So
it is what it is. So before you were saying
that you're like kind of curious about this, like you
wanted to figure out a lot about what was going
on after this happened. Yeah, I still have some curiosities
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and there's still something that I think me to be
done and could be done. Like I get angry because
he killed my daughter, and my daughter was found in
a freaking hotel room, naked in a shower. Why you
know I get any of her? You know why I
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get angry it myself. Here's another thing. I wonder why
this guy we've left loose because here's the crazy thing
about Africa's case. Well, Africa's death was senseless and seemed
utterly random. It wasn't random, it was part of a pattern.
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And years earlier, a man named Thomas Hargrove had tried
to warn police. He said he had evidence that a
serial killer was on the loose, strangling young women in
the area, women just like Africa. Hardy. So, who was
Thomas Hargrove and what was his evidence? Unfortunately, Gary, Indiana
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she shot him six times and violets are blue. It's
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a little murder too. She would kill her own daughters
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with Thomas Hargrove over zoom here. Hold on one second.
I have to warn my wife. I'm doing an interview.
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Harkerve's the guy who warned police in Indiana that they
might have a serial killer and the loose Hargrove sixty four.
He's got a white beard and wear thin rimmed glasses.
He wasn't a sort of guy I imagined would be
investigating serial killers. So he's curious how he got into
all this. I don't know where these things come from,
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but when I was seventeen, I decided I had to
be a reporter, and investigative reporter, an investigative reporters, somebody
looking into a truth that somebody is trying to hide.
Like Africa. Hardy Hargrove grew up outside Chicago. He was
inspired by journalists there who came up with a creative
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way to expose the city's corruption. Reporters kept hearing about
the bribes that business owners had to pay city inspectors,
but it was hard to prove any wrongdoing, so the
journalists decided to go deep undercover. The reporters fought their
editor into opening a bar. They called it the Mirage.
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Journalists were actually becoming bar keeps, and they were running
this bar for months and months. They were specifically looking
for indications of public corruption, and they found it. With
hidden cameras running, the reporters caught inspectors taking bribes and
ignoring code violations. It was a remarkable project, and it
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just seemed like it was so much fun. I wanted
to be like these people. After high school, Hargrove studied
journalism at the University of Missouri. It's actually one of
the country's top programs for journalism at that time. In
the early seventies, a new field was emerging called computer
assisted reporting. The idea was that reporters could use computers
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to analyze data like government records. Hard Grow quickly grasped
that computing had the potential to revolutionize investigative journalism. It
allowed reporters to step back and look at issues with
a wider lens. From this new perspective, sometimes previously invisible
patterns would come into focus. If you didn't ask the
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question in exactly the right way, your program would fail.
And it was very frustrating, but it was astonishing what
computers could do. After college, Hargrove landed a job as
a crime reporter for the Birmingham Post Harold. Being a
police reporter in the Deep South was a remarkable way
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to get started. I came as a Yankee and really
wasn't expecting to like that experience, but I did. Her
Grove loved the work experience he was getting, but being
a police reporter wasn't always easy. It's one thing to
think I want to write exposes about crooked politics. That's
another thing to see what happens because of bad policies,
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poverty and desperation, and violence. Hargrove kept a police scanner
running all the time, even at home. If you heard
a dispatch that sounded newsworthy, he'd immediately drive out to
the scene of the crime. Sometimes, if you happened to
be near by, he would beat the cops there. One
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was at a convenience store in Hoover, Alabama. I opened
the door and didn't see anybody, and then found the
cashier behind the counter. The cashier had been shot. He
was lying on the ground leading out. He didn't say anything.
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He wasn't especially conscious, but he breathed his last It
is an experience to see someone die. I didn't really
think when I was a teenager what it was like
to cover the news. I guess I didn't realize that
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when you experience the news rather than just right about it,
it really is a life changing process. Hard Group's time
as a crime reporter was also when he first learned
about serial killers and a phenomenon called linkage blindness. In
the late nineteen seventies, the term serial killer did not exist.
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That was invented in the eighties. The term did not exist,
but the idea that someone could kill over and over
again was becoming common among Americans at that time. Just
to the east of Birmingham, Atlanta was experiencing the Atlanta
child murders, and those murders were not being solved. It's
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unusual for children to be murdered, It's very unusual for
child murders to go unsolved, and there was criticism of
the Atlanta Police Department for not recognizing the patterns sooner.
I started attending academic symposiums that looked into the question
of the Atlanta child murders, and I heard from criminologists
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that this is a well known problem called linkage blindness,
that when there are connected cases, often the connection is
not made by police because of the nature of how
homicides are investigated. If someone is murdered, a detective is
assigned to the case. When another person is murdered, usually
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a different detective is assigned to the case. If there
are commonalities to the two murders, those commonalities are not
recognized unless those two detectives have a conversation over the
water cooler. If those killings occurred in a neighboring jurisdiction,
that conversation never happens experts in the field. We're saying
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that most connected murders go unrecognized. The links are very
rarely made, and I kept that in the back of
my mind. Hargroup didn't know it yet, but this simple
insight about linkage blindness, that connections between murders are often
missed by police, that idea would become an obsession and
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completely alter the course of his life. But his next
clue wouldn't come until decades later, when he was halfway
across the country. Hargrove had climbed up through the ranks,
and in two thousand four he was living his teenage dream.
He was working as an investigative reporter in Washington, d c.
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And he was using the programming skills he learned in
college to write big data driven stories. In two thousand four,
I was assigned to do a really interesting story. He
just started a piece on prostitution when he stumbled across
another clue. In some cities, anti prostitution laws are vigorously enforced.
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In other cities, the laws are virtually ignored, and in
other cities just the men who higher prostitutes are arrested.
So it was all across the board. Who gets arrested,
whether anyone gets arrested. To study this, I needed the
uniform Crime Report because prostitution is something the FBI counts,
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So heart Grove ordered a CD with FBI records about crime.
He was planning to compare prostitution arrests between different cities
when he discovered something else. Included on that CD at
no extra charge was a file I had never heard of,
called the Supplemental Homicide Report. Being paid to be curious,
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I opened it up and what it was was line
after line of individual murders. It showed the age, race,
sex of each victim. Victim is a blackmail eighteen years old.
It had the weapon that was used. He was shut
with a handgun. It had the police theory as to
why the homicide occurred. The murderer is thought to be
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due to an argument over money or property. It had
the month a year, and the jurisdiction January two thousand,
Los Angeles, Long Beach, California. I had never seen individual
crime data before, and I don't know where all these
connections occur in our minds, but the first thought I
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had upon opening the SHR the Supplemental Homicide Report was
could we teach a computer to identify connected cases to
find serial killings. Hard Grove had a feeling that an
algorithm could find patterns within that data and detect serial killers.
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And maybe you could even be used to detect active
serial killers who had not yet been caught. This idea
started hard Grove donna winding path that eventually led him
to discover a trail of bodies, bodies that he says,
we're left behind by the man who killed Frica Hardy.
But this isn't just a story investigating Africa Hardy's killer
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in cold cases that might be connected to him. If
there's one thing that will become clear from this story,
it's that Africa Hardy didn't need to die next time
on algorithm. Serial killer Gary Ridgway was convicted in a
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court of law of murdering forty eight girls and women.
The question was, could we teach a computer a process
that would tell us that something god awful happened in Seattle.
My editors recognized that this could be something very cool,
but it's hard to commit to a project you don't
know upfront whether it's possible. The stereotypes about the profile
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of a serial killer or profile of the victims is
not really very consistent with the facts. This is really
one of the most frustrating experiences of my life. Your
only hope is to get Jackie to talk. I think
the Gary Police Department should be looking at some of
those old cases. They still may have a killer out there.
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But despite all of this information we're creating all of
this power that we're giving the government and police, the
United States isn't getting better at saul being serious crimes
like homicide. In fact, we're getting worse. Murders were solved
in today. That number has dropped dramatically. One of every
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three murders goes unsolved. One reporter found those stats unacceptable.
Every day in America, people die who did not need
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murker from my Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. This is
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Algorithm and I'm ben Key Break, just to introduce myself
really quick. Normally I don't host podcasts. I'm a producer,
which means I normally just do stuff behind the scenes, research, writing,
setting up interviews. Almost a year ago now, I was
working on another show called Monster DC Sniper when I
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got an email from a friend. It was a link
to a story about the murder of this young woman
named Africa Hardy. The story was fascinating. It seemed to
flip everything I knew about crime on its head because
it wasn't just a story about trying to solve a murder.
It was also a story about what could have been
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done to prevent the murder in the first place. And
there were aspects of the case that we're still unclear.
But if they checked out, then they could fundamentally change
the way homicides are investigated in the United States and
maybe all around the world. Obviously I was intrigued, but
at the time I was busy working on the DC
(02:38):
Sniper podcast, so I put it on the back burner.
I tried to just forget about it, but I couldn't.
I'd find myself on my phone late at night, searching
for articles about Africa's case when I should have been sleeping,
And I was frustrated because I had big questions about
the murder investigation that it seemed like no one was asking. Eventually,
(03:02):
I realized my curiosity wasn't going away. If I wanted
these answers, I was going to have to find them myself.
I decided to start researching the case in my spare
time and documenting things as I went. But before I began,
I wanted to reach out to Africa's mom, Lorie Townsend. Hello,
(03:25):
Hi Lori, Yes, Hey, it's been Is now still a
good time? Yes? I think I wanted her blessing to
embark on this project to make sure I wasn't just
opening up old wounds. If this was in person, i'd
see if you had a water to drink? Do you
have something like that around I? Do I have a
(03:45):
bad rich grape juice? Great juice? Yeah? And I didn't
just want to write a story about why Africa's case
is so important that treated her solely as a victim
or crime statistic. I wanted to learn earned more about
who Africa was and how would you describe Africa. Just beautiful.
(04:06):
She she really was beautiful. And I'm not just saying
that she she's my daughter. She was beautiful. She had
a very bright smile. My daughter was with African American
in Caucasian, so she had tight, curly hair and her
smile just she radiated with a smile. Is there like
(04:27):
a particular memory that stands out when you think back
about her everything? Um, she was Saffy WHI. She was
a little shows She's try to bully her older brother.
She would put her hands on her hips to say,
I'm not considering you, I'm not considering you. Yeah, she
(04:47):
was like one or two wish. She was so that
all the time. She loved Disney movies like Toy Story
was one of her favorites. You know, William Buzz, We'll
see one of those people that knows the words to
all of the songs. Yeah. She could hear song once
and pick it up and never leave you alone about it.
She would sing it until her place out. Yeah. Yeah,
(05:17):
she's my best friend. She really was. We went through
so much together. To me adding that mother and daughter
don't usually go through. When you say it's like going
through odd stuff, do you have an example, um, I
was a little abusive relationship. My daughter was there with me.
(05:38):
She helped me get out of it. We were homeless,
We lived in hotels together. You know, I wasn't financially
capable of taking care of my children. Lori was a
young mother trying to rebuild her life, and she felt
she couldn't provide Africa or her son the stability they needed.
(05:59):
But she didn't want to put them in foster care either.
Instead of losing my children to the system, I placed
them where I would be a part of their growing
up and where I knew they would be safe. Lorie
enrolled her kids in Moose Heart, a charity run boarding
school west of Chicago, and then she worked to get
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both feet back on the ground. Lorie started a new
life in the suburbs of Denver, and once things spelt stable,
she brought her kids out there. As a teen, Africa
had plans to go to college and study to become
an audio engineer or maybe a nurse. But when Africa
graduated from high school, Lorie was working at a seven
(06:41):
eleven and struggling financially, and Africa wasn't sure she could
afford tuition. As she tried to figure out next steps.
Africa decided to move back to Chicago, where she still
had a lot of family. Dun A four teams. She
were back to Chicago. She went back with my ex cousind.
(07:04):
She's nineteen, so not like she was a little kid
or anything like that, but her cousin wanted to get
her a job like the post office. I don't know
what happened. Was that exactly why she moved his unclear.
Laurie says she was nineteen and looking for independence. Other
(07:24):
relatives wonder whether she was trying to avoid putting financial
strain on her mom. Regardless, Chicago was expensive but exciting,
and there were so many possibilities, so many things to do,
people to meet. There was a bigger city than when
she used us to about her in Denver. It was
hard to get around. You know, she had a car,
(07:47):
so you know, getting on the boat with you know,
a little scary horror. But she was trying to figure
things out for herself out there. Was that scary for
you or did you feel like she could handle it?
It was definitely scary, not being close enough to know
exactly what's really going on. So it was definitely hard
(08:08):
when we did talk. She was okay, and you know,
she had the two friends, and she was going out
to eat nice places and she had nice polls. I
had no idea anything was going on. When I think
back now, I wonder maybe I could have prevented this.
When we were talking and she was telling me where
(08:30):
she was going out to eat or whatever, they never registered.
In my mind, I still beat myself up. Why didn't
the register to me? But maybe she was throwing the signs.
I don't think that you know everything about child, because
there's something that they're not telling you. They're either scared
to tell you, but there is a shame to tell you.
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Do you remember the last interaction you had with Africa?
(11:29):
It was through Facebook. He hasnt me two pictures and
she said she would getting fat and I said, no,
you're not. And then I got off of work on
Thursday and I thought I had misplaced my phone. So
I had message through Facebook and told her I think
(11:51):
I may have lost my phone. So if you need me,
message me on Facebook. That was Thursday night going into Friday.
I didn't hear anything back on her own Friday. Then
the following days when I found out. It was the
making of my fiancing birthday. So we had went out
(12:12):
to eat earlier that day and we were just at
home question walking good. I received a message from my
ex husband's girlfriends. She messaged me outtaybook and she said,
you need to call Tasha. It'sai about Africa. I just
thought Africa might be trying to contact me through Fatasha
(12:33):
because that's her cousin me, so didn't really pay any
attention to it. She messaged me back about ten minutes later,
she said, you really need to call in regard to Africa.
So I called Tasha. Are you doing She said, we
were up at the Corner's office. We saw to identify Africa.
(12:53):
Said nothing. She said, pit my brain, I'm like the
corner of all what and she said, Lori, we had
to identify African body. She said my daughter's name, and
it hit me and I brought out. When I came
(13:17):
to I just looked up at my fiancee that Africa
is dead. Cashould call me back and she told me
what happened, and um, it just didn't unreal to me.
She was trying to give me details and phone numbers
that I had a call, I had a contract the
(13:40):
leading detective on the case, Detective Forward. Detective Forward informed
me that I'd probably hear some things about my child
that I don't want to believe, but to know that
it was true. On Friday, Octobri was waiting for a
response to the message she had sent her daughter Africa,
(14:04):
but Africa had already left Chicago. In fact, she had
already left Illinois. She was forty five miles southeast in Indiana,
living a life that she had never told her mom about.
She'd gone to meet up with a man who she
had only spoken to online. Originally, she was going to
(14:25):
meet him earlier in the day, but he'd pushed things
back because he said he couldn't find a babysitter. Africa
knew it was risky to meet strangers from the internet,
and she wanted to be safe, so she let her
friend Shimika know where she was and what she was doing,
and then texted her when she met up with the man.
(14:45):
Shimika was expecting another text from her when things wrapped up,
but hours passed and the second text never came, so
Shimika texted Africa's phone to check in. After a delay,
she got a respond mounts, but the message seemed strange.
She didn't think it sounded like something Africa would right.
(15:08):
Shamika started to worry that something was wrong, so she
tried calling Africa, but she couldn't get through. Shamika kept
calling over and over, but Africa wasn't picking up. So
Shamika called another friend, Eduardo, and they drove out to investigate.
They arrived at the address. It was a motel six
(15:30):
just off Interstate ninety four. Eduardo and Shimika found Africa's
room and knocked on the door, but no one answered,
so they got someone from the motel to let them in.
They didn't see anyone inside the motel room, but the
shower was running. They called out to whoever was there,
(15:52):
but got no response. As they walked into the room,
they saw the bed was at a strange angle when
of Africa's shoes, a platform stiletto, was lying on its side.
They saw a shirt button on the floor, a broken fingernail,
and a torn condom wrapper. They crept slowly toward the
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bathroom and knocked on the door, but again there was
no response. Maybe someone had just left the shower running,
so they cracked the door open. Shamika screamed and ran
out of the room. Africa Hardy was lying in the tub,
the shower water beating down on her. There was a
(16:38):
thin red bruise going all the way around her neck,
just above that ligature mark. Detectives notice that Africa had
a tattoo. It was a Bible verse. It read, no
weapon that is formed against me shall prosper. It had
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before it informed me that I'd probably hear some things
about my child that I don't want to believe, but
to know that it was true, she was an escort, prostituting,
however you want to word it. Yeah, definitely something you
don't want to know about your nineteen year old, beautiful
child who could have had anything, done anything that she
(17:23):
wanted to. Detective Forward had learned that Africa was working
as a call girl and that was how Africa came
into contact with the man she met at the motel.
He was a client. I can definitely a hundred percent
day that my children will not raised that way. But
my children's no struggle and they know how to overcome struggle.
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And maybe at that time Africa may have up that
was the way to overcome struggle. I don't know. I
think a lot of it has to do with the
older female that she befriended. She mean it was twenty
six which she met my daughter. My daughter was nineteen,
and I think she kind of primmed in prop Africa,
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you know, was the new girl on the block. She's beautiful,
and we're gonna make some money off of her. M Still,
to this day, I don't know why she decided to
do what she did. I don't know, I don't know.
I will never get that answer. Did you ever talk
to that friend? Yeah, so I did speak with her,
like one time we were on the phone for about
(18:31):
a good hour, and she mentioned that Africa thought, hey,
it's best money, quick money, easy money. That Africa wanted
to come back to Denver. She wanted to be known
to help take care of her mom. So I'm going
to assume that that's why, you know it happened. Yeah,
(18:52):
you know, it's hard to put myself in your shoes,
But I imagine that that's kind of confusing to hear
because in some ways it's like, you know, that's great things,
she wants to to help you, But then it's also
like hard because it's you know, like kind of connects
you to it or something like that. Does that make
sense exactly? Yeah, Like I feel guilty. I mean I
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feel guilty about the whole scenario, but the part that
she wanted to help me, you know, since Africa was little.
I guess she's always looked up to me, and I
have little letters and knows that she write me. And
so when I get famous, I'm not going to have
to worry about anything anymore. I think in her mind,
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you know, she thought that she really had to take
care of me because now that she was grown, it
was her turn. You know, mother takes care of child.
No child had to take care of mother. It was
just something in her that she thought she wanted to
do to me. That speaks to you know, that you
guys were close and that she wanted to help you.
(20:00):
When I've talked to people, lots of people talk about guilt,
even in situations where it doesn't really make sense. I
think that that is also sometimes just like part of
losing someone you're very close to, you always kind of wonder. Yeah,
there's a lot of things I wonder about. Did she
begged for him to stop? She begged him for her life?
(20:22):
You know, I was like, I wonder these things. I
don't know if I'm wrong for wondering that. I just
want to know what my daughter's wife words were when
you first reached out to me. You said something about
old wounds. This is not an old wound. This is
a daily wound, you know, and um to adjusted things,
(20:45):
but it never goes away, It never ever goes away. Um.
I was telling my girlfriend that I was getting ready
to do this interview and her father passed away a
year ago, and you know, very different situation. But she
feels like other people get uncomfortable when she talks about it,
(21:06):
like they don't want her to feel bad, but she
wants to talk about him. Very true, very true, very
very very true. People think that you're like completely broken
and they don't want to say anything or mention anything.
But in order for me to keep my daughter's voice going,
I have to talk about it. Let me talk. If
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I have to cry, and let me cry. If I
want to laugh, let me laugh. So people are really
like that. They're still like that with me today. So
it is what it is. So before you were saying
that you're like kind of curious about this, like you
wanted to figure out a lot about what was going
on after this happened. Yeah, I still have some curiosities
(21:48):
and there's still something that I think me to be
done and could be done. Like I get angry because
he killed my daughter, and my daughter was found in
a freaking hotel room, naked in a shower. Why you
know I get any of her? You know why I
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get angry it myself. Here's another thing. I wonder why
this guy we've left loose because here's the crazy thing
about Africa's case. Well, Africa's death was senseless and seemed
utterly random. It wasn't random, it was part of a pattern.
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And years earlier, a man named Thomas Hargrove had tried
to warn police. He said he had evidence that a
serial killer was on the loose, strangling young women in
the area, women just like Africa. Hardy. So, who was
Thomas Hargrove and what was his evidence? Unfortunately, Gary, Indiana
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is a good place to be a killer because you're
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she shot him six times and violets are blue. It's
almost like her dream man came into her life. Are
you looking for love? I do anything for you? And
a little murder too. She would kill her own daughters
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your podcasts. Hey Ben, can you hear me? I'm speaking
with Thomas Hargrove over zoom here. Hold on one second.
I have to warn my wife. I'm doing an interview.
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Harkerve's the guy who warned police in Indiana that they
might have a serial killer and the loose Hargrove sixty four.
He's got a white beard and wear thin rimmed glasses.
He wasn't a sort of guy I imagined would be
investigating serial killers. So he's curious how he got into
all this. I don't know where these things come from,
(26:04):
but when I was seventeen, I decided I had to
be a reporter, and investigative reporter, an investigative reporters, somebody
looking into a truth that somebody is trying to hide.
Like Africa. Hardy Hargrove grew up outside Chicago. He was
inspired by journalists there who came up with a creative
(26:26):
way to expose the city's corruption. Reporters kept hearing about
the bribes that business owners had to pay city inspectors,
but it was hard to prove any wrongdoing, so the
journalists decided to go deep undercover. The reporters fought their
editor into opening a bar. They called it the Mirage.
(26:47):
Journalists were actually becoming bar keeps, and they were running
this bar for months and months. They were specifically looking
for indications of public corruption, and they found it. With
hidden cameras running, the reporters caught inspectors taking bribes and
ignoring code violations. It was a remarkable project, and it
(27:10):
just seemed like it was so much fun. I wanted
to be like these people. After high school, Hargrove studied
journalism at the University of Missouri. It's actually one of
the country's top programs for journalism at that time. In
the early seventies, a new field was emerging called computer
assisted reporting. The idea was that reporters could use computers
(27:34):
to analyze data like government records. Hard Grow quickly grasped
that computing had the potential to revolutionize investigative journalism. It
allowed reporters to step back and look at issues with
a wider lens. From this new perspective, sometimes previously invisible
patterns would come into focus. If you didn't ask the
(27:56):
question in exactly the right way, your program would fail.
And it was very frustrating, but it was astonishing what
computers could do. After college, Hargrove landed a job as
a crime reporter for the Birmingham Post Harold. Being a
police reporter in the Deep South was a remarkable way
(28:17):
to get started. I came as a Yankee and really
wasn't expecting to like that experience, but I did. Her
Grove loved the work experience he was getting, but being
a police reporter wasn't always easy. It's one thing to
think I want to write exposes about crooked politics. That's
another thing to see what happens because of bad policies,
(28:41):
poverty and desperation, and violence. Hargrove kept a police scanner
running all the time, even at home. If you heard
a dispatch that sounded newsworthy, he'd immediately drive out to
the scene of the crime. Sometimes, if you happened to
be near by, he would beat the cops there. One
(29:03):
was at a convenience store in Hoover, Alabama. I opened
the door and didn't see anybody, and then found the
cashier behind the counter. The cashier had been shot. He
was lying on the ground leading out. He didn't say anything.
(29:24):
He wasn't especially conscious, but he breathed his last It
is an experience to see someone die. I didn't really
think when I was a teenager what it was like
to cover the news. I guess I didn't realize that
(29:46):
when you experience the news rather than just right about it,
it really is a life changing process. Hard Group's time
as a crime reporter was also when he first learned
about serial killers and a phenomenon called linkage blindness. In
the late nineteen seventies, the term serial killer did not exist.
(30:11):
That was invented in the eighties. The term did not exist,
but the idea that someone could kill over and over
again was becoming common among Americans at that time. Just
to the east of Birmingham, Atlanta was experiencing the Atlanta
child murders, and those murders were not being solved. It's
(30:34):
unusual for children to be murdered, It's very unusual for
child murders to go unsolved, and there was criticism of
the Atlanta Police Department for not recognizing the patterns sooner.
I started attending academic symposiums that looked into the question
of the Atlanta child murders, and I heard from criminologists
(30:58):
that this is a well known problem called linkage blindness,
that when there are connected cases, often the connection is
not made by police because of the nature of how
homicides are investigated. If someone is murdered, a detective is
assigned to the case. When another person is murdered, usually
(31:21):
a different detective is assigned to the case. If there
are commonalities to the two murders, those commonalities are not
recognized unless those two detectives have a conversation over the
water cooler. If those killings occurred in a neighboring jurisdiction,
that conversation never happens experts in the field. We're saying
(31:44):
that most connected murders go unrecognized. The links are very
rarely made, and I kept that in the back of
my mind. Hargroup didn't know it yet, but this simple
insight about linkage blindness, that connections between murders are often
missed by police, that idea would become an obsession and
(32:06):
completely alter the course of his life. But his next
clue wouldn't come until decades later, when he was halfway
across the country. Hargrove had climbed up through the ranks,
and in two thousand four he was living his teenage dream.
He was working as an investigative reporter in Washington, d c.
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And he was using the programming skills he learned in
college to write big data driven stories. In two thousand four,
I was assigned to do a really interesting story. He
just started a piece on prostitution when he stumbled across
another clue. In some cities, anti prostitution laws are vigorously enforced.
(32:52):
In other cities, the laws are virtually ignored, and in
other cities just the men who higher prostitutes are arrested.
So it was all across the board. Who gets arrested,
whether anyone gets arrested. To study this, I needed the
uniform Crime Report because prostitution is something the FBI counts,
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So heart Grove ordered a CD with FBI records about crime.
He was planning to compare prostitution arrests between different cities
when he discovered something else. Included on that CD at
no extra charge was a file I had never heard of,
called the Supplemental Homicide Report. Being paid to be curious,
(33:36):
I opened it up and what it was was line
after line of individual murders. It showed the age, race,
sex of each victim. Victim is a blackmail eighteen years old.
It had the weapon that was used. He was shut
with a handgun. It had the police theory as to
why the homicide occurred. The murderer is thought to be
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due to an argument over money or property. It had
the month a year, and the jurisdiction January two thousand,
Los Angeles, Long Beach, California. I had never seen individual
crime data before, and I don't know where all these
connections occur in our minds, but the first thought I
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had upon opening the SHR the Supplemental Homicide Report was
could we teach a computer to identify connected cases to
find serial killings. Hard Grove had a feeling that an
algorithm could find patterns within that data and detect serial killers.
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And maybe you could even be used to detect active
serial killers who had not yet been caught. This idea
started hard Grove donna winding path that eventually led him
to discover a trail of bodies, bodies that he says,
we're left behind by the man who killed Frica Hardy.
But this isn't just a story investigating Africa Hardy's killer
(35:05):
in cold cases that might be connected to him. If
there's one thing that will become clear from this story,
it's that Africa Hardy didn't need to die next time
on algorithm. Serial killer Gary Ridgway was convicted in a
(35:25):
court of law of murdering forty eight girls and women.
The question was, could we teach a computer a process
that would tell us that something god awful happened in Seattle.
My editors recognized that this could be something very cool,
but it's hard to commit to a project you don't
know upfront whether it's possible. The stereotypes about the profile
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of a serial killer or profile of the victims is
not really very consistent with the facts. This is really
one of the most frustrating experiences of my life. Your
only hope is to get Jackie to talk. I think
the Gary Police Department should be looking at some of
those old cases. They still may have a killer out there.
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get your favorite shows. This episode was written and produced
by me ben Key Brick. Algorithm is executive produced by
Alex Williams, Donald Albright, and Matt Frederick. Production assistance in
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mixing by Eric Quintana. The music is by Makeup and
Vanity Set and Blue Dot Sessions. Thanks to Christina Dana,
Miranda Hawkins, Jamie Albright, rema El Kaili, Trevor Young, and
Josh Thane for their help and notes. Also really thanks
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