May 25, 2023 • 46 mins
In this episode we're thrilled to welcome actors Sam Clemmett and Freddie Dennis. Join us for a delightful day off with the stars as they reflect on filming the hit show.
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Queen Charlotte. The official podcast is a production of Shondaland
Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio Welcome back to Queen Charlotte,
the official podcast Your Companion behind the scenes of Shondaland's
(02:15):
Bridgerton prequel on Netflix. I'm your host, Gabby Collins, and
today we're going to have some more fun with me.
Here I have Sam Clement, who captured the messy Boots
confidant to our Queen as young Brimsley, and Freddie Dennis,
who introduced us to the lost love we didn't know
Brimsley had.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
I'm always jealous that the King's man is father to
quarters from the Queen's Man. To be expected, I am
more important than you.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
In today's episode, we're unlocking key moments from episode two,
and we'll be jumping around because it's hard not to
when talking about Reynolds and Brimsley's points of view and yay.
We're also getting to know Sam and Freddy a little bit. So, uh,
Freddy is a geographer.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
Guys went to grammar school and then four months later
I'm Reynolds. But it was a pretty terrifying leap. And
who knows, maybe I will end up as a geography
teacher one day.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
We'll see. Maybe your next role is a geography teacher
in a blockbuster movie.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I think that's what everyone wants to see.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Yeah, that's what I want to.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
See everybody, live and direct. We have the Brimsley, the Reynolds,
we have Sam Clement and Freddie Dennis here. Hello, welcome
to the podcast.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Thank you very much for having us.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
We're so happy to have you. Hi, Freddy, Hello.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Thank you also for having us. It's very exciting.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
So wondering if you've seen any of the show yet.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Yeah, we've been lucky enough to see all of it.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
You've seen all of it, okay.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
Which was initially terrifying but actually brilliant and I think
we're all very proud.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Yeah, it's quite a whelming watching it all for the
first time, I think.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
So tell me a little about why it's slightly terrifying
for you.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
Ready, So this is my first of a job. So
I have never seen myself on screen. I'm not sure
I ever one seen myself on screen again, but it was.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
For that reason.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
There's a lot of responsibility that comes with Johnny a
world that is as beloved as as Bridgington. Everyone has
been so welcoming and lovely and it's been nothing but
a joy.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Damn, you've been on stage, you've been on screen. Is
it still a little terrifying for you? How it was
your experience watching it?
Speaker 9 (04:38):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Yeah, I think any project I ever do, it's terrifying.
If it's like first air rehearsals, or if it's the
first preview of the show, or if it's if it's
the screening of the show. I don't think them nerves
ever go away. It's always it's just like apprehension growing
into something you've put so much, so much work into
and wanting it to be good and people to love it.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Okay, you've seen the show, Sam, what's your favorite scene
so far? Like you have three seconds go boom?
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Oh, my favorite scene so far is in episode four
with me and Freddy and we're bickering around the table.
I completely agree. That's also my favorite scene. It was
the first scene we ever shot together. It was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Had you already shot scenes from the first three episodes
before you got together for this scene and episode four?
Speaker 10 (05:30):
It?
Speaker 7 (05:30):
No, we hadn't. That was your first ever scene, wasn't it,
fred Yeah? It was, which was brilliant.
Speaker 8 (05:34):
But we got it as a standalone scene and I
think we both read it and went, oh my god,
this is completely brilliant and so funny and I can't
wait to play with this. But then there was also
an element of going, I'm not quite sure I understand
the context of this, But then the context came in
pretty swiftly before we did shoot it, so that made
the whole experience again pretty overwhelming. Overwhelming is my buzzword
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for today.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
By the way, unpack has been my buzzwords. So we're
in this together. Tell me about the table reads, you, guys.
I hear that those are always really fun and ripe
with laughter and amusement. And were there any special moments
that that register when you think back on those early days.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
I think my favorite moment was when I stopped shaking
from fear. That was probably the best one.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
I was going to say. The other thing is, with
all of them things, it's also absolutely terrifying because I
don't know if you agree with this ready, but you're like,
this is the first time I'm really saying these words
out allows to the entire creative team and the rest
of the actors. And if I don't do a good job,
I'm going to get fired.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
Yeah, that is exactly what it feels like.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
And then you find yourself trying to say your lines. Yeah,
I really realized actually during the first table read how
funny it is. I didn't. I didn't realize how so
funny funny. You start hearing everyone's voices and everyone's bringing
to it like, oh my god, this is hilarious. This
is so much funnier than I originally thought it was.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Yes, yes, I agree, it is so funny.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
But it's also a brilliant opportunity to relax into your
relationships with the other actors, because I think if we
had all met first day on set in Blendon Palace,
we would just have been sort of screaming and going,
oh my god, how do we cope with this? But
we had a real opportunity to meet each other. And
I think it was three or four weeks before, wasn't
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it sound before we started shooting.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Yeah, And that meant we started having a rapport and
then a subsequent friendship. I think Sam and I went
for some drinks drinks with Corey in India just to
kind of go, yeah, oh my god, pinch me if
we're starting this thing, and then we started the whole
filming process as mates, which made it a more fun
but be less intimidating.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
I think so much easier because you just when you're
friends with each other and you have a bit of
a chemistry with each other, as you know Simon Freddy
and India and Corey, it just makes lifting the scenes
off the page a lot easier than meeting someone on
the day and going, I don't know who you are, Okay,
just give it a go. Do you know what I mean?
We could work together. I could be useful. I am
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a patriot.
Speaker 11 (08:18):
I serve the ground.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
You cannot take all of this on a man who
are climbing brims I am not, he is mine. Stay down.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
So okay, what's so interesting about that is that's the
scene for me where I'm like, oh, there is back
backstory between Reynolds and Brimsley. This is a level of
passive aggressiveness that people who know each other reach.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Okay, love each other.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Can you and who love each other? Yes, tell me
the back backstory in your mind of Brimsley and Reynolds.
There's so much that's left for viewers to fill in.
What did you think.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
They've known each other for a very long time. We
think they would have grown up in the court together
learning what it is to be the right hand man
of serving the king or the queen. And in terms
of the power play between the two, Reynolds definitely got,
you know, the number one job in serving the king,
(09:17):
and he's always been very arrogant about that he did,
and Rimssey fell in just behind with being the queen's man,
and they have to look after the one that they
are beside, and we're constantly trying to gain information from
the other to protect the king or to protect the queen,
and so that element of their relationship is a lot
of fun to play. But then the more romantic side
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of things is, you know, the two people that are
very isolated and the only downtime that they have is
with each other, and so they seek a lot of
solace in each other and they become each other's emotional
support systems.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Yeah, I definitely had the thought that, oh, they have
chosen each other because they didn't have many other choices.
But it's pretty much what we're seeing across this series too.
There's a lot of arrangement and like choosing to love
and choosing to commit, and I think that's across all
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of the relationships in the series.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
I think they have to make a choice to love
each other. They have a choice whether or not to
be together, and that is also a very dangerous choice.
But I think that is a testament to how much
they clearly do love each other despite all the passive
aggression and the bickering, which is my favorite thing to play.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
It was much fun. Yeah, I mean the power play
scenes between the two of them are my favorite parts
in the whole series, particularly in episode two, the first
scene when we realize they are romantically involved. You know,
there is so much information I'm trying to get from
him and he won't give me anything, and that just
raises the states higher and higher and higher.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Right, and then Brimsley sees the young King George in
the cellar right and later spills the beans and Reynolds
is so up. Said. You just see Renolds jump out
of bed and he's like, I cannot believe you spilled
the beans.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
He made me almost corpse quite a few times in
that scene. You agreed to see nothing, You not to agree,
your eyes agreed.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Reynolds is pretty furious at Brimsley at this point, and
he's putting on his clothes on in a bit of
a rush.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
But on Sam's coverage.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
I couldn't get my clothes on because there's a lot
of buttons, you know, it's seventeen sixty three or whatever,
and I didn't manage to do it, but I wanted
to carry on with the momentum of the scene, so
I sort of ended up doing the scene naked because
I couldn't get my clothes on, and Sam had to
respond to me, Yeah, the camera is right at me,
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and there's a whole bunch of group behind Freddy, and
Freddy has to go right round the back of the
room to then get out of the room, and I
have to track him with my eyeline. But all I'm
seeing is this man holding all of his clothes trying
to get round the room instead of like being here
with me, and I struggled to hold it together.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
I'm sure they didn't use that taking It would have.
Speaker 8 (12:03):
Been very den I'd have looked ridiculous, as ridiculous as
me if the camera was the other way around.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I was telling Tom Berka that that set, there's so
much detail.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I remember Brimsey's room and how I mean, he's a
very meticulous young man. He knows his job inside out.
Everything's very precise. Everything was very perfect when I stepped
into his room for the first time. But just walking
onto the more elaborate sets, you know, the corridors that
go around the palace and one of the Queen's bedroom,
the King's bedroom, these elaborate sets that they've you know,
(12:36):
they've created. I mean, is is like stepping into the
grounds of Buckingham Palace. I imagine the attention to detail
was extraordinary. I find it quite overwhelming, and stepping into
the likes of Blending Palace is extraordinary as it is,
but into something that has been created by you know,
the set directors and everyone else, it has a very
different meaning to it. I suppose.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Yeah, that was amazing actually because that just I'm from
drama school and lots of the plays that you're doing
are actually they're quite limited in terms of props, and
walk into Reynolds's bedroom, I just thought, this is so
intricate and detailed. There's a man's life in this room.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, hurry up and get your tea. Come right back.
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Bridgeton story with Sam Clement and Freddy Dennis.
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Speaker 6 (16:09):
Thanks for staying with us. Now back to our talk
with actor Sam Clement and Freddie Dennis. I was wondering
if you all could speak to the attentiveness of like
Coral Brimsley and Reynolds to the King, to Lady Danbury
Young Charlotte. There are particular scenes that I'm thinking of, Like,
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for example, Sam, there's the scene where you are just
five steps behind, five paces behind. You're five paces behind,
and you've got your hand out at Young Charlotte's back,
but you're not touching her. And I was wondering if
you could unpack that moment a little bit.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
This moment for all of us, it basically solidifies who
Brimsley is to the.
Speaker 13 (16:52):
Queen and I will you shall not tell me what
I'm allowed to do.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Your majesty, I am the one person who will never
tell you what you are allowed to do. I will, however,
always tell you how best to do the things you
are not allowed to do. The two of them have
sort of been trying to find the rhythm with one another,
and he's been trying to guide her through this new
role and what it means to be to be queen,
and she's obviously had a lot to deal with and
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that becomes more and more intense for her as the
series progresses. Within Bridgitton. You know, he doesn't have to
say very much, but he is always present. His duty
is to serve her first and foremost throughout his life,
and in that moment he wants to be very very
human towards her and support her and hold her and
give her a shoulder to cry on, but he's he's
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not allowed to do that. So Shonder Rimes and Tom Verka,
you know, they created this sort of very beautiful tableau
of a simple gesture which would basically be him putting
his hand on her shoulder, and it's like everything's going
to be okay. I am here for you, come what may.
And I think that moment is the foundation of who
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they are and what they then become. In the Bridgeton Thus.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And Freddy, similarly, Reynolds has a moment where he busts
through and is like, get off of the king.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I am the king's man, I will see the king. Well, no,
you are not allowed.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I am the King's man.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
I will see the king back.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
To your horse. And I'm like, oh, wait, have they
grown up together?
Speaker 9 (18:22):
You know?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
How long have they known each other? And talk about
Reynolds's care for the king and how you process that
and how you prepared for that.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
I think they absolutely have known each other since childhood.
And actually Cory and I just discussed that quite a lot,
because there there's a sort of unspoken love that exists
between King George and Reynolds throughout the series that manifests
in increasingly dramatic ways. One of the main things about
Reynolds's role is he does a great duty to the
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king to look after the king, but first and foremost
their friends. So the way that I connected to that
was just considering some of my best friends in the
world and conidering what it would feel like to see
them struggling in that way. Because George is a deeply,
deeply vulnerable man as we can all see, and Reynolds,
I'm going to say, his best friend just wants him
(19:11):
to be okay, and he wants to take away that
pain for him.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Freddie, your encounter with the lines you give to the
young King George where you tell him that Princess Augusta
has left and he collapses and he sends you to
call for the doctor, and you also tell the young
King George, don't worry, norm will no that you're going
to decompensate. So do you remember that scene?
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
I mean, that's always an interesting scene to me because
I remember after we shot that scene Tom Verica that
won't get in, which was sad because Corey and I
when we got it, we went, oh, wow, this is
a this is our sort of first interaction as George
and Reynolds. There's almost that unspoken bond between the two
of them, and that's a powerful scene because it's the
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first time I think you see a hint of Reynolds's
care for George, but also the cracks very much start
appearing for George and you go, Okay, this is quite
a serious problem we have on our hands here. And
that was amazing to shoot, and we shot there quite
early on, and I think it sort of laid the
foundation for a lot of mine and Cory's work.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Any moments from the two of you working together, especially
if you can remember anything from episode two. Any stories.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
We definitely have some stories. Yeah, we have We have
many stories. So we were staying in an airbnb, the
four of us and me and Freddie took a bit
of a bit of a walk in the countryside and
ended up in a field we clearly weren't meant to
be in, and we walked down to this little lake
and it wasn't really going anywhere, so we walked back
and then turned behind us and realized there was a
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few cows. So instead of instead of dealing with the
situation calmly, we decided to run and then realized there
was a lot more cows behind us, and then got
trapped in this sort of little center section and sent
pictures to our castmtes and too the crew and everyone
found it hilarious, and we were stuck. We were stuck
there for about forty five minutes, waiting for them to
get bored so we could leave this area and not
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get trampled by cows.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I grew up in the Midwest. That's hilarious.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
There were about fifty of them. It was. It was terrifying,
and we were considering what to do.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
We were going do we do we call the police,
what do we say? But the cows never got bored, right,
So we eventually had to hide in the in the
shrubbery waiting for them to go and thinking this is
so embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh but they were pretty fast. Actually they were fast,
a lot faster than us. But everyone on set thought
it was hilarious. They had they had, they had no
sympathy for us whatsoever. And it became the talk of
the set that day and we came on and it
was like, we could have we could have died, but no, no,
no no.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
See from episode two, the ones in Blenham that were
pretty fun to shoot, the ones in the hats. I
love that because I love those Hans, but also that
again they were they were interesting establishing scenes where you
you become aware of the inherent competitiveness that exists in rens.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
In Reynolds and are you starting everyone from the hashtag
I love it. It's better than brim Noles or could
be Breynolds and it's like like Brenol's brothers.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
Yeah, Brennolds is better than I said, brim Noles.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
What am I doing? Where did that cut? Brim Noles? Knowles,
brim slip. I'm just going to stop.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
We'll ask the listeners.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Yeah, the listeners will make their decision, it's all.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
They probably they will. They will decide very quickly. I'm
sure of it. Yeah, because the scenes with the two
of you are really really remarkable, and you just really
do deliver that layer of life that the entire series
really does give us. You allow us to really go
into the story further.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Yeah, it was really fun to watch.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed watching it, because I think
I found it very very terrifying. But I do not
like watching it. I assure you.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I'm sure you're not alone. Tom Verica told me that
actor Hugh Sachs, who plays present day Brimsley, Yeah, spend
the day with you two to watch episode six. I
guess the dancing moment on top of the hill.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Can you tell me a little more about working with
Jack Murphy on that moment?
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Wells, Hugh is amazing. We love Hugh.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
It was brilliant having him there as a friend first
and foremost and as a colleague. The whole dancing preparation
was one of my favorite things about the entire show
because it was unlike anything I at least had ever
done before. I think it taps into Brimsley's and Reynolds's
vulnerabilities in a way that actually a scene where they
were speaking probably couldn't have done. And it almost feels
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like a moment of unadulterated joy that neither of them
have had up until this point in the series. Working
with Jack was amazing, and I will be forever grateful
to Jack for his patients because I am not a mover,
but I do think I can now just about do it.
But actually, one of my favorite things about watching that
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scene is there is a moment where there is a
definite mistake on behalf of me, I think, or maybe
both of us, and we.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Both slightly it was both. We both giggle.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
And it made it in because I think, and that's
lovely because it just shows how much fun we were
having as actors. But also I think that's very true
to what the moment would have been for Bremsley and Reynolds,
where they go, hey, we've done it, you and me,
you and me.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
And the idea that they get to like steal five minutes,
ten minutes together because it's never more than that, and
you know, they get this opportunity to have a very
intimate moment away from everybody else, and it's it's exactly
what Freddie has said. It's that it's them feeling complete
and utter joy and entirely themselves and not having the
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weight of the rest of the world on their shoulders.
They can just be present with each other. Because we
shot that very late on in a night shoots. It
was the last day at Blendon Palace and we were
shooting like quarter past through in the morning, so like
were shooting corposter in the morning. We were wrapping at
four and we had to do our scene and then
we had to do huge bit of the dance as well,
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and then they were like, Freddie, we want you to
do a little bit dancing with with Hugh leading up
to the take as well. So we're all just sort
of being thrown around dancing with each other. So having
time with Hugh and Jack and the two of us
in rehearsals was invaluable because it meant that not only
could Hugh and Freddie start to learn each other's bodies,
but I could also start to learn huge body as well,
(26:18):
because part of my way into the character was the
physicality that he has and how he holds himself at
the end of that shot after he has danced. I know,
it just speaks a thousand words as to who Reynolds
is to Brimsley. It's heartbreaking, It is completely heartbreaking.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
It is everyone's going to wonder what happened.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Holiday. He's on a very very long holiday. Where's he gone.
He's on a beach somewhere. He's on a beach. Okay, great,
I think the Maldives probably.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
What's the capital of the Maldives? Marley or Mary?
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Freddie? What was your leap from Giagar you to this world?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I have always wanted to be an actor, but I
I will put it down to a lack of self confidence.
I didn't allow myself to start before me until I
was twenty three years old because the thought of it
excited me, but it also completely terrified me. So I
you know, I told myself, oh, next year, I'll do
Next year, I'll do it. When I go to UNI,
(27:22):
I'll do it. And then I left UNI with a
degree in geography and went, oh, my goodness, I've never acted.
How have I not done this? And I just went, fred,
you have to you have to take the plunges now
or never, and I just knew I would love it.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
So I went to.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Drama school and then four months later I'm Reynolds. So
but it was a pretty terrifying leap. And who knows,
maybe I will end up as a geography teacher one day.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, it can happen.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Maybe your next role is a geography teacher in a
blockbuster movie.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I think that's what everyone wants to see.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, that's what I want to see.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Stick around. There's more with Sam Klement and Freddy Dennis.
They're going to be sharing tales from their auditions right
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Before we jump back into our discussion, take a listen
to what Kelly Valentine Hendry has to say about casting
with these two actors.
Speaker 14 (31:04):
What was really great at the read through, because we
didn't get a chance to chemistry them, was when we
had lovely Freddie Dennis and Sam Clement. So when he
and Sam. At the read through, we realized, oh my goodness,
there's super proper sparky chemistry there. That was really glorious
(31:26):
to walk away and say, we've absolutely got that right.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
That was Kelly Valentine Henry, casting director of Queen Charlotte
at Bridgerton Story. Wasn't that interesting? I mean you would
have never guessed right. Well, we've got more from Sam
and Freddy on their auditions and memories from the early
days of the project, early early days of joining the project.
Let's get back into our conversation, Sam, were there any
(31:50):
full circle moments for you? You know, Queen Charlotte A
Bridgerton Story has a ton of flash forwards in the
way Shondaland knows how to do a good flash forward.
I was wondering if you had any moments in your
life or your career that kind of a feel full circle.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
It related to this show totally. I have auditioned for
the Bridgington World. I think it's four or five times
before getting this part, more than any like long running series.
I auditioned in twenty nineteen for one of the leading
parts in Bridgeston, and then off the back of that
had read for like various guest parts here and there,
(32:33):
and then read four. The initial tape for this was
a scene from Bridgeston. No one quite knew what they
were reading for. And then eventually the audition for the
Brimsley came around. I was like, oh my god, maybe
this is the fifth time. Now. I just went, you
know what, what will be will be? I know the world.
(32:54):
I'm not going to put all of my energy into
this basket and trying to make this work and did
it very relaxed tape, and lo and behold got the job.
So that became a very full circle moment for me
in my career and with this particular job as well.
It was four years in the making. Wow, relaxation is
(33:14):
the key. Relaxation is the key. But also I don't
know if I've told anyone this. I was offered a
smaller part in series two of Bridgington and it would
come off the back of the pandemic and work was
pretty sparse for everyone, and cue lost to my agent
as well for very good agenting. Here he went, so
they've offered you this. It's like three lines, and that
(33:35):
would be great obviously, but they love you a lot
for this world. And I think it's worth just holding
off to see if something else comes down the line.
And if I'd have taken that role, I would never
have been able to read and do Brimsley.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Oh okay, well, thank goodness, because I don't think I'm
alone when I'm like, of course that's young Brimsley. Like,
we spoke with Kelly Valentine Henry and just so you know,
she was like, oh yeah, within the first three minutes
we knew who was who was going to be, which
whatever role they played, So I'm so happy. Tell me
about your first encounter with the actual first scenes that
(34:14):
we see you in. I think that's the five steps
behind on the steps.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Right, Sam, Yeah, on the staircase.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Just really funny. That was that exchange between you and Yeah, Charlotte.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
It is really funny. I first encountered that scene in
the audition. That was the audition scene. Same for me,
because that's what you used as well. Of course. Yeah,
we were well into into the end of block one,
so we've been shooting for like six or seven weeks,
and I sat with this dialogue for so long, and
I felt like I knew the ins and out of
it so much that when it got round to it,
(34:44):
and India was felt the same. We then suddenly got
so incredibly nervous, even though we knew that scene like
the back of our hand. And then I just put
all of this pressure on myself, like I think this
might be a bit stale, and it needs to be snappy,
it needs to be funny. It's the first time we
meet him, so when it came to doing it, it
took me a while of me to loosen up on
that one.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Your delivery is so good, so as India's it's almost flippant,
like is Brimsley being a little smart, you know what?
You know, it was really really funny.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
He's just like he's just like, just do your job,
Just do your job. Just don't mess up, Just don't
mess up. And she's making this very very hard. Just
don't mess up. And then when she starts talking about
the king, he's like, well, that's a kind of worms
I don't want to open. He's the king, he's this,
he's that. Please stop talking to me.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I think it's the moment you say those are facts,
you're mad. I'm like, okay, this is this is going
to be an interesting relationship. Yeah, So Freddy a lot
of first experiences for you on this project. Do you
have any favorite firsts or do you have any favorite scenes?
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Well, I love the scene where I'm riding the horse.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
That's so.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Tell me about tell me about shooting that scene.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
Oh my goodness, it was. I was completely terrified. I
was there. I had to come down and watch it.
I couldn't not be present for it. I think everyone
came and watched it.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
They prepped me for it for months, which is funny
because it was only a sort of ten second scene.
But obviously I'm not wearing a helmet. But I was
absolutely terrified. I was on this lovely horse. They kept
saying he was lovely, called Mufassa, and they went, Mufasa
is definitely not scared of drones, and I went, well,
I'm a bit scared of drums, you know. But every
(36:28):
time this drone went up in the air, Mufassa would
freak out and kind of start moving loads like that
listeners and moving quite a lot, and I have to
kick him twice to tell him to go, and he
would just take off. And I was also aware because
people found it slightly ridiculous that I was on a horse.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
I Freddie was on a horse.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Everyone was watching, so I had to try and play
it as cool as I could.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
A boy, was I sweating? You smashed it though? It
went very well? Yeah it did.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
I'm glad I wasn't wearing a heart great thing.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Oh, Sam, I don't remember if you had any scenes
like that you were on horseback or dealing with other animals. Oh,
you had the Pomeranian all the time?
Speaker 7 (37:14):
I have the Pomeranian pomp.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Yes, how was that? And also with your costumes? How
did you manage that?
Speaker 7 (37:21):
I mean it was she was sort of extraordinary. I
think she was, like I think she was about fifteen
weeks old when we started, because they needed a puppy,
and I was like, oh god, this is going to
be hard work. But she was the best behaved puppy
I think I've ever met in my life. She would
occasionally fall asleep while I was acting, which I think is,
you know, quite an aggressive reaction towards my performance, and
(37:46):
therefore and I will stole my scenes.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
So is there anything else that she'd like to to
say about your challenges onset or challenge with the material
or anything that you overcame throughout the process.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
For me, sometimes scenes can get changed, you know, and
adapted last minute to suit the story as best as
they can. So I like to sit with dialogue for
at least three or four days before doing a scene,
and occasionally things might get changed last minute because there's
a better version of this of a particular scene. And
learning dialogue quite quickly I find quite hard sometimes because
(38:30):
I like to feel very relaxed with the scenes and
with the dialogue. And I think for something for me
that I'm trying to get better at is being able
to turn over dialogue very very quickly. What about you, Fred, I.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Think for me, I learned an awful lot about the
importance of remaining confident and believing in yourself. And there's
a particular moment on set that happened very very early
on actually, in one of those scenes at Blenham in
episode two, when Sam You'll remember, it was very in
my head and I felt like I was doing a
terrible job, and we eventually got the shot. I'd struggled
(39:07):
a bit and Tom came up to me and he
went it really gently, in a lovely way. He went, Freddie,
just remember that this is really really fun, and I went, yeah,
you're You're so right. What I'm trying to do is
I'm trying to do the perfect job, and that's that's
putting me in my head and inhibiting me from doing
my best work.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
So from that day I went.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
And wrote about it in my little diary, and from
that day forth, every day I would try and remind myself, Yes,
this is intimidating, Yes I feel like I could be
doing better, but it's a journey, and b it's an
incredibly fun journey.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
That's so good. That's so good.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
I haven't properly learned it yet, and it's I'm still
on that journey.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Easier said than done. Right, that's so great.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Anyone's got any tips.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
To please let me know and use the hashtag.
Speaker 7 (39:59):
Brand Reynolds Bremsley, Bremsley, Brimsley. No Reynolds in Bremsley. No,
it's not, it's not.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
In the initial audition that we both both did, Brimsley
wasn't called Brimsley, he was called Bosley.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Yeah, oh I thought it was Bosely.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
Oh you said, boys, Well, I clearly got Reynolds because
I said Bosley, you were.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Basically talking down to me already, and you didn't realize
I think you were saying that because the other audition
scene was the one in the in the chapel when
I've lost the queen on the day of of their
of their wedding and I come in and go, we've
got a problem. The bride's missing, and you go, what
have you done now, Brimsley, And it's so condescending, and
(40:47):
you were like, I think that's what's got me the part.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Well, yes, did you have any other last thoughts before
we wrap up?
Speaker 7 (40:55):
I genuinely think everyone is utterly brilliant in this show,
and I can't wait for everyone see the cast's extraordinary work.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Absolutely, yes, you both were brilliant on screen.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
I hope people enjoy watching it as much as we
enjoyed making it because it Yeah, I don't know about
for you, Sam, but for me, it was possibly the
best thing I have ever done. Yeah, totally, I loved it.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
Sam Clement, Freddie Dennis, thank you so much for your
time today.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
I'm imagining applause effects here right now. Because these two
actors recognized the space Shonda Rhymes carved out for their characters,
and they dug in. They came off the page in
a way Brimsley and Reynolds come off the wall. Okay,
stay with me, the way they come off the wall
as servants and step outside of their roles to care
(41:52):
for Charlotte and George as friends. And you heard them.
That's how they thought of their characters too. I mean,
could you imagine Charlotte's story without Brimsley? Think about it.
If these walls could talk, That's what I think of
when I think of Brimsley and Reynolds, if these walls
could talk. And that's also what I loved about chorl Pey.
(42:14):
Von Sei Deguiyan was brilliant as Chral that familiar homegirl
bestie vibe. You know, Shonda Rhimes wrote a voice that
lit up a part of young Agatha's life that could
have been really lonely, and she tapped into Charlotte and
the King in the same way through Brimsley and Reynolds.
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Shawna's way of crafting the dance of relationships is amazing.
Speaking of dance, on our next episode, choreographer Jack Murphy
joins us.
Speaker 13 (42:47):
Many years ago, when the Queen Mother died, my mother
and I we went to see her lying in state
and seeing the four gods standing protecting That's where I
drew the parallel from those four couples either side of
Charlotte and George, so they're not just dancing, but they're
protecting the jewel of.
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Bridgerton prequel on Netflix. I'm your host, Gabby Collins, and
today we're going to have some more fun with me.
Here I have Sam Clement, who captured the messy Boots
confidant to our Queen as young Brimsley, and Freddie Dennis,
who introduced us to the lost love we didn't know
Brimsley had.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
I'm always jealous that the King's man is father to
quarters from the Queen's Man. To be expected, I am
more important than you.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
In today's episode, we're unlocking key moments from episode two,
and we'll be jumping around because it's hard not to
when talking about Reynolds and Brimsley's points of view and yay.
We're also getting to know Sam and Freddy a little bit. So, uh,
Freddy is a geographer.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
Guys went to grammar school and then four months later
I'm Reynolds. But it was a pretty terrifying leap. And
who knows, maybe I will end up as a geography
teacher one day.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
We'll see. Maybe your next role is a geography teacher
in a blockbuster movie.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I think that's what everyone wants to see.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Yeah, that's what I want to.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
See everybody, live and direct. We have the Brimsley, the Reynolds,
we have Sam Clement and Freddie Dennis here. Hello, welcome
to the podcast.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Thank you very much for having us.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
We're so happy to have you. Hi, Freddy, Hello.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Thank you also for having us. It's very exciting.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
So wondering if you've seen any of the show yet.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Yeah, we've been lucky enough to see all of it.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
You've seen all of it, okay.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
Which was initially terrifying but actually brilliant and I think
we're all very proud.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Yeah, it's quite a whelming watching it all for the
first time, I think.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
So tell me a little about why it's slightly terrifying
for you.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
Ready, So this is my first of a job. So
I have never seen myself on screen. I'm not sure
I ever one seen myself on screen again, but it was.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
For that reason.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
There's a lot of responsibility that comes with Johnny a
world that is as beloved as as Bridgington. Everyone has
been so welcoming and lovely and it's been nothing but
a joy.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Damn, you've been on stage, you've been on screen. Is
it still a little terrifying for you? How it was
your experience watching it?
Speaker 9 (04:38):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Yeah, I think any project I ever do, it's terrifying.
If it's like first air rehearsals, or if it's the
first preview of the show, or if it's if it's
the screening of the show. I don't think them nerves
ever go away. It's always it's just like apprehension growing
into something you've put so much, so much work into
and wanting it to be good and people to love it.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Okay, you've seen the show, Sam, what's your favorite scene
so far? Like you have three seconds go boom?
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Oh, my favorite scene so far is in episode four
with me and Freddy and we're bickering around the table.
I completely agree. That's also my favorite scene. It was
the first scene we ever shot together. It was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Had you already shot scenes from the first three episodes
before you got together for this scene and episode four?
Speaker 10 (05:30):
It?
Speaker 7 (05:30):
No, we hadn't. That was your first ever scene, wasn't it,
fred Yeah? It was, which was brilliant.
Speaker 8 (05:34):
But we got it as a standalone scene and I
think we both read it and went, oh my god,
this is completely brilliant and so funny and I can't
wait to play with this. But then there was also
an element of going, I'm not quite sure I understand
the context of this, But then the context came in
pretty swiftly before we did shoot it, so that made
the whole experience again pretty overwhelming. Overwhelming is my buzzword
(05:56):
for today.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
By the way, unpack has been my buzzwords. So we're
in this together. Tell me about the table reads, you, guys.
I hear that those are always really fun and ripe
with laughter and amusement. And were there any special moments
that that register when you think back on those early days.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
I think my favorite moment was when I stopped shaking
from fear. That was probably the best one.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
I was going to say. The other thing is, with
all of them things, it's also absolutely terrifying because I
don't know if you agree with this ready, but you're like,
this is the first time I'm really saying these words
out allows to the entire creative team and the rest
of the actors. And if I don't do a good job,
I'm going to get fired.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
Yeah, that is exactly what it feels like.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
And then you find yourself trying to say your lines. Yeah,
I really realized actually during the first table read how
funny it is. I didn't. I didn't realize how so
funny funny. You start hearing everyone's voices and everyone's bringing
to it like, oh my god, this is hilarious. This
is so much funnier than I originally thought it was.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Yes, yes, I agree, it is so funny.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
But it's also a brilliant opportunity to relax into your
relationships with the other actors, because I think if we
had all met first day on set in Blendon Palace,
we would just have been sort of screaming and going,
oh my god, how do we cope with this? But
we had a real opportunity to meet each other. And
I think it was three or four weeks before, wasn't
(07:30):
it sound before we started shooting.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Yeah, And that meant we started having a rapport and
then a subsequent friendship. I think Sam and I went
for some drinks drinks with Corey in India just to
kind of go, yeah, oh my god, pinch me if
we're starting this thing, and then we started the whole
filming process as mates, which made it a more fun
but be less intimidating.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
I think so much easier because you just when you're
friends with each other and you have a bit of
a chemistry with each other, as you know Simon Freddy
and India and Corey, it just makes lifting the scenes
off the page a lot easier than meeting someone on
the day and going, I don't know who you are, Okay,
just give it a go. Do you know what I mean?
We could work together. I could be useful. I am
(08:18):
a patriot.
Speaker 11 (08:18):
I serve the ground.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
You cannot take all of this on a man who
are climbing brims I am not, he is mine. Stay down.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
So okay, what's so interesting about that is that's the
scene for me where I'm like, oh, there is back
backstory between Reynolds and Brimsley. This is a level of
passive aggressiveness that people who know each other reach.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Okay, love each other.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Can you and who love each other? Yes, tell me
the back backstory in your mind of Brimsley and Reynolds.
There's so much that's left for viewers to fill in.
What did you think.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
They've known each other for a very long time. We
think they would have grown up in the court together
learning what it is to be the right hand man
of serving the king or the queen. And in terms
of the power play between the two, Reynolds definitely got,
you know, the number one job in serving the king,
(09:17):
and he's always been very arrogant about that he did,
and Rimssey fell in just behind with being the queen's man,
and they have to look after the one that they
are beside, and we're constantly trying to gain information from
the other to protect the king or to protect the queen,
and so that element of their relationship is a lot
of fun to play. But then the more romantic side
(09:39):
of things is, you know, the two people that are
very isolated and the only downtime that they have is
with each other, and so they seek a lot of
solace in each other and they become each other's emotional
support systems.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Yeah, I definitely had the thought that, oh, they have
chosen each other because they didn't have many other choices.
But it's pretty much what we're seeing across this series too.
There's a lot of arrangement and like choosing to love
and choosing to commit, and I think that's across all
(10:12):
of the relationships in the series.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
I think they have to make a choice to love
each other. They have a choice whether or not to
be together, and that is also a very dangerous choice.
But I think that is a testament to how much
they clearly do love each other despite all the passive
aggression and the bickering, which is my favorite thing to play.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
It was much fun. Yeah, I mean the power play
scenes between the two of them are my favorite parts
in the whole series, particularly in episode two, the first
scene when we realize they are romantically involved. You know,
there is so much information I'm trying to get from
him and he won't give me anything, and that just
raises the states higher and higher and higher.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Right, and then Brimsley sees the young King George in
the cellar right and later spills the beans and Reynolds
is so up. Said. You just see Renolds jump out
of bed and he's like, I cannot believe you spilled
the beans.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
He made me almost corpse quite a few times in
that scene. You agreed to see nothing, You not to agree,
your eyes agreed.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Reynolds is pretty furious at Brimsley at this point, and
he's putting on his clothes on in a bit of
a rush.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
But on Sam's coverage.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
I couldn't get my clothes on because there's a lot
of buttons, you know, it's seventeen sixty three or whatever,
and I didn't manage to do it, but I wanted
to carry on with the momentum of the scene, so
I sort of ended up doing the scene naked because
I couldn't get my clothes on, and Sam had to
respond to me, Yeah, the camera is right at me,
(11:41):
and there's a whole bunch of group behind Freddy, and
Freddy has to go right round the back of the
room to then get out of the room, and I
have to track him with my eyeline. But all I'm
seeing is this man holding all of his clothes trying
to get round the room instead of like being here
with me, and I struggled to hold it together.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
I'm sure they didn't use that taking It would have.
Speaker 8 (12:03):
Been very den I'd have looked ridiculous, as ridiculous as
me if the camera was the other way around.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I was telling Tom Berka that that set, there's so
much detail.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I remember Brimsey's room and how I mean, he's a
very meticulous young man. He knows his job inside out.
Everything's very precise. Everything was very perfect when I stepped
into his room for the first time. But just walking
onto the more elaborate sets, you know, the corridors that
go around the palace and one of the Queen's bedroom,
the King's bedroom, these elaborate sets that they've you know,
(12:36):
they've created. I mean, is is like stepping into the
grounds of Buckingham Palace. I imagine the attention to detail
was extraordinary. I find it quite overwhelming, and stepping into
the likes of Blending Palace is extraordinary as it is,
but into something that has been created by you know,
the set directors and everyone else, it has a very
different meaning to it. I suppose.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Yeah, that was amazing actually because that just I'm from
drama school and lots of the plays that you're doing
are actually they're quite limited in terms of props, and
walk into Reynolds's bedroom, I just thought, this is so
intricate and detailed. There's a man's life in this room.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, hurry up and get your tea. Come right back.
There's more from behind the scenes of Queen Charlotte, a
Bridgeton story with Sam Clement and Freddy Dennis.
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Him Cindy Crawford, and I'm the founder of Meaningful Beauty. Well,
I don't know about you, but, like, I never liked
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Like why even bother saying that? Why don't you just
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Speaker 6 (16:09):
Thanks for staying with us. Now back to our talk
with actor Sam Clement and Freddie Dennis. I was wondering
if you all could speak to the attentiveness of like
Coral Brimsley and Reynolds to the King, to Lady Danbury
Young Charlotte. There are particular scenes that I'm thinking of, Like,
(16:30):
for example, Sam, there's the scene where you are just
five steps behind, five paces behind. You're five paces behind,
and you've got your hand out at Young Charlotte's back,
but you're not touching her. And I was wondering if
you could unpack that moment a little bit.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
This moment for all of us, it basically solidifies who
Brimsley is to the.
Speaker 13 (16:52):
Queen and I will you shall not tell me what
I'm allowed to do.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Your majesty, I am the one person who will never
tell you what you are allowed to do. I will, however,
always tell you how best to do the things you
are not allowed to do. The two of them have
sort of been trying to find the rhythm with one another,
and he's been trying to guide her through this new
role and what it means to be to be queen,
and she's obviously had a lot to deal with and
(17:16):
that becomes more and more intense for her as the
series progresses. Within Bridgitton. You know, he doesn't have to
say very much, but he is always present. His duty
is to serve her first and foremost throughout his life,
and in that moment he wants to be very very
human towards her and support her and hold her and
give her a shoulder to cry on, but he's he's
(17:37):
not allowed to do that. So Shonder Rimes and Tom Verka,
you know, they created this sort of very beautiful tableau
of a simple gesture which would basically be him putting
his hand on her shoulder, and it's like everything's going
to be okay. I am here for you, come what may.
And I think that moment is the foundation of who
(17:57):
they are and what they then become. In the Bridgeton Thus.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And Freddy, similarly, Reynolds has a moment where he busts
through and is like, get off of the king.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I am the king's man, I will see the king. Well, no,
you are not allowed.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I am the King's man.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
I will see the king back.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
To your horse. And I'm like, oh, wait, have they
grown up together?
Speaker 9 (18:22):
You know?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
How long have they known each other? And talk about
Reynolds's care for the king and how you process that
and how you prepared for that.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
I think they absolutely have known each other since childhood.
And actually Cory and I just discussed that quite a lot,
because there there's a sort of unspoken love that exists
between King George and Reynolds throughout the series that manifests
in increasingly dramatic ways. One of the main things about
Reynolds's role is he does a great duty to the
(18:50):
king to look after the king, but first and foremost
their friends. So the way that I connected to that
was just considering some of my best friends in the
world and conidering what it would feel like to see
them struggling in that way. Because George is a deeply,
deeply vulnerable man as we can all see, and Reynolds,
I'm going to say, his best friend just wants him
(19:11):
to be okay, and he wants to take away that
pain for him.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Freddie, your encounter with the lines you give to the
young King George where you tell him that Princess Augusta
has left and he collapses and he sends you to
call for the doctor, and you also tell the young
King George, don't worry, norm will no that you're going
to decompensate. So do you remember that scene?
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
I mean, that's always an interesting scene to me because
I remember after we shot that scene Tom Verica that
won't get in, which was sad because Corey and I
when we got it, we went, oh, wow, this is
a this is our sort of first interaction as George
and Reynolds. There's almost that unspoken bond between the two
of them, and that's a powerful scene because it's the
(19:58):
first time I think you see a hint of Reynolds's
care for George, but also the cracks very much start
appearing for George and you go, Okay, this is quite
a serious problem we have on our hands here. And
that was amazing to shoot, and we shot there quite
early on, and I think it sort of laid the
foundation for a lot of mine and Cory's work.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Any moments from the two of you working together, especially
if you can remember anything from episode two. Any stories.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
We definitely have some stories. Yeah, we have We have
many stories. So we were staying in an airbnb, the
four of us and me and Freddie took a bit
of a bit of a walk in the countryside and
ended up in a field we clearly weren't meant to
be in, and we walked down to this little lake
and it wasn't really going anywhere, so we walked back
and then turned behind us and realized there was a
(20:52):
few cows. So instead of instead of dealing with the
situation calmly, we decided to run and then realized there
was a lot more cows behind us, and then got
trapped in this sort of little center section and sent
pictures to our castmtes and too the crew and everyone
found it hilarious, and we were stuck. We were stuck
there for about forty five minutes, waiting for them to
get bored so we could leave this area and not
(21:15):
get trampled by cows.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I grew up in the Midwest. That's hilarious.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
There were about fifty of them. It was. It was terrifying,
and we were considering what to do.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
We were going do we do we call the police,
what do we say? But the cows never got bored, right,
So we eventually had to hide in the in the
shrubbery waiting for them to go and thinking this is
so embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh but they were pretty fast. Actually they were fast,
a lot faster than us. But everyone on set thought
it was hilarious. They had they had, they had no
sympathy for us whatsoever. And it became the talk of
the set that day and we came on and it
was like, we could have we could have died, but no, no,
no no.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
See from episode two, the ones in Blenham that were
pretty fun to shoot, the ones in the hats. I
love that because I love those Hans, but also that
again they were they were interesting establishing scenes where you
you become aware of the inherent competitiveness that exists in rens.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
In Reynolds and are you starting everyone from the hashtag
I love it. It's better than brim Noles or could
be Breynolds and it's like like Brenol's brothers.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
Yeah, Brennolds is better than I said, brim Noles.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
What am I doing? Where did that cut? Brim Noles? Knowles,
brim slip. I'm just going to stop.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
We'll ask the listeners.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Yeah, the listeners will make their decision, it's all.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
They probably they will. They will decide very quickly. I'm
sure of it. Yeah, because the scenes with the two
of you are really really remarkable, and you just really
do deliver that layer of life that the entire series
really does give us. You allow us to really go
into the story further.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Yeah, it was really fun to watch.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed watching it, because I think
I found it very very terrifying. But I do not
like watching it. I assure you.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I'm sure you're not alone. Tom Verica told me that
actor Hugh Sachs, who plays present day Brimsley, Yeah, spend
the day with you two to watch episode six. I
guess the dancing moment on top of the hill.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Can you tell me a little more about working with
Jack Murphy on that moment?
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Wells, Hugh is amazing. We love Hugh.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
It was brilliant having him there as a friend first
and foremost and as a colleague. The whole dancing preparation
was one of my favorite things about the entire show
because it was unlike anything I at least had ever
done before. I think it taps into Brimsley's and Reynolds's
vulnerabilities in a way that actually a scene where they
were speaking probably couldn't have done. And it almost feels
(24:25):
like a moment of unadulterated joy that neither of them
have had up until this point in the series. Working
with Jack was amazing, and I will be forever grateful
to Jack for his patients because I am not a mover,
but I do think I can now just about do it.
But actually, one of my favorite things about watching that
(24:47):
scene is there is a moment where there is a
definite mistake on behalf of me, I think, or maybe
both of us, and we.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Both slightly it was both. We both giggle.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
And it made it in because I think, and that's
lovely because it just shows how much fun we were
having as actors. But also I think that's very true
to what the moment would have been for Bremsley and Reynolds,
where they go, hey, we've done it, you and me,
you and me.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
And the idea that they get to like steal five minutes,
ten minutes together because it's never more than that, and
you know, they get this opportunity to have a very
intimate moment away from everybody else, and it's it's exactly
what Freddie has said. It's that it's them feeling complete
and utter joy and entirely themselves and not having the
(25:37):
weight of the rest of the world on their shoulders.
They can just be present with each other. Because we
shot that very late on in a night shoots. It
was the last day at Blendon Palace and we were
shooting like quarter past through in the morning, so like
were shooting corposter in the morning. We were wrapping at
four and we had to do our scene and then
we had to do huge bit of the dance as well,
(25:57):
and then they were like, Freddie, we want you to
do a little bit dancing with with Hugh leading up
to the take as well. So we're all just sort
of being thrown around dancing with each other. So having
time with Hugh and Jack and the two of us
in rehearsals was invaluable because it meant that not only
could Hugh and Freddie start to learn each other's bodies,
but I could also start to learn huge body as well,
(26:18):
because part of my way into the character was the
physicality that he has and how he holds himself at
the end of that shot after he has danced. I know,
it just speaks a thousand words as to who Reynolds
is to Brimsley. It's heartbreaking, It is completely heartbreaking.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
It is everyone's going to wonder what happened.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Holiday. He's on a very very long holiday. Where's he gone.
He's on a beach somewhere. He's on a beach. Okay, great,
I think the Maldives probably.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
What's the capital of the Maldives? Marley or Mary?
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Freddie? What was your leap from Giagar you to this world?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I have always wanted to be an actor, but I
I will put it down to a lack of self confidence.
I didn't allow myself to start before me until I
was twenty three years old because the thought of it
excited me, but it also completely terrified me. So I
you know, I told myself, oh, next year, I'll do
Next year, I'll do it. When I go to UNI,
(27:22):
I'll do it. And then I left UNI with a
degree in geography and went, oh, my goodness, I've never acted.
How have I not done this? And I just went, fred,
you have to you have to take the plunges now
or never, and I just knew I would love it.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
So I went to.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Drama school and then four months later I'm Reynolds. So
but it was a pretty terrifying leap. And who knows,
maybe I will end up as a geography teacher one day.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, it can happen.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Maybe your next role is a geography teacher in a
blockbuster movie.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I think that's what everyone wants to see.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, that's what I want to see.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Stick around. There's more with Sam Klement and Freddy Dennis.
They're going to be sharing tales from their auditions right
after this. Hi, Everybody. Katie Low's here.
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I don't know about you, but like I never liked
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a delicious bite of a Keebler Sandies can give you
that comforting pause. Don't forget to pack the melt in
your mouth magic of a Keebler Sandies for a post
lunch pick me up. This magic is baked into simple
short red cookies by Ernie and the Keebler Elves. So
(30:43):
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Speaker 6 (30:55):
Before we jump back into our discussion, take a listen
to what Kelly Valentine Hendry has to say about casting
with these two actors.
Speaker 14 (31:04):
What was really great at the read through, because we
didn't get a chance to chemistry them, was when we
had lovely Freddie Dennis and Sam Clement. So when he
and Sam. At the read through, we realized, oh my goodness,
there's super proper sparky chemistry there. That was really glorious
(31:26):
to walk away and say, we've absolutely got that right.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
That was Kelly Valentine Henry, casting director of Queen Charlotte
at Bridgerton Story. Wasn't that interesting? I mean you would
have never guessed right. Well, we've got more from Sam
and Freddy on their auditions and memories from the early
days of the project, early early days of joining the project.
Let's get back into our conversation, Sam, were there any
(31:50):
full circle moments for you? You know, Queen Charlotte A
Bridgerton Story has a ton of flash forwards in the
way Shondaland knows how to do a good flash forward.
I was wondering if you had any moments in your
life or your career that kind of a feel full circle.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
It related to this show totally. I have auditioned for
the Bridgington World. I think it's four or five times
before getting this part, more than any like long running series.
I auditioned in twenty nineteen for one of the leading
parts in Bridgeston, and then off the back of that
had read for like various guest parts here and there,
(32:33):
and then read four. The initial tape for this was
a scene from Bridgeston. No one quite knew what they
were reading for. And then eventually the audition for the
Brimsley came around. I was like, oh my god, maybe
this is the fifth time. Now. I just went, you
know what, what will be will be? I know the world.
(32:54):
I'm not going to put all of my energy into
this basket and trying to make this work and did
it very relaxed tape, and lo and behold got the job.
So that became a very full circle moment for me
in my career and with this particular job as well.
It was four years in the making. Wow, relaxation is
(33:14):
the key. Relaxation is the key. But also I don't
know if I've told anyone this. I was offered a
smaller part in series two of Bridgington and it would
come off the back of the pandemic and work was
pretty sparse for everyone, and cue lost to my agent
as well for very good agenting. Here he went, so
they've offered you this. It's like three lines, and that
(33:35):
would be great obviously, but they love you a lot
for this world. And I think it's worth just holding
off to see if something else comes down the line.
And if I'd have taken that role, I would never
have been able to read and do Brimsley.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Oh okay, well, thank goodness, because I don't think I'm
alone when I'm like, of course that's young Brimsley. Like,
we spoke with Kelly Valentine Henry and just so you know,
she was like, oh yeah, within the first three minutes
we knew who was who was going to be, which
whatever role they played, So I'm so happy. Tell me
about your first encounter with the actual first scenes that
(34:14):
we see you in. I think that's the five steps
behind on the steps.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Right, Sam, Yeah, on the staircase.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Just really funny. That was that exchange between you and Yeah, Charlotte.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
It is really funny. I first encountered that scene in
the audition. That was the audition scene. Same for me,
because that's what you used as well. Of course. Yeah,
we were well into into the end of block one,
so we've been shooting for like six or seven weeks,
and I sat with this dialogue for so long, and
I felt like I knew the ins and out of
it so much that when it got round to it,
(34:44):
and India was felt the same. We then suddenly got
so incredibly nervous, even though we knew that scene like
the back of our hand. And then I just put
all of this pressure on myself, like I think this
might be a bit stale, and it needs to be snappy,
it needs to be funny. It's the first time we
meet him, so when it came to doing it, it
took me a while of me to loosen up on
that one.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Your delivery is so good, so as India's it's almost flippant,
like is Brimsley being a little smart, you know what?
You know, it was really really funny.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
He's just like he's just like, just do your job,
Just do your job. Just don't mess up, Just don't
mess up. And she's making this very very hard. Just
don't mess up. And then when she starts talking about
the king, he's like, well, that's a kind of worms
I don't want to open. He's the king, he's this,
he's that. Please stop talking to me.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I think it's the moment you say those are facts,
you're mad. I'm like, okay, this is this is going
to be an interesting relationship. Yeah, So Freddy a lot
of first experiences for you on this project. Do you
have any favorite firsts or do you have any favorite scenes?
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Well, I love the scene where I'm riding the horse.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
That's so.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Tell me about tell me about shooting that scene.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
Oh my goodness, it was. I was completely terrified. I
was there. I had to come down and watch it.
I couldn't not be present for it. I think everyone
came and watched it.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
They prepped me for it for months, which is funny
because it was only a sort of ten second scene.
But obviously I'm not wearing a helmet. But I was
absolutely terrified. I was on this lovely horse. They kept
saying he was lovely, called Mufassa, and they went, Mufasa
is definitely not scared of drones, and I went, well,
I'm a bit scared of drums, you know. But every
(36:28):
time this drone went up in the air, Mufassa would
freak out and kind of start moving loads like that
listeners and moving quite a lot, and I have to
kick him twice to tell him to go, and he
would just take off. And I was also aware because
people found it slightly ridiculous that I was on a horse.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
I Freddie was on a horse.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Everyone was watching, so I had to try and play
it as cool as I could.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
A boy, was I sweating? You smashed it though? It
went very well? Yeah it did.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
I'm glad I wasn't wearing a heart great thing.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Oh, Sam, I don't remember if you had any scenes
like that you were on horseback or dealing with other animals. Oh,
you had the Pomeranian all the time?
Speaker 7 (37:14):
I have the Pomeranian pomp.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Yes, how was that? And also with your costumes? How
did you manage that?
Speaker 7 (37:21):
I mean it was she was sort of extraordinary. I
think she was, like I think she was about fifteen
weeks old when we started, because they needed a puppy,
and I was like, oh god, this is going to
be hard work. But she was the best behaved puppy
I think I've ever met in my life. She would
occasionally fall asleep while I was acting, which I think is,
you know, quite an aggressive reaction towards my performance, and
(37:46):
therefore and I will stole my scenes.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
So is there anything else that she'd like to to
say about your challenges onset or challenge with the material
or anything that you overcame throughout the process.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
For me, sometimes scenes can get changed, you know, and
adapted last minute to suit the story as best as
they can. So I like to sit with dialogue for
at least three or four days before doing a scene,
and occasionally things might get changed last minute because there's
a better version of this of a particular scene. And
learning dialogue quite quickly I find quite hard sometimes because
(38:30):
I like to feel very relaxed with the scenes and
with the dialogue. And I think for something for me
that I'm trying to get better at is being able
to turn over dialogue very very quickly. What about you, Fred, I.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Think for me, I learned an awful lot about the
importance of remaining confident and believing in yourself. And there's
a particular moment on set that happened very very early
on actually, in one of those scenes at Blenham in
episode two, when Sam You'll remember, it was very in
my head and I felt like I was doing a
terrible job, and we eventually got the shot. I'd struggled
(39:07):
a bit and Tom came up to me and he
went it really gently, in a lovely way. He went, Freddie,
just remember that this is really really fun, and I went, yeah,
you're You're so right. What I'm trying to do is
I'm trying to do the perfect job, and that's that's
putting me in my head and inhibiting me from doing
my best work.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
So from that day I went.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
And wrote about it in my little diary, and from
that day forth, every day I would try and remind myself, Yes,
this is intimidating, Yes I feel like I could be
doing better, but it's a journey, and b it's an
incredibly fun journey.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
That's so good. That's so good.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
I haven't properly learned it yet, and it's I'm still
on that journey.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Easier said than done. Right, that's so great.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
Anyone's got any tips.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
To please let me know and use the hashtag.
Speaker 7 (39:59):
Brand Reynolds Bremsley, Bremsley, Brimsley. No Reynolds in Bremsley. No,
it's not, it's not.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
In the initial audition that we both both did, Brimsley
wasn't called Brimsley, he was called Bosley.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Yeah, oh I thought it was Bosely.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
Oh you said, boys, Well, I clearly got Reynolds because
I said Bosley, you were.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Basically talking down to me already, and you didn't realize
I think you were saying that because the other audition
scene was the one in the in the chapel when
I've lost the queen on the day of of their
of their wedding and I come in and go, we've
got a problem. The bride's missing, and you go, what
have you done now, Brimsley, And it's so condescending, and
(40:47):
you were like, I think that's what's got me the part.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Well, yes, did you have any other last thoughts before
we wrap up?
Speaker 7 (40:55):
I genuinely think everyone is utterly brilliant in this show,
and I can't wait for everyone see the cast's extraordinary work.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Absolutely, yes, you both were brilliant on screen.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
I hope people enjoy watching it as much as we
enjoyed making it because it Yeah, I don't know about
for you, Sam, but for me, it was possibly the
best thing I have ever done. Yeah, totally, I loved it.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
Sam Clement, Freddie Dennis, thank you so much for your
time today.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
I'm imagining applause effects here right now. Because these two
actors recognized the space Shonda Rhymes carved out for their characters,
and they dug in. They came off the page in
a way Brimsley and Reynolds come off the wall. Okay,
stay with me, the way they come off the wall
as servants and step outside of their roles to care
(41:52):
for Charlotte and George as friends. And you heard them.
That's how they thought of their characters too. I mean,
could you imagine Charlotte's story without Brimsley? Think about it.
If these walls could talk, That's what I think of
when I think of Brimsley and Reynolds, if these walls
could talk. And that's also what I loved about chorl Pey.
(42:14):
Von Sei Deguiyan was brilliant as Chral that familiar homegirl
bestie vibe. You know, Shonda Rhimes wrote a voice that
lit up a part of young Agatha's life that could
have been really lonely, and she tapped into Charlotte and
the King in the same way through Brimsley and Reynolds.
(42:34):
Shawna's way of crafting the dance of relationships is amazing.
Speaking of dance, on our next episode, choreographer Jack Murphy
joins us.
Speaker 13 (42:47):
Many years ago, when the Queen Mother died, my mother
and I we went to see her lying in state
and seeing the four gods standing protecting That's where I
drew the parallel from those four couples either side of
Charlotte and George, so they're not just dancing, but they're
protecting the jewel of.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
The Crown and another special treat. Executive producer Betsy Bears
will also visit us on the next episode. You definitely
don't want to miss. Queen Charlotte The Official Podcast is
executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Lauren Homan, alex Alja Tyler Klang,
and me Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is Tarry Harrison.
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