QLS Classic: Heather Hunter

Retired porn star Heather Hunter talks about growing up as part of Brooklyn's legendary hip hop scene, her time spent living at The Latin Quarter and all the ins and outs of her former industry.

Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This
classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies
and Gentlemen. Welcome to QLs Classic episode forty two with
a pioneering adult actress, Heather Hunter of July twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
What can I say? The name holds holly for certain generations.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Heather Hunter shares a story from life working as a
co check girl in the fabled legendary Latin Quarter nightclub,
to blazing trails in Hollywood and the world of porn.
As the first black woman really allowed in space as
others have yet to navigate or get to in their life.
She also gets older and wiser and tells about her
experience after porn, as a photographer, as a director, as

(00:43):
a singer. So many stories she asked to share. This
was quite a memorable episode with Heather Hunter or a
QLs classic.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I hope you like.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
It, don't don't forget about my.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Suprema Su Su supreme O ro called Suprema Suck Sun
Supremo role called Suprema Sun Sun Supremo role called Suprema
Sun Suck Supremo roll.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Strange things keep happening. Yeah, I gotta say yeah about
thirty pounds. Begged me, yeah to intern specifically today.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Suprema roll call, Suprema Son Sun Suprema role call.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
My name is Fante, Yeah you understand. Yeah, he a hunter, Yeah,
made me a man.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Suprema role called Suprema Sun Sun Supremo role call.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
My name is Sugar. Yeah, I know our guest. Yeah,
we used to live together. What at the Riverbank.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
West Supreme rod called Suprema Suck Suck Supremo role called
amboss Bill.

Speaker 7 (02:01):
Yeah, used to be up church. Yeah, thisyere episode. Yeah,
what's fun to research?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Prema Son Suppreva roll call, Suprema Son Sun Supremo roll call.

Speaker 8 (02:15):
It's like, yeah, some reason, it's moist. Yeah, it's heaven.

Speaker 9 (02:22):
Joy, you're pre roll Heather.

Speaker 10 (02:33):
Yeah. And I think quest put me to a test. Yeah,
I don't know bars I give blow jobs.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Supremo roll call, Suprema Son Sun Suprema roll job Supprema
Supremo roll.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
Well think I've been waiting all day to say that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (03:05):
Uh So, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode
of pust Love Supreme. I am your host, u Amir
Thompson aka Top Daddy Love and with me today's team Supreme.
At the Helm, we have Fante aka Carolina Cushion.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes, indeed comfort, I mean no, you're just Carolina Cushion
to day, you know.

Speaker 11 (03:32):
Next to him is our boom, our boom operator, Sugar
Steve aka Mile Miracle Mandel aka Oil of Oyve.

Speaker 10 (03:43):
What's a mouthful?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
That took me a second? I got it? Sorry? Well,
you know, my jokes don't fly sometimes.

Speaker 11 (03:51):
And we have our director h Next to him is
our director Bill aka Indiana Slick smoke slicks just Indiana bones,
Indiana bones, Indiana bones.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's that's that's a good one.

Speaker 11 (04:05):
And next to him is our first Lady like Ea
aka sweet Pea pinky Toe.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You won't shoot me last time he was Clyde, So
you know I had to. I had to.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
I want to beat that sweet Pea pinky Toe.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, Steven can't beat it.

Speaker 11 (04:22):
Last but not least, Ladies and gentlemen, Our guest today
is uh, I got to say all about history.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
She's pretty much had the best seat in the house.

Speaker 11 (04:32):
Uh literally from watching the classic age of hip hop
unfold in real time. Uh, the hip hop that's effected
our lives as a key staff member of the Latin
Quarter Nightclub, which, as you know, if you're a listener
of the show, we cannot stop nerding out about.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (04:48):
Of course the Latin Court nightclub that made stars out
of Luminary's like Public Enemy, booking down productions, Uh, Salt
and Pepper, Latifa, many others. Uh, even to our place
in history. Uh as an Avan Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I have to say, what's the Avian? The Avian Avian?
I believe it's the adult video av.

Speaker 8 (05:10):
And now I know, yes, I watched those awards, Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, but oh those are the only awards you watched. Okay.

Speaker 11 (05:17):
Well, she's one of the most celebrated actresses in the
adult video genre. She's also a radio host, of recording
artists and art photographer and many more that we're going
to find out today.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
We are going to get to know Heather Hunter.

Speaker 11 (05:31):
One question, so wait, wait, wait, before we ask you anything, Stee,
what the hell was up with your voice?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
What do you mean y'all live together?

Speaker 10 (05:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
What's the what's the name of that place?

Speaker 10 (05:44):
It's everybody?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Is that a building?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
And that's an important forty third and eleventh in Hell's
Kitchen over there and.

Speaker 10 (05:52):
That by Freddy. He's living in the same building.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
It was a new building when we were there. It
was like ninety one ninety.

Speaker 10 (05:57):
Two or something like that, and a great building.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yeah, it's great, really nice. INDI so, and I don't
expect to remember me, but I had a dalmation back then,
and you might remember I was the only person there
with the dalmation.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wow, in the elevator.

Speaker 10 (06:10):
And yeah, during my like Riverbank Days party, I was
a party queen.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well you should knocked on my fucking door.

Speaker 10 (06:20):
It was crazy. Oh my god, they kicked me out.
They build up for too many parties. Yeah, damn. How
many guys have the best store mat?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
What floor were you on?

Speaker 10 (06:29):
I was on the forty third floor?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Wow, I was on twenty three. Wait is this when
you were This is before electric ladies.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
So yeah, this is just five years before you were
even an engineer. It was like ninety one ninety two.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah I was. I was right out of college.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
What kind of money, right, Yeah, now I had two
roommates in a one bedroom.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
All right, I'm not rich anyway. So ever, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 10 (06:55):
It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, so I know this, this is one of these
shows in which.

Speaker 11 (07:01):
I wanted to be absolutely not even wilfer Lee, but
absolutely ignorant, because I want to find out these things
in real real person, in real time, not a real person.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Uh so you're from well, I know that you're from
the Bronx.

Speaker 10 (07:15):
You were, ye, I was born in the Bronx. I
was raised in Harlem and Brooklyn. So so when I
lived in Brooklyn that's really mostly when Okay, downtown Brooklyn
had Albi Square Mall. So yeah, so I used to
hang out and Albi Square all all of us used to.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So did you know Haitian Jack.

Speaker 10 (07:34):
I knew Haitian Jack. I knew everybody. I used to
have lunch with me and Bis Market used to share
the same lunch table all the time.

Speaker 11 (07:42):
Oh, I hear that at Alb Square Mall, every hip
hop liminary tells me that Haitian Jack did his best work.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, the Alb Square.

Speaker 11 (07:51):
For those I believe that Haitian Jack and hip hop
Folkalore was one of the the Jesse James of he
he has.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think he's well.

Speaker 11 (08:02):
People were telling me that he had a collection of
like Everyone's chain, that he ever like slick Ricks chain
and it.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
Was cast that collect it was wold even the lee
patches back then. Really yeah, back in the day. Yeah,
you said limited back off the jeans. It was crazy
doing crazy stuff. You know, collect those as well. But
inside I'll be square. Literally, it was like a melting
part of talented people that were going to birth from

(08:32):
hip hop. It was you never you know, that was
like our lunchtime. Everybody was down there. We would just
have lunch. Some of us would be cutting school, but
it was really more like we're all down there doing music.
We're creating, right, so if we were freestyling, people were dancing.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
We drove born born in the Bronx, Yeah, raised in Harlem,
but really grew up in Brooklyn, right, and.

Speaker 10 (08:55):
Grew up in Harlem too. I was really I'm really
uh wait. I went to in the city when I
was younger. I went to Catholic school, so I was
at Pelletier, but then I went to Fashion Industreet's High School.
I got kicked out of there as well because I
was doing too much graffiti. So yeah, I was just
tagging up all the walls Miss forty five really yeah.

(09:19):
I was in a crew called the craft Work Kings
back in the day. Yeah, so I used to tag
with everybody on a train. I used to go down
hoait and skimmahon and jump on the tracks, go into
the train yard. New York, real, New York, real, for real,
for real, man, everything my name would be everywhere. Yeah,

(09:40):
I was rolling back then during the same eraw of
bo with the dot in the middle Lady Pink Dyamite one.
So I was in the crew of craft work Kings,
like yeah, oh shit.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
Did you ever have any like scary spit moments?

Speaker 10 (09:56):
Was a spit yes, but still yeah, you know, chase
from the cops on the yards literally throwing everything, had
to clean trains never stop.

Speaker 11 (10:07):
So how how how does one man we're killing so
many birds with the stone here.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Because how would one get act? Well?

Speaker 11 (10:16):
I know now like security isn't wasn't as heavy backman
as it was now, right, I mean now you can't
even you know, you stand in front of the turnstile
second and like five cops run up to you. But like,
how does one even like even manage to go inside
the tunnels too without.

Speaker 10 (10:33):
Being back in the days in the eighty nineties, So
all there was was like that little gate, but we
would just jump right onto the track launch. You didn't
touch the third rail, you were good. And a Hoyt
and Skimmahorn that's where all the trains would be, uh
sitting the C the D you know A and that's
those are really the numbers. I was tagging.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
What was it about that particular spot because I also.

Speaker 11 (10:58):
Know that everybody went there when Michael Jackson shot the
bad video, right, they shot at Hoyt and skimmer Horn,
Like everyone's like, that's where you got to shoot that.

Speaker 10 (11:07):
That's the realist, because that was really that's to me,
that's where street art whenever you jumped on the train,
that's for all graffiti artists. It had this something about
Hoyt and Skimmerhorn. That's where you would go at least.
And then there was another yard up in the Bronx,
but I didn't since I was in Brooklyn. I was
always tagging in Brooklyn.

Speaker 11 (11:28):
So was it still regional to the point whereas like
Brooklyn people that mess with you, you wouldn't go past
your neighborhood or oh.

Speaker 10 (11:35):
Yeah, we're free too, tell me fighting tagging on each
other's different crews names than you're fighting all that it
was crazy? Was I was a real tomboy. I'm still
a tomboy, but there's a you know, I've grown into
a lady as you would say, you know, but it's
that tomboy and it's a hard you know, it's in me.
But it's amazing. If I think about the stuff I

(11:56):
did when I was younger, I would not be jumping
on no train tracks, like god, I can't believe I
did that. But I was expressing every day. You would
go to school and you get on the train, your
name was there. It was a beautiful thing. It was
like you see your piece of art just flying through.
And that was really the only way we could express ourselves.
And then when I got in trouble and I had

(12:17):
to clean the trains, that's when I was put in
a program with Keith Haring, and Keith Haring stopped me
from tagging on trains and I was working more on
my black book and then I started painting.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So yeah, damn, So you knew.

Speaker 10 (12:36):
And it's crazy because I was like so most of
the kids that were in his class. You know, it
was because we were.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
You know, so he was a teacher.

Speaker 10 (12:43):
Now he had a program for juvenile delinquent and say
what he calls that could not stop. You know. His
program was really to help kids understand and create themselves,
create art, not on de facing property, but really showing
another place form where you can kind of express yourself.
And it worked for me, Okay, it really did.

Speaker 11 (13:04):
So at the Katch developed like an anti graffiti kind
of So you'll have to clean the trains.

Speaker 10 (13:10):
Had clean trains.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Damn, how do you het that off the train? What
do they give you back?

Speaker 10 (13:15):
Then there was two different ways you had to do.
Before it was like this this chemical stuff and we
had to scrub, you know, And then it got to
a point where they had the sun, the sand blowers,
the paintment movers blow, yeah, the blasters. It would needs
to be at least about ten of us in the

(13:36):
you know, cleaning trains at least. I remember when I
was clean trains.

Speaker 11 (13:40):
So when you were younger, you wanted, you had aspirations
to be an artist or a designer.

Speaker 10 (13:47):
Well, I knew I could dance, I loved hip hop,
I love music. I just knew I was creative. So
I was trying to express myself in any form as possible.
And just like anybody else who's an artist, you know,
you want to get your stuff out there.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So were you there at the park jams? Any?

Speaker 11 (14:04):
Yeah, any notable ones of of memory at least in
the Bronx or in Brooklyn. I don't know like Brooklyn's
true history. I know about Queens And.

Speaker 10 (14:16):
Most of the jams were mostly because I lived in
Four Green, So I lived on the other side of
Fort Green from the Four Green Projects. So a lot
of jams happened with us within Four Green Projects. That
was pretty much like my my life in it. But
if I can't you know, my god, I got in
so much trouble in that park. Let alone, just blow jobs.

(14:37):
But I got you know what I mean. I'm sorry,
you know, doing it in the park, doing Four Green Park?
Oh yeah, that was right park. It was a very
freaky park.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah park. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (14:56):
So but oh, Dodie Bassett was so funny, Like if
I think about just where I grew up, you know,
because they were in Fork Green Projects, So I lived
on the other side where you consider it like Crookling,
you know, like the movie Crookling. So whenever I would
like date somebody in the projects, oh my god, to

(15:16):
fight so many girls to get over to the projects.
So I knew for so long of being so young,
I knew oh Dirty Bassid for a very long time.
So when I got into porn later in life, oh
my god, Oh my god. He would chase me everywhere
and I love oh D that was my boy. But

(15:38):
it just it blew his mind. You know, I think
a lot of people from the hip hop industry that
are pioneers now because we all grew up together. So
to see me take a different direction and then realize
that that was me later, yeah, I was people.

Speaker 11 (15:54):
Did you take a one eighty where I assumed that
you didn't look the guy like you?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You really have not aged a bit since I first
seen you.

Speaker 11 (16:04):
So I'm just saying that the image that we have
of Heather Hunter, you know, the goddess had the Hunter,
was that not your image when you were in your
teens or Yeah?

Speaker 10 (16:15):
I had that image, But then I guess I oozed
it was just oozing sexuality from me. You know, I
had this energy. I guess I wore flat top, I
rocked a chili e haircut. You know, I was in
my own little vibe. But for some strange reason, yeah, ooh, sexuality.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
Wasn't it like a moment? Was there like a moment.

Speaker 12 (16:36):
Do you remember because you said you were tagging you
were tomboy, So were you still you were still had
that sexual inside you.

Speaker 10 (16:43):
It's more when my boob started growing, guys started looking
at me different and things started different. Puberty, I know it,
but you know, I think my traumatic moment took me
a left turn and I went into the streets. I
kind of ran away, so most of the people that
I was still doing music and focusing. I was really
kind of trying to find my way of what I

(17:04):
wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What was your traumatic moment?

Speaker 10 (17:07):
I got raped? That was actually the first time I
lost my virginity. So that kind of from that moment.
When you're in this childhood and impact like that happens
to you, you kind of get lost in translation in
every form which direct, you know. So I think after

(17:29):
that situation, I decided to I think any woman that
or anybody who ever gets raped, the most important thing
is to take control of it and really find a
way to empower yourself through it. So I went into
the sex business. I went into the adult business because
I had all control. It was at that point I

(17:52):
can throw every man that anything he desired or woman,
you know, it was just really what I wanted versus
what they wanted.

Speaker 12 (18:01):
Was it in between the traumatic event and you going
into the industry. Was there any like love situation like
did you have did you fall off somebody?

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Did you have did you get the love making process?

Speaker 12 (18:12):
No?

Speaker 10 (18:12):
I was searching through the love through the adult business
because I started stripping at the age of sixteen. So
that's what makes it deep about Latin Quarters because when
I was running away, I didn't have a place to
stay and there was this guy. I used to go
to Latin Quarter at that time, you know, always Latin Quarters,

(18:33):
and I realized I needed to stay somewhere. And mister Goldberg,
God bless his soul, the owner of Latin Quarters. He
really took me in him and Eddie Bell, he recipes.
Eddie Bell was a great boy, one of my best friends,

(18:53):
and he was like, Okay, you're always hanging out here,
Let's give you a job. And Eddie Bell introduced me
to Goldberg and immediately he took a liking to me,
and I started being a co check girl and working
a door at Latin Quarters. Sometimes I was, you know,
the guest list girl, definitely mostly the co check girl.

(19:17):
But then it goes to the point where I started
working for mister Goldberg in his office because he also
co managed. If I can't remember David Copperfield, there was
something of a business that's.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like yer random.

Speaker 10 (19:32):
Yeah, it's very weird. It's like he had some management
business with somebody else with David Copperfield. So all the
calls would come in, I would take the calls. Things
would happen like that. But then he realized I didn't
have a place to stay.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I was wondering, like if ever one night he was
just like, yeah, stop by the club.

Speaker 11 (19:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:50):
I wound up living in Latin Quarters for at least
two months.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
You lived there, I've heard that.

Speaker 11 (19:57):
Everyone says, yeah, hell, they used to live there. I
didn't know that you literally literally.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
An apartment with a kitchen.

Speaker 10 (20:05):
Now see, people don't realize about Latin Quarters because you
know upstairs and going up towards the attic. Latin Quarters.
If I could remember, the history used to be like
this beautiful like cabaret club back in the days, restaurant
cabaret club. I think it was even brand Thory. I

(20:25):
think Italian off. I don't know if I can remember
the history. But when you went upstairs in the attic
area of Latin Quarters. It was like going into the
nineteen thirties, Like it was beautiful, like the furniture, it
was stuff that you would see like in a cotton
club back in the days, one of those Roaring thirties

(20:47):
and forties, And it was so untouched and you could
feel the spirits and the haunting of the place, you know,
because I stay there. Was really spooky sometimes at night
because then I heard a couple of history. After I
heard about Lane Quarters, was something back in the day,

(21:08):
some lady passed away on stage, you know, just the
history that I was hearing about.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Life back in the sausagezz day.

Speaker 10 (21:16):
Yeah, sausage Jazz days. So well, a lot of people
stayed there. The security guard used to look out for
me there, Okay, I can't remember his name, Such a
good man.

Speaker 11 (21:26):
So when Paradise and those guys started, I guess the
first party was Celebrity Tuesdays, right, So when they started
those nights, I'm just I'm not weirded out because I
guess the same people that tell me these stories of
quote back in the day also the same people that

(21:47):
today thirty years later have sort of.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Just made a just made eye of New York.

Speaker 11 (21:53):
Now like it's gingrified and you know, forty second streets
all Disney fired and tourist out and.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Not as hip as it used to be.

Speaker 11 (22:01):
But you know, I have to I mean as a person,
I grew up an extremely sheltered childhood. So to me,
it's like none of you were worried about the danger
element of that night club, not even the owner. Like
the owner wasn't at all like worried about like any

(22:23):
any danger element happening, you know.

Speaker 10 (22:26):
Because it was danger every night, yeah, pretty much every
other night. It could be nice if we had a
good night, you know, it would be a point.

Speaker 11 (22:34):
Where so good night would would be what like, no
one got nobody.

Speaker 10 (22:39):
Got beat up. But then you'll see gold chains flying
in the air because somebody yanked the gold chain off
of somebody. They would throw it to their boy on
the other side, so you can see it from the
DJ booth. Somebody get yanked, they throw it and throw
it to somebody. But sometimes at the end of the night,
it was great because at the end of the night,

(23:00):
after it was trying to clean up some goal, she
would be God, you got weaves, you got hair, extensions
on the floor, you got stuff that you were like,
but you were coming up there was girls bamboo ear rings.

Speaker 13 (23:16):
You know.

Speaker 11 (23:17):
Let me interject, I'm gonna do a very special version
of for one second. When you hear this, what is
the very first thing you think of? Now, I've heard
people tell me about this, but when you hear this,
what's the first thing you think of?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
So Daddy O told me what I didn't know. Now
this is weird.

Speaker 11 (23:46):
Now as a member of a hip hop man, this
is my calling card. Like, oh, a classic hip hop song?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, no, what's the word on?

Speaker 11 (23:55):
When this ship was played at the Latin Quarter, you
instantly yeah, that was like lost your chain? And yes,
whenever anyone like for people when they hear that role,
it's a traumatic thing.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's in case there's a band.

Speaker 11 (24:11):
From Brooklyn, I go steps, step by steps. So when
that drum roll happens. I found out that it's it's
traumatic to some New Yorkers because.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
That would mean that robbed. You were about to get robbed.
If your chain was stolen, you.

Speaker 10 (24:36):
Gotta be you're definitely had a buck up. There were
certain songs that would go off in the night and
you would just know this is this is what turns
them up, you know. And and yet y'all still played
them and.

Speaker 11 (24:47):
And you went so at no, at no point where
was your life in danger or anything.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, do you know me.

Speaker 10 (24:55):
Personally, no, because everybody protected me. Everyone in there, Like
literally between Paradise La Mumba, I had every from the
X clan to Professor Professor Yea, even my boy from
Public Enemy. Every everybody teddy ted, all of them. They
all were like my big brothers. They no one dared

(25:16):
not to touch me. It's it was, it was this
is a one crazy experience. I was working the door.
This is when l L COOLJ first came out. Yeah,
I love l Let's start off with this. And I
told Elle later because he didn't realize it was me,
you know. But this is when Ella just came out.
He had his radio, he was looking fly, you know,

(25:38):
he was at his peak, you know. And Latin Court
is security was not something to mess with, you know
what I mean. They really didn't care who you were.
They were gonna stomp you out. They won't if there
was a problem. They did not care. It was the
most toughest security. There's no security like l Q security today.
Really hands down, no, so how many. Sometimes it would

(26:03):
be like outside it was so crazy because it'd be
like three or four outside, but by the time something
pop off, they'd like ten people out there. They're like
ten dudes stomping on somebody or even other people from
the club that work in the club. It was just madness.
Was it was so madness. But for some streets reason,
you've you felt at peace. I can't explain it, because

(26:26):
it was like it was like a chaotic church, you know.
I you know, there was something very special about the place,
but then there was something very dark too, you know. Right,
it had this uh definitely this double edged sword when
it came to and because there was so much, so
much talent in that place, Like I would be on

(26:49):
a dance floor with salt and pepper utfo like everybody
clean the teetha light, all of us on the floor
and no one. Everybody know they're talented and they're special,
you know, but it's like you would never know, like
to see where everybody is calipulted to Now it's a

(27:09):
beautiful thing, but you could feel that everybody in that
club was going to turn turn into something. It was
going to be something so what happened with l L
actually came up to me. You know, he's just being
it was all in my face. And at that time,
I was dating one of the security dudes, the head
of security, and he was just blah blah blah blah,

(27:31):
and it was like I was like, back up, and
it was just kind of crazy, and then I just
flipped and I said security and that's all I had
to say. Whenever. It was at that point and as
soon as I know, L was out the club. You know,
he was out the club, you know. And then later

(27:56):
years later, when I became quote unquote head hunter and
years like it, I saw L and I told Elle.
I was like, do you remember me? And he was
like some Latin quarters. He's like, nah, I don't. I said,
do you remember a girl when you had you only
got kicked out Latin quarter once? He was like, oh

(28:19):
my god, that was you.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So was he trying to holler?

Speaker 10 (28:24):
I was trying to holler. But then after you know,
it was and you gotta but you gotta think about it.
He's l L. Every girl wanted l L. Back then.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
He was coming strong.

Speaker 10 (28:32):
But I was a different type of chick and my
man worked he said the security. And I was young girl,
and I you know, like I said, all you have
to do is say security in it with me? It
was this, Okay, the most remarkable moment I remember of
Latin Quarters int when Public Enemy performed. Really, oh my god.

Speaker 11 (28:54):
I'll say, you're probably the only person that has a
positive view of this, because even Chuck himself was like.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It.

Speaker 10 (29:04):
It was so intense. It threw everybody off. And I
think at that time, to me, their presentation, everything that
woul puppic Ennemys stand for and just they staged for
presence was to me gripping, you know. And I think
you know, there was always confident this. You know, everybody

(29:27):
has confidicent what they thought was hot on stage because
they weren't on stage. Everybody was getting an opportunity to
be on stage.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well let me ask this. Can you describe Melly Milons?

Speaker 11 (29:42):
Can you describe Melly Milk because again and all my
and all my research of Latin Quarter folklore, Melly mils.
If the Latin Quarters were the Muppets, then he stalin
like the two guys in the balcony were like.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
For Grumpy, Yeah, like was.

Speaker 11 (30:05):
Were they like the first guys in the club and
the last few guys to leave, or like, what was
their presence in that club.

Speaker 10 (30:12):
Well, it's so funny every between Grand Massive, Flash, Mister Broadway,
all of them. To me, it was just funny because
like back then that era, especially with hip hop, it
seemed like they were every artist was dressing like a
male stripper, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
It was like another member of Earth, Wind and Fire,
and it was it.

Speaker 10 (30:39):
Was like everybody came out to shine. So yeah, everybody
stayed to the end. Some people would leave before the
end because that's when a lot of things would pop
off at the end of the night. Uh yeah, and
those lights would come on and off, on and off,
on and off throughout the night. Music was shut up,
something happened. Lights back on, lights back off, music still going.

(31:01):
Uh but I said, they missed the Broadway. And I
used to laugh because now, if I think about it,
he used to wear these little purple tights, you know, pants,
and you're still the eighties, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (31:16):
Yeah, it's to me that that time and ever there's
nothing like it. I've never experienced anything like that club before.

Speaker 11 (31:26):
Was there a historic hip hop occurrence or something that
you remember where it was just that besides publicain me, like,
was there one moment where you felt I mean, because
a lot of things historically happened. Man, I think what
hammered got booed there and Valve Revenge. I just found
out they cadn't play. Also, uh, their initial group.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember. That's company too.
I remember, I remember to check it myself. I just
loved the fact that you too are going down. You're
not gonna find it on Google built two hype.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
It's like high energy or something like that.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
No, it's something.

Speaker 11 (32:06):
But as that incarnation they got booed and they came
back as kitt and play.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Who were the IOE You dancers?

Speaker 10 (32:14):
I was in the IOU. I was the only girl
in the io You really, so what.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Was it like? Y'all were just a click of dancers that.

Speaker 10 (32:19):
I forced myself in that group, really, I really did.
H And then even with rock Steady Crew because Crazy Legs,
you just teach me how to dance, so I would
be on a dance world with Crazy Legs. But they
were all boy group dance crews. A lot of dance
crews back then, and I you of the best. They
would dance a lot for mostly the artists background, and

(32:42):
then they would do like different segments in between the shows.
So they were pretty much like the house dancers dance
crew of Latin Quarters.

Speaker 11 (32:51):
Ye're here, Like every week they would invent They literally
invented everything from yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Cabbage fast to everything the rebox to you know, didn't
play the felile like oh wow.

Speaker 11 (33:02):
They literally invented every dance that you'd see. Man, you know,
it made it national.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So do you remember the last night of the club,
like what ended the Latin Quarter?

Speaker 10 (33:15):
Honestly, I really it was really about Goldberg was selling it.
You know, he had to sell it. He was just
going on for his own. From that point, I was
in the adult world at that point.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
What year was that? Oh god, around what time was that?

Speaker 10 (33:32):
I think I was by nineteen nineteen years old, eighteen
nineteen eighteen, Yeah, eighteen, that's when I was gone because
that's when I went to LA But yeah, after my
eighteenth nineteenth that's when it started changing over the point
you made before. The most specialties to me was the

(33:56):
most special night about Latin Quarters was when Scottlanrox wake.
That was the most peaceful, touching, night that I could
ever remember of Latin Quarters, like everyone came at peace,
everybody was. It was just one of those moments that

(34:17):
you would never ever forget, you know what I mean,
And even people in there you could just feel like,
you know, we need to do better, right, you know?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I heard that.

Speaker 11 (34:28):
Uh, I guess paradise kind of wanted to change. The
paradise was the the promoter, right, the promoter. Paradise of
of the Celebrity Tuesdays?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Was it always on a Tuesday or any other nights?

Speaker 10 (34:47):
It was on Tuesdays, but then there was always private
events sometime I was there mostly when I was working there,
I was always there, like five days a week.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Celebrity Tuesday was on the Saturday. Actually asked him, with
Celebrity Tuesdays on Tuesday?

Speaker 11 (35:02):
I just meant, were hip hop Nights only on Tuesday?

Speaker 10 (35:06):
Sunday? If I believe I can remember, I think Sunday
as well.

Speaker 14 (35:08):
Look shot at whole he maybe maybe do it.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
No, I meant, was hip hop night only on Tuesday?

Speaker 5 (35:25):
I'm in charge of sarcasm anyway, I don't know what
the hell?

Speaker 11 (35:30):
Well, yeah, what what I'm What I meant to ask
was was I heard that Paradise implemented more the the
afrocentric phase of where hip hop was going to with
the Medallions, with ben Boda's presence there, with the Zulu
presence that he was actually responsible for that and was

(35:51):
kind of trying to phase out the the gold chain
violent side of hip hop due to Scott's death and
now trying to implement more afrocentricity, which is pretty much.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
How so was Paradise. Was he a producer face like
he wasn't one of.

Speaker 10 (36:09):
The Paradise was literally, my god, Paradise Between Paradise with
gold mister Goldberg, he handled a lot of stuff for
him to handle. He banished a lot of stuff. And
then he was a promoter. Uh, there was a few
promoters so now yeah, also but you know you had
read Alert and Special K and Ted they were mostly

(36:32):
the regular DJs in there. But yeah, between Paradise was
the man. He was a guy and he really that
was like that's like my big brother. Oh yeah, definitely.
He just wrote a book. He just put out a
photography book. No half stepan there you go, a I've

(36:52):
seen this gotch but it's one thing and I tapped
on something that's so different between now versus the Latin
quarter era with the girls in the club, you know,
as when I was growing up in the club. Even
this genres even like so all of them can even

(37:14):
definitely can relate to this. We were B girls, do
you know what I mean? So it seems like the
B girl had that era versus now, we had so
much respect. They treated us like they gave us respect.
The men in hip hop, it was like they put
you on a pedestal versus now it's not like that,

(37:37):
you know. And my whole thing is like bringing something back.
I really wish I could bring back the big girl essence,
you know, and make men and hip hop recognized that
versus in the eighty and nineties how they treated girls.
I mean, it's so different, yes, because you know, my god,

(38:02):
you know, I'm so happy I was a big girl.

Speaker 11 (38:08):
So when you graduated New York or did you what
did did you feel like that you were outgrowing New York?

Speaker 13 (38:14):
Like?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
What called you to Los Angeles?

Speaker 10 (38:17):
Porn?

Speaker 12 (38:19):
Don't avoid it, just get it, don't avoid it, just
get it.

Speaker 10 (38:25):
Just don't you just wait.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Talking about talking about you.

Speaker 8 (38:29):
I was like, just get out the Latin court and
go into them because that's where she went. That's where
she went.

Speaker 10 (38:35):
And then when I got back, it was when I
got back then it was a tunnel, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, different, it went from that was my era.

Speaker 10 (38:43):
It went from Irving Plaza to tunnel and things were changing.
Now you know that was my era too, because I
did a lot. I was a promoter a lot for tunnel.
What didn't you do?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
So let's tackle that issue.

Speaker 11 (38:57):
As like, all right, so you you go to Los Angeles,
Like how did you How do you get into the industry?
How does one get into the industry, especially when the
time perre that you were in the industry. You know,
I'm certain that porn is probably one of the most

(39:19):
racist cultures of all time. Like the titles I would
see it was like again like fried Chicken and fucking
all that, all the stuff in mind No, like nah,
I got my uncle, like Ray Victory and barc Fine
three like it was. Yeah, So how do you navigate

(39:42):
your way to the status that you became because as
far as I'm concerned, like you were, at least from
my point of view, you kind of were equal billing
of the white actresses of the of the time, right, Yeah,

(40:02):
you weren't doing like super derogatory.

Speaker 10 (40:05):
It was because I had a really good manager. He
had a magical idea when we kicked me off.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
The magic like, let's treat you.

Speaker 10 (40:14):
Yeah, let's not tell them what your colored skin is.
We're gonna put your first movie out and it's gonna
be Heather. And it was like, we're gonna ignore that.
You're no, no, no, I'm saying, as in, when you're

(40:34):
doing promo, before you're doing promo to put out for
adult like promo goes out. So the whole team was
like throwing out Heather, Heather, and then my face was
so shown. And then that's when I started standing up
for everything.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
But what what's promo? And the adult world.

Speaker 10 (40:52):
Back then promo adult wore was like okay, uh A
v N. When you had the A B n's back then,
so they would give flyers, you promote things. It was
mostly like street teaming stuff, you know. And then you know,
the Internet was only created for porn back then, so
if you were on the Internet at that time, you
knew exactly what was going on, at least with in

(41:13):
the adult world, you know. And then I stood up
for every right from there on, I refused to be treated.
I want to be treated no matter what color my
skin is. So I really stood up. I broke through
a lot of color barriers. I stayed to my convictions.
And it's really about knowing your worth and sticking to it.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
You know how olre you when you did your first
movie eighteen eight I did it on my birthday?

Speaker 10 (41:40):
Wow, what was October first?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (41:46):
Yeah, what was the first?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
What was that experience? Like, just your first time on camera?

Speaker 10 (41:52):
Oh, it's crazy. It was really crazy because I realized
how wild the people were in the business, you know
what I mean. And I was like, wow, this is crazy.
It seemed like I danced through it like I was
kind of like an out of body experience, you know,
do you know what to expect? Like I had no clue.
And then when this girl pulled out this back then,

(42:13):
it was really no dil though. She put out one
of these big massages. She was vibe you know massage, yes, yes, expenses. Yeah.
That was actually the first time I actually was with
on cameras the very first time.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
So the first time was with the girl. It wasn't
with the guy.

Speaker 10 (42:36):
It was no, it was a guy. But it was
my first time actually having a girl. Oh okay, I
mean I was attracted to girls. It was my first
time really going all the way in.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
So I mean, how are you not self conscious about it?

Speaker 11 (42:51):
Like I'm pretty sure that some part of porn is scientific,
as in, okay, stop cut, we need this angle right here.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
And you know.

Speaker 11 (43:04):
There's no manual to guide you through that or any training.
So how do you You just you got to catch on
quick and man.

Speaker 10 (43:12):
Yeah, yeah, honestly, I say, you know, that's why the
difference between now how everybody's really over top with their
sexuality and not really understanding it. When in the point business,
you really have to be a professional. You have to
have that professional state of mind because if you don't
and you just dip in, you can lose it along

(43:33):
the way, you know what I mean. So, oh yeah,
I could lose it a long way. So you have
to already be a natural freak. I think it has
to be already in you have no inhibitions, you know,
comfortable with sexuality.

Speaker 8 (43:48):
But did you know how much of a freak you
were like that age?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (43:51):
Yeah, yeah, because you still have to become more of
a freak, you know what I mean? Like eighteen freak,
Heather is different than ten years later.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
I'm more freakier now, but I'm a domestic freak now.
I got a man, you know, I'm home, you know,
you know. But it's a different it's different dynamic now.
But I think the older you get, you get more freakier.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
You know.

Speaker 12 (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at you to leave this conversation.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
But what is the difference between sex on camera and
or rather, how do you differentiate between sex on camera
and like you say, like domestic sex or sensitizing?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, like how do you how do you how do
you have?

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Like you is it like you have a scene with
somebody and it's like, oh, great job and let's hook
up later, or.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Is it just a line? It's like that was that?
And now?

Speaker 10 (44:44):
Well that's the thing. When I was in porn, I
only dated porn stars males that I wouldn't date somebody
out I call y'all civilians. I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't
do it because honestly, I was like, why you want
to date me doing porn? You know, because I wouldn't
want to date me, you know. So I had this thing.

(45:05):
Now date male porn starts, so yeah, I got to
pick all my men because I work for Vivid, so
it was yeah, we would go from there and then
we would have awkward sex in front of the camera
and everybody telling you to do something. It's just like
you can't even enjoy it. So you would go back
into the bathroom after your scene was done, and then

(45:26):
y'all could actually have and get it in if y'all
were together, if you felt like it.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
So it is acting. How much of that is acting?

Speaker 10 (45:35):
Oh, it's acting. It's hard.

Speaker 8 (45:37):
How can you act with your your body has to respond?

Speaker 10 (45:40):
No, because it's like, okay, perfect example, I was watching
a porn. I just had this discussion with somebody. I
was just watching porn and like I say, if I
meet a guy when I was single, if I met
a guy and he's like wants to pound pound, he's
doing everything like a porno movie. And no, it's like

(46:01):
that in good you know. No, No, no, it's not
good because like when you're watching the porn, even when
we're having sex on camera, we got to speed up
so it looks exciting for the viewer. We have to
we have to do everything to make it look so exciting.
And then when we're about exciting and into it. They're like, cut, okay,

(46:22):
we gotta do this, turn the angle, go this way,
all right, you gotta you know.

Speaker 11 (46:28):
So we got a whole new generation that watches porn
and repeats it and yeah and all.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And they ain't even they ain't need to go now,
I see.

Speaker 8 (46:39):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
You said so disappointed.

Speaker 10 (46:46):
Because they're professional entertainers. That's what we're doing.

Speaker 12 (46:49):
That's a problem. Men watch porn, they think sometimes No.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
It's not that you know, is it.

Speaker 11 (46:54):
I would imagine that for the male performer, it's almost
there's a bigger pressure to instantly performed, because I mean,
women can fake orgasms like no body's visually.

Speaker 10 (47:04):
But now they got viagra. Like in my erar it
was hard, you know. Now the guys are just yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Just saying like just like on que, like okay, let's
hurry up.

Speaker 10 (47:14):
Yeah, Ray victory, perfect sample. He could not come unless
you had red high heels on. Shut it. Yeah, he
was banging so much. He could not come. He did
not care who you were. I remember I had a
scene with them and I had my little you know,
because I was so very girl. Next story, I had

(47:36):
my little skippies on. He was like, they ain't gonna
get it, that ain't gonna do it. That's not gonna
do it. They had to go get me. Yeah, red
high heel.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I was gonna say, I'm kind of like the the
the yoga era of porn and this whole like what
was the yoga era?

Speaker 11 (47:55):
The yoga era? I mean, I mean they have different things.
They have like a lot. It's always the same back up,
Like it's like it's either the pizza delivery scene.

Speaker 8 (48:05):
Oh, okay, set up, Yeah, I just oh, now there's
yoga class or.

Speaker 10 (48:10):
In my head, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I don't know. The sports gym look is not.

Speaker 11 (48:16):
Oh, it's not hot, it's it's not personally sexy to me, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You know it's love who.

Speaker 12 (48:27):
Yo isn't just to get get you out of your
your whole you're going into. Isn't porn one of the
only one of the only industries where the men is
inequality between the men and the women in pay where
the men get.

Speaker 10 (48:37):
Paid less or is that yeah, the men get paid less.
Certain guys, if you're a star guy, you could probably
make more money than the girls. But if you're in
gay porn, they make more money. They make money take
like the women. Yeah, so it's you know, I have
a lot of colleagues that are in the business that
I've been out of the business for twenty eight years now.
I've been retired, so it's been a long time. I

(49:00):
kind of keep in touch with certain people because I
certain people I do like that's still in the business,
or like I like Missy Stone. I think she's a
good person.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
So mentoring a little bit, how do you mentor a
little bit?

Speaker 10 (49:13):
My whole life is a question every day, you know,
my every day is you know, uh, it's interesting. It
comes to my my uh rings on my phone every day,
questions everything. So I think the business itself and I
still and I think people look at me and I'm

(49:37):
not anti porn. You know a lot of people think, wow,
she's not porn, she feels. My only view about porn
is I just really wish that they would practice safe sex.
How was that bothered? Well, I left because I wasn't
gonna I was wearing condoms anyway, as soon as I
came about, I was wearing condoms. But after I do,
I was telling I tell this all the time. When

(49:59):
I did a movie in her life, A vivid and
I was doing a scene in a non erupting volcano.
It was down inside the volcano with Vince somebody for you,
and I'm like, why am I down here? Because after taxes,
it's not gonna be worth it Between my health taxes,

(50:20):
I can't do this no more, you know what I mean.
It's just just I think I started growing up, you know,
I started kind of waking up and realizing, you know,
there's more things that are important, which is your health
and making sure you stay on this earth. Because that
business is like going into war. You can come out
a soldier unscathed, or you can come out and you

(50:42):
can really die, you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (50:43):
How thorough are they as far as making sure that
I had my papers and I'm tested and there's someone
always on the set that's like okay, let me and
someone could lie about it.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Detroit.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, yeah, it was Darren James was him.

Speaker 11 (51:03):
It sounds familiar. I think I just knew that he
went to Brazil and he got infected. I know that
the industry had to shut down for a month or so,
Like who who are the police dogs that enforces that?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
And like in the age that it is now, that
was so crazy it's almost like pull out your iPhone.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
It's impossible to. I mean, you have your set companies
that still the the protocol you take get tested every
time you do a movie. Uh, these people still choose to.
They don't want you to wear condoms, but if you
want to, you have to really insist it. Sometimes you
won't get hired because you just want to wear condoms.
So I was a Vivid So I was contract girl,

(51:45):
So I was able to wear condoms if I choose to.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
What was that the highest owner back then? Like to
be a Vivid like.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
Now oh yeah, even to this day, to be a
Vivid girl, they're still yeah.

Speaker 12 (51:56):
I mean Kim and ray J took them to another level, right,
and then it just went back that was Vivid.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
That was Vivid r R.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
You said that alacrity, that was the empire built for local.

Speaker 12 (52:10):
Yeah, that was the Kardashian empire. Yeah, and that was
probably be a Vivid girl.

Speaker 10 (52:14):
I always will. It's something that I'm not gonna, uh
forget up my life because it was they were a
great company.

Speaker 11 (52:22):
Were your peers as nice to you and or that thing?
Or was it like was it Caddy?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
As far as I know.

Speaker 10 (52:31):
All my the Vivid girls. I was cool with one
I punched in the face. Who was that? That's hilarious.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
You just want to know what she is?

Speaker 10 (52:43):
And one it was one I punched in the face.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Who you have punch? Who was?

Speaker 10 (52:46):
I'm not going to say, why did you have?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
H what she do?

Speaker 10 (52:50):
Uh? We were all on set waiting for her, all
the Vivid girls, one step waiting for I was really sick,
and she decides that she showed up like four hour
She went to go get her hair bleached, and I
was sick. And then she came in just like I
could do what evan, what you're gonna do with it?

(53:10):
Not just socked? What you're going to do?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Did she still do the same?

Speaker 10 (53:15):
My Keisha came out and that's socked and now. And
then they said they sent her home and I finished
the shoot.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
You know, her face was fucked up. Her face was fucked.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
After that, she began like she really wanted to be
my best friend. From there on.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
She didn't want to get posted.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
It's funny, it's funny, but yeah, no, everybody's always respectful.
We were like the Brady.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Bunch, say for.

Speaker 11 (53:39):
The environment you grew up in as a new Yorker
and the time that you grew up and as a
New Yorker, you're very nurturing and not necessarily like usually
there's a hard exterior or a defensive exterior, and most
New Yorkers, I know, like I haven't. I've yet to
hear you say what happened or like any brook when

(54:02):
sort of terminology that lets me know that you're like
you've been.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Through ship and lived through ship. Dead ass.

Speaker 10 (54:08):
But that's that's when I said, Keisha, come, that's my
middle name. That's when Keisha comes out, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Wait a minute, what is your real name?

Speaker 10 (54:20):
My name is Heather Kisha Hunter.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Okay, what made you go into your real name?

Speaker 10 (54:23):
My father he said, be proud of your name. You
have a powerful name.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
So when he found out you were doing Paul, what
was his reaction, he.

Speaker 10 (54:30):
Was like, he was not shocked. It was more or less.
My father always I could rob a bank, and my
dad was like, she's the best bank robber.

Speaker 13 (54:38):
You know.

Speaker 10 (54:38):
I could do no wrong in my father's eyes, which
was beautiful because that helped me, you know, you know
along the way, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Let your mother in the picture as well.

Speaker 10 (54:48):
Yeah, my mom too. My mom still don't get it.
She looked at me like, what did you do so
get it? You know, she still don't get it.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Do you have a large family? You have cousins a
huge family because you are the krim of.

Speaker 11 (55:05):
I mean, your name is pop culture reference in many
of hip hop's rhymes.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Is it weird for your cousins or whatever?

Speaker 10 (55:15):
Like to like, how well my sisters I have to
you know, it's interesting my younger sisters. If you saw
my younger right, okay, yeah, my younger sister. You know,
I knew it was going to be hard for them

(55:36):
because they're both beautiful, they attractive. But what I loved
about them they were raised so strong, good head on
their shoulders that no matter what comes away, or if
somebody was like, oh you have to have a sister
or something, they really handle it. You know, they never
wanted to stray away from it, you know. And then

(55:58):
my male cousins, all of them use my name like,
oh I could get pussys. Yeah, so it's it's interesting.

Speaker 12 (56:09):
What about all those those mcs that you mentioned that
you came up with Latin Quarter, Like, at what point
was everybody well receiving of your career or was anybody like,
all right, let me come talk to you in a corner.

Speaker 10 (56:19):
You know, I have a few, like a few. Thank god,
I've been the same all my life. My character, everything
about me, I've never changed. So you have a few
people that have thrown off. You know, definitely a few
people have thrown off. But then they got used to

(56:41):
it because I think it came with the respect that
I already had within my community, my street, my friends.
It was just already there. You know, I really respect people.

Speaker 11 (56:52):
And something just hit me right now, like literally, when
she said that, something hit me.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I'm sorry it sounded like it. Wait a minute.

Speaker 11 (57:02):
I don't know if you know this about me, Heather,
but I am probably the third most knowledgeable person of anything.

Speaker 10 (57:10):
Soul trained, Oh my god, so trained danced.

Speaker 11 (57:18):
Yeah, I believe that was I was going to say, like,
even then, I didn't put two and two together that
that was you.

Speaker 10 (57:25):
Yeah. I wasn't porn at that time.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Wow, I was.

Speaker 11 (57:29):
Going to say you were on you were a soul
trained dancer as Heather Hunter.

Speaker 10 (57:33):
I snuck in on the line. I used my mother's name,
so I got online. They let me in. As soon
as I was on the floor. I guess because I
danced like I'm New York. They were like, oh my god.
And the Asian Grove the long hair, Yeah, she was
retiring and I had long hair, so they immediately threw

(57:56):
me up. So now I'm up on stage, I'm like, oh,
this is this is great. My boy who had the cane?
I forgot It took like about five shows for I
was going to.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Say, you were only on for seven episodes?

Speaker 10 (58:15):
Yeah, what happened? Eric Cassim, who was the manager, who
was the possession that he knew after he realized, it's like,
oh my god, sat the Hunter, you know, and even
Louis point to the cane. Oh my god, it's Hell
the Hunter. So they kind of hid me from from
Don Cornelius for a while and they threw me down.

(58:37):
Eric kept throwing me down the soul train line. Okay,
let's gets you down the soul train line. Let's get
you down. We're gonna get all these down. And then
out of nowhere, someone contacted the Don Cornelius and say
that you have a point started gyrating twirling down the line.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I bet Pam Brown. It was Pam Brown.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
God was wow.

Speaker 10 (59:05):
Don was like pulled me to the side. When I
came back next time, he could not. This is how
great this was because I would see Don at Stringfellows
at the club in La So He's like, who is
this girl? How did she get into Stringfellas? I'm there
with Marvin Gaye Jr. All of them, and how is
she in here?

Speaker 12 (59:25):
You know?

Speaker 10 (59:26):
And then it clicked and he found out who I was,
and then he couldn't. Uh, I got. I love Don
for this because he didn't want to tell me that
I couldn't be on the show because he thought it
was not right to do. You can't do that, you
know what I mean? Yeah, So I gave him a

(59:48):
break and I did it for him, you know what
I mean? Yeah, I gave him to it and then
I used to and then I said, said, I get it.
You know, I'm just happy that I had experience to
actually do this. And he was like, you cause still
hanging come down and exactly why we do? I go
and chill and I would hang out because I worked
with Eric as well, and Don was just the coolest.

(01:00:11):
And then by that time, you know, friends, and I
had to respect him because you know, he couldn't do it,
you know, he couldn't say, hey, you can't be you know.
So I was like, okay, I'm gonna go. And then
we did a porn on a movie called Get on
a Real Soul Train.

Speaker 9 (01:00:32):
I love Vivid.

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
We just said, okay, come on, we're gonna do a
movie called Get on the Real Soul Train. Who it
was it was me, Peter North. Yeah, it was really good.

Speaker 8 (01:00:43):
Was it a train involved?

Speaker 10 (01:00:45):
No, It's like I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Don't think she means like.

Speaker 8 (01:00:49):
Ah, I don't know that. Do you have do you
have an did you have a no list?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Heather?

Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
Did you have like? Oh yeah, what I get break
it down?

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
My low list was not past three people. Okay, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Three guys are just three girls and guys did the.

Speaker 10 (01:01:08):
Three guy thing and I didn't. It was just too much.
I didn't do anal. I still don't do anal. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
That's like.

Speaker 10 (01:01:19):
It's okay, you still under yeah, you know, just really
she wants to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
She can yeah, after her being when you were under
contract for Vivid at that time, what was the stipulations?
Because I mean, could you dance on soul train or
could you do if someone do a movie like a
not a pornograph movie, but like a regular movie.

Speaker 10 (01:01:43):
No, I could do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
You could do that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:44):
I was just an independent contract. Even though I was
on a contract with them. You're saying just six movies
a year, we would bang out the six movies and
just one month, so the whole year, I'm pretty much
what I want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
And so for doing six movies in a year, that
was enough for you. You could survive off of that financially.

Speaker 10 (01:02:04):
It was adding to the part of touring.

Speaker 11 (01:02:06):
Yeah, yeah, I was touring so okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
And by touring, you was dancing in clubs and stuff.
Oh yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 10 (01:02:12):
Yeah, the money is sweet. That was hard to give up,
you know. But now I make clean money. I call
it clean money. It's not clean and it I call
it non kinky money.

Speaker 11 (01:02:27):
So when you announced your retirement, was I don't know
what was it taken seriously by the industry.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Is it always like you'll be back? Because both of them.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
Cannot get out of the soundtrap of of that industry
for real?

Speaker 10 (01:02:45):
No, I did it, Jasy, I No, I can't came back.
Yeah I did it, Jacy, But no one knew I
came back. Yeah, I came back, and I just privately
signed a contract with the Vivid and I gave them
I think four more movies, okay, and then I completely stopped.
So it seemed like it was part of the same

(01:03:07):
eraror when I was doing films. But I just really
came back into a couple of films and I was done.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
What was it that made you get out? When you
got out?

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
I was done the HIV the Yeah, I was done. Yeah.
I didn't want to catch anything I couldn't get rid
of like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
That, you know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (01:03:26):
Or die, you know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And then when you made the comeback, what was it
that shifted when you came back to that brief time?

Speaker 10 (01:03:31):
I came back for money, honestly, Yeah. I came back
because I had a purpose. I wanted, you know, there's
certain things. I was buying a house, and that's why
I came back. Is when I came back is when
Tupac passed away. Tupac told me to come back. After
I did how do you Want It video, he convinced
me to move back to LA and a couple of

(01:03:51):
months after that he passed away. So I was in
LA and I was just like, okay, let me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Know what was Now.

Speaker 11 (01:04:02):
That's the time when I started to visit l A,
and l A was a hot territory as far as
the height of death Row. Now again, I mean, if
you survived the tunnel, I'm pretty sure that there's no
place that you're afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You can handle death Row if you can survive the tunnel.

Speaker 11 (01:04:25):
But I mean the environment was still hot out there
as far as tension and where hip hop was at
the time, and beef and all that stuff. How I mean,
what was it like for you to see him pass away?
And I knew that you two were good friends. So
now that the Tupac film is out, like, what are

(01:04:49):
your feelings about his legacy and what he bent as
far as the industry is concerned.

Speaker 10 (01:04:58):
Asle that's a lot of layers. I think, Oh, man,
this is when I Tupac always kind of like I
get great.

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:05:11):
Oh it's unfortunate because when I met Tupac, I met
him in New York City, you know, And just like
any hip hop artists that I've known that have been
dear to me by the blessings of like I swear

(01:05:32):
as like angels, there's always like someone looking out for
me in any area that something's about to pop off,
you know, And the time that I spend with Pac
I never saw him an environment of hostile like you know,
I never saw anything violent or you know, So to

(01:05:55):
see that world when he was not around me, it
was like I saw a man that very misunderstudent in
a sense, because you really people don't really know him,
you know what I mean. There was so many layers,
so he.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Was humanized to you, yeah, human dimensional to you.

Speaker 10 (01:06:14):
Yeah. And even the Yeah, A lot of things are
touching for me, even this movie. You know, I think
it's a beautiful thing that they did of Tupac film. Uh,
but I don't. I think it's too close to home
for me, you know what I mean that I don't.

(01:06:35):
I don't. You know, it'll take me a second to
watch that film. You know, if you think about the
West Coast and East Coast beef all those years was
complete stupidity, honestly, And to be part of that history
and know that I have full range to go wherever
I want, you know, and to see how the East

(01:06:59):
was talking about the West and the West was talking
about the East, and I you know, it's like it
wasn't about where you were from. It was just like
why is this conflict? You know? It's just it made
no sense because even when Biggie passed away, Biggie was

(01:07:20):
in La looking to find property. He was really thinking
about staying there, you know, at least getting a piece
of property there, you know. And it's sad that this conflict,
that what's going on, which to me is like guys fighting,
little boys fighting in the playground in sand. You know.

(01:07:42):
It was ridiculous. And to see Tupac pulled from the
west to the side of his east history and then
from the west and have to you know what I mean,
find his way through that, and to see both of
them pass away, it's just na.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
It was just where your friends were. Big as well,
were y'all cool?

Speaker 10 (01:08:02):
Yeah, Me and Big later down the line we became friends,
you know.

Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I'm very after that video, I said, after the video,
like after the park video.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
It was almost too close to BIG's death.

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
So but it's just sad, you know, I you know,
to see hip hop now and just to see people
not really acknowledging history, and at least to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
There's generations culture.

Speaker 10 (01:08:35):
Yeah, you know, I really wish that we could turn
back time, but it's impossible, you know, so we just
got to learn from here and try to educate as
even if they don't want to hear it, you got
to push it down and force it down their throat,
you know.

Speaker 11 (01:08:51):
So right now, are you indifferent to what hip hop
culture is now? And do any of hip hop's current
luminaries do they acknowledge you and your your existence or
is it like what's the environment like for you now?

Speaker 10 (01:09:07):
Is it just like, you know, well, I'll always be
hip hop you know inside mep ho today. Yeah, what
they call hip hop today. I think, you know, you
have some good stuff. I think back in the day
you had more. Everything about hip hop was wonderful, you know.
So now it's like certain people I like certain people

(01:09:30):
I don't pay attention to. I listened to a lot
of old school stuff. I love Kendrick Lamar. I think
he's cool. You know it is there's a there's really
not anybody moving in the unless I hear a song
you know that goes, hey, this is who is that?

Speaker 13 (01:09:49):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
So you're not on your app every five seconds?

Speaker 10 (01:09:54):
Like let me get I'm a prince head, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
I really love that.

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
So the truth And I like music, honestly. I like
music that makes you take your clothes.

Speaker 13 (01:10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Friends, Why the book is name Insatiable.

Speaker 10 (01:10:08):
Yeah, is one of the and there's a character in
the book named Martha that yeah books. This is actually
my first, but I actually have a whole collective series
that coming out that I'm working with editor. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:10:27):
Because it's interesting is you're writing these books, but then
I'm hearing your story when it in regards to hip hop,
and it sounds like there's a lane there that you
can I mean as well as well as what you're
you're writing. But do you ever think about that, like
really going over your life story as far as the
hip hop lane and things?

Speaker 10 (01:10:41):
But that's the book you really could read that. It's
like an urban Bookie Knights. It's Q, isn't it about?

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
All Right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
So speaking of BOOKI Knights, how I always now I
have to ask a formal point star to get how
authentic is that movie?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Or like how true to life is it?

Speaker 10 (01:11:02):
That movie was touching? Yeah, you know what I like
about that movie show that the dark versus always glorifying things,
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Uh, do you think we glorify it too much as
a society?

Speaker 10 (01:11:17):
Now? Yeah, to the point that ten year old girls
are ready to be a porn stars and they don't
understand that. It's like they're not even born to be that,
you know what I mean. It's like we're forcing it
on them. And that's where I kind of I'm really
about anything that's adult. I like it in an underworld.
I like where we were at, you know, so you're

(01:11:39):
not segregated.

Speaker 12 (01:11:40):
You're not for these apps like the porn hubs, the
black to get off.

Speaker 8 (01:11:44):
Though you said you're trying to get off.

Speaker 10 (01:11:48):
That the only one I'm trying to get off though,
I'll go to my together.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
I think you're on some of those though. You know that, right,
you get your money?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Can you watch yourself?

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
But do you watch with the critique?

Speaker 10 (01:12:00):
Like crazy? Even me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
So what is like? So? What is to you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
What are staples of bad pornography? Like something that the
average viewer would never even when a girl.

Speaker 10 (01:12:13):
Looks in the camera. I hate that, Okay, Oh that
bothers me.

Speaker 13 (01:12:16):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:12:17):
It's like, if you're gonna look in the camera and
you look at me while you do, say my name,
and if you can't do that, then don't do it.
I don't like when you're watching a video, you know,
I don't. I don't like when the girls look like
they bored, like they look like they're thinking about shopping
while the guy is fucking them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
See now you would, you would critique it like we
critique music.

Speaker 11 (01:12:40):
So it's mhm, where you know, like someone's phoning it
in from home, or they could have did that verse
better or that sort of thing, right, someone, can you
tell them what to look for to know that someone's
not into it or they're not into it.

Speaker 10 (01:12:54):
Or shows you yeah, because it shows that you know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Some game, Like how what are some of the tales
we can see? Okay, she's bullshitting, well, she's real, like
she's really enjoying it.

Speaker 10 (01:13:07):
Pussy has to be wet.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
Okay, you can't even real quick And.

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
Just nowadays I know thise porn and we've been watching porn,
right baby, watching poor lately. Yeah, we've just been watching
a lot of porn.

Speaker 8 (01:13:20):
Porn.

Speaker 10 (01:13:21):
Even with the porn, it's like some of the they
don't do that anymore. It seems like nobody's losing lub.
So back in the days, we used to lose a
lot of loop. But they're not doing it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:29):
How do you know they're not doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Though?

Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
Because I'm watching I've been watching it lately, and I go, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
What it looks like?

Speaker 8 (01:13:34):
Yeah, because I'm like, can they just pause tape.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
And then edit?

Speaker 12 (01:13:37):
You know, there's no pause and tape?

Speaker 10 (01:13:41):
Okay, Nay.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
How do you feel about the rise of amateur porn
like people just you know, making homemade porn and putting
it out there.

Speaker 10 (01:13:50):
That's the point that, honestly, I feel it's dangerous really
just because you stop being regulated health wise, you know.
And that's where I say it's just out of hand
now because us you got Mom and Popper companies opening
up and no one's really.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
You know, yeah your iPhone is a port, yeah, going.

Speaker 10 (01:14:10):
Hey, we should these people should be tested and stop
being it's enforced. It's not happening, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:14:18):
Housewives parties, Yeah, yeah, that's this whole category.

Speaker 8 (01:14:21):
It's kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Crazy when you talked about some of like the darker
size of it, like the Boogie Knights address what were
some dark parts for you?

Speaker 10 (01:14:39):
No, you know, it's it's too it's too too dark.
It's not about dark, it's just too personal. But put
it like this, I was on the set and something
happened and I really didn't understand why no one was
so sensitive about it, you know, And I got really

(01:15:01):
upset and I kind of flipped out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Something happened to you, or something happened just to someone else,
or just one something happened to me, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Is okay? Well out of the ass?

Speaker 8 (01:15:10):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:15:12):
Can I assume that this is more of a cultural understanding,
because again I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:15:18):
Okay, let's let's be real. I'm gonna be real with you.
Could I say it enough? Wait? Does to sound stinky?
I was on set, you know, and I caught my
menstoration on set. Oh and it was a woman director
and they want to continue doing the scene.

Speaker 13 (01:15:37):
Huh.

Speaker 10 (01:15:38):
And I'm looking at her like, what is wrong with you?
Like everybody looking at me like I'm crazy. I'm like,
I'm bleeding. Is what's wrong with y'all? And I'm looking
at all these people like, oh it's nothing. I'm like,
something wrong with y'all? People, Clearly something is wrong with y'all.
And she didn't. From woman to woman, I thought she

(01:16:00):
would be a little bit more sensitive and a little
bit more empathy. And I had to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Flip on her getting the shot and it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
Was really really you know, and then I was just like, oh,
this is really nasty. This is that. But it was
like little things that would build up to go, Okay,
this is not for me anymore. I'm really kind of
I'm I'm taking things too personal now when this is
a professional business.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
You feel me when you got when you got out,
and you were saying earlier that you know, when you
were in porn, you only dated porn stars. Yeah, so
then when you got out, what was dating?

Speaker 10 (01:16:32):
Like, woo, immediately I got married. Someone scooped me up
and married me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Got So, how long you guys got married?

Speaker 10 (01:16:38):
Yeah, immediately after I got up poorn, I think. I Yeah,
I dated him for six months and I was married. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Oh and this is your I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:16:49):
No, that was a long time ago. No, I was like,
I was twenty one. I was twenty one, so I
was only married for a year. Yeah, great guy, but
you retired. Didn't know what I was doing, you know,
great man, a credible person. You know we're best friends
to this day. But I was just too young, you know,

(01:17:10):
I just got a porn I've never really had a
real relationship before, so I was really and he was
such a good person, a wonderful person. So you know,
I just things happened too quickly, and I had to
really understand the difference between relationships and not being not

(01:17:31):
in a relationship, you know, physically, if I was learning
my way through relationships, because all I was doing before
was just performing and having sex.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
So then once you guys got divorced and you went,
I guess you started dating again.

Speaker 10 (01:17:44):
I started dating. It was like getting on a bike
and learning how to ride and falling off a couple
of times, you know, until you got it right. And
you know, I think I think even now, I'm forty
seven years old, and I got it right nine years ago.
You know, I'm with my man now and I finally

(01:18:05):
could truly say that, you know, I'm really in love
and I know the difference between love and lust. You guys,
I hunted him down, I found him, I found him online.

Speaker 8 (01:18:22):
But it does work good. I'm doing that now, so
that's good to know. Yeah, it's all right. You have
friends in the room, because.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
It is not really the thing anywhere.

Speaker 10 (01:18:32):
It's impressed with his talent. So that's how we met.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I pressed with his talent.

Speaker 8 (01:18:39):
You can't just leave that out there like that.

Speaker 10 (01:18:41):
You gotous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Like that is he you work industry as well, sleep.

Speaker 10 (01:18:53):
Online singer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
It was amazing.

Speaker 8 (01:18:59):
It was sponte.

Speaker 11 (01:19:01):
Yeah, so that was's first one in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Anyway I could like to stroke uestion. I thought it
might be a DJ.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
You mentioned that in your you mentioned a minute ago
about working with a bad experience working with a woman director.
How many is it common to see women working behind
the camera or not behind the camera, behind just behind
the scenes in general and porn like that.

Speaker 10 (01:19:26):
It was very rare, very rare. Back then, it was
very rare. Now, yeah, there's a lot of women that
are behind the camera. But back then, that's why I
was thrown off.

Speaker 8 (01:19:34):
I'm like, yo, was that a woman of color? Did
you went through that way? I was curious?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
No, No, Well, after your you're standing in the.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
Industry, criologize afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Okay, well all's well and as well. So after your
run you signed the.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
Tommy Boy Records. Yeah Island Records than Tommy Boy.

Speaker 11 (01:19:57):
Yeah okay, yeah, so what Yeah at that point where
you're trying to figure out, like, okay, what am I
going to do for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
The rest of my life?

Speaker 11 (01:20:05):
Were pursuing pursuing pursuing passions or like what.

Speaker 10 (01:20:09):
Are your passions? I'm just just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
What are you passionate about now?

Speaker 11 (01:20:13):
Like what is your well, I know that you're deep
into art photography, and like what are your passions now
that you're you're pursuing now your bucket lists.

Speaker 10 (01:20:22):
My books, you know, writing my photography books. I love shooting,
so I have the photography business at my studio, and
my documentary is important. Right now, I'm about to do
my documentary and then the book that you're in that
I have called The Unforgettable, I'm still working on that.
So I'm closing out a lot of products right now and.

Speaker 8 (01:20:44):
The documentary of my life.

Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
Yeah, I'm ready to talk now. I'm actually really expressed
with I'm very private person.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
And you're directing it yourself. Yeah, that's kind of weird.

Speaker 10 (01:20:56):
Well, usually I'm having someone produce it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
But I'm okay. I was going to saying, like just
to have another voice in.

Speaker 10 (01:21:03):
The room, and I'm having somebody produce it. Yeah, but
I'm putting it out as my own production. You know,
I told myself and I said it not too long ago.
If I'm going to sell my soul again, I want
to sell it to myself.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
You know, you felt like you said your soul doing poor.

Speaker 10 (01:21:20):
You sell yourself every day for any you know.

Speaker 11 (01:21:26):
I sold my quest, Yeah, and I sold my soda Pandora.

Speaker 8 (01:21:33):
My soul is not for sale.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Transfer her now let me know in the next Luminati meeting.
Send me a minute.

Speaker 11 (01:21:47):
When when do you when do you plan on wrapping it?
And what would the story arc be of your documentary?

Speaker 10 (01:21:55):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:21:55):
And how much will you reveal to us in this
documentary of your life?

Speaker 10 (01:22:01):
A lot? Okay, especially for someone who doesn't talk, so
you know, you're not I have an idea's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
So you're doing me a solid right now, or she's just.

Speaker 10 (01:22:14):
Not saying no, I don't even do that many interviews
you know anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:22:20):
No, I feel whenever I feel comfortable and it's a
vibe I do those type of interviews, I feel it
and I yeah, there's so much about me, you know,
I hold so much inside me of so many people's lives,
even my own, you know. But and it's so much
respect that I have for people. But then there's there's

(01:22:42):
things that I can share and I could talk about
experiences I know that can help somebody else, someone can
relate to, you know, And just so I could really
get tired of people asking me about Tupac, you know,
so I could really kind of touch a little bit
closer on how I feel and just things.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
You know, did you have any children?

Speaker 11 (01:23:05):
I have a step son right now, Okay, yeah, anything
like you that you I.

Speaker 12 (01:23:12):
Don't think it would be I have other questions, but
I don't think it'd be appropriate.

Speaker 10 (01:23:15):
I just asked the question.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
She's self policed in himself.

Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
That's that's I am.

Speaker 12 (01:23:21):
Because also I'll respect the fact that you've moved on
and you've been retired for twenty years.

Speaker 10 (01:23:25):
Talk about so we can talk about like, Okay, let's fun.

Speaker 11 (01:23:29):
Let's y'all gonna have to exchange numbers.

Speaker 8 (01:23:37):
We keep it on.

Speaker 12 (01:23:37):
Blow listening to this is not listening to this episode
with Jackie turned it off real quick, jack or Miss
Jackie keeping on with tail the mirror that you turn
it off.

Speaker 8 (01:23:49):
I wanted to well, I was going to ask you
about the evolution because you talked about blow jobs.

Speaker 12 (01:23:52):
Oh my god, I just and so I just wanted
to know. I want to get advice first, and it
was interesting to me in the evolution of the blow job, right,
I know Superhead and she who Superhead was a big thing.

Speaker 8 (01:24:09):
I don't know if you remember, but the two handed
thing or whatever. I just wanted to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Talk about I always thought she should have been superhands
rather superhead, And how did.

Speaker 8 (01:24:17):
You feel about that?

Speaker 12 (01:24:17):
Because she had she did use both hands, but she
was called superhead, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:24:21):
I don't know if you ever.

Speaker 10 (01:24:22):
You know, I actually never watched her.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Like I think when she left it it's like she
says she's.

Speaker 8 (01:24:28):
Been watching porn the whole time.

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
I just, you know me, Superhead wasn't poorn.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
She was just a girl who just gave head. So
I didn't really look at her as a pornal stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
You know, do you have any new girls that you like?
A new guys or girls that you like?

Speaker 10 (01:24:44):
I like Missy Stone, Okay, I really like her because
I like when a girl is just bouncing and having
a good time and just like she's enjoying that dick.

Speaker 12 (01:24:52):
You know, she's gonna ask you like favorite position situation
that you like to watch?

Speaker 9 (01:24:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:24:59):
I like dog. Okay, even now with the you were
talking about the double hands, Yeah, but even this way
is even double hand. It's just that's so traditional. That's
why it throwed me off that that was like a
big you know, what is non traditional?

Speaker 8 (01:25:14):
Heather?

Speaker 10 (01:25:15):
What is non traditional? If it was not non traditional,
it's just a regular stroke. But to me, that's well,
I guess I don't know. It's just me is about suction.

Speaker 8 (01:25:27):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:25:28):
It's like if a woman could really create her mouth
as a penis pump, then she's learned her technique.

Speaker 8 (01:25:36):
I'm sorry I had to take that in.

Speaker 10 (01:25:38):
Okay, think about it, Winds. Think about.

Speaker 8 (01:25:45):
Here's another question. Is there something that you because.

Speaker 12 (01:25:48):
This is man, I wish you could really just advise
and write a book on the list of things. Is
there something for the blow job outside of your own
natural hands, mouth or.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
Whatever that you would advise to help get results?

Speaker 12 (01:25:58):
You know some people Okay, I know this might sound antiquated,
you know, but I'm gonna go Altoyd, I'm gonna go Ice,
I'm gonna go you know.

Speaker 8 (01:26:07):
I don't know about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
That was Bill.

Speaker 8 (01:26:14):
I just say, pop.

Speaker 12 (01:26:15):
Rocks, this is we're on the blow jack.

Speaker 8 (01:26:21):
I need to put Is that a crazy question? How
that that was crazy question?

Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
Should?

Speaker 8 (01:26:27):
I said?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
So? So what do you use?

Speaker 12 (01:26:30):
Other than yes, there are there other things that you
can advise to help with the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
America requards.

Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
No tong row.

Speaker 10 (01:26:45):
He she has me stuck. I feel like I have
one in my mouth right now.

Speaker 12 (01:26:49):
Tongue roll, because I learned that the tongue ring, the
tongue ring is not a guarantee when this is what
I had one in college.

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
That's really more of a male, a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Male, goddamn tongue.

Speaker 8 (01:27:00):
You wasn't looking in my mouth. No, I had it
for like two years. But I mean, it's not for.

Speaker 10 (01:27:09):
Wolves, Okay. I don't even think it's about what you use.
I pouring loube in your mouth is a great thing,
but I really think it's very important to think of
your mouth as your vagina. Thank you, and if you
count master that and you're giving the best head possible,

(01:27:34):
you know. And I have to go back to being
a good girl now because my man is in here
and you know.

Speaker 8 (01:27:40):
Trying to figure how I'm trying to figureut how to
make my mouth? How do you make your mouth?

Speaker 10 (01:27:46):
Keegel?

Speaker 11 (01:27:46):
Look, look, I'm taking over right now, taking over my own.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
I have a question. It is actually kind of warming
here right now. We briefly touched on on your music career,
and I think we should get back to that your
first releases were house music.

Speaker 10 (01:28:09):
Right, house music?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Why didn't you start out with a hip hip hop?

Speaker 10 (01:28:13):
Yeah, at that time, I was really passionate in house
because I was hanging out most of the house clubs
and yeah, I was performing. And then Cookie Gonzalez came
in saw my performance at Red Zone, and then I
got a record deal and then we figured this. At
that time, house music was big, you know, dance music.

(01:28:33):
And I did really good with that track, hit the
Billboard charts with that one. And where I left Ireland
after I tour, I went to Tommy War Records, and
that's where they messed up at me because they were
trying to turn me into like Mary J. Blige and
I really wasn't that and they really should have had
me do hip hop at that time. And I got
put on the shelf and they gave me all the

(01:28:55):
rights to my music and I left Tommy Boy and
then I decided to put out my own album because
me and Nelly, actually Nelly taught me how to rhyme,
and me and him was on tour before me putting
out the album for like a year. He's doing put
it in the mouth. I'm rhyme into an m O
P track and that was our show and we had

(01:29:17):
strippers and midgets. It was on my and we to year.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Was that was that before you did the premo Joint?
Or was that was that that same album?

Speaker 10 (01:29:29):
That was that was before and then wait joint?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Yeah? Yeah, I thought you said that, Like no, I
thought you like I did not know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:39):
Yeah, your website, so I figured that you probably would have.

Speaker 11 (01:29:43):
Seen you shot a video for that one, right you
guys we shot.

Speaker 10 (01:29:48):
A video for the So Serious, So sincere I think yeah,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
In this industry wrapping.

Speaker 10 (01:29:57):
It was called freak Like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I'm sorry, prey bo I always teach them about.

Speaker 10 (01:30:05):
And that's back to that's my boyfriend. Back at OQ, so,
I had a lot of people, all my friends wore support.
They really want to see me do something different with
my life. So whenever I want to do something, everybody like,
come on, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
That's dope.

Speaker 10 (01:30:16):
So that's how I kind of have been very successful
as well in because I've gotten a lot of support
from a lot of my friends that are hip hop pioneers, artists.

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
Everything you know was mainstream film, something you ever wanted
to do?

Speaker 10 (01:30:32):
Or I did a couple I just made sure I
was in ones that I really wanted to be in.
I did American gang stuff, but you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
Didn't have any You didn't have no desire to be
like you know the next No, okay, no.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
What advice would you give or pointers would you give
to any girl point stars now that are looking to
transition and get out the game, which is something that
you've seen have done really well.

Speaker 10 (01:30:57):
But well, you have to give it up completely. You
can't do both. It's impossible. Because they were telling me that,
you know, I was trying, and then I got it.
I realized I said, Okay, maybe I have to stop
all the way completely to really be taken serious. But
then at the same time, I'm still expressing myself in
a you know, an erotic way and everything I do.

(01:31:18):
So you just gotta be real with yourself. It's just like,
and you gotta really I talked to many girls. They'd
be like, I want to do this, I want to
change my life. But the same day they still swinging
on the poll. They ain't going nowhere, you know. So
it's really something that you really want to change it.
You got to stick to it, and you've got to
really strip yourself from that money to learn how to

(01:31:39):
make a totally different type of kind of money. It's
a lot. You really got to strip down, because I
literally stripped down from the porn, from touring, stripping all that.
I had to give that up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
So when you stop, you stop everything walk away.

Speaker 10 (01:31:55):
I had to stop because I knew there was nothing
going to change if I didn't. And then thank God,
you know, family, friends, I just have a good support system.
You know, I'm good to people, so it's a blessing
that they're good to me.

Speaker 13 (01:32:10):
You know, it would be dope to see you get
back in the talk show game. Do you ever think
I'm gonna do a radio I'm gonna do a podcast shows. Yeah,
I'm thinking about doing a podcast.

Speaker 10 (01:32:26):
You know, I'm just I get up and I just
thank God, blessing, and I'm so appreciative that i can
get up and just be myself and figure out what
I'm gonna do the next day. You know, I'm at
that point in life where nothing really I think the
old I've gotten even just more success and just changed
and I just don't really sweat. I just kind of

(01:32:47):
enjoy life because you know, I'm learning as you lose people.
It's a lot of people dying. You know, you realize
you just gotta enjoy every minute. So whatever I'm gonna do,
hopefully people like it. They don't, I don't care because
I'm happy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:33:02):
So just just maybe we might have our seventh member
of the Team Supreme. Anyway, Hunter, I want to thank
you for everything.

Speaker 10 (01:33:15):
Fun I enjoyed you. Can I just say something? When
I saw you at Brooklyn Ball, Yes, I thought it
was adorable because I was at my my security guy
and he was like, what are you doing. You're going
straight up the DJ boof what are you doing? I'm
going to say, hello, what are you doing? You're gonna
You're not gonna know you what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:33:36):
Yeah, pointed on him and at first he was like what, oh,
you know what I mean? And I just you know,
I met you years ago. I don't know if you
remember with Scott and Philly when you were in the studio.
I forgot that Scott was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I forgot Scott was in my group. Was damn.

Speaker 10 (01:34:03):
So he's really good. That's why when he was like,
I know I know him from you know, so it's
really a pleasure. I'm glad you wanted to come over
here because this was fun and it's always going to
go talk about lack quarters. That's that was life.

Speaker 11 (01:34:14):
Well, I think you is there anything that you've learned
this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Bill, I'm I learned like he's a closet freak. Yes,
I don't think it's closet.

Speaker 8 (01:34:29):
I want to I want just looking for a suitor.

Speaker 11 (01:34:39):
Uh, all right, we're gonna find we got to have
a fine like you and and and unpaid Bill.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
Oh No, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good. Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
I guess I've just learned. You know, you just kind
of you know, just hearing what the story. Uh, just
the thing about just listening to yourself and just kind
of knowing when it's time to walk away, like when
something just ain't if it's not feeding you no more,
and if it's not, you just feel like, nah, I'm
past this. And then also I guess giving yourself permission
to say that I can do something else. I think

(01:35:17):
it's a lot of people that you feel like, Okay, well,
if I'm known as this, then there's no way I'm
ever going to be known as something else. But it
really ain't got nothing to do with other people. It
really is about you giving yourself that permission to say, nah,
I can do what I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Want to do, you know what I mean? So now
that's it really is.

Speaker 10 (01:35:34):
And you know how crazy this world is now, So
just gotta be proud of who you are. I'm proud
of every aspect of my am. She'd she's really a
big Prince fan.

Speaker 7 (01:35:43):
It's a chapter in this book called Erratic City.

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
I'm a huge fan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Yes, you are? You ever get to meet him?

Speaker 10 (01:35:51):
Yeah? I'm saving that story. Yeah, that's going to my doc.
That's going to my document. Actually, do you like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Steve Dalmatian? Steve?

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
I'm sorry, yeah, no, I mean you're really lovely and cool.

Speaker 10 (01:36:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
I found it interesting that the nicest person she met
in her life was named Goldberg. I learned that talking
about blow jobs with Lightdy in the room was as
disappointing as I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Thought it was.

Speaker 8 (01:36:31):
You could have added said something.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
And I have one question. So if you're on forty three,
I was on twenty three. If I heard you were
having a party and I came up and heard the music,
I knocked on the door, would you have let me?

Speaker 10 (01:36:48):
Oh? Yeah, okay, ship everybody was coming people come from
the floor except for Steve. Okayah, I have nothing raunchy.

Speaker 12 (01:36:57):
I actually I learned a few things I was and
say number one, I learned that it's dope that if
you are a dope individual and you demand respect, you
will continue to get it, because I just think that's
amazing that all those men, those mcs, no matter what
you did, respected what you did and respect who you
were as a person, also thought it was dope that
you've done like twenty thousand things. So I've learned that

(01:37:18):
let's try to do as much as we think that
we can, because you never know what you can and
cannot do. And she used my mother my mouth as
a coochie.

Speaker 10 (01:37:26):
Yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Should have known that.

Speaker 9 (01:37:31):
Find it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
I've learned that we could never let light Year get
the last guy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
You word on my shelf.

Speaker 11 (01:37:38):
Ladies and gentlemen on behalf of light yea who might
be back next.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Time or might not?

Speaker 11 (01:37:46):
Or the twenty third floor who was Bossville fan Ciccolo
Unveville and have the Hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
This is Quest Love signing off. We will hopefully see
you on the next go. Ram Course.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode
was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts
from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
you listen to your favorite shows.