Ep 5: Golf, Glute Kickbacks and the Growth of Women’s Sports with Evan Childs

On this episode of Quiet Please! hosts Mel Reid and Kira Dixon catch up on their week before diving into an interview with fitness instructor and entrepreneur, Evan Childs. Evan talks about her newfound passion for golf and her journey from playing D1 college softball to launching her fitness brand, NOVEL. She shares the challenges of creating athletic wear that fits women like her and how she identified a gap in the market for stylish, functional sportswear. The three talk about Evan’s experience with reciprocal IVF, her coming-out story and some of her thoughts on what’s necessary for the future success of women’s sports. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Okay, it's Wednesday, which means it's everyone's favorite day of
the week because we have another episode Mel of Quiet Please.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
I am good. I had a lovely little getaway with
my wife for a couple of days last week, which
is very nice get away from the Little Nugget for
a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
So that was great, lovely, exciting for you guys.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
All good.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
No, no anxieties, no anxieties.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
We were great. It was exactly what we imagined, so
it was perfect for us. We needed it for sure.
We're excited to get back to the Little Nugget. And
then the oldest living man in England is coming to
visit me on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
My father, Oh wow, he's going to see his grandson.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Kia Kia.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yes, he calls Kai Kia. He gets the iron a
mixed up and I have to constantly remind him that
he is not an electric car. But yeah, my old
man's coming in town. On Wednesday. I actually didn't think.
He's not a massive fan of America and he's eighty
seven so travels a bit. He doesn't like he's doing. Yeah,
he just wants to say fuck off. So yeah, yeah,

(01:23):
but no, he's coming in town. So we've got some
fun things planned and I'm very excited obviously to see him,
and I get to see him very much anymore, and
always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
To see my dad's So how often does he come
to visit?

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Not much, honestly. It's funny though, since having Kai, he's
definitely been more open to coming over to America, which
has been great. But we obviously go for like a
couple of weeks the summer. We try and go twice
in the enn. He'll probably come out once a year,
but it's probably gonna start getting less and less as
he gets older, so we're going to have to keep
probably making a few more trips over which I'm more

(01:55):
than happy with their miss Englynd, so I have no
issue doing that. But yeah, very excited. It's so excited
to see the old man, and I'm excited to just
hang out with him, to be honest, So I missed
my dad a lot, so what about you? Players Week?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, Players Week.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I am in Stanford, Connecticut at the NBC Studios. I'm
hosting live from primetime.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Segments for the evening show.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Because I'm such a host, so the show, the show
tosses to the studio once an hour for segments. That
kind of breaks up the on site show and gives
you a little studio peek in.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I'll do stories and random things like that from.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Connecticut, which is fun because I get my makeup done
for the week.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I got my outfits styled. You know, they do it right.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
It is a cool set up there to be fair.
When I went work there for the Olympics, it's like
the NBC there is kind of it's crazy how cool
it is, Like, it's massive, it's issued. It's amazed. I
got lost twice when I was a I.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Still get lost.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I still get lost.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
But it's the first of five weeks straight on the
road for me with no going home in between. My
last five weeks stretch, I was able to go home
on Mondays because everything was on the West Coast. But
this time I'm going from Connecticut to Tampa to Houston
to Augusta. So it's just going to be a lot.
I'm going to be using my toaster in my room

(03:22):
a lot. I'm going to be ordering lots of whole
foods groceries.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
So you just not going home because like you literally
be home for a few hours, like twelve hours, just because.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I would get home and have to get right back
on the plane because we start reports on Tuesdays when
we're on site for tournaments, so that means Monday's my
travel day. So I really I won't have any days
off either, which is you know, it's fine because once
I get through this stretch that I have a longer
like a month off, not really but bigger stretches.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
So yeah, yeah, you've.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Given you take.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh also, I wanted to tell you about I've been
wanting to do these little golf get together things and
it's hard.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
To do this on your social Yeah, so it's hard
to do because I'm like not home ever, but I
always get asked, hey, do you have any girls that
want to get together play golf?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
So I finally pushed myself out of my comfort zone
and just did it and put it on Instagram, and
seven girls showed up to Mariner's point in Foster City,
which is like a really cool Muni with a great range,
and it was I left feeling so exhilarated, and it
was so fun to have all these girls come together.
They were so happy and it was just such a

(04:31):
nice safe space. And I have all this golf gear
that's just been like sitting around in my house that
I needed a new.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Home, and so I gave it to all these girls
and they were pumped.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Look at you giving back people stuff like that, like
we need to hold ourselves more accountable, like getting women
into the game and things like that. That's exactly what
they need to do. So very proud of you kids.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well you were just you were just giving back. You
wouldn't You just did a speech to the EPSOM ladies. Yes,
how did that go?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
It was great. I actually really enjoy doing talks for
like the Next Generation, just because I feel it was
a panel with like two of the businesswomen who were
fantastic in their own fields, but I feel like I
can they can kind of relate to me more obviously
because I've been through what they've been through and like
going through like how to get sponsorship and you know,

(05:22):
how do you approach that without sounding desperate and basically
like branding yourself things like that, Like it's really it's
kind of questions that they don't people don't really think about.
But yeah, I loved it. I really enjoy those kind
of things, to be honest. They're not a chure at
all to me. And it's really nice to see some
of the younger generation and how they're doing. And yeah,
epsent tour is tough, man, I mean that is a tough, tough, tough,
tough tour. And a few of them willingly came up

(05:44):
to me and asked me some questions afterwards, which was great.
So yeah, anyone wants to reach out from the epsentur
any player please, I'm now an old retired hag, so
please Wow, if.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You too want to be an old retired.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Too, want to be an old retire right now.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
To mel read quiet please quietly, you might get a
podcast out of.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
It, exactly. But no, I said, like, you know, me
being retired and all that stuff, I've got a bit
more time on my hands, so I'm more unhappy to
help if they want my help. I'm right here for
you for everyone who needs some help.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, speaking of being able to get a podcast, we
have a guest today we do.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Evan Childs is joining us. This was a guest that
you know, Mel, You have a relationship with Evan through Instagram.
I don't know if you've met in person since since
we recorded.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
No.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I feel that's the modern world now, though, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're still besties. Evan was awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
She was a trainer, she started a clothing line, She
played college softball. She really understands like athletes and female
bodies and had an incredible insight into what it actually
takes to start a business for women like her when
it comes to clothing. So we'll get to the interview
in a second, but it kind of inspired us to

(06:58):
think about what our.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Personal journ have been like with women's golf clothing.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
And I think you especially have probably seen this evolve
over the seventeen years that you've been a professional golfer,
because I know you've seen some bleak shit out there.
It feels like it's getting in a really great place.
We both have cool partnerships that speak to us and
our personalities, but golf clothing is feels like it's on
the up and up.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
It is. I mean, I've always struggled with it, which
is why this conversation with Evan was really really cool,
to be honest, because for someone I mean, like it's
for everybody, but I think for someone like me that
has worked extremely hard in the gym for what I do,
my body is slightly different with certain like muscles and like,
I don't really have big hips like men. You know,

(07:44):
I'm just the way I was born, and so I've
always struggled to find clothing, especially golf clothing that I
felt comfortable in. I've always you know, gone to an
athletic brand. I mean, I'm very fortunate now that I've
got Puma. Unbelievable. They align with my kind of branding
as well, and yeah, just an unbelievable company to be
part of. To be honest with you, I'm very very grateful.
But it's something that I've always struggled with. And it's

(08:05):
really funny because we talk about this in this episode,
but women that are getting into golf will walk into
like the pro Shop and be like this clothing is horrific.
Like one, there's no selection, Two there's none in my size,
and three it's just horrific. It's just one kind of
massive matte flowers and florally, and I definitely think it's changing, yeah,

(08:25):
which I'm very happy about. And this is why I
think Evan's doing some really cool things in that space
as well.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
For me, I come at it from a different perspective
of wanting to be very fashionable.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And the function very fashionable.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
And that's my priority is that golf clothing that I
can wear on the golf course and feel very you know,
it speaks to my personality. But then I can also
be off the golf course in it. So I have
my partnership is with Whack, which is a Korean brand,
and the Korean golf clothes are fascinating because in Korea,
golf is more popular for women, and the female professional

(09:02):
golfers in Korea, as you know, are much more famous
in a much bigger deal than any of the male golfers.
So their evolution of the clothes for women in Korea
is so much further ahead than any of the golf
clothes in America, just because it's completely swapped. The women's
golf clothing in Korea is the priority. So I pick up,

(09:25):
you know, a chic sweater vests or trousers or corduroys,
just things that I love and that I want to
wear on a golf course and then be able to
just use in my normal life.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So that's been a court partnership for me.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
I will say, like, please, I'm about to compliment you,
so just don't faint or anything. But okay, like the
way that you are, you told yourself you like would
look good and literally a bin bag like you just
always look good. But for someone like me who holds
themselves quite different, like I'm quite stiff, the way that
all of myself like, I walk quite stiff. Do you

(10:00):
ever notice that? No, Okay, no, I don't. I walk
quite like. I don't really move my hips. I just
like I walk like a bit of a penguin. Okay,
Is that is that a natural? That's just just the
way I am. Yeah, I know, because I know, but
that's what I'm saying. So I don't look good in
like a lot of things, and so that's why it's
always been quite difficult for me to feel very comfortable

(10:23):
in golf clothes. And like you said, I agree with you.
I love walking off a golf course, going to like
dinner with people or a coffee or to the pub
and nobody knows I play golf. Yeah, yeah, definitely what
golf clothing direction it is going for sure, and I'm
very happy that it's kind of more a lifestyle look
now than it ever has been. So please golf companies

(10:44):
that are making clothes please keep doing that evolution.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And to all the golf shop pro guys that are
buying golf clothes on behalf of women for their shops.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's usually guys named like Steve Jeffrey Daniel. We so
appreciate you, but we do, but we don't.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But maybe just consult with a female golfer in your
universe before making choices on their behalf. That is all
I'll ask. All right, let's get to the interview. Evan
childs on Quiet Please. Evan Child is a fitness instructor,
a gym owner, former D one athlete, a founder of

(11:28):
a clothing line, Alpha Forward, a tattoo enthusiast, a wife
and a mama.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
But today she is a guest on Quiet Please. Evan,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I'm happy to be here. Thank you for the introduction.
That was so nice.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Did I get it right? Did I miss anything?

Speaker 6 (11:43):
I mean, you miss golfer. But that's fine.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Sorry, it's a lifestyle. It needs to be on the bio.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
That had been pleasant to have you on. You were
kind of on my raid off for sure as one
of our first guests, and basically just wanted to get
chatted because I know that you just started taking up golf,
might as well get right into it.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
I love it, and I knew I was gonna become
obsessed with it, so that's why I put it off
for so long. But it's officially in my not daily life,
but weekly life for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's officially a part of who you are. It needs
to be on the bio.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
It needs to be in the bio. I agree. And
my friends have been trying to get me to play
for years, like all my guy friends, and every single
time I knew as soon as I went out, like
that's how I am. If there's a ball sport where
I'm striking something, I know I'm gonna become obsessed. So
I kept saying, no, I need to work, I need
to work. This will consume my life, I know it.
And then they got me with, well, let's just go

(12:34):
to the range. For years, I said, no, let's just
go to the range after work today and I was like,
all right, and then from then I was playing every
week essentially.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
But you're probably really good because you're a former. Do
you want athlete like tell us about how your your
skills as an athlete have translated into golf.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
So I was the a softball player. I played at
the University of South Carolina, and there are some parallels,
but there are such big differences that almost hinder my
game because of it. Like I understand like the physics
and everything of it, but as far as like rotations
a little bit different. I wasn't allowed to play golf
growing up because I was playing softball, and I kind

(13:10):
of knew I was going to play for a scholarship.
And if you swing a baseball bat or softball bat
and then a golf club like you, you would get
messed up. So there there are some parallels, like I said,
but there are some key differences as far as like athleticism. Yeah,
you learn how to strike the ball more efficiently and
use your body for leverage and stuff. They're similar but

(13:32):
so different. I know that sounds weird, but I think
softball players would understand that.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
But I feel like like I've played with a few
baseball players and prims and stuff, and they hit it
like absolute miles. I feel like you, yeah, I bet
you just outseats.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
That was my problem in the beginning. It was just like,
of course, I have to hit this ball as hard
as I can. That's the whole point of the game.
And I've slowly moved away from that for sure. But no,
I'd say longest drive, like on a solid drive, maybe
two sixty. I'm not smashing it.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's great, that is splashing it.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
That's like, that's a lot. That's I think.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I actually twenty on the olpjaud.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
No, okay, I've been playing my entire life. IMAX out
twenty is like damn, that was good.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Okay, that's altitude. You got an advantage twenty everything.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's a rare thing, so two sixty is wild.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
So I watched like long drive competitions. My friends have
told me. I'm like, these girls are getting it so far,
and they're like they're completely different clubs. I'm like, oh,
I'm going to try that then, But no, yeah, on
an average drive probably like two thirty two thirty five.
But if I'm getting a hold of it and it's
like a long par five, like I can get a
hold of them pretty well.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Like I just said, I could tell that with you anyway,
but busting that you got into GOP. When I saw
it on your Instagram, I was like, oh my god,
that's absolutely sick, which Kira actually said to me the
other day. So how did you actually meet Evan? Like
so I've never actually met Evan. I just like DMed
it like rundom.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Just Instagram friends who have somewhere Instagram.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Any generation friendships. But yeah, no, it's oh god, it's
so funny. No, I'm absolutely buzzy. You've got in to go,
Like I mean, it just takes hold of you, doesn't
I mean it took hold of me since I was
like ten years old.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
So yeah, and it's just you against you too every round.
I'm like, I gotta get a little bit better, and
I definitely have. I started in what July, So it's
been like a year and it hasn't been long, like
a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Are trying and you've already made a clothing line?

Speaker 6 (15:28):
Yeah, well this is successfully in.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, we need to talk about that.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Alex has gotten into it a little bit, got her
set of clubs and we'll go out. Obviously it's harder
with a baby. You know, you got to find a sitter.
We've strapped her to the cart a couple of times
and she enjoys it. But that your little boy isn't
as old as my little girl. But around the two mark,
they just become just crazy, just absolutely wild. I can't

(15:58):
imagine putting her in a and just with snacks. Now
she needs to run. She tries to go when she
can with me, but I definitely have the bug more
than she does too.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Have you got a swing in a club yet.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Alex Or Walker?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
No Walker.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yes, she has a little plastic scept My brother actually
got her one for Christmas. And I think I saw
on your story yesterday your son was like swinging. Oh
my god. I loves it. She just walks around the
house just hitting the ball any way she can.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, I like, listen, I'm not trying to push him
into anything, but obviously i'd love him to be like
into sports, sports my life. And then as soon as
he picks up a golf club, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
I'm not trying to push him in, but it's my life.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
He's super good. If he wasn't, and now he's just
hitting literally everything with a golf club. I'm like, dude,
please anything but golf. I just cannot, like now not
playing golf like full time. I'm like, I don't want
to spend my weekends like eight hours on a golf
course like my entire life. I'm like, absolutely not.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
Yeah, I'm totally.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Into it.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm sure there was lots of times people showed up
and they were like, man, I gotta watch this girl
play all day, and now this is going to be you.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, I know. It was my parents about twenty five
years ago, like please, we just have all weekends back.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
I mean, but how fun Like when he's older he
gets to play with his mom. I was like, a
pre that's so sick.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh no, I'll be hitting about as far as care.
But when I'm about that or about two twenty.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Okay, you know what proud do you go?

Speaker 6 (17:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I know that you met Evan on Instagram, but like,
why were you compelled to reach out to her?

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Okay, so you guys were going through IVF and it
was literally round about the time and you guys kind
of put it on your Instagram. It was literally the
same process that me and Carl were going through. Recipular IVF,
and so I hostess I obviously had a couple glasses
of wine or something, and I was like, yeah, fuck it,
I'm just going to have text her because I don't
really know anyone that's actually gone through reciprocal IBF. And

(17:45):
so I just sent you this message like, hey, do
the shots hurt? Like is it scary? Am I gonna
like freak out? Is it painful? And yeah, you really
reassured me, mate, to be honest with you. So I'm
glad I sent that drunken DM to you.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
But you would never that's not something you've got.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I mean, I badly drink care but yeah, I just
want to go into that. I think that it's important
to talk about and your journey through want in a
family and stuff. You know, obviously with us, we just well, actually,
to be honest with us, I just never wanted to carry,
and so kind of an easy decision because Carl is
just very maternal and very like motherly and she just
really wanted to be pregnant. But I just wanted to know,
like your kind of journey through I guess to obviously

(18:21):
have your little girl Walker.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yeah, sure, So I actually wanted to carry probably if
you had asked me five years ago, I would have
been like, I want to be the first, just because
I like, I liked that it was like a rite
of passage for women, So I was like, I want
to experience that. I think that'd be cool. And then
I realized, like, I'm a hypochondriac. I think I had
brain cancer if I got a headache. There's no way
I could carry a baby and think I was okay

(18:44):
to the whole thing. But it all worked out because
Alex was like, I'd be so happy to carry and
I think the way that we both could be involved
is recipro IVF and reproductive science is absolutely mental, Like
it's crazy how it works. Like when we were first
learning about it, I was like, really, like, you can
carry my egg and you get to be a part
of the process. I get to be a part of
the process. It was like a win win for us,

(19:06):
and we knew all of our options. Yeah, like IUI,
but I wouldn't feel as involved, which wasn't that big
of a deal. But if I can be involved, that's
even better. We had adoption, which we've always thought about
but we've never felt called to do it. I feel
like if we've had that feeling, we'll absolutely go through
with it in the future. We laid a nor reciprocal
IVF and we were one of the very lucky families

(19:27):
that first round everything worked out completely normal, perfect, And yeah,
so I had the retrieval. If people don't know what
reciprocal IVF is, they retrieved my eggs and then they
fertilize those eggs, turn into embryos, and then they put
that into Alex one of those eggs. So yeah, genetically
she's mine, but she's ours as parents.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, exactly same. It took us one time as well.
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
That's awesome, guys, such a blessing.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yet the legs, Yeah, oh yeah, let's go any dmfesties
but eggs, Yeah, but it's crazy, like we kin'd have
had exact same thoughts, to be honest, And then when
you go into that world, you realize how many other
couples are kind of going through IVF and it's kind
of not even really spoke about, and it's honestly, it

(20:14):
was so humbling, and then you kind of.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Realize, like how many other couples around you are then
more open to talking about it, and it's just I
don't know. I just think everyone's journey is different and
it's just it can be really difficult, and I just
think it's a really cool It was just a very
cool experience for us to understand the other sides of
it and try and understand it better and try and
help friends and things like that. So, yeah, it's been.

(20:35):
It was. It's an incredible experience.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And how's the process been now for baby number two?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
You're welcoming soon, congrass.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Oh it was great. So we did a transfer. So
when you do subcribef you have all these embryos that
are like frozen. I think I gave like forty eight eggs.
It was like a what eggs? And then at the
end of all of it, we had ten perfectly held
the embryos, like top grade. Walker was one of those
great embrys. Yeah, top tier baby Division one athlete. And

(21:03):
then we did a trans. Hey I'm not like mel
I want my kids to play golf. But we didn't
transfer earlier and that one failed, which it was such
a weird experience after you've had like a positive So
we went from one out of one perfect, Like, whoa,
this is super easy to you know, fast forward a
year and a half and then we try again and

(21:25):
it doesn't work. We were like, whoa, this stuff actually
doesn't work. So we're humbled again, and like mel was saying,
like IVF in general is just humbling in so many
different ways, that was one of them. But we kept
spirits high and wanted to try again. So we tried
again in a few months and that one was positive.
So my wife's like eighteen weeks I think with our second.
And another crazy thing about reciprocal IVF is that if

(21:47):
you get them genetically tested, you get to learn the
gender of them. And the reason you genetically test them
is to make sure that there's no abnormalities. Yeah, because
if there's any abnormalities in any of the embryos, you
have a higher chance of miscarriage. So through that process
we were one of the best ones make sure we
had the most sure bets as we could. So, yeah,
we knew the gender of the second one. We didn't

(22:08):
pick Walker's gender, but we said we got a girl,
why not try for a boy this time. I think
we have three or four boy embryos. When I tell
people that who do have no idea about like IVF
and genetic testing, They're like, we see you got to
pick and I was like, yeah, we picked the second one.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
And they're like two weeks old on though, the mbros
when you stick them in. Yeah, yeah, that was weird,
too technical term sick.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yeah, no, it's true. So when you did that positive,
like when Alice got the positive, we're technically like further
along than like someone who would have just inseminated.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well, did you guys pick the gender?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
We didn't, Makai. We just picked the strongest one. We're
talked about having baby number two, so we just wanted
to just see what we had. Yeah, we had eight
healthy embryos, and obviously they put the strongest one in,
which was Kai, which we didn't know until obviously he
came to the world. But so we've got five boys
and two more ghosts and.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
They're all like on Ice.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yeah, they're just chilling.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Scientist two weeks so, bumping around with each other, just chilling,
literally chilling, really chill.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Evan.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
We're super pumped for you, and I was been scrolling
through your Instagram in preparation for this, and obviously ever
since Mell told me about you, you're so amazing about
sharing your journey, your family, your wife, and just generally
really cool on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
But Instagram is not reality.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
So can you give us like a little bit of
insight into kind of how you went from college and
into your fitness journey and kind of finding a bit
of where you find yourself today.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
Yeah, I mean through college, Like I've said, I played
Division one softball. I knew I wanted to stay active
after that. My major was actually to be a sport
and entertainment management marketing, so I should be working in
like venues managing venues, sports events and stuff. In my head,
I was like, I'll be an athletic director. I would
love that. Then you graduate and obviously things change. I
was like, you know, let me try personal training and

(24:04):
moved to Florida, worked in a gym opening five am,
closing the normal gym life, and through that I started
like online training. And this was like before, like online
training was like popular, like online coaching was like a thing.
I just kind of realized like the reach of the
Internet of social media before, like social media was like massive,
like when five thousand followers just like a lot. So

(24:25):
I just used that as leverage and then that kind
of snowballed into an aw female program that I started
for women that were like me, that we weren't doing
like glut kickbacks, like we were actually getting underneath the
bench press and actually like trying to lift heavier weights
and that program. Nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Nothing wrong is that weighted ankle so on right now?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Actually they are in the corner. They're not on right now,
but I really can see them from where.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
You brought them all, then you do you little kickback anyway, Sorry,
make a difference at right.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, yeah, you're totally right. So anyways, I did this
program where even glue kickback girls were welcome. For the majority,
it was all like ex athletes and girls that wanted
a little bit more muscle, and that program like crushed it.
I think I did twenty two classes over the course
of like four or five years, and the last class

(25:31):
I ran, I think I had like seven hundred applicants.
It was like something nutty.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Crazy, but that process gave me the capital to start
my clothing brand, start a gym that I own in Tampa.
And then yeah, so that's pretty much gives you a
background of like where I'm at now, all that personal
training online training into what I'm doing now, which is
having my own clothing brand. I own a gym and
own a subscription based like daily workout thing online as well.

(25:59):
I think answer your question.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, I just my internets went in
and out, so I just missed the last bit of it.
But I can imagine we were stopped talking about kickbacks,
so I was.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
Just talking about how important the kickbacks are.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
They are very important.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
This is pretty decent glute kickback card of girl.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I've been going to pilates like really consistently. That was
my goal in twenty twenty four. I've been going to
polarates at least once a week and not saying this
like it doesn't look bad.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
No prizes. I'm with parties. By the way, I did
it the first time, like not long ago, and I was, honestly,
I've never shook so much in my life. You look great,
care you do? You look fantastic.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I was just gonna say, so your brand, Alpha Forward,
your clothing brand.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
YEP.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I've actually bought some stuff off there. It's very nice.
So why did you create this brand? I looked at
a couple of quotes that you said. You said, do
you want to create a clothing brand for women like you? Yeah,
so just kind of I think I know what you
mean by that, but just for the audience, I would
like you to kind of dive into that a little bit.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yeah. Sure. So Alpha Fors are in twenty seventeen, and
we rebranded last year to we call it novel now.
Alpha ward made sense for me back then because I
was running the Alpha Female program. It was like a
playoff words. But eventually I kind of became disconnected from
the word Alpha got really diluted and weird in the
male space. So I moved it over to novel, which

(27:18):
means unique, different, never been seen before. And that's kind
of like the premise of why I created the brand.
Throughout I guess probably college all the way up until now.
I feel bad now I'm like watching my words about
Gluk kickbacks and gurly things because Garsonia. But okay, all right,

(27:39):
so if I go to buy a parrot joggers, right,
I'm looking in the women's section and they're just not
my style. There's like maybe some some ruffling on the sides,
or like a line on the butt that I like,
is supposed to accentuate my butt cheeks and stuff, just
real feminine stuff. And then on the guy's side, you're
looking at like crotches or twelve inches long because they

(28:01):
got things down there that we don't in there longer,
and you know, they just don't fit me right. So
I didn't really fit in the girl's side, and I
didn't fit in the guy's side. So I needed something
to like blend the two, and it didn't exist. And
a great example of this, and how I knew that
it was like the demand was there is I got
picked up by a clothing sponsor called ap Athletics, and

(28:24):
I loved their clothes. It was all male, and then
they came out with these joggers that I really liked.
They sold a ton of these things and I would
wear them, but I'd have to roll them over. So
I was like essentially making these guys joggers fit me.
And I was selling the shit out of these things
with a discount code to my followers, which is like
ninety percent girls, So I knew they were having the

(28:45):
same problems. Oh hey, I found a jogger that kind
of fits us. She just got to roll it over.
I'm noticing these girls are buying the same joggers I am.
I know they're looking for it. So I was like,
I'll just make my moan. So I started out for
like the flagship product was our first female jogger that
didn't look like a girl's product and wasn't a guy's product,
and it just absolutely crushed. And from there I had

(29:07):
all this confidence to be like, oh, there there's a
lot of girls out there like me that are more
in the middle of clothing. You can't really shop in
the guys, you can't really shop in the girls. We exist,
and nobody's really making clothes for us.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
I was gonna say, it's so funny. I've always struggled
with like feeling comfortable and stuff like that, like I
feel exactly how you're exactly what you just described, Evan.
And I've been fortunate in my career like being sponsored
by Nike or Addi Das or Puma, so I've kind
of got away with it. But once I haven't been
sponsored by, you know, an athletic brand like that, I've
always really really struggled to find stuff, which I think

(29:41):
is where like I originally found your stuff. To be honest, is.
I was like, Oh, these are really cool joggers and
they're so confident. Yeah. I mean, I know you're not
doing like clothingline for golf. Okay, I know that. I
know it's not specifically for golf, but it's you can
wear it at the golf course for sure. The new
stuff that you're doing is that the photos.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Are on a golf cart.

Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah. Is not closing the golf clop.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, but being a professional golf it's because of the tax.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Legit in these pictures. We'll make sure to share them
like you're a golfer in her bio, I.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Try to golf. But speaking to what Mel's saying, yes
they are. I like to call them like professional were
And really it's just two types of polos and then
a pair of shorts and pants that are more like
formal but also athletics. You could wear them till a
wedding or you can wear them to the golf course.
And I feel like guys have this, Yeah, it doesn't

(30:31):
exist for women, and the ones that do exist are
like really weird fitting. So I was like, all right,
I'm just gonna make a pant and a short that
you can wear to the golf course. I'd say the
demographic of the golfers are probably like ten percent, maybe
maybe less, maybe five percent. I don't know. So I've
made them because I've been golfing, because I work for myself.

(30:52):
I work with my brother and my wife. I never
have to dress up for work. I'll go to a
wedding once a year maybe, But I would use them
to golf. But I knew that there were so many
teachers and coaches and saleswomen and detectives and all these
people that like needed this kind of product. I remember
when I first went to go to a golf course,

(31:14):
like a legit golf course. I was like, oh, I
need I need like a polo, and thinking, oh, I'll
just go to Dick's Golf Galaxy and find one easy.
They got to have one, and it was just a nightmare.
I was like, these are terrible. These are terrible. Yeah,
it couldn't find one thing. And I was like, Okay,
so there's a problem for golfers for sure. And if
it's a problem for golfers, I guarantee you it's a

(31:35):
problem for all the other professional wear or whatever. So
I would go into these like major brands go into
you grab a polo and still the same problem. They're
all like really small, like I'm a medium and everything
you try on a medium polo in any of these places,
it's like this so tiny on me. I didn't understand it.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah, never long enough either. I feel like I no
long body and like it's never long enough and it
makes me sure, it makes me real. Didn't come to
the it's never long enough.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
So they like PLoP out.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, they're supposed to be texting a school or something,
which is not mine. Yeah, it's not my style.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
No, I'm not going to make sports. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Ok.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
God, there's enough sports out there.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So I actually hate a scot tvh. It's not for me.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
And you could rock a school as well, but I
honestly I could.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
It depends on the score. It depends on the score.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Whenever I change clothing brands and they're like, oh, we're
gonna say some scorts, I'm like, please don't. I'm like,
do I look like a schort kind of girl? It
was like absolutely not so of never want to score
in my life. You know, I was thinking about you
mentioned something, Evan.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know when you see guys at the golf course
maybe it's a club or something like that where afterwards
they're gonna have lunch or they're gonna have dinner, and
they can just go up to the locker room, change
their shoes, and come back down in the exact same
outfit and still look put together, look nice, blah blah blah. Generally,
in my experience, if I have just played golf and
then I'm going to stay to eat or something like that,

(32:53):
and I need to change to look presentable, like I
got to change, like this isn't either it's no longer
a golf club appropriate inside or like where it is,
or I just don't feel comfortable in the outfit that
I've been playing eighteen holes in to then like change
my shoes and go because those things, those two things
just don't go together. And I probably fall into the
demographic of women that it's probably it's fairly easy for

(33:15):
me to find something, but more often than not, if
I walk into one of those stores, like the skirt
doesn't have pockets, or it's like the sizing is completely off.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
What is it with women's clothing? And no, like we
have so much we have the moss.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
So do you know why?

Speaker 6 (33:31):
I actually I know why in the like why it
has been handed down this way? Like my tech designer
taught me this. She's just like, the reason women don't
have pockets is because we have purses. And I was like,
I don't carry a purse.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I don't mean pocket golf course.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, but historically women carry purses, they don't keep things
in their pockets. So that's it's almost like fashion has
just followed that trend of oh, they're going to have
a bag, so why would we put pockets?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
How do you actually like have pants made? Like how
does that work?

Speaker 6 (34:09):
It's all cut and so with a factory. So you
have to vet these factories overseas and see who has
the best fabrics, the best cut and sew products, Like.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Do they have an email address? Like how do you
reach out to a factory?

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Like that?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Part of this process to me is so incredible that
you're just like I'm just going to start a clothing line.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Like yeah, like how do you get Yeah, I'm with
you there. That's insane to me, which is why she's
doing it and went on, that's why we're podcasters.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
You can actually google and find factories, but they're harder
to vet. It's easier to hire a sourcing group that
kind of does it for you. So I've had a
couple sourcing groups I've worked with that do the vetting
for me, Like they literally fly over there and make
sure it's legitimate factory, there's no weird stuff going on,
it's not sweatshops. Send me photos videos of it being

(34:58):
like a massive warehouse with these engineers essentially, So China
specifically is like so good at textile and fabric making
that there's engineers over there. It is their job, it's
their salary paid, that they make really good money. So
you have to find those factories that are like take
a lot of pride in it, and it's not super
fast fashion of they're just pumping out all lists whatever.

(35:19):
So yeah, you usually have to find the right forcing
group who connect you with the right factory, and then
you collab together you create like a tech pack. So
a lot of times, what I'll do if I like
the way like a men's silhouette pant looks so Lulu
ABC jogger is really popular. I really like that silhouette,
so I will take that and then me and my
tech designer will literally go in and fit it to me.

(35:41):
Change the fabric to change the waistband stuff. But you
usually have like a base product of like, hey, I
like the way this looks for guys, let's change it
and make it for women. So usually then you create
a tech pack off of that, which is like down
to every thread count, dart, every little thing is in
this thirty forty page packet of almost like a blueprint

(36:02):
for the factory to do, and then you do sampling
for however long it takes. Sometimes they nail it on
the first or two second. They never nail it on
the first second or third. Sometimes I'll get it closer.
And then you go into the process of production, size sets,
making sure the fabrics are correct, lab dipping, all the above,
and then you get a final product. I know it

(36:24):
sounds really easy when I'm explaining it, but it's usually
like eighteen months.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, no, I'm you lost me a certain I'm like,
I you go, girl.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
I've throwly started posting about these pants like probably a
year ago, because it takes so long to like perfect
and then trust it long enough to go into bulk
to create a few thousand of them.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, to like put your money in it.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah, And how do you know how much inventory to
like to bring in, Like how I love this topic.
I'm really intrigued because I would love to start claything,
but I would be absolutely shitty becuse I would have
no idea I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
But no, you would hire a sourcing group and you'd
be fine.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I know now I thought one.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
But let me know if you need any help. But yeah, no,
it's super difficult. But I've been doing it since twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen. Now I understand the industry, like I get
the process. But yeah, to answer your question about how
much do I order, like how do I know? I
have no idea? Like every time it is a gamble.
I mean, I'm going off of past data, which can

(37:22):
be helpful but can be hurtful. You kind of get
a sense of how many you can get without going overboard,
and then enough where people are gonna pissed off if
it sells out in five minutes, which has always been
an issue for novel Like there's been times, you know,
I'll order a few thousand, thinking oh, this is gonna
last at least a few months, and then it's gone
in the first five minutes. I'm like, I didn't know
it was gonna be the popular.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
That's so cool though.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
It cool.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yeah, it's a rush, But on the flip side, it's
like if you order too much and they don't sell
out and then they sit, It's like you walk in
your warehouse and you're like, oh, there's fifty thousand dollars
of inventory that has just been sitting for five months.
You know, it's always a gamble. I'm definitely more risk
averse now that I have a child and about to
have children. I want select products and I'm not ordering

(38:07):
as many. Still ordering a lot, but I'm not ordering
as many. I don't want to sit on inventory. It's
not worth it. But yeah, aswer the question in short,
like I have no night, no.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
No, I think you're doing a really cool thing, mate,
Like I've always been a big fan of it, and
like you said, it's me as a five seven athletic build,
I've always struggled to find clothes that I feel compliment
my figure because I think you said this before, like
I don't have white hips, I don't have tits, and
so for me to find clothes that I feel comfortable
in is really difficult. And I feel like you've really
created a cool space there and so I've always been

(38:41):
a huge fan and Carly is a huge fan as well.

Speaker 6 (38:43):
Car So I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I would love some.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
You need to get some. I'm gonna get you.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
To try it.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Is there?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Is it available or are they all sold out in
five minutes?

Speaker 4 (38:53):
It all sold out in five minutes. Unfortunately. I can
see this in five six years blowing up. And you
like sponsoring an LPGA.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Player, Oh, that would be sick or an event.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
It's better an event. An event, I mean, Caroll host
it for you.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
I think that the LPGA specifically is missing women's branded
golf line, Like I don't know why I haven't done it.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
I mean, I don't know if we've tried, like really
full to the max, but there's certainly like apparel. There's
a parrel on the LPGA website, but it's exactly what
we do.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
I feel like you could do really, really well.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I definitely feel there's a gap in the market for
unfortunate I'm with Puma, so it's an athletic brand, right
like I'm with Puma right now, so that's I'm cool.
But like a couple of years ago, I wasn't really
with anyone. I struggled so bad.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
You're an athlete. You're not some frumpy sixty year old
that's going out with her husband and playing golf and
that's where all the pro shops are full of doing kickbacks.
I think you should do it.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Never changed, Evan.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I feel like you're such a great voice on like
as we're talking about the LPGA and women's sports as
a whole.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You know, women's sports is in this really moment.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
You had this thing where you talked about people being
pissed off about Kaitlyn Clark's salary on Instagram like this,
I like to and really I would love for you
to take us to the Evan childs of understanding the
economics of women's sports and how people get paid and
why they're not getting paid and how they can get paid.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Can you like break that down for the people.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
The easiest way to put this is that women don't
get paid as much as men because of women. And
what I mean by that is put it on a
T shirt. You never have a problem of men tuning
into men's sports, and so many people are like more
people men should tune into women's sports. I'm like, they're
not going to there. It's just the same reason that

(40:47):
majority of women don't tune into playoff series in the NFL.
It's just not your thing. So in order to get
paid more, you need more women watching women's sports, because unfortunately,
women's sports are when it comes to like basketball specifically,
men's sports are more fun to watch. There's dunking, there's pushing, shoving,

(41:08):
there's just it's a little bit more entertaining. Right at
least in the past ten years. I do think that's
getting better. But if you want those women, specifically basketball
women to get paid more, then go to a women's
basketball game. All these people who are bitching complaining have
couldn't name three teams. You know, you can name Indiana
fever because of Kayden Clark, but what you can't name

(41:30):
two other players other than her, And that's because you're
not supporting that league. So how do you expect them
to make more money? Like men should tune in? I'm like,
you tune in first, and then maybe the mental follow
but a promise, Like it's very simple to me when
it comes to the money side, it's like they're not
making as much money. How do you not understand this?
It's not a participation award. You don't gets the same

(41:51):
amount of money. You have to make more money. And
the way you do that is go to the games
by the merch.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Yeah, you're not wrong, Collie play do you want it?
Drake basketball? And so she's really tried for many years
to get me into women's basketball. And finally I will
say Kan and Clark did get me into it. But
other than that, I refuse. But that's proven your point, right.
But we did go to a Liberty versus Indiana fever
game this year in New York when we had a
tournament there, and I'll tell you what, it was fucking unbelievable.

(42:17):
I will say, like they've done a really good job
in the WNBA now, Like, honestly, it was a really
cool experience, Like it's definitely worth like going to one
and experience it. It's honestly, it's entertainment and it's an
actual like a showcase of the WNBA. I will say,
I was really impressed with it. So, yeah, she's been
begging me to be a fan for a while.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I love what it seems like general pop culture and
media is leaning in like Cameron Brink and angel rees
like Injelies was on the cover of Vogue or something recently,
Like I feel like that side of things, like these
players are more in my natural ecosystem where I'm scrolling
through Instagram and I'm just seeing, like I know who
they are because they're more showing up and in that way.

(42:58):
And like maybe I don't know if it's like a
chicken and the egg thing, but then I'm more interested
in their results and what they're doing and what the
rivalries are like and la la la. That's like at
least evolved, I feel like over the last two two
or three years. And like my hope for golf is that,
like we have this Nelly moment in you know, mel
obviously you can speak a lot more to it, but
it just seems like women's golf is just still on

(43:20):
the outside of any sort of that momentum of that.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like if media can
do a better job, it's just creating storylines and personalities
because that's what people get tuned into, right, especially women,
Like we we love a storyline, we love some drama,
we love a villain and a hero. I think that's
what Kaylyn Clark and Angel res Are. I think they
can do better jobs of doing those storylines. I think
Nellie's obviously like the hero the Golden Child of LPGA,

(43:48):
but I love a villain. I love something to like
give some more personality to the game, same way NBA's
don WNBA, but more of that and create storylines, and
I think I think you get more eyes on the game.
But Nelly, I think has done a really good job.
You were just saying about WNBA. They naturally like coming
up in your ecosystem, on your for new pages and stuff.

(44:09):
Nellie has done that for me. She would just randomly
pop up. But really there's not many other female golfers,
and I think it's just because she fits the mold
of Golden Child. She got the look, she got personality.
But I'd love to see like a lot more like diverse,
like and not just talking skin tone. I'm talking all
of it, Like I want the shit talkers, I want

(44:29):
the Golden Child's. I want to see more personality. I
think like a reality show of these would be super sick.
It would put LPGA on like I would love it.
I know there's drama, I know there's drama.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Mel Is there drama.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Do you know what used to be worse. Everyone's a
lot more serious nowadays and it's a lot more business.
But back in the day, mate, like a decade ago,
holy shit, Like really it was, Oh my god, it
was amazing. It was amazing.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
See I would love that. I would love it.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yeah, we'll have a bay one night and I'll tell
you some really funny stories. But yeah, no, they were
the good old days. I mean even back then, like
there was like like you were saying, like the villains
and the good and the bad guys, whereas now I
feel like everyone's kind of keeps themselves to themselves, like
everyone's very I don't want to use the word professional
because I feel like you can.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's very borrying.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
I love the LPGA girls, of course I do, but
they're very kind of PG and I would love to
say a bit more spice ess, a bit more like
sauciness to them and like reactions and actual honest opinions,
which is why I love what Neddie's doing. And I
think she's really coming out of her comfort zone doing
like Sports Illustrated and going to the Galla and things
like that. I think that's amazing for a brand. But
do you know Charlie Holt.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
Oh, yeah, she's a great She's a great personality.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Unreals ripping darts.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
She plays the role perfectly, dude.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
But she doesn't have to be a villain.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
She just has to be a personality in someone that
can be a bit she's been opposing.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
To, Like, she's like the beautiful John Daily of Yeah, yeah,
this is the fuck up thing. She's so into the
fitness at the minute. I was in the gym with
her at LA last year. I shit you. I was
on the treadmill with her. She got off after like
a minute, went outside, lit a cigarette and smoking and
got back on the treadmill and started running again.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Because she thought it was like healthier to do that
than the vapor.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I said, Charles, I heard you stop vaping and she went, yeah,
yeah I did. Yeah, I did like last week. And
I went right, I said, good for you, mate. She said, well, yeah,
I'm smoking cigarettes now, and I said, why are you
smoking a cigarette? She's like, yeah, it's better for you
in it. And I'm like, I fucking know if it
is actually for whateverever, You're like this one. So the

(46:36):
drive range this is in l A a couple of
years ago. Carli's pregnant at the time, She's like four
months pregnant, and I'm talking to her and Charlie comes
over and she goes with a vape at the time,
and she goes, is your is Krlie pregnant? And I
was like, fuck, I know where this is going. Oh yeah, why?
She went, all right, was it your sperm? She went, well,

(47:00):
you know what I mean, like, was it your sperm?
And I went, no, we did reciprocal. As soon as
I said reciprocal, I lost her.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
So I said egg.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
She thought I meant scrambled egg or something. So I
was like, whatever, I've just I did it as simple
as I could. And then she goes, you know what
I mean, was it You'll come? And then it's so
high this year last year, I was a vice captain. Anyway,
We're leaving on the Monday morning and Kai's running around
like a crazy baby.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
App Anyway, she.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Pulls a chair out and she just knocked Kai straight
off his back.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
She went, oh fucking hell, mate, he sperm went flying.
Oh my gosh, I could tell you all them the
absolute hilarious. She's one of my favorite people.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Okay, we only have a couple of minutes left, Evan
and just to switch gears from Charlie holl being confused
on how I worked and speaking of all of that
kind of on that journey. I'm sure there's some women
that are listening that would love your advice and also
to maybe hear a bit about your coming out journey.
Can you give us a bit of insight into that

(48:16):
process for you, that part of your life and some
of the advice that you would give to anyone that's
listening that might really benefit from a conversation like that.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
My coming out journey is interesting because I'd never really
did it like people were like, yeah, you just need
to announce it to the world. I was never that person.
I was just kind of like finding my way through
and then when I realized, like, oh, I think girls
are the path I'm going to be taking here, I
don't see the alternate. It was just kind of like
I started dating girls and I didn't make it like

(48:46):
a thing. I didn't say like hello worlds with a
rainbow flag and say I'm now gay. It was like
this is kind of who I've been and nowadating girls
and here it is, so I guess if my advice
would be just be yourself and if I don't think
everybody needs this giant coming out party, I think it's
just continue being yourself, be a good person, and it

(49:07):
won't matter who you love. And that was the journey
for me. I never really had many people that kind
of just cut me out because they knew who I
was and they knew the decisions I made were good decisions.
So it all just worked out for me. I feel
bad because I don't have this like really cool coming
out story that people have, and I.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Mean, that's your that's your truth in your life, Like that's.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
A super It was super beige, like it just says
very bage.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
It was just like hey, like there was never like
a formal like accepted or not. It was just kind
of like, oh, like that's what you're.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Doing now, and I was, yep, so you found you
it tightly cool with it.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
Well, so my mom wasn't cool with it at first.
So my dad passed in twenty fourteen, and I would
say it wasn't like fully like openly dating girls until
after that. He didn't make it to the time of
where I could like present it to him and it
be okay. He was a pastor, so I can't probably
guess what he would have thought. Him and my mom

(50:06):
are both they're both like people who like trusted me
and my decisions. So it wasn't like off the cusp
of like I'm just gonna do this. It was everything
I do is pretty well thought out of, just like
an educated guess of I think this is what's best
for me. So they always trusted my decisions. But I'm
just so middle of the road and and beige of

(50:27):
I just happened to like girls. There's no big reveal,
it's just who I am.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
How long you've been with Alex, I have been with her.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
We have a checkered past.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I uh tell him everything.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
When I was trying to figure out what I wanted,
I was doing a lot of figuring out if that
makes sense and testing and making sure.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
And she was that time something that this was sometimes
that you're getting on pregnant with the sperm, You're good.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
No, my sperm didn't get anyone pregnant, but I was
definitely that test. All the waters grass is greener until
I realized, like Alex is the grass, Like I've been
an idiot this entire time, and I've known her since
in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Oh wow. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
We dated off and on until probably twenty nineteen, when
I was like, you're it. I've been an idiot and
if you'll accept me, then you're the one. And then
after that conversation, I proposed in twenty twenty and we
were married six months later. So it was twenty twenty one,
a COVID wedding. We didn't have a full wedding. We
kind of eloped and we had this like really nice

(51:39):
like photoshoot and.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
You guys like compliment each other ready, Well on those pictures,
you guys are like swag.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Yeah, but we always knew, like each of us never
had that idea of being in like this dress and
coming down the aisle and doing all that and having
everybody out to totally respect people that do. But we
were like, it doesn't really doesn't fit us. And we
knew we were gonna have a b be soon too,
so we're like, whatever money we'd spend on that, let's
just put it towards a baby. So that's what we did.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, makes sense, And that seems like it's very muchrue personality,
like you just show up and this is who you
are and this is my person.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Let's live life.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Yeah, oh, one hundred percent. Once I know, I'm just like,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Let's I love it. Mel, you got anything else?

Speaker 4 (52:18):
No, I think that's it. I think you covered everything. Mate.
Thank you so much that it was a really cool conversation.
I know you were going to be cool, but yeah,
it was really cool get to know even more so
I appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
I appreciate you guys having me on.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Yeah cool.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Thanks Evan, We so appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Thank you, Sarving s No, it's so fun. Thank you
guys for having me.

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