Rap Radar: Geechi Gotti

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, it's the Rap Rate All Podcast. My name is
beat Out.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Elliott Wilson.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah, Elie. We had a good day at the office
last week with hit Boy and his dad, Big hit Man.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
The call him the Holland crew Man. Chauncey allis junior man.
You might have to trademark that the Dollars crew Man
and the Dollars crew Man for the West Word up
on the West West Man. Now, I love I've been
interviewed hit Boy so many times. Man, it was good
to finally interview him with you and have him get
the honor of being a guest on the Raporator podcast.
You know, the prestigious platform that we have. So he

(00:31):
told some good stories.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I like to think about you broke it, you know,
beat Out, with his research. You broke the whole thing
about eBay why he put the song in eBay to
get the rights to it, which is crazy, how crazy
a foul of publishing businesses, you know, that's why he
put the song on eBay. And then the thing about
the Beyonce album is Justice for Thick. He didn't know
even though nothing about it. It surprised me because hip

(00:53):
Boy usually stays informed about a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Right, you know, I guess the guy's busy. But also
like the fact that he talked about coming out with
Eyes perform at Madison Square Garden and giving the starts
on the state of sampling right now, because that seems
to be a hot topic.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
You got wayo stir that up right, shut out the
way though, word up, you know, and big here man,
you gotta faget big head man did this, Big came home.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
He's hitting the ground running.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's a good o gee. He's putting that work in.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
You gotta respect it, man. And I think it's really
the first true like father son combination. Really, you know,
think about it. It's like this is real life, man,
It's not. It's not Birdman in a little Wayne back
of the day. This is a real father, real son.
You know what I'm saying, the real deal. So watch man,
real DNA, real blood man, real blood man. Speaking of

(01:39):
blood man, this guy Drake's catching a lot of shots
out here in the internet and with this album. Man,
we gotta talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Man, I can't get your take on this, man.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I got know and my bugging because look, I understand
I've had my issues with Drake as the people know.
It seems like he's picking. He's picked the other targets recently,
which I appreciate. He's thinking of taking a weight off me.
I feel like, you know, by the scenes, we've had
some pleasant exchanges with getting back to a better place.
So I just want to purchase that. By my opinion,
it's not based on this. I'm giving my objective opinion.

(02:08):
I like this album, and I don't know why everybody
hates it as much as they do. I'm anxious to
hear what you have to say about it, but I
like the album. I think it's obviously has its fault.
It's another very long Drake album that it's like, you know,
it's so funny. I saw this one kid on Complex
was saying, like, it's twenty three songs, but it feels
like forty, and I understand what he meant, because you know,
now we do a lot of beat switches on songs

(02:30):
and different arrangements and stuff, and then in touludes, so
it is a very long listen, but I think that
at its core, what I like about it is that
I think Drake got back into the R and B bag,
and you know, songs like due Picasso and Fear of
Heights and those kind of records Bahama, Bahama's pomp promises.
I can't say Obama's promises and try our best like
I like those joints. I felt like he hadn't tapped

(02:51):
into that R and B lane and delivery content to
that level in a while. But I could understand people
being like the signing up bars on there, right, I
know you like when he spits pause, But uh, yeah,
I'm not. I'm just not hating the album as much
as everybody is. I was really surprised by how much
the internet has become a thing to really like be
against this album. I think he has like the lowest
Metacritics score of the year. So the floor jews beat out,

(03:17):
tell me, am I bugging I like this album, and
my bugging beat that I like this album.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I think I'm at the core raid on you, Elliott,
because I think you're bugging.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Man a lot too. Too. Be that, Yeah too be that.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, I don't like it, you know, Like I said
on Twitter, it's all Kevin Durant's fault. He's the reason
behind all this calamity.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh my god, South of the Boardroom man, Sutage, climb
Its KD four putting like KT's jacket. He put out
Kat's jacket.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Taking it off, man taking it off. But you know
he's the A and off but you know, off back.
I think it, like you said, it was too long.
I think twenty three tracks is kind of like a
daunting listen in today's world to me, After like thirteen songs,
it starts to feel like homework a little bit. And
then also, you know, Drake usually sets the tone with
his intros. Yeah, and I think those are often like

(04:06):
the hallmarks of his albums, so like there's no over
my dead Body, there's no tusk in leather survival legend,
even Champagne poetry this time around. So that kind of
like was a little bit dismaying.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
He saw Viga beat you, we saw Viginia Beach. He
stud its gonna bar him up, bar push it up
by everybody up.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And I just thought it was gonna be one of
those you know, signature you know, openings, and it just
wasn't that sonically to me. None of the beats really
grabbed me by the collar. I liked eight Am and Charlotte,
produced by the conductor Rock Baby Rich Baby daddy. You know,
it has that Atlanta Miami bass feel, which is kind
of popular right now. Uh first person Shooter with J Cole.

(04:47):
I think it was a great standout, great beat boy
Wonder was on a production with that, So that's really
about it. And then also like lyrically, I feel like
some of the similes and metaphors mister Mark don't feel
as clever and as quibble as in the past. I
mean at the side of uh being a nitpicker, Like

(05:08):
he has lines like I know you a cap, but
you can you pussy do the dog? I stayed with
the old like a baygel. I'm thinking about more cake
than a funnel. Like there's a lot of lines. I'm
just like, come on, Drake, you can do better than this.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I saw them get on with the check of checkers,
a little lockey in line or something like that, so
it was like.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
He said, it got you out here moving and wastes
like a belt, Like I think Drake's a little bit
better than that. But you know, just at the end
of the day, the expectations of a global superstar like
really high, and with him it's tenfold, and you know
he's already in Cooperstown he has his gold jacket, but
I feel like the frustration lies in the fact that
he's capable of delivering wrap at the highest level, and

(05:52):
we're disappointed when the output doesn't reflect those abilities.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I mean, what's your take on how they feel like
with the content wise, Drake's like catering too much to
a the demo, right, Like he's cool with YACHTI. Now, like,
do you think that he's catering too much to the
other of the crowd to try to stay you know,
at the at the forefront of the culture.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I disagree. I think it's a misconception. Like Yachty is
a grown man, Like he's not some high school teenager,
you know, running around like he's in the dope, and
at the end of the day, like Drake is his
own orbit. You know, if this guy sneeze without covering
his mouth, it's making headlines. Everyone's gonna be interested. So
it's like, I don't I think that's just a misconception.

(06:29):
I don't think Drake has to be that meillable and
and necessarily collaborate with a Yeat or a YACHTI or
sexy Red to you know, stay relevant or to keep
a sound because Drake came into the game creating a sound,
you know, on the back of like eight o waits
and heartbreaks. So I don't think that I think I
think that's just a misconception.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well I do.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I do think that production was, Like you said, it
may be the sound for you, but a lot of
that sounds like a lot of the current like Banks,
kind of like this's produced big of them as Banks,
like a Kyle of that kind of like it's not
really drill, but like a different kind of sound. I
feel like he did a good job of tins of
morphine that with fort these touches on it, like the
filtering that they do in their sonics and their music.
So I feel like to somewhat, yeah, I think the

(07:12):
difference between this guys that he still wants to be
on top of the rack game. I mean there's a
difference of it, Like if he really did pleased to
hip hop crowd and say, you know what, I'm just
gonna bar it up and I'm gonna give you time
Stamp type records and give you twelve songs of that, Like,
I don't know if that record does four and fifty
thousand first week, I think that record might do two
hundred thousand first week, but I don't think it's gonna
be like he's still number one. I think this gets
important for this guy still to like he told us

(07:34):
in a rapperator I interview many years back, to show
his versatility, that he could he could please all these
different audiences, and he wants to maintain that number one positions.
So when I see all this stuff about you should
mature and change his content or he you know, I
think he's very calculated. I think he's also very stubborn.
So the more people are telling you you should do that,
he's telling his truth, which is he's still talking about
dealing with females and he ups and downs of that,

(07:54):
and you know, he's telling his truth. I think from artists,
all I want you to do is tell me your truth.
And if that's how he's really living, you know, I'm
not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I think a lot of people that are having
those criticisms don't really listen to the music because Drake
gives that. You know, he's been giving that throughout his career.
I mean I could cite a song like March fourteenth,
when he's talking about fatherhood with his son or his
relationship with his mother on Sandra's Rose or growing up
in Toronto, you in the six like he has those
moments literally throughout you know, his entire catalog. But I

(08:24):
don't think Drake has to you know, necessarily, like I said,
bend to whatever. It is a primined sound right now,
because let's be honest, Like the record everyone's talking about
is first Person Shoot with him and j Cole, Those
Cold those are the those that's the record that you know,
everyone is barring each other up. So I don't know
what he did with Cole going on there, barring him up,

(08:45):
barring him up on his own joint. Man cold, Jamae,
That's what Jamaine, That's what he does. Man like Jermaine
is a rappers, rapper like he's his powers are increasing
and you know, I love to see it. I'm looking
forward to his next album.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
The Fall Off, because you know, I love full of
the off Season, so I'm interested to see what he's
going to deliver. Yeah, I think that big free dynamic
is still so interesting. I feel like even when you
know Drake digs up Cold or allows Cole to like
you know, shine on his platform and always big brings
by the shows to me always feels like it's a
competitive stance against Kendrick, like a little dig of the

(09:19):
Big Three, Like they're like he's on They're on one
side of dudes on the other side. Like you know,
you have some song on the album about he says, uh,
making Michelle Obama's playlist or something like that. I feel
like that was a Jabba Kadot Like it's the Big three, man,
it's the dynamic we can't escape, right, Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, it's like Cole isn't oblivious to what the
chatter is online and offline. You know, those guys are
the three headed monster and it's been that way for
a long time. But it's also a competitive nature that
Cole has. He comes from the school of Cannabis and
jay Z and those guys you know so in nas
so of course he's he wants to be the best.
I think they all, all three of them want to.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So you think Drake Jay saying he's taking a break finally, man,
he's been. He's been giving us a lot of output
the last even in the twenty twenty he's he's giving
us what like four projects and stuff. He said he's
finally gonna take a little break. I don't know if
I believe him. I think he can easily get pulled
back in. He's a monster, he's a cerebral assassin. But
if he says he's gonna take a break, that's people

(10:15):
really excited about the idea he takes a break. What
do you think about him taking a break?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know, I like the idea of a break. You know,
sometimes you know, you have to go away to make
people miss you. And at the end of the day,
whether I like the album or not, you know, it's
a blessing that Drake has been able to share his
talent with us for the last what you know, thirteen years.
So I think sometimes, you know, you just need to recharge,
reset and you know, regroup and you know, find some
new sounds and maybe you or I could send him

(10:40):
some beatsteack.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's what you like to do. Be I know, you'd
be out here thanks to the beach. That's you. That's
your job, man, that's how you even get down man,
you know, And.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
We'll see what he you know, what he comes back
and what he has to offer.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
So well, we have the suite to Drake man. We
we have the off is very special, very unique for
this episode because beat I came up with this idea
and at first, I'll be honest with you, hip hop audience,
I did not know who he was talking about. He's like, yo, al,
what do you think about doing Geechee Gotti? And I'm like, oh,
Beachi Gottio, Yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Geechi Gotti. Every effing bar man. He's like, to me,
the face of battle rap right now, you're just coming
off that crazy battle was easy to block Captain on
Remy Moss platform Cron twenty three. Yeah, and he seen
enough the timeline yo.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, he's interesting.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I did my research after you mentioned him, and I
obviously knew about the controversy he had caused with the
Remy Mott thing, and you know, and everybody was talking
about it. It's like one of those battles that kind
of really hit the overall landscape of the culture and
got out of that bubble and really made an impact.
And I did my research, man. I was going back
watching some of his battles and just getting to know him,
and it just made me understand it, like obviously, you

(11:48):
know it's lyricism, right, it's bars and we respect that
you love hip hop, you love you love bars, but
the whole psychology wereun battle rap, and you know the
ability and how they function, and you know the addressed
states he told us about, Like I had a lot
of his questions about it. I thought he was a
very interesting interview and it's the way to understand his
approach to battle rap and how he how he deals
with it, and how he became so good and how

(12:08):
he came up to the ranks of it. Here's a
brother from Compton, California. You know, it's a very interesting story.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I learned a lot myself, so you know, they may
climb me and say, Elliott, it's like a little novice
out there asking these questions, man, But it was it
was fascinated to me to kind of get into the
mind of somebody that does that for a living and
become successful at it.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
No, that's I think that's a great approach. You know,
you always have to approach things with like a childlike nativity.
I love the fact that you know, battle rap has evolved.
I've I've kind of fell off from it, you know,
from the early days of the DVD era and smack
man shout smack right, absolutely shout out to smack. But
I think it's dope. How you know, things have evolved

(12:45):
and have grown since then, Like the money is different now.
Guys are making my private practice money doing these battles.
He's in private practice money. Live man, hey man, battle
rap baby, And at the end of the day, Geechee
is one of those guys doing it. So you know
you're gonna have a great conversation and see what he
has to say.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Absolutely, man, little swist a style up on you. But
I think it's it's on the same level of the
quality as we always deliver.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Very excited to talk to this young man, Mister Geechee Gotti.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're sir to rap rate our podcasts?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, year rap rate up podcast. Elliot Wilson's name is
beat Out, beat Out. What's up baby?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
My game face on today? Elliott.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
You can't battle this man, man, He's eat you alive.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know what I'm saying. We don't even cover battle rap,
but this man is the man that Hour and Hip
Hop wanted to have you. Man, Geechee Gotti, you Gotti brother, Bro.
Every battle rapper is hating right now, you know what
I'm saying. At ever, been on the wrapper.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Up yeah in the first one. Okay, so yeah, we
gotta do it right there.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
For you're like the hottest deming battle rap right now.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So far, you had like eleven battles this year.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's life for me because really
I'll usually be having like twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
For real.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
So there's like a light year as far as like
in my career because like I usually I kind of
battled everybody, So like this year kind of me more.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Giving shots and given opportunities. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I've still got a few maybe one or two big
battles that people that I haven't battled, but for the
most part, I've battled like every name in the business,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
So what clicked this year? Even before the easy to
block battle? Like, what do you think it is about
this year?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
It's made it so that made it so special for me?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it was just one of those years where
it was like, uh, like I say, I've already battled everybody,
so more so people were kind of like what else
is what else is there for him to do? You
know what I'm saying, Like he's already an under one
Battle of the Year three times. I haven't been in
like main stage battles probably more than anybody like in
my generation of it done battled all the top name

(14:42):
so I think this year just for them to see
me kind of scale back and like give shots. Like
a lot of the newer battlers that I've battled, it's
been like going to their hometown or going to their
home league, you know what I'm saying, and not just
necessarily being on all the big platforms, Like I went
to a lot of local leagues and you know, gave
shots out.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
So I think a lot of people respected that.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
There tends to be a lot of overlap, right yeah,
yeah for real.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
But you're first from Toronto, which was a storic for you,
right yeah, it's not easy to get into that country.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Now it's not.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
It's not was that was my first time ever even
leaving the country as an adult, you know, and then
being a feeling you know it definitely can't get into there.
But organic who's the owner of a King of the
Dot which is the league I battled on a King
of the doupt the number one league out there in Canada.
They pulled some strengths I won't even say pulling those strings.
But they you know, they they went through the proper
channels of what it took to kind of get me

(15:30):
over there, got me a thing called a TRP, which
is like a temporary resident permit or something like that,
to where I can go over there come for work. Basically,
you know, let him know, like, Yo, this dude not
coming over here to rive. Nobody ain't not coming over
with no not He's actually coming over here for business
and working. They allowed it to happen, and then I'm
actually at the moment able to go for like up
to a year. But they're trying to get it to

(15:50):
where it'll be like permanent, to where you know, they
can make it to where I don't even have those
restrictions anymore. You know what I'm saying, because a lot
of a lot of fans over there that I didn't
even know I had until I went over there.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
It was really expensive, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah it was
Yeah for real.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I saw it. It cost like fifteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, just to get the paperwork sent through. Yeah, fifteen thousand. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Then they still have to
pay me, so shout out.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It was a battle, because I know you also shouted
out a fall in front of us.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, yes, the battle was against a guy named Hollahan
who was a good friend of Past Day, Rest in peace.
He passed away. He was a big, big icon in
battle wrap. But it's also from Canada, so he passed away.
He was a good friend of mine. I'm not as
good as a friend of him as the God Battle.
Through the God Battle, they grew up together, they knew
each other. So for me, it was like I'm getting
the battle Hallahan. It's kind of like battling Past Day

(16:41):
because I I was scheduled to battle before he passed away,
didn't get a chance to do that. So I made
it my business to like use my third round to
get more of a tribute. Because we tear each other
day on the whole battle, calling each other names, all
this nonsense.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
But it's like we actually lost somebody that we all
care about, even me and my opponent and the league
that I'm on.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
So I'm like to make sure that I'm here, I'm and.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
His wife is there, his brother is there, Like let
me give a tribute instead of just being all negative
the whole round, and they loved it, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
They they gave me a good.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Reception another you know, like you know what I mean
in a sense though seriously though, because like I said,
like even in the tribute, it was more so of
me just leaving a piece out there because his family
will be able to see that years later. You know.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
You can always say.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
People use it when you especially in batterle rep usually
when you die, or we in celebrities anything, We kind
of use it to make a bar out of you
know what I'm saying, like a like a Tupac bar
to be like a year.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Tupac you get the ball ahead, you die like Biggie.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Like we don't really never kind of pay homage, Like
we kind of use it to say something disrespectful in
a sense, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
So I didn't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Like I said, it was a friend of mine and
he's a big part of the culture, so I wanted
to use that to like give a real tribute.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Canada loved it. The family loved it, so like I
was good with that.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
What was the crowd like out there in Canada?

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Man? It was dope, Like I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Probably one of the best crowds ever battle in front
of Wow Like they was receptive to every bar they was.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
They was really like, uh, what's the participant?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You know, some some places when you go, especially on
battling somebody from their home like you've seen in an
easy battle. Usually when you go this where somebody's from,
it take a while for the crowd to want to
give it to you because they're going for the home God.
But Canada, like I say, like, they were so static
that I would be able to go there because they've
heard for years like Gill never be able to make
it here. So about me being there, it was just like,

(18:20):
oh man, I'm gonna give it up for you, Like
we don't know if we're gonna get to come back.
So they they so loved that was probably one of
the best crowds I ever battled in front of Shout
Out Toronto for real.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
You think it's been your tough supponent this year so far? Man,
That bad news.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Bad news was a good one.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta say that bad news man. Then
like I say another shot that I was giving going
to his home league. He battles on Bullpen. He's one
of the faces of that league with John John out
of Atlanta. He's from the South. I had to go
to his backyard and do that. It's another news out
of Philly. Had to battle him in Philly in.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
The streets, like to do that. That's my thing, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
So those would be too about magic that I would
say was real tough this year as far as like
going to somebody's backyard and eveninge like you know, snatch
the respect.

Speaker 3 (19:04):

Speaker 2 (19:04):
So what's the key to this man? It's an art
for him minute, I don't think it's the full credit.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Like yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
You're about to battle this guy, how do you go
about preparing for Like he takes it into the process
of how.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
You Yeah, so uh, I mean this is I'm gonna
be honest man, Like this is the most draining toxic
energy like sport you can be in part of.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like this is like boxing, Like it takes a lot
out of you to do this.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Like like you say, say I have a battle with somebody,
I know what say bad news for bad news for
example in Atlanta coming up, and I got my kids'
birthdays like a couple of days before all this type
of stuff going on, our real life going on. But
I gotta shut down. Think about this guy when I
gonna write for him for three rounds. Were talking three
to four maybe five minute rounds each round. That's fifteen

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minutes and materity that we got to memorize and go
through flawless.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
We can't ever wrap it again.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
We can't say something we said in the past battle
and it also has to run. It gotta make sense,
They gotta correlate. It's time consuming. It's time consuming. So
like my process for the most part, as good as
and great as I am, I'll be honest, like I'm
probably one of the most last minute preparers in this
like it because I be doing so much. I got
my own clothing line, I my own podcast, I run

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other businesses. So it'd be like sometimes like, man, I
don't even feel like doing this. I want to say, no,
you know what I'm saying, But but but you got
a fine time. But like I've been doing it so long,
Like it's like, uh, you know, muscle memory kind of
the same with your mindset, you know what I'm saying.
Like the repetitiveness, Like I've learned how to like when
it's time to cram me in like I can remember
I got a photo what's the word like for the

(20:35):
photographic memory? Like, so once I done read something enough,
I kind of know how to say it, so like
Min's is. Once I write it down and my partner's there,
they they they're just they'll be like, yo, man, as
you own it. They I got a whole team of
people that call me constantly make sure that I'm on
top of my game. So it's not just me alone.
I will say that I got a team that makes
sure they hit me up, like, yo, did you get
your rounds ready?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
As you're ready? Like spit it like practice it.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
So like when it comes to crunch time, I kind
of just make sure I'm a I lock in maybe
like a full day or two to just dedicate it
to making sure I'm like learning all my material, making
sure that I'm ready for the crowd, ready for whatever
is coming up. So y'all give myself at least that
that week of our cram like like like Krama four.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Finals or something. Do you write it first in the
memory memor I ride it in memoria?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
How many bars is that you think? Like? Pro round
gotta be.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Like I say, like a sixteen and be like what
a minute or something. So we like we probably like
in the sixty bars around like range.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know, I'm just saying, like do you run lines
by your team? Like do they feed you lines or
is it just all.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Like no, we don't.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
We can't feed each other lines just because like you know,
that's frowned upon in this sport, Like you know, like
the in the studio, you could be in there like hey, yeah,
man say this, and you know and all that, but
in this sport, like that's frowned upon, the ghost writing.
But what I do is like I do go over
like I'm I'm part of one of the toughest teams
with every everything Boar you know me Rum Nitty, Danny Mars,
j C, Miss Hustle, Like these are some of the

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best battle rappers.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
In the world.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
So I do spar with them, Like you know what
I'm saying, I'll spin my material like say, if I'm
spinning it to Rum, he the type of tell me
like I ain't gonna have heard that before, like I
shouldn't say that, So then I'll probably take it out
like he won't tell me what to say, but he'll
give me something like, Nah, that don't. That don't hit
for me, you know what I'm saying. So like we
kind of proof read we spoor with each other, you
know what I mean. If it's a reference or something
that I'm not familiar with, he could tell me like, nah,

(22:18):
that's why this makes sense, you know what I'm saying
things like that.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
So mostly like my team is who I was spared with,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And then this is the thing about researching this person
and trying to unearth some stuff about the person, like
the detective work side of it.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Don't I really don't do that that much, you know
what I'm saying. Like a lot of battlers, they die
deep into like who you went to elementary school? You
know what I'm saying, your mama's first boyfriend. And I
don't get into a deep into that like mans be
on the surface. Now if it hit the net, yeah,
I'm snatching it up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Because it's you hear me, You're gonna hear from me.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I'm not gonna go around calling your baby mama and
ask me what you hearing, or calling your moms and
see if you ate all your spaghetti. But me, I'm
gonna grab what's in the news or grab what's in
battle rap culture, because so much happens in battle rap.
It's such a culture within itself that people don't know,
Like it might be something that happened at.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
An event that all the battlers know about, so we grab.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
That's why a lot of times they call it current
event boards, you know what I'm saying, Like, let's say
Tory Lanes and making us down.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You hear a lot of those boars because that's something
that's in the news.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
You hear about saying let's keep e d situation, like
that'd be something that's in the news.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
So sorry they make a bar about these things.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Like that's kind of myself, Like I grab what's kind
of out there and make it more personal about my opponent,
you know.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
What I'm saying, I kind of try to tack their character.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So you speak to the visiousness of it too, like
you know, like remember when Drake said it to push
your thing. You know, sometimes you go too far with this,
Like what's your take on that, Like is it a
thing where like you've been in bowsy for like that
person might have went too far or how do you judge.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
That I'm one of the more disrespectful battlers.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
So like out there say I'm a hypocrite if I say,
is going too far, but I feel like maybe disrespecting
someone that's not here, like you know what I mean,
Like like if I battled you and I heard your
mom just pass and I know that, I feel like
that's going too far. Like there's no reason to get
that personal with it, you know what I'm saying, Like
you know, the bar is not gonna it's gonna last
forever on the internet, and it's not gonna mean that much.

(24:08):
You gonna still get paid the same money you could.
You could, you could take that out. To me, that's
going too far. Sometimes when you dive into death and
things that that really poke at other people emotions because
it's not just you. You got family members and other
people that love that. So for me, that's going too far.
Besides that, I think, I mean, even that has been
done though in batter raper, I ain't gonna say that,
and people do that they is it's around that, so

(24:29):
it goes down. But for me, that would be my
only thing that's too far. Other than that, it's kind
of battle rap.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
It's like the gloves it's off. It's like a warrior sport.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
You gotta have tough skin when you get into this anyway.
You gotta understand that, you know, people gonna say the
worst or the worst about you.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
They gonna make up things. It's gonna be fake things.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
So you gotta kind of know how to just like
roll with the punches, Like if you're not ready for it,
then you're not even gonna You shouldn't waste your time
doing this because the higher you get, it's the worster
it's gonna get.

Speaker 3 (24:52):

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think one of your advantages to is the fact
that you know how to freestyle. Yeah, and you can
cooperate the freestyle into the written That's a fact because
you know your response is is like how the hell
did he just come up.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
With this fact?

Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's a fact because a lot of battlers don't bring
that aspect no more, you know what I'm saying, like
the freestyle aspect, and I think coming from the West,
we always kind of had to have that like freestyle ability,
you know what I'm saying, And we got it in
our own way.

Speaker 3 (25:17):

Speaker 4 (25:17):
It's not like everybody do it the same, but me minds,
I've always been like that since a youngster, Like I'm
gonna be quick with it. As soon as you say something,
I'm trying to remember what he said and jump back,
you know what I mean. You know, we call it
rebuttaling and battle rap, you know what I'm saying. So,
and that's like kind of a way we score points.
Like if you said something against me and I was
able to rebuttle it, then it's like, oh dang, everything
you said kind of don't matter no more, like he

(25:38):
took all that away. It's a few battlers who do
that at a higher level, like the DNA's, the hollows,
the clips. You know, I'm fortunate to be one of
them as well.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So talk if we talked about the preparation, what's going
through your mind as you enter a battle.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Man, I'll be ready.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm gonna be honest, I'd be so ready for it
to be over. Really, my mind be on some man,
Please don't chow. Don't mess up like you don't because
because like you say, you get one chance at it.
There's no redo. It's not like I can say, stop
punch me in, right, here, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm like, man, this let me you know, I
pray for the battles, you know, so let me make
sure I get through this material clean. I may be

(26:12):
sure that make make sure that I deliver it the
way that I wrote it, the way that I plan
to deliver it.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
I try to like zone, I really can't eat before
a battle, Like I don't know, it's just weird, Like
you know, I always think of that moms spaghetti throwing it.
So I'll be like, like, you know what else to
get up here? Throw se battles, throw up those days
and stuff like that, you know. So I'm like, I
can't eat.

Speaker 3 (26:33):

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I got like I don't smoke, drink, none of that
before battles, none of that. Like you don't see me
drink and smoking. It's it's clear minded, it's possible up there,
you know what I'm saying. So that's kind of what's
going through my mind, is just making sure I get
the best performance because at the level I've made it
too now, I'm held to such a high standard that
I'm critiqued with like a microscope, like can you stumble
any things. Oh, he doing bad this one, Like you know,

(26:55):
it's like in basketball or something. You know you're gonna
hold Lebron to a different standard, and you hold any
average player like he dropped twenty instead of thirty to
night he had a bad game. So I look at
the same way and battle rap if I'm if I
fall off just an inch, like they gonna say, I'm
having a bad night, so I try to make sure
I'm on top of it.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's also interesting to me how do you receive the
bars against you? How that person reacts, Like you put
your head down, you sip some water, Like is there
a set mindset of what you're gonna do when you
guys and helling on you like or do you is
a natural reaction?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Nah? Yeah, No.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Defense is a part of battle wrap too. You know
what I'm saying, Like some dudes you can visually see
that it's affecting them when you're saying stuff to him.
You hear the like pounting or trying to talk to
your around.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know what I'm saying, mumble.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Mumbling or looking around like doing all that. You know,
like me, I'm I'm probably one of the better defensive battles.
I really I zone out. Anybody on my head be damn,
I'm I damn it, don't even be listening. You know
what I'm saying, like, I'm the only thing I'm listening
for is something that I might need to rebuttle, Like
let me see if he got something that make the
crowd go crazy, then let me see if I can
rebuttle that. Other than that, I'm thinking about all right, man,

(27:59):
I can't wait for this. All I got, like how
many more rounds he got?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
You know?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I try to be as much professional as possible too, though,
because that ruins the footage a lot of the times
when you're talking through your guys material are doing all
of this, and now you've got other stuff going on.
Like for me, I try to make sure the material
gonna come out as good as possible, the footage gonna
come out it because that's what makes the views go up.
If if the battle is choppy on the arguing side
or just looking bad, people are not gonna want to

(28:22):
watch it. So I try to make sure that that's
not gonna be because of me. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm not gonna be up there arguing and I don't
really care what you say. You know what I'm saying,
I don't even believe half the stuff they're saying.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Why do I have to have so many people on stage? Man?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Like, uh, that's just the ask the what's the aspect
of the game that it's just like that's always been
battle rapped the streets, so before it was on the stage.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
You know, they meet up on the corner. You're gonna
bring all your homies, you bring all his homies. So
we still got that much of it.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
You know what I'm saying. I ain't went that commercial
to where we don't do that. You still bring all
your partners, you bring all your puners. It's a respect thing,
like we let our people know like this is just bars.
We're not him here to harm body or starting nothing.
But like now we're gonna make it look good like
man when he wrapping Man, don't give him no love
like stoneface. Make him feel that everything he's saying this week.
So that's pretty much the entourage thing is to kind
of just you know what I mean, hold you down

(29:11):
up there, you know what I'm saying, Hold you down.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Or you have the world talking after this battle easy
to block yeah, I'm gonna be mass platform Crown twenty
three shot out. Did you think the battle is gonna
get that sort of reaction?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Man, I honestly did, though, you know what I'm saying,
because at the time easy to block Captain he was
on fire, one of the higher battle wrappers of the year,
you know what I'm saying. Then, of course you know
where I'm at on my status of it. So this
was a big battle coming into it already, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
So then all the.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Speculations surrounding the battle, everything like where it's going down at,
who is he gonna talk about this? Do they got
this going on? Like all the things around it made
it even that much bigger. So even in the face off,
I was telling him like, man, we're gonna y'all keep playing.
We're gonna go viral. Like I'm saying that to him,
I'm gonna talk crazy up in here. You know what
I'm saying. He's saying like, yeah, I want to go viral.
So I think I didn't have to spectation that it'll

(30:00):
go like how I did. But I did feel like
it was gonna like make some some noise, you feel me,
But it probably over exceeded what I thought it was
gonna do.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
You know what I'm saying for real, for real.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Because to me, like the last Battle, I feel like
they had that sort of mainstream attention was probably like
the load of luxe Cali cool back, and he tweeted, and.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
You're gonna get this work again most definitely, I believe. So.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I think since then, Battle Rap has been big, but
it haven't got that main stream attention. Like so like
Drake has been to the battles, you know, he sponsored battles,
like he sponsored some of my battles. We've seen other
celebrities there, but when they talk about it, like it
don't really still go as far as it could go.
I think this time it kind of just you see
people talking about it, people blogging about it, people just everywhere.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know what I'm saying, Radio stations playing it, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I feel hearing like your playback on Power one five
that was.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Crazy right there, you know what I'm saying. Like I
think I was still in New York when that was
going on too, like because I didn't leave. I bought
it one way after when I Battle Easy. So we
was in Philly in New York for some days like
and people hitting me up like yo, they playing you
on Palm.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
I'm like, Yo, this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
So that was a humbling experience, you know what I'm saying,
because I know they've talked about battle rap probably like
you said, but nobody's ever played the whole round right
from somebody up there.

Speaker 3 (31:08):

Speaker 4 (31:09):
They don't play my ram before they play one of
my songs. So hey, that's that's a blessed.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's a start, you know, like that two Am Hollywood Hills.
But that's that's a challenge, right, It's challenge for battle
rappers to become recording artists that break cha. Can you
speak to that?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I think the challenge is because battle rapper is a
niche sport that your fans kind of want you to
stay there. You know what I'm saying, be the king
of that world. It's like if you an athlete, say
you you play football, but you're amazing at basketball, but
you and you in the NFL. You can't go to
the NBA because like nah, man, you are quarterback. You
might be able to dunk on everybody and make it

(31:45):
over here, but they want you, right here.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
This is what you do round here.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
We've seen athletes who are only a few who've done it,
like the Bo Jackson's and Dion's and you know what
I mean, seeing Mike Trot, they wouldn't letting even happen,
you know. But it's the same with battle rap, where
you could put out consistently good music, but the fans like, man,
when you're next battle, when your next battle. So like
one of my challenges is to always try to make
sure when I'm putting out the music that it's not
battle rap music. I'm not trying to have battle rap

(32:09):
disc records or battle rap be like punchliney type songs
like you say at two am, Hollywood. Heills more substance music,
like it's something that's talking to like my lifestyle, my
struggles and things like that, to where the fans who
do listen to it, it's like, Okay, this don't sound
like how he sound on stage.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
So I can be a fan of.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
His music separate from his battle but it's definitely is
definitely a challenge, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
It's weird because like traditionally, like rappers like be a
Big and dmx j Z, d eminem all come from
that battle rap. Like battle rap used to be like
the con do it to get signed, you knowing, right,
But it seems like somewhere along the lines the narrative
has changed.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Well, like you, when they come battle of its almost
like he gives that side of him up, he becomes
them and them, he becomes something different, but that's still
in him, right, we hit a bat And then sometimes
they say the mainstream battles also do spike up interest
in the battle scene because people remember, oh it's about
is my lyrics?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Is still the lyricism there?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
And then I think now as of late now you
can actually make a career being a battle rapper. Like
back then, like you had to battle to get signed
because there was no money in battle rep. Now with
so much different money in battle rap, the top tier
battlers can make like you know what I mean, two
to three four hundred thousand a year, you know what
I'm saying, maybe even more. You know how many battles
they do and how much they get paid for battle
you know what I'm saying. So you got to catch

(33:23):
like that that's up in there, like making million dollars
off a battle rep. They like I'll just stick right here,
you know. So I think that's kind of where kind
of the the change when where a lot of the
top tiers wasn't trying to get signed anymore.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
They signing battle deals and things like that.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And a lot of times the battle rep we don't
think a battlerapper from Compton, California. Right. And then I've
seen some interviews you were talking about like speaking to
that like that journey of like almost you change your
mind state that if you're getting a thousand dollars a battle,
that's not this cheap money whatever blah blah. But if
I get focused on that, I'm gonna elevate.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Im elevantor yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
No, that's how it come like like you say, I'm
coming from Compton. I done been a jail, I done
been shot, I've been through all these different hardships. So
when I'm telling my partners like, yeah, they give me
a thousand dollars, and he telling me like to rap,
like what like for nine minutes you they're gonna give
a thousand dollars real quick, like now you know? Yeah
you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, man, he telling
me like you crazy. I wrap every day you know

(34:13):
what I'm like, you know what I mean, like go
up there and do that. So like you know that
I kind of owed that to myself and to the
people that believed in me, because it's like, like we
do a lot more worse things that can land you
a lot worse places for less, you know. So so
for me it's like, yo, you know what, like if
this is something that can help and it did change
my life too, I will say that battle rap rap period,

(34:33):
you know what I'm saying that and put me in
I mean, look around mat now, you know what I'm saying.
Just put me in different places in my life, took
me to Canada, took me to these different platforms, you know.
So I'm glad I did take that advice, you know
what I'm saying, and continue.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
To do it.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
And that's why I said earlier it's alight year from
because once he said that, they clicked, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm every time they hit me up for a car,
you'll put me on there any matter where it was
that how much they was paying, Like I was just
just signing the contract, like y'all be there in New York. Yeah,
I'm here, Atlanta. There Houston there, like we just going,
We're going, I'm staying planes I was. It kept me
away from the trouble. I was missing things like I
had homies who passed away and the missed all of
this type of stuff, you know, Like, but I'm you know,

(35:07):
I'm blessed to say that some of those times I
missed those things, you know what I'm saying, Like it'll
be somewhere I just was at and now I'm in
Houston and then I hear about somebody a friend passing away,
you know.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
So it definitely like saved my life in more than
one way.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Stick it to the business of battle rap, you know,
like it has evolved over the last twenty years and
it's like dozens of leagues now, right, and you even
have your own league, right, yeah, the riot, right can
you speak to that? Like why you know a lot
of people are having their own platforms?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, because of like you said, the business of it love.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Now you're starting to see that it's such a it's
such a big, big, big like subculture where people are
still tuned in. You getting millions of views, so I
mean millions of people that's watching this. So of course,
as a as a battler. You I mean, you want
to get signed and somebody can give you the money
to do it, that's fine, but also like betting on yourself,
you know. So that's what we did with the rotters,

(35:53):
like we kind of betting on ourselves. We put our
own money up. We booked some of the same battlers
that get booked on other platforms, and then also give
opportunity to some of the newer guys who might not
get those looks, and then we better on ourselves. We
just threw an event, like about a month ago, we
had pay per view. We did good numbers on the
pay per view. We did good numbers at the door.
We was at a we was in Atlanta, King of Diamonds.
It was it was just a good vibe. It was

(36:14):
something different, you know. So I think in the business
of it now, most people are kind of looking at
it like, let's see, is it another way? Most battlers
are trying to see another way to get money from it,
you know what I'm saying. Without having the battle You've
seen John John, like I said, at the bull pen
and got his own league. We knew Arsenal at his
own league. So it's a few of them who tried
to step down and do different things and give other
opportunities because now so many battlers, you need more leagues,

(36:36):
you know what I'm saying, Like, everybody not gonna make
it to you are real, it's just the facts, you
know what I'm saying. And everybody not gonna get on
the RB stage or the King of the d stay.
So the more the more leagues out there, the more
opportunities to find new stars and to you know, help
you know, build this, build this cultural.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Are some people like exclusive to this one league or
it is like.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
To my league or just in general, Yeah, some people are. Yeah,
some people signed exclusive contracts to I know for sure,
the U are real. I'm pretty sure some people signed
exclusive contracts to King of the Dot or things like that.
But uh, with the Riot, we don't necessarily do like
where you can only battle with us. We do do
things like where we where you can we can help
like build you up, like we'll help build you up

(37:14):
like if you you know, just stay kind of loyal,
you know what I mean, You continue to show us
that you want to be on this platform, and we
grow through through the process. You might get a smaller
name on this one, and you get a better name
on this one, and so forth and so on. But
it's not saying like we don't sign you to where
you just can't move around.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I saw you're teasing something where you maybe cooking something
up with Foryd Mayweather.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Oh yeah, man, definitely man. Uh, you know he's big
into into this battle rap culture. You know what I'm saying.
So uh And I see he said it on the
Hip Hop's Real Thing. But it was an opportunity that
someone that led me towards and let me know, like, yo,
he was interested in doing something big with battle rapping.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
You know, I hope everything goes the way it's supposed
to go. Oh you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Like I can't speak too much on it, but definitely, man,
I know that when I battled who was it a
shotgun should be in the vent in Vegas and the
Floyd helped sponsor that. I think I won one of
the Champions of the Nights and like got extra like
six seven.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Thousand from Floyd at that event. You know. So, like
he definitely is in tune with battle rapping, knows what's going.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
On with the need to like recording rappers to be
hitting your line on the side and giving your problems.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, for sure.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Man, it's so many, too many even names, but like yeah,
I got so many of them that have tap in
and show me love. Like if you follow my career,
you see I bring a lot of them to my
neighborhood and you know, they they come reach out to
my to my homeboys, and you know, come back, get
back to the community. I got records with a lot
of a lot of dope rappers as well.

Speaker 3 (38:28):

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Me and Pas, he got a record that's going crazy.
You know what I'm saying right now, the call is it.
You know what I'm saying, that's going doing numbers. But definitely, man,
I'll say it's so many. Man, I'll just telling somebody
the other day, Uh Raloh Rodriguez hit me man after
the Easy Battle. You know, I'm getting him back, Like man,
I just was listening to that who this fun like
you know, so it was just dope, like to see

(38:50):
different artists that you wouldn't know, you know what I mean.
He probably didn't listen to his music. I didn't know
he watched my battle, right, you know that was just
one of many though, you know what I'm saying. Definitely
Toronto the God battle hollahand he actually hosted the battle
in Hallahan Battle Quartees.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
So it was like kind of like a full circle
moment right there, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
I'dne met so many legends from when I battle moved
me and bust the rhymes, gained the rapport in a relationship,
you know what I'm saying, and so many more artists
that I've like, even from Chicago my god Taste Savage
making a lot of noise right now, like we locked
in through like just music and different things. So it's
just a lot of artists that I definitely say like
since I've been battling, I have reached out to me
from the Drakes all the way down to up incoming

(39:30):
battlers who like I mean upcoming rappers who donet reached
out and told me they rock with me.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
So yes, a blessing as far as the money goes,
Like how does that work? Like do you think man
the same person as like a traditional rap performance.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
It depends, Like for certain everybody, price range is different.
So let's say it's certain matchups where I can get
about fifty thousand for that one battle you know what
I'm saying. So, and I know it's certain traditional rap
performances who do shows.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Where they might can get fifty four or so. Then
it's something who don't like.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I think it was a big argument, like on the
internet with say cheese or something that they're spending with
some people saying that battle rippers get paid like two hundred.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
In a sandwich and song, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
And I think hit Man show like a back end
where he got like half a million or something more
what it is, you know, so like, it's definitely money
in there, and I think the misconception was that it's
where they was arguing just saying like that they make
more make less. I don't think it's really a big difference.
I think the difference is a regular, you know, artist
who does shows. Maybe he can do his shows from

(40:30):
Thursday all the way to Sunday performing the same song.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Let's say he get ten thousand.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
In the show by his fourth show, he done made
forty bands, you know what I'm saying, Say he getting
fifty by his four if he done made two hundreds,
you know what I'm saying. Within a battle rapper, we
do maybe a show a month, you know what I'm saying,
maybe two, you know what I mean, on a good month.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know, So if I'm getting fifty for that show and.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Made a hundred for that month only with doing less
work less shows, you know what I'm saying as far
as that, So it kind of balances itself out.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Just depends on the level you at in both, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Because it's rappers who out there doing shows for two
hundred and it's batlers who out there doing shows for
twenty dollars, you know, you know, So it just depends
on the level you at.

Speaker 3 (41:05):

Speaker 2 (41:06):
For you can't repeat the material, like you said, the.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Biggest challenge, Like, we can't repeat the material, We can't
all them then boss, they're.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Gone after that. We can't hold the mic up right
here and let the crowd see it with.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
The opposite of the rapper, because the rapper, he's doing
this on over and over and over again and getting
his bag.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, so there's probably is a not even probably it's
way easier for them, you know what I'm saying, to
make their money. But like in the same time, though,
like everybody can't make a hit, so you know what
I'm saying, They earn't that right to make that money too.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
But it's dope to see like you and m Knitty
y'all split that one hundred fifty thousand dollars person that's
drink put up right.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
It's a fact. That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
That's my guy man, my brother outside of rap man.
You know, he uh somebody that I really rock with
and respect, you know what I'm saying. So that was
a no brainer, you know what I mean. Like once
and for the people who didn't know, we already knew
we was gonna split the money before you know that
got that we already came with that idea like we're
gonna but we're not finna cheat the culture like we're
gonna make we I'm gonna try to kill you up here,

(42:01):
you know what I'm saying, Like I want you to
do the same, like we got Drake standingever, we want
people to make sure their money's is worth up here.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
But were gonna split it like we ain't, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Like you say, we were not that hard for money
to where it's like I gotta walk away with one
fifty and then watch my boy that I'm saying, you
my brother walk away with zero. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you got kids, you got moles to feed. You aren't
your place to be up here? You know what I'm saying.
I actually won the votes, you know what I'm saying
for that battle, you know what I'm saying. And he
won the fan vote. I think it would have been
like a split decision where I won three to two
all together, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
But none of that even mattered. We never even let
the votes get out or nothing.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
We kind of just hurried up and you know, we
splitting the bread, you know, because people like will have
something to.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Say back then, like oh man, he split he won.
We didn't get nobody nothing.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
We already had it decided that we was gonna go
out there, put on the show, get a great battle.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
You know, split that bread.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Remember your first show, Yeah, my first one was a man,
my first one. Honestly, I was in jail for it too.
I was fin the battle ave I got locked up.
They was bailing me out. I was getting finished, get
bailed out, and then they hit me and it was like, yo,
you get That's what my promo for it was like
fresh out of jail, out on Bill California Dreaming or whatever.
You know what I'm saying, Uh, and I gotta pay

(43:07):
like five hundred dollars, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
But I put on the classic, you know what I'm saying.
I remember that was one of my best battles, you
know what I'm saying. But like that, that stuck to
the hunger, like getting I gotta do something because I
ain't trying to be going back to jail. I'm like, like,
let me put on the show and me I don't
know if I'm finna go back or what. So that
was five hundreds, like my first paid everything, Like you
know what I'm saying, And that meant something though back then,
you know, And that's still one of my highest view battles.

(43:30):
One of my biggest battles. That was in California. That
was one of the first big events they did in Kelly.
It was disasters on the car Tay. They had a
lot of people there, you know. So yeah, my first
paid was like five hundred and so I think after
that I made it was like getting a thousand. It
was like a whole year where I was probably getting
like a thousand and twelve hundred and fifteen hundred, you
know what I'm saying. So to be where I'm at now,
it means everything. You know, Like I ain't have it easy.

(43:52):
I had to really like go through the gauntlet, you
know what I'm saying. Like, besides that a battle, all
my other battles was on the road. You know what
I'm saying, I have to go to other people back
are other people cities, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
So most battle is it clear declared who the winner
is because a lot of times it's rooted in debate, right,
they want right, it's least most of the fans feedback after.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Unless it's judge just like an opinionated sport. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Now, you got clear cut Like you can watch battles
like my last one, what easy, it's clear cut out
want question right, But like it's it's definitely battles where
it's like really debatable though, where the fans is split
and they argue about it. But then it's something that's
like even though it's an opinionative sport, everybody kind of
like man, this guy one, you know, what I'm saying,

(44:36):
we ain't arguing about it. But yeah, like that's the
good thing about Battle round. Like even if you lose
nine lot of team, it's not judge. So they gonna
get on camera and say they want anyway, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That part of the parts the controversy th it's always
a decision, you know, it's debates versus Like afterwards they
gonna come out there like men they was, Hey, man,
I feel like I got it.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
You know what I'm saying. You know, I don't care
what they said, you know. So that's what I think.
That's what keeps the fans intrigued to though, because they
can always go for they guy. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Do you think the guy like it's always one guy
goes first. You stay the same positions, right, this is
the guy that go last have the advantage like a
baseball team, where you get to.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
It depends though sometimes a lot of times people do
think that. But depending on how the battle goes out,
if if if you can snatch that crowd early by
going first and get them on your side, and then
now you got now you got the other guy on defense.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Sometimes that works.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I thought the Black captain went for it.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I thought, how I felt like that.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I felt that was the strongest round. He came out strong.
He tried to put my back against me. I know
you're going to talk about this. Why do you think
that didn't work and you're still able to get that
off because like I.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Felt like, uh, in this battles, like in this battle,
though you saying it is, this is what they come
in to hear it. Though you know, sometimes it's like okay,
you can say that, but people don't that's what they
wanted to hear.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
So it's like, yeah, but this is the baut Like nah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
You know, because it's you don't get it anybody like, hey,
I know you're gonna talk about this.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, that's what we want to hear. We want to
hear him talk about it. So that's one of the thing.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Felt like he tried to stop it early, but it
was like I never really spoke on any of it
that he said that I was gonna speak on it
to vary the end. So by the end, he said
it so early in the battle that the fans even
probably forgot that. He like said that, you know what
I'm saying, because the first two rounds. I'm more so
attacking him and then doing different things. I'm not really
attacking none the things. Yeah, I'm going to the body
the whole fight before the come on, you know what

(46:22):
I'm saying, Like I'm attacking everything else before I go
to the gin.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So definitely, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Definitely, And it's a three round battle in the final
round that has everyone talking. You implied that Remy had
an affair with Easy.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Were you at any point concern about maybe you're creating
a narrative.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean not really, because even she said it.
I just grab what was out there in the blog.
You know, I've seen something that was in the blog
saying that, like me personally meant I don't think her
and Pepoo's are on any type of rocks.

Speaker 3 (46:48):

Speaker 4 (46:49):
I'm I'm going record saying I would think that they
have happily married family. But in battle rap, hey say
y'all having a problem. Oh, we gonna say y'all having
a problem. You did, know what I'm saying. That's how
it goes in this sport. You fall down, we're gonna
say you got knocked down. You did know what I'm saying,
Like you lose your chain, we gonna say your chain
got stolen from you. You know what I'm saying, Like,
this is what you do. You you grab something that's

(47:11):
on the surface and you dive a little deeper into it.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
You know what I'm saying. It's exploited a little bit.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
And I think Easy played into it because of some
of the things he said in his round that kind
of opened it up for what I said, to make
it sound even.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
More like validated. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
If he had counted it maybe differently, it probably would
have been a different reaction from the people too. So
you're like, she took it. She took it like a champ,
you know. Like I said, she's been in battle rap
before me. She was a battle rapper, you know what
I'm saying. I'm from battle Rap, you know. So she
knows what the sport is about, fight club. You know,
she know what this sport is about. She know that
near tives will be paining it, that anything that's out
there that's on the surface to be talked about, it's

(47:45):
gonna be talked about. So I think people was kind
of shocked, like, man, why she just standing there and
not saying this, like she's not in the battles. She
really can't say nothing, you know what I'm saying, Like
she's just the host.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
She has to sit there and this is her lead.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
It's like she can't be biased on either side. She
has to play the middle. So that was what made
the battle even great. So, like I said, no, I
didn't think about it creating like a narrative on them personally,
because like he said things about me that wasn't true.
He said a whole bunch of things that about me
that wasn't true. But it's like I'm just I got
to sit there and listen to it, you know what
I'm saying. The whole time, everything you can say, I
can't say nothing about it. I don't even get on

(48:19):
interviews afterwards disputing because I know you were just making
up whatever you have to get for your round, you
know what I'm saying, the same with me, It was
you know something was out there, y I poked at it.

Speaker 3 (48:27):

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I think I just did it so creatively and in
a way that nobody else thought that it would have
been done. Because he battled somebody before me, Battle Disaster
before me who poked at the same rumor, poked at
the same things from the blog, but he didn't do
it the same way I did it, you know, so
it didn't hit his hard, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
And it's up to like a million views now too exactly.
I say, you're big enough, rem because that'shere her league is,
you said another battle she had with successful.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
He battled hit Many Holler earlier in the year. That's
about two three million block hit Mayhaller. So remy, she
has a new league's probably about her second year doing this.
It was an all female you got a point in time.
Now she's integrated and got male battlers over there, and
it's starting to take off, you know what I'm saying.
Like she had me, she's had rum Knitty, she's had
easy hit Man, she's had some of the bigger male battlers,

(49:09):
and she's got the miss Hustles, the co tours, some
of the bigger women battlers have been over there.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
So like her league is growing.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
I think this battle even helped with that because now
you've got so many outside eyes. They hearing about battle,
but they hear about Chrown twenty three, Crown twenty three.
So now they clicking and her subscribers is going up.
You say that that battle hit a million views in
like five a's I'm saying five six days. That's that's
record time. And not many battles hit the millions that fast.
It takes months.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
You know.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Had a list of the biggest one we want, we
want to be number one, and like you know, five's
and the one that's at the top was up there
since January, you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
So yeah, definitely, man, I think it did what it
was supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
And she approached you afterwards jokingly you said, you caught
me a bitch again. You ain't getting your back in?

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, boys, for me, I'm like, man, you know, but
and I told her, I think now we got a
battle and suthing like I feel like I gotta get.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Rigged with it, but out to get no boars back.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
But uh yeah, like I say, she see a good
sport and she come from it. So uh and I
did get my back end, you know what I'm saying.
The back in came salutes Tormy for that, but uh yeah,
like and that's just her character. Like, man, we're good friends.

Speaker 3 (50:14):

Speaker 4 (50:15):
She's always you know what I mean. I'm good friends
with her man, good friends with her husband man pap.
Like it's always been good. I ain't had no no
ill uh intent with them after the battles in all
respect since then, you know what I'm saying. Like you say,
she came up jokingly spin some bars about it and
went on about her business, you know what I'm saying.
And we got a good working relationship. I should be
on Crome t Ony three again. You'll see me back
on her league, probably against somebody else.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
You know what I'm saying. She might not stand right
there next time, though, you know, it might move out
the way. That's about it, Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Real you jokingly said you might have the battle, but
you do battle women.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I do.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Like I was gonna ask that do man and women
battle that?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
You did want to share.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
I did want to share, you know, and and we do.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
It doesn't happen as much as male on male battles
and women on women battles, but it's starting to become
a thing again.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
And I think her league is spit is like it's.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
One of the more places where it can be spearheaded
even bigger because, like you say, she battles, so she
knows how to get the women to look their best,
and she she puts a lot into her league, you
know what I'm saying. Like we've seen her have stylist
out there to make the women look their best. She's
she's bringing them in there and afterwards they're they're doing
interviews on Joe Budden, They're doing interviews on the news
and different things of that nature. So she kind of

(51:20):
brings a bigger light to it. So yeah, I mean,
I would definitely battle her that if she wanted to
get in the ring with me. But as far as
me battling women, yeah, I batle Jazz the rapper, I
battle Casey j I battle Coffee Brown.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
So I battled a few women.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
You know, rappers too. I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Anybody, you know what I'm saying, These heads anybody, it's
a prefect, same like Na the prep It's the same,
but in the sense it is different because they how
do I explain it, Because it's it's not like it's
a physical sport.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
So the women's brain work just like a male brand.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
So it's not like, you know, you got any advantage
rapping wise, but it's definitely like just a different preparation
because certain things that I can say to a male
I can't say to a woman.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
That's gonna be, you know what I mean, the same?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
You know what I mean, like certain bars about you
didn't Like if I could tell a god like man,
you don't know about this, you don't know about that.
It's a woman, see, ain't supposed to know about it.
So some of the things that I have to attack
them on is like a different attack route, you know.
So yeah, it's definitely difficult. And I think it's difficult
for them too though, because the things that they can
attack other women and they can't attack us with.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
So it's definitely a challenge.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
But like I think those make for the best battles
when both are prepared, you know what I'm saying. You
get like a lot of classic men and women battles
for show.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
What do you think makes a good battle?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
That's a good question, all things considered, the crowd being participating,
you know, being in tune with the boars, being in
tune with what's going on, both battlers off the top
have to be prepared, no choke and no stumbling. They
have to come fully prepared, ready to wrap, ready to
put on the show. Uh what else would make the
battle just just over the top good? Like you said,

(52:54):
we got the crowd and you got both battlers participating. Well,
I think the stage depending on the battle, because sometime
a big stage for certain battles don't make sense, you know,
like you got three four thousand people in there, but
this battle needed a smaller room. So I think depending
on like the location of the battle makes the battle
as well, Like you're starting to see battle wrap going
back to more of a smaller room setting because it's

(53:17):
more gritty, more grimy, people are listening more in the
bigger stage is kind of more theatrical, you know what
I'm saying, where the bar is hitting. But performance is
key more than what you're saying. So I think location
that depends on it too. Like some battles need the
big stage. You get two big performers, got good vocal projection,
you might need that big stage. But some dudes who
are more aggressive, more witty with the pin more more
wordsmith that that that enclosed environment for the fans to

(53:40):
be there and makes better so battler's location and the
fans make make the make a great battle.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I just think it's addressing that you got to deliver
the bars loudly too, of course.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Like lose your voice. Can y'all hear me in the.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Just to getting comfortable doing that.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Man, man, man, And that was another reason man rest
in peace to pay. When I battle Sue Surf. That
was like one of my first big stage battles, Free
Sue Serf, Free the Way, one of my first bit
and I was losing my voice that battle. You know,
if people watch that battle by like the second round,
my voice is hoarse, you know what I'm saying. But
I'm still gotta I can't make no excuse that we
already on stage now it's litter. I gotta keep screaming
and yelling and trying. And I remember afterwards, past stage

(54:19):
pulling me to the side. I man, you know, like
like make sure people on your side are not really smoking,
like that smoke probably affecting you, and you know, drink
some tea beforehand, you know what I'm saying, Like you know,
like try to get you like a full nice arrest,
you know, before them battles because your voice all you got,
Like you don't lose your voice in battle rap, you know,
you lose the battle. You know what I'm saying this,
You gotta be able to project, especially in these big stages.
So yeah, like that that was something to adjust too

(54:40):
early because a lot of people can't rock those big stages.
Like it's only like a handful of battle rappers who
are good on the big stage, like with everybody in
the building with all when you got to make sure
the person from the front of the stage all the
way to the back can react the same way as
the people on the stage and make sure that line
hits them like it's not too many. And it takes
your vocal projection, It takes the way that you say it,

(55:00):
the way you're delivering it, knowing how to walk them
into a line like all of that is it takes
a skill in itself, you know what I mean. So yeah,
that's that was a challenge for me at first. But
you know I'm here to say, yeah, I became like
one of the top dogs on that big stage.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Before you start a battle do you read you kind
of read the crowd? Yeah, you know who's on whose side.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, for sure. When you're on that road, you're definitely
looking in there.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Like I say, the road games is the toughest because
you pretty much know nobody in there for you, but
you looking for that one person that's like yo, geet
you you the man you now you're wrapping to him
or nothing, like come on, go like get the person
next to you the cheer. Now we got everybody, you know,
it's like the waves, you know what I'm saying, You
got you get one person that started that.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
It's a trickle effects. So you know, like yeah, on
that road you kind of do that.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
But like when you at home, you kind of know,
like a home game is a little easier because you
know the people there for you, so like you're gonna
feed off that energy a little bit more, you know
what I'm saying. But definitely, man, you're in that crowd.
It's the goal is to just get somebody to get
the cheering going. And then once you get that energy,
like yeah, they're gonna ride you all the way.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I man has batter rep been like a great tool
in keeping your composure and patience because you know you
got someone another grown man yelling and spinning your face,
a breath and you just have to just stand in
and take it.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Man. That's that's I'm tell you this right now. We
hate doing that. Like it in life.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
It has helped you a composure, but still even to
this day, you be uple to like, bro, why do
I got to sit here and less.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Somebody like it? Gotta be another way to get this money?
You know what?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I sit in again, yell dad here, call me all
these things, but thirty minus what I said earlier, it's
old topsic, good drained. But it do help with that though,
Like you know, you learn to just block out anything,
you know what I'm saying, Like, especially in the entertainment,
you gotta know that like even the biggest celebrities, Man,
they make a post and in the comments ninety percent

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of them is trolls, people saying the most negative.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Stuff about them.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
They post their kids and people saying negative stuff about them.
So I think Battle Wrapt kind of prepares you for
that where it's like, man, I I don't even look
into the comments.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I don't. I don't never read YouTube comment after a battle.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
You know what I'm saying, Really many as people that's
probably saying I'm doing good as a thousand people in
there just clowning you.

Speaker 3 (57:07):

Speaker 4 (57:07):
So you just learned to just had that tough skin,
go out there later, performance on the line, and go
to the next one.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
You know what I'm saying. You don't really get too
involved in what the people saying.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
It has to be great for like real life instances
like if you get into an argument on the street
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah, man, you know this is nothing you talked about. Man,
I already heard the worst you can say on the street,
gone gonna affect me at all?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Right, you learn not to take things personally.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
It was definitely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Let's go back a little bit to where you're from
your origins, Like you're from Compton, California.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
California, Man, Compton, California, the west side of Compton. Grew
up on a matha street, you know what I mean,
it's a I'll say the area is netty blocks, so
everybody know that, you know what I'm saying. As far
as the gang area. But I went to call with elementary,
Walton Middle School, Compton High School sees the child is continuation.
You know, even did a little bit of community day.
You know, probation school out there. So I've been pretty

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much every school in Compton that was on my side
of town. You know what I'm saying. I went to
all of them. Uh play sports and conftent, you know,
did everything man play for one of the local gyms,
Double Rock Gym played basketball over there, you know. So
like I'm really like, uh, you know somebody that's from
there for real, not made up, not a not a gimmick, now,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
You know, because I was so good to La Freddy,
He's like La. People always let you know that they're
really from La.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because because you kind
of got to, because you get a lot of people
that you know, that that portray these areas and these
images and you know, just to make money or to
exploit these backgrounds and things like that. And us we
we we take pride in that because we're trying to
get out of that, Like we don't even want to
portray these images like you be a millionaire and you're
trying to show us that you're gainst it. We're trying
to not be gainst You know what I'm saying that

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that's not what we won't but we just knowing that
the life that we came around, we've seen all of
that we was around it. So you know, it's a blessing.
Like you said, I got so many friends that didn't
get a chance to make it past the age of eighteen,
or you know what I'm saying, some ain't make it
past fourteen. You know, So like to be here now
at the age I am and be able to steal,
you know, be just breathing, you know, and free, you know,
that's a blessing. So for me, like, yeah, man, coming

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from content, it's so that's why it's so much talent
in that small area. People act like you know, you've
heard about it all over the world, But this is
a you can draw through the whole city of Compton
in twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
You know what I'm saying. You be done. You go
this way, that way, this way that way. You out
of there. You know what I'm saying. You gones Like
it's not a huge city, you know, it's not.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
It's not heavily populated like something like like Los Angeles
is a big city like Compton is in La County,
but very small. So a lot of us, you know,
just are talent was was able to get us there.
Shut off the Kendrick Lamore's and the you know, the
Venus and Serena.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Williams, you know the people that that made away from
out of no Way.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
You know what I'm saying, Like it and it expired
more people like myself and the younger generation to show
what they can do.

Speaker 3 (59:42):

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Growing up, Like what music were you tapped into?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
I listened to all music though, Like I was a
West Coast fan. Don't get it twisted. I'm I'm off
the snoops, I'm off the parks, I'm off I'm off
all of that.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
But like I listened to a lot.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Man, I was I'm listening to Scar Phase, I'm listening
to said Camera and I'm.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Listening like I just was in to Bars. I was
just into real rap. Like I'm so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
I was listening to No Limits Soldiers when they came out.
It was hot to meet the hot boys. Of course,
I was raised off the hot boys. My first CD
I bought physically was Little Wayne Block is Hot. You
know what I'm saying, Like BG, you know what I mean,
one of my favorite rappers, know I mean from Glad
he's out like so like, yeah, I was listening everything.
I'm not one of them dudes to be like, man,
I was only listening to, you know what I'm saying,
the West Coastline, listening everybody, all reasons, every region I

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was listening to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
But it worked out for you because you went to
Gramland State right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
And went to Gramlin State. Man. I did a year
there at Gramlind State, which was dope for me. Man,
you know what I mean. That was one of the
dopest experience.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
That's where I really got introduced to a lot of
other South music too, Like you know, like we listening
to they they putting me onto all the bo Cy
and Webby at that time. You know when I went there,
you know what I'm saying, So I'm coming back to
the crib like yeah man, we all yeah, Man, play
this right here, you know what I'm saying, Like you
feel me? So that that also, like you said, it
helped me because I kind of was already in tune
with a lot of Southern music, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
So when did like battle rap come attracted to you?
Was like with the DVD era or.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, the dB I was watching Red dollars, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
He was one of the dudes that out that I
watched do that, you know what I mean at a
young age, might just seeing somebody like that being young
and chewing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Dudes up, you know what I mean, Like, oh, you
know where needed, but like that was fire to me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Like you know what I'm saying, Like that whole Philly
rap scene, uh, the New York rap scene with the
t rexes and the murder moves, you know, like I
used to watch that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I even watch Fight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Club though, Like I'm talking to Sirius Jones, Jim Battles.
I was watching that old solo on there and the
Remy and Lady.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Look.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I watched all those battles, you know. So I just
was in tune with battle rap as a youngster, Like
I think it was always dope to me. Was was
someone was always into When.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Did you realize that you had the skill to get
into it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I used to battle like in the hood with my homies,
but just like only my people to know, you know
what I'm saying, Like my guy Elata Mayor, he would
be battling like like people to know. I hear battle
people at school it'd be like chewing dudes up, like
going crazy me. It was something I just play with
a little bit, you know. So I never really like
took battling serious. I'll say, like twenty fourteen or something.

(01:01:57):
I just had an opportunity to like do like a
battle on the street somewhere. They like, I'll give one
hundred dollars you battle some dude like on some freestyle stuff.
We just went up there did it, and then I'm like,
all right, then, my god KP, like which is with me?
With the ride now offered me a chance to do
another battle, like a real battle, like it was gonna
be recorded on camera.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
It was just something we showed up to do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
I wasn't even taking it serious, but people actually liked
it and took a liking from it, and I ended
up like like moving on like with it, getting getting
seen by Nerves and coming to New York and you know,
so forth and so on with that. Like then I
just it took off from there. So I say, like
it's twenty twenty three. My first major battle was twenty seventeen,
so broout about five six years in and done did

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more than probably people who've been doing this twenty thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
You know what I'm saying, legend killer right, Yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
I'm like the fastest growthing this though, Like you know,
I have the fastest growthing this. I battled loaded Lux
Murder movie. People don't even been in here twenty thirty years.
Don't even got them on their resume. You know, those
two dudes, like I just said, I watched growing up.
You know, they've been doing this so many years. I
battled all those guys. I won three Champion of the Years,
which is the highest accolades you can get as far
as like United States Battle Wrap.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
I won three.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
It's only been six that've been given out. And in
the other years I was in the top five or something,
you know what I'm saying. So I've done that. I'm
talking about main event after main event. I've brung back
battle Rap to the West Coast on a higher level,
you know, like soet Outh Disaster rumnitty than he Mars Daylight.
But I brung it back to where people kind of
respected it and looked at it like for what the
West was, because we kind of had a backpack looking

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culture before I came in, and I gave it more
of that substance to street feel that people was missing, Like, Okay,
this is an authentic West Coast dude wrapping West Coast stuff,
but he's able to keep up with the lyricism of
the dudes on the East, and he's able to mirror
and relate to the people on the Midwest and the South.
So I think I definitely like made so many headways
in this to where it's like in this short period

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of time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Yeah, Like it's a lot of people that like tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I'm the best of all time or Mount Rushmore, you know,
and that mean a lot because, like you say, it's
dudes who've been doing it so long it don't even
get through Maccola, so six years then to make this headway, man,
you know, it's definitely dope for me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Journey, what does get? You got these Mount Rushmore look
like you can cool yourself too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
If I put myself on there, not all four spots,
not I was gonna say it's me, but honestly, if
I put myself on there, it'll be myself. Like I
always say, I don't be wanting to be myself. Put
myself because I feel like I got my own land.
You know what I'm saying, what I did in the
sixth month man over here, Yeah, I got the the

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Gatti rushmore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I'm over here by myself boom, but my four will
be hit man holler off impacting views alone, Like I'm
gonna say, off views alone, Like I don't have to
be skill set or nothing. He's literally got some of
the most views off every platform. You know what I'm saying,
He's done everything in this Uh, we're talking about punching
and just being somebody who punched your head off and

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and and and reavited and re you know re you know,
restructured the way battle rap is done today. Rum Nitty
rum Nitty changed the way battle rap is today. Like
everybody that's coming up punching and is trying to punch
the way rum Nitty punches. You know what I mean,
They set up their bars the way he set up
his bars. Uh. If we're talking impact the loan, they
will probab to be soou serf, you know what I'm saying.
Like outside the battle rap, he's one of the most

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influential battle rappers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
He his music has even made here waves. You know,
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
So he's got the impact of probably more than anybody
in the culture. You know what I'm saying, Like people
all over the world know who he is through his
music and his battling. And then I would say, tay Rock.
You know what I'm saying as far as like consistency,
like being like number one on Smack for all them years,
being able to main event and he's still giving shots
to this day, like and he don't take a break,

(01:05:28):
Like he's probably had more battles than me this year
and he's been doing it longer than me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
You know what I'm saying. I would say those four.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Right there, impact wise, mount rushmore wise, like everything wise,
it would be those dudes. You know what I'm saying,
Like for this generation. You know, if you go older,
of course you can go to Loop you know. You
know what I mean, Lux Move, Disaster, AVERB. You know
what I'm saying, Like that'll be the top four all time,
you know what I mean. But for impact and everything
that it is, it got to be It's definitely got
to be run. It gotta be hit Man, gotta be Rock,
gotta be Serf.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Word it up and you got your own music. We
mentioned earlier out of nowhere to be happy with the
response of that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Man, definitely happy with the response to that. Man, like
a lot of people rocking with the songs on there. Man,
rocking with the songs on there. Get a lot of
play from it out here, man, like you go to
these local spots, people playing it in the streets, you know.
So I'm definitely happy with it. I'm working on the
album right now, finish drop called a Lumigatti. Got a
lot of production on there from my guy j Nouri. Man, sorry,

(01:06:22):
J Nouri is all over that. God got Larry making
all the hits on there as well. THHX also got
some joints on there. Man, I got some dope features
on there, man from p Z the RJ got so
surf on there, got being no on there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
We got a lot lot of dope records on there.
So that's really what I'm focusing on right now, just
getting that roll out for that album to let people know, like,
you know, like I'm doing this music.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I just dropped the video letter to the block. You
know what I'm saying. That's going crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
A lot of people being real receptive to the video
and the message of the song that's on the album.
So that's really what I've been on man in his
bag of just trying to like turn them into the music,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like let him see that.
Like literally, you know y'all tuning in right now, so
let me show you what else I already do. You
know what I'm saying, Like I said, I didn't already
ran through the battle Rap game, so it's like it's

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overdue to kind of like get this music off the
ground right now for.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Out of nowhere. You had a line too that stood
out to me. You said you only regret is that
you didn't meet Nipsey Man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Man, that's a fact, Like uh, and I had opportunities too,
So like I only could regret that on myself. Shut
out my guy Jay Rocker was one of his bodyguards,
you know what I'm saying, one of his bodyguard.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
They had a show.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I want to believe it was like every Side or
something and it was with t I or it was
something going on. He entered he like invited me, like yo,
Nip because I had music I was playing back then.
I gave rock one of my stuff, like man, play this,
and he's like, man, nip mess with that song. Like
now I'm saying, yeah, I mean rock with that record,
you feel me, And I didn't. I'm talking about I've
been grinding so long that I remember going to the
Chris Saus store out and ran into Black Sam and
drop CDs off things of that nature, and then we

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got mutual partishs like I know, cast that's out of
the neighborhood where Nipsey is from, and like he likewise,
you know, cast out of the neighborhood Whe'm from.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
We just didn't get a.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
Chance to you know, do that like yo, my name
is what my name is, and get that kind of bond.
So that's one of my biggest regrets because he I come,
you know what I'm saying, and he definitely like changed
the game for West Coast Rap, changed the game for
like young street dudes that's trying to like better they self.
I think his message was clear on that, like, you know,
more so than the music, just you know, just trying

(01:08:19):
to like educate yourself. You know, he did a lot
of educating you know, and you know, and uh in
more ways than just the music. But I think the
music was the Spearhead because if you see somebody that
looked just like you, the big change, you know, the braids,
that look like a typical street la dude, but he's
talking something that you need to hear. You're more receptive
to the to the information to somebody that don't look
nothing like you trying to tell it to you, you

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know what I'm saying. So his impact is still gonna
live on, you know, I mean, through through the music,
through the streets. So yeah, that was probably one of
my biggest uh, like I say issues like man, I know,
like you know because even the letter to the blocks,
everybody in the comments like, oh my god, I love
to hear nipancy on that, you know what I'm saying,
So like salutes salute to the people that you know
that hear the music and it reminds them of bro,
you know what I mean. I feel like I down

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my own sound, my own style, but I definitely respect,
you know what I mean, the to the utmost. So
his music did play a part in my career as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
And before the end of the year we got another
battle lined up, right Gods the Arena nine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, definitely got some more going
up man in New york'sid Alex Luthor. You know what
I'm saying. They got a league called a Battle. That's
how I likes that in like upstate New York, they
do a lot of events up there. I got a
battle coming up in Chicago too, where it's a lot
of California catch flying to Chicago to do a Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Versus LA event.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
I'm doing a one round of there, but a lot
of the other local California guys that's on this card
that they're gonna put on. Man, we're going against a
lot of the local Chicago talent, you know, just something
to kind of just keep you know, try to keep
it fresh man, because you get a lot of the
same themed battles all the time, the big names versus
the big name. But it's a lot of dudes that's
putting in work, that's on these local scenes that need
these opportunities. So I try to do my best to

(01:09:52):
go to these local leagues shit a light on the league,
and then that also helps bring light to the undercore.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
You know. That's kind of like what I do in
this you know, I just love them rod Man over there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Mean more, though it do mean more on the road
and battle rap is just like any other sport, Like
you go to somebody house and they heckling. They cheering
against you is the crowd, and then when it's over,
they're like, nah, he to go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
He came over here and did that? You know, that's
in the garden most definitely in the guarden.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I would like to see a geeche guy at a
Ward three three.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
We want that though, because I feel like everybody felt
like I got the second. Everybody feel like he got
the first, and the Ward and Gotty the Boxers had
a trilogy, you know what I'm saying, Me Gotty and
Mickey Ward. So you never know, man, you might see
me World one more time. You know what I'm saying,
You might see it one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Is a victory more important if it's a three oh
or two to one too. You're still satisfied with the
two to one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Yeah, were satisfied with the two one, but the three
to zero is to like, yeah, like, yeah, you give
me that three oh?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Like anymore, Yeah, I thirtied you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
It's harder to say I thirty you that I two
want you, you know, what I'm saying, like I'm thirty man,
you know, so you know thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Yeah, we don't want those splits. We want you nanimous man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Are you impressed by yourself with some of the bars
that you come up with?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
You give us some favorites, my favorite ones? You got
them away camp.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I just said the other day in Canada, I said, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
No, he said dreams, dreams.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I came from nothing. That was hard. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Literally, I literally came from nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
You know what I'm saying. That was one of mines.
You know what I'm saying, uh out of the voicemail board.
You know what I'm saying against serve a lot of
people like that when the bad news when I just said,
they only.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Had bad reception.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
No service was like the one the antwine was the
whole flips you know, so's crazy like a lot of that, man.
You know what I'm saying When I battle surf the
wave length, you know what I'm saying, the casket. Sorry,
So a lot of those ones for show for show,
like you know I got I got a lot though, Yeah,
I got a lot of quotables out there in Battle show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
The recent one I think you said, Uh it was
the French tips line.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, so much residue under my fingernails. It
looked like French tips, Like I said that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
You know what I'm saying, man, Like I could go
all day, man, you know what I'm saying. We go there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
There was another one. It was a Marvel set up.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
With yeah, man at the doctor strange, you know what
I'm come on, man, that's what I do, beat up man. Yeah.
And it's crazy because I'm really I can remember them
a little bit. But usually when I get off the stage,
like I'm one of the battle upers, like I can
go blank, like I've been so like cramming it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Of let it all out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
So it's like you walking to me after the battle, like, yo,
what was that line? I'll be like, man, you know
what I'm saying, Like I don't know being later on
that night and something started coming back to me, but
like yeah, definitely man, Like I'm blessed to say I'm
one of the batt robbers that do got a lot
of quotables do I got a lot of memorable rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
I was known for having monumental third rounds.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
That's what made this last battle so monumental because I
came in the game with known as people would always say,
like you already going down one, oh, because you gonna
win the third. That was kind of my theme of
coming up, like I would always win the third round
no matter what, Like the stuff I was saying, the
third would would kind of like be the best thing
seeing in the battle.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
So yeah, man, most definitely, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Was that the strategy to make sure you have a
strong first round, you you're gonna lose around losing a second.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Lose second, and yeah, you got what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Yeah, but then now I think even the seconds though,
a lot of people try to win those second rounds. Now,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, like some
people those first rounds, you know, you get the crowd hype,
but then you can kind of take them back when
that second change the way the battle going. So but like, yeah,
the most important rounds to most people is that first
and that third is either how you started and how
you finish it and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
But do you go back and watch the old videos
or the old battles just to like game tape?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Yeah, ok, yeah, Like I don't really watch a lot
of other battlers. But when I go back and watch myself,
like I will go see like where I can improve
at see what kind of line did they receive better
than others? You know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, let
me do more of this unless it is you know,
like I study my own game tapes a lot of times,
Like I don't really go back and watch too much
other battlers battles and stuff like that, but like, yeah,
definitely when it's time for another battle, I kind of

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go back and watch my old tapes, like, Okay, this
this the bag they want me in, so let me
make surem it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
No one, do you remember any tough points lines that
you received?

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Yeah, man, man, I don't heard so many, man, like
for real, for real?

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Uh what was it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Niitty said something like you know what I'm saying, you
should have? Uh, you should have?

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
He said, he should have went back to the old
bab he said. He I can't even think of the line.
I don't want to butcher it. But uh he he
had a he had a cold boar. You know what
I'm saying, uh about me with the tree or something
like uh like you know, I mean a big bully, racist,
biased jazz.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
You should have found the bigger tree or something like
that was cold.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
I had a bar when I first came up with
young Griz. You know what I'm saying by my name
being Geechee Geechee Gotti. You know what I'm saying a
lot of people know, like the Geechee is a you know,
that's that's a that's a whole culture of people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
You know what I mean? That represent that. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
So he had a line referring to that like he
gonna be six feet deep, but his mind on his
mother land. You know what I'm saying, Like and you
know what I mean, Like the people that know that,
like that line hit. So y'all don't heard some of
the coldest stuff in that ring against me? For chuff shure?

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Have you ever bombed?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Like choked? Only one time? Man on a reel? One
time and it was against Danny Myers. I was on
a hat.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
It was a one round battle and I knew I
was gonna choke too. It was like right before the battle.
Why I say I don't smoke or drink no more, man,
because right before the battle and somebody passed me a
blunt to hit it, and I'm just I hit the blunt.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
As soon as I hit it, I forgot everything. As
soon as I forgot everything, they like to the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Stage, Geechee got I'm like, what the hold on? Ten
minutes son and I was, I'm walking to the stage.
I'm trying to remember it. I'm trying to remember it,
so I'm wrapping it in my head and everything and
I and as soon as it like they pulling my name,
I'm getting to like the middle of where I got
in my head, Like I'm wrapping it in my head,
and i don't remember like the middle of it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I'm like, oh ship.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
So as I'm rapping it, I feel it coming up,
like oh man, like this is that part that I
couldn't even remember.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
As I was walking to the stage.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
And if you watch the battle, I say it as
soon as I was choked, I'm like, man, dang, right
when it was cracking, like I had him like you
know what I'm saying, like I'm bombing on Danny the
whole battle and then right there, I but then I
got it back and I ended strong, but like, yeah,
that was something like you know, that's why I need
a three round with Danny Man I got I gotta
I gotta make that up to him, you know, the
boar goy, I gotta get three.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
But that's the only battle of my career that I
choked in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Yeah, before we get out of here, what do you
consider your top three victories?

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Mm, that's a good one. Okay, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
One of course, loaded Lux loaded Lux Man. Uh pioneered
the game. It was in La hosted by Drake all
my people's there was a big battle, monumental, you know
what I'm saying. That was a huge win, probably one
of my hugest wins. Easy to block captain his latest one.
I feel like for everything that it did for my career,

(01:16:41):
all the viral and is everything talked about it, the
match up, what.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
It meant, how big that was, you know what I'm saying.
And Uh and probably in the same breath of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
It, Easy was the New Jersey Turk Battle because at
that time, it was the first event on Caffeine.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
It was the headline. It was full of the face
of the new era. It meant a lot. It was
a lot of steaks on that one. So yeah, those
three probably was like be the biggest for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
So the biggest stays.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Yeah, come on, Yeah, when the lights is on, I
gotta show up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
You know what I'm saying. I got to show up
and the light when the pressure is on for so
for so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Thank you for showing up for us.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Many appreciate you man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
You man, big geech, big geech, you gotti in the building. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Shout out to those studio you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Word up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
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