REPLAY: Coco Jones

ORIGINALLY RELEASED JANUARY 25TH, 2023

Joining Tank and J this week on The R&B Money Podcast is the phenomenally gifted Coco Jones. Coco will discuss going from running drills with pops on the Tennessee soil to performing live at The Soul Train Awards (mic on). They will converse about music education, humble beginnings auditioning, sneaking out the house and the first time somebody recognized her abilities. From Bible to Broadway, Enjoy the insanely talented Coco Jones on The R&B Money Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B money.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks take meligized. We are the authority on all things
R and B. Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am Tank Downtown and this is the R and
B Whey Podcast, the authority on all things on all
things R and B. Who's the day in the building?
Uh we we we talk about new addition going from
boys to men. This young lady has gone from young

(00:39):
lady to grown woman right before our very eyes. She
is gifted, she is beautiful, and she is none other
than Miss Cocoon.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You haka did you rehearse that?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
That was a good I just it's just the Lord,
the way, the way.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It is for me being a rapper. Before we get started,
Tequila to you. You went crazy on the Train awards.
Thank you, said Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
The niggas mikes be off whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh this is delightful.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's it's it's support of life that you know most
privy to, so to die you.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
All, it is good. Yeah, because normally tequila comes with
the side of burn, but this is good.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
This comes with a sneaker. Here comes with that Coco,
you went so crazy on the Soul Train Awards. And
I hate to start right here because we're going to
go back to the beginning, right, But you were going
so crazy, and I actual you didn't get to see
the show because I was doing so much running around

(02:04):
and I sat and watched the show on TV and
you started singing, and I was like, that's singing. Yeah,
that's R and B music. No, that's how you delivered
Mike on. Okay, you're giving them face fit period. You
know what I'm saying. You drip everything. You're giving them

(02:27):
the whole thing that.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
You're talking about.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
My hair.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
The hair was late.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I mean, write that down so you know that next
the hair was laid dripped because then I.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Mean I just wanted to say drip from head to talk. Oh, okay,
that's fine. Wanted to be.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Lord Jesus Lord.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Her last supper was out there.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
You can say I was eating like it was the
last supper.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
You know, like you you wrap too, You can say that.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Okay, do you. I'm not even going to speak on
that because the girls who really be rapping really be rapping.
But sometimes I do surprise myself with a little bar
but I just don't see nobody.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I surprised myself too in my earlier days everything Hurricane
I was. I started, I was a terror in the hood?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Was it really empty?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Hurricane?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Hurricane in the hood? I battled you.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Know about you?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Sorry, mister, it bothered me. And and and something you
said that was really dope before we started, like you know,
you hearing you sing and you getting into that moment
and delivering, and then the announcer the commercial comes up
and starts talking while you're singing.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And I get it, you know, I guess in terms
of the format of the show or whatever they have
to do to promote and all these cool things.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
But that's okay, Well I look at it like this
be right.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's why I said respect, but at the same time
as a fan.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Angered and when somebody getting busy, like the other young
FELLAQ getting get busy, y'all, we're going to go to
fucking commercial.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, guys, First of all, it's a whole show where
they got to fit a whole show into the lineup.
Cut something else, not the singing what they supposed to cut.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Figured it out, I don't edit, and and then we
got to figure out Okay, if there is a commercial,
then let's set aside. Let's find a moment to where
that can be because it's going to be re aired, right,
so let's find a moment for that full performance to
be televised.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
That's a performance is available for people to watch. It's
just not on the entire show. And they had already
told me that before I even did my performance. But
here's why I said humble beginnings, because a year ago
I was watching it mad as hell? Why am I
not on it? So now I'm there, and then I'm
gonna be mad that they cut my performance a little bit. No,

(05:20):
I know, it's just a start.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
You are doing it the right way. We're gonna be
angry for you.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I'm gonna cussing my fuck. That's how I live my life.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Because we are so Oh you won't havelf my my performance.
You're not gonna get to full me. Then I'm not
I'm not coming.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I haven't screaming on one day.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Maybe one day's coming.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I just got here, okay. I'm just happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Here, you are here, You're gonna be here, and we
want you.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
We just.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
We are celebrating. We are in the space of motivating
and encouraging. Those kinds of moments, those are the moments
that are going to continue to inspire the next generation
as you are the new generation of R and B,
but the next the kids coming. You know what I'm saying.
When I was a kid seven years old, he already

(06:13):
had a record deal. But anyway, when I was a
kid seven, eight, nine years old watching amazing performers on television,
you know what I mean, those are the things that
inspired me and so that, you know, for me, your
entire performance I felt, you know, was necessary in that,
but I digress. It upset us and we'll move Thank you. Yeah,

(06:40):
I got some train. Okay, we'll get to that.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
Get we know about go uh let go go go.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Man. You've referred to you as this if you tie
any fox right, Okay, okay, podcast, Let's go back to,
as you say, humble beginnings, this very beginning, Like when
was the first time somebody said, oh, that baby right

(07:18):
there got it? Or that you saw and felt that
moment happening.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
He was like, oh shit, that's so funny that you
asked that. The first time somebody noticed that I could
really sing? I don't even think I was two years old.
So basically, my mom had her friend over and her
friend was a violinist and they were talking and I
was just watching Barney. Literally they're talking and the lady's like,
hold on, I'm sorry, and she just stopped talking. My

(07:48):
mom's like, what what, She's like, your kid, they're singing
everything back in perfect pitch. Your child has a perfect ear.
And my mom was like, okay, like period, when I
tell you from then on, I literally have never stopped
making sounds, singing, humming, like in all the baby videos.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
It's all I'm doing at all time.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Literally, it's crazy like I'm always making some sort of music.
And that was the first time it was noticed. The
first time I felt it was like I would come
from athletes. My dad played professional football, so I know
what it's like when you like score and everyone reacts
to the score.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
It feels like you ate that. You know what I'm saying.
You feel that momentum, you feel that.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Energy in the house with Mike Jones, like niggas you're
just running around like.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
But he's not the rapper one got the name my Jones. Okay,
like he's not that.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
One, but yeah, we'd be outside doing drills in the summer.
I'm like, sir, I'm in third grade. I don't know
what this has to do with much, but okay, here
we go outside with like. But I was also very competitive,
like I'd be the one on flag football, like dodging
all types of dudes and then like I'd go and
score and then I like and they'd be like, well

(09:01):
you don't hold her. I'd be like, that's mean period.
Like I was always so competitive, so I knew that
feeling of like doing something good and seeing the reaction.
And I remember I had done like this little Broadway
type show with my school like young kids, and I
had a little solo and I remember seeing the reactions
and I was like, this is the same reaction as
when I score. I was like, what is this is

(09:21):
who it's giving? Everyone's cheering, so I'm like, what does
this mean? I say? That was like the first time
that I really noticed it really young though. All this
stuff was really young. And you're from the South, right,
I'm from Tennessee. So was it country at first?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
For you?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Was it country music or no?

Speaker 5 (09:36):
You know what's funny? It was definitely gospel.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
My mom was like, you are going to serve the
Lord with this voice of yours. I was like, okay,
She's like Courtney, you will serve the Lord with this voice.
That's my mom. And I was like, okay, I'm nine,
so like whatever you want to do, that's what we're
gonna do. Like what am I gonna object? So my
mom was trying to get me in all these gospel
lanes and it just wasn't happening. It wasn't panning out
like I was supposed to join the one Christian group

(10:00):
like Pure n RG.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Hope you guys are in a group right now. If
your I'm so sorry. I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
If you are.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's just like wouldn't work, Like the doors would just
keep closing, and the doors that.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Would openly wanted to pose.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
I didn't want to. You can Christ, you can pose.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Don't even do that. What the post for christis, it's
like this, you not need to cross. I don't think
that's going to work. It's heart.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
He knows you didn't work.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Now it worked.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
It didn't work for me.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
What do you think it was?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think it was just like God had a different
plan for how I'm going to impact you know, because
you can be in the gospel category and be a light,
and you can be in the secular music and be
a light. It's about your actions. It's not about like
what job you do. You can be a postman and
be a like you know what I'm saying. It's about
what you're caring, what you're bringing to the world, what

(10:58):
you're what you're offering, what you're talking about. So it
just wouldn't pan out like that. But the doors that
would open would be like like kids Bop or like
a commercial about like broccoli cereal, and I'd be like,
I do it, and it would happen.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
And that's just kind of how it panned out.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
And you're doing this from Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yes, I would audition and they'd have like cattle calls
and things like that, and I would do music there
like as much as they could offer me. I mean,
but I was also just trying to figure it out.
Like my mom made this ghetto little EP on her computer,
and I was like talking about basketball and singing about
like sleepovers and stuff. But you know what was really
dope was I would do all these live performances like.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
You want to pause there, I want to.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Hear the sleepovers. I don't know what the lyrics.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Were, you know what the basketball fans and they oh,
come over, and then it starts it's sleep over. You
know what, stop playing with me because it would be
giving soul. One this one about basketball, it was like, uh,
it was like.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Jump ball, hey kid, getting it to me.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Watch me work, I'm jumping out the gym.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
It was fire. It was fire.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
And then I had this other one about like doing Chad.
Excuse me, don't play with me because I always.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Was giving soul. Now sound yes, and they had like
a cute look.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
It was like funky like anyway, was like all these
like older musician musician guys like that's.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
All I do.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
They didn't know hip hop and.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
They always put the old niggas.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
It's just so funny that that always happens. It really
did give that. Like this guy that was a judge
at a talent competition that I won, he was like,
I'll work with you for free until until whenever he
saw the talent, he saw the talent, so it would
be him and like he'd be like Courtney, you ready,
I'd be like, here we go, ride jump out.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
I felt like I was personally eating.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Your Ah, wait, why is it giving that?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay? I still don't like it.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Don't because if you listen to it. You'd be like, Okay,
this kind of has a little slip. I'll send it
to you.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'll find I'm gonna find it. They always act like
they got everyone.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
My mom has every song of E.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
This is my camera right here, Mama Jones, Mama Jones,
can you send this jump off?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Jum? Is that what it's called?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I don't know what we're gonna call it? Jump off?
It's the basketball song. We need to hear the basket.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
He knows the basketball song. My mom would also help
me write. I'd be like, thanks, girl, but you want
to know song crazy When I was also a rapper
because I used to sing rap as well.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
My brother, my older brother, would write all my raps.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Oh wowbot the sleepover.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Different ones. Okay, I'm trying trying to play.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'm trying to put and two together. All that's all
I'm trying to do.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
There were other songs.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
It was what I was going through with my life,
not doing chores, my best friend moving away, basketball sleepovers.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I mean, I don't know that's but.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
I'm actually with it what it is supposed to be.
There at that.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Age, you were writing your life, which is because that's
what we preached right, you were literally like writing the
very nuances and it sounds funny, but the simplest thing
those are hit records. Okay, sleepover record right now, my
son will sing the mess out of a sleepover record.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
But we need those records again, We actually do. Like
when we had Ray Parker Jr. On here and he
talked about writing Missed the Telephone Man for a new edition,
like obviously you don't even need a telephone man no
more really, but in that when he wrote that record,
when I was a kid and I heard that song,
it connected to me.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
So we actually do need that again.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
We need younger artists, especially you're you know, preteen or teenage.
You should be singing about that. You shouldn't be singing
about you know, should not be a club in your song.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, but you know they do. They They had kid
clubs when I was young.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
You never you couldn't go side.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I went to a kid club. You went outside, you
couldn't go Oh, he was religious. They had in a
bay called black Saturday.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Okay, Okayne was not giving Your manager, she's from the bank.
Manager should tell you about black interesting yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, But back to Coco Jones writing songs about basketball.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Oh my god, y'all trying to play me in hiss.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
You play basketball?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I did play for a really long time, and then
when I started singing, I was missing practice and stuff
and I couldn't balance them both, and I just chose singing, all.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right, So we went to missing practic this is and
so apparently at some point things started getting crazy. Yeah,
when was that? What time period was that where you
just felt like there was an influx of demand for
what your gifts were?

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Around twelve. Around twelve is when I did Next Big Thing,
which is like American Idol, Disney's version of that. Actually,
Colleen Holly were on it too, but I did that.
And then once you kind of become one of the
people that they go to, they send you out to
a lot of things. So I was on tours, I
was performing, doing our shows. Yes, I was doing shows,

(16:41):
and then I would be auditioning at the same time
for roles. My acting was real, real crusty at that time.
They say wasn't getting a lot, but I was getting
better and better with time, and I just would always
be in LA and every summer I'd be like, all right, y'all,
I'm gonna go be Hanna Montana. I'll se y'all. I
don't know when I'm gona se y'all again, but you know,
you can definitely come to show whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
It was flexing too, I was.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
I was just I knew I was going that way.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
I was like, is this for me?

Speaker 6 (17:06):
I don't know about job so twelve years old, you
get your ears, you get you get your you get
your Mickey Mouth's ears.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean that's when I was really really working with
Disney Channel a lot. And I mean that's like the
perfect place to be at the time, you know, because
you want to be doing me personally. My mom is
not a stage mom. My mom was like, if you're
not trying to work, I'm going home. I'm tired. So
I was always the one like, Okay, what can I
do more of? Like I was hungry for it this

(17:36):
whole time, you know. So for me, it was like
the perfect scenario, like I'm doing these guest stars and
then I get this movie and it felt like a
dream to me, Like it was just like a dream.
Like I would go to the park and I sing
there and then I get to ride rides, no lines,
like this was everything. This was everything I ever needed,
you know. I was very very happy.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
But yeah, so did you?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
For you though, was it a choice to go to
Disney route or was that just what was available?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
It was it was just we didn't know anything, Like
we were just like going, like, I'm just grateful that
my mom and dad had started some businesses, so they
did know like certain things like Coco is my business name,
and I have like business you know, it was all
business savvy the things that they did.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
But as far as like we had never.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Had yeah, stuff like that and like to protect me
and whatnot. But as far as knowing what we were
doing in the industry, we were just going through the
doors that opened.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Like is your dad still playing at this time?

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Oh no, no, no, he retired when I was much younger.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Okay, yeah, okay, so they were able to focus on
pushing your career.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, yeah, my mom was really the one that would
be on the road with me, and then my brother
and sister. They both played sports, so my dad would
be like nurturing their careers, you know what I'm saying.
And it was really just like whatever opens, that's where
we're going. That's where we're going to go, do you know?
And my mom she did a really good job of
just finding as much opportunity she could. You know, for
a while she was management agent, stylists, you know, as coach,

(19:06):
and she was everything.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know, that's crazy because it's like it's like it's
so different because where I guess where we come from,
or where I came from, anyway, we didn't. I just
didn't know what that was. I knew I could sing.
I know I could write a song. I know I
could make a track. I didn't know what to do
after that. My mama didn't know, you know what I'm saying. Father, military, mother,

(19:30):
working two jobs at department stores.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Did you do any like talent shows or anything?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I mean, I was, I was already a professional gospel
singer in high school. But if it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Church, yeah, I wasn't doing it.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I didn't know and I didn't know much about it.
I wasn't doing it, you know what I'm saying. So
it was always choirs, and I had been introduced to
John p Key and all these things at an early age,
so that's you know, I still didn't know what it
was on the other side of the television of the
teen history. I still didn't know.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
How any of that work, because it sounds like from
what you're telling us that you were the one pushing
for it early. Yeah, I mean finding these things to
get involved in.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, I was very, very passionate. Like I would wear
like my pajamas to the studio because I knew I
had to get up for school, but like I would
rather be there doing that all night, and my mom
would be like he made me.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
To God, no, my one more try.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
And you know another thing too, Like I would sing
all the way through. It was old ass equipment, so
I would have to sing the takes all the way through.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I feel like a lot of the stuff that I
do now is because of how hungry I was and
just using whatever resources were around me. Yeah, it was
definitely me and my mom, Like she saw my passion
for it, my passion for it.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
What is the moment as you're looking around and you're like, Okay,
I've arrived. We're not a national that I.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Was in living who Lebanon.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Lebanon, Lebanon, Lebanon.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
N O N. But we call it Lebanon l E
B what L E V A N O N.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
My big break.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
My big break was definitely Let It Shine. I mean
that is still what people talk about and associate me
with first, even with all this other stuff going on.
I remember, like the audition process and pretty much everybody
that we know was in that auditioning room, you know,

(21:52):
all of us as little kids and young girls, young
black girls, so like it would just get smaller and
smaller and smaller and smaller this pool. And I think
I auditioned like seven times, so that meant we had
to come to LA multiple times.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, you have the fly here audition.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, I didn't move here until I was an adult.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Oh wow, okay okay, or.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Like if it was important, important, then it'd be like
all right, let's get out there.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So was the audition on their dime or you all
had to pay for it to get got it? Got it?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
L OEL got it il O L.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
If you want it, you want it, Okay, this is
the time you need to be there very much.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
It's giving or next.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
So when I got that film and it came out,
it was the number one TV movie that year, and
I just remember the momentum, like right, after that, like
it was like, Okay, now you're gonna have this TV
show and you're signed, you're at a record label. Da
da da da da. Like it was just going so
fast and it feels kind of like now, you know,
like all this momentum and and like building up to something.

(22:54):
But I was fourteen, you know, and I didn't know.
I didn't know that that would ever stop. So I
was like, so job, job, try to.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Play met here we go.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yet in But literally, like it was all these things
that were supposed to happen, and I did put out
a project. It's so crazy, like Victoria wrote on my
first EP, yes, and Tommy was on the too. Tommy
produced it on it too, like all the people like
we you know, we are all like doing big things now.
But it was like Taylor Parks was on it too,
like crazy, but it all was like going like this

(23:30):
and then it just like stopped, but not drastically. In
my mind, it felt like that, but it was more like, Okay,
my management at the time did not know like what
to do. They didn't know how to create opportunity. They
knew how to keep because they know how to keep
what was already hot on umbrella too, right, What do
you mean as far as like the movies, No, not

(23:51):
even just the business side of it. From from your
business side of I'm talking about the business that you
guys were in.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
It's like you were signed to Hollywood Records, right, yeah,
and they're connected.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
To never said that Eeke, Well you said it.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I said, I did agree, you.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Know, but all of these companies were connected to each
other though.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they kind of it's like a
it's not a full package deal, but you kind of
know if you have a show, you're finna make music,
and if you're doing really well music, they're going to
try to put you on a show.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
You know, and you're only going to do a deal
with their company.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
You're you can do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
But at the time, I mean, when you're a young
kid and this looks like the next obvious step, the
whole golden ticket, that's what you're gonna do, you don't
think like you know that I have leverage.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Let's see what you can do for me, for sure.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
But I was like sign it. But my mom was like, hmm,
something in my shondo since now. So I did do
the record deal, but I didn't do the TV show
hmmm hmm.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
And I asked that because our podcast is informative, we
wanted to be as informative as possible, and your situation
is so unique for a guest that we've had. That's
why I asked that, Like, you know, because it's kind
of American Idol is, like you said, like you when
you do American Idol, you're signing to a certain label

(25:18):
that's connected to American Idol. It's not like, oh, I
want American Idol and now I'm about to go do
you know this this whole campaign and go meet all these.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Labels, right, run it up? Ain't no running it up.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
No, it's giving like we put you on, You're going
to stay right on here. But like, these are all
things that I wanted to I didn't I didn't know
what shopping was and going to other labels and I
didn't know any of that. I was like, I want
to do. What can I do to be Raven Hannah Montana,
Like what can I do? This? This is what you do.

(25:52):
This is what we're doing, you know. So at the time,
like it looked like all of these things were going
to work out, But there's also a formula, and if
you're a black girl who can sing, you're not gonna
fit into that formula. Like you're already throwing throwing off
the balance, you know, because I don't look like those
girls that I said I wanted to be like. I
definitely don't sing like them. I don't even the music

(26:14):
doesn't even fit me that I'm being told to do.
So what now what? And I didn't do the TV show?
So now the main marketing strategy is not I didn't
do that.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Was there a reason you didn't do the TV show?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I think part of it from what I can, I mean,
I don't, I don't really know because I was much younger.
But part of it, I feel like, was how long
I was gonna be under you know that umbrella.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
That contract keep getting longer and longer.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Look record.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
And then also too, like I knew that I wanted
to like have a different type of longevity. And so
I do feel like my mom was smart and like
taking what we could get from the experience, but not
diving so deep in that you're really really stuck.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
As that character, you know what I'm saying, like stuck.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Because it's it can happen Yeah, and especially if you
do it really really well. Yeah, you're that person everyone forever.
The transition is that much more difficult or growing up
for that matter, Yeah, is that much more? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
And I think, I mean God was definitely protecting me.
But at the time, I was like so disappointed because
it just wasn't. I was like, this is what I
was saying. I was going to do the whole time
out the way you say.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
It didn't out the way I was.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
When you say slow down as you put it in
that moment, what does that feel like to you? And
what are you doing to I guess feel the space
or feel the time avoid that you fit man. Well.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I was also trying to graduate early, so now I'm
like fifteen, are.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
You in school or homeschool?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Homeschool? Trying to graduate early because I was like, I
need to move to leg now. I need to move
there because that's where the opportunities are. That's why I'm
not like this big star, I'm here. I need to go.
So I was trying to go like finish school and
get out of there. And I also was like, I
guess I was really in my religious mindset because I

(28:17):
was like, where am I sinning because this isn't happening
the way it's supposed to happen. So what math? What
didn't I do?

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
And so I was like, like my friends would call
me like the nun because.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
I'm gonna sit this one out and let y'all have.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
No no, no, no, not that I'm not feeling it. I
just don't understand that because I wasn't raised that way.
So there is no there is no how do I
say this with there is there is there's nothing telling
me because I did this, this is not happening right right,

(28:54):
That's the.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Best way that I can put it, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
There's no like commandments of I didn't follow that, so
this didn't happen for me.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I never think I don't have that.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
In that church space that we were in, it it
was very much everything was connected to you know what
I'm saying. The good and bad things were definitely centered
around Wow are you living? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Very so you miss curfew.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
It could be anything anything, you know what I'm saying,
Like I got you said some bad words last week.
That's why the Lord is you know, That's why this
opportunity didn't come through that. You got to slow that down.
You know what I'm saying. I go to trying to
tell you something doing something, It's all it was. It's all.
It was always that you're not doing something right. Therefore
that's why this is not happening.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
So very much done.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
But no at the time, like I really like was
diving into that, like exactly what I was like, how
do I live perfect? Because that must be why my
prayers aren't answering. So I'd be the nun like the
goodie like I wasn't doing it. I was not doing nothing.
But I just wanted to graduate and I wanted these

(30:09):
things to work out. And then I got dropped. And
then I was like, oh now I'm rebellious because something
someone lies and I'm curious.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
I'm sixteen, I haven't done anything. All the girls are
doing everything. I'm done.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I'm outside.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
No, this was really me talking to God. I'd be like, okay,
what's that act? Like are you be for real? I'm like,
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I was sitting here and now and it's not okay,
So I'm done. And that's really how I was like.
And I mean I wasn't out here a while and
because first of all, I was homeschool. It's not like
I was about to go like I went to like
some parties with the girls who would dance with me,
like my dancers, and I'd be like sneaking out. Yeah,
Like I was so not like really with it, you
know what I'm saying. But then I did graduate.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
She's the greatest. This is the great There's so many
sound bites, literally, but.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
You want to know something so funny?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Can I can I tell a funny story? Okay? So
this was the first time I ever snuck out right,
and my mom and dad went to go somewhere my
sister for volleyball. So me and my brother were at
the house. My brother was like, yeah, I'm sticking out
and I was like what. He was like, I'm sneaking out.
I was like I was older than him, Like I
was I was sixteen. Yeah, I was sixteen and he

(31:29):
was fifteen. He was like, I'm out. I was like where.
I was like, where are you going? He was like,
I don't know, it's gonna be outside. I was like, well,
what if the I mean like what? I was just like, wow,
we're rebellious, okay, Okay. I was like so me too.
I was asking my I was asking my dancer. I
was like, where the party at. She was like, okay, yeah,
you can come meet this party. Like it was like

(31:49):
deep Nashville. Now I don't really go outside like that.
I was with my mom. I was very much like
trying to like be booked. I was on sets. The
only time I had went to Ashville was for the
studio sessions, auditions, performances.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
And now I'm gonna go to the party.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Right, how far is?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
It's like forty five forty five? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, y'all sneaking out there forty five minutes.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Too, Like we had a long driveway, so I was
driving with no lights on.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I was like, I was sweating.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I was like, I was it's Forrest because my neighbors
are snitches because they was gonna tell. I was like,
I was scared. I was driving, could not see. I
have my glass on. It's so much Forest Street and deers.
I was like, oh my god, bam be please, like
I can't saday. Okay, So I sneak out right and
my mom sends like this text. She's like, thank you

(32:40):
guys so much for like not having any attitude when
we were like stay home, we love y'all, and I
was the club.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
I was like, no, Mom, no problem, girl. I was
at this party, right. I was at this party.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
And so then this guy that I had liked at
the time, who also went to my church. I was
such a square. He went to my church, but he
was like the rebellious type. I was like, ooh, he's
deaf and at least singing. Okay, it was so hot, okay.
So he was saying he was going to come there
or whatever, and I was like, okay, period. So when

(33:11):
I walk in or whatever, I remember it was like
a cloud of smoke. This my first time like even
being around anything.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
I was like, oh my god. I was like, this
is the haze. This is the this is the spirit,
this is the dark spirit haze. This is that. I
was like.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I was like I should leave, and then I was like,
I'm musa stay. So I went in there or whatever.
So then I was like dancing with my friend and
I couldn't find my phone. This was after my mom
had texted me. My phone had like a bedazzled case,
like somebody was going to see my phone. It was
like pink bedazzled Claire's sparkles bright, and so I'm like, okay,
where's my phone. Now I'm really freaking out because I

(33:46):
didn't snuck out. I just responded to the I said
you're welcome in the group chat. I'm scared. So then
I was like I was asking my dancer. I was like,
my phone, I'm on my phone. I can't find it.
So literally all these girls I felt like such sisterhood,
very much cheated sisters.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Literally all of us came together.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
We did like this and they had their phones with
the lights and we went like all through the dance
floor and like we didn't see it. So I was
like freaking out. I was about to have a breakdown.
And then the DJ was like, yo, we got.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
A pink phone of the DJ booth. Pink phone of
the DJ booth.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
I was like, oh, thank you Lord. I went and
got my phone. I was like, okay, I really need
to leave. That was the lords saving me. I should
just leave, And then I was like I want to stay.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
So then I stayed.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
And then the guy that I like came and I hed, yeah,
I'm not saying his freaking nag.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know who you are. Podcast.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I was a nice yell little sister, but she was bad.
I was just trying to hang with shootout. She was bad.
But anyway, so yeah, he came to the party or
whatever and then like I was like, oh my god,
foot up. But anyway, Yeah, so then I went home
and I didn't get called or anything. But that was
like my first time sneaking out fully sixteen.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Is great, this is awesome.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
So yeah, that was my first time speaking out.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
You did get caught.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I did not get caught. I mean, I'm telling now,
but don't drive me mom anyway. But yeah, so I
got dropped and stuff, and like I was just I
didn't know what was happening. You know. It's also so weird,
like I was watching a lot of interviews. I would
watch like interviews like Beyonce being interviewed like Kobe, Like
I would watch anything like just to see what these

(35:27):
people that I looked up to what they were talking
about and like what they would say about the journey.
And I'd be like, I always feel like they are
not saying enough about the journey, Like where's the bad parts?
You know, like where are the where are the bad
Like how long did it take?

Speaker 5 (35:41):
What did you do?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Right? I was looking for, like to make it feel
normal that it wasn't happening good for me. So that's
why I try to be like more transparent about everything
that happened, just because I was like, is this okay?
Like does this mean I'm still going when or what?
What does this mean? So yeah, that's kind of like

(36:04):
what I was doing to fill the space.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, and you were still with your parents at the time.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, I was sixteen. And then when I was seventeen,
I graduated early and I moved to LA and I
was staying with like kind of like godparents type, and
then I got this opportunity to be on Broadway. So
then I moved to New York by myself. And then
I was like, oh, I'm definitely not having roommates when.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
I come there in the same year, in the same year,
you book a Broadway show.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
So then I was in New York and all my
family came to New York for Christmas, but for the
most part, I was like there by myself.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
At seventeen seventeen.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
And then I turned eighteen.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I had my eighteenth birthday in New York.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's crazy. Where were you staying in New York?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I was staying. They had it like they had put
me up in this like old is house. It was
not giving, but you know, respectfully, you've been giving. Overworked
and underpaid. I wasn't living for thatway.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Yes, I was like, love, isn't it Broadway?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I mean, yeah, labor of something.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Uh one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. It's
almost like eight to nine shows a week depending on
what you.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Are, okay. And then I was like, okay, who's doing
your makeup? They were like you you was like, who's
doing design? You? Well, who's putting my mic on you?
I was like, okay, Literally I was over there doing
my make I was like, so it's the same script,
same everything, every day and we're doing this multiple times
to day. Heyayay, how long were you on Broadway?

Speaker 5 (37:30):
I did that like almost a year.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, you were training for real, But that's a that's
a deep training, you know what I'm saying. And it
was and at the time it feels a way, but
that's real training, that's the real ship.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
It was. I was like, I'm sorry, y'all, y'all deserve
way more than this. Is a lot, like it was
the hardest job I think I've ever done, like being
on top of everything. I remember the first couple of shows,
like if I didn't know where I was supposed to
be placed, like the other girls that played my Friends
and stuff, they would look at me and I'm like,
this is a live show.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Oh my god. It was too much.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
I was so I was so green, And then by
the end of it, I was like, anyway, I got
right there. I'd be like half sleep because I'd done
it so much. I felt like a robot, you know. Yeah,
And then like at the beginning, I would always be
nervous because I had to kiss this guy because like
we were in love, and I'd be like and then
by the end, I was like, all right, anyway, let's
get this over come on Tom literally, Like I mean,

(38:32):
it was just crazy, like how how different my mindset
was on it at the end versus at the beginning.
But I don't know I would I think I would
do it again, but it would have to be like
bossed up, definitely bossed up.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
And then also like.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's like a very much passion project.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, about to say, it's like when you do Broadway,
you know it it is a labrout.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Yeah, you know, what I mean, and because you're really
there to show up in your tools, your.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Tool and but it's like you said, everything, if you
can have no no, no, if you can, if you
have to pick the project, then then that's uh, that's
the plus. If you can pick the project in the moment,
that's the plus. But outside, but the work, you know what,
I respected this. I was like, how many we do?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, how much is right?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
But it was like it was the the best experience
for me because of you know, of course, the people
that I was on the road with, they were like
you know from TV shows and from movies, they were
they were the real deal. I was this singer guy,
you know what I mean, who was the only singer
guy on the stage in this you know, kind of

(39:55):
prominent role. And they're looking at me like what you got?
What you got?

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Wow? I think it's so interesting because when I was
doing it, I was like the girl from Disney. So
they were like what are you doing? I was like,
I really don't know. Actually, just dra it up doing something.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
You got to go to the trenches.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
I mean, it's it's it's all preparation for all of
these things that we're involved in. And it goes back
to your Soul Train Awards performance. You're prepared for those moments.
It showed everyone is not prepared for when that light
come on and when it's time to do your job.

(40:37):
You understand, Okay, this is my spot, these are my
these are my these are my notes, this is how
I'm supposed to finish. And I'm gonna handle this like
a professional, you know what I mean? You got so
many artists out here now and I won't even say now,
we've always had We've always had some bullshit at times.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
But I think it's it's more it's.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
It's it's normalized now that people aren't ready ready.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I think also because we are in this fast culture,
so then sometimes people do pop off fast because of
social media and trends, and then it's like, yeah, what
do you do when you were just singing and doing
something on your computer?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
You know? Well, I think it's I think it's like
like if we're saying, okay, this this record is jumping off,
TikTok is going crazy, this major label comes in and say, hey,
you're popping, We're gonna give you a deal, let's go,
and then you just throw them to the wolves. Yeah,
and that's the part.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
That the development costs money, but the don't want to
spend that.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
But that's the part that's missing. So it's like, it's
why we have I think more of it. You know,
We've always had the bullshit for sure, but I think
we have more of it because there are more avenues
for people to get cracking and people will just throw
money at it as opposed to throwing some type of
tutelage and education.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
And understand it's a fun word.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Need it, We need it, and so let's get out
of New York. Okay, back to back to LA, back
to l A. You're back to l A with.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
No roommate, with no.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I was blowing it. Yeah that was not a big Okay,
it was not a big but I had all these
you know, I had savings and stuff because I've been
working since I was literally twelve Disney okay, say period.
So yes, I was back in l A auditioning and
this was pre COVID when you would go into rooms

(42:40):
and like meet casting people and stuff. It just seems
so so long ago when we would go into rooms.
But I'll be driving like all over the place, Santa Monica, Downtown,
North Hollywood. Auditioning, Auditioning, Auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning o
D Like, at least I'm grateful that, like I did,
have opportunities and audition Some people just want that, you know,

(43:02):
just the fact that they even are getting a shot
to take is like, oh my gosh, wow. But I
think for me, like my pride was checked because I
had already expected it to go. I already thought I.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Was at this level and go up from there.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
But it was like, it doesn't matter what you did
when you go into these rooms, they do not care
your brand new. So I felt like I was constantly
like just proving myself to people, like proving it, proving
and proving it. And at the same time, with music,
I'm independent now, so like I don't really know what
I want to sing or what I'm.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Saying recording too. Now when you come back to LA.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, but like very much independent, like whatever I want
to spend my money on to do, you know, because
when you're independent, it's on you and then the people
that want to rock with you, you know, maybe get
it on the back end or like just believe, you know,
and I have plenty of all of those different things.
So like I would make music and then I was

(43:59):
all so going to this music school. But that was
just so I could tell my family that I was
in school, you know, because they were like, what is
she doing at there? And my parents would be like,
she's in school, but I was doing that too. That
was that didn't lead to much, and like it was
so crazy because every time it would get to the

(44:19):
point where it looked like I would need to pivot
and like do something else, something would happen. Literally every
time I would get something or like a song would
pop off, or like I would get a sponsorship like
a promo, like a content piece to do something on
social media, and my numbers were not even giving like that.

(44:40):
So it was just so they would just come, like
something would always keep me going. I mean that it
worked out if that's what it was, if I was
if I was.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Nunnery, No, none of that I got.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I got thirty more steps to get.

Speaker 6 (45:10):
I got a question though, yes, something totally different. You
mentioned it the school.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
What were your expectations of music school.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Did you have?

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Did you walk into me because you said some of
you were like it didn't really pan out. So did
you have expectations when you when you signed up for
music school, like this is going to help me through
get X y ors it.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
No, I did not expect that. I I only wanted
to go to the school to network and to possibly learn.
I was thinking I was going to learn how to produce.
I was like, okay, I can learn that there learn
I was studying like music business, like entertainment law, like.
I was like, I want to learn what all of
this stuff means. Those were the things that I really

(45:55):
knew I could get out of it. But what I
thought was going to pop me off was a job
like acting role. So that's where I was like, whenever
I get this role, I'm out of here. I don't
even care how long I was studying any of this.
I'm gone because this is what is going to open
the door for me.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Okay, you know no, Because I think sometimes people it's
a it's a weird space with the music business and
music education, and I think a lot of people don't
look at it as really a real resource into making

(46:30):
it because so many people have done it without it.
So it's I and I sit in a funny space
because I didn't use, I didn't utilize. I didn't go
to school for music either. But I do understand the
value of it, and I think sometimes it's it's not
really it's not really brought up at all when people
talk about, Okay, this person went to Berkeley School of

(46:52):
Music or this person you know, they went to the
engineering Academy and these type of things. And I personally
think it should be promoted a little more because I
do think we need more people that you know, have
some form of education, yeah, in music business and in
music period.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I think that as we look at a curriculum for
music business, I don't think that that's been curated, no, properly, no.
And I think that there are so many things, so
many nuances in actual music business of us doing the
music business that's not in a music business school, that

(47:34):
at some point there's we're gonna have to help curate
that program so that when people come out of music
school music business school, they're not starting over from the
very beginning, because that's normally what happens now if you
have the gift, like if you go to Berkeley or
one of those schools and you come out in here
or you know, you technically savvy, you know how to

(47:56):
you know, you engineer, you know all these cool things,
like there's there's a there's a good chance that you
can be a dope session engineer or or or catch
a tour and go on the road, or or catch
a cool engineering job or up and coming rapper or
something like that. You know what I'm saying. Like, but
when it's just music business, the things that I've seen
from music business school is that they it's a book

(48:18):
thing for them, Go go, You're awesome and all things.
That's what you've told us. Okay, you told us without
telling us, you flexed on them. Okay, that's since you
were this high. You've been doing it at a high level.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
We're gonna get into your mind, your R and B
MINDR and B mind period, Your top five?

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Why does everything sound like a bad beer commercial?

Speaker 1 (48:46):
This is the moment felt the top?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
My god, your.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Top five all sings and sings and sings, top five?
Hum be sunk.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Can give us a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Niggas mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
My top five?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
You already your top five? Okay, hold on, R and
B singers male or female?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Okay, well I already had I already thought about this.
They're all female in no particular order, but five of them. Brandy,
Jasmine Sullivant, You're going to have me go ahead ahead her?

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah, yeah, yea barrier, Alijah.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Beyonce.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Wow, that's a toughness.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Who said dangerous? Sounds like they check ball man? What
who want to go get that?

Speaker 5 (50:17):
No one?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yes, no one. I feel like they all have different elements.
Like Jasmine is like this raspy, soulful type thing, and
like Aliya is like this vibe you can't help but
be like your Her songs are magnetic, you know, and
they stick in your head. Beyonce is the execution. It's

(50:39):
going to be executed to perfection.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
You know. Her is like artistry like all these instruments.
You know who else?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I say, Brandy, the vocal.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
Behind you already knew.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I feel like as I listened to your music and
your EP, like your body of work, you cover all
of that ground. Yeah, you cover all of your inspirations
in your music, because it was like you you really
were morphing into different moments, you know what I mean,
which is tough to do to be able to you know,

(51:18):
cater your voice to the different sonics and to the
different tempos and to like I didn't I didn't lose
anything from you, from a tempo record to a slow record,
did you write them? I don't feel like you should
stay here, No, you're better hear or you should like
everything was like okay, because and then that comes with

(51:38):
the execution when you talk about Beyonce like you didn't.
You didn't, you didn't lay off on any of those moments,
on any of those temples, like we gotta nail that
saying let's do that again, because if it's not the run,
then it's got to be the swag. And if it's
not the swag, then it's got to be the cadence.
And if it's not like you were on facts all
of that, Congratulations, you're top five, Welcome, Welcome, R and B.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Songs, okay and no order, say my name Disney Child
that thinking about you, Frank Ocean, Wow, when you touch me, Brandy.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Don't you do this today?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Some spear fingers, you know that one that's one of
my favorite records of all time.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
That's amazing, Okay, focused by her with the harpist. It
doesn't mean And then I said, my just my luck.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Come on yourself.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Why shouldn't your song be one of your top five?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I mean I realized that the theme here is do
whatever you please?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
And damn right you went to that, Brandy when you
touch me? Oh my gosh, listen. Brand He sang one
time at this R and B with the R and
B night that I used to host every Wednesday, and
Brandy sang came in here and saying, and I saw

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dudes huddled up. Oh my, guys huddled up together, shouldered
and shoulder in a frenzy.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
It's like, I wasn't one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
It was. I just wasn't women in this like frenzy
over artists together. It was guys huddle together, strong solid
dudes that were had that were that were that were broken.

(53:44):
They were emotional. Brandy had done that.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Her vocal is serious, it is, it is.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's the backgrounds as well, like it's the detail.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
It's don't play she don't.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And it's like, what's crazy is you remember the song
and you were men for the ad libs, Like that's
a whole nother verse is the ad lib It's ale
you were trying to sing all the parts, running out.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Of breath, it's a whole thing. I want to sing
your ad libs in the backgrounds at the same time,
the same time, well, and along with this lead line
that Rodney's playing. What is the lead line? I want
to do all of that. Okay, Okay, here we go.
You're making an R and B voltron. Okay, we're building.

(54:28):
We need the vocal, performance style, styling, and passion for
the artists for this vultron. Who are you getting the
vocal from?

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Put your phone down? Put your phone down, all right,
all right, Google's not your friend.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I was gonna say the vocal. I would say, Jasmine.
I want Jasmine's vocal on this vultron.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Vote you're doing with that? Yes, Jasmine your vocal, I'm
gonna say.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
I mean, I could say Brandy.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Of course, but but I love Jasmine. I love it.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
This is like, this is this is one of my voltrons.
This is one of them.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Okay, this one you're just building. Here, you're gonna build
another one that I got it.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Yeah, I already did.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
The Brandy one is like it's on its own, Okay,
leading the pack.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
And then this is the second in command.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Right here we go. Performance style on stage.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Beyonce mm hmmm, I would pick that as well.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, did you go to that on the run too? Two?
My nerves.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I have a thing where I only want to experience
these things at the top tier, Like I would rather
I want to go to the concert. When she's like,
hey go and I'm like hey, she's like, come to
the concert, I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm on the way.
Where is it that?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Oh that's a little far.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
She didn't know what the show.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Was that you're not really proud of to be her
like like the rest of us.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I'm saying, like, I just I just wanted to be
experienced that way as.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
A member of the Behave. I was in the audience
experience and Beyonce, I.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Want to be like I wanted to come.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
We'll talk about your membership after this. Okay, styling of
the artists. What you want, what you want to put
the trip? Who put? Who put that ship on?

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Alia put that ship on?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
She did?

Speaker 4 (56:27):
She did?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
She? I mean the trends are still very much the trends. Absolutely,
she definitely put that on.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah. And I also feel like she was sexy, but
it wasn't giving like we okay, new mystery, huh really
we're all out here with it period.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Okay, it was more like how does she?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
What is that? What's under there? Like what is this?
I'm captivated by the unknown, you know. I just feel
like that's something that is not as popular anymore, like
you know what I'm saying, Especially like as women, you
feel like, Okay, this is what everybody doing, this is
what this is what I gotta do? Like will they
care if I don't? You know?

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Well, so I liked that.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
For me, it was like, oh wow, she gets to
like not have to do that.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
You just got to decide what you want to be
on and and and not stand on right.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Of course you do.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
But then you know, as a girl, as a young
girl coming up, all you see is the certain things.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
That are like where you see it.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
For me to get the right right, I just feel
like she for me was like a breath of fresh air.
Oh I could wear that too, and I feel like
that that's something I would wear. I would want to
do that, not feel like, Okay, I have to do
this to keep up.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
You know, passion of the artists who you gonna get
the heart.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Front than because Beyonce also has a passion as well.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
I'm gonna say, Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Mm hmm, you want to rehearse eight to ten hours
a day. I don't want to play with it.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
The passion was passion.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, you don't want to play with it?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, no, playing with it.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
He didn't play car being polished. That's man. That's yeah. Different.
I love it different.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
That is different.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
That's that's a great vulture. That's a great vulture.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
And then I also had to say dancing. But you
guys didn't ask me.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
That well, performance style.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Oh okay, that is that is.

Speaker 7 (58:33):
Come on here, thank you, And I'm sad, I'm sa
ain't nothing right.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Don't make me regret? Oh yeah, in fact?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Okay, oh yeah, okay, sorry, we.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Got listen, we got we got something else for you.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Oh lord?

Speaker 4 (59:02):
What and don't go to your damn phone for it?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Neither?

Speaker 4 (59:04):
You can't get this out your phone?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
What I ain't.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Singing no names?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I ain't saying no names?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
There? Who's doing it?

Speaker 4 (59:18):
You gotta look into the clouds when you said.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Might have been me, might have been there? I don't
know what it was like. Singing no names? You singing
no name?

Speaker 3 (59:34):
You're saying names? What is this?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
What's happening.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I'm gonna give you the breakdown. You gotta listen to
the song. First, though, is that you see what you
see what he's doing?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Huh?

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Pis you might catch you out the four seasons playing
the piano on the lobby.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
That's what you But I ain't saying no name.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Definitely Mastro second floor, second saying no names.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I get to it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Oh, extra like my stake Oscar style.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
What's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
So we have a portion of the show. Segment of
the show. It's called I ain't saying no names? Will
you tell us a story? Funny or fuck up? Are funny? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
I was over here trying to guess the song.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
I was like, no names, and the only rule to
this game you can't say no names. We don't do
no snitching here. You can't say nobody name. Tell your
story though, come on listen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Let me think, because me telling this story, I mean,
I'm in the stories. So I'm like what I want
to say on the interwebs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I like it. I like it. I like give me
a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
You can't say it was me, Minnie and Mickey do that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Oh my gosh. And I told a good story already
and didn't say no name. Let me think.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Hm, I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I'm also a little new.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
People. You got them, you got them, got the stories.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
I know you got the stories.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Mm hm oh yeah that's the one. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Oh mm hm oh yeah, should.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I should thank you management?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I love that management. I love that Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yeah, oh no name.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
I have to keep that in mind, saying no names.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Okay, so before you said this is Coco Jones, I
ain't saying no names.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
WHOA Okay, I'm going to talk about a first date
that I had went on. So basically this okay sign check.
So this was a recommendation from a friend. My friend

(01:02:36):
was like, I think you guys would really hit it
off because the impression that I get from this guy
is that you guys would have really match. You know
what I'm saying, You guys seeing birds of a feather
flock together type.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
And I was like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
My friend had never recommended me do any first dates
and nothing like that, so I was like, Okay, cool,
I'm gonna see what you're talking about. So the first
kind of date was like like all like kind of
a group hangout type thing, like to get just get
the vibe, and then like you know how girls were like, oh,
you want to go to the bathroom, So basically it
means like you want to go talk shit in the bathroom,

(01:03:10):
and so it's like, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Great, So we go in the bathroom and after I
had met him, like I thought, he was like mad fine,
like da da da da da tall. You know, in
La it really be giving like you're either five eight
or you're a six spot.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Like it's rare for me because I'm tall.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I'm always like you're five ten, Okay, all right, I'm
five ten anyway, So I was like he's actually tall, like,
oh my god, he's cute, like funny da da.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Da da da.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Like I was like, girl, I think you ate that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
She was like okay, period. So cool. So after the
like group hang he was like, yeah, let's hang out
one on one. I was like yeah for sure. So
he like he was like, you want me to pick
you up? Da da da da da send the carvio.
I was like whatever. I was like, you know, like
you canna like pick me up whatever he's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Gonna in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Yeah. I was like yeah, yes, friends charming, and like
you know, I had had these impressions like he's like cool,
like suave type, you know, liked like with a little
side of like corny, which I like that, like I
don't like like yo, what up? I'm like, oh okay,
I can't read you. He's so scary, like I like
a little fun because I'm like a little corny too,
you know. So we go on this data or whatever,

(01:04:22):
and when he gets there to pick me up, I
get in the car and there's a balloon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
There's what a balloon?

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Yes, there's a balloon, a happy birthday balloon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
And it's not my birthday, and I don't think it's his,
Like why would you want to hang out with me
on your birthday? I just met you? This is crazy.
So I'm like, oh, I'm like what is it?

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
What's that? And he's like okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
So he's like I wanted to do something a little different,
you know, like and it was like hard to get
a reservation. So I told him it was your birthday,
so we got to like pretend it's your birthday, like
is that okay? And I was like okay, Like I was,
I was thinking this is different. I'm never gonna forget this.

(01:05:10):
But then I was like, do you buy a balloon
for every girl, like it's a lot of balloons. I mean,
I don't know how you get down, but like, is
this what you're doing? Every time I was like is
he doing this? Because like I'm in the industry and
I like, like the raw ra, like what's happening. I
was like okay, But in my mind, I'm like, but
I think he's being like nice and trying to be different. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
So, like we drive and we go to the wrong
destination first, the old restaurant, and it wasn't even there
no more, so that we had to go to the
other one. And so it's kind of like a longer drive,
and I'm like, let's play some of our favorite songs
so that we could like not have to like sit
here and talk the whole time, like we got a
long drive. So he plays some of his music and

(01:05:50):
I did not like any of it, Like that was
also very concerning. No, I was like, what are these songs?
Like I've never heard them and I don't like them
at all. So I was like okay, And the balloon's
like bouncing around the background.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I'm like oh.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
I was like ooh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
I was like okay. Next, So so literally like he
gets to. He was like, I just have one more song,
like I need to play it, like this is my
favorite cover and I was like, okay, a favorite cover,
Like okay, so no names, it's this song, this cover
and I can't even sing the song because the song
would give it away. Well, no, it's a cover, okay,

(01:06:27):
So I'm just gonna say a hypothetical song and pretend
to be him because I need to play this out.
We're driving or whatever and he's singing his heart out
and I just met him, so let's pretend it's a
red bou And so he's like delay and it's not

(01:06:47):
on tune, like it's not giving it's like de la,
I don't wag up like he's singing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
And I'm like all the cool points went out the window.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Like I said, I like cool, I like cool, what
a song a side? Not the main dish, Like save
that on the side so I can dabble in. It's
not not even family so honestly like kids, a kid's
portion of chlorn a kid's portion, like you can fit
it in the small plate that the cup one. And

(01:07:18):
I was like whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, this is not
who I met the other Day, like, what's going on here?

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
The balloon? I'm like, oh, the balloon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
I'm holding the balloon and I don't like the song
and he's singing his heart out and then he like
takes my hand and he's like, zay that this is
a mike a Day. So now I'm like, I'm telling
you that my hand is the mic and I'm like
holding the balloon, and I'm like okay, wait, wait wait,
I'm just like what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Where did the cool points go? So then we pulled
up to the restaurant.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
I didn't even get to play my songs, you know,
I didn't get to play anything. And he's still singing
and the vallet's like are you So he's looking in
the window and he's like Day and I'm like, oh okay,
and the guys like are you coming out?

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Like I don't know, and he's like we just got
to finish this real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
And he's like like literally, I don't know what was
going on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
So I'm like I'm getting nervous because I'm like, oh
my gosh, like what did I sign up for? What?

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Who is this man?

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
So, anyway, the song finally ends like and I was
like trying to like get that over with. So I
was like I was like, come on, let's go. I
was like the valet's like waiting on us, like come on,
and he's like okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
I was like come on please. So then we get
out or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
And he's like was that too much? And I was
like no, no, no, no, it's fine. But I'm like
so I'm like carrying this balloon. I'm like walking past people.
I'm like a darn So this date was on Halloween,
so just think about that. This was on Halloween. So
I'm carrying this balloon and people are like.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Halloween Birthday, Like, oh my gosh. They're like they're like,
get cherry Jerry. Jerry Jay comes out. He's like I
do not see a lot of Halloween birthdays, but.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Man, oh man, aren't we special haul And I'm like yes, yes,
So it's so nice. And then the guy's like I
tell her all the time, like it's her birthday, like
you know, she got to live it up. And I'm
like like, this is so not what I thought was
gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Not what I thought was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
So literally, like fast where we were like the balloon
is settled because it was messing with the heat lamps
and so I had to like I was like situ ass.
The balloon was like settle there, and like I'm talking
to him and everything, like I would say, it would
give like oh yeah, like your wifey.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
I was like, oh first.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
It was like though it was like your cap because
there's no way he did.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
I was like, you don't even know me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
I'd be like, oh, yeah, I've tried that that that
food before, Like shrimp is really good. He'd be like,
shrimp is good. You are so wifey, Like yes, I'd
be like a protein.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
I mean, I don't know. I don't think that qualifies me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
I haven't asked me like any core questions about myself,
but shrimp is good. I guess like yeah. So like
we're talking or whatever, and the day progresses or whatever,
and I know I'm like not really feeling it if
I'm just ready to go, Like you know, when you
really like somebody, you're like, oh, you know, there's a
little lounge with kick.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
It's kind of cute like whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
But then I was like, yeah, I'm so so tired
work working, you know, man, working so I just need
to go. I'm gonna rest, like I need to rest,
and he's like, yeah, no problem, da da da da.
He drops me off whatever whatever, and then he like
walks me to the door and I was like, oh right.

(01:10:44):
Literally I was looking at him and I feel like
I literally gave him telepathy. I was like, you are
going to get embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I would really appreciate it if you just settle the
score and leave. And then I felt like he was
like understood, thank you so much for telling me I
will head out. So anyway, he didn't gets me whatever,
but I get into my house or whatever, and then
he texted me and he was like I just cannot
get over how beautiful you looked.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
He was like, thank you so much for spending time
with me. Sleep well and text me tomorrow. And then
he was like good night, mia'm I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I was like man, I said good night.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
N G.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Yeah, that was an interesting story.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I don't know what. I don't know what that was.
I really don't excited. Why, like what see and that's
what that's what's not gonna work for me. It's like yes,
for sure, yes, this is all very much young.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
And because even the verbiage shrimp is nice your wife
like that's a very young like they throw that out
like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
What I'm saying to It was just like I felt
like I don't like to feel I feel I want
to feel valued and like, oh you you are treating
me like a prize. You know, yes, I want to
feel that, but I don't want to feel like you're
you're you're looking at me up on this pedestal like wow,
hope one day I can get up there, because then

(01:12:20):
I'm like that means I'm looking down at you. Why
am I on the day with you and I'm looking
down at you? You know, I don't want to feel
like that. Anyway, that was a funny ish story, kind
of cringe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Let mena use that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
But I didn't count him out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
He tried.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I didn't count him out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
He didn't count No, gave another date.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Yeah, yeah, I actually did, like, oh, ship, but don't
be over there buying balloons for the first date.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
That's not hot. It worked though it did not work.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
It did not work. I I liked him, but it
wasn't giving that so I I I don't know, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
By happy birthday balloon, you little corny fellers. Okay, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Corn is memorable.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Corn is memorable.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Corn doesn't break down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Stop giving science fair now, it's not giving nutrition. Anyway,
I thought he was a good guy. That's why I
gave him more chance because I was thinking about it
and I was like, Okay, he definitely went all the
way corn city with it. But the opposite of that
is the too cool for school like I do this,
like I say everything. Everything that I'm saying sounds rehearsed,

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Like I'm not nervous at all.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
You don't give me no type of butterflies like whatever,
you know, I don't want that. So I'm gonna give
the guy a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
I like that you gave him a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Yeah, yeah, because you just never know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
You never know, you never know, you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I've seen some odd couples like, okay, you look like
it's her birthday. I know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
I was like, man, what y'all really got me? Carrying
this balloon around?

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Literally remember it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
I will never forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it. And I
still like, I still think the guy has great qualities.
In all of those things. It's just giving.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
That's not how it was gonna pan out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
But if a guy was corny on a first date,
I'm definitely gonna have another day with him because I'm like, hmm,
you're nervous and you're trying. The effort is there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
We'll take that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Yeah, now the level of corn.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Watch this and be like no, what when I get
my change, it's just a little.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Right in here, just enough to compliment the entre, just
enough to compliment. Don't over don't be overbearing with the corn.
Like half a cob, half a cob at best, I
want a whole cab right there with it, right there
with just a spoonful of sugar, makes medicine go down.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
You know, you get it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Coco Jones, thank you, thank you. We we we think
you're really dope.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
We appreciate the light.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah, we appreciate your energy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Pure inn r g m H.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
Don't do that because they could be a whole group
right now, great.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Bring back Great, That's what I did. I'm never going
to live. You're still high up on the cool with us,
you got it. I see so much, so much dope
ship in your future than you and I see it.

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I see it in the very simple space of you
just being you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
You know what I mean absolutely that you will never
you will never have to compromise who you are. And
people are going to love it. They're already gravitating to it,
and it's just going to keep taking you higher and
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that goes without.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Saying thank you. I need a hit song with a duet,
let's get into that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Sounds simple, that doesn't sound Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Okay, great, that's done. So listen. You just heard it first.
There's gonna be some music.

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We just vocused some R and B Money Coco Jones, Yeah,
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