November 15, 2025 • 48 mins
Breaking Point with David Zere - November 15, 2025
A - David breaks down today's topics- H1B visa, Mortgages, and The Last 600 Meters film
B - David and Breccan Thies of The Federalist discuss protestors and who is behind them
C - David and Jeremiah Poff talk about H1B visas, immigration and the work force
D - David asks Director Michael Pack about his film The Last 600 Meters
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, everybody, you're watching Breaking Point on Real America's Voice News.
I'm David's ear. Thank you for joining the Rap family. Today.
I've got a super show for you today with Michael Pack,
the director of the Last six hundred Meters, The Battles
of Najaffa and Fallujah. It's just extraordinary. Buy it on
Amazon today. It's about Najaffa and Fallujah. Back in four right,
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we were taking a beating. The Marines were getting killed,
five hundred and forty injured, like seventy I think killed
justin Fallujah alone. But we took it back right and
because of the political environment in Iraq, the Marines was
stopped and they wanted to keep going because they could
have made a big dent in the insurgency. But then
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they were allowed to go in and they did wind
up taking back these cities and getting rid of you know,
some of the al Qaeda elements and foreign fighters that
Feda yen in the island bas province uh with the
Sunnis and where al Qaida was killing the tribal leaders
and they were like forcing people to fight, and and
then in the south with the Shia with Mitana al Sada,
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who are killing Americans and killing innocent people on the ground,
and the Marines took that back along with other branches
in Najaff as well. It's a fascinating movie. You've got
to watch it. Uh, it was. The footage is incredible.
The camaraderie with our troops, you know, the last six
hundred meters was the difference. Uh, you know, you're safe
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on the ground, uh, with American military might in the
on the ocean, in the air, and when you have
massive forces. But these Marines were in close court of
combat with bayonets and rifles against an insurgency and they
had to fight door to door and take back these cities.
And it's a really gripping moving story and to theism
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of these guys regardless of the politics of the war,
and Paul Bremer and General Abozade and the US you know,
afraid to go and attack the mosque. Meanwhile they were
housing weapons and all kinds of fighters under Mctada al
Sada and the Joff and the she Heites. So but
the Marines prevailed there, the US forces prevailed there, and
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it was just an incredible movie. You got to go
get it today. The last six hundred meters, the Battle
of Najaffa and Fallujah. Michael Pack will be with us,
the director later in the show. But I just got
back from Florida. I was down there playing in the
Warriors Choice Foundation outing and they did a really nice
job at the Trump Jupiter Golf Club, and they had
people there like Tito Ortiz and Elena Russeferf. You know Magalangelo.
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Her painting is hanging in the White House of Trump.
Trump uses it as his seal on the truth social posts.
And she's a very talented artist who emigrated out of
Communism and knows what it's like under communists. She's a
brilliant artist. And I played with veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq.
One guy who was head of the Haho and the
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Halo jumps jumping out of planes at thirty thousand feet
and navigating thirty kilometers in the dark, opening the shoot
four seconds into the jump and going thirty kilometers into
their targets. And I played with this other guy, Brandon,
who fought in Fallujah for the US Marines. Just incredible people,
the best people, the best people. It was a day
before Veterans Day. Rudy Giuliani was there. He was just
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pardoned by Trump. Phenomenal day. But what's going on the
ground in Florida. What's going on is that Florida construction
is booming in Southeast Florida. I mean, you've got like
one hundred and fifty miles of coastline in Southeast Florida
from like Juno Beach or north there, all the way
down to Miami and South. They're knocking down one hundred
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and eighty million dollar homes to build one hundred and
eighty million dollar homes in their place. It's just amazing.
But Marilago's only worth twenty million dollars, right, It's so ridiculous.
It roth like a billion, a billion five made, you know,
because every house that's going up down there on Palm
Beach Aisle is just massive. The money people getting out
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of New York they call it the Mom Donnie migration.
The phones are ringing from New York real estate brokers.
People who want to leave. Small businesses are leaving. Restaurants
are already saying they're not going to expand in New
York City. Now, Florida is expensive, but there's no income tax.
It's a homestead state. You can't take your house and
a bankruptcy. I believe it stands your ground. You can
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carry a gun. You know. There's a lot of positive attributes,
but it's expensive. I've had three people recently come to
me and say they're moving to Alabama from Florida because
they can't afford to live there anymore. But a lot
of the locals are flocking to the markets in Southeast
Florida and they're buying projects that are available or doing
improvements on their house knowing that there's a surge, and
New Yorkers are going to be scooping up the real
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estate that they aspire to have or put themselves in
a position to sell their homes. There's condo and mansions
going up like chicklets down there. It's it's really a
very fascinating you know, Florida has the budget, it's about
one hundred billion. It's less than half of New York
State's budget. And Florida's four million people in New York
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and New York leads the country in net migration, you know,
leaving about one percent of populations. Started on Andrew Cuomo.
He's a terrible governor, and it's going to continue under
Memdani and as Michael Goodwin from The New York Post
says it's going to be a long sour decline for
New York, so we got to keep our eyes on that.
But New York nationwide home ownership averages are at forty
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for first time buyers. It used to be twenty eight.
And it's not good. I was twenty three with three kids.
I was twenty seven when I bought my first home.
Those days are over, and rates cross their housing have doubled.
Justins twenty twenty one, rates were at six and seven percent.
There's still almost at six. They are going to come
down more, but they were two and three percent just
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four and five years ago. And salaries haven't gone as
up as much as housing costs. And costs have doubled
for housing, and the median age for all buyers has
gone from thirty one to nineteen eighty one to fifty
nine years old this year. You know, now we've got
these fifty year mortgages being proposed. I don't know how
I feel about it. I'm a commercial real estate broger
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for forty years. I guess it's a chance for people
to get in a home. Theaverage person only lives in
a home for like fifteen years or so, so they
can sell it, but they're going to pay more an interest,
and that's a problem too. But if the government didn't
abuse you in the first place, we wouldn't have these problems.
So there's so much going on here. And you know,
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salaries haven't gone up as much as housing costs, but
you make about half of what you did coming out
of college, and you did even twenty and thirty years
ago right now, and you definitely haven't kept up with inflation.
So there's a six percent unemployment rate for college grads,
you know, and they're having a hard time. They're not
starting homes, buying homes, starting families, getting married until they're
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like forty. It's late in life. It's late in life.
People only live to seventy eight, you know. So I
hope we can get this under control. I think the
Trump economy, once it takes off, will have deep implications
for people trying to buy homes. You know, if mortgages
are four point three four point seventy five percent, say
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for a thirty or fixed, people can get into homes again.
It's still expensive though, it's still expensive, and construction costs
are up thirty to fifty percent in the last five years.
I'm in the construction business too, and we're getting hammered.
We are getting hammered, and it's a it's a tough
problem here. So I hope that we get back on
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the right track. I think if the economy takes off,
I think Powell and the Feds are stifling Trump just
so Congress goes blue in September and in November of
next year. I really believe that in the bottom of
my heart, because it's going to take longer for the
economy to rebound. Knowing that they did not lower rates,
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say another fifty or one hundred bases points so far
this year, it might be too late if they come
down in May and June of next year. Right, election
days only one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty
days away from that point. So we'll see what's going
on here. But I want to thank everybody for joining
us today. I have a terrific show for you. We're
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going to talk to brecon Fees, he's a correspondent for
the Federalists about Antifa and all the money that's involved
these groups. Two hundred and sixty six groups raised to
spend two point nine billion dollars in the No Kings
protests and the other and one of those groups Bam
by any means necessary on the ground in Berkeley. They're
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violent thugs, they're America haters. What else is new? Right?
And then I got Jeremiah Poff coming on from Restoring
America the Washington Examiners. We're going to take a deep
dive on H one B, VSA's and immigration, the high
tech workforce. Are they really needed? The pros and cons
of it. So I want to thank you again for
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watching us here. And you know, companies like Microsoft and
Apple and Meta and JP Morgan Chase, you know, and
these other companies Cisco probably abuse the H one B,
but they also attract people who are skilled with high
tech and there is a shortfall in certain sectors in
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the United States here, so we got to get our
STEM programs back. So you got all these college graduates
without jobs. But do they have the right degrees or
did they take Caribbean studies, you know, basket weaving, who knows,
you know, Britney Spears and our impact on music? You know,
who knows what courses these people are taken these days.
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and some of the cl were bs and they were
subject to liberal brainwashing, but they withstood it pretty well.
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Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, an amazing week in America with election day last Tuesday,
the Tuesday prior a little bit of a game changer
in New York. But I don't think Mandannie won with
a real mandate. You know a lot of Republicans would
never come over and vote for Cuomo wasn't going to
happen with the fifteen thousand nursing home deaths in the
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bail reform he signed into law with thousands of New
York as a been victims violent of violent crimes and
murders and other you know. And then Cuomo made New
York State a sanctuary state in twenty seventeen. So and
even if you took the bottom six candidates, including Curtis Lee,
where they still wouldn't have made up the difference with
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Cuomo lost by Cuomo campaigned late. He didn't get on
the ground like Mamdannie and Slee would date and Mandannie
of course has this machine. But he's appointing these people.
His right hand girl in his office is like a
super super leftist Columbia University radical, and his attorney. You know,
it's it's going to be a long sour decline, like
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Michael Goodwin puts it from the New York Post, Uh
for New York once again. I was in New York
City the other night, and you know, it's dirty. It's dirty.
The smell, uh you know, it's just overwhelming, and every
square it smells like weed, you know, or fecal matter,
and you know, and I love New York City and
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know so much energy, you know, growing up and everything,
and there's still nice things about it. But my kids
and grandkids live there. I don't want bad things to
happen there. But Mandannie will be under my score. But
I want to talk about this and other items right
now with the White House correspondent for the Federalists. I
want to welcome back to show Breck and thee's How
are you.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Sar doing great?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, I enjoyed talking with you last time on the show.
And Antifa, right, we have these Berkeley TPUSA riot basically,
and all these groups involved out there, this one group,
by any means necessary, reared its head again and two
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hundred and sixty six groups I think we're behind, like
the No King's Rally protests across the country raising like
three billion dollars or at least that was identified by
Fox News. Tell us about the dynamics, what happened in Berkeley?
Who was funding it? And are people worried? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
I mean, you know it's who was funding It's a
great question. I don't think we know the full story actually,
but you're exactly right. There are a ton of groups
that are very interested in funding this kind of civil unrest.
I mean, you know, it's not shocking to pretty much
anyone to see this happen at Berkeley. I mean, it's
happened at Berkeley multiple times before. It's happened at college
campuses multiple times. Or but you know, uh, at least
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they used to not be shocking, and now it's sort
of like, well, we know that these people can be
very violent. We know that these people want to you know,
hurt or kill conservatives, and that is non an overstatement
at all. We're seeing people getting assaulted, and you know
that means that we do have to start looking into
who is funding them. You mentioned a couple of organizations there.
(15:24):
There's a ton of interest with these sort of radical
socialist groups, these these kind of like pro Palestine groups
some of them, and and and the rest of it.
We don't have a full picture. It seems like where
all this money is coming from, where all these people
are coming from. Oftentimes these people are not even students
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at the colleges that they riot at. Some of them are, though,
And and you know that's really where the Trump administration
needs to come into play here. And and kind of
kind of you know, they've been talking a really good
game about this, and it's it's it's rate that Antifa
is is now a domestic terist organization. They were talking
about bringing rico chargers against people like George Soros, who
(16:08):
is one of these billionaire donors. But you know, they
need to go on offense and and you know, instead
of waiting for these Antifa riots to happen, they probably
need to kind of root out these terror cells before
these riots are allowed to even take place. I mean,
and on top of that, I mean, you know a
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lot of these people aren't even getting arrested. If they
do get arrested, they're getting they're let off the hook.
There's a whole host of other issues with that, but
but it people are demanding arrests, people are demanding you know,
FBI press release about how a terror cell was uncovered,
and it gave us a really you know, great insight
into the web of funding that these places we know have.
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We just don't know the extent, and we don't know
all the organizations and the people involved, the billionaires who
are funding them, the the you know five oh one
c threes, all the leadership people want to see purp walks,
and you know that that's just what's going to have
to happen in order to make sure that this group
Antifa that's been terrorizing Americans for like ten plus years.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
At this point. Yeah, finally that there's some accountability.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's kind of like fight club, right, you know, I
think it's easier said than done to go after and
break up say terror cells, you know, for for Antifa,
because you can, you could track the funding, and you
could have the leaders, and then you got the DSA
and Linda sarsor types organizing Columbia protests and you know,
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you can do it. But then you've got like people
who are waiters and bartenders and you know, who want
to dismantle the system because they have their own frustrations
and maybe they weren't raised right, or maybe they were
brainwashed by their college professors and they were taught to
love Trotsky, you know, and you know and don't realize
you know, they're misguided, whatever the reason is. But they
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kind of blend into society too. These are your barristas,
these are your uh, you know a lot of government workers.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's not so easy, No, it.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Is not easy, And there's and there's no you know,
there's there's no sugarcoating BATA and it will be hard
and it and it will be you know, but like
you know, at the very least these people who are
who are rioting and are there need to be arrested
in mass and you know, tried and put in jail.
I will say, you know, on the on the point
of of of kind of rooting these people out and
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get having you know, federal you know, law enforcement action.
I mean, the Biden administration told us for years that
that you know, quote unquote white supremacy.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Is the biggest domestic teor threat.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
And you know, you couldn't really point to no one
can really point to an example of that except for
that they they put a ton of resources behind it.
And you know, we know that the federal government can
do things if it wants to, including go at going
after parents, going after quote unquote white supremacists, of going
after people who pray outs out of abortion clinics. So
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like we know that they have the resources that we
know that you know, some of these agents can be
motivated if they want to be motivated. But it's it's
time for it's time to turn on the motivation for Okay,
it's actually a threat.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So okay, let me play devil's advocate though. Right, you
have a demonstration at Berkeley, it's the people's right to assemble. Right,
do you have to pre determine who's going to be
at the protests or have intelligence on the ground to
show who's organizing these to be able to go and
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arrest them, because one, not everybody's violent, and the optics
for the midterms are going to be really terrible if
they come in and start sweeping up protesters everywhere, that
could be a problem.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Right, Yeah, No, you're exactly right. And and no, not
everyone's violent. That is definitely true, and you know we
should not be you know, even if we don't like
what they have to say, if they are peacefully protesting
and they're doing it lawfully, then they are allowed to
do that.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
The problem comes where it does turn violent, and it
often does turn violent where you know that that's where
it would be good to know who these people are.
The people who are more kind of susceptible to turning violent.
I mean that the guy who everyone saw the picture
of the person with the bloodied face at after the Berkeley, right.
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The guy who assaulted him is some dude named literally
named Jiha. I mean, like it's it's it's sort of
like you can't even make this stuff up but here.
But the thing is that, yeah, I mean, you know,
everyone has the right to protest, everyone has the right
to free speech and doing it lawfully. I mean, that's
frankly what the TPUSA people are doing too.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
They have the right to speak as well. You know.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
The fact is is that the violence only goes in
one direction. Yeah, and people are paid, and they know
that they can be violent. By the way, and this
is a key point. They know that they can be
violent because they know that with all of the funding.
It's not just funding to like get bodies there and
pay these protesters, many of them are paid. It's also
the legal fees and getting them out of jail and
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you know, you know, posting bail for them and things
like that. That's how they know that these people can
can be violent, get arrested, they have their legal fees
paid for, and then as you said, they can kind
of just like you know, go back to their barista
job or whatever and go back to society like nothing happened.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Do you think that Berkeley, especially with tp USA involved,
you know, once again victims of violent violence and their supporters.
Do you think this may be a turning point or
a threshold because you know, we said when Charlie was
shot that would be the turning point. So, you know,
is it going to keep creeping along? What's your prediction?
(21:53):
We have about a minute and a half. I'll give
you the last word.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I think it will keep creeping along.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I think that there's going to be more violent Unfortunately,
I don't think you know, everyone thought that things were
going to change after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That clearly isn't true.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I mean, you know, Democrats just elected an actual violent person,
or at least he thought about it, you know, being
assassinating people in Virginia like they unabashed about that. I
think that this is sort of who they are right
now because they're backed into a corner. And unfortunately, there's
going to be more of this, and that's why we
need to be so vigilant about making sure that people
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are safe when they are trying to speak peacefully.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
In about thirty seconds, can you sum up what happened
in Minneapolis? Because the FDL the farmers and the Labor
Party chose omar Fate by you know, sixty percent to
run against the income at Jacob Fry, but Jacob wound
up winning. Is what's that a signal of? Do you think?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, well, this is something that I hope more and
more people start talking about. Is that the only reason
Jacob Fry won is because there is a a an
African tribal blood among the Somalians in Minneapolis. This is
not even a joke that you know, omarph Ta is
part of one tribe. A lot of the voter base
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is part of a different tribe and they refuse to
vote for omarpha Te because he's part of a different tribe.
I mean, this is insane stuff that they did, that
we have imported as Americans into America, that these African
tribal blood feeds are literally, uh, determining our mayoral elections.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But that's that's what's happening there.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
It's not you know, the Democrat like, it's just Somalians
voting for people based off of these you know, these
these blood feuds.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Berecon, I really appreciate your insight. I'd like to talk
with you about that more in the future. All right, everyone, Breconfiez.
He's the White House correspondent for the Federalists, always informative.
I want to have you back to talk about all
this stuff, so thank you again.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
All Right, everybody got a great guest ahead, but we'll
talk about H one BVS. Hey, welcome back. You're watching
(24:14):
Breaking Point on Real America's Voice News. So grateful you
joined us today to watch the show. Hot topics out there,
one of them is the H one B visas and
here to discuss the pros and cons. Jeremiah Poff, the
editor of Restoring America at the Washington Examiner.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
How are you doing, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, it's great to have you here. And you know
you're a young guy, right. You talk to a lot
of guys and guys out there who have graduated college
with a six percent unemployment rate out there across the country.
Are they getting hurt by the H one B visa
program or are they taking the wrong types of you know,
(24:57):
getting the wrong types of degrees.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Well, I think there's two different aspects to this. One
is you definitely have people out there who are graduating
college and having trouble finding jobs, especially in tech that
they otherwise would be able to find if it weren't
for the fact that the you know, major tech companies
are using H one B visas to effectively have an
indentured servant servant workforce. They bring in a lot of these,
(25:23):
you know, immigrants from primarily from India, and they pay
them below poverty wages, way more than, way less than
what an American worker would work for, and that worker
then effectively becomes, you know, in a certain sense, enslaved
to the corporation.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
By by the.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Visa because as soon as the visas linked to the job.
So that's one part of it. But you also have
people the system has been used not just to block
out would be employees who are recent college graduates. It's
actually also been used from other from companies that have
fired their own their native born workforce and then and
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then filled those positions with H one b's as well.
So you actually have two issues here, not just for
college grads and young people, but also for the entire
American workforce at large.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, and you were saying, and I know you've done
extensive research on this, that the colleges benefit too. What
kind of games did they play with it?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Yeah, so you actually there are two sets of H
one B visas. One is a lottery that is that
the companies apply for and they use that to get
there the workers that they want through the program. The
other way that you can get them, and this is
is by colleges and universities that effectively sponsor the H
one B applicants. That's why you say that there's I
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think there's about eighty thousand visas that go into the lottery,
but there's another forty thousand or so that are given
out through this system to to colleges and universities to
hire immigrants and recent a lot of some of them
go to recent grads from the university themselves that are
from abroad. But again in another situation where a lot
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of these jobs you know, in theory could probably be
filled by American workers, but the salary requirements just aren't
aren't aren't there, And these entities, whether it's a college
or a company, view it as a way to cut costs.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Basically, so companies like Amazon, the single largest H one
B sponsors, hired like ten thousand and twenty four and
ten thousand again in twenty twenty five, Microsoft, Apple, Meta
JP Morgan Chase hired a few thousand, you know, So
my question in Cisco right Cisco Systems, Kevin O'Leary right
(27:55):
has spoken out against the fee one hundred thousand dollars
fee right to come here that Trump's proposing, saying that
we're going to pass up on skilled foreign workers who
have the necessary you know, background in certain sectors, and
China's going to scoop them up and they're going to
and startups in America won't be able to hire enough talent.
(28:22):
What do you say to those critics?
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I think one of the things that he misses is
that the program is not really being used as a
what is not really casting a wide net for these
workers in the first place. So the clearest evidence of
this is that the single largest beneficiary of h mbvsas
is India, followed by China. So you're talking about two
countries that, you know, even though they're the two most
(28:45):
populous countries on Earth, they are disproportionately represented in the
HMB pool. And so really you're what you're doing is
a Again, the companies are looking for employees that they
can pay less do the same work that in many
cases an American could do. And so they they're not
(29:06):
really looking for the breast and the brightest, they're looking
for who's going to work at the lowest wage. And
one of the ways that Trump has tried to address this,
and I think this is why. I think part of
the reason why this is a good idea is the
one hundred thousand dollars fee kind of forces the companies
to put them their money where their mouth is if
they really want these employees to come work for them jobs,
(29:29):
right exactly, So if you're really trying to attract the
best and the brightest, you better pay them as if
they're the best in the brightest too. And you I
mean in Nvidia, I think said that they would pay
the one hundred thousand dollars fee, and they didn't, and
they kind of left it at that, whereas a lot
of other companies, as you mentioned, have been kind of,
you know, wringing their hands about it. And I think
that goes to show the difference in mentality there is
(29:51):
like we need these people from abroad because they actually
have the skills, versus we're just trying to shoehorn people
into our workforce that we can pay at a very
very low wave and make and increase our profit margins.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah. One of my very good friends works for Amazon
and everybody's foreign, you know, and it's like, you know,
they probably you know, so they have a million people
in the workforce and fairness though, and the H one
b's hires for this year, I think we're about ten thousand,
but they're getting rid of jobs that people dependent on,
(30:25):
right and raising families.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah, And I think you know, when you're talking about it,
you're also talking about a time when AI disruption is
creating another whole challenge in the workforce for native workers,
and that includes tech workers. I mean, there are plenty
of American born tech workers that are losing their jobs
right now because of AI. I mean, I'm sure they
would be happy to take some of those same jobs
that are going to that are right now going to
H one bbs the holders.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, And it's always been shifting and the outsourcing of
you know, even just customer service jobs. Every time you
pick up the phone, you're talking to somebody in South Asia,
you know. But you know, companies like IBM and other
you know, all these guys lost their jobs and they
went down and like Cisco absorbed them and other tech companies,
and you know, maybe Intel and Cisco and other things
(31:12):
like that, But can you think of any particular industries
where H one visas H one B visas benefit the
American economy?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Again, I think that the program itself is designed to
displaced American workers, and I think you can't really have
a conversation about bringing in foreign talent until you fundamentally
reform the system and make it more like a heavily
merit based system rather than a lottery.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can you see a phase in as a solution to
maybe lower the numbers from sixty five thousand to a
bachelor degrees twenty thousand who have higher degrees, and then
you're saying another forty thousand, is it something we can
phase out and then focus more on our kids to
get better degrees.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
I think the first thing that you can really do
is just make sure that the that the get rid
of the lottery entirely and start handing them out to
whoever pays the most you hand out. You start handing
out the visas in descending orders, starting with the highest salary,
because that's part of the application that has to go through,
and you also have to weed out a whole bunch
of fraud that goes into the system too, because a
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lot of these companies, because they're looking to fill positions
with h onebs, will actually use will submit different app
entries for the same position, which is again really trying
to game the system.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
And so I think, you know, as.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
A very very bare minimum, I think the one hundred
thousand dollars fee is a good step. I think switching
it from a lottery to a a pay based allocation
would be another good step. And then you can start
you might see how the companies react because if they
really need these jobs, these people for these positions, then
they'll still be applying for them.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
But if not, they you know, they'll start looking domestically
for domestic talent.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We have about a minute left. Tell us about what
about You know, Bannon was railing against lut Nick because
they were claiming that this is going to close the
deficit raising all this money, which means how many people
are you going to let in? What do you say
to critics of the one hundred thousand dollars fee.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
I think they need to think about what really this
program is for and if they're if these workers are
really worth it, you should have no problem paying for
that fee.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, Okay, well listen, I really appreciate your knowledge on
this and i'd love to have you back. I'm sure
this issue is not going away anytime soon, Jeremiah, so
thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
All Right, everybody, Jeremiah Poff, the editor of Restoring America
at the Washington Examiner. It is a really complicated issue here,
and you know, we want to put American jobs first,
and I think that's what's important here. Kids are coming
out of college and can't find work. And I think
a lot of people feel that AI. And my son's
(33:58):
in AI related business and he thinks that like half
of three quarters at the entry level jobs a gold
to go away. So you know, that could be a
bigger problem going forward. And if companies are looking to
say kind of cheat the system and hire people for
long periods of time at reduced rates over an American citizen,
(34:20):
I think we've got to reconsider this. We'll see where
it goes. I understand a few sides here. It's going
to be a raging debate going forward, but right now
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would really have messed up if they messed with you know,
moms sweet potato pie. On Thanksgiving, people have to get
to see their families. And even though the shutdown is over,
it's still going to take the airlines a week or
two to get their act together, and nobody wants to
be stuck in an airport. I think the sentiment would
have been out of control, and I believe that was
(36:33):
a big reason why the Democrats caved here. But I
got to tell you I was in Florida this week.
I played at Trump National Club in Jupiter with veterans
from the Warriors Choice Foundation Special Ops guys. I played
with a gentleman, Brandon Fort and Fallujah and listen, Najaff
and Fallujah were hotbeds. We took a lot of losses
(36:55):
the Marines, other services, but we were eventually victorious. And
there is this incredible movie, The Last six hundred meter
is The Battles of the Jaff and Fellujah out on Amazon.
I have the director with us, Michael Pack, but I
want to play you this trailer. Check this out. It
was almost as though there was a boogeyman out there.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
We were facing a lot more enemy than we had
the capability to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Dug trenches, they fortified houses, They were ready. We wanted
to go. We were just waiting on the edge of
a knife. When are we going to get to go?
The order is seize the city.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
RPGs, small arms fire from everywhere.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Come.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I told him that I wanted to go, and he
looked at me and said, so, you're going to die.
The destruction is just horrible.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
The hardest thing about fighting this enemy is they're not
afraid to die. They're not afraid to die.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
How do you fight them? Wrapped?
Speaker 6 (38:04):
No down, Be prepared to start at one end of
the city and fight your way through to the other end.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
There's firing going on, there are grenades being thrown in
the house.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Became hand to hand fighting. It was so close. Two
selfless marines run across this kill zone four times to
pull marines out of there. I wasn't worried about, you know,
(38:47):
getting shot or getting wounded. I was worried about the
guys to my left and right.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
You always want to reassure these men that they've done
their duty, because that memory is seared into their soul.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
They never forget it.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
None of us do.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Foreign policy. I don't make it. I just delivered the
last six hundred meters of it. I'm so honored to
have with us the director of the last six hundred meters,
The Battles of Najaff and Fallujah, Michael Pack. Welcome to
(39:29):
the show.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
Thank you for having me on, David. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I watched the movie. Just extraordinary, and a lot of
this footage and interviews that took place where only either
from the joffre in Fallujah or just two or three
years later back in seven right.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
That's right. They were all conducted in a six as seven,
So two or three years after the battle, when the
people in that were interviewing that we're in the battle
and their memories were fresh, and they're about the same
age as the footage.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
And that's how we worked it.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
We we found the footage first, then we found the
soldiers and ranges that were in the footage, and they
tell their story direct to camera, looking right at the camera,
without any comment by me or any spin or any narration.
They tell their story, and we aim to tell the
story of these two battles without politics. Really the two
biggest battles of the war. As it says in the trailer,
(40:22):
the two biggest battles in America has fought since Vietnam.
And I think we owe it to the veterans to
understand what happened in these battles and what they did there.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, for sure, it was incredible. And the pressures from
the Shiites in the south and the Sunnis in the west,
and the Island bar Province post surge when Bush added
more troops there and taking back these villages that were
under pressure from al Qaeda and all these dynamics Felusha
and Najaf was a game changer for America over there.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
But tell us the story, Well, it's the first. It's
the first battle Fallujah and the job from the second
Battle of Fallusiah. The first battle Fallujah started when four
Blackwater contractors were coming through the town. They were killed, burned,
dragged through the streets of Fallujah, and two of them
were hung from a bridge. And then Iraqi insurgents and
(41:17):
children even celebrated and danced underneath their charred bodies. And
that was so shocking that it was determined to take
to clear the city of insurgents against the advice in
the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Actually, and.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
The act of clearing a city is violent one.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You have to smash indoors.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
You've got to figure out who's a civilian and who's
an insurgent. And the unfavorable media Al Jazer and others
were able to spin it so that looked bad for
the Marines and they were forced to stop and then
finally negotiate with the Iraq insurgeons handed over to the
so called Fallujah Brigade, who ran it for six months
(42:00):
as a said of safe haven where they could store
arms and other things, and it became series of torture
chambers and beheadings occurred there and that forced the Marines
to go through a second time. And that's the second
Battle of Fallujah, And in between is the Battle of
Najaf against Shia insurgence the Mahdi Army in the south,
(42:20):
and it too is swept up in the complex political
and religious changes of the war.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, maybe some missed opportunities because these battles took place
before the surge and they went in the second time.
They were kind of like their their forward movement was
cut off right and they had to go back in
and we lost a lot of troops, right, we lost
about seventy just in Fallujah alone, right, US Marines, and
(42:53):
you know it was a hotbed. And then you had
Zarkawi involved and tell us about a little bit about
the troops on the ground.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
Yeah, I mean says Zarkawi was the leader of the
al Qaida in Iraq, and which was this most of
the force in Fallujah and the second battle Fallujah. To
avoid the negative look of the first battle, they asked everybody,
all civilians to leave. They announced when they were coming in.
So all the civilians left, as did most of the
(43:21):
al Qaeda leadership and went to nearby Ramadi, including Zarkawi,
and then the fleets cleared the city house by house,
street by street. Is so little of it in the trailer,
and you know they did finally do it, but they
didn't press on. You know, the leadership was in Ramadi.
They they were not They were just not able to
press on until the surge. And it was years later
(43:44):
that we finally executed Zarkawi under President Trump.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
And you know it's just they you.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
Know, these are very complicated wars, these counterinsurgencies and you're
the political military leadership back in Washington's constantly deal with
world opinion and you know, the hearts and minds of
the populace. And you can see the effect on the
Marines on the ground. They're frustration and not finishing the fight.
I mean, that's one thing. Yeah, that's pretty deep in
(44:13):
the Marine Corps. Start a fight, finish it.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, because they expressed some of that sentiment in the
film that you know, they had a lot of forward
momentum after regaining these these victories in Najaf and Fallujah.
But you know, guys like Paul Bremer and General Abozade
were I guess sensitive to the political pressures and everything,
and once again our troops get caught in the middle
of it, right, So, but their faith never wavered and
(44:38):
they were there for their brothers on the ground, and
it was just it was just a spellbinding movie.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
I got to say, well, thank you, and I want
people to have exactly that impression. I mean, whatever you
think of the war, I mean, it's been a long
time for us to get this film, you know on
the air. It was broadcast on PBS at prime time
right before Veterans Day and appropriate time for it and
as you say, now it's streaming on Amazon, and I
(45:07):
think now twenty one years after the battles, maybe people
can look back without being clouded by politics and ideology.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Whatever you think of the war.
Speaker 8 (45:16):
We should sort of look at what these people did
and appreciate it. They put their lives on the line
for us, and many of them, as you just pointed out,
you know, gave the ultimate sacrifice and many, many more
were wounded. You could see some of the wounded even
in the trailer, so you know, we need to appreciate that.
Whatever you think of the war, and maybe maybe the
time is right to look back at it.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
But I myself have moved even in the.
Speaker 8 (45:39):
Trailer, but most so in the film was seeing, you know,
the heroic efforts of these young men, and some of
them are very young. You know, we look at it
from the corporal sergeant level up to the one star
general that's in the field only people in the battle.
But the young ones, the corporals and sergeants, they're like
in their late teens, early twenties, and they're you know,
they're asked to show a lot of heroismste to make
(46:01):
very complex political decisions. It's very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, just Steller and that last six hundred meters was right.
You're safe in the skies, you're safe in the in
the oceans with American military might. But on the ground
in the end, you got to take those last six
hundred meters. I can in the joff with the mosque,
right which they weren't allowed to even touch or bomb,
and troops were hiding in there against them. And one
(46:26):
thing that really moved me was despite all the technology
that was available to the US, it was the Marines
who took it back on the ground with guns and
bonts bayonets in close combat quarters. We have less than men.
I'll give you the last word.
Speaker 8 (46:39):
Absolutely, that's right. It comes down to, as one of
the marine says, where the metal meets the meat. The
last six hundred meter is what that one sniper says
he could see through his sniperscope. That's right.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
At the end.
Speaker 8 (46:52):
You have to trust the heroism, courage and grit of
these very very young people. There's one woman and mostly men,
mostly Marines. I mean, I think it's inspiring. I try
not to self sell the horrors of war and the
struggles and the surrealness of it, but I hope your
listeners watch it on Amazon. They can also go to
(47:13):
our websites matafold Productions dot com, where there's the trailer
and more information, and Palladium Pictures dot Com, our most
recent film company for even newer films and other things.
So I think, even though Veterans Day is a few
days past, any day is a good day to honor
veterans if you ask me.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, I played golf thee of the day in Jupiter
with the warriors, choice guys, people who fought in Fallujah.
Just unbelievable, the best of the best. Michael Pack, thank
you for joining us and let us know about new projects.
Please go, everybody and get the movie on Amazon today.
The last six hundred meters. Thank you again. Thank you, David,
Thank you for watching Breaking Points today. I'll see you
(47:55):
next time.
Hey, everybody, you're watching Breaking Point on Real America's Voice News.
I'm David's ear. Thank you for joining the Rap family. Today.
I've got a super show for you today with Michael Pack,
the director of the Last six hundred Meters, The Battles
of Najaffa and Fallujah. It's just extraordinary. Buy it on
Amazon today. It's about Najaffa and Fallujah. Back in four right,
(00:31):
we were taking a beating. The Marines were getting killed,
five hundred and forty injured, like seventy I think killed
justin Fallujah alone. But we took it back right and
because of the political environment in Iraq, the Marines was
stopped and they wanted to keep going because they could
have made a big dent in the insurgency. But then
(00:52):
they were allowed to go in and they did wind
up taking back these cities and getting rid of you know,
some of the al Qaeda elements and foreign fighters that
Feda yen in the island bas province uh with the
Sunnis and where al Qaida was killing the tribal leaders
and they were like forcing people to fight, and and
then in the south with the Shia with Mitana al Sada,
(01:16):
who are killing Americans and killing innocent people on the ground,
and the Marines took that back along with other branches
in Najaff as well. It's a fascinating movie. You've got
to watch it. Uh, it was. The footage is incredible.
The camaraderie with our troops, you know, the last six
hundred meters was the difference. Uh, you know, you're safe
(01:38):
on the ground, uh, with American military might in the
on the ocean, in the air, and when you have
massive forces. But these Marines were in close court of
combat with bayonets and rifles against an insurgency and they
had to fight door to door and take back these cities.
And it's a really gripping moving story and to theism
(02:01):
of these guys regardless of the politics of the war,
and Paul Bremer and General Abozade and the US you know,
afraid to go and attack the mosque. Meanwhile they were
housing weapons and all kinds of fighters under Mctada al
Sada and the Joff and the she Heites. So but
the Marines prevailed there, the US forces prevailed there, and
(02:22):
it was just an incredible movie. You got to go
get it today. The last six hundred meters, the Battle
of Najaffa and Fallujah. Michael Pack will be with us,
the director later in the show. But I just got
back from Florida. I was down there playing in the
Warriors Choice Foundation outing and they did a really nice
job at the Trump Jupiter Golf Club, and they had
people there like Tito Ortiz and Elena Russeferf. You know Magalangelo.
(02:44):
Her painting is hanging in the White House of Trump.
Trump uses it as his seal on the truth social posts.
And she's a very talented artist who emigrated out of
Communism and knows what it's like under communists. She's a
brilliant artist. And I played with veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq.
One guy who was head of the Haho and the
(03:05):
Halo jumps jumping out of planes at thirty thousand feet
and navigating thirty kilometers in the dark, opening the shoot
four seconds into the jump and going thirty kilometers into
their targets. And I played with this other guy, Brandon,
who fought in Fallujah for the US Marines. Just incredible people,
the best people, the best people. It was a day
before Veterans Day. Rudy Giuliani was there. He was just
(03:27):
pardoned by Trump. Phenomenal day. But what's going on the
ground in Florida. What's going on is that Florida construction
is booming in Southeast Florida. I mean, you've got like
one hundred and fifty miles of coastline in Southeast Florida
from like Juno Beach or north there, all the way
down to Miami and South. They're knocking down one hundred
(03:48):
and eighty million dollar homes to build one hundred and
eighty million dollar homes in their place. It's just amazing.
But Marilago's only worth twenty million dollars, right, It's so ridiculous.
It roth like a billion, a billion five made, you know,
because every house that's going up down there on Palm
Beach Aisle is just massive. The money people getting out
(04:09):
of New York they call it the Mom Donnie migration.
The phones are ringing from New York real estate brokers.
People who want to leave. Small businesses are leaving. Restaurants
are already saying they're not going to expand in New
York City. Now, Florida is expensive, but there's no income tax.
It's a homestead state. You can't take your house and
a bankruptcy. I believe it stands your ground. You can
(04:30):
carry a gun. You know. There's a lot of positive attributes,
but it's expensive. I've had three people recently come to
me and say they're moving to Alabama from Florida because
they can't afford to live there anymore. But a lot
of the locals are flocking to the markets in Southeast
Florida and they're buying projects that are available or doing
improvements on their house knowing that there's a surge, and
New Yorkers are going to be scooping up the real
(04:52):
estate that they aspire to have or put themselves in
a position to sell their homes. There's condo and mansions
going up like chicklets down there. It's it's really a
very fascinating you know, Florida has the budget, it's about
one hundred billion. It's less than half of New York
State's budget. And Florida's four million people in New York
(05:13):
and New York leads the country in net migration, you know,
leaving about one percent of populations. Started on Andrew Cuomo.
He's a terrible governor, and it's going to continue under
Memdani and as Michael Goodwin from The New York Post
says it's going to be a long sour decline for
New York, so we got to keep our eyes on that.
But New York nationwide home ownership averages are at forty
(05:38):
for first time buyers. It used to be twenty eight.
And it's not good. I was twenty three with three kids.
I was twenty seven when I bought my first home.
Those days are over, and rates cross their housing have doubled.
Justins twenty twenty one, rates were at six and seven percent.
There's still almost at six. They are going to come
down more, but they were two and three percent just
(06:00):
four and five years ago. And salaries haven't gone as
up as much as housing costs. And costs have doubled
for housing, and the median age for all buyers has
gone from thirty one to nineteen eighty one to fifty
nine years old this year. You know, now we've got
these fifty year mortgages being proposed. I don't know how
I feel about it. I'm a commercial real estate broger
(06:20):
for forty years. I guess it's a chance for people
to get in a home. Theaverage person only lives in
a home for like fifteen years or so, so they
can sell it, but they're going to pay more an interest,
and that's a problem too. But if the government didn't
abuse you in the first place, we wouldn't have these problems.
So there's so much going on here. And you know,
(06:42):
salaries haven't gone up as much as housing costs, but
you make about half of what you did coming out
of college, and you did even twenty and thirty years
ago right now, and you definitely haven't kept up with inflation.
So there's a six percent unemployment rate for college grads,
you know, and they're having a hard time. They're not
starting homes, buying homes, starting families, getting married until they're
(07:06):
like forty. It's late in life. It's late in life.
People only live to seventy eight, you know. So I
hope we can get this under control. I think the
Trump economy, once it takes off, will have deep implications
for people trying to buy homes. You know, if mortgages
are four point three four point seventy five percent, say
(07:26):
for a thirty or fixed, people can get into homes again.
It's still expensive though, it's still expensive, and construction costs
are up thirty to fifty percent in the last five years.
I'm in the construction business too, and we're getting hammered.
We are getting hammered, and it's a it's a tough
problem here. So I hope that we get back on
(07:47):
the right track. I think if the economy takes off,
I think Powell and the Feds are stifling Trump just
so Congress goes blue in September and in November of
next year. I really believe that in the bottom of
my heart, because it's going to take longer for the
economy to rebound. Knowing that they did not lower rates,
(08:07):
say another fifty or one hundred bases points so far
this year, it might be too late if they come
down in May and June of next year. Right, election
days only one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty
days away from that point. So we'll see what's going
on here. But I want to thank everybody for joining
us today. I have a terrific show for you. We're
(08:30):
going to talk to brecon Fees, he's a correspondent for
the Federalists about Antifa and all the money that's involved
these groups. Two hundred and sixty six groups raised to
spend two point nine billion dollars in the No Kings
protests and the other and one of those groups Bam
by any means necessary on the ground in Berkeley. They're
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violent thugs, they're America haters. What else is new? Right?
And then I got Jeremiah Poff coming on from Restoring
America the Washington Examiners. We're going to take a deep
dive on H one B, VSA's and immigration, the high
tech workforce. Are they really needed? The pros and cons
of it. So I want to thank you again for
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watching us here. And you know, companies like Microsoft and
Apple and Meta and JP Morgan Chase, you know, and
these other companies Cisco probably abuse the H one B,
but they also attract people who are skilled with high
tech and there is a shortfall in certain sectors in
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STEM programs back. So you got all these college graduates
without jobs. But do they have the right degrees or
did they take Caribbean studies, you know, basket weaving, who knows,
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Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, an amazing week in America with election day last Tuesday,
the Tuesday prior a little bit of a game changer
in New York. But I don't think Mandannie won with
a real mandate. You know a lot of Republicans would
never come over and vote for Cuomo wasn't going to
happen with the fifteen thousand nursing home deaths in the
(12:29):
bail reform he signed into law with thousands of New
York as a been victims violent of violent crimes and
murders and other you know. And then Cuomo made New
York State a sanctuary state in twenty seventeen. So and
even if you took the bottom six candidates, including Curtis Lee,
where they still wouldn't have made up the difference with
(12:50):
Cuomo lost by Cuomo campaigned late. He didn't get on
the ground like Mamdannie and Slee would date and Mandannie
of course has this machine. But he's appointing these people.
His right hand girl in his office is like a
super super leftist Columbia University radical, and his attorney. You know,
it's it's going to be a long sour decline, like
(13:14):
Michael Goodwin puts it from the New York Post, Uh
for New York once again. I was in New York
City the other night, and you know, it's dirty. It's dirty.
The smell, uh you know, it's just overwhelming, and every
square it smells like weed, you know, or fecal matter,
and you know, and I love New York City and
(13:34):
know so much energy, you know, growing up and everything,
and there's still nice things about it. But my kids
and grandkids live there. I don't want bad things to
happen there. But Mandannie will be under my score. But
I want to talk about this and other items right
now with the White House correspondent for the Federalists. I
want to welcome back to show Breck and thee's How
are you.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Sar doing great?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, I enjoyed talking with you last time on the show.
And Antifa, right, we have these Berkeley TPUSA riot basically,
and all these groups involved out there, this one group,
by any means necessary, reared its head again and two
(14:16):
hundred and sixty six groups I think we're behind, like
the No King's Rally protests across the country raising like
three billion dollars or at least that was identified by
Fox News. Tell us about the dynamics, what happened in Berkeley?
Who was funding it? And are people worried? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
I mean, you know it's who was funding It's a
great question. I don't think we know the full story actually,
but you're exactly right. There are a ton of groups
that are very interested in funding this kind of civil unrest.
I mean, you know, it's not shocking to pretty much
anyone to see this happen at Berkeley. I mean, it's
happened at Berkeley multiple times before. It's happened at college
campuses multiple times. Or but you know, uh, at least
(15:02):
they used to not be shocking, and now it's sort
of like, well, we know that these people can be
very violent. We know that these people want to you know,
hurt or kill conservatives, and that is non an overstatement
at all. We're seeing people getting assaulted, and you know
that means that we do have to start looking into
who is funding them. You mentioned a couple of organizations there.
(15:24):
There's a ton of interest with these sort of radical
socialist groups, these these kind of like pro Palestine groups
some of them, and and and the rest of it.
We don't have a full picture. It seems like where
all this money is coming from, where all these people
are coming from. Oftentimes these people are not even students
(15:45):
at the colleges that they riot at. Some of them are, though,
And and you know that's really where the Trump administration
needs to come into play here. And and kind of
kind of you know, they've been talking a really good
game about this, and it's it's it's rate that Antifa
is is now a domestic terist organization. They were talking
about bringing rico chargers against people like George Soros, who
(16:08):
is one of these billionaire donors. But you know, they
need to go on offense and and you know, instead
of waiting for these Antifa riots to happen, they probably
need to kind of root out these terror cells before
these riots are allowed to even take place. I mean,
and on top of that, I mean, you know a
(16:28):
lot of these people aren't even getting arrested. If they
do get arrested, they're getting they're let off the hook.
There's a whole host of other issues with that, but
but it people are demanding arrests, people are demanding you know,
FBI press release about how a terror cell was uncovered,
and it gave us a really you know, great insight
into the web of funding that these places we know have.
(16:54):
We just don't know the extent, and we don't know
all the organizations and the people involved, the billionaires who
are funding them, the the you know five oh one
c threes, all the leadership people want to see purp walks,
and you know that that's just what's going to have
to happen in order to make sure that this group
Antifa that's been terrorizing Americans for like ten plus years.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
At this point. Yeah, finally that there's some accountability.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's kind of like fight club, right, you know, I
think it's easier said than done to go after and
break up say terror cells, you know, for for Antifa,
because you can, you could track the funding, and you
could have the leaders, and then you got the DSA
and Linda sarsor types organizing Columbia protests and you know,
(17:40):
you can do it. But then you've got like people
who are waiters and bartenders and you know, who want
to dismantle the system because they have their own frustrations
and maybe they weren't raised right, or maybe they were
brainwashed by their college professors and they were taught to
love Trotsky, you know, and you know and don't realize
you know, they're misguided, whatever the reason is. But they
(18:01):
kind of blend into society too. These are your barristas,
these are your uh, you know a lot of government workers.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's not so easy, No, it.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Is not easy, And there's and there's no you know,
there's there's no sugarcoating BATA and it will be hard
and it and it will be you know, but like
you know, at the very least these people who are
who are rioting and are there need to be arrested
in mass and you know, tried and put in jail.
I will say, you know, on the on the point
of of of kind of rooting these people out and
(18:32):
get having you know, federal you know, law enforcement action.
I mean, the Biden administration told us for years that
that you know, quote unquote white supremacy.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Is the biggest domestic teor threat.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
And you know, you couldn't really point to no one
can really point to an example of that except for
that they they put a ton of resources behind it.
And you know, we know that the federal government can
do things if it wants to, including go at going
after parents, going after quote unquote white supremacists, of going
after people who pray outs out of abortion clinics. So
(19:05):
like we know that they have the resources that we
know that you know, some of these agents can be
motivated if they want to be motivated. But it's it's
time for it's time to turn on the motivation for Okay,
it's actually a threat.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So okay, let me play devil's advocate though. Right, you
have a demonstration at Berkeley, it's the people's right to assemble. Right,
do you have to pre determine who's going to be
at the protests or have intelligence on the ground to
show who's organizing these to be able to go and
(19:40):
arrest them, because one, not everybody's violent, and the optics
for the midterms are going to be really terrible if
they come in and start sweeping up protesters everywhere, that
could be a problem.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Right, Yeah, No, you're exactly right. And and no, not
everyone's violent. That is definitely true, and you know we
should not be you know, even if we don't like
what they have to say, if they are peacefully protesting
and they're doing it lawfully, then they are allowed to
do that.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
The problem comes where it does turn violent, and it
often does turn violent where you know that that's where
it would be good to know who these people are.
The people who are more kind of susceptible to turning violent.
I mean that the guy who everyone saw the picture
of the person with the bloodied face at after the Berkeley, right.
(20:29):
The guy who assaulted him is some dude named literally
named Jiha. I mean, like it's it's it's sort of
like you can't even make this stuff up but here.
But the thing is that, yeah, I mean, you know,
everyone has the right to protest, everyone has the right
to free speech and doing it lawfully. I mean, that's
frankly what the TPUSA people are doing too.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
They have the right to speak as well. You know.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
The fact is is that the violence only goes in
one direction. Yeah, and people are paid, and they know
that they can be violent. By the way, and this
is a key point. They know that they can be
violent because they know that with all of the funding.
It's not just funding to like get bodies there and
pay these protesters, many of them are paid. It's also
the legal fees and getting them out of jail and
(21:12):
you know, you know, posting bail for them and things
like that. That's how they know that these people can
can be violent, get arrested, they have their legal fees
paid for, and then as you said, they can kind
of just like you know, go back to their barista
job or whatever and go back to society like nothing happened.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Do you think that Berkeley, especially with tp USA involved,
you know, once again victims of violent violence and their supporters.
Do you think this may be a turning point or
a threshold because you know, we said when Charlie was
shot that would be the turning point. So, you know,
is it going to keep creeping along? What's your prediction?
(21:53):
We have about a minute and a half. I'll give
you the last word.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I think it will keep creeping along.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I think that there's going to be more violent Unfortunately,
I don't think you know, everyone thought that things were
going to change after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That clearly isn't true.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I mean, you know, Democrats just elected an actual violent person,
or at least he thought about it, you know, being
assassinating people in Virginia like they unabashed about that. I
think that this is sort of who they are right
now because they're backed into a corner. And unfortunately, there's
going to be more of this, and that's why we
need to be so vigilant about making sure that people
(22:28):
are safe when they are trying to speak peacefully.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
In about thirty seconds, can you sum up what happened
in Minneapolis? Because the FDL the farmers and the Labor
Party chose omar Fate by you know, sixty percent to
run against the income at Jacob Fry, but Jacob wound
up winning. Is what's that a signal of? Do you think?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, well, this is something that I hope more and
more people start talking about. Is that the only reason
Jacob Fry won is because there is a a an
African tribal blood among the Somalians in Minneapolis. This is
not even a joke that you know, omarph Ta is
part of one tribe. A lot of the voter base
(23:09):
is part of a different tribe and they refuse to
vote for omarpha Te because he's part of a different tribe.
I mean, this is insane stuff that they did, that
we have imported as Americans into America, that these African
tribal blood feeds are literally, uh, determining our mayoral elections.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But that's that's what's happening there.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
It's not you know, the Democrat like, it's just Somalians
voting for people based off of these you know, these
these blood feuds.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Berecon, I really appreciate your insight. I'd like to talk
with you about that more in the future. All right, everyone, Breconfiez.
He's the White House correspondent for the Federalists, always informative.
I want to have you back to talk about all
this stuff, so thank you again.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
All Right, everybody got a great guest ahead, but we'll
talk about H one BVS. Hey, welcome back. You're watching
(24:14):
Breaking Point on Real America's Voice News. So grateful you
joined us today to watch the show. Hot topics out there,
one of them is the H one B visas and
here to discuss the pros and cons. Jeremiah Poff, the
editor of Restoring America at the Washington Examiner.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
How are you doing, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, it's great to have you here. And you know
you're a young guy, right. You talk to a lot
of guys and guys out there who have graduated college
with a six percent unemployment rate out there across the country.
Are they getting hurt by the H one B visa
program or are they taking the wrong types of you know,
(24:57):
getting the wrong types of degrees.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Well, I think there's two different aspects to this. One
is you definitely have people out there who are graduating
college and having trouble finding jobs, especially in tech that
they otherwise would be able to find if it weren't
for the fact that the you know, major tech companies
are using H one B visas to effectively have an
indentured servant servant workforce. They bring in a lot of these,
(25:23):
you know, immigrants from primarily from India, and they pay
them below poverty wages, way more than, way less than
what an American worker would work for, and that worker
then effectively becomes, you know, in a certain sense, enslaved
to the corporation.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
By by the.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Visa because as soon as the visas linked to the job.
So that's one part of it. But you also have
people the system has been used not just to block
out would be employees who are recent college graduates. It's
actually also been used from other from companies that have
fired their own their native born workforce and then and
(26:09):
then filled those positions with H one b's as well.
So you actually have two issues here, not just for
college grads and young people, but also for the entire
American workforce at large.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, and you were saying, and I know you've done
extensive research on this, that the colleges benefit too. What
kind of games did they play with it?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Yeah, so you actually there are two sets of H
one B visas. One is a lottery that is that
the companies apply for and they use that to get
there the workers that they want through the program. The
other way that you can get them, and this is
is by colleges and universities that effectively sponsor the H
one B applicants. That's why you say that there's I
(26:51):
think there's about eighty thousand visas that go into the lottery,
but there's another forty thousand or so that are given
out through this system to to colleges and universities to
hire immigrants and recent a lot of some of them
go to recent grads from the university themselves that are
from abroad. But again in another situation where a lot
(27:13):
of these jobs you know, in theory could probably be
filled by American workers, but the salary requirements just aren't
aren't aren't there, And these entities, whether it's a college
or a company, view it as a way to cut costs.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Basically, so companies like Amazon, the single largest H one
B sponsors, hired like ten thousand and twenty four and
ten thousand again in twenty twenty five, Microsoft, Apple, Meta
JP Morgan Chase hired a few thousand, you know, So
my question in Cisco right Cisco Systems, Kevin O'Leary right
(27:55):
has spoken out against the fee one hundred thousand dollars
fee right to come here that Trump's proposing, saying that
we're going to pass up on skilled foreign workers who
have the necessary you know, background in certain sectors, and
China's going to scoop them up and they're going to
and startups in America won't be able to hire enough talent.
(28:22):
What do you say to those critics?
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I think one of the things that he misses is
that the program is not really being used as a
what is not really casting a wide net for these
workers in the first place. So the clearest evidence of
this is that the single largest beneficiary of h mbvsas
is India, followed by China. So you're talking about two
countries that, you know, even though they're the two most
(28:45):
populous countries on Earth, they are disproportionately represented in the
HMB pool. And so really you're what you're doing is
a Again, the companies are looking for employees that they
can pay less do the same work that in many
cases an American could do. And so they they're not
(29:06):
really looking for the breast and the brightest, they're looking
for who's going to work at the lowest wage. And
one of the ways that Trump has tried to address this,
and I think this is why. I think part of
the reason why this is a good idea is the
one hundred thousand dollars fee kind of forces the companies
to put them their money where their mouth is if
they really want these employees to come work for them jobs,
(29:29):
right exactly, So if you're really trying to attract the
best and the brightest, you better pay them as if
they're the best in the brightest too. And you I
mean in Nvidia, I think said that they would pay
the one hundred thousand dollars fee, and they didn't, and
they kind of left it at that, whereas a lot
of other companies, as you mentioned, have been kind of,
you know, wringing their hands about it. And I think
that goes to show the difference in mentality there is
(29:51):
like we need these people from abroad because they actually
have the skills, versus we're just trying to shoehorn people
into our workforce that we can pay at a very
very low wave and make and increase our profit margins.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah. One of my very good friends works for Amazon
and everybody's foreign, you know, and it's like, you know,
they probably you know, so they have a million people
in the workforce and fairness though, and the H one
b's hires for this year, I think we're about ten thousand,
but they're getting rid of jobs that people dependent on,
(30:25):
right and raising families.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah, And I think you know, when you're talking about it,
you're also talking about a time when AI disruption is
creating another whole challenge in the workforce for native workers,
and that includes tech workers. I mean, there are plenty
of American born tech workers that are losing their jobs
right now because of AI. I mean, I'm sure they
would be happy to take some of those same jobs
that are going to that are right now going to
H one bbs the holders.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, And it's always been shifting and the outsourcing of
you know, even just customer service jobs. Every time you
pick up the phone, you're talking to somebody in South Asia,
you know. But you know, companies like IBM and other
you know, all these guys lost their jobs and they
went down and like Cisco absorbed them and other tech companies,
and you know, maybe Intel and Cisco and other things
(31:12):
like that, But can you think of any particular industries
where H one visas H one B visas benefit the
American economy?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Again, I think that the program itself is designed to
displaced American workers, and I think you can't really have
a conversation about bringing in foreign talent until you fundamentally
reform the system and make it more like a heavily
merit based system rather than a lottery.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can you see a phase in as a solution to
maybe lower the numbers from sixty five thousand to a
bachelor degrees twenty thousand who have higher degrees, and then
you're saying another forty thousand, is it something we can
phase out and then focus more on our kids to
get better degrees.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
I think the first thing that you can really do
is just make sure that the that the get rid
of the lottery entirely and start handing them out to
whoever pays the most you hand out. You start handing
out the visas in descending orders, starting with the highest salary,
because that's part of the application that has to go through,
and you also have to weed out a whole bunch
of fraud that goes into the system too, because a
(32:19):
lot of these companies, because they're looking to fill positions
with h onebs, will actually use will submit different app
entries for the same position, which is again really trying
to game the system.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
And so I think, you know, as.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
A very very bare minimum, I think the one hundred
thousand dollars fee is a good step. I think switching
it from a lottery to a a pay based allocation
would be another good step. And then you can start
you might see how the companies react because if they
really need these jobs, these people for these positions, then
they'll still be applying for them.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
But if not, they you know, they'll start looking domestically
for domestic talent.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We have about a minute left. Tell us about what
about You know, Bannon was railing against lut Nick because
they were claiming that this is going to close the
deficit raising all this money, which means how many people
are you going to let in? What do you say
to critics of the one hundred thousand dollars fee.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
I think they need to think about what really this
program is for and if they're if these workers are
really worth it, you should have no problem paying for
that fee.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, Okay, well listen, I really appreciate your knowledge on
this and i'd love to have you back. I'm sure
this issue is not going away anytime soon, Jeremiah, so
thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
All Right, everybody, Jeremiah Poff, the editor of Restoring America
at the Washington Examiner. It is a really complicated issue here,
and you know, we want to put American jobs first,
and I think that's what's important here. Kids are coming
out of college and can't find work. And I think
a lot of people feel that AI. And my son's
(33:58):
in AI related business and he thinks that like half
of three quarters at the entry level jobs a gold
to go away. So you know, that could be a
bigger problem going forward. And if companies are looking to
say kind of cheat the system and hire people for
long periods of time at reduced rates over an American citizen,
(34:20):
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it goes. I understand a few sides here. It's going
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the Marines, other services, but we were eventually victorious. And
there is this incredible movie, The Last six hundred meter
is The Battles of the Jaff and Fellujah out on Amazon.
I have the director with us, Michael Pack, but I
want to play you this trailer. Check this out. It
was almost as though there was a boogeyman out there.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
We were facing a lot more enemy than we had
the capability to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Dug trenches, they fortified houses, They were ready. We wanted
to go. We were just waiting on the edge of
a knife. When are we going to get to go?
The order is seize the city.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
RPGs, small arms fire from everywhere.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Come.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I told him that I wanted to go, and he
looked at me and said, so, you're going to die.
The destruction is just horrible.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
The hardest thing about fighting this enemy is they're not
afraid to die. They're not afraid to die.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
How do you fight them? Wrapped?
Speaker 6 (38:04):
No down, Be prepared to start at one end of
the city and fight your way through to the other end.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
There's firing going on, there are grenades being thrown in
the house.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Became hand to hand fighting. It was so close. Two
selfless marines run across this kill zone four times to
pull marines out of there. I wasn't worried about, you know,
(38:47):
getting shot or getting wounded. I was worried about the
guys to my left and right.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
You always want to reassure these men that they've done
their duty, because that memory is seared into their soul.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
They never forget it.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
None of us do.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Foreign policy. I don't make it. I just delivered the
last six hundred meters of it. I'm so honored to
have with us the director of the last six hundred meters,
The Battles of Najaff and Fallujah, Michael Pack. Welcome to
(39:29):
the show.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
Thank you for having me on, David. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I watched the movie. Just extraordinary, and a lot of
this footage and interviews that took place where only either
from the joffre in Fallujah or just two or three
years later back in seven right.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
That's right. They were all conducted in a six as seven,
So two or three years after the battle, when the
people in that were interviewing that we're in the battle
and their memories were fresh, and they're about the same
age as the footage.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
And that's how we worked it.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
We we found the footage first, then we found the
soldiers and ranges that were in the footage, and they
tell their story direct to camera, looking right at the camera,
without any comment by me or any spin or any narration.
They tell their story, and we aim to tell the
story of these two battles without politics. Really the two
biggest battles of the war. As it says in the trailer,
(40:22):
the two biggest battles in America has fought since Vietnam.
And I think we owe it to the veterans to
understand what happened in these battles and what they did there.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, for sure, it was incredible. And the pressures from
the Shiites in the south and the Sunnis in the west,
and the Island bar Province post surge when Bush added
more troops there and taking back these villages that were
under pressure from al Qaeda and all these dynamics Felusha
and Najaf was a game changer for America over there.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
But tell us the story, Well, it's the first. It's
the first battle Fallujah and the job from the second
Battle of Fallusiah. The first battle Fallujah started when four
Blackwater contractors were coming through the town. They were killed, burned,
dragged through the streets of Fallujah, and two of them
were hung from a bridge. And then Iraqi insurgents and
(41:17):
children even celebrated and danced underneath their charred bodies. And
that was so shocking that it was determined to take
to clear the city of insurgents against the advice in
the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Actually, and.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
The act of clearing a city is violent one.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You have to smash indoors.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
You've got to figure out who's a civilian and who's
an insurgent. And the unfavorable media Al Jazer and others
were able to spin it so that looked bad for
the Marines and they were forced to stop and then
finally negotiate with the Iraq insurgeons handed over to the
so called Fallujah Brigade, who ran it for six months
(42:00):
as a said of safe haven where they could store
arms and other things, and it became series of torture
chambers and beheadings occurred there and that forced the Marines
to go through a second time. And that's the second
Battle of Fallujah, And in between is the Battle of
Najaf against Shia insurgence the Mahdi Army in the south,
(42:20):
and it too is swept up in the complex political
and religious changes of the war.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, maybe some missed opportunities because these battles took place
before the surge and they went in the second time.
They were kind of like their their forward movement was
cut off right and they had to go back in
and we lost a lot of troops, right, we lost
about seventy just in Fallujah alone, right, US Marines, and
(42:53):
you know it was a hotbed. And then you had
Zarkawi involved and tell us about a little bit about
the troops on the ground.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
Yeah, I mean says Zarkawi was the leader of the
al Qaida in Iraq, and which was this most of
the force in Fallujah and the second battle Fallujah. To
avoid the negative look of the first battle, they asked everybody,
all civilians to leave. They announced when they were coming in.
So all the civilians left, as did most of the
(43:21):
al Qaeda leadership and went to nearby Ramadi, including Zarkawi,
and then the fleets cleared the city house by house,
street by street. Is so little of it in the trailer,
and you know they did finally do it, but they
didn't press on. You know, the leadership was in Ramadi.
They they were not They were just not able to
press on until the surge. And it was years later
(43:44):
that we finally executed Zarkawi under President Trump.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
And you know it's just they you.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
Know, these are very complicated wars, these counterinsurgencies and you're
the political military leadership back in Washington's constantly deal with
world opinion and you know, the hearts and minds of
the populace. And you can see the effect on the
Marines on the ground. They're frustration and not finishing the fight.
I mean, that's one thing. Yeah, that's pretty deep in
(44:13):
the Marine Corps. Start a fight, finish it.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, because they expressed some of that sentiment in the
film that you know, they had a lot of forward
momentum after regaining these these victories in Najaf and Fallujah.
But you know, guys like Paul Bremer and General Abozade
were I guess sensitive to the political pressures and everything,
and once again our troops get caught in the middle
of it, right, So, but their faith never wavered and
(44:38):
they were there for their brothers on the ground, and
it was just it was just a spellbinding movie.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
I got to say, well, thank you, and I want
people to have exactly that impression. I mean, whatever you
think of the war, I mean, it's been a long
time for us to get this film, you know on
the air. It was broadcast on PBS at prime time
right before Veterans Day and appropriate time for it and
as you say, now it's streaming on Amazon, and I
(45:07):
think now twenty one years after the battles, maybe people
can look back without being clouded by politics and ideology.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Whatever you think of the war.
Speaker 8 (45:16):
We should sort of look at what these people did
and appreciate it. They put their lives on the line
for us, and many of them, as you just pointed out,
you know, gave the ultimate sacrifice and many, many more
were wounded. You could see some of the wounded even
in the trailer, so you know, we need to appreciate that.
Whatever you think of the war, and maybe maybe the
time is right to look back at it.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
But I myself have moved even in the.
Speaker 8 (45:39):
Trailer, but most so in the film was seeing, you know,
the heroic efforts of these young men, and some of
them are very young. You know, we look at it
from the corporal sergeant level up to the one star
general that's in the field only people in the battle.
But the young ones, the corporals and sergeants, they're like
in their late teens, early twenties, and they're you know,
they're asked to show a lot of heroismste to make
(46:01):
very complex political decisions. It's very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, just Steller and that last six hundred meters was right.
You're safe in the skies, you're safe in the in
the oceans with American military might. But on the ground
in the end, you got to take those last six
hundred meters. I can in the joff with the mosque,
right which they weren't allowed to even touch or bomb,
and troops were hiding in there against them. And one
(46:26):
thing that really moved me was despite all the technology
that was available to the US, it was the Marines
who took it back on the ground with guns and
bonts bayonets in close combat quarters. We have less than men.
I'll give you the last word.
Speaker 8 (46:39):
Absolutely, that's right. It comes down to, as one of
the marine says, where the metal meets the meat. The
last six hundred meter is what that one sniper says
he could see through his sniperscope. That's right.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
At the end.
Speaker 8 (46:52):
You have to trust the heroism, courage and grit of
these very very young people. There's one woman and mostly men,
mostly Marines. I mean, I think it's inspiring. I try
not to self sell the horrors of war and the
struggles and the surrealness of it, but I hope your
listeners watch it on Amazon. They can also go to
(47:13):
our websites matafold Productions dot com, where there's the trailer
and more information, and Palladium Pictures dot Com, our most
recent film company for even newer films and other things.
So I think, even though Veterans Day is a few
days past, any day is a good day to honor
veterans if you ask me.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, I played golf thee of the day in Jupiter
with the warriors, choice guys, people who fought in Fallujah.
Just unbelievable, the best of the best. Michael Pack, thank
you for joining us and let us know about new projects.
Please go, everybody and get the movie on Amazon today.
The last six hundred meters. Thank you again. Thank you, David,
Thank you for watching Breaking Points today. I'll see you
(47:55):
next time.
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