June 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Human Events on Real America's Voice
Segment A: Iran Missile Strikes US Bases in Qatar
Segment B: President Trump’s Remarkable Response to Iran’s Nuclear Program
Segment C: The Neocons’ Rally Cry For Regime Change in Iran
Segment D: The Psychology of Evangelicals Supporting War in the Middle East
Segment E: How is the MSM ‘Upselling’ the Potential for Escalation in Iran?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth
generation warfare.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Really a commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy
intelligence veteran, This.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Is Human Events with your host Jack Posovic christ is
for the first time in US military history the US
directly bombed are any nuclear facilities.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
He strikes were a spectacular military success. Iranski nuclear and
Richmond facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Going into this attack, President Trump was very focused in
his team on what would happen next and what he
was saying. This had to be a one and done attack,
focused solely on those nuclear sites. He didn't want to
get bogged into a longstanding war. If there was a
follow up to be done, it was to be done
by the Israelis. The decision on whether or not this
escalates and whether the United States gets involved into a
(01:01):
deeper conflict in the Middle East is no longer Donald
Trump's decision.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
It is up to the Iranians.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
As the President has directed and made clear, this is
most certainly not open ended.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
We will respond if necessary.
Speaker 8 (01:12):
The most powerful military in the world is postured and
prepared to defend our people. But what the President gave
us as I said, was a focused, powerful and clear
mission on the destruction of Iranian nuclear capabilities.
Speaker 9 (01:26):
Oil futures are spiking in reaction to the turmoil in
the Middle East, and investors do fear that Iran would
disrupt what is global shipping via the Strait of Homus.
Speaker 10 (01:37):
Is the United States now at.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
War with Iran?
Speaker 10 (01:39):
No Christian, We're not at war with Iran. We're at
war with Iran's nuclear program. And what we did is
we destroyed the Iranian nuclear program. I think we set
that program back substantially, and we did it without endangering
the lives of the American pilots.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
All right, folks, check sovik here live Washington, DC. Here
today is June twenty third, twenty twenty five, Ano Domini.
Just moments ago, Iran conducted retilatory strikes on US air bases,
particularly one in Qatar, the Aladid Air Base, which is
held there.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We're also told though by US officials that all missiles
were intercepted after being fired from Iran. Guys that we
can get a map up of the Persian goal so
people know what we're talking about, and we want people
to be able to understand that this was intercepted some
of the rockets if they did fall.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Down, that the damage was minimal.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Were told no injuries, no casualties as of this point,
and it also seems as though this is the end
of the retaliation. And if this is the end of
the retaliation, President Trump and also some US officials briefing
on background, that it looks as though they're calling it
a failed retaliation and thus not requiring an escalation, and
(03:05):
if so, this could potentially be an off ramp being
offered by the Iranians saying they don't want to break
this thing out into a wider scale war with the
United States. However, the neocons on the other hand, and guys,
if you could just put that map up that the
neocons are still still foaming at the mouth, or a
(03:29):
full on war on Iran, a full on war, because that's.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
What they want, that's what they wanted all along.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You got Jack Deane over there on Fox News saying, oh,
he felt emotional looking at all of this Institute for
the Study of War that has studied everything wrong about
the Ukraine War from day one. Jackie, maybe you could
be an intern here at Human Events Daily and we
could check that out, and then you got other neocons
like Mark Levin up there trying to redefine what MAGA
(03:58):
is trying to redefine. And it's the same old two
thousand and three, right, Mark Levin, who said he would
never vote for Donald Trump, comes out and just like
in two thousand and three, you are not patriotic if
you don't support this war, it's not patriotic. And then
he went and even said that perhaps we should give
nukes to Ukraine, which is strange because I was told
(04:20):
that all of this was about non proliferation. We don't
want to see the proliferation of nukes, So why are
you suggesting that we give nukes to a non nuclear country?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Folks?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The neocons are added again. But Human Events Daily is
here to draw the line in the stand. This retaliatory strike,
whatever it was, seems more like a work than anything else.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Seems like a little bit of theater. It seems like
pay fabe.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Seems like the Iranians are presenting that off ramp, and
I think that President Trump is signaling that this will
not require a response from the United States.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Revember, we told you before, We've already brought.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Our groups and our planes out of there, and what
America first truly means. Welcome to the Second American Revolution,
All right, folks. Jack Posovic back here live Human Events Daily, Washington,
d C breaking down all the updates. The Pentagon now
(05:20):
putting out statements regarding this attack. And it looks as
though we said that it seems that this is the
end of it. It seems though the retaliation was may
or may not have meant to be a little bit
of theater, a little bit of kay fabe, as they
say in the pro wrestling community. I want to bring
(05:40):
on now the Dcpro chief for BRAT Part News, Matt Boyle. Matt,
you actually have the DoD report? Can you give that
to us?
Speaker 11 (05:49):
Yeah, So here, I'm gonna look down on my phone
so I can read this statement for you. So this
is from the DoD that they can confirm that Al
DD Air Base and I'm probably not pronouncing right, and
Katar was attacked today by short and medium arrange ballistic
missiles originating from Iran.
Speaker 12 (06:06):
At this time, there.
Speaker 11 (06:06):
Are no reports of American casualties. We are closely monitoring
this situation. Will provide additional information as it becomes available. Look,
I think the big picture here is is that, first off,
let me preface this by saying, we.
Speaker 12 (06:18):
Only know what we know, and we don't know what
we don't know. We'll see as things develop here.
Speaker 11 (06:23):
But the big picture here is is that I think
this is why we elected President Trump. I think he's
handled this masterfully since the very beginning. He's shown thoughtful
deliberation and consternation as he's made as he made a
very critical decision to send in the B two bombers
(06:44):
over the weekend to take out the nuclear sites in Iran,
and the other missile strikes that you saw the Tomahawk
missiles from the Navy ships that they used on the
other sides. This is a huge moment for the president.
It's a legacy defining moment. I think he's handled it masterfully.
(07:05):
And now we're seeing what appears to be and again
this is early, so we don't know if there's other
things coming or if there's other stuff going on. What
appears to be a chance for de escalation and a
shot to do exactly what President Trump set out to
do on this, which was this was a one and
done thing right like the US did its part. I
(07:25):
think that the speech you saw from President Trump on
Saturday night, which was very short where he was flanked
by the Secretary's of State and Defense as well as
the Vice President. When he announced this to the nation
into the world, you know, it was a little bit
bellicost right, So he was up there very aggressive with
the Iranians talking about future strikes as a possibility. And
(07:47):
I think a lot of America First folks were a
little bit perturbed by that. But I think that the
point of that speech was to deter any serious Iranian
response and it seems to have worked right so again,
and I think that the point here is is that.
Speaker 12 (08:03):
People across the America First Movement.
Speaker 11 (08:07):
I've been saying this throughout the entire process here, dating
back two weeks now since Israels began striking a ram,
is that people have trusted the president. I think that
the MAGA America First movement is unified behind President Trump.
They want to see that they have a lot of
trust in him, and frankly, they have a lot of
distrust in our establishment and institutions, etcetera. The intelligence agencies,
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the Pentagon, etc. And rightfully so, because of the failures
of leaders in both political parties for the last thirty
or so years really dating back to the post rontal
Reagan era. Both Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Biden. You know, all
of these presidents have done serious damage to the credibility
(08:53):
of our various institutions, are intelligence agencies and our military institutions.
Speaker 12 (08:58):
But I think President Trump.
Speaker 11 (09:00):
Is bringing it back, and I think this is a
big part of the reason why too, you're seeing huge
numbers booms and recruiting right Like, I was speaking this
weekend to the Navy's US Navy Secretary, a spokeswoman who's
our former Pentagon correspondent from bright By.
Speaker 12 (09:15):
Christina Wong.
Speaker 11 (09:16):
She was telling us that they've already three months ahead
of schedule, already hit the fiscal years recruiting goals for
the United States Navy, and that's because Americans have confidence
in President Trump. And I think that as President Trump
navigates this really powerless situation in the Middle East, I
think he's done a masterclass and we'll see where things
(09:36):
go from here. But I do believe that America first
leaders have the utmost confidence in President Trump, and I
think he's handled it well. And I think that the
people you know in the neo coong globalist establishment.
Speaker 12 (09:50):
That are pushing for more are wrong.
Speaker 11 (09:52):
And I think that the people in the Democrats side
that are pushing for lesser wrong. I think President Trump
has struck an incredible balance here and again how he
handles this moving forward very similar to this solo many strike.
Speaker 12 (10:06):
This is a legacy defining.
Speaker 11 (10:09):
Moment for him as president, as president of the United States,
and where we go from here and what happens next,
you know, and again all the proper caveats here. If
we don't know what we don't know, and we do
know what we do know. But things are looking good
for President Trump.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And I think that President Trump clearly drew a line
around this nuclear program, saying that this was always going
to be his main priority when it came to this situation. Obviously,
there are going to be questions as we go down
the line between Israel and Iran and how much longer
(10:48):
that air campaign will come down. We talked about here
on this program, the worry of air attrition and whether
or not Israel can keep up the air defense that
they've been conducting. Actually, just as we were preparing for
the show, I was watching some of the air defense
over Kiev, because they're getting hit right now, the Russians
are still, by the way, rocking Kiev, and they're really
(11:09):
advancing along the front lines. Because a lot of people
aren't paying attention to that will. Everyone's distracted, and of
course Keev looking as though it's air defense resources are
running low as well. Because this is a finite world
and conservative, by the way, this is something that can
mix conservatives different from liberals. We understand that we live
in a world of finite resources. Liberals don't seem to
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quite grasp that. And so when we look at all
of this, the question, of course for President Trump is
what is the best America first way through the entire thing.
And to your point, I think he's played very well
and I think he understands that for the US to
get involved at a higher level the way you're hearing
all these neo cons call for is just not something
(11:52):
that there's an appetite for.
Speaker 12 (11:55):
Yeah, no, I think that's right.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
But again, a lot depends on advance from here, right
like and so, and I do think that people have
the utmost confidence and trust in President Trump to handle
it well. And again, it's sad that we have to
go through this, right but the reason why we have
to have this debate, and this discussion openly is because
of the failures of people like George Bush, and the
(12:16):
failures of people like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and
George H. W. Bush, like all of these loser presidents
right of both parties, really did a number on the
credibility of our government. And President Trump is having to
dig us out of this mess. But I again, I
think that if you compare the way that Bush handled
(12:36):
the Rack to the way that Trump is now handling Iran,
it's just night and day better. And I think that
under Trump here, and I think that.
Speaker 12 (12:47):
The President is going to continue to look.
Speaker 11 (12:50):
I always tell people, because I know President Trump really well,
I always tell people this, and I've talked to him
so many times over the last decade plus, right like
even before he came down the escalator, when he came
down the escalator that day, I was standing at the bottom,
and then I did the first interview with him up
in his office later that day in the twenty sixth
floor Trump Tower. That was that was a little over
a decade ago, decade and a week ago or something.
(13:13):
I always tell people one of his best qualities and
you don't only see this because you don't only see
it when the cameras are rolling. He's an excellent listener,
right so he's always soliciting feedback in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Say all the time. I said, he never gets credit for.
Speaker 12 (13:28):
It, never gets credit for it.
Speaker 11 (13:30):
He's an excellent listener, and he's really trying to strike
the right balance. And he's very thoughtful and deliberative, right like.
And I think that as he made this decision going
into last week, you know, I think he went back
and forth on it and he was really seriously, you know,
he wasn't sure.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
By the way.
Speaker 11 (13:48):
It was funny because you saw the reporters there in
the White House when he was putting up the flagpoles
last week, trying to nail him down on oh are
you going to do it?
Speaker 12 (13:56):
And when are you going to do it? And like
he's He's like, you don't know what I'm going to do.
You don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't even
think he knew what he was going to do.
Speaker 11 (14:03):
I think he was still soliciting information from different people
and different opinions and considering it and then he made
his decision. And I think that the America First Movement,
which President Trump created and built stands behind him. And
I think that all of these establishing media people that
are out there saying that there's division in the MAGA
movement and so on, there is no division. I think
(14:25):
that people are very unified behind President Trump. They support
him as this is going forward, and they know that
he's handling it very thoughtfully and carefully, and he's trying
to not get us dragged into a long term war
conflict in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Now, we've got a quick break coming up right now,
books with Matt Woll, the Washington Bureau chief of Bright
Bartney would be right back back to Sofa Human Events.
Speaker 13 (14:47):
Real American Boy, Welcome back to this Real America's Voice
(15:08):
news break.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
We appreciate you being here with us. Some Terrance Bates.
Speaker 13 (15:11):
We're continuing to give more information about a RAN's attack
on a US facility in Cutter, Saudi Arabia. Now out
with the statement condemning in the strongest terms a RAN's
attack against that military base there in Cutter, the Kingdom's
Foreign ministry actually describing the action as a violation of
international law and saying that it affirmed its full support
(15:31):
for Cutter itself. We're also hearing that there are no
injuries to US military personnel there. In the meantime, President
Trump has met with his national security team at the
White House. All of this, of course, following Saturday's massive
attack on Iran's main nuclear facility and two others. You're
looking at video here posted from the White House of
the B two bombers that dropped those so called bunker
(15:53):
busting bombs on the Fodah.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Plant in Iran.
Speaker 13 (15:56):
As you can see, the planes are now safely back
in the United States after touch down at Whiteman Air
Force Base in Missouri. That following a thirty six hour
mission that included the bombing of those nuclear facilities in Iran,
and as we continue to watch this video of that
plane touchdown on the other side of the country. Protesters
(16:16):
in New York took to the streets on Sunday to
demonstrate against the attack and war. Similar marches were staged
in Los Angeles, Austin, Boston, Chicago, as well as Washington,
d C. However, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth explaining on
Sunday what the attacks were truly all about.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
This mission was not and has not been, about regime change.
The President authorized a precision operation to neutralize the threats
to our national interests posed by.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
The Iranian nuclear program.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
And the collective self defense of our troops and our
ally Israel.
Speaker 13 (16:56):
And as for the effectiveness of those bombings, President Trump says,
Roun's the nuclear sites sustained quote monumental damage. Defense officials
are still working to determine the full extent of that damage.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Though. That's a great check off your headlines. As always,
we appreciate you being here with us.
Speaker 13 (17:11):
Now let's get you back to human events daily with
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Speaker 12 (17:21):
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Speaker 1 (17:36):
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We're on again with Matt Boyle here. He's the Washington
Bureau chief of Brady Barton News. Matt, Look, we're you know,
(18:52):
we're in DC. We're talking about all this. President Trump
still has a huge domestic agenda that he's working to
push on Capitol Hill. Do you think all of this
layer up of foreign affairs is going to play into
getting votes back on board for the big beautiful bill,
these other agenda items that he's been talking about. Where
(19:15):
do you think it stands in terms of all that?
Speaker 10 (19:17):
Well?
Speaker 11 (19:17):
Yeah, look, I would just say, well, first off, I
spoke to the Senate Majority Leader John Thune on Saturday,
because he back in early May he had told me
that the goal out of the Senate, assuming the House
was able to hit its goal of Memorial Day of
getting their bill out of the House, which they did,
and as I told the Speaker Mike Johnson when I
was talking to him after that, they came in under
(19:39):
budget and ahead of schedule, right, which was great.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Out of the House.
Speaker 11 (19:43):
The Senate Majority Leader was saying that they want to
get the bill out of the Senate to the President
by July fourth, and so I asked the Senate Majority
Leader if that's still on track, and you know, July
fourth is next weekend, right, It's a week from Friday, right.
Speaker 14 (19:56):
So we'll like, you know, a little over a week
and a half from that.
Speaker 11 (20:01):
So he said that they are right. Like, so I
believe that by the way, they're going through what's called
the Bird bath right now in the US Senate. That's
named for Robert Bird, the former Senate Majority leader, where
they go through the process of determining what can and
cannot go through the reconciliation bill process, which is a
budget gimmick that allows them to pass stuff on a
(20:21):
fifty one vote threshold rather than a sixty vote threshold,
so they don't have to do the nuclear option.
Speaker 12 (20:26):
Get rid of the filibuster.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
Philibuster obviously important because if the Democrats, you know, and
when they retake the Senate that they will you know,
ram through all sorts of radical things.
Speaker 12 (20:36):
The filibusters are checking a balance there against that.
Speaker 14 (20:38):
So they're going through that process right now.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
But I do think that the events that you're seeing
in the Middle East, particularly with regard to energy, are
probably going to increase the urgency for this right like
because one of the things that you saw this this
morning for President Trump, he came out and said to
the Energy Department, droll baby, drill righter. Secretary Chris Right Now,
tomorrow morning here in Washington, DC, I'm going to interview
(21:04):
Secretary right at a bright Bart event.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
We're going to carry video.
Speaker 11 (21:08):
Live on Breitbart dot Com, and I'm sure we'll be
picked up in other places, but we're going to talk
about exactly this.
Speaker 12 (21:15):
Now.
Speaker 11 (21:16):
There are things in this big beautiful build on energy
that are extremely important, like, for instance, mandatory permits given
out for auctions where the energy companies will bid to
This will raise major revenue for the federal.
Speaker 12 (21:34):
Government, but it will also get the.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
Energy going for offshore drilling in the Gulf of America
as well as onshore drilling throughout the continental US, as
well as.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Up in Alaska.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
So we're going to talk all about that with the
Secretary right and the factors that are in this legislation.
Speaker 12 (21:49):
And the President is.
Speaker 11 (21:50):
Exactly right to focus on that because you're hearing the
Iranians talk about possibly trying to close the straight to
her moves. If they close that straight down, there's a
lot of energy that goes through that straight Now, it's
not going to completely shut down energy development and trade
trade throughout the world, but it would have a big
(22:12):
impact on things, and so the world will have to
adjust the US being energy dominant, right like. And President
Trump has made a national match just to Council right
where there's just chared by run out of Arry Bergham
and Secretary right, extremely important.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Here absolutely, And just before we run out of time,
I want to throw out that oil prices are down
right now because it looks as though Iran has ended
its retaliation. So we are seeing that price a Brent
oil go down just as we're we're tracking many things
here on the program, and that certainly is one of
the mat where could people go to get all of
your breaking updates and follow everything you're putting.
Speaker 14 (22:50):
Out right Bart dot com and I'm on X Twitter
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Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, Matt, it's it's about time you finally got back
on X because we need your plugged in voice and
everybody needs as much analysis as they can get as
we go through these turbulent times. Is everyone enjoying the
Fourth Turning? We told you it would happen, and we
told you that President Trump.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Was demand to see it. Will be right back, Jack p.
Speaker 13 (23:15):
Zovic, Real American's Voice, Terrence Bate's here with your Real
(23:37):
America's Voice News Break. Thanks so much for being here
with us. We want to begin with the very latest
on that Iranian air strike on a US Air Force
base and Cutter. In fact, here's some of the video
that we have of that particular attack. You can see
the missiles coming in here. The US military confirming now
that no casualties are being reported. This happened at the
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ol you Did Air base. They're in Cutter. Were told
that there were short range and medium range ballistic missiles
fired at that US installation there.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
There is confirmation also from Iran.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
Saying that they did in fact fire those in fact,
Iran saying that they fired the exact number of bombs
on that particular installation as we're fired on the nuclear
sites there in Iran. Who of course, will continue to
follow this as it appears, at least to many watching
that this was a response from Iran but also an
effort to de escalate. I'm not so sure I understand
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how you de escalate when you fire on US officials,
but that is what the reporting is out right now. Meantime,
the bodies of three more hostages who had been held
by Hamas and Gaza are now back home.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Where they belong.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
The Israeli military says it recovered the remains of twenty
one year old Yonatan Samorano, seventy year old Afra Kadar,
and ninety year nineteen year old excuse me, Shay Levinson.
They were reportedly killed during Hamas's October seventh attack. The
military grew the militant group excuse me, is holding still
about fifty hostages.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Less than half are.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
Believed to be alive, though there's no word how the
latest bodies were recovered. However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natyaw
who says, and I'm quoting here, the campaign to return
the hostages continues consistently and is happening alongside the campaign
against Iran and back here in the United States, law
enforcement is on heightened alert for a potential retaliatory attack
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here on home soil following Saturday's US bombings in Iran.
Surveillance of Iran backed operatives who are here in the
US are reportedly intensified amid concerns of HESBOLO linked sleeper
cells here in the United States.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
That's a quick check of your headlines.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
Hey, Jack, where's Jack?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Where's Jack? Worth it? Jack?
Speaker 12 (25:57):
I want to see you.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Great job, Jack, Thank you, what the job you do?
Speaker 9 (26:04):
You know, we have an incredible thing.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
We're always talking about.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The fake news and demand, but we have guys, and
these are the guys who are forgetting pulishes.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
All right, Jack, something Here are back Live Human Events Daily, Washington,
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Speaker 3 (26:18):
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Speaker 3 (26:56):
It's very quick and it can happen within moments.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Also, make sure you check your back seat when you
get out, especially if you have small children.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You're not leave them in there. They're sleeping, you're running around.
Just don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Sick of these headlines when you hear people do it,
Just don't do it. As simple as that folks want
to bring on Joshua Lesec now the co author of Humans,
The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How To Brush Them,
to go through a little bit of what we're seeing
from the mainstream media right now, and particularly as regards
(27:31):
to something that I talked about last week, get into
that in one second, Joshua, how are you good?
Speaker 15 (27:37):
Brand Andy?
Speaker 16 (27:38):
A little bit swiltering here, in Ohio, Jack but coming through.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Okay, guys, we have Joshua's audio. I'm not hearing it
on my end.
Speaker 15 (27:49):
Let's see can get me back here.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Let's try that again.
Speaker 15 (27:52):
Let's try that again. Let's try that again.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But folks, what I've been calling this is the regime
change up sell this idea that the mainstream media and
the neocons know that President Trump is totally against getting
into these forever wars. And of course we know, and
Kurt Mills tweeted this earlier that a forever war isn't
called a forever war when it starts a little bit
(28:17):
by a little bit by a little bit, and it
wrapped its up. And if you are a certain age,
you remember how these things get started. Well, he's always
said that he's against the nuclear program. Okay, got it,
take care of the strikes. Nuclear program gets hit, their
knocked back ears or whatever exactly it is. We're waiting
to see the battle damage assessment from that, waiting to
(28:37):
see the military declassify some of this information.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But you can see the neocons, and I'll say something right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Now, it seems like the neocons are upset that US
soldiers didn't get killed in these Iranian strikes today because
I saw a neocon and I've got all your tweets
safe and I saw them saying, Oh, the US has
to declare war in Iran right now, US has to
declare warren around right now.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
In ee regime change regime, James.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
They're actually they're acting like they're upset up there that
US soldiers didn't get killed or didn't get hurt, or
that US jets weren't hurt.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
It's disgusting and it's sick.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Do we have Joshua.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's interesting, Oh, Joshua, we got you very perfect. So Joshua,
you're the persuasion expert.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Am I seeing this? Am I seeing things? Or is
this happening?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Are they trying to upsell the President of the United
States and all of us on regime Jamee?
Speaker 9 (29:34):
Oh?
Speaker 16 (29:34):
Yes, they have been doing this, the neo conservative characters,
neoliberal characters for a very long time now. And you
and I also collaborated on a little book called Bulletproof,
The First and Only Investigation the Attempt to Asassin sure
the President Donald J. Trump, and we wrote about the
intended escalation by the military industrial complex over the Iranian
(29:56):
plots hypothesis that Thomas Matthew Crooks, the Butler, Pennsylvania shooter,
was in fact in league with the Iranian Intelligence Service,
and we found that there was simply no evidence of
that scenario. It's a little bit plausible, but we point
out that the sustained military engagement and defense spending which
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benefits military industrial complex, could very well be behind that
narrative for which we found no evidence for a unspoken
by most reason why the neo conservative crowd who call
themselves Christians in many cases an unspoken reason why there
is such almost like a desire for war, and the
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reason has to do with bad theology. There is a
type of eschatology which has to do with one's belief
and end times, let's say, called pre millennial dispensationalism. That
is a lot of syllables right there in that mouthful.
But characters like Mike Pince, the former vice president who
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is praising President Donald J.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
Trump.
Speaker 16 (31:06):
We have Mark Levin, we have other characters who are
on the right. They're evangelical Christians who ascribed to this idea.
That and Ted Kruz spoke about this on the interview
with Tucker Carlson that the modern state of Israel, founded
in nineteen forty eight, is somehow the fulfillment of Old
Testa biblical prophecies that are about the Jews return to
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their homeland following the Babylonian exile.
Speaker 15 (31:35):
I don't think that's the case, folks, I don't think
that's the case.
Speaker 16 (31:37):
So Senator Ted Cruz is giving his let's say, religious
motivation for intervening in the Middle East.
Speaker 15 (31:46):
And so the fact that the United States is not
in a shooting war is to not declaring war on an.
Speaker 16 (31:50):
Adversary of the modern state of Israel is in this
set of beliefs, it's somehow going to set the rapture
back a number of years, a number of decades, and
Jesus ain't gonna come back until there is a war
in the Middle East in the United States gets wiped out,
which by the way, is a big part of this
predictive framework of the rapture and the end times.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You you, Josh, let me let me run that through
if I can. And and and folks, now, I'm Roman Catholic,
I'm Polish. You pretty much come in one flavor in
terms of that. So uh, you know, you know, we
don't have this eschatology at all. So so what you're
saying is this is a version of and let's I
don't want to get into the theology debate of it.
(32:33):
What we're saying is this is a different version of
what what's got our good friends Scott Adams and uh,
you know, peace be upon him. That can be a
sort of different movie, same movie, different screens. So we're
all watching the same movie. And yet other people who
look at it, who believe in this, they view all
(32:53):
of these as the fulfillment of a, if I understand correctly,
a series of prophecies that indicate the return of Christ.
And so while a lot of people look at this
and they say, wait a minute, you know, okay, we
don't like nukes, right, we don't like you don't like
religious nut jobs like the theocrats in Iran getting new
(33:13):
for we're going to blow them up or you know,
end the program by other means. Okay, that's number one.
But we also don't like World War three, so we
don't want that, and we certainly don't like the idea
of the price of gas going up to six dollars
of a gallon at the summertime.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
But what you're saying, is there's even another group that
looks at and this and this.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
By the way, you know, if you're someone who has
these beliefs, there are understand there are people who don't
who are also Christians. So what you're saying is they
might actually be rooting this on because of this worldview.
Speaker 16 (33:44):
Yes, this worldview that I'm laying out, This this eschatology
of like end times prophecy was popularized first amongst the
baby boomer generation in the late nineteen seventies and eighties
by a character named Hal Lindsay. The number one best
selling book of the nineteen eighties is called The Late
Great Planet Earth, and it was laying out everything I've
just said. The nineteen forty eight refounding of the state
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of Israel is literally in the Bible, the modern Jewish
state is literally God's chosen people. Israel is the clock
is something that how Lindsay said, And then tens of
millions of Americans grew up, came of age, and then
many of them became bureaucrats, politicians, and neocons with this
information environment, and part of the set of prophecies is
(34:28):
that the biblical lands of Gog and Magog are referring
to modern day Russia and Iran. So when Evangelical Christians
who have this eschatology, this background, when they see these
headlines about Russia saying this, Iran saying this, they go, that's.
Speaker 15 (34:45):
Literally in the Bible, world War three is going to happen.
They're going to invade Israel.
Speaker 16 (34:50):
But wait a second, as how lindsay, let's say John Hagy,
TD Jakes and others who put forward this idea, wait
a second in Russia are literally obviously in the Old
Testament prophecy in the Book of Daniel and Ezekiel and
so on and so forth. Isaiah right, they would say,
the United States of America isn't in here. So the
(35:11):
United States of America must have been absolutely wiped out
in a nuclear war. So the only way for Judics
to come back is for the United States to no
longer exist. And it is it gets a little bit
dark when.
Speaker 15 (35:22):
You realize this.
Speaker 16 (35:23):
But yet this is what I heard as a child
growing up in this particular sect of evangelical Christianity.
Speaker 15 (35:29):
And while they don't say this, they don't all say
this openly.
Speaker 16 (35:34):
I don't believe we should be following the neo conservative
evangelicals who believe the decisions they're going to make will
necessarily result in the destruction of the United States of America.
Lindsay Graham, Ted Cruz, Mike Pence. These are probably not
the influencers that we should be taking our Council from
with regard to making peace not war.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And Joshua when we look at all of this, that
this is something where you can see and I'm sure
there's a variety of interests right. I've talked about how
I'm sure the Arab monarchies, who are no fans of
the Persians, they're looking at those oil fields across Iran
along the Persian Gulf and they're licking their chops thinking
that they can perhaps get access or gain control there.
(36:17):
I've talked about how regime chain schemes. I went on
Timpool last week and broke down all of Operation AGEAX
and how that was a scheme between the CIA and
originating with the MI six to overthrow the duly elected
Prime Minister of Iran, reinstall the shop and completely blew
up on our faces and led to the Iranian Revolution.
(36:40):
So the thing with these regime change operations is they
always seem good, but then everybody forgets that the enemy
gets a vote, and they always.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Seem to spiral out of control.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I can't necessarily think of a single one that's actually
gone well for the United States or for anyone in
any of these regions. But Joshua, that's what it comes
down to, because there for put it this way, war
is a racket. And for those on the warmonger side,
they seriously want want for a variety of reasons, as
(37:09):
you've laid out, one of the bigger ones, they actually
want to see the US go to war.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Isn't that right?
Speaker 15 (37:15):
That's right.
Speaker 16 (37:16):
So we have both the religious and the economic arguments
for war, war, war, when in reality I don't believe
that that's what the American people want. Every survey, every
poll shows how despairingly unpopular regime change, anyrant is amongst
not just Trump voters, but Americans more broadly and also
(37:39):
throughout the world. There is simply not an appetite to
do this once again. Even though there is for some
a religious motivation to escalate, there's financial benefit and escalating
for the military industrial complex. It's just simply not necessary
for our president of peace to from my perspective, and
(38:00):
there is that there is a temptation for upsell. Well
it was just the one, uh, you know nuclear strikes. Well, actually,
you know, maybe there's other sites. Well maybe we need
to do this, Maybe we need to do that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And I want to when we come back, I actually
want to ask you about the psychology of up selling,
you know, because this this is something a tactic that
people can possibly look into on.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Their in their own daily basis when they know that
it's coming up.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
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and Joshua the co author of the books Unhumans, as
well as Bulletproof, the first book that we you and
I wrote together, the first book all about President Trump's
two assassination attempts. By the way, there was a foreign
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country that had a connection to one of those attempts,
out of the country of Ukraine, because Ryan Wesley Routh,
of course, was a Ukrainian foreign fighter and appeared in
propaganda videos for the as of But but Joshua, we
were talking about and I've talked about this all last week,
called the regime change up sell and I see it
all across the media. This constant propaganda is that, Wow,
(41:09):
well you can't just do one strike, mister President.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
You got to go in.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You got to do the full regime change, regime change
up sell, to upsell, the upsell, the upsale. I got
written up in the Washington Post. They didn't write it properly,
but I did get written up for coining this phrase,
the regime change upsell.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But Joshua walk us through the psychology of up selling.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Right this idea that like you go to a dentist,
so I got a toothache, You go to the dentis
and and suddenly you're paying for all this work. Same
idea when you go to an auto shop and Shane
Gillis has this this new sitcom out all about auto shops,
and they'd specifically explained to you in that show how
when you come in just retires or just thro and
oil change, they're trying to upsell you on all this
(41:48):
other work.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Walk us through the psychology of up selling. Why does
it work?
Speaker 16 (41:53):
The reason why it works is twofold, and we're sitting
with the Iran regime change upsell right now. The first
reason upselling as a sales technique tactic works is the
foot in the door technique. So ultimately you have perhaps
this large value sale that you're ultimately going towards, but
you start with something that is a little crack open,
(42:16):
that is reasonable, and it is dismissable, and it just
makes sense, and all the logic is there, and enough
people or in this case, is enough argument for agreement
with it.
Speaker 15 (42:27):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I have a cavity, for.
Speaker 16 (42:30):
Example, with a dentist example, And then it turns out
you get your X rays done and you have fifty cavities.
Slight exaggeration, but not by much. And then the next
reason kicks in, which is a sunk cost fallacy. You know,
you've been here all day getting all this dental work done,
and we had the cleaning, we had the dentist, we
had these X rays, and just look at all the
stuff that needs to get done, and you've already spent
(42:51):
so much time and effort and chi ching with this
work here being done, and that it would just all
go to way, it would all just be so wasted
if we didn't. And that's how the United States military
stayed in Vietnam for so long.
Speaker 15 (43:10):
Perpetual cross cells and up cells. Well, we just need
to do this, We just need to do that.
Speaker 16 (43:15):
Remember with Afghanistan, Oh it's just Osama bin Laden, Oh
actually has weapons of mass destruction. Oh, actually, the whole
system's got to go. Same with Arab spring. Oh it's
just Kadaffi. Oh now it's just Egypt. Oh now it's
just Siria. Oh now it's just And ultimately we have
these these massive conflicts where Americans blood is being shed needlessly.
(43:39):
If you talk to any global war on terrorism veterans
from that particular period, was the American soldier put first?
Did we support the troops by these perpetual ross cells
and up cells? Many will say absolutely not, absolutely not.
And so we see the same set of techniques. The
open door, you know, crack it open a little bit,
(44:00):
it's very reasonable, and once you get into the chair,
it's it's rapped on there.
Speaker 15 (44:04):
You can up some them like mad with the sunk
cost fallacy.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Of course, So Joshua, what are ways then to counter this.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Let's say you know you're going you're going to the dentist,
you go, you're dropping your car off at the audio
at the auto body shop or the auto service center,
and you know that you know what's going to happen,
you know that you're you're about to beget into the pressure.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
What are some tactics people can used to counter this?
Speaker 12 (44:27):
What is jack?
Speaker 15 (44:28):
What is the most masculine word in English language is
the word no? That's right.
Speaker 16 (44:35):
I found myself without irony and not as a joke
and a dentist's chair a few weeks ago, and I
got hit with the upside. I went for a cleaning
and get regularly. But of course they bring out the
membership and it's cheaper if you do this today, and
you're always going to be paying this.
Speaker 15 (44:50):
It's cheaper if you do this x rays oh and
this and this and all the cavities.
Speaker 16 (44:55):
And I saw, I looked it over and I just said,
thank you, no, And they were taken aback.
Speaker 15 (45:02):
They were a little bit shocked, like he was supposed
to say yes, right, he just said no.
Speaker 16 (45:07):
So the American people to the regime change up sell
and I run. We can simply say no, there's not
any need for arguments or back and forth with statistics
and studies or data or no. No, and we can
enforce that note with primaries with feet on the ground
or not when it comes to elections, coming up with
phone calls, with emails, with causing trouble of redial media
(45:31):
and reaching out to Donald treadible of people who understand
what the war over there was really like during two
thousand and one to twenty fifteen or so.
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This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth
generation warfare.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Really a commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy
intelligence veteran, This.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Is Human Events with your host Jack Posovic christ is
for the first time in US military history the US
directly bombed are any nuclear facilities.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
He strikes were a spectacular military success. Iranski nuclear and
Richmond facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Going into this attack, President Trump was very focused in
his team on what would happen next and what he
was saying. This had to be a one and done attack,
focused solely on those nuclear sites. He didn't want to
get bogged into a longstanding war. If there was a
follow up to be done, it was to be done
by the Israelis. The decision on whether or not this
escalates and whether the United States gets involved into a
(01:01):
deeper conflict in the Middle East is no longer Donald
Trump's decision.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
It is up to the Iranians.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
As the President has directed and made clear, this is
most certainly not open ended.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
We will respond if necessary.
Speaker 8 (01:12):
The most powerful military in the world is postured and
prepared to defend our people. But what the President gave
us as I said, was a focused, powerful and clear
mission on the destruction of Iranian nuclear capabilities.
Speaker 9 (01:26):
Oil futures are spiking in reaction to the turmoil in
the Middle East, and investors do fear that Iran would
disrupt what is global shipping via the Strait of Homus.
Speaker 10 (01:37):
Is the United States now at.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
War with Iran?
Speaker 10 (01:39):
No Christian, We're not at war with Iran. We're at
war with Iran's nuclear program. And what we did is
we destroyed the Iranian nuclear program. I think we set
that program back substantially, and we did it without endangering
the lives of the American pilots.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
All right, folks, check sovik here live Washington, DC. Here
today is June twenty third, twenty twenty five, Ano Domini.
Just moments ago, Iran conducted retilatory strikes on US air bases,
particularly one in Qatar, the Aladid Air Base, which is
held there.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We're also told though by US officials that all missiles
were intercepted after being fired from Iran. Guys that we
can get a map up of the Persian goal so
people know what we're talking about, and we want people
to be able to understand that this was intercepted some
of the rockets if they did fall.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Down, that the damage was minimal.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Were told no injuries, no casualties as of this point,
and it also seems as though this is the end
of the retaliation. And if this is the end of
the retaliation, President Trump and also some US officials briefing
on background, that it looks as though they're calling it
a failed retaliation and thus not requiring an escalation, and
(03:05):
if so, this could potentially be an off ramp being
offered by the Iranians saying they don't want to break
this thing out into a wider scale war with the
United States. However, the neocons on the other hand, and guys,
if you could just put that map up that the
neocons are still still foaming at the mouth, or a
(03:29):
full on war on Iran, a full on war, because that's.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
What they want, that's what they wanted all along.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You got Jack Deane over there on Fox News saying, oh,
he felt emotional looking at all of this Institute for
the Study of War that has studied everything wrong about
the Ukraine War from day one. Jackie, maybe you could
be an intern here at Human Events Daily and we
could check that out, and then you got other neocons
like Mark Levin up there trying to redefine what MAGA
(03:58):
is trying to redefine. And it's the same old two
thousand and three, right, Mark Levin, who said he would
never vote for Donald Trump, comes out and just like
in two thousand and three, you are not patriotic if
you don't support this war, it's not patriotic. And then
he went and even said that perhaps we should give
nukes to Ukraine, which is strange because I was told
(04:20):
that all of this was about non proliferation. We don't
want to see the proliferation of nukes, So why are
you suggesting that we give nukes to a non nuclear country?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Folks?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The neocons are added again. But Human Events Daily is
here to draw the line in the stand. This retaliatory strike,
whatever it was, seems more like a work than anything else.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Seems like a little bit of theater. It seems like
pay fabe.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Seems like the Iranians are presenting that off ramp, and
I think that President Trump is signaling that this will
not require a response from the United States.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Revember, we told you before, We've already brought.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Our groups and our planes out of there, and what
America first truly means. Welcome to the Second American Revolution,
All right, folks. Jack Posovic back here live Human Events Daily, Washington,
d C breaking down all the updates. The Pentagon now
(05:20):
putting out statements regarding this attack. And it looks as
though we said that it seems that this is the
end of it. It seems though the retaliation was may
or may not have meant to be a little bit
of theater, a little bit of kay fabe, as they
say in the pro wrestling community. I want to bring
(05:40):
on now the Dcpro chief for BRAT Part News, Matt Boyle. Matt,
you actually have the DoD report? Can you give that
to us?
Speaker 11 (05:49):
Yeah, So here, I'm gonna look down on my phone
so I can read this statement for you. So this
is from the DoD that they can confirm that Al
DD Air Base and I'm probably not pronouncing right, and
Katar was attacked today by short and medium arrange ballistic
missiles originating from Iran.
Speaker 12 (06:06):
At this time, there.
Speaker 11 (06:06):
Are no reports of American casualties. We are closely monitoring
this situation. Will provide additional information as it becomes available. Look,
I think the big picture here is is that, first off,
let me preface this by saying, we.
Speaker 12 (06:18):
Only know what we know, and we don't know what
we don't know. We'll see as things develop here.
Speaker 11 (06:23):
But the big picture here is is that I think
this is why we elected President Trump. I think he's
handled this masterfully since the very beginning. He's shown thoughtful
deliberation and consternation as he's made as he made a
very critical decision to send in the B two bombers
(06:44):
over the weekend to take out the nuclear sites in Iran,
and the other missile strikes that you saw the Tomahawk
missiles from the Navy ships that they used on the
other sides. This is a huge moment for the president.
It's a legacy defining moment. I think he's handled it masterfully.
(07:05):
And now we're seeing what appears to be and again
this is early, so we don't know if there's other
things coming or if there's other stuff going on. What
appears to be a chance for de escalation and a
shot to do exactly what President Trump set out to
do on this, which was this was a one and
done thing right like the US did its part. I
(07:25):
think that the speech you saw from President Trump on
Saturday night, which was very short where he was flanked
by the Secretary's of State and Defense as well as
the Vice President. When he announced this to the nation
into the world, you know, it was a little bit
bellicost right, So he was up there very aggressive with
the Iranians talking about future strikes as a possibility. And
(07:47):
I think a lot of America First folks were a
little bit perturbed by that. But I think that the
point of that speech was to deter any serious Iranian
response and it seems to have worked right so again,
and I think that the point here is is that.
Speaker 12 (08:03):
People across the America First Movement.
Speaker 11 (08:07):
I've been saying this throughout the entire process here, dating
back two weeks now since Israels began striking a ram,
is that people have trusted the president. I think that
the MAGA America First movement is unified behind President Trump.
They want to see that they have a lot of
trust in him, and frankly, they have a lot of
distrust in our establishment and institutions, etcetera. The intelligence agencies,
(08:32):
the Pentagon, etc. And rightfully so, because of the failures
of leaders in both political parties for the last thirty
or so years really dating back to the post rontal
Reagan era. Both Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Biden. You know, all
of these presidents have done serious damage to the credibility
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of our various institutions, are intelligence agencies and our military institutions.
Speaker 12 (08:58):
But I think President Trump.
Speaker 11 (09:00):
Is bringing it back, and I think this is a
big part of the reason why too, you're seeing huge
numbers booms and recruiting right Like, I was speaking this
weekend to the Navy's US Navy Secretary, a spokeswoman who's
our former Pentagon correspondent from bright By.
Speaker 12 (09:15):
Christina Wong.
Speaker 11 (09:16):
She was telling us that they've already three months ahead
of schedule, already hit the fiscal years recruiting goals for
the United States Navy, and that's because Americans have confidence
in President Trump. And I think that as President Trump
navigates this really powerless situation in the Middle East, I
think he's done a masterclass and we'll see where things
(09:36):
go from here. But I do believe that America first
leaders have the utmost confidence in President Trump, and I
think he's handled it well. And I think that the
people you know in the neo coong globalist establishment.
Speaker 12 (09:50):
That are pushing for more are wrong.
Speaker 11 (09:52):
And I think that the people in the Democrats side
that are pushing for lesser wrong. I think President Trump
has struck an incredible balance here and again how he
handles this moving forward very similar to this solo many strike.
Speaker 12 (10:06):
This is a legacy defining.
Speaker 11 (10:09):
Moment for him as president, as president of the United States,
and where we go from here and what happens next,
you know, and again all the proper caveats here. If
we don't know what we don't know, and we do
know what we do know. But things are looking good
for President Trump.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And I think that President Trump clearly drew a line
around this nuclear program, saying that this was always going
to be his main priority when it came to this situation. Obviously,
there are going to be questions as we go down
the line between Israel and Iran and how much longer
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that air campaign will come down. We talked about here
on this program, the worry of air attrition and whether
or not Israel can keep up the air defense that
they've been conducting. Actually, just as we were preparing for
the show, I was watching some of the air defense
over Kiev, because they're getting hit right now, the Russians
are still, by the way, rocking Kiev, and they're really
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advancing along the front lines. Because a lot of people
aren't paying attention to that will. Everyone's distracted, and of
course Keev looking as though it's air defense resources are
running low as well. Because this is a finite world
and conservative, by the way, this is something that can
mix conservatives different from liberals. We understand that we live
in a world of finite resources. Liberals don't seem to
(11:30):
quite grasp that. And so when we look at all
of this, the question, of course for President Trump is
what is the best America first way through the entire thing.
And to your point, I think he's played very well
and I think he understands that for the US to
get involved at a higher level the way you're hearing
all these neo cons call for is just not something
(11:52):
that there's an appetite for.
Speaker 12 (11:55):
Yeah, no, I think that's right.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
But again, a lot depends on advance from here, right
like and so, and I do think that people have
the utmost confidence and trust in President Trump to handle
it well. And again, it's sad that we have to
go through this, right but the reason why we have
to have this debate, and this discussion openly is because
of the failures of people like George Bush, and the
(12:16):
failures of people like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and
George H. W. Bush, like all of these loser presidents
right of both parties, really did a number on the
credibility of our government. And President Trump is having to
dig us out of this mess. But I again, I
think that if you compare the way that Bush handled
(12:36):
the Rack to the way that Trump is now handling Iran,
it's just night and day better. And I think that
under Trump here, and I think that.
Speaker 12 (12:47):
The President is going to continue to look.
Speaker 11 (12:50):
I always tell people, because I know President Trump really well,
I always tell people this, and I've talked to him
so many times over the last decade plus, right like
even before he came down the escalator, when he came
down the escalator that day, I was standing at the bottom,
and then I did the first interview with him up
in his office later that day in the twenty sixth
floor Trump Tower. That was that was a little over
a decade ago, decade and a week ago or something.
(13:13):
I always tell people one of his best qualities and
you don't only see this because you don't only see
it when the cameras are rolling. He's an excellent listener,
right so he's always soliciting feedback in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Say all the time. I said, he never gets credit for.
Speaker 12 (13:28):
It, never gets credit for it.
Speaker 11 (13:30):
He's an excellent listener, and he's really trying to strike
the right balance. And he's very thoughtful and deliberative, right like.
And I think that as he made this decision going
into last week, you know, I think he went back
and forth on it and he was really seriously, you know,
he wasn't sure.
Speaker 12 (13:47):
By the way.
Speaker 11 (13:48):
It was funny because you saw the reporters there in
the White House when he was putting up the flagpoles
last week, trying to nail him down on oh are
you going to do it?
Speaker 12 (13:56):
And when are you going to do it? And like
he's He's like, you don't know what I'm going to do.
You don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't even
think he knew what he was going to do.
Speaker 11 (14:03):
I think he was still soliciting information from different people
and different opinions and considering it and then he made
his decision. And I think that the America First Movement,
which President Trump created and built stands behind him. And
I think that all of these establishing media people that
are out there saying that there's division in the MAGA
movement and so on, there is no division. I think
(14:25):
that people are very unified behind President Trump. They support
him as this is going forward, and they know that
he's handling it very thoughtfully and carefully, and he's trying
to not get us dragged into a long term war
conflict in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Now, we've got a quick break coming up right now,
books with Matt Woll, the Washington Bureau chief of Bright
Bartney would be right back back to Sofa Human Events.
Speaker 13 (14:47):
Real American Boy, Welcome back to this Real America's Voice
(15:08):
news break.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
We appreciate you being here with us. Some Terrance Bates.
Speaker 13 (15:11):
We're continuing to give more information about a RAN's attack
on a US facility in Cutter, Saudi Arabia. Now out
with the statement condemning in the strongest terms a RAN's
attack against that military base there in Cutter, the Kingdom's
Foreign ministry actually describing the action as a violation of
international law and saying that it affirmed its full support
(15:31):
for Cutter itself. We're also hearing that there are no
injuries to US military personnel there. In the meantime, President
Trump has met with his national security team at the
White House. All of this, of course, following Saturday's massive
attack on Iran's main nuclear facility and two others. You're
looking at video here posted from the White House of
the B two bombers that dropped those so called bunker
(15:53):
busting bombs on the Fodah.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Plant in Iran.
Speaker 13 (15:56):
As you can see, the planes are now safely back
in the United States after touch down at Whiteman Air
Force Base in Missouri. That following a thirty six hour
mission that included the bombing of those nuclear facilities in Iran,
and as we continue to watch this video of that
plane touchdown on the other side of the country. Protesters
(16:16):
in New York took to the streets on Sunday to
demonstrate against the attack and war. Similar marches were staged
in Los Angeles, Austin, Boston, Chicago, as well as Washington,
d C. However, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth explaining on
Sunday what the attacks were truly all about.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
This mission was not and has not been, about regime change.
The President authorized a precision operation to neutralize the threats
to our national interests posed by.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
The Iranian nuclear program.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
And the collective self defense of our troops and our
ally Israel.
Speaker 13 (16:56):
And as for the effectiveness of those bombings, President Trump says,
Roun's the nuclear sites sustained quote monumental damage. Defense officials
are still working to determine the full extent of that damage.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Though. That's a great check off your headlines. As always,
we appreciate you being here with us.
Speaker 13 (17:11):
Now let's get you back to human events daily with
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Speaker 12 (17:21):
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We're on again with Matt Boyle here. He's the Washington
Bureau chief of Brady Barton News. Matt, Look, we're you know,
(18:52):
we're in DC. We're talking about all this. President Trump
still has a huge domestic agenda that he's working to
push on Capitol Hill. Do you think all of this
layer up of foreign affairs is going to play into
getting votes back on board for the big beautiful bill,
these other agenda items that he's been talking about. Where
(19:15):
do you think it stands in terms of all that?
Speaker 10 (19:17):
Well?
Speaker 11 (19:17):
Yeah, look, I would just say, well, first off, I
spoke to the Senate Majority Leader John Thune on Saturday,
because he back in early May he had told me
that the goal out of the Senate, assuming the House
was able to hit its goal of Memorial Day of
getting their bill out of the House, which they did,
and as I told the Speaker Mike Johnson when I
was talking to him after that, they came in under
(19:39):
budget and ahead of schedule, right, which was great.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Out of the House.
Speaker 11 (19:43):
The Senate Majority Leader was saying that they want to
get the bill out of the Senate to the President
by July fourth, and so I asked the Senate Majority
Leader if that's still on track, and you know, July
fourth is next weekend, right, It's a week from Friday, right.
Speaker 14 (19:56):
So we'll like, you know, a little over a week
and a half from that.
Speaker 11 (20:01):
So he said that they are right. Like, so I
believe that by the way, they're going through what's called
the Bird bath right now in the US Senate. That's
named for Robert Bird, the former Senate Majority leader, where
they go through the process of determining what can and
cannot go through the reconciliation bill process, which is a
budget gimmick that allows them to pass stuff on a
(20:21):
fifty one vote threshold rather than a sixty vote threshold,
so they don't have to do the nuclear option.
Speaker 12 (20:26):
Get rid of the filibuster.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
Philibuster obviously important because if the Democrats, you know, and
when they retake the Senate that they will you know,
ram through all sorts of radical things.
Speaker 12 (20:36):
The filibusters are checking a balance there against that.
Speaker 14 (20:38):
So they're going through that process right now.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
But I do think that the events that you're seeing
in the Middle East, particularly with regard to energy, are
probably going to increase the urgency for this right like
because one of the things that you saw this this
morning for President Trump, he came out and said to
the Energy Department, droll baby, drill righter. Secretary Chris Right Now,
tomorrow morning here in Washington, DC, I'm going to interview
(21:04):
Secretary right at a bright Bart event.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
We're going to carry video.
Speaker 11 (21:08):
Live on Breitbart dot Com, and I'm sure we'll be
picked up in other places, but we're going to talk
about exactly this.
Speaker 12 (21:15):
Now.
Speaker 11 (21:16):
There are things in this big beautiful build on energy
that are extremely important, like, for instance, mandatory permits given
out for auctions where the energy companies will bid to
This will raise major revenue for the federal.
Speaker 12 (21:34):
Government, but it will also get the.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
Energy going for offshore drilling in the Gulf of America
as well as onshore drilling throughout the continental US, as
well as.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Up in Alaska.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
So we're going to talk all about that with the
Secretary right and the factors that are in this legislation.
Speaker 12 (21:49):
And the President is.
Speaker 11 (21:50):
Exactly right to focus on that because you're hearing the
Iranians talk about possibly trying to close the straight to
her moves. If they close that straight down, there's a
lot of energy that goes through that straight Now, it's
not going to completely shut down energy development and trade
trade throughout the world, but it would have a big
(22:12):
impact on things, and so the world will have to
adjust the US being energy dominant, right like. And President
Trump has made a national match just to Council right
where there's just chared by run out of Arry Bergham
and Secretary right, extremely important.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Here absolutely, And just before we run out of time,
I want to throw out that oil prices are down
right now because it looks as though Iran has ended
its retaliation. So we are seeing that price a Brent
oil go down just as we're we're tracking many things
here on the program, and that certainly is one of
the mat where could people go to get all of
your breaking updates and follow everything you're putting.
Speaker 14 (22:50):
Out right Bart dot com and I'm on X Twitter
at mboil one on X.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, Matt, it's it's about time you finally got back
on X because we need your plugged in voice and
everybody needs as much analysis as they can get as
we go through these turbulent times. Is everyone enjoying the
Fourth Turning? We told you it would happen, and we
told you that President Trump.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Was demand to see it. Will be right back, Jack p.
Speaker 13 (23:15):
Zovic, Real American's Voice, Terrence Bate's here with your Real
(23:37):
America's Voice News Break. Thanks so much for being here
with us. We want to begin with the very latest
on that Iranian air strike on a US Air Force
base and Cutter. In fact, here's some of the video
that we have of that particular attack. You can see
the missiles coming in here. The US military confirming now
that no casualties are being reported. This happened at the
(23:57):
ol you Did Air base. They're in Cutter. Were told
that there were short range and medium range ballistic missiles
fired at that US installation there.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
There is confirmation also from Iran.
Speaker 13 (24:09):
Saying that they did in fact fire those in fact,
Iran saying that they fired the exact number of bombs
on that particular installation as we're fired on the nuclear
sites there in Iran. Who of course, will continue to
follow this as it appears, at least to many watching
that this was a response from Iran but also an
effort to de escalate. I'm not so sure I understand
(24:30):
how you de escalate when you fire on US officials,
but that is what the reporting is out right now. Meantime,
the bodies of three more hostages who had been held
by Hamas and Gaza are now back home.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Where they belong.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
The Israeli military says it recovered the remains of twenty
one year old Yonatan Samorano, seventy year old Afra Kadar,
and ninety year nineteen year old excuse me, Shay Levinson.
They were reportedly killed during Hamas's October seventh attack. The
military grew the militant group excuse me, is holding still
about fifty hostages.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Less than half are.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
Believed to be alive, though there's no word how the
latest bodies were recovered. However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natyaw
who says, and I'm quoting here, the campaign to return
the hostages continues consistently and is happening alongside the campaign
against Iran and back here in the United States, law
enforcement is on heightened alert for a potential retaliatory attack
(25:26):
here on home soil following Saturday's US bombings in Iran.
Surveillance of Iran backed operatives who are here in the
US are reportedly intensified amid concerns of HESBOLO linked sleeper
cells here in the United States.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
That's a quick check of your headlines.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
Hey, Jack, where's Jack?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Where's Jack? Worth it? Jack?
Speaker 12 (25:57):
I want to see you.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Great job, Jack, Thank you, what the job you do?
Speaker 9 (26:04):
You know, we have an incredible thing.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
We're always talking about.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The fake news and demand, but we have guys, and
these are the guys who are forgetting pulishes.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
All right, Jack, something Here are back Live Human Events Daily, Washington,
d C.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Beautiful flags flying over the White House.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You could see that great shot right there, Jefferson Memorial
in the background. It is a sweltering day here in
the DC area, all up and down the East coast.
So if you got a swimming pool, make sure you
take care of that. Also when you go in the pool,
keep in mind keep an eye on those kids when
they go swimming. It's something that I always have to
(26:43):
say in summertime, and people don't realize that drowning doesn't
look like it does you know on a TV. You know,
you know on TV or like in a movie with
all the screaming and splashing, notes actually very quiet.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It's very quick and it can happen within moments.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Also, make sure you check your back seat when you
get out, especially if you have small children.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You're not leave them in there. They're sleeping, you're running around.
Just don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Sick of these headlines when you hear people do it,
Just don't do it. As simple as that folks want
to bring on Joshua Lesec now the co author of Humans,
The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How To Brush Them,
to go through a little bit of what we're seeing
from the mainstream media right now, and particularly as regards
(27:31):
to something that I talked about last week, get into
that in one second, Joshua, how are you good?
Speaker 15 (27:37):
Brand Andy?
Speaker 16 (27:38):
A little bit swiltering here, in Ohio, Jack but coming through.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Okay, guys, we have Joshua's audio. I'm not hearing it
on my end.
Speaker 15 (27:49):
Let's see can get me back here.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Let's try that again.
Speaker 15 (27:52):
Let's try that again. Let's try that again.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But folks, what I've been calling this is the regime
change up sell this idea that the mainstream media and
the neocons know that President Trump is totally against getting
into these forever wars. And of course we know, and
Kurt Mills tweeted this earlier that a forever war isn't
called a forever war when it starts a little bit
(28:17):
by a little bit by a little bit, and it
wrapped its up. And if you are a certain age,
you remember how these things get started. Well, he's always
said that he's against the nuclear program. Okay, got it,
take care of the strikes. Nuclear program gets hit, their
knocked back ears or whatever exactly it is. We're waiting
to see the battle damage assessment from that, waiting to
(28:37):
see the military declassify some of this information.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But you can see the neocons, and I'll say something right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Now, it seems like the neocons are upset that US
soldiers didn't get killed in these Iranian strikes today because
I saw a neocon and I've got all your tweets
safe and I saw them saying, Oh, the US has
to declare war in Iran right now, US has to
declare warren around right now.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
In ee regime change regime, James.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
They're actually they're acting like they're upset up there that
US soldiers didn't get killed or didn't get hurt, or
that US jets weren't hurt.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
It's disgusting and it's sick.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Do we have Joshua.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's interesting, Oh, Joshua, we got you very perfect. So Joshua,
you're the persuasion expert.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Am I seeing this? Am I seeing things? Or is
this happening?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Are they trying to upsell the President of the United
States and all of us on regime Jamee?
Speaker 9 (29:34):
Oh?
Speaker 16 (29:34):
Yes, they have been doing this, the neo conservative characters,
neoliberal characters for a very long time now. And you
and I also collaborated on a little book called Bulletproof,
The First and Only Investigation the Attempt to Asassin sure
the President Donald J. Trump, and we wrote about the
intended escalation by the military industrial complex over the Iranian
(29:56):
plots hypothesis that Thomas Matthew Crooks, the Butler, Pennsylvania shooter,
was in fact in league with the Iranian Intelligence Service,
and we found that there was simply no evidence of
that scenario. It's a little bit plausible, but we point
out that the sustained military engagement and defense spending which
(30:16):
benefits military industrial complex, could very well be behind that
narrative for which we found no evidence for a unspoken
by most reason why the neo conservative crowd who call
themselves Christians in many cases an unspoken reason why there
is such almost like a desire for war, and the
(30:41):
reason has to do with bad theology. There is a
type of eschatology which has to do with one's belief
and end times, let's say, called pre millennial dispensationalism. That
is a lot of syllables right there in that mouthful.
But characters like Mike Pince, the former vice president who
(31:02):
is praising President Donald J.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
Trump.
Speaker 16 (31:06):
We have Mark Levin, we have other characters who are
on the right. They're evangelical Christians who ascribed to this idea.
That and Ted Kruz spoke about this on the interview
with Tucker Carlson that the modern state of Israel, founded
in nineteen forty eight, is somehow the fulfillment of Old
Testa biblical prophecies that are about the Jews return to
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their homeland following the Babylonian exile.
Speaker 15 (31:35):
I don't think that's the case, folks, I don't think
that's the case.
Speaker 16 (31:37):
So Senator Ted Cruz is giving his let's say, religious
motivation for intervening in the Middle East.
Speaker 15 (31:46):
And so the fact that the United States is not
in a shooting war is to not declaring war on an.
Speaker 16 (31:50):
Adversary of the modern state of Israel is in this
set of beliefs, it's somehow going to set the rapture
back a number of years, a number of decades, and
Jesus ain't gonna come back until there is a war
in the Middle East in the United States gets wiped out,
which by the way, is a big part of this
predictive framework of the rapture and the end times.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You you, Josh, let me let me run that through
if I can. And and and folks, now, I'm Roman Catholic,
I'm Polish. You pretty much come in one flavor in
terms of that. So uh, you know, you know, we
don't have this eschatology at all. So so what you're
saying is this is a version of and let's I
don't want to get into the theology debate of it.
(32:33):
What we're saying is this is a different version of
what what's got our good friends Scott Adams and uh,
you know, peace be upon him. That can be a
sort of different movie, same movie, different screens. So we're
all watching the same movie. And yet other people who
look at it, who believe in this, they view all
(32:53):
of these as the fulfillment of a, if I understand correctly,
a series of prophecies that indicate the return of Christ.
And so while a lot of people look at this
and they say, wait a minute, you know, okay, we
don't like nukes, right, we don't like you don't like
religious nut jobs like the theocrats in Iran getting new
(33:13):
for we're going to blow them up or you know,
end the program by other means. Okay, that's number one.
But we also don't like World War three, so we
don't want that, and we certainly don't like the idea
of the price of gas going up to six dollars
of a gallon at the summertime.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
But what you're saying, is there's even another group that
looks at and this and this.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
By the way, you know, if you're someone who has
these beliefs, there are understand there are people who don't
who are also Christians. So what you're saying is they
might actually be rooting this on because of this worldview.
Speaker 16 (33:44):
Yes, this worldview that I'm laying out, This this eschatology
of like end times prophecy was popularized first amongst the
baby boomer generation in the late nineteen seventies and eighties
by a character named Hal Lindsay. The number one best
selling book of the nineteen eighties is called The Late
Great Planet Earth, and it was laying out everything I've
just said. The nineteen forty eight refounding of the state
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of Israel is literally in the Bible, the modern Jewish
state is literally God's chosen people. Israel is the clock
is something that how Lindsay said, And then tens of
millions of Americans grew up, came of age, and then
many of them became bureaucrats, politicians, and neocons with this
information environment, and part of the set of prophecies is
(34:28):
that the biblical lands of Gog and Magog are referring
to modern day Russia and Iran. So when Evangelical Christians
who have this eschatology, this background, when they see these
headlines about Russia saying this, Iran saying this, they go, that's.
Speaker 15 (34:45):
Literally in the Bible, world War three is going to happen.
They're going to invade Israel.
Speaker 16 (34:50):
But wait a second, as how lindsay, let's say John Hagy,
TD Jakes and others who put forward this idea, wait
a second in Russia are literally obviously in the Old
Testament prophecy in the Book of Daniel and Ezekiel and
so on and so forth. Isaiah right, they would say,
the United States of America isn't in here. So the
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United States of America must have been absolutely wiped out
in a nuclear war. So the only way for Judics
to come back is for the United States to no
longer exist. And it is it gets a little bit
dark when.
Speaker 15 (35:22):
You realize this.
Speaker 16 (35:23):
But yet this is what I heard as a child
growing up in this particular sect of evangelical Christianity.
Speaker 15 (35:29):
And while they don't say this, they don't all say
this openly.
Speaker 16 (35:34):
I don't believe we should be following the neo conservative
evangelicals who believe the decisions they're going to make will
necessarily result in the destruction of the United States of America.
Lindsay Graham, Ted Cruz, Mike Pence. These are probably not
the influencers that we should be taking our Council from
with regard to making peace not war.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And Joshua when we look at all of this, that
this is something where you can see and I'm sure
there's a variety of interests right. I've talked about how
I'm sure the Arab monarchies, who are no fans of
the Persians, they're looking at those oil fields across Iran
along the Persian Gulf and they're licking their chops thinking
that they can perhaps get access or gain control there.
(36:17):
I've talked about how regime chain schemes. I went on
Timpool last week and broke down all of Operation AGEAX
and how that was a scheme between the CIA and
originating with the MI six to overthrow the duly elected
Prime Minister of Iran, reinstall the shop and completely blew
up on our faces and led to the Iranian Revolution.
(36:40):
So the thing with these regime change operations is they
always seem good, but then everybody forgets that the enemy
gets a vote, and they always.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Seem to spiral out of control.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I can't necessarily think of a single one that's actually
gone well for the United States or for anyone in
any of these regions. But Joshua, that's what it comes
down to, because there for put it this way, war
is a racket. And for those on the warmonger side,
they seriously want want for a variety of reasons, as
(37:09):
you've laid out, one of the bigger ones, they actually
want to see the US go to war.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Isn't that right?
Speaker 15 (37:15):
That's right.
Speaker 16 (37:16):
So we have both the religious and the economic arguments
for war, war, war, when in reality I don't believe
that that's what the American people want. Every survey, every
poll shows how despairingly unpopular regime change, anyrant is amongst
not just Trump voters, but Americans more broadly and also
(37:39):
throughout the world. There is simply not an appetite to
do this once again. Even though there is for some
a religious motivation to escalate, there's financial benefit and escalating
for the military industrial complex. It's just simply not necessary
for our president of peace to from my perspective, and
(38:00):
there is that there is a temptation for upsell. Well
it was just the one, uh, you know nuclear strikes. Well, actually,
you know, maybe there's other sites. Well maybe we need
to do this, Maybe we need to do that.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And I want to when we come back, I actually
want to ask you about the psychology of up selling,
you know, because this this is something a tactic that
people can possibly look into on.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Their in their own daily basis when they know that
it's coming up.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
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and Joshua the co author of the books Unhumans, as
well as Bulletproof, the first book that we you and
I wrote together, the first book all about President Trump's
two assassination attempts. By the way, there was a foreign
(40:46):
country that had a connection to one of those attempts,
out of the country of Ukraine, because Ryan Wesley Routh,
of course, was a Ukrainian foreign fighter and appeared in
propaganda videos for the as of But but Joshua, we
were talking about and I've talked about this all last week,
called the regime change up sell and I see it
all across the media. This constant propaganda is that, Wow,
(41:09):
well you can't just do one strike, mister President.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
You got to go in.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You got to do the full regime change, regime change
up sell, to upsell, the upsell, the upsale. I got
written up in the Washington Post. They didn't write it properly,
but I did get written up for coining this phrase,
the regime change upsell.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But Joshua walk us through the psychology of up selling.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Right this idea that like you go to a dentist,
so I got a toothache, You go to the dentis
and and suddenly you're paying for all this work. Same
idea when you go to an auto shop and Shane
Gillis has this this new sitcom out all about auto shops,
and they'd specifically explained to you in that show how
when you come in just retires or just thro and
oil change, they're trying to upsell you on all this
(41:48):
other work.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Walk us through the psychology of up selling. Why does
it work?
Speaker 16 (41:53):
The reason why it works is twofold, and we're sitting
with the Iran regime change upsell right now. The first
reason upselling as a sales technique tactic works is the
foot in the door technique. So ultimately you have perhaps
this large value sale that you're ultimately going towards, but
you start with something that is a little crack open,
(42:16):
that is reasonable, and it is dismissable, and it just
makes sense, and all the logic is there, and enough
people or in this case, is enough argument for agreement
with it.
Speaker 15 (42:27):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I have a cavity, for.
Speaker 16 (42:30):
Example, with a dentist example, And then it turns out
you get your X rays done and you have fifty cavities.
Slight exaggeration, but not by much. And then the next
reason kicks in, which is a sunk cost fallacy. You know,
you've been here all day getting all this dental work done,
and we had the cleaning, we had the dentist, we
had these X rays, and just look at all the
stuff that needs to get done, and you've already spent
(42:51):
so much time and effort and chi ching with this
work here being done, and that it would just all
go to way, it would all just be so wasted
if we didn't. And that's how the United States military
stayed in Vietnam for so long.
Speaker 15 (43:10):
Perpetual cross cells and up cells. Well, we just need
to do this, We just need to do that.
Speaker 16 (43:15):
Remember with Afghanistan, Oh it's just Osama bin Laden, Oh
actually has weapons of mass destruction. Oh, actually, the whole
system's got to go. Same with Arab spring. Oh it's
just Kadaffi. Oh now it's just Egypt. Oh now it's
just Siria. Oh now it's just And ultimately we have
these these massive conflicts where Americans blood is being shed needlessly.
(43:39):
If you talk to any global war on terrorism veterans
from that particular period, was the American soldier put first?
Did we support the troops by these perpetual ross cells
and up cells? Many will say absolutely not, absolutely not.
And so we see the same set of techniques. The
open door, you know, crack it open a little bit,
(44:00):
it's very reasonable, and once you get into the chair,
it's it's rapped on there.
Speaker 15 (44:04):
You can up some them like mad with the sunk
cost fallacy.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Of course, So Joshua, what are ways then to counter this.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Let's say you know you're going you're going to the dentist,
you go, you're dropping your car off at the audio
at the auto body shop or the auto service center,
and you know that you know what's going to happen,
you know that you're you're about to beget into the pressure.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
What are some tactics people can used to counter this?
Speaker 12 (44:27):
What is jack?
Speaker 15 (44:28):
What is the most masculine word in English language is
the word no? That's right.
Speaker 16 (44:35):
I found myself without irony and not as a joke
and a dentist's chair a few weeks ago, and I
got hit with the upside. I went for a cleaning
and get regularly. But of course they bring out the
membership and it's cheaper if you do this today, and
you're always going to be paying this.
Speaker 15 (44:50):
It's cheaper if you do this x rays oh and
this and this and all the cavities.
Speaker 16 (44:55):
And I saw, I looked it over and I just said,
thank you, no, And they were taken aback.
Speaker 15 (45:02):
They were a little bit shocked, like he was supposed
to say yes, right, he just said no.
Speaker 16 (45:07):
So the American people to the regime change up sell
and I run. We can simply say no, there's not
any need for arguments or back and forth with statistics
and studies or data or no. No, and we can
enforce that note with primaries with feet on the ground
or not when it comes to elections, coming up with
phone calls, with emails, with causing trouble of redial media
(45:31):
and reaching out to Donald treadible of people who understand
what the war over there was really like during two
thousand and one to twenty fifteen or so.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
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Speaker 1 (45:52):
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