The Charlie Kirk Show, June 26, 2025

Commentary on bbb, Iran's attacks on Israel, the 12 Day War, The Iranian Revolution, mass immigration, values across the world, and Christian values vs Islam 

Guests: Josh Hammer, Dr. Paul Rahe, and Dr. Gad Saad 

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now, you just said you believe the conflict between Israel
and Iran is over.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
What makes you so confident it is?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
And what do you do if it isn't?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Because I dealt with both and they're both tired, exhausted.
They fought very very hard and very viciously, very violently,
and they were both satisfied to go home and get out.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
So rain Mom, Donnie.

Speaker 6 (00:45):
So he's saying, I mean, this is incredible.

Speaker 7 (00:47):
He's vowed to kick the quote fascist ice out of
New York City.

Speaker 8 (00:52):
Good luck with that bugle Lull jumps him every every day,
every hour of every minute.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
We're going to be in New York City.

Speaker 8 (00:59):
Matter in fact, because as a sanctuary city, President of
TRUB made it clear week and a half ago, we're
going to double down on triple down with sanctuary cities.
If we can't arrest that bad guy in accounted you
a one agent rest and one bad guy. They released
them in the streets like New York does every day.
We got to send whole teams look to this this guy.
And not only that, we're going to send additional teams

(01:19):
to look for all the people they rest we're going
to constraint sanctuary cities because we know they're releasing public
safetary trust and that security trusts back to the street.

Speaker 9 (01:26):
Why not acknowledge the female pilots that also participated in
this mission.

Speaker 10 (01:31):
The early messages that you sent out only congratulate to
the boys.

Speaker 11 (01:35):
So when I say something like our boys and bombers, see,
this is the kind of thing the press does. Right
of course, the chairman mentioned a female bomber pilot.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
That's fantastic. She's fantastic, she's a hero.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I want more female bomber pilots.

Speaker 11 (01:46):
I hope the men and women of our country sign
up to do such brave and audacious things. Very proud
of that female pilot, just like I'm very proud.

Speaker 12 (01:53):
Of those male pilots.

Speaker 11 (01:54):
And I don't care if it's a male or a
female in that cockpit, and the American people don't care.
But it's the session with race and gender in this
department that's changed priorities where we don't do that anymore.

Speaker 12 (02:06):
We don't play your little games, atholic.

Speaker 13 (02:07):
Every We're not dealing with America's original sin and its
disease of hate and racism towards black and brown people
and sexism towards women and it LGBTQ sentiment.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
We are not dealing with that.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Used to know what I'm saying.

Speaker 14 (02:24):
The reason why heart disease and cancer and obesity and
diabetes are bigger in the Black community is because of
distress we carry from having to deal with being called
the N word directly or indirectly every day.

Speaker 7 (02:38):
This is why the President was elected, you know, to
bring back common sense about energy. The oil prices when
they peaked in this crisis were lower than they were
in average during the four years of.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
The Biden administration.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
Gasoline and diesel are both ten or fifteen percent cheaper
today than they were a year ago, about thirty percent
cheaper than they.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Were three years ago.

Speaker 15 (03:01):
We know full well failure is not an option. We
are going to get this bill done because we are
not going to have a four and a half trillion
dollar tax increase at the end of this year, and
we are not going to default on our debt.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
And we at Treasury have.

Speaker 15 (03:12):
Already told Congress that you need to get this done
before you go on your August recess. We are going
to continue to work twenty four to seven. As the
President has said a lot of people in a room
and get it done. But we continue to believe that
we are going to have a breakthrough very shortly, so
that we keep on track for our July fourth time
frame for the President's signing this.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
A letter just came in and the statement came in
from the Atomic Energy Commission of Israel. The devastating US
strike on FOURDO destroyed the size critical infrastructure and rendered
the enrichment facility totally inoperable.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
It was devastated.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
We assessed that the American strikes on nuclear facilities are
set back Aren's ability to develop nuclear weapons for many
years to come.

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that we'd forget what's worth fighting for.

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is bubbling up, and I've had my eyes on this
for the last couple of weeks and I've been waiting

(06:03):
for a time to explain it. Now. A lot of
people are getting fired up online about this, and it
is the anger is partially justified, but not totally and
we need to kind of just take a step back
and make sure that we do not get too intense
too early in a way that might not actually be
rooted in facts or substance. But there is some truth

(06:24):
to it. We got to get the facts. That's what
our show does. We explore the facts. We are a
truth seeking show. So, as you know, President Trump's big
beautiful Bill is working its way through Congress. This very
difficult process of getting people like Susan Collins and Don
Bacon and getting all the modern Republicans to agree on
spending cuts and border security and just all the different

(06:48):
elements of this process have been exhausting. We're finally getting
to a place of completion where we have to find
out whether or not the components of the bill.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Are allowed to remain. What do you mean by that?

Speaker 18 (07:06):
So remember this is a reconciliation bill. So when a
bill is a reconciliation bill, it has a very precise
technical meaning. It literally means that you are reconciling the
budgets of two different fiscal years. And so a reconciliation bill,

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because you are reconciling two different budgets from two different ears,
does not require sixty votes. Said more bluntly, you can
bypass the filibuster. The filibuster, of course, requires sixty votes
to then get to quorum and then get to a
vote on the specific piece of legislation. So, for example,

(07:50):
if they wanted to go pass a bill right now
Congress on something that was non reconciliation, it would require
sixty votes. Now all of this is just said rules.
They could change the rules at any time. The Senate
was intended to actually become a majoritarian body. Thomas Jefferson
actually always wanted it to be a majoritarian body. On

(08:11):
the other side, though, the fact that we had the
filibusters stopped a lot of the totally insane stuff that
Joe Biden wanted to do during his administration, and so
we shouldn't been too quick to throw out the filibuster.
So in front of us now as an opportunity to
pass President Trump's hallmark agenda bill, the Big Beautiful Bill,
border funding, no tax on tips, no tax and overtime,

(08:32):
Trump tax cuts, Drill, Baby Drill. All of this has
to fit as a budgetary financial reconciliation provision. So certain
things in the bill that might not be germane to
budgetary measures will be thrown out of the bill because

(08:54):
then it does not pass the filibuster reconciliation test. Now,
this is very important. It's called the bird rule. So
you have to pass what is called the bird bath.
You have to pass the bird bath. But here's where
things get a little murky, and they get awfully confusing,
and where people are getting fired up, partially rightfully.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
So which is that?

Speaker 18 (09:16):
Who decides? Is there a committee? Is there like a
Supreme Court of the US Senate? Is there a bipartisan panel?
Are there people that have been there for quite some time?
Who is the umpire, who is the referee? Who is
the final decision maker of what is germane to a
reconciliation bill and what is not Now we went through

(09:37):
this entire reconciliation process. The highest profile reconciliation fight was
when anybody two thousand and nine actually the Affordable Care Act,
when Obama wanted to pass Obamacare. A lesser appreciated memory
was when Obama wanted to pass this monstrosity of a

(09:57):
healthcare bill and he needed sixty votes a he had
sixty votes until the lion of the Senate, Ted Kennedy died.
There was a special election in Massachusetts on the sole
reason as a referendum, and Massachusetts elected a Republican senator
by the name of Scott Brown to actually reject the

(10:17):
sixty vote threshold. We in kind of conservative folk lore,
forget this moment. I was at freshman in high school,
and I remember intimately where Obamacare was put on a
referendum and Scott Brown became a US Senator from Massachusetts
as a Republican and Ted Kennedy passed away. By the way,
Ted Kennedy was a scum. He's a bad guy, a

(10:40):
bad ombre, no good whatsoever. Different topic for a different time.
So basically then Obama had to change some of the
wording because sixty went down to fifty nine because he
did not have the votes to be able to pass
the filibuster. And by the way, there were a lot
of what they call blue dog Democrats that basically offered

(11:02):
themselves as sacrificial lambs. Dashel would be one of them.
I think he was from Blake state of South Dakota.
There were a ton of these guys that basically offer
themselves up and they have not elected Democrats in these
states ever since. That was the turning point. So then
who decides? So that was the fight back in two
thousand and nine twenty ten, and Obamacare actually became less

(11:23):
radical and less pernicious because of the bird bath. Well,
who decides, Well, it is a singular person that holds
all the cards. It's a singular person that decides whether
something is in the bill or something is not in
the bill. She is becoming the most powerful person in Washington,
d c. And her name is Elizabeth McDonough. Now Elizabeth McDonough,

(11:45):
to her credit, was actually very helpful under Joe Biden.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Elizabeth McDonough removed a lot of the total and complete.

Speaker 18 (11:53):
Insanity that people like AOC and Elizabeth Warren wanted to
fit into reconciliation bills. However, Elizabeth Elizabeth McDonough right now,
she holds almost all the cards sort of. So she
holds the cards because John Thune has given her the cards,
and John Thune wants to allow this process to play out.
And the reason why this is bubbling up to a

(12:14):
fever pitch, and trust me, I get it. But it's
my job to tell you when to get angry and
also to explain things away and say, let's hold some
of our fire to see if we can't figure this out.
And one of the reasons why people are losing it
this morning is that she removed a provision from the
big beautiful bill that would have saved us hundreds of
billions of dollars, saying illegals cannot get medicaid. Now, is

(12:37):
that a final ruling? Is that a final gut punch?

Speaker 11 (12:42):
No?

Speaker 18 (12:43):
Actually, here's where I just encourage you to take a
deep breath and to allow somewhat of this process to
play out. They can reward things and go back to her. Now,
this is such a broken process that this is a
series of broken meetings. And here is the kicker. Here
is where you are being led towards anger without all

(13:05):
of the story. These are the Democrats that are leaking
that she's blocking this. The process is still underway. I
talked to top level folks on the Senate. I also
talk to the people in the office of the President
of the Senate. Do you know, if you don't know
who the President of the Senate is, you should do
your civics lesson. It's not John Thune and people in
that whole kind of community saying just allow this to

(13:27):
play out a little bit, because it's the Democrats that
are actually leaking. While they're going back and forth with
miss McDonough, this is an ongoing process where it okay,
can we word it this way?

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Can we do it this way? And she says yes, sir, No.

Speaker 18 (13:40):
Now look, I think this is a little bit of
a goofy kind of unsustainable model that one person, one staffer.
She's literally a staffer. She was not even Senate confirmed,
she was not elected. It's like this weird kind of
she's not like a new branch of government, a little
bit too much powerful staffer. I think it should be

(14:02):
at least a committee that you could have votes and
you could have different members sitting. There's got to be
a better process than just like one staffer that obviously
could be very influenced. But right now, Elizabeth McDonough holds
a lot of the cards in this process, and by
holding the cards, she is the recipient of a lot
of anger from the base.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Now, how do we get rid of her?

Speaker 18 (14:23):
If she continues her nonsense and it just gets out
of control, John Thune can remove her and you could
get a new parliamentary, but then she becomes a martyr
and you might get an even worse one in return.
All that to say, she's incredibly powerful. We don't know
how it's going to turn out. In fact, the future
of our agenda might be with her.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 5 (17:29):
Okay, everybody, welcome back.

Speaker 18 (17:30):
Email us as always freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com
and subscribe to our podcast. So the parliamentarian, but we
heard the bigcoin dot comes through you has a lot
of power right now. But just remember back when this
was under Joe bidden. In March of twenty twenty one,
twenty four Democrat members of Congress word a letter to
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris requesting that Harris overrule the

(17:51):
Senate parliamentarian raising the national minimum wage. Ultimately, Harris ruled
in accordance with the parliamentarian and removed the provision. So
jd Vance can overturn it once it gets to the floor.
But this really is a John Thune thing, and John
Thune's got to work through this. This is all on
Senator Thune if there is no reasoning with her on

(18:11):
stuff that obviously is financial. For example, there's no reason
whatsoever that no medicaid funding for illegals should not be
in this bill. Just figure out the right way to
word it, period, end of story. That is one hundred
percent of budgetary measure, without question, and that would save
US hundreds of billions at hours if you can't get
no medicaid funding for illegals. Figure out how to word

(18:35):
it in a way that can pass the parliamentarian threshold.
But let's be honest. That is this is way too
much power for one person in DC. This is structurally
a problem. And if you were to fire the parliamentary
and the question is who do you replace it with?
And understand that would send shock waves throughout the Senate.
I know a lot of us in the in the
grassroots have very little respect for this stuff, but the

(18:55):
Senator is there. They think the Senate is like this
wonderful thing and it's very regal and great. They think
so highly of themselves, and they look at the upper
Chamber as being the thoughtful and philosophical chamber that really
deep thinking happens.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
But look, we shouldn't put that off the table.

Speaker 18 (19:18):
If it gets to it, if Elizabeth McDonough gets in
the way of President Trump's agenda, then we can change
the rules. There are many measures that we can get
to at this point. My biggest my biggest concern is
why does this even program have one person that's able
to get in the way of what we obviously want
to do, what we should be able to do. She

(19:41):
did not win seven swing states, she did not win
a popular vote majority. And she's a staffer. She's not
like Senate confirmed. She's not a judge, she's not from
the she's not Article three. It's really kind of a creation.
Let's put this up on screen. It's very important history.
So the office of the Parliamentarian does have, of course
constitutional roots. Article one, Section five says each House may

(20:02):
determine the rules of its proceedings. The office the Parliamentarian
were created in the House in nineteen twenty seven and
in the Senate in nineteen thirty five. The parliamentarian answers
questions from the presiding officer about the wording of motions
and about precedents related to motions or actions. The current
parliamentarian as mentioned as Elizabeth McDonough. She's been in office
since twenty twelve. Harry Reid put her there, which should

(20:24):
make us have a little bit of pause, and by
then Senate Majority Leader oppointed by Senate Leader Harry Reid.
The budget reconciliation process is only supposed to include provisions that,
according to the Congressional Research Service quote, would change laws
related to direct spending, revenue or the debt limit hold on.
So spending revenue or debt limit. No medicaid for illegals

(20:46):
is absolutely is spending a revenue.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Now.

Speaker 18 (20:49):
She's an officer appointed by the Senate Majority Leader John Thunne,
and they're generally preserved across parties to maintain harmony in
the Senate. But they have been removed before, and so
we should not dismiss that as something.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
If she keeps on acting.

Speaker 18 (21:03):
In a way where there is no negotiation, then we
got to get rid of her. Robert Dove was a
parliamentarian picked by Republicans and got fired when Democrats took over,
and then came back when Republicans took power again, but
then got fired by Republican Trent Lot. So these kind
of fights have happened. But let's be honest. The fact
that she's in the news means we have a little

(21:25):
bit of a problem. We just got to be honest
with ourselves. We should not know her name. You should
not know her name. We should not be dedicating precious
time on our program to Elizabeth McDonough. Illegals getting medicaid
is a redline that cannot be a lot figure it out.
If she gets in the way of illegals getting medicaid.
Then we're gonna have to ratchet this.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Up a little bit. But I want to just make
sure we are being fair.

Speaker 18 (21:49):
This is not a this is not a final ruling,
This is not a this is not a complete judgment.
Let me read from you from a top top source,
a text message that was texting. The Democrats are leaking.
This is the best source that we can have, better
than anyone on cable news.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Trust me.

Speaker 18 (22:07):
The Democrats are leaking about what the parliamentarian has done.
A lot of it is either out of context or
will be dealt with through very minor language changes. There
is a version of the medicaid stuff that will be passable.
But the Democrats are leaking this to try to f

(22:28):
us politically. Okay, that's a top tier source here, but
we're making you aware of this growing situation. But let
me just repeat this quote. The Democrats are leaking about
what the parliamentarian has done, but a lot of it
is either out of context. Oh, the Democrats would never
lie and the Democrats would never leak. By the way,
that's why the Democrats were not briefed on Operation Midnight Hammer,

(22:51):
because they would have leaked it.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
And quote.

Speaker 18 (22:53):
A lot of it will be dealt with through very
minor language changes. This is a game and a game
of spin in and it's largely a propaganda war.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
We got to keep our eyes on her.

Speaker 18 (23:04):
If she stands in the way of us getting rid
of medicaid for illegals, dramatic action is necessary.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
We'll be right back.

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We're back with your Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates, Secretary of Defends Pete Hagsas standing up for
the B two pilots who flew that bombing mission in
Iran on Saturday. He started his morning off by stepping
in front of the microphones at the Pentagon with this
message about the strike.

Speaker 20 (24:55):
The skill, and the courage it took to go into
enemy territory flying thirty six hours on behalf the American
people in the world to take out a nuclear program
is beyond what anyone in this audience can fathom.

Speaker 10 (25:07):
And then the instinct, the instinct of CNN, the instinct
of the New York Times, is to try to find
a way to spin it for their own political reasons
to try to hurt President Trump or our country.

Speaker 11 (25:20):
They don't care what the troops think, they don't care.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
What the world thinks.

Speaker 11 (25:23):
They want to spin it to try to make him
look bad based on a leak.

Speaker 19 (25:28):
That statement was from yesterday in the Hague. We apologize,
but I can tell you he echoed some of those
sentiments during this morning's news conference. That statement, by the way,
in response to a leak about the effectiveness of Saturday's bombing.
That's a quick check of your headliness.

Speaker 9 (25:56):
In the future of America, and the future is right,
Dear is Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 5 (26:08):
Now. I'm fired up. I got this.

Speaker 18 (26:10):
I got briefed on this yesterday. This is like the
disgusting thing in the US Senate. I got to read
this tweet and this is just from one of our
top supporters. At turning point, you would say this like
they say, Charlie, if this continues, we're going to go out.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Of business with us. This is the little nonsense at.

Speaker 18 (26:24):
The US Senate buried on page three h six in
the Senate Finance text of the one bit Ify Bill's
a carve out for big multinationals to pocket taxpayer dollars
for their Chinese suppliers by grandfathering existing contracts. Big auto
companies General Motors in particulars pushing for this. This provision
will send hundreds of millions of dollars of US taxpayer
dollars to companies affiliated with the CCP, literally through twenty

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thirty at the expense of American manufacturers that we're just
getting a break from their anti competitive behavior thanks to
President Trump's America First trade policy. This is literally being
pushed by GM Biden's bff, Mary Barra and her Buddi's
at the Chinese battery company. And by the way, I
know that I know the Republican senators that are carrying
the water on this. I'm not saying their names yet.
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I'm pleased that you are back in America. Is your
family okay? Inform our audience of the unbelievable journey had
to go through because of the Iranian missile attacks.

Speaker 21 (28:48):
Yeah, Charlie, I think last time I checked in with you,
it was less than twenty four hours after the idea
of operations Insider rom began. We were over in Israel
at that time, and the it was a Friday afternoon,
the Jewish Sabbath was about to come in over in Israel,
and we kind of just everyone knew that the audience
were going to start their missile launches during the Jewish Sabbaths.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
Sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 21 (29:07):
I literally had to interrupt my Shabbat to Friday evening
prayers to take my wife and daughter to run down
to the bomb shelter. This happened on and off over
the next few days, and Charlie, you know, this is
kind of evaded American media. So the media is properly
covering all of the astonishing tactical operational success that the
IDF of Massade had, especially in those first few hours

(29:28):
of the war inside or on. But unfortunately, the Israeli
air defense was letting too many missiles through. To be clear,
they were interrupting most of them, but too many were
getting through. And after a few days it did start
to get a little dicey. And there was a neighboring
town near where we were staying that the Israeli media
tragedy was reporting that two people who even went to
the bomb shelter, they actually died from a direct ballistic

(29:50):
missile blast. Because Charlie, you know, let's understand here that
these bomb shelters over there, they're built primarily with these hamas,
rockets and mortars in mind, not necessarily these two thousand
mile hyper sonic ballistic missiles. So I decided that I
basically had to get the heck out of here. So
I did the little research. I came across his program
I live in Florida. I came across the program that
our Governor Ron DeSantis had Florida team up with a

(30:11):
rescue evacuation organization called Gray Bowl Rescue. I was put
in touch with a state center from Florida, a wonderful
man named Jay Collins, and he was our point of contact.
He basically get us home. So it was a three
and a half day journey. It took a very long time.
We took a bus to the Jordanian Israeli border. The
border was total chaos, total zoo, a lot of people
trying to get across that border. Spent the night in Aman, Jordan.

(30:32):
Flew from Jordan to Cypress, which is like as a
hub for a lot peol fleeing. Did a night in Cyprus,
then flew on a Desanti's charged flight from Cyprus to Tampa.
DeSantis was actually waiting for us there. We did a
whole press conference. He actually asked me to join him.
I was coming off of a thirteen hour flight no sleep.
So I did the best I could at five thirty
in the morning. Hopefully it came out. Okay, it was
quite an ordeal to put them mildly, but most importantly, Charlie,

(30:53):
I am home, My family is home.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
We were all safe. Praise be to God.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
And how old is your daughter?

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Six months?

Speaker 5 (30:59):
That's tough, man, I mean, that's really tough.

Speaker 18 (31:01):
Cond you just just remind our audience a little bit,
and then I want to get in this more than
just the psychological toll. I mean, every night you go
into bunkers, no one's getting sleep. It's terror on the children.
I think part of it is the terror on the
children too. I mean, I know what it's like. If
my daughter or son's night sleep is interrupted at night,
it's a it's a disaster, right, it becomes a total calamity.

(31:22):
But that's part of what Iran wanted to try and
invoke upon the people of Israel.

Speaker 21 (31:27):
Am I correct, totally correct. So you know the crazy thing, Charlie,
So our daughter, her name is Esther. I actually dedicated
my book Is Real and Civilization to my daughter Esther.
Anyone who knows anything about the Book of Esther in
the Bible knows that it is a story that takes
place in Persia, in ancient Iran, in Persia. So it
was actually literally on our daughter's six month birthday on

(31:47):
June thirteen, twenty twenty five, that the Persian started launching
rockets at as it it kind of had almost like
a biblical kind of a divine element to it as well.
But I guess I will say this, so we kind
of got lucky insofar as, yes, it was horrible.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
We moved bedrooms.

Speaker 21 (32:02):
We're very lucky, we're saying in house that had a
spare bedroom on the basement level next to the bomb shelter.
So we actually slept in this room adjacent to the
bomb shelter, so that when the sirens and the phone
goes off at three in the morning, there you can
literally just drop everything you're doing and rush next door.
Not fun, by the way, I mean ninety seconds two
minutes to just drop whatever you're doing, put on your
glasses if you wear contacts like me, and just get
to the bomb shelter aasap. But we got lucky insofar

(32:25):
as I think it was easier to have a six
month old Charlie than if we had like a five
or six year old, and sure enough, there actually were
some families on our evacuation mission. There were three hundred
of us who got on those buses towards the Jordanian border.
On the first State of Florida evacuation mission. There are
these two wonderful, beautiful families from Texas Christian families there
who are visiting the Christian holy sites in Israel. And

(32:47):
these two families had these beautiful children, you know, three four,
five sixty seven. And I watched the parents just trying
to keep these kids entertained, like literally entertained on the
bus to the hotel at the airport of this and
I kind of said to my wife, you know, like
we have a six month old, and that's not easy there,
but it could it could also be a lot tougher
as well.

Speaker 18 (33:03):
I mean, I mean I have a near three year old.
I can't imagine what do like a full all your
energy would just be on making sure your two or
three year old is entertained. So Josh, praise the Lord
that you're okay and your family's okay. So now that
the war is over, just kind of give us your

(33:25):
take on what President Trump was able to accomplish, what
this means for the Western world. And if you would
have told most people two weeks ago Iran would have
no nuclear weapon, there'd be no US troops killed, there'd
be no US troops on the ground, there would be
no permanent war, there would be no even talks of
war in Congress. And that we've kind of are moving
on in a news cycle. I mean, that would be

(33:47):
an incomprehensible accomplishment. I just want everyone to look at
this from a two week window. Two weeks ago is
when Israel launched the first strikes against Iran, two weeks ago,
and now it's kind of a memory and it's being forgotten.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Its unbelievable. Josh Hammer.

Speaker 21 (34:03):
Yeah, Charlie very Well said, this is one of the
most astonishing victories from any president of the United States
in my entire lifetime. Full stop, I mean, heart stop,
an end of story. I mean, this is incredible, legacy
defining stuff. Charlie, you and I are roughly around the
same age. I'm a few years older. I think I'm
thirty six. But for my entire adult lifetime, my entire

(34:23):
adult lifetime, the Iranian nuclear program has been one of
those thorny, recurring, ongoing debates. It has been this hovering
sort of damocles over the Middle East, over the United States,
over Western civilization.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
What do we do?

Speaker 6 (34:35):
What do we not do?

Speaker 21 (34:36):
Do we reach a deal like Barack Obama did in
twenty fifteen. Do we try to just bomb them? Is
it gonna be a forever war? Regime changed war? Which
is gonna let it sit and let them get nuclear?
It's been in a debate for literally as long as
I've been following politics. Donald Trump in roughly thirty seven
hours from those Beat two is taken off of Missouri,
going to Iran, dropping the fourteen bunker busters, the Tomahawk

(34:57):
missiles from the nuclear submarine, and then returning home in
thirty seven hours without a single shot being fired on
a B two, he has single handedly changed the face
of the region and arguably the world. He has neutralized
the single current deadliest threat not just the people of
the Middle East, but potentially to the people of Europe
because Iran has blisted missiles that can go thousand miles

(35:18):
as well, and they've been working very hard on icbm's
intercontinental blisted missiles as well that God forbid, could potentially
reach the Americas, the Western Hemisphere. They're not there yet,
but they've certainly been working on it there. And in
one fell swoop, In one fell swoop, Donald Trump has
done more to bring peace, stability, and security to the
Middle East and to the United States. Charlie, let's not
forget the raison to Etra. The entire purpose of the

(35:42):
current regime in Iran is to eliminate what they refer
to as the little saydan Israel and the big say
in the United States. People can say, oh, why do
they hate us? It doesn't matter. I'm telling you, it
does not matter. The fact is they literally do. This
regime started with a hostage crisis at the American embassy
that ended the Jimmy Carter presidency. They funded has Ballah
to murder too forty one Marines in Bayou Lebanon in
nineteen eighty three. There was a Kaibar towers attack in

(36:04):
Saudi Arabia nineteen nineties. All the Kassam Sulimani supplied IEDs
to murder our brave men and women in uniform in
Iraq in the two thousands and on and on.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
A ghost.

Speaker 21 (36:14):
This regime has a ton of American blood on its hands.
If you can accomplish at an infinitesimally low cost to
deprive this genocidal, maniacal, anti American regime of the world's
deadliest weapons. Why in the world would he not do that?
So praise be to God that Donald Trump did what
he did. It is a fantastic demonstration of American military prowess,

(36:35):
and most importantly, Charlie, it's also the Trump doctrine at work.
The Trump doctrine is neither neo conservative nor isolationists. He
is a nationalist, realist Jacksonian is the term against it
that gets bad around sometimes. He is someone who is
not looking to start wars, and this was not looking
to start a war. It actually was looking to try
to end a war, to end the Iranian regimes four
and a half decade long war through the regime directly

(36:58):
and their various proxies against America and America's allies. It
is a fantastic, unbelievable historical display of statesmanship, and I
am proud that I voted for this man. Frankly in
Dante Trump.

Speaker 18 (37:09):
About one minute remaining here, Josh, we have you for
another segment here, can you comment?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
I mean, I was very.

Speaker 18 (37:14):
Outspoken against regime change I'm glad I was President Trump
didn't want regime change, but some of other vocal voices
in the movement still we're calling for regime change. Why
do you think President Trump played this correctly from an
American standpoint, Well, it's not the.

Speaker 21 (37:30):
Role of the United States to impose top down regime change, Charlie.
I mean, look, we've learned this lesson before. We've learned
in Iraq, we've learned in Afghanistan. It is a hubistic
and arrogant act totally for a liberal Western society to
try to dictate to a foreign nation who they should
or should not have ruled them. Now, having said that, Charlie,
we should not hesitate to say that the current Rani
regime is evil. Again, they chant debt to America on

(37:52):
a daily basis. But the proper solution is for the
Persian people, who are very smart, educated, historical people going
back millennia to ultimate only one day God willing take
matters into their own hands. That is the proper remedy.
That's the proper solution for the Iranian quagmire. It's not
for the United States or any of our allies to
go ahead and impose regime change.

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Top down, Well said Josh. Stay right there, Josh Hammer.
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(42:16):
the liberal narrative that President Trump and america strikes on
four dough were unsuccessful?

Speaker 21 (42:23):
Josh Hammer, Well, Charlie, I can answer that very simply,
which is, you know, Donald trumpeteggs at the line is
that they've been obliterated. Look, I've not been near in
four dough I have not been able to say that
it's literally been obliterated. What I can tell you is
this that this leaker is full of you know what,
this leaker is one thousand percent full of crap there.

(42:43):
This has all the markings of a Natasha Bertrands operation.
That's the name of the reporter at Politico who is
reporting about this leaker. If a name sounds familiar, that's
because it should. She was the reporter back in twenty
twenty who was first seeking to dismiss the New York
Post bombshell Hunter Biden laptop story as so called Russian
disinformation with Brennan and Clapper and that whole terrible list
of fifty one deep state spooks.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
So we should be very skeptical for that reason, Charlie.

Speaker 21 (43:07):
The other reason that I think I feel very very
confident is saying that whether it's literal obliteration or set
back years and years there. The other reason I'm very
confident is because that's what the Israelis are saying too,
and all of people say, oh, you know, you US
should not trust what Israel says. Fair enough, every country
should do its own assessment, but in this particular situation,
In this particular situation, I think Israel's word is actually

(43:28):
very important because the Iranic nuclear program is literally an.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
Existential threat to them.

Speaker 21 (43:32):
So the fact that Israel agreed to this Trump and
post ceasefire asap, it's pretty much no questions asked. That
means that they are very satisfied that this existential threat
hovering over them on a daily basis has been severely neutralised,
have not quite gotten rid of in its entirety. So
I feel very good about the currency of the program.
Obviously we will learn more in the days to come,
but this has all the hallmarks of an anti Trump

(43:54):
deep state Intel's community league.

Speaker 18 (43:56):
Yes, I mean, and to your point, I mean, if
Israel felt that they were threatened much by the Iranian
nuclear program, they were willing to launch preemptive strikes, and
then now they're saying that that threat is taken out, well,
then that's actually probably the best verification because they obviously
have the most interest and most invested in the lethality
and the seriousness of the Iranian nuclear program, Josh, final

(44:20):
thought here, there's new Poland to suggests that young people's
view of Israel has gone down in the last couple
of weeks, last couple of months. There's a lot of
work to do to try to educate the next generation
about the pro Israel clock cause why do you think
that is and what do you think can be done
in the coming months or years to at least get

(44:43):
young people to understand that Israel is a country surrounded
by barbarians and a death cult, and that it's a
much more complicated, nuanced position.

Speaker 21 (44:53):
Josh, Charlie, My best guess as to why the Israel
position is currently becoming a little more popular with certain
younger especially gen Z types above all, is that especially
for those who grew up in a post nine to
eleven milieu and spew clear, I was only twelve years
old when nine to eleven happens. I think that there
is this conflation between US support for Israel and the

(45:13):
forever wars that constituted the failed regime change wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan. But this is a flawed line of
analysis for multiple reasons. On the first hand, Charlie, there's
this narrative that Israel talked George W. Bush into fighting Iraq,
and frankly, nothing to be further from the case. And
in fact, both the president of Israel at the time
in two thousand and two, Shaman Perez, and the leader

(45:34):
of the Israeli rights Ariel Sharon, literally both told George W. Bush,
do not do this, because you're gonna topple this. It's
going to become an Iranian province overnight in Iraq. There
You're going to destabilize the region. So that narrative has
always been bunked. But Charlie, there's a much more important
argument here, which I advanced in my book Israel and Civilization.
I have a whole chapter on this, which I think
it's imperative for young Americans, young Conservatives, young Christians to

(45:56):
understand that Israel serves the American national interest in this
region by oftentimes doing our dirty work for us when
it comes to pruning Theji hottest excesses of Hamas Palestini,
Islami Jihad has Bala Katayib, has all the Houthis, all
the various proxies of the Irani regime to doing tremendous
damage to the Iranian regime itself in the first few

(46:17):
days of the Twelve Day War, therefore making it so
that these B two bombers could go in with the
Iranian missile defense with the Iranian radar completely obliterated there
with not a single shot fire there.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
I mean, Charlie, what Israel and the US just did
to neutralize.

Speaker 21 (46:31):
The running nuclear program. I'm a sports fan. It's essentially
equivalent to an alley oop of sorts. I mean, I
think back to the old early two thousands Kobe Bryant
to Shaquille O'Neal. It's basically an ALLOYU but is a
tag team operation to neutralize a hegemonic threat from a
regime the chance not just death to Israel, but death
to America as well. All this, by the way, is
in service of trying to stabilize the Middle East and
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(46:52):
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Speaker 6 (46:53):
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Speaker 5 (52:50):
But now we're live on air, So thank you for much.
Thank you for your understanding.

Speaker 18 (52:55):
Sir, So, doctor Ray, you are like an encyclopedia on war,
and you've studied and watched the Middle East for decades.
Kind of give us your historical and just commentary on
what we've witnessed the last couple of weeks and how
it fits in Middle East history.

Speaker 12 (53:15):
Okay, let me start by saying that when people talk
about a twelve day war, they're wrong. It's been a
forty six year war. That war began in nineteen seventy
nine with the overthrow of the Shaw and the arrival
in Iran of Homany and of a clerical regime that

(53:35):
really is foreign to the Shiai tradition which had been
nominate in Iran and in various other places before that time.
Ever since that time, starting with the seizure of the
people from the American embassy as hostages, there has been
a low level war going on between Iran, the Sunni

(53:58):
neighbors of Iran, the United States, and Israel, and every
so often this thing explodes into something larger, and that's
what the so called Twelve Day War was about. One
of the key elements to this was that the Iranians

(54:19):
were seeking nuclear weapons and had the means to produce
them in short order, and just having that capacity gave
them leverage, and they sponsored proxies the Huthis in Yemen,
Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Gaza, and this is

(54:43):
all for the purpose of overcoming the Sunni world. The
Israelis and the United States are seen as obstacles to that.
We stand in the way, and we do indeed stand
in the way. And you can see the manner in
which in recent years the Sunni world has lined up
with the Israelis settling all sorts of questions, providing ambassadorial

(55:09):
reckoned diplomatic recognition, and so forth. And that's because they're
afraid of the Iranians. So there is a split within
Islam between Sunni and SHIAI. It is every bit as
important as the division between Catholic and Protestant in say,
the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. It's a source of bloodshed,

(55:32):
it's a source of struggle. Honor is involved, and the
Iranians have been very effective in this. We've helped fund it.
Under Obama, we made a deal with them that they
would put their nuclear program on hold and we would
provide them with a great deal of money, which then

(55:54):
has been spent in attacking us and then attacking the Israelis.
There's a large struggle that's been going on for a
long time. It may be over now, but I'm not
too terribly confident of that. As long as that regime
stays in power, they're likely to pursue this.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
If you see.

Speaker 12 (56:16):
Kamene, who is the leader there, being pushed aside, he's
an old man, he's eighty six, and other people coming
to the fore, there may be a deal worked out
that has some legs to it. Otherwise not. I don't
know if you notice, but today Hamine appeared and declared

(56:36):
victory in this war. Despite all the damage that has
been done to their nuclear program, to their military and
so forth. So who knows in that regard. There is
a larger context for this, and hidden in the background
is the fact that there is a kind of rivalry
between Turkey, which in the Ottoman period was the great

(57:00):
rival of Iran and the Iranians. So you have a
Sunni power in Turkey that is formidable and allied with US,
at least nominally, and then you have the Iranians that
has not burst out into into violence, but you could
see that it was going on in Syria in which

(57:23):
the current regime in Syria was being sponsored. Those people
were being sponsored by the Turks. The Iranians were sponsoring
the Alo white regime of the Assad family. So there's
maneuvering that goes on sort of constantly in that region,
and we're drawn into it because it's a source of

(57:45):
oil for our allies in Europe and of course Japan.
An awful lot of oil moves through the Straits of
horm moves down through the Persian Gulf. It comes a firm,
it comes from Iraq, it comes from Saudi Arabia, and
it comes from other countries in that particular region. But

(58:07):
it's of strategic importance because our allies are dependent on that.
For a time, we were dependent on it two until
we began to frack, and we're now an exporter of oil,
although not on a huge level. The other thing is
this is tied into the larger world. You know, the

(58:31):
things that we do or don't do have an impact
on the calculation of people elsewhere. To go back a
little ways, when Obama was president, hey declared a red
line in Syria, and then they broke the red line
and he did absolutely nothing. He then tried to suck

(58:53):
up to the Iranian regime, showing weakness again. And it's
not a very big surprise that in twenty fourteen the
Russians will move into Crimea and will move into eastern Ukraine.
They figured they could get away with it, and they did.
The follow up to that is that the Chinese take

(59:15):
the reefs in the South China Sea and begin to
militarize them, trying to turn the South China Sea into
a Chinese lake. So if you show weakness, everybody's going
to move against you in ways they think they can
get away with. If you show strength, it's just the opposite.

Speaker 18 (59:38):
So, for example, you know, for example, thought please no, please,
please please, professor, finish your thought.

Speaker 12 (59:44):
Well, I don't believe that Putin would have gone into
Ukraine in twenty fourteen, or excuse me, in twenty twenty two,
if Donald trum had been president. And the reason is
when Soleimani, who was head of the Revolutionary Yard in Iran,

(01:00:09):
instructed the militias that they sponsor in Iraq to attack
the American base with missiles. We assassinated him. Trumpet ordered
it boom. I'm not the only one who thinks this.
I sat at a dinner three years ago with a
columnist of the New York Times who shall remain nameless,

(01:00:30):
but she has red hair. A New York Times speaker
was speaking about Ukraine. She got up and she asked
him if he thought that had Trump been president, Putin
would have gone into Ukraine. And the fellow then went
into the Russian collusion nonsense. And I leaned over to

(01:00:51):
her and I said, you think otherwise, don't you? And
she shook her head yes, And I said it's Nixon,
isn't it. She says, that's it, That's exactly it. Well,
the key thing about Nixon is he was unpredictable.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
And I'm afraid of him.

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Speaker 25 (01:03:03):
Or come to an end, but I'll let him speak
on that specific and Wikoff yesterday suggested that there would
be more countries signing on to the Abra Abraham Accords.
Is there, what's the timeline on that, and which country
specifically is.

Speaker 22 (01:03:14):
The administration looking to have sign on.

Speaker 25 (01:03:15):
Well, the President is certainly hopeful that more countries in
the region will sign on to the Abraham Accords again.
And we want to see in longwithstanding endurable.

Speaker 22 (01:03:23):
Peace in the Middle East, and that's the way to
do it.

Speaker 25 (01:03:26):
And when the President met with the new president of Syria,
that was one of the requests that he made for
Syria to sign on to the Abraham Accords. I don't
have a timeline for you, but this administration wants to
see that happen, and our partners in the region should
know that.

Speaker 22 (01:03:38):
Rachel, thanks so much.

Speaker 26 (01:03:39):
Just to follow back up on the meeting that the
President mentioned about wanting to have this meeting with the
Iranians next week. Clearly there's a willingness here from the
administration to want to meet with Iranian officials. What is
the hold of here and trying to schedule it. Are
you experiencing any resistance from the Iranians?

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
Now have some patients.

Speaker 25 (01:03:54):
We just had this strike on Saturday night, the President's
security ceasefire. A lot has happened in the last week.
He was just in the Netherlands.

Speaker 22 (01:04:00):
Now he's back home to have a big.

Speaker 25 (01:04:02):
Event this afternoon on the one big beautiful Bill and
get our domestic priorities across the finish line. So we'll
get there, and like I said, we're in constant communication.

Speaker 22 (01:04:10):
Just one more just on the.

Speaker 12 (01:04:11):
Goal of the meeting.

Speaker 26 (01:04:12):
The President mentioned yesterday that it may not be necessary
to have an agreement with the Iranians.

Speaker 22 (01:04:17):
Is what is the purpose?

Speaker 12 (01:04:18):
What would be the goal of this.

Speaker 25 (01:04:19):
Meeting again, to continue moving forward towards a long standing
piece in the Middle East.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 18 (01:04:37):
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Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
At doctor Paul Ray.

Speaker 18 (01:04:42):
So, doctor Ray, what you're articulating is Shia supremacism where
the Iranian regime has an ideological fervor to want to
take over the entire region. What would you say is
the status or the health of that regime? Can we
tell place tell us, doctor.

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
Ray, Well, we really can't tell. At least I really
can't tell. We may have intelligence agents there who know
quite a bit. The CIA may know quite a bit.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Israelis know
quite a bit. But I don't think this is a

(01:05:22):
good day for that political regime. A lot of damage
has been done. They've shown weakness. I mean, homany may
claim victory, but the whole world, including all the people
in Iran, know that this was a grave defeat for Iran,
and weakness in that part of the world in Iran,

(01:05:45):
in the Arab countries isn't tolerated for long. So I
think it's possible that there will be a change within
the regime or even a change of One of the
things to know about the Iranian regime is it's not
a monarchy. It's not an ordinary tyranny. It's an oligarchy.

(01:06:10):
There's a sort of group of insiders, including the leaders
of the Revolutionary Garden so forth, but also the people
in parliament and the moullas. And you can bet that
there are conversations going on now about what changes need
to be made, and at a certain point those changes

(01:06:32):
could be serious. In the year two thousand and two,
after nine to eleven, I used to live in Turkey,
so I know that part of the world a bit,
and I went back to Turkey seeing old friends. But
I was also invited to a party with Turkish journalists.

(01:06:53):
There was an Iranian journalist there. There had been demonstrations
in Iran, spontaneous demonstrations at soccer games pro American demonstrations
in the wake of nine to eleven. So I asked
this Iranian journalist, is the regime going to go under?

(01:07:15):
And he said no. He said, the people who run
this country were graduate students in Eastern Europe during the
Soviet period. They know how to control a population. There's
one thing they don't know how to control their own children.

(01:07:35):
I don't know if his story about Eastern Europe is correct,
but I can tell you they have controlled that population.
It's now forty six years old. At that time it was.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Younger.

Speaker 12 (01:07:49):
But one of the things you can see in these
sorts of regimes is they run out of revolutionary fervor
when the generation that made the revolution passes from the scene.
Now it's a bit early. Those people are in their
sixties now and in their seventies. They haven't passed from

(01:08:13):
the scene, but it could be enough of them have
passed from the scene, and that there are people in
positions of responsibility who are younger, the sort of Gorbachevs
of the Iranian revolution, that is to say, people who
are not there during the revolution, and they may think

(01:08:33):
a little bit differently, especially since the defeats they've suffered
in Gaza in Lebanon in Yemen and now in the
home country. So they might want to move away from
a set of policies that brings this sort of thing

(01:08:54):
on them. Now, if Haminae remains in power years and
if he dominates, I doubt that there will be change.
But if he gets pushed aside, everything's open. And there's
a very large population in Iran that has never liked

(01:09:17):
this regime, and so there might be an opening in
that direction.

Speaker 18 (01:09:23):
If there was ever an opportunity for the people of
Persia to rise up, I would imagine this would be it. They,
at least from the outside, they seem remarkably vulnerable, and
they're a proud people. They are an ancient power. And
despite the spin that the Ayatola is given, they were
humiliated on the world stage. They had no air defense systems.
I mean, two foreign countries had complete control of the

(01:09:45):
skies over a run.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
It was a joke.

Speaker 18 (01:09:47):
Doctor Ray, we're out of time. Thank you for your time.
Final thoughts twenty seconds, sir, Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:09:53):
The Russians and the Chinese are watching, and they're beginning
to think maybe we should be a little careful.

Speaker 18 (01:10:01):
Well said, be a little bit. Donald Trump did not
just drop a bomb on four to h. It was
a memo of understanding to our enemies that was delivered
strike to the desk, straight to the desk of Jijipying
and Vladimir Putin, and they took careful notes at the
military precision and the willingness of the commander in chief.
Doctor Ray, thank you so much, doctor gad said, continues

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Speaker 10 (01:12:17):
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Joining us now is doctor Gad Sad, a great friend
of mine, visiting professor and global ambassador at Northward University,
author of The Sad Truth About Happiness and the Parasitic Mind.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Doctor Sad, Great to see you. How are you, sir, so,
doctor said, I'm doing well.

Speaker 18 (01:14:17):
You were the first guests that we thought of of
someone who could really speak truth to power about what
we're seeing in New York in a broader takeover of
the West by Islam, and I said something yesterday. I said, Look,
it doesn't feel right or seem right that the West
is quickly being taken over. Both London and New York
are going to have Muslim mayors, and having third world

(01:14:40):
immigration that has made that possible, Doctor Sad.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
How should we think about all of this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Look, Islam, like any ideology, has certain defining tenets, some
of which might be perfectly consistent with our values, but
many of which regrettably are perfectly inconsistent with our values.
So take, for example, Shariah law, which is Islamic law.
It purports that the severity of a punishment depends on

(01:15:07):
the identity of the perpetrator and of the victim. In
that sense, it couldn't be any more antithetical to American jurisprudence,
which basically says that lady justice has to be blind.
And so the people who say, hey, you know, all
religions have good, good and bad, I mean, in a
very idiotic sense that's true. But you know, Jane's people

(01:15:29):
who practice Jainism are extremely pacifist, so much so that
when they walk down the street they use a broom
so that they don't inadvertently step on any ants. Regrettably,
Islam is not as peaceful as Jainism, and therefore we
must make sure to let in people who share our values.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
But why is this so complicated?

Speaker 18 (01:15:51):
And so why is it that secular Westerners, especially in
New York feel go out of their way to try
to elect someone like Mamdani who has by no way
whatsoever could you say this guy is a believer in
Western values?

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
What drives that? So?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I mean, there are several reasons, one of which so
islam Ophelia. The love of Islam stems from several you know,
parasitic ideas, one of which is that Islam because it
is in the minority status in the West, so far,
it is viewed as the underdog, and of course progressives,

(01:16:32):
with their suicidal empathy, love to view the underdog as
downtrodden and therefore we need to protect it. Of course,
what they don't know is that Islam is the majority
position in fifty six countries that constitute the Islamic Organization,
you know, the ioc oh I see Organization of Islamic Cooperation,

(01:16:55):
and so therefore they have this reflex. Right, the noble
Gassens are the sweet boys. The Israelis are the mean guys.
And so that just comes from the reflexive bent of
progressives to always go for the minority.

Speaker 18 (01:17:13):
And so, what further about Islam do you do you
wish or want Westerners to know about? Do you think
that Islam is compatible with Western civilization?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
The short answer no, of course, millions of Muslims decide
to ignore the the you know, the incongruent elements of
their religion. They're practicing cafeteria Islam, right. They're choosing the
parts that they agree with and they're ignoring the parts
that they.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Don't agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
But once Islam becomes never mind a majority, if it
becomes a strong minority, we have fourteen hundred years of
history that tells us what happens to all of the
foundational values that we hold dearly in the West.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I mean you don't have to, you know, believe me,
you could just study history.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
I mean, almost every single one of the fifty six
countries that I mentioned a few minutes ago started off
with having zero Islam, and then you close and open
your eyes, suddenly it's ninety nine point nine percent Islam.
How did that happen? In some cases it takes five
years for it to happen. In some cases it takes
five hundred years to happen, but in Shahlah it will

(01:18:22):
always happen. I'll mention one other things. Many of your
viewers may not know this. Since nine eleven alone, Charlie,
So that's twenty four years, there have been forty seven
thousand plus terror attacks committed by Islamic terrorists in nearly
seventy countries. And now there are multiple databases that you

(01:18:43):
can use to to prove that this number is correct.
Forty seven thousand terror attacks. So that should give you
a sense of whether Islam is compatible with the West
or not.

Speaker 18 (01:18:58):
So why is it that so many Muslims are moving
to Western countries? Is it just economics or is there
something more ideological at play here?

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
It's both, of course, many many Muslims have no interest
in conquering anyone and they want as you just said,
exactly what you said, which is, I want better economic
opportunities for me and my children and so on. But
the Muslim Brotherhood and many other Islamic theorists and scholars
and politicians have said that we will conquer the West

(01:19:31):
through three means. And I hope that your listeners and
viewers take note. Number one, we will conquer the West
through the womb of our women, right, So that's a
demographic fertility battle. We will produce five children, you will
produce one point two children, and we will outbreed you.
Number two, we will conquer the West through hisra. Hisra

(01:19:53):
is the Arabic word for immigration, and that's exactly what
we do with our open border policies. And number three,
we will conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms
and liberties against you. They're screaming this out from the
top of the mountain, and yet most Westerners choose to
ignore it. Charlie, it is so galling, it is so frustrating.

(01:20:15):
I escape that world forty five plus years ago, and
here it is now hunting me down fifty years later.

Speaker 18 (01:20:23):
And it's what can we do to fortify ourselves against this?
And mass immigration leads to bad policies. You become what
you import. And I know that you're working on a
book called Suicidal Empathy, But help me further understand the
fortification strategy to help prevent this.

Speaker 12 (01:20:45):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Demography is indeed destiny, right, I mean, a culture is
defined by the values that the majority of people share
in that culture. Cultures are not all equal, right. Cultures
that throw gaze off rooftops are not as good as
cultures that don't. Cultures that don't engage in female genital

(01:21:08):
mutilation of their little girls are not as good as
cultures that don't, and so on and so forth. So
cultures have values, religions have values. It is perfectly reasonable
for a host society to say your only welcome here
as long as you completely reject some of the values
that are antithetical to ours. If yes, welcome in, my brother,

(01:21:32):
If no, stay from where you came from. I mean,
it's as simple as that. But again, Charlie, the reflex
in the West hence parasitic mind and suicidal empathy. People
in the West have been taught that it is ghosh,
it is callous to ever criticize someone's religion.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
And that's what makes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Most Westerners so impotent to ever criticize Islam, because they say, well,
you know, I've got my religion, they have theirs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Who am I to judge them?

Speaker 12 (01:21:58):
Well, you should judge.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
If those values are inconsistent with those that you hold dear.

Speaker 18 (01:22:04):
And people in the West assume that Western values are
universal and they're not. What in particular makes Islamic values
incongroup Western values?

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
What are the specifics?

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
You would say, well, there are many, but one of which.
So look, all Abrahamic faiths have a coalitional psychology us
versus them, right, The Jews say there are the Chosen people,
and they are the Goys. The Christians say they are
the ones who accept Jesus and are going to Heaven,
and the rest who are going to hell. The Moslems

(01:22:34):
say that they are the believers and the Kufar the
non believers, which is kind of a derogatory term. But
there is something unique in Islam in that the doctrines
of Islam spend an extraordinary amount of time being very
concerned about those that don't share their faith. Right, So,
for example, Judaism is not a proselytizing religion. That's why

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there are only fifteen million Jews in the world. There
are as many Jews today in the world as they
were at the start of the Holocaust.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Rough totally okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Whereas whereas Muslims, in a sense it's the ultimate successful
marketing strategy. In fourteen hundred years, Charlie, they have nearly
two billion people. So Islam is successful. Judaism sucks at
marketing itself. And so there are many elements within the
contents of the doctrines of Islam that make it uniquely dangerous.

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And again this doesn't take away from the fact that
most Muslims are perfectly nice and sweet and peaceful. But
where Islam goes personal liberties?

Speaker 18 (01:23:40):
And think about even within that statement, doctor said, Okay,
they're peaceful and sweet because we're comparing them to Western values.
And so if you compare, if you compare a Muslim
to Muslim back values, so they're sweet by our standards,
what I'm saying, and so in so far that they
will comply to the Western standard, than fine, of course,

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But what is the what is a good Muslim? What
in a Muslim standard? What does a good Muslim look like?

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Well, certainly one by doctrinally speaking, is certainly one who
is working to unify the entire globe under the unifying
flag of Ullah. Right, so that should give shivers down
the spine of most people. Look, Egypt used to be

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fully one hundred percent Coptic Christian country. Fast forward many centuries,
it's now ten percent Coptic.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Lebanon. During my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
When I grew up in Lebanon was a majority Christian country.
Fast forward forty five years, it is a largely Moslim
majority country. What happened to the Syrian Christians? What happened
to the Iraqi Christians? What happened to the Pakistani Christians?
So again, it's not as though Islam always goes into

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a place and decapitates everyone who's not Muslim, but by
one mean or another, once Islam takes a foothold somewhere,
then the trajectory is very clear. And so if we
wish to have the United States become in Islamic countries,
stay with the current open border policies, and in five
hundred years we'll all be named Muhammad.

Speaker 18 (01:25:26):
What a smart point that in the Islamic text they
spend so much time with people who do not share
their values. Christianity spell spends a fair amount of time
of it, but nowhere near Islam, though it doesn't seem
there are like direct calls in Islam of what to
do for those that don't believe. And it's a very

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Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
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Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
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Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Everybody, welcome back.

Speaker 18 (01:27:08):
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Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
By the way, there is a you want to talk about.

Speaker 18 (01:27:17):
You got to tell you this for a second before
welcome back, doctor said, I was just alerted that. So
there is on Facebook a artificial intelligence advertisement of me
which is totally fake, promoting some fake car insurance company
that has three million views and a ton of people
that are like clicking on the link and asking if
it's real. This is dark stuff. I mean, it's super illegal.

(01:27:40):
I've never heard of this company before. I never said
anything about it. So they're you, they're aiing my voice
and they're aiing my movements. We could play. Do we
have the video of this that we could play? It's
this ride and Rise is the company. If you see
any of that, We're we're alerting the top levels of Facebook.
We're alerting everybody, and this is totally criminal. Has three

(01:28:01):
point eight million views of this total scam and fraud,
and people are falling for it. So please double and
triple check if I've endorsed it. It will be listening at
Charliekirk dot com. We have the video, we should play it.
We'll play it at a different time. But I do
want to stay focused on Doctor Sad, just the disgusting stuff.
So be careful, everybody. There's a lot of fake stuff

(01:28:21):
on the internet. Stay right there. Welcome back, everybody. That
is the Rush Limbaugh music for a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
I miss that.

Speaker 18 (01:28:41):
I love that man because we have Doctor Sad here,
and I want Doctor Sad to react to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
The Limbaugh laws.

Speaker 18 (01:28:49):
Rush used to do this with a cigar and it
was just so great. I want to play five twenty
six and then let Doctor Sad just riff. This is
if Rush Limbaugh was king, and we should have listened
to This was twenty years ago. Twenty years ago. I
should get a hat. Rush was right about everything. Play
cut five twenty six.

Speaker 27 (01:29:10):
Everybody's making immigration proposals these days. Let me add mine
to the mix. Call it the Limball laws. First, you
immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language.
You have to be a professional or an investor. No
unskilled workers allowed. Also, there'll be no special bilingual programs
in the schools with the limball laws, no special ballots
for elections. No government business will be conducted in your language.

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Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold
political office. If you're in our country, you cannot be
a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled to welfare
or food stamps or other government goodies. You can come
if you invest here an amount equal to forty thousand
times a daily minimum wage. If not, stay home, But
if you want to buy land, it'll be restricted. No

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waterfront for instance. And as a foreigner, you have to
relinquish individual rights to the property. And another thing, you
don't have the right to protest. You're allowed no demonstrations,
no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no bad mouthing
our president or his policies. You're a foreigner, shut your
mouth or get out. And if you come here illegally,

(01:30:14):
you're going to jail. You think the limbo laws are harsh, well,
every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual
laws of Mexico today. That's how the Mexican government handles
immigrants to their country.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Yet Mexicans come.

Speaker 27 (01:30:27):
Here illegally and protest in our streets. How do you
say double standard in Spanish? How about no moss?

Speaker 18 (01:30:37):
Doctor Sad react to the great Rushlum Bass as a
conversation starter.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
He is missed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Look, I don't know about the forty thousandth of the minimal.
I have to calculate whether that number makes sense or that.
But the general gist of what he's saying, I mean,
I couldn't agree more right, I mean, what is it
that allows at what's the logic of having illegal immigrants
more money spent on them than American vets who've lost

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limbs fighting defending our liberties.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
I mean, Hence that's the exact point of my next
books to withstatle empathy. So, yes, Rush Limbaugh is right
about everything.

Speaker 18 (01:31:20):
In closing here, doctor Sad, what would you said the
West is a woman to be mounted?

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
That is the Islamic creed. Remind us of it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
So that quote comes from so prior to people knowing
who I am. I mean, now I couldn't get away
with it, but in the past, because Arabic is my
mother tongue, I would. I would hold conversations with all
sorts of you know, Muslim and Arabic speaking people to
sort of gauge their sentiments about things. And I would
repeatedly hear from Arabic speaking Muslim speaking immigrants, in this

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case it was in Canada always say that the West
is a woman to be mounted. And what the reflex
that that captures is that all of the virtues that
we think as laudable in the West can passion, magnanimity, generosity,
empathy are heard as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness by

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cultures that don't necessarily share our infinite larges. And so
it's exactly what they're saying, West is week it's a woman.

Speaker 18 (01:32:27):
Therefore, really quickly we know the Red Green alliance, right,
but the Islam is all about power and leftism is
all about power. Maybe that's also what they have in common.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Exactly they both despise the West. So because we both
despise the West, we will join in unison and trying
to get rid of the West. But of course the
leftists don't recognize that once Islam becomes ascendant, they will
be decapitated just like the rest of us.

Speaker 18 (01:32:56):
Doctor said, please plug your work so our audience can
follow and support.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
The Parasitic Mind was a big international bestseller. You can
certainly read my latest book on happiness, The Sad Truth
About Happiness, and I am feverishly working on my next book,
which should be out probably early in twenty twenty six,
called Suicidal Empathy.

Speaker 18 (01:33:17):
Doctor said, thank you so much, excellent work, and we'll
have you on it again soon.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Thank you, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Cheers.

Speaker 18 (01:33:24):
All right, here is the fake AI video. This is
going to creep you guys out. This is totally fake.
Be careful what you see play cut five forty one.
Americans have every right to be because it should have
been done sooner. For the longest time, corporations have been
allowed to price gouge on regulated industries like insurance, and
now because of this administration, every American has a right

(01:33:45):
to go to this page and request a state applied
reduction to any auto insurance bill. The subsidy lowers your
payment without any loss of coverage. All carriers have to comply,
and if you're a US citizen, go do it this week.
What you just heard there was completely fake, made by AI,
and it's tricking millions of people.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
Don't fall for it. We'll talk more about that later