THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, JUNE 27TH, 2025 (EP.# 4591)

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON

GUESTS:
REP. CHIP ROY
JAMES RICKARDS
JOSH HAMMER 
REP. MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the primal scream of a dining regime.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
these people.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
You've not got a free shot.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
All these networks lying about the people, the people have
had a belly full of it.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know you don't like hearing that. I know you
try to do everything in the world to stop that,
but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the
big line?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Mega media? I wish in my soul, I wish that
any of these people had a conscience.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Worry use your host, Stephen k Ban.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's Friday, twenty seven June, in the year of Our Lord.
Twenty five are on the road today and for the
next couple of days. Thank you everybody for putting the
show together. In kind of the last moment. We're packed today.
We're going to have to juggle a lot. And here's
the reason. The last day of the Supreme Court, and
they're going to be announcing a ton of major decisions,

(01:13):
including a birthright citizenship Josh Hammer is going to join
us at the bottom of this hour. They're trying to
break it all down for us. Also, we have Chip
Roy MTG and hopefully a couple of three others from
over the cloakroom in the House the Big Beautiful Bill
because of.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Issues with this parliamentarian.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Remember, the reconciliation process is a little bit of a gimmick,
but it's one that both parties use. What it means
is that you don't need to break the filibuster. You
don't need to get the sixty votes to break the
filibuster to get things passed.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You can do it on a majority of fifty one.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And when either party has that has the control of
the Senate, they normally like to do these reconciliations where
they can get getting certain things pasted. They couldn't get passed.
They couldn't get ten votes or nine votes or eight
votes of the.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Opposite party to do.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
However, there's some real technicalities about that put in by
Senator Byrd who is a real process guy back in
the late twentieth century, and they put in some processes
you supposedly you can't slip policy into it's not related
to budget. Last night, they've taken out, in fact, some

(02:27):
of the MAGA elements, particularly in medicaid and certain other
things transgender. I know from Showalter in the crowd, people
are very upset to showing people are very upset about this.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
There's a lot on this.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
There's a lot on the side of medicaid and other
things people are talking about that are not in going
to be in.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Don't know where it is.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Thuon is working right now. We'll try to bring updates now.
That's just on the Senate side. Also, it looks like
according to MTG. Chip Roy and others, some of the
provisions that they wanted into people wanted in that were
the more magup provisions. Looks like it may even been
taken out. And that includes even some of the tax issues, etc.

(03:13):
So President Trump has announced already he's not leaving for Bedminster,
which he was going to do later today and go
for the weekend. I think he's going to be here
in President Trump once again is not simply is not
simply putting the deals together.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
He's going to have to whip the votes.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
He's still demanding that this be on his desk to
sign on fourth of July, which I think is next Friday,
so a lot going on in the Hill, a lot
of horse trading and discussion. Is going to be a
work weekend, and of course we'll be there with everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
At the same time.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
There's a huge controversy yesterday with Bobby Kennedy and the
Make America Healthy Again crowd, which we're part of, about
these vaccines. We're going to have Mary Holland and other
people on in a little while to go through that.
Josh Hammer will be here to break all the Supreme
Court decisions down. There's a lot going on on this,

(04:10):
President Trump shutting down the war. The intelligence briefings that
we were live yesterday they were just getting out. Obviously
a lot of controversy. President Trump said, hey, we've we've
closed the books on this and we're moving on a
lot of Democrat feedback. He's actually accusing now of the
Democrat Party of leaking some of the preliminary results which

(04:32):
were not totally accurate.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Accurate. So we've got a lot going on today. We're
going to get on it.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I want to start with Jim Rickards and Jim there's
discussion now that Steve Witcoff said, hey, they're Iranian delegation
they're actually going to sit down with next week.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
They're trying to put a deal together.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
There's obviously not going to be regime change or no
discussion regime change that.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Make America great.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
The mag Up movement, who doesn't want to get into
an extended war, are really proud of President Trump. Although
some people said, hey, we shouldn't have any involvement at all.
He came with an overwhelming military strike package, destroyed whatever
was there for bomb making capability.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
He obliterated it.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
He's moved on, He's actually got people in discussions. Can
you put this in geostrategic framework, particularly given what happened
at NATO where we finally got the nations of Europe
that stepped up to the plate and say they're going
to actually put up five percent of GDP for their
own defense so they don't have to be protectorates of
the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Jim Rickerts, Sir.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Thanks Steve, You're right, I Steve Webkoff talking to the
Iranians is a very positive step forward.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Let's hope that happened soon and they make some progress.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Each side is sort of not shown his hand but
taking a shot literally and we can kind of go
from there. I do want to go back to.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Hey, hey Jim, can you Hey Jim, Jim, can you
hang out for one second? We get Trip Roy calling
from the cloak room on the phone about what's going on?
Can you and I always want to put a pin
in for a second. I'm gonna come right back to you.
Congressman Roy, can you get a status because it looks
very confusing up there on Capitol Hill right now.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yes, Steve, good to be on. I've just got out
of a briefing on the strikes. I think you just
articulated very well about the president's use of force and
doing it very well. I think they executed it in
the fashion that as you point out that Mago Americans are,
you know, not wanting to be involved in a long,
long term war, get involved in endless wars we've been
doing the last five years. President a gret job, which

(06:36):
got a good briefing on it. I feel much better
about it after listening to those guys. And then we'll
head up to the House floor and we got a
vote on something that's not really relevant to the VBB.
But we've been watching all the negotiations with the big
beautiful bill in the Senate, and the Senate's messing it up.
I mean, it's the bottom line. It's like, you know,
we passed a good but not great bill in the House.
You and I have talked about that didn't go as

(06:58):
far as I would prefer terms of spending restraint, but
at least was a giant step forward in trying to
honor our commitment to spending and try to at least
think about reducing the deficit. Our bill was plausibly deficit
neutral or even going down tariff revenue and economic growth
comes in. But the Senate is just blowing it up

(07:19):
right now. Would probably another trillion dollars of this in
the calculations I've seen, which we don't have build tex yet.
And you know, they're undermining a lot of the great
things we got while they're letting the parliamentarium make decisions.
They're not doing what they need to do, and they're
certainly not ending the Green new scam, which the President wants.

(07:39):
So we're gonna have a lot of work do these
next few days, and I hope the Conservatives and the Senate.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Hold the line.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Gods like Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, Rick Scott They've been
doing a great job trying to negotiate this thing to
a better place. But it's that where it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Let me ask you again, is what the Senate said,
A trade dollars, but they haven't gotten rid of the
green dam scam.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
What else? What else do they do?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (08:05):
A lot of the important provisions that we put in
there are getting stripped out. So give me an example,
Like there was provision in there to end the tax
and regulations on silencers that was stripped out. There was
a provision in there to ensure that there weren't tax
dollars going to trans under surgeries that was tripped out.
In the Obamacare subsidies, there was a tax in there
to tax these universities, endowments, these liberty universities at twenty

(08:29):
eight percent. That was water down to eight percent. There
are provisions in there to deal with the food stamps.
They took out of one hundred billion dollars worth of
our reforms to make food stamps be going to the
actual needy, not the able bodied. And this is all
of those things. I could go down a laundry list, Steve,
and I'm happy to, and I'll put out some of
the graphics and charts. I can get those of your team.

(08:51):
They're on my social media and we'll keep putting them out.
But the key here is is that you add all
that up. We're not getting the policies we want, but
importantly we're losing the savings and the cost of this
thing is going up. Because look, you and I both
want all the tax cuts. We want them extended, we
want them permanent. But there's a reality that you've got
to figure out the math. You've got to have the

(09:12):
spending restraint going alongside that. Right, So medicaid, right, our
hard working Americans don't need to have their Medicaid taken away.
But the able bodied who should be working, the people
that are engaging in fraud, the people that are using
the system in a money laundering scheme to enrich hospitals
and insurance companies, those guys we need to reform. So

(09:36):
that's what's all getting watered down over in the Senate.
So we're going to keep working on it, trying to
get that back. And again the Green new scam, we
want those things to end. I mean again in the
House to see we only like I fought like fricking
cats and dogs to get sixty percent of it taken
out right, and we think we did that. It was

(09:56):
a good bill to get rid of the sixty percent
future projects, but it would leave all all of the
existing projects in place, which personally I don't think is
good enough. But you know, you take the deal that
you can get. Well, now the Senate's watering nutdown. So
now we would allow probably half or some significant chunk
of future projects. And that's not what termination means. You
got to end these scam subsidies or we're not going

(10:17):
to have a strong grid and we're going to continue
to empower China. They also water down. We had language
in our a bill to prohibit some of this stuff
going to China and the foreign interest for solar panels, batteries,
all that stuff. They watered that down because most of
these guys want to protect their corporate cronies in their
states and their districts, who are, oh, oh, I need
my subsidies so I can have a better bottom line. Well,

(10:39):
that's not what the American people send us here to do.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Seed.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
The first line of defense is the Senate. It's Ron
Johnson and Mike Lee and these hawks in the Senate.
Do you anticipate that they will get a lot of
the change even before it comes back to you guys.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm hopeful, Rick Scott, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. You point
out very well, those three in particular have been working
very hard try to improve the bill. They're holding the line.
They need to keep holding the line. Look, they're going
to get a lot of pressure from the White House,
which you know, God love them. They're my friends, and
we want to get the border money. We want to
get the taxes extended. We want to deliver for the President.

(11:17):
But we got to get something better then we're getting it.
So these guys are going to have to hold the line.
We need the White House, but pressure on the Moderates,
not the Conservatives, but pressure on the moderates to stop
messing with the deal. And hopefully the Senate can hold
the line and get it over to it so we
can pass it. But I can promise you there's a
bunch of us over here in the House who are
not happy with it. If the Senate, you know, if

(11:41):
they were lent in the Senate and send it over
to us.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
By the way, you can't see this, but the front
page of the Financial Times of London is a massive story.
Investors flee US long term bonds and fear of soaring
debt eleven billion lflow, And it's exactly because the debt
and the deficits.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Are people up there taking this seriously that now we're
not able.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
We're kind of like in Japan where investors are uncomfortable
buying twenty year and thirty year bonds from the United
States government.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Finally, way too late, my colleagues are starting to wake
up to this reality, which is why we got the
bill that we got through the House. But the problem
is too many of the Senators and too many of
my colleagues still don't get the urgency and they don't
understand that to get this done, they're going to have
to make tough decisions, right, you have to make the
hard goals. You got to go look to somebody who

(12:34):
built a solar company based on the subsidies and saying, sorry, man,
you made a bad bet, but we're going to stop
the subsidies. You know, we'll give you a year to
wind it down, but we're done. And we got to
look at people and be honest about it. We've got
to tell people that, hey, Medica needs to be there,
for the hard working people who depend on it. But
we're not going to allow the able body to get
seven times as much money as the vulnerable. We're going

(12:56):
to fix it. We're going to end the money launder,
We're going to end the grips, and you got to
helping the hospitals. You're not going to keep getting all
this all this subsidized money. So you guys, you got
to get serious about it. You know, Republicans are always
good about the tax cuts, but they're never good about
the spending cuts. And so here we sit thirty seven
trillion dollars in debt.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Tip Roy, where do people go on your social media
to find you over the weekend. I know you're going
to be putting stuff up and it's going to be
a long work weekend on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
It is, it is.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I'm not going anywhere. Chip Roy t X c h
I P R O y t X on Twitter slash
x Rep chip Roy is my official accounts and appreciate you. Steve,
keep us, you know, keep the spotlight on this stuff.
You know all the posse out there, and stay focused.
We got to deliver for the president, but we got
to deliver the right bill, not just a bill.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
It's got to be the right bill.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
We've got to stop the spending that's killing our country,
driving up inflation, making houses unaffordable, killing capital formation like
you just described, so we got to stick with it.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Chip.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Thank you very much, Congressman. We'll check in with you
this afternoon and over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Thanks Steve Goblas.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Folks President and I Stay's not going to Bedminster. He's
sticking around the White House for the weekend. The reason
is the grind is starting Financial Times in London giving
you the bad news right there that long term bonds
a huge outflow eleven billion dollars in the quarter. Can't
sell long term bonds. Very disturbing now more than ever.

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(14:51):
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Speaker 1 (14:57):
America, can you tell us are satisfied with the briefing.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah, let me give you some thoughts about what this
transpired in there. This morning we talked about how historic
and faithful.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
These moments are.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
This is a historic time that we live in, and
this has been an incredible two weeks. Of course, it
began with Israel's strikes that were targeted against Iran's nuclear
and ballistic missile programs. They eliminated nearly the entire top
echelon of Iron's military command and nuclear scientist. And then,

(15:33):
of course this past weekend, the United States acted as
we needed to act, and we had our military forces,
of course, strike the heart of Iran's nuclear weapons program.
We delivered a major setback that resulted then in a
feeble face saving response from Iran, and immediately thereafter a

(15:53):
ceasefire agreement. We want to commend President Trump for his
decisive and bold leadership.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Let me have it, Let me have it. This is
more Johnson's happy talk.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Today.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I hope they drilled down, because look, it's total obliteration,
But I hope they drilled down on what was the
sense of urgency even have to go to this. Nobody
still answered that questions. One of the reason Tulsea Gabs
kept out of these things. That is the key point, folks,
What was the sense of urgency?

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Nobody has come through and put that on the table.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Jim Rickards, first off, I want to go you got
breaking news right now, records, which is huge.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
What happened to the Supreme Court a few minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Well, I'm an analyst, not a reporter, but I happen
to be a lawyer. The Supreme Court ruled six' three
that these nationwide in junctions by the federal district courts
exceed their authority they.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Have doesn't mean they can't.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Rule they have to confine those are juncts to their,
district to the. Parties they can't stop nationwide policy in
The White house sitting in some district court in you,
Know boston or anyplace. Else, now what's interesting about it
was six,' three not. Five Four Amy connie barrett wrote,
the opinion which is a.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Big deal so she's on board.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
With this the case involved, birthright citizenship but that's not
What The spreme court is really, talking about because that
case is going to go.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Forward in the district with these.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
New limitations but the principle that district courts cannot issue
nationwide junctions. Is historic that's going to stop one hundred
cases on twenty, different issues, you, know, immigration environment if you.
Everything else it's going to put these district court judges in.
Their place so this is an. Historic ruling it's definitive
in the sense of. Sixty three and it's nice To See,
Ammy cone Barrett And john roberts for, that matter on

(17:35):
the right side.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Of it it's a very. Big deal.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
This is jim because you're. A lawyer this Is grabbed
josh hammer on here in a. Little while this is
the way that the judicial insurrection try To Stop.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
President.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
TRUMP correct i mean they, judge shop they Go To,
san francisco to go To The rhode island to get,
this judge and these judges do these tros and injunctions
to shut the Whole Shut President trump's article two.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Policies down is? That correct that's.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Absolutely right and one of the Criticisms Of, JOHN roberts
i mean for a couple, of decades is that he
cares more about the court and the status Of The
supreme court than about some of the issues in front,
of him and that actually is the Legacy of Bush.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Versus gore that.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Push thing there, was request but that push things about
as far as they. Can Go so roberts is attentive.
To that but what's, happening now and insurrection is a.
Good word these district court Judges are they're not even
close on.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
The law this is a.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
JUDICIAL insurrection i think that's a good way to. Put
it roberts now sees that as the threat to. The
court when you have Members of congress and People Like
mike davis who know this stuff, inside, out.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Saying, you know the district courts are not in. The
constitution the only court Is The.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Supreme court there's nothing Stopping the congress from eliminating these
district courts or getting.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Rid of some of.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
These judges So when roberts, sees that, he, says hey
we have a threat to, the court but it's coming
from a. DIFFERENT direction i got to reign these district
courts and they just did it. Big time, and again
birthright relationship was, the issue but that was not the
point That the court. Was making they're saying, no more,
not quite. No more but nationwide in junction is going to.
Be rare they're going to be subject to a lot.
Of review and, you know confine your ruling to. Your

(19:13):
district that's a big deal because it turns. The tables
when you have an issue y, in junction the administration
has to go every single illegal immigrant's got to haye his.
Corpus petition you got to and you'll never. Get there
how you're going to deport a million people if you
have to have a million. Court hearings but now with
What The screme, court did, they say confine your rulings to.
This district that Means The white house can go ahead
with all the. Other deportations they're not. Being stopped.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Tell the audience why is six y three so? Important? Here,
sir well the.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Five to four would have, Been enough but lawyers look at.
These things these rulings. Established precedents the circuit courts are
obliged to, follow them, and well the district court's going
to have to.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Follow them they've just been told to get. In line
but it just carries.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
MORE weight, i mean legally would have been the same as,
six three but six' three makes. A louder statement, and
you know if you're an. Up and coming even If
you're A liberal or biden appointee at the. District court
level a lot of these, guys and, women you know
they aspire to be. Circuit court judges what judges. Actually
care about they don't like. TO get, overruled i mean
independent of where you are on a substance, of the

(20:18):
case getting overruled is like a black mark in. Your
copy book and so so they're going to fall in.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Line behind this that's why it's a.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Very big deal but just it speaks a little Louder
And Particularly. Ammy connie barrss she people can't quite figure
her out because everyone wants to put everybody. In a,
box you know you're progressive, or, you're conservative liberal, or you.
Know maggot whatever but that's not the box. She fits
in she's very. By the book she's a very good
lawyer and, a good judge and so for her to
come on board that means that this thing passes a

(20:48):
lot of legal tests that the layman might not.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
Be.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Aware of it it's. Not all politics the law has
a lot to. Do with it but she's rigorous by
the book and, she came, out you know, in my
view The, RIGHT.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Way jim i want to go now to, the intelligence
brief and it gave It. To, THE senate yes i
mean you've seen the Ones. At the Pentagon president, tru,
i'm saying. Hey Total obliteration the senate yesterday kind of
broke down. On party lines they just gave It. To
the house my beliefs are not focus enough on, the
inciting incident, like the urgency the really on the on the.

(21:19):
Bomb damaged assessment what Is your sense you're you're an.
INTEL a specialist i think you, worked a while you
had an affiliation with The. Guys at langley what is
your interpretation where we stand just on.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
The, intel part.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Well this has ITS, truths in wmd and let ME
explain why wnd was an. Intelligence, community fiasco now whether
it was, bad bad analysis outright lying, Or wishful thinking
i'll leave that.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
To these storians but it was it was they.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Were just, Wrong hang on, so you're saying you're saying.
Back hold, IT you're saying i just want.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
For the audience you're saying weapons of mass destruction back
from the two thousand, and three Times From, the iraq
war the weapons of. Mass, destruction intel, okay GO ahead correct.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I was NOT on, the WMD case but i was
at the agency in the. Aftermath of that there was
a guy Head Of The, national intelligence council which is
the cremdaily, crame of Analysts Named. Doctor THOMAS finger and
i worked With a doctor finger, quite a bit and
he was put in charge of. Cleaning this upject we
don't want this to happen against so what? Can we
do so what they did they came up with practically

(22:23):
the grammar book of vocabulary and a. Lot of words
you hear out an intelligence community in these leaks and.
Then public testimony you can't take It as plain english
when you hear, we assess that you know fill. In
the blank who says assessed in. A, Normal conversation nobody but.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
That's in this i'll CALL it the, cia you know grammarian.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
A grammar book and they put everything in the, context
of probabilities because nobody wanted to be. Certain about anything
so whenever you say we assessed with something that you
didn't do much with, a low, probability et cetera that's Not.
A plain english that's this these guardrails they put on
the problem is when you, first of all the probability
not to, get too geeky but the redistribution is. A,

(23:02):
Normal current, well i'm sorry the, real world, terrorism, you.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Know wars etc are not distributed in.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
A bell curve it's something called a power curve where really,
extreme events happened which with. Much greater frequencies they got
the wrong model for. Starters number two these words are designed. To,
avoid certainty well some. Things are binary they are there happened,
or they, didn't and, say you. Know et Cetera so So,
TULSI and, radcliffe i think, to his credit has not

(23:31):
been out. THERE very much i don't think the HEAD
of the. Cia should be. But they're constrained they're, in
a grammatical. Analytical straight jacket and so just To rise
to tulsi's defense a, little bit now about a month
ago or maybe a, little bit longer She testified that
iran was not. Making a bomb there's not, her exactly
words that's in fact. What She said well trump, said

(23:52):
they were and, she was wrong, and they. Bombed et
cetera but just to give her, a little credit she was,
being very literal meaning there's nobody sitting there the screwdriver putting.
The bomb together, at the time she didn't say they
didn't have. Hardly imagine, radium they do. They have centrifuges
they why do you enriched the sixty percent if you're not.
Making a bomb why are you buried four hundred feet
und ground if you're not, making a. Bomb et cetera

(24:13):
So they but iran was clearly moving. In That direction
but tulsa couldn't say they're. Making a bomb it was
she was doing. It, very literally, now ONE thought and
i don't know, this For sure but i'll just lay.
It out there how do We know that tulsa's testimony
wasn't part of? The, covert action, meaning you know they
flew those Be twos to guam, to throw headfake. Throw everybody,

(24:33):
off You know the gwam's a Long. Way, from iran
meanwhile they're coming Over To. The north, Pole trump said
i'm going to give you two weeks to. Figure this
out he bombed them like a couple. Of days later
so it was a brilliant EXECUTION of a Covid, action,
claim dustin sorry but, the point being how do we
know that wasn't? Part of, it, you know hey you're
sitting There in Turban Director of national tellogeny just said

(24:55):
they're not.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Making a bomb you let.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Down Your guard so i'll leave it out there as
to whether that wasn't part. Of the plan but let's
assume that she. Was being literal she's she's in. The
straight jacket now Good and us where's? Where's the creativity
where's and, by the way the way you solve these
PROBLEMS is again i don't mean to be too gig
somemp to go based there and which is designed for
solving problems when you don't have. ALL the information, i

(25:18):
would say if you have, all the information a bright
high school kick can. Figure it out the art of
intelligence is how do you figure it out when you
don't have all the information and they're using. The wrong
tools this based theorem is designed for that, because, you
update update update based.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
On NEW information So i think trump's making A Mistake.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
BY sideline Telsey i think telsi was had a grammatical
straight jacket on because of The Work, of TOM finger
and i think they OUGHT to tear i told him,
AT the time, i said, this, you know yeah you
got to, fix this problem but this is not the way.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
To, Do, it.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
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Speaker 2 (25:51):
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to a lot more.

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Speaker 1 (27:00):
Stephen, CAME back.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Okay i Want To thank jim. Burgers being with he's
gonna Stick around with it's got a lot to Go.
Through With jim josh hammer joins us now one of
the big Guns over. At article three josh walk.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Us through today there are. Some big rulings we.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Just got one if you explain, that to us and
you're gonna come back and jump in and out. As
these go but how many of these rulings are Gonna
Be the supreme court still have?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
To give us and are they going to roll? These?

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Out?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Today monday tuesday what's, Your, FEEL.

Speaker 9 (27:33):
So steve i was guessing that they were going to go.
Into next week there are some other tea, leaf reading indications,
if you will they might actually try to get them.
All out, Today For instance john roberts has a public
event tomorrow typically historically speaking to justices like to get
out all of the rulings before they kind of go
do their summer session thing and they do, the public
speeches the, law school seminars The, junkets to europe. Things

(27:55):
like that so there are various indications that think that
they're probably gonna drop some. More ONIONS today but i would,
not be surprised certainly if they go. Into next week
for the past, couple of terms they typically have gone
into the First, week of july not The, end of
june so there is some reason pressing for. That as well,
having said that the opinion that we've already gone today

(28:15):
is definitely one of the.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Most anticipated rulings.

Speaker 9 (28:18):
Of the term it's probably my personally most anticipated ruling,
of the term with the Exception of, the scrimtti case
the transgender Case, out of tennessee which was a tremendous
victory that we had a couple. Of weeks ago but
the ruling today is it was teed up as the.
Birthright Scizenship, CASE but steves i THINK you and i
discussed on a previous appearance here, on your show the
way that, this was litigated it, kind of precluded or

(28:41):
at least Necessarily steered the justice away from issuing a
ruling On The actual fourteenth amendment birthright, scision to question
because the way that the lawyer is teed it up
was about the scope of. Injunctive or relief so the
real kind of question that we got an answer to
today isn't about whether Or Not the fourteenth amendment decisionship clause.
Requires birthright slazenship are the children? OF illegal aliens i

(29:01):
hope they'll begin answer on that in the, next few years,
To be clear but the opinion today really only deals
with the issue of so called, the nationwide injunctions and
it's a six. To three ruling It's Written By, amy
Coney barrett who i've definitely been critical. Of at Times
certainly my article Three Project colleague mike davis has been quite.
Critical as well but it's a solid opinion and she

(29:22):
does not go. The full way this is not A
full fullsome Here's what the article three judicial Power of.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
The constitution says here's what it.

Speaker 9 (29:29):
Does not say it is not that THAT is, what
i wanted and hopefully we get that in the, years
to come but it is a solid victory. None the
less it effectively says that the notion that there is
a power of a court to issue a sprawling universal
injunction to bind anyone throughout the country is not a.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Power that exists.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
It is ahistorical it is not the kind of thing
that existed in the courts of Equity, Back. In midieville
england is not the kind of thing that was Adapted
into the Constitution In the judiciary act of. Seventeen eighty
nine and probably even more, KIND of mouthwatering, i might
say is just the really dripping with disdain Language The
aamy cony Barrett Has For, katanji brown jackson the. Lead

(30:08):
dissenter Here She Accuses khani brown jackson of opposing an
imperial executive branch but worshiping. An imperial judiciary it is
pretty fiery Language For, amy cony barrett who is not
necessarily always the, most you know the fieriest of the
justice on.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
The court there so there's a lot of good.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
Stuff in here it, is, a strong strong partial Victory
for the, trump ADMINISTRATION there and i guess we'll just
have to see how it plays.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Out from here are you talking?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
ABOUT imperial, judiciary i mean this has been the fight
where this judicial supremacy and this is what the progressives
have used To Chop block president trump Right on his
article two powers everything he's. Trying to accomplish but with
the theory to delay. Is to deny is this now
because we Just Had the supreme court rule in the
other day about the bad ombres being SENT out and

(30:54):
i think that. They've had to they're going after Now
judges in maryland because district judges are Not Following the,
Supreme court right so is this is this going to?
HAVE an, impact i mean these district judges even going
to pay, Attention, To, this sir no it's.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
A legitimate question we are currently at a state where
these lower courts are just so brazenly, flipping their fingers
Not Merely, at president trump but as We Saw, with
judge murphy mass chooses so brazenly sticking the middle fingers
at their own purported bosses or are their OWN actual boss,
i should Say and the article three hierarchy there that
it's hard to know what it will actually take to

(31:32):
try to corral these lower court traditional insurrectionists and actually bring. Them,
in line certainly in, my personal Capacity and we'd, article
three product we've been, supportive of everything including, jurisdiction stripping legislation,
abolishing judge ships filing articles of impeachment as necessary. Against,
ROGUE judges Certainly I Think, judge brian murphy the one
mass chooses who literally is just straight Up Ignoring the

(31:53):
supreme court order that overturned. HIS preliminary injunction i think
an Impeachment Oracle against judge murphy is wholly. Necessary right
now but for, All, THESE reasons steve i was hoping,
for a stronger a. STRONGER ruling today i was hoping
for a Definitive Kind of Clarence thomas sam alito Ruling
that says article Three of the Constitution In.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
The digital power here is.

Speaker 9 (32:12):
What it, means it absolutely unequivocally does not include the
so called.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Nation in junction we, didn't get that but. It's pretty
good it's.

Speaker 9 (32:20):
Definitely Pretty good what barrett says is that there is
strong reason to doubt on, a historical basis the veracity
or legitimacy of so called, nation wine injunctions and they
should not be used more than is absolutely necessary to reach. The,
correct ruling now there is some kind of lawyerly language
in there that you can kind of see how some,
left WING, NGOs The Aclu the, open borders advocates they

(32:43):
might try to play with. That language there they're still
trying to get some nation, y injunctions there and there's
also some leeway potentially for the rogue lower court judges
to kind of play with it a little. Bit as,
well so again it's not, the full out all OUT
victory that i, was hoping for but it's Very good
and i'm certainly QUITE happy from.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Whereisa given some of the Cases that this court has
dealt with over the, last few years or they take
something like, this local injunction but they talk about the
broader issue.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
That brought it that's why.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
A lot of us On, the fourteenth amendment we're hoping
that this is what they were going to do and.
Address birthright citizenship they clearly. Didn't do that how do
you get this back, into THE system because i think
for those of us that are looking for this case,
to do it it's.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
A massive disappointment.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Not that this, is not, important very important but we
thought that there'd be. A broader ruling here is the
timing that we got to go back and start the.
Process over again you said a. Couple of years when
you said a, couple of years my heart. Skipped, A,
beat so josh we looked to you for. Guidance on
this what, Do, you think well.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
This has to be.

Speaker 9 (33:47):
A merits case The Actual substantive fourteenth amendment decision to
clause question what? Does it mean was non mean that
cannot come on, the emergency donkey that cannot come on
the scope. Of injunctive belief that has to be a
Standard kind of you, file a petition you file a
rit Of, s ro shar you get the justice to
grant it you have a. Full oral, argument so look

(34:09):
that's the kind of thing that can be. Tied up
there and then certainly this litigation when It Comes to
president trump's executive order is. Not going, anywhere if anything
today's ruling kind of sort of has the effect of
kicking it down the road. A little bit for the
rulings or for THE reasons that, I just said it
does kind of then open up the potential gateways for
the lower, Courts, TO say okay i mean this adjunctive

(34:30):
belief is, not necessary here but maybe. It's necessary here but,
THERE is room i Think FOR the trump doj And
For The trump's solicitor general's office to try to cleanly,
TEE up this i would hope potentially For the.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Next scotus term.

Speaker 9 (34:43):
NOW here's what, i, Will, SAY though steve i will
sound a note of slight caution on this for. The
Following reason if i'm just being very sober here and
just trying to CALL it like i, SEE it there
i am unfortunately not convinced that at this exact time
there are five Votes on the court to do the
right thing on. BIRTH light zationship i really hope. THAT
there are i would love nothing more than. YOU'VE been

(35:04):
wrong i think that there are probably, Two Solid votes
Clarence Thomas, and sam alito, AND beyond that i think
that there are a lot. OF question marks I Could
see breck, havanaugh Getting There, maybe justice gorsich but you're
really starting to kind of count. Votes from THERE so
what i, would HOPE for AND i guess i, guess
we'll see is maybe there will be some shake Up
On the. Supreme court personnel it's probably, not looking great

(35:25):
to be, honest WITH you because i don't Necessarily See
So orchaitanji brown jackson retiring or anything. Like that there
but that is my one note of caution there is
that there is an argument to be made that it
might be a blessing disguise that we didn't get that
Ruling On, the Merits day because i'm not convinced that
it actually would have gone.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
In, our favor.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Josh your, Running Mate, there mike davis has. Got a
Solution Send Hopefully amy coney barrett goes back.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
To the be Dean Of The Notre.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Dame law school but we, can, only hope sir where
do people? Get your writings basically reach out if anything
else breaks where they. Get your writings you've got a
great New book On israel. And western civilization where do?
People get that where they get Everything Related to josh?

Speaker 9 (36:09):
Hammer, on socials yeah So My Ex Josh Underscore HAMMER.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Instagram.

Speaker 9 (36:13):
Josh b, hammer the book as you, kind Of mentioned Is,
Israel And civilization the Fate Of the jewish Nation and
the Destiny. Of the, West My Show The, josh hammer show,
available everywhere, Books excuse me i've available where a, podcasts
are available and then my syndicated column Is, Up At Newsweek,
real clear politics.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
A bunch of other.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Places as, well, thank you Sir, appreciate your josh thanks
for coming, On you Bat.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Thank, you.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Jim americans before we get back to before we get
back to intel and, geopolitics and strategy the possibility of
impeaching some of these district court justice because they're given
the middle Finger To, the supreme court they're given the Middle,
finger to congress they're given a middle finger to the
executive branch And to.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
The american, People, YOUR thoughts.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Well i doubt that they'll, actually impeach them but starting,
an impeachment, proceeding you know kind of beginning to go
through the process is exactly the kind Of Thing that
john roberts does not want to see because independent of
the matters, of any issue that begins to affect the
integrity of the judicial system And Ultimately. The SUPREME court
so i would say that that may be a very worthwhile.

(37:21):
Avenue to pursue not that you get it, all the
way but it's one More Reason for john roberts to
start to slap, these guys, down, you know man start
to slap down and put them.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
In their place so it's not. A bad strategy i
doubt it would go, all the way but It will.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Get robert's attention it's the kind of thing that will
again continue these. Types of rulings, And you know josh
was exactly right about the substance.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Of birthright citizenship that's going to go back to. The
district court they're going to. Have a trial see how.
It turns out it's. Going to work it's way Back To.
The supreme. Court it's right that may.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Take a year but the definitive ruling today that you
cannot have nationwide injunctions from the district court except in.
Very limited circumstances that's the law of the land. As
of now and again independent, of birthway slationship that affects one.
Hundred other cases it's a big deal, for that reason
Even though, again joshu's right it doesn't get to the merits.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Of, birthway citizenship, okay But, hang but jim THIS is
what i understand Is That the supreme court ruled the
other day About the bad own brace and about How
They can president trump in his article Two powers As
commander in chief can send these guys back to other
countries other than their.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Own for jailing and immediately you had The.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Guy IN massachusetts but i think there's also a revolt
of federal District.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Judges in maryland so it's.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's we come out with these, kind of rulings and,
these district JUDGES who Are I, think neil marxist, just,
say okay fine we're. Not doing it so what happens
that what happens, like for, instance THIS is, like i
said not, a definitive ruling. But pretty good if these
guys because you know they're going to. Do the workarounds
they're there because they're. Praised this heroes IF, you watch

(38:58):
msnbc those districts judges are held up as the paragons
of the, rule of law and Anything that supports TRUMP
or the maga movement is look. Like lawless anarchy so
how can we how can, we you know how can
we depend on even this?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Ruling being, EFFECTUATED sir.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Well i Would, Say that trump, justice Bart In The
solsten general's, office and others they've done a very good
job protraitually where they scoured. THE rule, books i mean
you can make motions to remove the judge. From the,
Case you know i'm. NOT against thempeachment i think that
these some of these judges are. You deserve that but even,
short of that or if he started and, doesn't go

(39:35):
anywhere you can be with a judge, from the case
you can appeal, the ruling again you'll get to.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
The circuit court the circuit court can.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Issue various rulings that would, favor You know what trump's.
Trying to do and bear in mind a, few Days
Ago the supreme court said that there was no bar
on deporting illegal immigrants criminals basically to countries other than.
Their home country, so this guy for guess, The, exact
name garcia, but you know, the human, trafficker, wife beater smuggler,

(40:06):
child sex, trafficker et cetera who's been described, As You, know. Maryland,
dad etcetera. Well we couldn't we had to Cam, back
mel salvador but he might be on his way to,
Uh You know suitan so, you know what and the,
swing cots. Said that's okay so we Are, getting it's
look it's a. Slow frustrating process we, are getting rulings,
but you know maybe a motion to remove the judge

(40:27):
from the case based on that conduct or. Various ethical
considerations these are all these are not taken lightly.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
In, The, judiciary.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Uh jim can?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
YOU hang on i want to hold you for as
long as we. Can keep you we've got a lot
to go through head being to scratched. The surface records
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In, a moment, god we real let's take Down let's
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Speaker 10 (43:06):
Listen to It Clarified, on capitol hill saying that everything
had been suspended since two thousand and three and. Had
not restarted that the nuclear program had not been Restarted.
By the iranians so did something change From end of march?
Until this WEEK was the? Us intel wrong.

Speaker 8 (43:25):
The intel we got and we Shared With the united states.
Was absolutely clear it was absolutely clear that they were
working in a secret plan to. Weaponize the uranium they were.
Marching very quickly they would achieve a test device and
possibly an initial device within months and certainly less. Than
a year that was the intel we Shared With. THE

(43:46):
united states i think we have Excellent. INTEL in iran
i think, we've proven that and that is something that we,
couldn't possibly accept whether it would be six months or
twelve months or thirteen months. As im material, once they go,
that's too late and we will not Have, a second holocaust.
A nuclear holocaust we already had one in. The Previous

(44:07):
century the jewish state is not going to have the
Holocaustmitted on. The jewish people it's not. Going to happen,
it's never, again is now and we have. To.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
ACT now okay mtg joins.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
US.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
By phone mtg they had, the security briefing that intelligence.
BRIEFING this morning i, assumed you went and that to
me is. The key point not the, bomb Damage Assessment which,
president trump obliterated, obliterate the bomb, but actually this did
you come away that there's any, sense of urgency that
there's any, sense of urgency there was any sense of
urgency to actually begin.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
This, entire Fiasco.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Well actually, I'm, on video steve, not On phone so
i'm here with you all. On War rooms so i'm really. Happy,
about that obviously we can't talk about what was said
in Classified briefings or i'll get in big. Trouble FOR
that BUT i think i think what's important the takeaway
right now is important that what they have been saying

(45:06):
Publicly And what president, trump has said is they feel
successful in the bombings that they carried out and the
ceasefire that has been put in place. And, PURSUING peace
however i Will, say that israel as OF this, morning
i saw Has, been Bombing hasibula. The iranian proxy so

(45:26):
we really hope that this thing, is over with and
that's yet yet.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
To be seen.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
So let's turn to the. Big beautiful, bill last night you.
Were quite concerned We talked. To chipperroy earlier you got
any better feeling for What's. Happening The senate president trump.
Is canceled leaving day's going to get he's going to
get an intel brief at eleven, o'clock an update but
he says he's not. Going to bed ministry's sticking around
to kind of put the deal together and whip the Vote.
In the senate do you feel any, better, this morning

(45:54):
ma'am that this thing's going to be anywhere near having
the mega codification that we.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
You've, had before.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Well THE only thing i can say is that the
people will not, accept, another big fat basically omnibus type
of Bill passed by republicans that does not deliver the
agenda that. They VOTED for and i fully one hundred percent.
Stand with them and what's Happening in the senate was.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Shocking yesterday watching.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
Out the provisions the provisions that we put in that
strips away funding from sex change. SURGERIES for children i
want to go off on that one, for a minute
see because that's an Executive Order. By president trump and
that is also my most IMPORTANT bill That I Have
Protect children's innocence act that's already passed through judiciary and
just needs a Vote on the house floor to make

(46:46):
it a felony criminalize sex. Changes on children so that
would be completely Unacceptable, in the house not, just for
me but a Massive majority of republicans would. Not, accept
That also the senate parliamentary and stripped out our provision
that stopped medicaid and medicare going. To illegal aliens that

(47:06):
one's also a hard No. In the house as Well
As the green news. Scam tax credits that's absolutely what
we are trying to, get rid of and that's what
people voted To End The. Green new deal so there's
many things in there that. Needs To, continue Although Steve
the senate parliamentarium did not strike out the ten YEAR
moratorium for ai on states to have their right to

(47:29):
regulate and MAKE laws on ai, For ten years i'm
going to tell you that's a hard, no for me.
A Hard no and i'll. Tell you why there is
no Legislation currently IN congress for ai THE. Future of
ai so there is no way state rights should be
tied behind their back to make regulations and laws. For

(47:51):
TEN years and i have a lot of support behind.
ME on that i was the first that came, out
on that When the first republican that came.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Out against it but.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Now forty state attorney generals have written a letter saying
absolutely not to the ten. Year State moratorium governor sarah
How could be sanders came out against it this week with,
an op ed and many other governors. Across the country so.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
We haven't stopped.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
The fight yet we're going to pass The Agenda that president.
Trump campaigned on we are going to make sure the
people get what, they voted for and we will not
stop fighting Up here in washington.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Until, that happened.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Conrisman what is your social media so people can keep
up with you today because this is a dog, fight.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Up, there ma'am yeah you can Follow ME on rep Mtg.
AND also tucker i want to Let Everyone know tucker
carlson just dropped his interview with me. From this week
please tune in. And watch that.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
We will watch it and we will, push. It out, Ma'am,
thank you. Congressman appreciate you short break