August 9, 2025 • 48 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, AUGUST 9TH, 2025
WITH DAVE BRAT, BRADLEY THAYER, TOM DANS, AND CLEO PASKAL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of stroy are enslave the Japanese people, but only surrender
can prevent the kind of ruin which they have seen
come to Germany as a result of continued useless resistance.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Would have been sooner, but I guess their security arrangements
that unfortunately people have to make. President Putin, I believe,
wants to see peace and Zelinski wants to see peace.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Trump says Putin wants to see peace. Of course, if
Putin really did want peace, he could call off his
deadly war at any moment. But he hasn't, and that's
because Trump revealed what Putin wants in exchange for stopping
the bloodshed.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You're looking at territory that's been fought over for three
and a half years with you know, a lot of
Russians have died, a lot of Ukrainians have died, So
we're looking at that, but we're actually looking to get
some back and some swapping.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Let's clear here though, that is swapping Ukrainian sovereign territory
seized by Russia by force, displacing countless Ukrainians and looking cities,
leaving cities looking like that. They're killing an estimated thirteen
thousand civilians according to the the UN now A source
tell CNN that Putin and Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff
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discussed an end of the fighting if Ukraine were to
see control of all of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions
in eastern Ukraine, land mostly under Russian control, as well
as Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed back in twenty fourteen.
As for Putin, he has never been shy when it
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comes to what his true intentions are. When it comes
to Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Russia isn't capturing territory. We are returning what's rightfully ours.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
After Hiroshima, Tokyo wondered when the next dot mbomb would pull.
They did not wonder long because the President delivered an automatum,
surrender or face complete destruction. The Japanese ignored the automatum.
It was evident that atomic power to break the enemy
must become.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
The Tale of two cities.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Nagasaki was selected to become target city number two, exactly
three days after Hiroshima. A B twenty nine set out
for Nagasaki. Instructions were precise to the north Japan's greatest
torpedo plant. To the south, steel and arms works were
located in the heart of the city. The bomb was
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aimed midway between the two plants to cause greatest possible damage.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Because the plants were.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Located in a valley, surrounding hills shielded most residential areas
and concentrated the damage on the industrial section. At ten
fifty eighth the morning of August ninth, the bomb was
exploded above the city and in the towering mushroom Japan
could read its doom. This was more than a routine bombing.
It was the funeral empire of an aggressor nation. The
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bomb had been purposely exploded high so that the greatest
part of its radioactive material was dissipated in the stratosphere.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Matthew, can you take us through Israel's plan and give
us a sense of the reception it's been met with
from the international community.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Yeah, well, we don't have all the details of the plan.
I mean, what we do know is that it's supposed
to get underway on October the seventh. That date was
picked on purpose, of course, to coincide with the two
years since the massacres led by Hamas in southern Israel.
We know that it's going to involve the mass movement
of people from Gaza City, which is the most densely
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populated area of the Gaza Strip, still not under full
Israeli military control, moved them out to the south of
Gaza where they're going to set up humanitarian sort of
evacuation center where people can get supposedly some kind of
humanitarian aid there, which Israel says it will provide, and
it would clear the way in Gaza City. This is
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the theory for Israel's military to attack and destroy ha
Mass finally, after nearly two years of trying to do that.
I guess the problem is that from a Palastini humanitarian
point of view, you know, the cure for the disease
is as bad as the disease itself. It's going to
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involve I expect, and everybody expects a great deal of
displacement of Palestine people, many of whom have been displaced
many times before. It's going to mean no humanitarian aid
for people who stay in Gaza City, and it's probably
going to mean a lot more deaths as well. We've
seen tens of thousands of people killed so far. That's
likely to continue from an Israeli point of view, and
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the vast majority of Israelis, remember, are totally against this plan.
They see this as a potentially death sentence for the
hostages that are still being held inside the Gaza strip.
There are twenty of them who are still believed to
be alive, fifty in total, but twenty still believe to
be alive. And of course, the country is utterly exhausted
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after nearly two years of constant wars in Gaza, in Lebanon,
in Syria, or recently in Iran as well, and they
just want the country to return to some kind of normality.
There's only one real group in Israel that wants this,
and that's the hard line right wing coalition partners of
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Benjamin Ettina, who Israeli Prime Minister. They've been pushing hard
for a full occupation of Gaza for a long time now.
They want to build Jewish settlements there. They're saying that publicly.
And you know, if they leave, if Netaniaou loses their support,
his government could fall. And so this is being seen
by many Israelis as a political move rather than a
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necessary one.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Some swapping of territories to the betterment of both, referring
obviously to Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
What's going on here, where's this headhead?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
The President's now going to decide who gets what?
Speaker 9 (06:11):
Well, this is like, I mean, the idea that somehow
Donald Trump is at the center of geopolitical conflicts and
is the person that is now apparently, according to reporting,
that we have this evening, going to be sitting down
with Vladimir Putin to hash out an agreement over Ukraine
somewhere in Alaska. I mean, this is pretty much a
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nightmare from any foreign policy vantage point. The fact that
the White House is even announcing that the President may
meet with Putin without any concessions that we've been told
of is like a huge legitimization of a dictator that,
for a long time, several decades, has been one of
our number one geopolitical adversaries. So, like just off the
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bat staff, it's a disaster. And the idea that somehow
Donald Trump is going to be operating without Zelenski and
perhaps without Zelenski's buy in and the best interests of
the Ukrainian people is nightmaragh. Not just for the people
who have suffered for this hellish war, but it's also
a huge line in the sand for Europe. And it's
what it means to be a democracy in the West,
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and the age of Trump, which is to say, you
can get sold up the river quite easily without any
guarantees of your survival if it serves the ego of
the president of the United States. I mean, I cannot
underscore enough how dangerous and treacherous all of this is,
and the idea that Trump, who has never really had
a plan for anything at see the first conversation this hour,
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is going to approach this in the sort of slap dash,
shoot from the hit manner he approaches everything else. Is
you know, it's a desperate hour for not just Ukraine,
but like I said, I think the entire global community
that values liberal democracy.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
From the air, the skeletons of the Mitsubishi plants made
evident that Nagasaki's war making power or was totally destroyed
or the valley area of little more than three square
miles blast and fire reduced the industrial plants and surrounding
buildings to blackened rubble. The Mitsubishi steel and arms works
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extended almost a mile in length before the blast. These
were modern buildings constructed like our own American factories. Closer
examination of the ruins shows the same complete destruction that
characterized the ruins of Hiroshima. Damage to equipment and machinery
used in the manufacture of naval rifles, AA guns and
heavy artillery was such that even if Japan had determined
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to commit suicide by continuing resistance, she could not have
salvaged much from the ruins.
Speaker 10 (08:46):
Well, that is throwing down the Goldland yet again to
Europe and elsewhere, and you know that is creating another
nightmare quite frankly, But can I just go back and
quickly talk about Trump and Putin because I spent years
of my life in the formers of it Union and
I still watch a lot of Russian television, and someone
should tell President Putin, sorry, sorry, President Trump, a terrible
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slip there, President Trump.
Speaker 11 (09:10):
That you know, on the Nike television shows in Moscow
in recent months, Virchia and things like that, they actually
discussed very openly the idea that actually Russia thinks it
should own Alaska. Russia has been incredibly expansionist in its
rhetoric in the last few months, and so the idea
of sitting down in Alaska, of all places, where people
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have been saying on Russian TV shows like this, on
Russian television saying, you know, actually we think we should
take back Alaska. Shows just how either wilfully blind people
in the White House are to the mentality of the
Russian leadership right now, or they just don't care and
they're trying to strike a deal directly with Putin.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's Saturday, the ninth of August, and the year of
Lord twenty twenty five, with wars and the rumors of
war about this is the eightieth anniversary of the commemoration
of the dropping of the second nuclear weapon. It was
dropped on Nagasaki. The Japanese has still refused to surrender.
We've got a very packed show today, but we're going
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to start there and also about Russia and Gaza and
all of it. Dave Brett joins me right now. Even
as we speak, Steve Whitkoff, the President's envoy for all
of these deals, is meeting and I think has been
reported Abitha, a resort island off of Spain, with the
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heads of Cutter and they're coming up right now with
a comprehensive plan that would be an alternative to the
gods occupation, which has essentially been, as we said, greeted
by the world. The Chief of staff of the IDF,
the Israeli Army, and the rest of the world as
maybe not the best idea in the world. We keep saying,
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as long as it's going to depend upon American involvement logistically,
which it will, it's a terrible idea. Also, the Russians
have put out their Titanic forces already trying to destroy
this historic meeting. Dare say I call it a summit.
The mainstream media won't call it that between Putin of
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the KJU in Russia and President Donald Trump. A historic
meeting in a very historic place. Dave Brett joins his
co host Today. We've also got clear Pascal and doctor
Thay are going to be here to explain all of
it about the Pacific War and how the Americans tried
to bring that to an end, and also Tom Dance
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is going to talk to us about Alaska. First. We
got a couple of minutes here, Dave Bratt, and by
the way, we give our young charges here in the
war room. Just another Bravo Zula for an amazing cold
open intercutting so many different parts of history and modern geopolitics.
Dave Brett, your thoughts are where we are on this
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a commemoration of the bombing of Nagasaki.
Speaker 12 (12:47):
Yeah, well that kudos took for the cold open Cameron
again that not only just the content, but the cultural
situation we face our itself in with these elites commenting, right,
so Heroshima, Nagasaki War.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (13:07):
And then the elites there it was.
Speaker 12 (13:09):
It was I can't remember which of them, but she
says the I can't believe this. The president gets to
decide what we're going to do in Ukraine, President Donald
he gets to decide.
Speaker 13 (13:19):
What we're gonna do. Uh.
Speaker 12 (13:21):
There's been no commentary from the left on the establishment
going in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Right.
Speaker 12 (13:26):
This all started back we took out Mosa deck with
the CIA and MI six, back with Eisenhower who went
along reluctantly with a CIA who yanked him in right
with I six sound familiar, same same as today.
Speaker 13 (13:41):
So the president did all that.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
Then you've got the Bushes and their deal with Gorbachev
in ninety one, no comment on that. And then these
elite betters the Financial Times and she's you know there
act like they're the elitists, know it alls.
Speaker 13 (13:56):
They are, they are the bright ones, They're they're very smart.
Speaker 12 (13:59):
Right, they write the A plus US paper, but on
the wrong subject. If you'll notice, these elite betters don't
bring up the thesis statement of our current modern world,
which is China. All of these things we're talking about,
our takeaways, opportunity costs, wasted resources, away from our mission
statement and our strategic objectives. And so the cold open
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was just great at showing the irony of our elite
betters trying to frame the issues and they missed the
thesis statement.
Speaker 13 (14:29):
I'm glad you got Fayre with and all that today.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Hang on for a second, Dave, You're gonna be with
me for the next two hours. We're gonna get into
the m RNA vaccine, all of it here on a
Saturday in the war room. We're gonna take a short
commercial break, we're gonna return and we're gonna talk about
eighty years ago the Imperial Japanese High Command in the
bombing and Nagasaki.
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Speaker 7 (15:46):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
There is a book of the many thousands or books
on World War Two, this one that's particularly good about
a history of World two, and I think Denver will
have the cover here in a moment called annihilation kind
of in a different framing and talking about how wars
and they use. World War two is an example. As
wars go on because of deaths and destruction and people's
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families being destroyed and friends being destroyed and home towns
being destroyed, that the natural human element of revenge and
vengeance takes over and that as particularly people and sides
dig in, these wars become wars of annihilation. This was
what World War II was and it reached a absolute
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peak in the bombing of Germany and the destruction of
the Red Army in Germany, and also in the Pacific theater,
where the Japanese who started the war would not surrender,
led to the fire bombing of Tokyo by Curtis L.
May and then eventually to the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
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This is the lesson for today, and this is the
big lesson in Ukraine. Remember, as we continue to say,
and the only people that really understand how to frame this,
this is much deadlier than the early years of the
Second World War, from nineteen thirty nine, the invasion of
Poland to all the way to the Rmark's Operation Barbarossa,
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the invasion of Russian Actually I would go back and
even throw in the Asian part of the war Manchuria,
Nan King and all that, all the bloodshed there from
nineteen thirty five, I guests on you still wouldn't get
the bloodshed you've seen in the combination of Ukraine and
Gaza today. And this is why what President Trump is
trying to do is absolutely heroic. And you see right there,
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particularly in that cold open Stephanie Rules showed last night
with Wagner and Jillian Tett absolutely losing it. How can Trump?
This is authoritarianism? How can you do this? He's trying
to bring these wars to a conclusion before they spend
even more out of control than they already are. And
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in both situations, they're absolutely totally out of control. And
what President Trump's trying to do is absolutely heroic, right
And there's going to be some speed bumps, obviously, but
the world right now is totally against The Europeans there meeting,
they're trying to come up. There's titanic forces to try
to stop this. Particularly they don't want putin. They don't
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want the Russian people and the American people to kind
of come together and think this thing through, particularly about
the Chinese Commanist Party. So the infiltration of the West.
You're going to see it all in all of its
glory between now in the fifteenth of August, I want
to bring in a dog star with doctor Bradley Thayer,
so frame this for us. Nagasaki, the Japanese got hit
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by a nuclear weapon in Hiroshima and still would not surrender.
We had to go and drop the second nuclear weapon
a couple of days later, and still they would not surrender.
It go back in time and tell us put the
framing around this, sir, Well.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Steve, as you said, it's very hard to end wars.
Speaker 14 (19:03):
It's very hard in particular to end great power wars
because of the sacrifices the blood price, as Cloudswitz put
it right, in a great power war, the blood price
is going to be very high, So it makes it
very difficult to end these conflicts once they've started. So
what Nagasaki did and why it's so significant, is after Hiroshima,
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the second atomic bombing demonstrated the US had this horrific weapon,
the nuclear strategist Bernard Brody would later call the absolute weapon,
and the Japanese didn't know how many we had, and
reality we had about one more that we could have
put together really by the end of the month. So
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the Japanese didn't know how long this was going to
go on, and that was critical for convincing the emperor
to intervene and break the deadlock. The Japanese cabinet was broken,
was divided between a pro war faction and a pro
peace faction, that is, those who wanted to end the war,
and the Emperor came down on the side of the
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pro peace faction, and that broke the deadlock once the
Emperor conveyed his as will. Very hard for the emperor
to do that, and even when the Emperor did come down,
there was an attempted coup by the Japanese Army, a
small faction within it which tried to seize the broadcast
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recording the night of August fourteenth and fifteenth, so that
the Emperor's peace message surrender message could not have been
broadcast on August fifteenth, as in fact it actually was.
So the Japanese, of course, were die hard and so
many of them did not want to end the conflict.
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It took the Emperor's intervention, and as you know, Steve,
it's for the first time that you happen these people
heard the Emperor's voice.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Ever to actually end that conflict.
Speaker 14 (21:06):
And of course it was of course very important that
he did end it, because it had avoided the deaths
of so many Americans and the millions of Japanese who
would have died as a consequence of it, as well
as of course it kept the Soviets out of Japan
because the Soviets would have invaded northern Japan had the
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war gone on, and Japan would have ended up divided
into a communist north and a free democratic south, as
Germany was divided, of course, and then later his Korea
was divided between a Soviet faction, a Soviet a proxy,
and a pro Western government. So Nagasaki what we commemorate today,
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the eightieth anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki was supremely
important because it ended a war that was devilishly hard.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
To end, and it in the door to the nuclear era.
Of course, the era, but the day.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, the reason I wanted to intercut it and my
team did a great The team did a great job
was that there were still the Bushido Samurai faction that
did not want to surrender. Remember we were fresh out
of nuclear weapons. I think we only had two that
were operational. Uh, and still they got hit. They also
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there's also another big bombing to the place, but they
had been firebombed by Curtis la May brutally to try
to break their industrial capability. In the spring. I think March,
the middle of March is one of the worst fire
bombings of the world UH in the history of the war,
and still they would not surrender. They got hit with
two nuclear weapons, and yet there was still a significant
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faction of the High command and the Japanese Army that
just wouldn't put it down. My point is, these are
these wars are so hard to stop. This is about
the heroic effort of President Trump. Remember in Ukraine right now,
there's been two million casualties that never really gets brought
up that much. President Trump says all the time. The
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Ukrainian actually Zelenski's people play down the number of deaths
of civilians and Putin and the KGB never want to
let the real facts out of how the Red Army
or how the Russian Army has been. So I don't
say a nap because they're kind of finding the way
the Russians do. But the casualty rates of the Russians
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a huge. President Trump, I think said last week or
two weeks, so it was like twenty thousand over the
last couple of weeks. This war in Ukraine is as
brutal as anything that was fought in the twentieth century.
And what's happening at Gaza is as brutal as anything
happened in the twentieth century. Look at the Earl. I
put up some drone footage the other day from I
think it had up on the Guardian a drone footage
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and it looks like Dresden in nineteen forty five and
Hamas in the Muslim Brotherhood. Look that military capability. He's
got to be taken out. But it's going to be very,
very difficult, particularly as you've kind of waited this long
to do it, and they had kind of fits and starts,
et cetera. So his efforts here in peace are a
long way from getting done right. And the key is
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for America first is to make sure that we don't
get drawn exorably into these wars. Cleo Pascal, once again,
the part of the world that you're an expert in
is front and center on the eightieth commemoration because it
once again reinforces the importance of the Western Pacific to
the strategic interest of the United States of America. One
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of the reasons, principally because it's United States territory, right,
people have to understand we're not going overseas to do this.
This is part of the United States of America, ma'am, yes.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Well, box car which took off to bomb Nagasaki. In fact,
I think it was a secondary target because the first
one was covered by clouds. Took off from Tinian, which
is in the comwealth of Northern Marianas, which is now
in the United States. And it was really very much
this geography that allowed the US to be in a
position to.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
End the war.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
And Alaska is a part of that. Billy Mitchell was
talking about this well before the war in the thirties
about how Alaska was pivotal to what we would now
call hemispheric defense. It is part of the Pacific, so
that whole hemispheric defense concept is very much embedded in
a strategic understanding for over one hundred years of how
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the US can be safe. And an interesting thing to
me is what happens next about the American way of winning?
What happens when you win? And this was something that
was put in place with the Atlantic Charter before the
US even entered the war, because the question is what
are you fighting for? All these people are going to die,
the families are going to be destroyed, economies are going
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to be ravage. What for? And the U, US and
and and the British put together this Atlantic Charter to
say what they were going to fight for, and fundamentally,
at least in the Pacific, it is this free and
indo Pacific concept that we're now trying to maintain again.
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So how do we how do we prioritize what to
fight for?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
How do we make it explicit?
Speaker 7 (26:23):
I think we need to do it again so we
know where we're trying to head. So if we do
have to fight, we know where the limits are and
what the goals are, and you don't end up in
this sort of endless war that we're seeing again.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Cleo, can you hang on? Doctor Thayer? Tom Dance is
going to join us. We've got Dave Bratt on a
Saturday Morning Wars and the Rumors War in the eightieth
commemoration with the bombing and Nagasaki back in a moment confuse,
host Stephen k Bat, Dave Brat, can you pick up
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on clear Pascal's a brilliance right there about the American
way went about ending wars. Because this is what we're
talking about here, folks. Let me be blunt. America first
is about taking care of business here. But we're not isolationists.
The first thing we have to do is extract ourselves
from these bloody conflicts in the Middle East and in
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Eastern Europe that are not in the vital national security
interests in the United States. I'm just sorry they're not.
So we have to do that, and we have to
focus on hemispheric defense, and we have to prioritize as adults,
particularly against the existential threat we have, which is the
Chinese Communist Party. Dave Brat your thoughts.
Speaker 13 (27:49):
Yeah, well, thank god for experts like Bradley and Cleo.
They're right on the money.
Speaker 12 (27:54):
I'll just connect a couple dots starting up Bradley at
the japan established. Beware of the establishment versus the wisdom
of the emperor. Right, who's chosen probably has more historical awareness,
and the establishment always wants war.
Speaker 13 (28:11):
That brings us to Zelensky and that.
Speaker 12 (28:14):
Choice, the choice, there's no choice for peace anymore, right,
the establishment news media in this country never shows you
the exact choice. He had a choice, you know, a
year or two back, maybe for giving up you know,
a bit of the South and maybe a couple of
the Bletsks regions.
Speaker 13 (28:32):
Small territories.
Speaker 12 (28:33):
Now, the deal for Zelenski is Kiev or no Kiev. Right,
it's not a peace deal, it's the survival of Ukraine.
And the idea that this you know, unelected person gets
to choose is way off base. And then finally our
US establishment to bring us up to the modern day,
what happens when the dog catches the car? Okay, so
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our establishment actually wants to go to war against Russia.
We're shooting missiles five hundred miles in. What's the plan?
Our establishment? It lead us in the news, don't tell
us that. What's the choice there?
Speaker 13 (29:05):
What are we going to do?
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Take Russia and break it up into five pieces? And
then what how's that go? Talk about the war of obliteration?
And so that ties into Alaska. If we do a
reprochma with Russia, which would be a very intelligent thing
to do, then the Alaska piece probably fades off into
some deal. You know, that's their key interest if they
want to go ahead to head with us, and we're
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still abstracting from China. But yes, President Trump should not
be led by the CIA and the establishment who were
out to get him, who are out to get you.
Speaker 13 (29:37):
He knows all this now, but he's got a.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Ton of powerful people pushing him, and everybody pushed right,
They pushed us to lie on the NATO expansion back
in ninety one. Seventeen countries later, we're at the end
of the line with Ukraine and Trump does not want
to go there. So expert commentary from the experts.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Let's bring in Tom Dan's I want to talk about Alaska.
In fact, you mentioned with clear is this set a
moment ago about the Billy Mitchell comment strategic I think
the governor Alaska picked up your comment and put it
up on Twitter today. Alaska is central to Hemisphere defense
and folks, you know, and you had John Bolton on
last night, you had you had excuse me, Biden's former
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national security advisors on TV NonStop saying, oh, this is
a huge defeat for Trump to have putin come to Alaska.
What are you talking about? It's absolutely brilliant. People should
understand two things that Trump has done that is absolutely brilliant.
Number One, he has chosen Alaska right as the place
that they will sit down. Number Two, it's on the
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fifteenth of August. Now what is that. Oh, yeah, that's
the eightieth anniversary commemoration of japan surrendering, not the formal
document that didn't take place until early September. Paying the
Emperor addressing his nation and saying it's over was on
the fifteenth of September. Fifteenth of August. And that's why
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it's very symbolic what President Trump's doing. Tom Dan's Alaska,
You've been central to get the American public through the
war room up to speed on this. Why is it
so brilliant to actually have this meeting between Putin In
President Trump in Alaska?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Well see the thanks, and it's brilliant.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
And as you're cold open well showed, it's terrifying to
a lot of people who are highly invested in Russia
and America being foes and adversaries.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It's because really.
Speaker 15 (31:38):
This is where the US and Russia come together and
our history, and both President Trump and President Putin are
keen students of history and they get the significance of it.
And both countries have a lot in common. And we're
not ever allowed to say this. We can't, says Russia
and the US. In a sense, we are both pioneer countries.
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Russia moved eastward, the US moved westward. Alaska is where
they met. And remember the context. People have all heard
about Sewart's folwges. Let's go back in the history here.
We're talking about the purchase of Alaska in eighteen sixty seven. Right,
this was started that grew out of Russia's problems coming
out of losing the Crimean War. So they were they
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had some financial difficulties after losing the war against England. Right,
So all these things kind of go back in time.
At that point in time, they had Alexander the Second
the war room. Posse's well, familiar with your admonitions about
becoming Russian serfs. Well, guess what happened. Americans all know
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about the Emancipation Proclamation.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Of eighteen sixty two.
Speaker 15 (32:46):
What they don't know is the emancipation Law of eighteen
sixty one was in Russia when they freed the serfs.
Alexander the Second, Guess what happened to Lincoln?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You got killed.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Guess what happened to Alexander the Second, he got killed.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Right, So this is.
Speaker 15 (33:03):
The same kind of dialectic that you've seen throughout history.
And our nations came together and made a trade there
and it worked for both sides. And you know, it's
there's some history there that continued in terms of like
where we meet today as we're competing, but we're at
our best point when we are competing and cooperating.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Dare I say it two Christian nations that would come together.
They absolutely hated the elites in this country, hated the
elites in Europe hate it, absolutely hated, despise it. They
want us at war with each other and not focused
on our common enemy, the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing,
in the strategic centrality of Alaska and hemispheric defense. It's
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quite breath takingly brilliant of President Trumpet, and also to
put it on fifteen August, on the eightieh commemoration of
the Emperor, saying it was over in the Pacific War,
Doctor Thayer, any closing thoughts on this, You've done such
a great job of putting this together for us and
reminding the supportant. We're going to have you on as
(34:11):
we do the run up to the fifteenth August summit
with Putin, because we're going to remind people of how
this is all inrestricably linked because the two great allies
of World War Two. Yes, Britain was our allies, absolutely
no doubt about that. But the blood that the Russian Army,
the Red Army shed is what drained the Wehrmach of
their power to really defend the West and allowed us
(34:34):
to get to unfortunately not take Berlin for all kinds
of political reasons, but to drive across Western Europe and
actually be part of the taking down of the Nazis
and Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 14 (34:47):
Sir, well, Steve Alaska's genius from the standpoint of political
warfare targeted against the Chinese Communist Party for the reasons
that you mentioned, of course, but it also is in
August fifteenth as well, the end of the Japanese announcement,
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announcement that they'd accept the Potsdam Declaration and surrender. But
it shows that the door is now opened to a
great improvement in the relationship between Russia and the United
States against the CCP. So we're going to end one war,
a war that really never should have started, the war
between Russia and Ukraine, and wouldn't if Trump had been
(35:32):
in office.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
And what we're going to be doing now was moving
forward to a great improvement and on taunt in the
relationship between Russia and the United States directed against the CCP.
So very important, it's just genius from the standpoint of
political warfare in terms of the location and in terms
(35:53):
of the illumination of the next steps to be taken
in the fight against the CCP. So absolute genius.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Cleo Pascal. You've done such a great job being out
there in that part of the Western Pacific. Now something
so monumental is going to happen on the Pacific rim
and really reinforce the fact that hemispheric defense is centered
on the Pacific. Your closing thoughts, Man.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
As with the Atlantic Charter at the beginning of the
last war, it might be beneficial to start thinking about
an Indo Pacific Charter based on what we actually want
to see in the Pacific, in which allies are ready
to sign on to it. This is something that Congress
has been looking at actually for decades. Ben Gilman was
appropriated money for it, Congress won to radwag and for
(36:47):
American Samoa has been talking about it recently. This has
been bubbling around, but basically to say, what is it
we would be willing to fight for this time In
terms of this, hemispheric defense means to us what allies
are on side, how can we help them to fight
to defend themselves and ultimately to defend the things that
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we believe in and we're willing to die for and
are willing to die for again. That has to be
very clear, not some fuzzy concept or insecurities or on
cascade that's out of control. Let's try to make it explicit.
Let's talk about it and figure out what it is
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that is framing the hemispheric defense, to make it so
important that we're willing once again to go right up
to that line in order to be able to defend it.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Cleopascal, what is your social media? People want to follow you?
So where they go? Man for your writing, commentary, observations,
all of it.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I'm on ex just my name Cleopascal, CLO PSKL and
again because somebody took my name, I'm Getter. I'm just
real Cleo and you can find me in both places.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Thank you, ma'am. Your travels. You want to follow Cleo's travels,
go to go to UH, go to Getter and go
to UH and go to uh Twitter uh. Doctor Bradley Thayer,
where do people get you? You're putting up great stuff
every day, including notes of h of the Third World War.
Because we are in the kinetic part of the Third
World war which President Trump is trying to end. MS.
(38:30):
Wagner and miss tet over the Financial Times at MSNBC.
Where do they go, Sir.
Speaker 14 (38:37):
Steve brad Thare and X and Bradley theer at Truth
and on Getter. Thanks very much Steve for calling attention
to this. It's Nagasaki is so important and it reverberates,
of course with the strategic problems and concerns and issues
that we have today.
Speaker 13 (38:54):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It's it's important, folkss understand you can get fine bombed
and then hit with two tactical nuclear weapons and still
not be ready to surrender. This is a lesson for
the modern world, particularly what's happening in these two in
the Gaza and what's happening in the in Ukraine. And
President Trump gets that. So thank you so much. Doctor.
(39:18):
They look forward to seeing both of you guys next
week as we do the run up. Cleo and doctor
Therapy with us we do the run up to the
summit on the fifteenth. I want to thank you guys.
Tom Dan's you just got back from Alaska. You'll be
part of this coverage too, because you understand the importance
of it, the importance of the Arctic the importance the
centrality of Alaska in the strategic design of peace for
(39:40):
the United States of America for a homoseric defense. Where
do people go Tom to get all your writings and observations?
Speaker 15 (39:48):
Sure, thanks, Steve, I'm at on x at Tom Dan's CFA.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Thank you brother, look forward to seeing you next week.
This caught people like a thunderclap on a clear summer day.
The establishment the hatred last night coming at President Trump,
a peacemaker. Think about it for a second. He's trying
to bring peace to two areas of the world, and
(40:17):
I understand. Look, cutter, are I think some of the
worst bad ombreries on earth. But to understand that you're
sitting down them because they are part of the equation.
You just have to embrace that reality, as unfortunate as
it is. But to try to do this in the
Ukraine War and in the Gods of War, after doing
this amazing transaction with Azure Beijan in Armenia, it is
(40:42):
America first, because to get our sorted here, we've got
to make sure we're not drawn into these wars on
foreign battlefields. Short commercial break, you'll see some madness as
we come back in a New Cold Open next in
the world strategies.
Speaker 16 (40:59):
For example, this is not so much about democracy, but
you're seeing just today there was protests and arrests outside
immigration courts here in New York City because people are
outraged about the abuse of the way that ICE is
abusing the court system to trap people. And so again,
(41:20):
I mean, I think that there is no need. You know,
we've talked in the show I've been you know, I've
been on MSNBC for years and for a long time,
we talked about we could be falling into authoritarianism, we
could be moving, we could be losing our democracy. I mean,
now we're in the authoritarian slide, and the models for
reversing that are not simple. People have tried to prosecute
(41:44):
Trump for crimes and other sorts of misdeeds, and so
there's not an equivalent in him them trying to prosecute
the prosecutors for prosecuting him. And so again I don't
say I think that trying to be decorous and uphold
the norms while this administration goes after them with us.
Speaker 17 (42:05):
I mean, how it works that case got him elected,
I don't know that went that gave him his redemption narrative.
You could argue that that case, I think it helped.
I think it brought him back from the political dead,
and it gave him a comeback narrative that his people
needed to see after January sixth. So I think that
case did a lot for him in the judicial system,
(42:28):
for him going and going through it and then being
seen as this resurrection figure. So I think that the
potency of what happens in the judicial system, I do
think it matters when it comes down to the politics
of it too, and how the electorate is going to
respond at the end of the day.
Speaker 18 (42:45):
From New York, I'm Maley Belshian for Chris Hayes. Donald
Trump campaigned explicitly on a platform of revenge against his enemies,
and now he is fulfilling that promise.
Speaker 11 (42:54):
My pick is another person who's thought about this week,
which is the president of Brazil, who said he was
not going to humiliate himself by just rolling over in
the face of Trump's taris. Instead, he basically is holding firm.
And what's particularly significant is Trump is imposing these tariffs
not for economic reasons, but because he doesn't like the
(43:16):
way that the judicial system in Brazil is going After
the former president President Bolcenara. So my pick is Lula
from Brazil, who's had the courage to stand up, and
let's hope that encourages others.
Speaker 18 (43:28):
It's kind of rhetoric is nothing new for authoritarians. Benito Mussolini,
Italy's fascist dictator for two decades, spoke of Italy's need
for an avenger. But the point is the same. I'm
going to reward my friends, but more importantly, I am
going to punish my enemies. The revenge presidency is here.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
In some respects. It makes the Lease's point on.
Speaker 19 (43:52):
Push that these cases, I mean, just start with the
first impeachment. The man has weathered all of this stuff
and you know he wasn't convicted twice in the Senate
on two impeachments. He comes back and he starts says,
I started this conversation with I'm your retribution, and to
(44:13):
Elisa's both Alisa and Elisa's point, he you know, his
followers filled in whatever they wanted on that, and so yes,
the retribution, some may think is he's out there fighting
for them against this big, bad government. But Donald Trump
is fighting for himself and he's winning.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
So that court narrative.
Speaker 19 (44:34):
Has played out in sort of a backhanded way to
seemingly help him because he's beat the system at every turn.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
The other meltdown. Last night, I was bet Letitia James
and Shifty Shift and these investigations now Grand Juri's criminal
Grand Juries have been impaneled. They've given the great Ed
Martin is now the prosecutor. He's over the in main
Justice as the weaponization czar. He's now after both of
these for I think for loan fraud, right, for taking
(45:06):
houses that were not their primary residence and getting loans
seeing their primary residence. There's much more that's gonna come there.
Also what President Trump's doing across the board as he's
now winning and going on offense against seditious conspiracy, which
they're in total meltdown. This is where we have momentum.
We have momentum on redistrictating, we have momentum in the courts.
(45:27):
And as anybody will tell you in warfare, you press
your bet, you drive it, you drive it, you drive it,
Dave Bratt, we're not just winning, we're picking up momentum.
We're accelerating at an accelerating rate.
Speaker 13 (45:39):
Baby, you took my buried lead.
Speaker 12 (45:42):
I was gonna start with the conclusion first Trump winning
coming from MSNBC.
Speaker 13 (45:46):
I mean, man, it's so good.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
First all, man, no, I can watch that, We could
watch those, We can watch that all day, all day.
Speaker 13 (45:57):
It's yeah.
Speaker 12 (45:58):
First off, I want to give a shout out to
the Dan's brothers, Paul and Dan. Those guys they got
Mit brains, their intellects. They know what freedom and liberty
and the USA is all about. So huge shut out
to both of the Dan's brothers. Then I'll just start
with these clips. I mean they're just so good. I mean,
so we First of all, democracy is in jeopardy. We've
(46:22):
got a totalitarian dictator. And then she goes on to
prover point this is in the context of illegal immigration. Yeah,
illegal immigration, and her subtext is all people matter.
Speaker 13 (46:37):
This census issue is huge. We've got to fix this.
Speaker 12 (46:40):
Democracy does kind of imply everybody matters. That's why the
other day on the show, I brought up we got
to switch the language big time and drill down into
this constitutional republic where your representatives represent these things called citizens.
That's what we got to get back to. Mike Ben's
did a deep dive on this a couple of years ago. Right,
the US State Department usaid the logic was, and they
(47:03):
changed in law or at least through executive order under Biden,
the democracy language such that democracy would be defined not
by the people but by the institutions set up that
protect democracy, including the mainstream media, so that if you
went after the mainstream media, you were violating and challenging
democracy itself and you could get put behind bars, which
(47:26):
you did.
Speaker 13 (47:27):
So this is just stunning. And then you know Financial
Times are intellectual betters. You know Oxford Cambridge just reeks
of elitism, which I used to like.
Speaker 12 (47:36):
But she says, what my pick, Lula, right, I don't
like Trump, so my pick. So it boils down to this.
They're finally letting the buried lead out right. The mainstream
media don't like Trump. My pick doesn't have anything to do
with the American people are leaders nothing.
Speaker 13 (47:51):
So Trump's winning. That's the great news. We're winning.
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Of stroy are enslave the Japanese people, but only surrender
can prevent the kind of ruin which they have seen
come to Germany as a result of continued useless resistance.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Would have been sooner, but I guess their security arrangements
that unfortunately people have to make. President Putin, I believe,
wants to see peace and Zelinski wants to see peace.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Trump says Putin wants to see peace. Of course, if
Putin really did want peace, he could call off his
deadly war at any moment. But he hasn't, and that's
because Trump revealed what Putin wants in exchange for stopping
the bloodshed.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You're looking at territory that's been fought over for three
and a half years with you know, a lot of
Russians have died, a lot of Ukrainians have died, So
we're looking at that, but we're actually looking to get
some back and some swapping.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Let's clear here though, that is swapping Ukrainian sovereign territory
seized by Russia by force, displacing countless Ukrainians and looking cities,
leaving cities looking like that. They're killing an estimated thirteen
thousand civilians according to the the UN now A source
tell CNN that Putin and Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff
(01:22):
discussed an end of the fighting if Ukraine were to
see control of all of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions
in eastern Ukraine, land mostly under Russian control, as well
as Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed back in twenty fourteen.
As for Putin, he has never been shy when it
(01:42):
comes to what his true intentions are. When it comes
to Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Russia isn't capturing territory. We are returning what's rightfully ours.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
After Hiroshima, Tokyo wondered when the next dot mbomb would pull.
They did not wonder long because the President delivered an automatum,
surrender or face complete destruction. The Japanese ignored the automatum.
It was evident that atomic power to break the enemy
must become.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
The Tale of two cities.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Nagasaki was selected to become target city number two, exactly
three days after Hiroshima. A B twenty nine set out
for Nagasaki. Instructions were precise to the north Japan's greatest
torpedo plant. To the south, steel and arms works were
located in the heart of the city. The bomb was
(02:37):
aimed midway between the two plants to cause greatest possible damage.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Because the plants were.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Located in a valley, surrounding hills shielded most residential areas
and concentrated the damage on the industrial section. At ten
fifty eighth the morning of August ninth, the bomb was
exploded above the city and in the towering mushroom Japan
could read its doom. This was more than a routine bombing.
It was the funeral empire of an aggressor nation. The
(03:04):
bomb had been purposely exploded high so that the greatest
part of its radioactive material was dissipated in the stratosphere.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Matthew, can you take us through Israel's plan and give
us a sense of the reception it's been met with
from the international community.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Yeah, well, we don't have all the details of the plan.
I mean, what we do know is that it's supposed
to get underway on October the seventh. That date was
picked on purpose, of course, to coincide with the two
years since the massacres led by Hamas in southern Israel.
We know that it's going to involve the mass movement
of people from Gaza City, which is the most densely
(03:47):
populated area of the Gaza Strip, still not under full
Israeli military control, moved them out to the south of
Gaza where they're going to set up humanitarian sort of
evacuation center where people can get supposedly some kind of
humanitarian aid there, which Israel says it will provide, and
it would clear the way in Gaza City. This is
(04:10):
the theory for Israel's military to attack and destroy ha
Mass finally, after nearly two years of trying to do that.
I guess the problem is that from a Palastini humanitarian
point of view, you know, the cure for the disease
is as bad as the disease itself. It's going to
(04:30):
involve I expect, and everybody expects a great deal of
displacement of Palestine people, many of whom have been displaced
many times before. It's going to mean no humanitarian aid
for people who stay in Gaza City, and it's probably
going to mean a lot more deaths as well. We've
seen tens of thousands of people killed so far. That's
likely to continue from an Israeli point of view, and
(04:52):
the vast majority of Israelis, remember, are totally against this plan.
They see this as a potentially death sentence for the
hostages that are still being held inside the Gaza strip.
There are twenty of them who are still believed to
be alive, fifty in total, but twenty still believe to
be alive. And of course, the country is utterly exhausted
(05:15):
after nearly two years of constant wars in Gaza, in Lebanon,
in Syria, or recently in Iran as well, and they
just want the country to return to some kind of normality.
There's only one real group in Israel that wants this,
and that's the hard line right wing coalition partners of
(05:36):
Benjamin Ettina, who Israeli Prime Minister. They've been pushing hard
for a full occupation of Gaza for a long time now.
They want to build Jewish settlements there. They're saying that publicly.
And you know, if they leave, if Netaniaou loses their support,
his government could fall. And so this is being seen
by many Israelis as a political move rather than a
(05:58):
necessary one.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Some swapping of territories to the betterment of both, referring
obviously to Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
What's going on here, where's this headhead?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
The President's now going to decide who gets what?
Speaker 9 (06:11):
Well, this is like, I mean, the idea that somehow
Donald Trump is at the center of geopolitical conflicts and
is the person that is now apparently, according to reporting,
that we have this evening, going to be sitting down
with Vladimir Putin to hash out an agreement over Ukraine
somewhere in Alaska. I mean, this is pretty much a
(06:34):
nightmare from any foreign policy vantage point. The fact that
the White House is even announcing that the President may
meet with Putin without any concessions that we've been told
of is like a huge legitimization of a dictator that,
for a long time, several decades, has been one of
our number one geopolitical adversaries. So, like just off the
(06:56):
bat staff, it's a disaster. And the idea that somehow
Donald Trump is going to be operating without Zelenski and
perhaps without Zelenski's buy in and the best interests of
the Ukrainian people is nightmaragh. Not just for the people
who have suffered for this hellish war, but it's also
a huge line in the sand for Europe. And it's
what it means to be a democracy in the West,
(07:19):
and the age of Trump, which is to say, you
can get sold up the river quite easily without any
guarantees of your survival if it serves the ego of
the president of the United States. I mean, I cannot
underscore enough how dangerous and treacherous all of this is,
and the idea that Trump, who has never really had
a plan for anything at see the first conversation this hour,
(07:40):
is going to approach this in the sort of slap dash,
shoot from the hit manner he approaches everything else. Is
you know, it's a desperate hour for not just Ukraine,
but like I said, I think the entire global community
that values liberal democracy.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
From the air, the skeletons of the Mitsubishi plants made
evident that Nagasaki's war making power or was totally destroyed
or the valley area of little more than three square
miles blast and fire reduced the industrial plants and surrounding
buildings to blackened rubble. The Mitsubishi steel and arms works
(08:19):
extended almost a mile in length before the blast. These
were modern buildings constructed like our own American factories. Closer
examination of the ruins shows the same complete destruction that
characterized the ruins of Hiroshima. Damage to equipment and machinery
used in the manufacture of naval rifles, AA guns and
heavy artillery was such that even if Japan had determined
(08:41):
to commit suicide by continuing resistance, she could not have
salvaged much from the ruins.
Speaker 10 (08:46):
Well, that is throwing down the Goldland yet again to
Europe and elsewhere, and you know that is creating another
nightmare quite frankly, But can I just go back and
quickly talk about Trump and Putin because I spent years
of my life in the formers of it Union and
I still watch a lot of Russian television, and someone
should tell President Putin, sorry, sorry, President Trump, a terrible
(09:08):
slip there, President Trump.
Speaker 11 (09:10):
That you know, on the Nike television shows in Moscow
in recent months, Virchia and things like that, they actually
discussed very openly the idea that actually Russia thinks it
should own Alaska. Russia has been incredibly expansionist in its
rhetoric in the last few months, and so the idea
of sitting down in Alaska, of all places, where people
(09:32):
have been saying on Russian TV shows like this, on
Russian television saying, you know, actually we think we should
take back Alaska. Shows just how either wilfully blind people
in the White House are to the mentality of the
Russian leadership right now, or they just don't care and
they're trying to strike a deal directly with Putin.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's Saturday, the ninth of August, and the year of
Lord twenty twenty five, with wars and the rumors of
war about this is the eightieth anniversary of the commemoration
of the dropping of the second nuclear weapon. It was
dropped on Nagasaki. The Japanese has still refused to surrender.
We've got a very packed show today, but we're going
(10:55):
to start there and also about Russia and Gaza and
all of it. Dave Brett joins me right now. Even
as we speak, Steve Whitkoff, the President's envoy for all
of these deals, is meeting and I think has been
reported Abitha, a resort island off of Spain, with the
(11:15):
heads of Cutter and they're coming up right now with
a comprehensive plan that would be an alternative to the
gods occupation, which has essentially been, as we said, greeted
by the world. The Chief of staff of the IDF,
the Israeli Army, and the rest of the world as
maybe not the best idea in the world. We keep saying,
(11:37):
as long as it's going to depend upon American involvement logistically,
which it will, it's a terrible idea. Also, the Russians
have put out their Titanic forces already trying to destroy
this historic meeting. Dare say I call it a summit.
The mainstream media won't call it that between Putin of
(11:59):
the KJU in Russia and President Donald Trump. A historic
meeting in a very historic place. Dave Brett joins his
co host Today. We've also got clear Pascal and doctor
Thay are going to be here to explain all of
it about the Pacific War and how the Americans tried
to bring that to an end, and also Tom Dance
(12:20):
is going to talk to us about Alaska. First. We
got a couple of minutes here, Dave Bratt, and by
the way, we give our young charges here in the
war room. Just another Bravo Zula for an amazing cold
open intercutting so many different parts of history and modern geopolitics.
Dave Brett, your thoughts are where we are on this
(12:41):
a commemoration of the bombing of Nagasaki.
Speaker 12 (12:47):
Yeah, well that kudos took for the cold open Cameron
again that not only just the content, but the cultural
situation we face our itself in with these elites commenting, right,
so Heroshima, Nagasaki War.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (13:07):
And then the elites there it was.
Speaker 12 (13:09):
It was I can't remember which of them, but she
says the I can't believe this. The president gets to
decide what we're going to do in Ukraine, President Donald
he gets to decide.
Speaker 13 (13:19):
What we're gonna do. Uh.
Speaker 12 (13:21):
There's been no commentary from the left on the establishment
going in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Right.
Speaker 12 (13:26):
This all started back we took out Mosa deck with
the CIA and MI six, back with Eisenhower who went
along reluctantly with a CIA who yanked him in right
with I six sound familiar, same same as today.
Speaker 13 (13:41):
So the president did all that.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
Then you've got the Bushes and their deal with Gorbachev
in ninety one, no comment on that. And then these
elite betters the Financial Times and she's you know there
act like they're the elitists, know it alls.
Speaker 13 (13:56):
They are, they are the bright ones, They're they're very smart.
Speaker 12 (13:59):
Right, they write the A plus US paper, but on
the wrong subject. If you'll notice, these elite betters don't
bring up the thesis statement of our current modern world,
which is China. All of these things we're talking about,
our takeaways, opportunity costs, wasted resources, away from our mission
statement and our strategic objectives. And so the cold open
(14:21):
was just great at showing the irony of our elite
betters trying to frame the issues and they missed the
thesis statement.
Speaker 13 (14:29):
I'm glad you got Fayre with and all that today.
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Hang on for a second, Dave, You're gonna be with
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Saturday in the war room. We're gonna take a short
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eighty years ago the Imperial Japanese High Command in the
bombing and Nagasaki.
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Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
There is a book of the many thousands or books
on World War Two, this one that's particularly good about
a history of World two, and I think Denver will
have the cover here in a moment called annihilation kind
of in a different framing and talking about how wars
and they use. World War two is an example. As
wars go on because of deaths and destruction and people's
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families being destroyed and friends being destroyed and home towns
being destroyed, that the natural human element of revenge and
vengeance takes over and that as particularly people and sides
dig in, these wars become wars of annihilation. This was
what World War II was and it reached a absolute
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peak in the bombing of Germany and the destruction of
the Red Army in Germany, and also in the Pacific theater,
where the Japanese who started the war would not surrender,
led to the fire bombing of Tokyo by Curtis L.
May and then eventually to the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
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This is the lesson for today, and this is the
big lesson in Ukraine. Remember, as we continue to say,
and the only people that really understand how to frame this,
this is much deadlier than the early years of the
Second World War, from nineteen thirty nine, the invasion of
Poland to all the way to the Rmark's Operation Barbarossa,
(17:13):
the invasion of Russian Actually I would go back and
even throw in the Asian part of the war Manchuria,
Nan King and all that, all the bloodshed there from
nineteen thirty five, I guests on you still wouldn't get
the bloodshed you've seen in the combination of Ukraine and
Gaza today. And this is why what President Trump is
trying to do is absolutely heroic. And you see right there,
(17:36):
particularly in that cold open Stephanie Rules showed last night
with Wagner and Jillian Tett absolutely losing it. How can Trump?
This is authoritarianism? How can you do this? He's trying
to bring these wars to a conclusion before they spend
even more out of control than they already are. And
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in both situations, they're absolutely totally out of control. And
what President Trump's trying to do is absolutely heroic, right
And there's going to be some speed bumps, obviously, but
the world right now is totally against The Europeans there meeting,
they're trying to come up. There's titanic forces to try
to stop this. Particularly they don't want putin. They don't
(18:17):
want the Russian people and the American people to kind
of come together and think this thing through, particularly about
the Chinese Commanist Party. So the infiltration of the West.
You're going to see it all in all of its
glory between now in the fifteenth of August, I want
to bring in a dog star with doctor Bradley Thayer,
so frame this for us. Nagasaki, the Japanese got hit
(18:41):
by a nuclear weapon in Hiroshima and still would not surrender.
We had to go and drop the second nuclear weapon
a couple of days later, and still they would not surrender.
It go back in time and tell us put the
framing around this, sir, Well.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Steve, as you said, it's very hard to end wars.
Speaker 14 (19:03):
It's very hard in particular to end great power wars
because of the sacrifices the blood price, as Cloudswitz put
it right, in a great power war, the blood price
is going to be very high, So it makes it
very difficult to end these conflicts once they've started. So
what Nagasaki did and why it's so significant, is after Hiroshima,
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the second atomic bombing demonstrated the US had this horrific weapon,
the nuclear strategist Bernard Brody would later call the absolute weapon,
and the Japanese didn't know how many we had, and
reality we had about one more that we could have
put together really by the end of the month. So
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the Japanese didn't know how long this was going to
go on, and that was critical for convincing the emperor
to intervene and break the deadlock. The Japanese cabinet was broken,
was divided between a pro war faction and a pro
peace faction, that is, those who wanted to end the war,
and the Emperor came down on the side of the
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pro peace faction, and that broke the deadlock once the
Emperor conveyed his as will. Very hard for the emperor
to do that, and even when the Emperor did come down,
there was an attempted coup by the Japanese Army, a
small faction within it which tried to seize the broadcast
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recording the night of August fourteenth and fifteenth, so that
the Emperor's peace message surrender message could not have been
broadcast on August fifteenth, as in fact it actually was.
So the Japanese, of course, were die hard and so
many of them did not want to end the conflict.
(20:55):
It took the Emperor's intervention, and as you know, Steve,
it's for the first time that you happen these people
heard the Emperor's voice.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Ever to actually end that conflict.
Speaker 14 (21:06):
And of course it was of course very important that
he did end it, because it had avoided the deaths
of so many Americans and the millions of Japanese who
would have died as a consequence of it, as well
as of course it kept the Soviets out of Japan
because the Soviets would have invaded northern Japan had the
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war gone on, and Japan would have ended up divided
into a communist north and a free democratic south, as
Germany was divided, of course, and then later his Korea
was divided between a Soviet faction, a Soviet a proxy,
and a pro Western government. So Nagasaki what we commemorate today,
(21:48):
the eightieth anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki was supremely
important because it ended a war that was devilishly hard.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
To end, and it in the door to the nuclear era.
Of course, the era, but the day.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, the reason I wanted to intercut it and my
team did a great The team did a great job
was that there were still the Bushido Samurai faction that
did not want to surrender. Remember we were fresh out
of nuclear weapons. I think we only had two that
were operational. Uh, and still they got hit. They also
(22:27):
there's also another big bombing to the place, but they
had been firebombed by Curtis la May brutally to try
to break their industrial capability. In the spring. I think March,
the middle of March is one of the worst fire
bombings of the world UH in the history of the war,
and still they would not surrender. They got hit with
two nuclear weapons, and yet there was still a significant
(22:49):
faction of the High command and the Japanese Army that
just wouldn't put it down. My point is, these are
these wars are so hard to stop. This is about
the heroic effort of President Trump. Remember in Ukraine right now,
there's been two million casualties that never really gets brought
up that much. President Trump says all the time. The
(23:10):
Ukrainian actually Zelenski's people play down the number of deaths
of civilians and Putin and the KGB never want to
let the real facts out of how the Red Army
or how the Russian Army has been. So I don't
say a nap because they're kind of finding the way
the Russians do. But the casualty rates of the Russians
(23:31):
a huge. President Trump, I think said last week or
two weeks, so it was like twenty thousand over the
last couple of weeks. This war in Ukraine is as
brutal as anything that was fought in the twentieth century.
And what's happening at Gaza is as brutal as anything
happened in the twentieth century. Look at the Earl. I
put up some drone footage the other day from I
think it had up on the Guardian a drone footage
(23:53):
and it looks like Dresden in nineteen forty five and
Hamas in the Muslim Brotherhood. Look that military capability. He's
got to be taken out. But it's going to be very,
very difficult, particularly as you've kind of waited this long
to do it, and they had kind of fits and starts,
et cetera. So his efforts here in peace are a
long way from getting done right. And the key is
(24:15):
for America first is to make sure that we don't
get drawn exorably into these wars. Cleo Pascal, once again,
the part of the world that you're an expert in
is front and center on the eightieth commemoration because it
once again reinforces the importance of the Western Pacific to
the strategic interest of the United States of America. One
(24:36):
of the reasons, principally because it's United States territory, right,
people have to understand we're not going overseas to do this.
This is part of the United States of America, ma'am, yes.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Well, box car which took off to bomb Nagasaki. In fact,
I think it was a secondary target because the first
one was covered by clouds. Took off from Tinian, which
is in the comwealth of Northern Marianas, which is now
in the United States. And it was really very much
this geography that allowed the US to be in a
position to.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
End the war.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
And Alaska is a part of that. Billy Mitchell was
talking about this well before the war in the thirties
about how Alaska was pivotal to what we would now
call hemispheric defense. It is part of the Pacific, so
that whole hemispheric defense concept is very much embedded in
a strategic understanding for over one hundred years of how
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the US can be safe. And an interesting thing to
me is what happens next about the American way of winning?
What happens when you win? And this was something that
was put in place with the Atlantic Charter before the
US even entered the war, because the question is what
are you fighting for? All these people are going to die,
the families are going to be destroyed, economies are going
(25:55):
to be ravage. What for? And the U, US and
and and the British put together this Atlantic Charter to
say what they were going to fight for, and fundamentally,
at least in the Pacific, it is this free and
indo Pacific concept that we're now trying to maintain again.
(26:16):
So how do we how do we prioritize what to
fight for?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
How do we make it explicit?
Speaker 7 (26:23):
I think we need to do it again so we
know where we're trying to head. So if we do
have to fight, we know where the limits are and
what the goals are, and you don't end up in
this sort of endless war that we're seeing again.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Cleo, can you hang on? Doctor Thayer? Tom Dance is
going to join us. We've got Dave Bratt on a
Saturday Morning Wars and the Rumors War in the eightieth
commemoration with the bombing and Nagasaki back in a moment confuse,
host Stephen k Bat, Dave Brat, can you pick up
(27:07):
on clear Pascal's a brilliance right there about the American
way went about ending wars. Because this is what we're
talking about here, folks. Let me be blunt. America first
is about taking care of business here. But we're not isolationists.
The first thing we have to do is extract ourselves
from these bloody conflicts in the Middle East and in
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Eastern Europe that are not in the vital national security
interests in the United States. I'm just sorry they're not.
So we have to do that, and we have to
focus on hemispheric defense, and we have to prioritize as adults,
particularly against the existential threat we have, which is the
Chinese Communist Party. Dave Brat your thoughts.
Speaker 13 (27:49):
Yeah, well, thank god for experts like Bradley and Cleo.
They're right on the money.
Speaker 12 (27:54):
I'll just connect a couple dots starting up Bradley at
the japan established. Beware of the establishment versus the wisdom
of the emperor. Right, who's chosen probably has more historical awareness,
and the establishment always wants war.
Speaker 13 (28:11):
That brings us to Zelensky and that.
Speaker 12 (28:14):
Choice, the choice, there's no choice for peace anymore, right,
the establishment news media in this country never shows you
the exact choice. He had a choice, you know, a
year or two back, maybe for giving up you know,
a bit of the South and maybe a couple of
the Bletsks regions.
Speaker 13 (28:32):
Small territories.
Speaker 12 (28:33):
Now, the deal for Zelenski is Kiev or no Kiev. Right,
it's not a peace deal, it's the survival of Ukraine.
And the idea that this you know, unelected person gets
to choose is way off base. And then finally our
US establishment to bring us up to the modern day,
what happens when the dog catches the car? Okay, so
(28:55):
our establishment actually wants to go to war against Russia.
We're shooting missiles five hundred miles in. What's the plan?
Our establishment? It lead us in the news, don't tell
us that. What's the choice there?
Speaker 13 (29:05):
What are we going to do?
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Take Russia and break it up into five pieces? And
then what how's that go? Talk about the war of obliteration?
And so that ties into Alaska. If we do a
reprochma with Russia, which would be a very intelligent thing
to do, then the Alaska piece probably fades off into
some deal. You know, that's their key interest if they
want to go ahead to head with us, and we're
(29:28):
still abstracting from China. But yes, President Trump should not
be led by the CIA and the establishment who were
out to get him, who are out to get you.
Speaker 13 (29:37):
He knows all this now, but he's got a.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Ton of powerful people pushing him, and everybody pushed right,
They pushed us to lie on the NATO expansion back
in ninety one. Seventeen countries later, we're at the end
of the line with Ukraine and Trump does not want
to go there. So expert commentary from the experts.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Let's bring in Tom Dan's I want to talk about Alaska.
In fact, you mentioned with clear is this set a
moment ago about the Billy Mitchell comment strategic I think
the governor Alaska picked up your comment and put it
up on Twitter today. Alaska is central to Hemisphere defense
and folks, you know, and you had John Bolton on
last night, you had you had excuse me, Biden's former
(30:24):
national security advisors on TV NonStop saying, oh, this is
a huge defeat for Trump to have putin come to Alaska.
What are you talking about? It's absolutely brilliant. People should
understand two things that Trump has done that is absolutely brilliant.
Number One, he has chosen Alaska right as the place
that they will sit down. Number Two, it's on the
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fifteenth of August. Now what is that. Oh, yeah, that's
the eightieth anniversary commemoration of japan surrendering, not the formal
document that didn't take place until early September. Paying the
Emperor addressing his nation and saying it's over was on
the fifteenth of September. Fifteenth of August. And that's why
(31:06):
it's very symbolic what President Trump's doing. Tom Dan's Alaska,
You've been central to get the American public through the
war room up to speed on this. Why is it
so brilliant to actually have this meeting between Putin In
President Trump in Alaska?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Well see the thanks, and it's brilliant.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
And as you're cold open well showed, it's terrifying to
a lot of people who are highly invested in Russia
and America being foes and adversaries.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It's because really.
Speaker 15 (31:38):
This is where the US and Russia come together and
our history, and both President Trump and President Putin are
keen students of history and they get the significance of it.
And both countries have a lot in common. And we're
not ever allowed to say this. We can't, says Russia
and the US. In a sense, we are both pioneer countries.
(31:59):
Russia moved eastward, the US moved westward. Alaska is where
they met. And remember the context. People have all heard
about Sewart's folwges. Let's go back in the history here.
We're talking about the purchase of Alaska in eighteen sixty seven. Right,
this was started that grew out of Russia's problems coming
out of losing the Crimean War. So they were they
(32:21):
had some financial difficulties after losing the war against England. Right,
So all these things kind of go back in time.
At that point in time, they had Alexander the Second
the war room. Posse's well, familiar with your admonitions about
becoming Russian serfs. Well, guess what happened. Americans all know
(32:42):
about the Emancipation Proclamation.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Of eighteen sixty two.
Speaker 15 (32:46):
What they don't know is the emancipation Law of eighteen
sixty one was in Russia when they freed the serfs.
Alexander the Second, Guess what happened to Lincoln?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You got killed.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Guess what happened to Alexander the Second, he got killed.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Right, So this is.
Speaker 15 (33:03):
The same kind of dialectic that you've seen throughout history.
And our nations came together and made a trade there
and it worked for both sides. And you know, it's
there's some history there that continued in terms of like
where we meet today as we're competing, but we're at
our best point when we are competing and cooperating.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Dare I say it two Christian nations that would come together.
They absolutely hated the elites in this country, hated the
elites in Europe hate it, absolutely hated, despise it. They
want us at war with each other and not focused
on our common enemy, the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing,
in the strategic centrality of Alaska and hemispheric defense. It's
(33:49):
quite breath takingly brilliant of President Trumpet, and also to
put it on fifteen August, on the eightieh commemoration of
the Emperor, saying it was over in the Pacific War,
Doctor Thayer, any closing thoughts on this, You've done such
a great job of putting this together for us and
reminding the supportant. We're going to have you on as
(34:11):
we do the run up to the fifteenth August summit
with Putin, because we're going to remind people of how
this is all inrestricably linked because the two great allies
of World War Two. Yes, Britain was our allies, absolutely
no doubt about that. But the blood that the Russian Army,
the Red Army shed is what drained the Wehrmach of
their power to really defend the West and allowed us
(34:34):
to get to unfortunately not take Berlin for all kinds
of political reasons, but to drive across Western Europe and
actually be part of the taking down of the Nazis
and Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 14 (34:47):
Sir, well, Steve Alaska's genius from the standpoint of political
warfare targeted against the Chinese Communist Party for the reasons
that you mentioned, of course, but it also is in
August fifteenth as well, the end of the Japanese announcement,
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announcement that they'd accept the Potsdam Declaration and surrender. But
it shows that the door is now opened to a
great improvement in the relationship between Russia and the United
States against the CCP. So we're going to end one war,
a war that really never should have started, the war
between Russia and Ukraine, and wouldn't if Trump had been
(35:32):
in office.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
And what we're going to be doing now was moving
forward to a great improvement and on taunt in the
relationship between Russia and the United States directed against the CCP.
So very important, it's just genius from the standpoint of
political warfare in terms of the location and in terms
(35:53):
of the illumination of the next steps to be taken
in the fight against the CCP. So absolute genius.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Cleo Pascal. You've done such a great job being out
there in that part of the Western Pacific. Now something
so monumental is going to happen on the Pacific rim
and really reinforce the fact that hemispheric defense is centered
on the Pacific. Your closing thoughts, Man.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
As with the Atlantic Charter at the beginning of the
last war, it might be beneficial to start thinking about
an Indo Pacific Charter based on what we actually want
to see in the Pacific, in which allies are ready
to sign on to it. This is something that Congress
has been looking at actually for decades. Ben Gilman was
appropriated money for it, Congress won to radwag and for
(36:47):
American Samoa has been talking about it recently. This has
been bubbling around, but basically to say, what is it
we would be willing to fight for this time In
terms of this, hemispheric defense means to us what allies
are on side, how can we help them to fight
to defend themselves and ultimately to defend the things that
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we believe in and we're willing to die for and
are willing to die for again. That has to be
very clear, not some fuzzy concept or insecurities or on
cascade that's out of control. Let's try to make it explicit.
Let's talk about it and figure out what it is
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that is framing the hemispheric defense, to make it so
important that we're willing once again to go right up
to that line in order to be able to defend it.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Cleopascal, what is your social media? People want to follow you?
So where they go? Man for your writing, commentary, observations,
all of it.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I'm on ex just my name Cleopascal, CLO PSKL and
again because somebody took my name, I'm Getter. I'm just
real Cleo and you can find me in both places.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Thank you, ma'am. Your travels. You want to follow Cleo's travels,
go to go to UH, go to Getter and go
to UH and go to uh Twitter uh. Doctor Bradley Thayer,
where do people get you? You're putting up great stuff
every day, including notes of h of the Third World War.
Because we are in the kinetic part of the Third
World war which President Trump is trying to end. MS.
(38:30):
Wagner and miss tet over the Financial Times at MSNBC.
Where do they go, Sir.
Speaker 14 (38:37):
Steve brad Thare and X and Bradley theer at Truth
and on Getter. Thanks very much Steve for calling attention
to this. It's Nagasaki is so important and it reverberates,
of course with the strategic problems and concerns and issues
that we have today.
Speaker 13 (38:54):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It's it's important, folkss understand you can get fine bombed
and then hit with two tactical nuclear weapons and still
not be ready to surrender. This is a lesson for
the modern world, particularly what's happening in these two in
the Gaza and what's happening in the in Ukraine. And
President Trump gets that. So thank you so much. Doctor.
(39:18):
They look forward to seeing both of you guys next
week as we do the run up. Cleo and doctor
Therapy with us we do the run up to the
summit on the fifteenth. I want to thank you guys.
Tom Dan's you just got back from Alaska. You'll be
part of this coverage too, because you understand the importance
of it, the importance of the Arctic the importance the
centrality of Alaska in the strategic design of peace for
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the United States of America for a homoseric defense. Where
do people go Tom to get all your writings and observations?
Speaker 15 (39:48):
Sure, thanks, Steve, I'm at on x at Tom Dan's CFA.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Thank you brother, look forward to seeing you next week.
This caught people like a thunderclap on a clear summer day.
The establishment the hatred last night coming at President Trump,
a peacemaker. Think about it for a second. He's trying
to bring peace to two areas of the world, and
(40:17):
I understand. Look, cutter, are I think some of the
worst bad ombreries on earth. But to understand that you're
sitting down them because they are part of the equation.
You just have to embrace that reality, as unfortunate as
it is. But to try to do this in the
Ukraine War and in the Gods of War, after doing
this amazing transaction with Azure Beijan in Armenia, it is
(40:42):
America first, because to get our sorted here, we've got
to make sure we're not drawn into these wars on
foreign battlefields. Short commercial break, you'll see some madness as
we come back in a New Cold Open next in
the world strategies.
Speaker 16 (40:59):
For example, this is not so much about democracy, but
you're seeing just today there was protests and arrests outside
immigration courts here in New York City because people are
outraged about the abuse of the way that ICE is
abusing the court system to trap people. And so again,
(41:20):
I mean, I think that there is no need. You know,
we've talked in the show I've been you know, I've
been on MSNBC for years and for a long time,
we talked about we could be falling into authoritarianism, we
could be moving, we could be losing our democracy. I mean,
now we're in the authoritarian slide, and the models for
reversing that are not simple. People have tried to prosecute
(41:44):
Trump for crimes and other sorts of misdeeds, and so
there's not an equivalent in him them trying to prosecute
the prosecutors for prosecuting him. And so again I don't
say I think that trying to be decorous and uphold
the norms while this administration goes after them with us.
Speaker 17 (42:05):
I mean, how it works that case got him elected,
I don't know that went that gave him his redemption narrative.
You could argue that that case, I think it helped.
I think it brought him back from the political dead,
and it gave him a comeback narrative that his people
needed to see after January sixth. So I think that
case did a lot for him in the judicial system,
(42:28):
for him going and going through it and then being
seen as this resurrection figure. So I think that the
potency of what happens in the judicial system, I do
think it matters when it comes down to the politics
of it too, and how the electorate is going to
respond at the end of the day.
Speaker 18 (42:45):
From New York, I'm Maley Belshian for Chris Hayes. Donald
Trump campaigned explicitly on a platform of revenge against his enemies,
and now he is fulfilling that promise.
Speaker 11 (42:54):
My pick is another person who's thought about this week,
which is the president of Brazil, who said he was
not going to humiliate himself by just rolling over in
the face of Trump's taris. Instead, he basically is holding firm.
And what's particularly significant is Trump is imposing these tariffs
not for economic reasons, but because he doesn't like the
(43:16):
way that the judicial system in Brazil is going After
the former president President Bolcenara. So my pick is Lula
from Brazil, who's had the courage to stand up, and
let's hope that encourages others.
Speaker 18 (43:28):
It's kind of rhetoric is nothing new for authoritarians. Benito Mussolini,
Italy's fascist dictator for two decades, spoke of Italy's need
for an avenger. But the point is the same. I'm
going to reward my friends, but more importantly, I am
going to punish my enemies. The revenge presidency is here.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
In some respects. It makes the Lease's point on.
Speaker 19 (43:52):
Push that these cases, I mean, just start with the
first impeachment. The man has weathered all of this stuff
and you know he wasn't convicted twice in the Senate
on two impeachments. He comes back and he starts says,
I started this conversation with I'm your retribution, and to
(44:13):
Elisa's both Alisa and Elisa's point, he you know, his
followers filled in whatever they wanted on that, and so yes,
the retribution, some may think is he's out there fighting
for them against this big, bad government. But Donald Trump
is fighting for himself and he's winning.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
So that court narrative.
Speaker 19 (44:34):
Has played out in sort of a backhanded way to
seemingly help him because he's beat the system at every turn.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
The other meltdown. Last night, I was bet Letitia James
and Shifty Shift and these investigations now Grand Juri's criminal
Grand Juries have been impaneled. They've given the great Ed
Martin is now the prosecutor. He's over the in main
Justice as the weaponization czar. He's now after both of
these for I think for loan fraud, right, for taking
(45:06):
houses that were not their primary residence and getting loans
seeing their primary residence. There's much more that's gonna come there.
Also what President Trump's doing across the board as he's
now winning and going on offense against seditious conspiracy, which
they're in total meltdown. This is where we have momentum.
We have momentum on redistrictating, we have momentum in the courts.
(45:27):
And as anybody will tell you in warfare, you press
your bet, you drive it, you drive it, you drive it,
Dave Bratt, we're not just winning, we're picking up momentum.
We're accelerating at an accelerating rate.
Speaker 13 (45:39):
Baby, you took my buried lead.
Speaker 12 (45:42):
I was gonna start with the conclusion first Trump winning
coming from MSNBC.
Speaker 13 (45:46):
I mean, man, it's so good.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
First all, man, no, I can watch that, We could
watch those, We can watch that all day, all day.
Speaker 13 (45:57):
It's yeah.
Speaker 12 (45:58):
First off, I want to give a shout out to
the Dan's brothers, Paul and Dan. Those guys they got
Mit brains, their intellects. They know what freedom and liberty
and the USA is all about. So huge shut out
to both of the Dan's brothers. Then I'll just start
with these clips. I mean they're just so good. I mean,
so we First of all, democracy is in jeopardy. We've
(46:22):
got a totalitarian dictator. And then she goes on to
prover point this is in the context of illegal immigration. Yeah,
illegal immigration, and her subtext is all people matter.
Speaker 13 (46:37):
This census issue is huge. We've got to fix this.
Speaker 12 (46:40):
Democracy does kind of imply everybody matters. That's why the
other day on the show, I brought up we got
to switch the language big time and drill down into
this constitutional republic where your representatives represent these things called citizens.
That's what we got to get back to. Mike Ben's
did a deep dive on this a couple of years ago. Right,
the US State Department usaid the logic was, and they
(47:03):
changed in law or at least through executive order under Biden,
the democracy language such that democracy would be defined not
by the people but by the institutions set up that
protect democracy, including the mainstream media, so that if you
went after the mainstream media, you were violating and challenging
democracy itself and you could get put behind bars, which
(47:26):
you did.
Speaker 13 (47:27):
So this is just stunning. And then you know Financial
Times are intellectual betters. You know Oxford Cambridge just reeks
of elitism, which I used to like.
Speaker 12 (47:36):
But she says, what my pick, Lula, right, I don't
like Trump, so my pick. So it boils down to this.
They're finally letting the buried lead out right. The mainstream
media don't like Trump. My pick doesn't have anything to do
with the American people are leaders nothing.
Speaker 13 (47:51):
So Trump's winning. That's the great news. We're winning.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Dave or around. We've got some special guests in the
next hour. We're gonna pivot talking about m r NA
vaccines is amazing. A huge, massive announcement has made this
past week by Bobby Kennedy and the team over at
HHS Birch Gold thinks times are turbulence. I think it
may be a little turbulence ahead of us. As President
Trump tries to bring peace to the world. Blessed are
(48:22):
the peacemakers. But you know what, the odds are always against,
some long odds as President Trump tries to do it.
Birch Gold dot Com slash Bannon, End of the Dollar Empire.
Julia Tett the enditor of the Financial Time. You just
saw the clips she gave the MVP of the Week,
Ta Lula. Why Lula stepping up and trying to destroy
the US dollar? How's that set for you? Sound right?
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