May 20, 2025 • 48 mins
Segment 1: The left is fundraising for an initiative to create an online empire to match that of the right. Can they do it?
Segment 2: As the news of Biden’s cancer announcement sets in, people are starting to question the timeline.
Segment 3: Alex Clark continues her conversation with Kibbi Linga.
Segment 4: Jobob reacts to a hilarious video: “Can’t something just be what it is?”
Segment 5: Charlie Kirk chats with the founders of Good Ranchers.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
NBC had a bananas headline about the Biden diagnosis, which
I thought was hilarious. Also, the collapse of education as
intertwined with AI might not actually be the AI that's
the problem. And also Jake Tapper's book is finally out.
Is it running cover for the people who were running
cover for President Biden's mental decline? All that more coming
(00:29):
up on this episode of Turning Point Tonight. My name
is Joe Bob. Thanks so much for tuning in. Together,
we are charting the course of America's cultural will comeback.
This is Turning Point Tonight. Now, before we get to
those stories and our fantastic panel, we have to talk
about this. There is an article in the New York
Times talking about the Libs diagnosing the problem that they
have correctly. Now there's good news and bad news. The
(00:50):
bad news is they've might have figured out why it
is that they've lost, or at least a part of
the reason why they lost. The good news is I
don't think they understand it exactly. And that's what it
comes to podcasting. Now, you've heard so many times from
the lefty media. We need to find the liberal, Joe Rogan,
we need to find the liberal, theovonn or the liberal
(01:11):
Charlie Kirk. And that actually is a big thing that
they need to figure out over the weekend or I
guess over the last couple months private gatherings. This is
from The New York Times of strategists and donors are
swapping ideas to help the party capitalize the digital mojo
that helped President Trump win. And yes there is a
(01:32):
price tag, says The New York Times. Now they are
diagnosing the problem correctly. The good news is, I think
they misunderstand it. The article goes on to talk about
the various people involved, the various political packs that are
going to try and raise money and effectively buy their
way into the podcasting space. Unfortunately for them, that's not
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how it works. Joe Rogan didn't pop out of nowhere.
Charlie Kirk didn't pop out of nowhere. It may seem
like that to some libs. If you're looking through TikTok
and you see Charlie Kirk reels going constantly, Yeah, that
may be a new thing, but the guy's been at
it for geez, almost fifteen years. Joe Rogan the same way.
He's been at it for almost twenty years. In the
podcast game. Just because libs have money doesn't mean they
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can effectively buy the influence that they think they can
get in the podcasting world. And even on top of that,
here's the big problem that they have. The reason Charlie
Kirk is popular, the reason Joe Rogan is popular, theovonn
is popular, it's because they aren't lying to people. Now,
you may disagree with some things that Joe Rogan says,
some things that Theovonne says. Some people some things that
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Andrew Sholz or any other big postcasters say, but at
the very least, they're not lying to you. And unfortunately
for libs, unfortunately for us, the misdiagnosis of the podcast
world includes the fact that, well, they have to lie
in order to get their policies through because their policies
aren't effective and they don't work. So the bad news is, yes,
they have figured out out that is a weak point
(03:01):
in their strategy as Libs trying to move forward and
win elections. The good news is they don't think they
understand how difficult it is building something from the ground
up that is authentic and true and genuine. Like so
many people in the conservative to the Aisle have done
and hopefully will just crash and burn in flames and
also waste a.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Lot of lib money.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Here to comments on that and so much more, as
Turning Point contributor Anthony Watson, And we're putting a name
to the face Glenn Hendrickson producer, Glenn who you've probably
heard us talk about. He reads every single one of
your emails, every single line, every single word TBT ATPUSA
dot com. Here he is, Glenn. Put a name to
a face. Guys, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Great to be here. Uh, Anthony, I want to start
with you here.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
This is again something that people have been pointing out
on both sides of the aisles. These liberals just don't
have the long form podcasting world. Gavin Newsom has ventured
into it, among several other people that are trying to
take its stab again becoming the next conservative Joe Rogan
or sorry, liberal Joe Rogan. Do you think they're gonna
make any headway here, especially the way they're going about it,
(04:07):
which is effectively throwing money at the problem and saying, well, yeah,
we can buy influence.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's how it works.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, it's a short, it's a short term goal for
something that literally never works out for anybody in the
end who tries to do it that way. You can
only throw money at something for so long because the
people who have done that always find it running out,
which is then when they go on their victimization campaigns
to now try to guilt trip other people to supporting
something that inevitably was started to fail in the first place.
(04:33):
Now you look at something as equal as podcasting, There
are podcasts galore these days. So many people have them
on YouTube, so many people have them on Spotify, Apple Music,
all of these other streaming platforms that a lot of
us don't even know of, Twitch, all of these places
where everyone is speaking for an opinion. What actually makes
people actually have a successful podcast is the work that
they put in on themselves and the work that they've
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done in it to actually have something to talk about.
But everyone that you're starting to see now trying to
get influence in this space is doing it for every
reason that the mainstream media is doing it. And with
the mainstream media numbers tanking, it's no wonder that liberal
podcasts now are not really in the same airwave anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, it's also fascinating too.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
How again, they think that we just throw money this
What I think they're going to do is probably overpay
a bunch of people who aren't going to make really
much of a dent, because in fact, they have to
lie to people in order to get their policies and
stuff through. Glenn, do you see this catching on? Do
you think that this is going to be We're trying
to build an audience? Here is how difficult is it actually?
(05:33):
And do you think that Libs can just throw money
at it and hope it works?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I wish them the best of luck, Joe Bob. They
should absolutely try this. They should articulate, They should be
forced to articulate their ideas about the way the world
should be. And I think that would only play better
for us the more that we can get them onto
neutral ground and have genuine dialogue with them about the ideas,
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their economic policy, they're foreign policy, whether boys or boys
and girls are girls, you name it, and there's going
to be ten conservatives ready to line up and be
a guest on that podcast and throwing money at it.
I mean, yeah, this is what they chronically do. They
see a problem, or they'll invent a problem, and then
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the first solution is always throw money at it. And
I mean, if that worked, snow White would be the
biggest movie of the year, Am I right? That's that's
definitely not the case. Conservatives were kicked out effectively of
mainstream media over the last few decades and we were
forced to find alternative ways to get out there. And
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that was right around the time podcasts were coming out.
The Internet was getting bigger and bigger, and platforms like
this really have been built over years. You can't cook
it over now. You can't microwave what we have going here.
I wish them the best, but it'll take a long
time to get there.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think, if I can careacterize, what you're saying is, yeah,
you can't buy trust, you can't buy genuineness, you can't
buy authenticity. And that's what I think they're going to do.
And so, yeah, they did diagnose the problem, it seems correctly,
but their solution to that problems probably won't work. At
least I hope it doesn't work, you know, because well
it's it's been a pretty nice advantage to have. Moving
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on to the libs doing lib things, Anthony Jake Tapper's
book is now out. Now we've been talking about this
for a while now, and one of the nuggets that
have come out of this is Tapper is now saying
in his book Original Sin, chronicling the whole Joe Biden
mental disability thing, is saying, well, even people that were
super close didn't have access. It was very, very small
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the inner circle, and even Democrat senators that had known
Joe Biden for decades were being lied to. Now to me,
I don't know if I can trust Jake Tapper, and
so it seems like that book might be running cover
for the people who were running cover. We saw Elizabeth
Warren say, I didn't know. Do you think that that's
what the goal of the book is? You think they're
(08:02):
intentionally doing that? Or is this I don't know me
or conservatives extrapolating too much out of that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, I don't really know what the book entails until
people actually sit down to read it. But as far
as I'm concerned, when Jake Tapper mentioned that he was
coming out with the book, it really wasn't something that
I was interested in because what information is he going
to give that now is only going to help him
in the long run become a best seller just because
he wants to give you breadcrumbs inevitably, and what people
want is the real story behind what actually happened. And
(08:30):
so we knew from the get go that there was
no unity between Kamala Harris and former President Biden from
the debate stage when she was accusing him of racism.
Then she joins the man with no questions or a
fans or butts, and then they both get absolutely nothing
accomplished in the White House. Everybody from the outside saw
that the decline was there. Everybody from the outside saw
the disconnect. Everybody from the outside saw all of the
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interviews that were missed, all of the questions that were dodged,
all of the mishaps with the teleprompters and everything else.
We knew from the outside that this man wasn't fit.
So what in all honesty is somebody now writing a
book gonna be like, what's it gonna say?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, the guy was unfit.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
We're just like, yeah, no, dip sherlock. We saw that
from the people watching on the outside. So when it
comes to all of these other things, the only thing
that would honestly make me pay attention to it in
the slightest is if it were to say like, hey,
this was the inner workings, and this is why they
decided to do it, because they were initially trying to
get this done. But like you said, Joe Bob, perfectly,
it's a cover for a cover. It's distracting people over
(09:27):
here so that this will slowly start becoming something that
nobody pays attention to anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, seriously, it's honestly astonishing why they think they could
get with. I hope Jake t ever doesn't actually make
any money off of this. Unfortunately, he probably will. Glenn
John Stewart made a joke yesterday on the Daily Show
and basically said the problem with this cover up is
they didn't actually cover anything up. Everybody knew, which is
(09:52):
the antithesis of a cover up. Also, the book says
that Kamala Harris the actual moment where she cut ties
with Joe Biden's when you randomly put on a Maga hat.
You saw that in the b roll kind of I
guess your thoughts here, like if she would have maybe
come forward about this and been out front rather than
continuing to try how it would that have helped her numbers?
(10:15):
And or is I don't know, is it the fact
that this everybody knew the you know, there was no
help in it to begin with.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, this book is probably not one on my summer
reading list. If I'm completely honest, I might ask chat
GPT for a summary at some point. But I'm quite
honestly shocked.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
We know.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I mean, if you've been paying attention to the media
and the slide of hand that the Democrats or those
on the left do, they often try to cover things
up or spin them in a favorable light, and I
guess we all do that to some extent. But the
most ridiculous thing about this is that we could all
see Biden slowing down. And it was hard because we
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all know people in our lives who have gone through
mental decline, had some form of dementia like that touches everyone.
It doesn't respect politics. But we all saw it happening,
and they could have built credibility by honestly addressing it
and hitting it as an issue that would have bought
a lot of sympathy and probably won a lot of hearts.
(11:21):
But they just denied it and hit it like it
was something shameful. And now this whole thing with his
cancer revelation is just another layer to the cake, and
it's sad on one front. It is it's embarrassing on
the political front because instead of being honest about things,
they just hid behind it. I'm not surprised Kamla felt
the way she felt. I quite honestly think there's a
(11:45):
lot more going on with her than just that.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Though.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, I would venture to guess a similar thing. Guys, Hey,
thanks for me here. We'll be right back after the break.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
When Glenn and Anthony break down NBC's Banana's headline speaking
of the Joe Biden cancer issue that's unfortunately plaguing the
former president and also the collapse of the education system,
people are kept pointing AI, Hey, this is AI, but
there's actually a really interesting that I think the interesting
part of a New York Times article where they accidentally
told the truth without even knowing it. All that more
(12:17):
coming up on this episode of Turning Point Tonight. Don't
go away.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We'll be right back after the break.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Welcome back to Turning Point Tonight. We're together. We are
charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Thanks so much
for sticking with us through the break. It's time to
check in with White House correspondent for turning point, Monica
Page Monica. Lots of stuff going on at the White House.
But again that's I repeat myself, it's a Trump white House.
There's stuff going on all the time. Trump visited the
Hill this morning to discuss some things, and as a
(12:48):
part of that, I hear we got some exclusive verbiage
wording I think pigger wars better job up.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We got some exclusive intakes from Tom Homan.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Can you tell us about Trump's kind of trip to
the Hill and also what you discussed with the borders are.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Yeah, Joe, Bob, great to be with you. Yeah, President
Trump took a very rare trip to Capitol Hill to
talk to the GOP and Republicans that really need to
get in line with the passage of this one big,
beautiful bill that has a lot of stuff in it
when it comes to taxes, economy, trade, when it comes
to even our own border security. And that's exactly what
you just mentioned, Joe, Bob, ice got to speak exclusively
(13:26):
to our borders. Our Tom Holman who gaggled right here
on the West Wing out outside of the Oval Office,
and I asked him specifically, how will the passage of
this bill bolster on our national security, really boost these
mass deportations and our border wall in general. And he
really listed off all the things that this border bill
or this reconciliation bill will include as it pertains to
(13:49):
our southern border, better technology, more ice agents, more beds,
listing off a bunch of different things, especially especially when
it comes to our border wall, especially the construction of it.
We know that under Joe Biden it came to a halt.
It was actually parts of it were being sold under
the Biden administration, and we're being sold for pennies on
the dollar at that. So to hear from Tom Home
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and exclusively one on one and really understand how much
is going to go towards the border and help us
nationally for our security was really it was a really
reassuring feeling, and we can really hope that this will
get passed. We'll find out more as the week goes on,
but there's a deadline for Memorial Day, so we'll see
if that gets passed.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, it'll be really interesting to follow that story. Shifting
gears entirely. You know, part of politicians, but I think
that I hate most about politicians is there always Well,
we just need to move forward and we need to
move forward, and that's fine. I'm all about moving forward,
but also you have to look back in the past
and figure out what went wrong in some of the
bigger instances. Obviously COVID comes to mind, and more specifically
(14:50):
during the Biden administration, the Afghanistan withdraw the backle.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
What's going on there? Coming out of the White House today,
big news, Yeah, peege.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Head accept our security or Defense Security said basically, you're
going to investigate what happened on back in twenty twenty
one in August where thirteen of our service members were
killed in one hundred and seventy civilians were killed in
the suicide bombing at Abbey Gate and Kabble. So there's
going to be a huge investigation and there's also going
to be a specific announcement as it pertains to the
(15:20):
Golden Dome project, which President Trump will be also announcing
with Pete Hegseth and its implementation, its construction, and how
much money it's going to take to construct this Golden Dome,
which will essentially protect Americans and protect the United States
from any sort of aerial attacks. President Trump really blames
this Bosch Afghanistan withdrawal under Joe Biden as to the
(15:44):
reason why Russia invade Ukraine, why there's been chaos in
the Middle East ever since, how we got here, Hamas
and Israel as well. You know, there are many different
issues globally that President Trump credits, the Kabble disaster and
the Bosch Afghanistan withdrawal two specific that so all the
things we've been seeing. So this is going to be
a huge announcement. And of course SpaceX is also teaming
(16:06):
up with President Trump as well to kind of provide
the technology behind the Golden Dome, which is very interesting,
and working with different kinds of security agencies to make
this a big, beautiful dome as well. So it'll be
a great announcement and a beautiful project over the next
twenty years or so.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Unfortunately, considering how much I've seen from the government, I'm
skeptical that anybody's going to pay a huge price for
the Afghanistan withdrawal. But this is at least a step
in the right direction. Monica Page turning points, White House Correspondent,
thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
For joining us.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Thanks Jo Bob.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I love having Monica back. You know, we missed her
and we congratulated on our wedding. But the fact that
she's back it makes me feel good. Now, I hope
it makes you feel good too. Speaking of things that
don't make me feel good. Let let's bring our panel
back in here. Glenn Hendrickson and Anthony Watson turning point,
contributor and producer of the show. Sorry, flip those so
Glenn Hendrickson's the producer. Anthony Wattson is the contributor. I
think you can tell just by looking at the camera
(16:58):
who's who. But I bet joins us again because I
want to talk about this NBC headline, which I thought
was freaking fascinating, especially considering who was covering the Joe
Biden cancer diagnosis yesterday. Now again, none of this again,
cancer sad, Cancer is bad. We don't want to see anybody,
even our political ideological enemies, deal with this sort of thing.
(17:21):
Everybody agrees with that, but the whole cover up is fascinating.
I'm gonna read this headline from NBC. Trump allies shift
from shift from well wishes to suggesting Biden hid his
cancer diagnosis. Initial sympathy for Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis has
starting to ebb and suggestion suggesting the Donald Trump's allies
masked his condition. Basically, they're saying Trump allies are now
(17:44):
accusing Joe Biden of hiding this anthony. You know, I
didn't know this, but apparently Joe Scarborough of MSNBC and
a bunch of people on MSNBC who had doc to
their credit had doctors on saying there's no way they
just found out about this. Those are Trump allies. What
does it say about MNBC, who again owned MSNBC saying that, yeah,
(18:05):
this was just a it's just Trump allies that are
questioning it. Either Joe Scarborough is a hidden Trump ally
or they're lying about it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Well, when it comes to the mainstream media, you can't
really pay them enough to tell the truth anymore these days.
And so there was a time that people used to
get news from MSNBC, from ABC, from CBS, from CNN
to turn to these people, and all they would do
was get the story, and then it was left to
the consumer and the viewer to do with the information
(18:36):
what they wanted. What we saw ever since President Donald
Trump came into the realm of politics and started opening
and lifting the rug that everyone kept tripping on all
of these years to unveil all of the corruption and
everything else that's been going on in Washington. People have
had it out for him, and so it wasn't a
couple of years ago, and it's still going on now
that people not only will see President Donald Trump and
(18:58):
not only wish misfortune on him, but death and everything else.
And then when you have something like this with Joe Biden,
all of us here have had people that we know
personally that have dealt with cancer, that have dealt with
chronic illness and disease, and it could have been one
of the things that they kept from the public because
they didn't want it to be serious, or they didn't
want it to be taken serious. But to be honest,
it's just like none of us would have ever used
(19:19):
that as something to discredit somebody who was in the
position if their job was going well. And so now
it's almost like everybody wants us to become the critical
thinkers of everything else so that now they can be like, oh,
it's just the maga Republicans. It's these people over here,
these alt right extremist conservatives that were over here that
are all about this and everything else. And so the
(19:39):
whole purpose of this now is now again shifting the
blame and putting it on us and taking it off
of themselves when they were the ones that denied all
of his cognitive Decline said that when he couldn't answer
and stuttered and stumbled all over his interviews, that he
was so articulate. And so I'm just like, if that
is articulate, and then if that is sharp to you, I.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Do not want to know what out.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Of order looks, because now you're starting to see it
all unravel and now to us, we're just like, well,
if this was what's going on now, it kind of
makes sense. While someone would be stumbling through something reading
like and please pause here, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Man, that came out.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Therapy is really strong when it's working against you. Yeah,
geez Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Books will be written, and I can't wait for those
insider books, the actual insider books of how bad it
actually was inside, not just a reporter saying, hey, nobody
saw this, but here's our report on it. As Jake
Tapper's doing, Glenn, I feel like MSNBC yesterday and I
hate to give them credit, but they did cover a lot.
Now they're not doing it at all today. I'm sure
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they got huge blowback from their viewership.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I was like, hey, guys, stop stop telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
But I think there may be some sense that they've
captured the idea of authenticity, which we were talking about
with the podcasters earlier, and they did cover.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Joe s.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Carpero was the first person that I saw yesterday on
kind of the more mainstream lib side. Obviously conservatives were
talking about it days before to have a on saying yeah,
there's no way they just found that out. Do you
think that the live networks can course correct here to
try and gain some sort of credibility back in this
particular instance, or is it just is it a lost cause?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Can they Yes, they could do whatever they want and
they've proven that. But will they that's the question. I
don't think they will. I think that they've become very opportunistic,
and they have an agenda of some sort driving the
choices they make editorially, by what stories they choose, by
how they present them, by how they couch it in
(21:35):
a narrative. And that has been going on for ages.
It's why people like me and probably a lot of
viewers here have become disillusioned with stations that they would
have earlier in their lives. Said that they trusted or
at least spent some time watching, they lean heavily left.
And when it gets to the point where having a
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genuine medical opinion becomes an indicator to someone else of
your political beliefs, that's just absurd when you think about it, Like,
I don't get that. We've seen it with COVID, we've
seen it here, and it's fine if people disagree, But
why can't people talk about that disagreement. Why does it
have to mean you believe something else about politics? Clearly
(22:19):
the man is in bad shape. It's the effects of
old age. These things happen as people age. So I
don't know what they'll do, but I can't imagine I
will like it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I don't know what they'll do, but I can't
imagine it'll be the right thing. Moving on to this
because I want to get this on really quick. In
a couple of minutes we have left. I'm just gonna
read you, guys a paragraph from the New York Times
talking about AI and education. Now, there's a lot of
fear that kids aren't ever gonna learn anything because they're
just gonna type it into chat GBT and it's gonna
spit out an answer, But I thought this was an
accidental truth from the New York Times that he's even
(22:53):
more telling than the AI in schools. A few weeks
into her sophomore year in college, Leah Barrell got an
notification that made her stomach drop. She received a zero
on an assignment worth fifteen percent of her final grade
in a required writing class. A brief note, the professor
explained that he believed she had outsourced the composition of
her paper, a mock cover letter, to an AI chatbot. Now, Anthony, yes,
(23:15):
it's bad if kids are starting to exclusively use chatbots.
But the thing that I found fascinating about this particular paragraph.
A sophomore in college, fifteen percent of her grade was
a cover letter. I mean, maybe I'm old, but I
was writing cover letters in high school with proficiency. Is
(23:36):
this more of an indicator that the education in our
country has slipped to a level beyond repair, that we
might not even have to worry about chatbots At the
fact that a cover letter is worth fifteen percent of
your grade in freaking college.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh yeah, it's definitely been on the decline, and it's
definitely been failing, because.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You see the outlook of it.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Everyone always thinks it's policies that fail, it's legislation that fails,
it's politicians and all these other things. I'm like, those
are byproducts of the people who ask for them. And
I said, the only way to tell if something is
worth its validity are two things, through the results of
what people produce and time. And over time, what have
we seen. We have seen a generation of kids.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Job Bob.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
You remember when we were in school and math teachers
used to take your calculators away, and they say, calculators will.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Dumb your brain down.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
You need to learn how to do the math by yourself.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
A calculator is just supposed to help you speed up
when you're in a crunch, but you need to learn
how to carry the denominator, how to do all these
other things. You have kids who are going to be
seniors going into the workforce that don't know how to
write a resume, They don't know how to put a
cover letter together. I was like, they don't even know
how to write themselves a bio for the things that
they've completed in life. And now when they sit here
and do all these other things relying on artificial intelligence,
(24:47):
anything artificial in the conservative world is a bad thing
because artificial is just a fancy word for fake. We
need organic intelligence to come back. People who are cognitive thinkers,
articulate speakers. I was like, rational debaters, all of these
things that require the use of your brain, because if
the world were to shut down on the internet were
to go ouf, there'd be very few people that could
(25:07):
survive without it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, it's wild, and again I think it's just an
overall decline of what's going on in our school system. Glenn,
I sorry, I got a really really short time in
thirty seconds or less. When did you learn how to
write a cover letter?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, I've been writing cover letters my whole life, at
least my whole adult life. It's not that hard, and honestly,
AI can be great to get you started on that path.
But if you aren't able to take what AI spits
out and give it your own voice, then you truly
have been failed by the education system. Some of this
you just have to practice, put in the hard work,
(25:43):
and if you do that, you'll find the right job.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah. Now, this girl said that she didn't use AI.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
But again, my biggest thing that I'm caught up on
is the fact that fifteen percent of a grade, A
big chunk of her grade was based in as a
sophomore in college, was based around something so rudimentary.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I think your high school student could do it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Anthony Watson, Glenn Henderson, guys, thanks so much for joining us.
Really appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Coming up next day. Clip from Alice Clark's Culture Apothecary podcast,
Don't Go Away, You be right back after this.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Dealing with the abuse that you and your siblings endured.
Did you guys struggle at all in school or their
behavioral issues?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Did you have trouble making friends.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
As far as my sister is like, I don't know
for sure, but they appear to have done a lot
better than me in school. They were also more under
my mother's control. I struggled a lot, but I'm smart.
For example, my mother would put me into a special
ED class. And you know, at this point, I'm already
(26:51):
in denial, and if I have my mother putting me
in a special AD class, like I kind of feel
like there's something wrong with me.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
That seems like a direct, deliberate move to again prevent
you from being able to speak out about what was happening.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
People would doubt it because.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
You're in the special ed class, or you know, well,
she's got some of these issues, so like she might
say some crazy things sometimes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
That kind of seems like maybe that was on purpose.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
I have so many stories like that, like I struggled
with drug addiction due to my trauma, the scapegoating, the
pointing the fingers at me from age twenty one to
twenty four, sixteen, seventeen to twenty four, on and off.
I'm thirty six now, And that's another example of you know,
(27:39):
like there's something wrong with Kibbi, like she has this thing,
but in all reality, my true self wouldn't use drugs
and I did it for a reason. And there were
there's a lot of examples like that, like kind of
like dumbing me down, pushing me in a corner where
it looks like I'm not presentable to society or humanity.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Talk about what you would hear during some of these rituals.
What would your mom say to you.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
She would tie me up on a chair and I
would be like, no, don't, don't, don't, and she would
say you have to do this, you have to do this.
So it's like a lot of like verbal abuse and direction.
But I will speak on behalf of my most traumatic
memory or experience, and that was with Sam, and she
did speak to me during that ritual. And my mother
a big reason for her doing these sacrifices, in my
(28:31):
observations and experiences, is for her to get off to it.
In between rituals, she would essay us and she would
talk about the rituals, and.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
That's how she would like get off.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
She got to a point where she would get off
by making others do the deed as well. In cults,
from my understanding, when people make something do something so guilty,
where they feel so guilty and shameful, they don't want
to leave. So it was my turn, when I was
(29:08):
five almost six, to solely sacrifice a child, and it
was Sam, the eight year old. We just had dinner
with him. I love Sam. I'll never stop loving Sam,
and I'll never be tray Sam. I think that he's
a big reason why I'm here today recovering because it
was such a traumatic memory that I've held on. But
(29:30):
during that ritual, we had dinner with Sam, and I
thought he was my new brother, and I was so
excited because I'm like this brother, this eight year old's
going to save my broken family. And after the ritual
things changed pretty quick. Roles in my family changed throughout
the years. For example, my older sister started to graduate
(29:50):
towards the clean up role, which was my father's role.
So during the exact ritual itself, my older sister wasn't there.
I remember me and my right on the right, my
younger sister on the left. My mom was behind me
and she gave me a knife for my right hand
and she told me to do it to Sam. I wouldn't.
(30:15):
I couldn't, and I thought either something really bad would
happen to me or Sam would get let go. So
there was a lot of communication in this ritual. My
mom was saying, you have to do it, you have
to do it, and like I said, she always had
this sense of urgency. She was just getting so mad
at me, and I thought she was going to take
(30:36):
my hand and make me do it myself. And that's
not what happened. She gave it to somebody else who
looked very disassociated and did it themselves.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Did your mom force you to eat Sam?
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yes, that was my consequence for not sacrificing Sam, and
it wasn't the first time I was fed human flesh. Thankfully,
my mother cooked it. I've heard of other stories where
they don't. But because it was Sam, someone who I
grew an attachment to, I feel like that was me
drinking the kool aid or taking SIPs like that's kind
(31:15):
of what enabled me, or a big factor to go
into denial because I felt so guilty. And I will
say I didn't eat any of them fully, like I
had this thing where I would chew it up and
then when my mom wasn't looking, I would put it
under a blanket or in a milk glass. She never
said anything to me about it, thank God. But I
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feel like I did that to help releviate some of
the guilts.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
She think it might have worked too going through all
of this, What was your biggest wish?
Speaker 6 (31:43):
I knew there was so much beauty outside of my family.
I didn't know how big Satanic ritual abuse was. My
first wish was to become an artist and tell on
my mother, and I developed into a teenager that came
(32:03):
more like telling my story about my mother as well.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
How old were you when you were finally able to escape.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I was twenty three, years old when I moved from Wisconsin,
thousands of miles away. So I kind of look at
that as like I physically escaped them, because I don't
think I would have been able to recover at age
thirty had I been close to my mom, because that's
typically the way cults work a lot. I think having
(32:29):
seven years away from my family, and I had also
gotten sober, but that wasn't good enough for me. I
was still in denial. So I kind of look at
it it was like I physically got away at twenty four,
but mentally, spiritually, emotionally not until age thirty, and I'm
still on that journey.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
You said the last ritual that you witnessed was around eight,
between eight and twenty.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Three when you escaped.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Did you guys ever talk about it, like was it
just this elephant in the room of what had gone
on all those years prior?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I think the first year or two. Maybe it was
like a small baby elephant, because like I was saying,
like we were in so much shame and guilt, like
we didn't want to talk about this. We were just kids.
I do remember a time when I was about ten
years old and my older sister we were outside playing
with chalk, and my older sister goes, remember when our
(33:29):
family used to kill people? And I'm sitting there thinking like, yeah,
with shame. I didn't say anything in this particular incident,
but my younger sister looks up and goes, yeah, afterwards,
it was a lot of brainwashing and manipulating us into
that it never happened. And it worked pretty well on
(33:50):
my sister's and it worked well on me too, But
for me, I chose self destruction.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Was your mom's personality kind of aloof? And there was
something different about her or to all appearances. Was she
like this really charming, warm woman.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
You would never guess on the outside that she would
do these things. And I feel like one of her
manipulation tactics as she's gotten older, especially, is to exhibit
a persona which makes people confuse love for pity, if
that makes sense. It enables or helps people to trust
(34:27):
her more. Just her demeanor, the way she talks around.
She's very friendly to people. During my teenage years, after
the rituals, she put us in all these extracurricular activities
at volleyball. She was called Mama Razzi because she took
all the pictures she was like girl scout leader, like
just there for us.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
That's interesting, she was a girl Scout leader.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
How likely is it that she's that position to procure
some of these children.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I don't think that she used that position to get
the children. I think she for anything that she made
herself appear good, for example taking the pictures at volleyball,
or having us kids travel around for volleyball, or showing
that she's a good mom by putting us in these
extracurricular activities. I don't think she did that to get children.
(35:16):
I think she did that to make her persona look strong, reputable, kind,
and like a good mother.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Has your healing process been pretty up and down, like
you're doing well and then and then maybe you backslide
a little bit, or has it been Has it been
linear for you where it's just gotten better over time?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
As long as I prioritize my recovery, my faith God,
it is linear, But it doesn't feel like it now.
Are there times that I am not as close with God? Yes? Absolutely,
I don't think recovery is linear, but in a sense
I kind of feel like it does, because when someone
(35:56):
keeps trudging and going forward like they do get back,
but by all means, it does not feel linear, like
I will go through a week of feeling safe and free,
and then I'll go through a week of not and hardships.
Another thing that happens during my healing era are my
friends rotate a lot. So that's something that brings a
(36:18):
lot of grief, and then I do the footwork to
find more supportive friends. So there's a lot of ups
and downs emotionally. But I do feel like if I
prioritize my recovery and my faith, I am growing immediately.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Nobody has thought about you, who's just twenty four to
seven flooding the zone.
Speaker 9 (36:44):
Back to my thirteen year old owning this space every day,
getting a.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Convert and then I'm thinking about we're going to stand
back and watch you run circles around us.
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Without that, without further ado in the well, just brief
time we have. I thought this clip was fascinating and
just a great depiction of how libs look at everything.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Can't something just be what it is? Watch this.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's a sketch, it's funny, it's insightful, and I don't know,
I think you'll enjoy.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
It, Ashley, why don't you come up here? Intel's about
your piece?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
So I drew my grandpa's house. I just love my
grandpa and I have so many great memories in this house,
so I decided to draw it. I'm fascinated by your
choice to pick your grandfather's house rather than your grandmother's.
What a subtle commentary on the patriarchal legacies within the
black family structure. It's a cartography of belonging, a map
of kinship networks that sustained black communicative.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Space around the house.
Speaker 10 (39:13):
It perfectly captures the isolation imposed by redlining and segregation.
It's urban planning, even coded oral tradition into visual form.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
This isn't just a house, It's an archive of lived experience,
even your perspective choice is political viewing the structure from
the side suggests a reverence for black elders as knowledge.
Speaker 10 (39:30):
Keepers the windows they simultaneously represent surveillance and visibility.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Wow, whoa, I've never seen a trap house before. Part
of the very end I thought was the funniest part.
You may not have caught it. Go back and rewatched it.
It'll be funny for you if you do catch it
and understand what it means. Jokingly, of course. But isn't
that Isn't that so indicative of how libs see everything?
The commentary on it, the caption on it, they didn't
(39:54):
see it, but the caption on the social media platforms
is it's just my grandpa's house. There's no common darry
on the racial divide, the buzzwords go wow, the subtle
nuances in the pedagogy of how black people were educated
in different ways. No, no, no, it's just my grandpa's house.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Not everything is.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
In your weird I don't know, intersectional whatever, it's just
my grandpa's house. I thought that was fascinating. We'll be
back same time tomorrow, same time, same place tomorrow. Thanks
so much for tuning in Charlie's gonna take us out.
See you tomorrow. God bless America.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
Today for hour two, I'm gonna play some of our
incredibly impactful conversation I had with Ben and Corley Spell.
They are not only the founders of Good Ranchers and
amazing company good Ranchers dot Com from Uncle Charlie, but
they also have an amazing story of God's faithfulness in
their times. I think you're gonna really enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Watch this.
Speaker 9 (40:58):
Okay, everybody here for a very special comment conversation to
friends mine I haven't seen for quite a while, Ben
and Correly Spell from good Ranchers dot Com. And we're
going to talk all about Good Ranchers this entire hour.
But first I want to say welcome backs to the program.
Speaker 11 (41:11):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for me here.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
So God has really been present throughout this entire company
and this journey. And if I understand correctly, Ben, you
heard from the Lord to start this company in the
first place, Is that right?
Speaker 5 (41:25):
That's right?
Speaker 11 (41:26):
Yeah, Yeah, we were. I was a worship pastor at
a large church in Houston and I started I started
getting this just this pull on my heart to do
something else. I love ministry. I love I love music,
and I loved working at the church. I did it
from the time I was nineteen into my mid thirties,
(41:47):
and I just I started feeling and I just started
thinking I wanted to do something else so I didn't
have to take a paycheck from the church.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
That's what what I thought. I was gonna Look.
Speaker 11 (41:58):
What I was looking for was make like a side hustle,
even though it wasn't a term a decade, very much
termed nowt But so I thought, well, what could I
do on the side to supplement my income and to
where I could maybe just volunteer for the church. Again,
not that it's wrong to get paid by church, it's
a real job. I have a lot of pastor's friends
and and stuff, and watching a lot of Shark Tank
(42:20):
and getting and getting different ideas and things, and started
having this idea of a meat company and started kind
of telling I remember the first time I told Courly man,
somebody should do this, this, this and this and and
and even though I was praying for those ideas and
praying for God to give me something else, the first
(42:41):
time it came, you know, clueless, man, I am. I
didn't even it didn't even register for a second that
that was something that we should do or something that
was was for me. And so I remember sitting at
dinner at Corey saying, you know what, I bet if
somebody were to do this, this, this, and this, they
could be they could be pretty sick stressful. And then
we just didn't think any much of it. And over
(43:03):
the course of about a year, every three or four months,
I would have these ideas of starting a meat company,
which I knew nothing about meat, nothing about agriculture. Wasn't
we had no money. And at the point where we
finally said you know where, we finally listened and went,
(43:25):
you know, and went and did it. We had just
had our first baby boy. And this was at the
end of twenty seventeen and I was getting ready. I
was it was a Sunday morning, I was getting ready
for church, and all of a sudden, I start having
these thoughts of this meat company. And I always say
(43:45):
that God told me to start a meat company, but
what the words I actually heard in my head were.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
You do it?
Speaker 11 (43:50):
And it struck me to my core and I'm not
I want to be the first one to say like
I'm not this, Like God goes around talking to me
type person. Yeah, yeah, that's you know what, parking spot
to get her kind of things like that. But I
say it with a lot of conviction because it wasn't
an audible Heavens open up, you know, the all girls
start a meat company. It was just you do it.
(44:12):
And it just struck me to my core. And so
I came out. I came out of the room and
I went over to Corley and I said, God just
told me to start a meat company again. We had
a three month old baby boy. I was expecting her
to look at me and say, what are you talking about.
We don't have any money, we don't know anything about meat,
(44:33):
we don't know anything about running the business. And instead
she looked back at me and she said, if you
heard God, then I trust her.
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Was that audible here or is it?
Speaker 5 (44:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It was no, like I said, it wasn't. It was
not audible.
Speaker 11 (44:45):
It was just it just was in my in my spirit,
loud and clear, you do it. And so she said,
if you heard God, then I trust you. So we
we did just that. We went out, I didn't know
anything about anything, started selling meat out of the back
of a truck and parking lot in Waco, Texas, and
(45:09):
the side hustle began, yeah, and went from one truck
to two trucks, to three trucks to four trucks. And
then that was in twenty eighteen, and we were really blessed.
We were really blessed right off the bat with people
showing up and stuff. And then I have a very
curious nature about myself, and so I if I'm going
(45:30):
to do something, I really want to study and learn
and learn everything. I'm very competitive, So if I want
to do it, I want to do it. I want
to do it right. So I started reading and studying
and reading and studying about you know, about agriculture and
about meat. And in twenty nineteen we realized that there's
no country of origin labeling law, which you know, we
talk about.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
It all the time.
Speaker 11 (45:51):
We're going to talk about that more, yeah, for beef
or for pork in the US. And we went, WHOA,
that's not that's not cool, and so and then lo
and behold. We we looked at all the stuff that
we were buying at that time, and almost all of
it was was was imported, even though it was USDA
inspected product of USA and those things and so going
(46:14):
into twenty twenty, we made some new connections of supply
supplier connections and drew a line in the sand and said,
you know, we're only going to source American born, raised,
and harvested meat, and which is actually harder than you
would think. And and so we went into twenty twenty
(46:35):
with setting out for that goal, still selling meat out
of the back of trucks. COVID happened that year, which
was really crazy. We've realized we got to get online,
which we were kind of you know, in the future,
that'll be that'll be there one day. But yeah, we.
Speaker 9 (46:53):
When you say you were selling meat, what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 11 (46:57):
What does that mean?
Speaker 9 (46:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (46:58):
I know it was by like just prepackaged boxed beef
from from like a broker. There's people that still do this.
Once COVID happened, people started coming out of the woodworks
doing that sort sort of business model. It's kind of
existed for a long time in small towns, and so
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we used that model to build the brand and and grow.
And that was the idea I originally had. I saw
people doing that, I thought, man, I bet you could
actually because by and large, almost everyone I don't want
to say everyone, but almost everyone doing that model is
selling really really really poor quality and and just lying
(47:42):
about it because you know they can. It's kind of
fly by night shady kind of deal. So we set out,
let's do that, but build a brand around it. Let's
sell quality, let's source quality. The thing is, we didn't
know how to do that originally.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
It
NBC had a bananas headline about the Biden diagnosis, which
I thought was hilarious. Also, the collapse of education as
intertwined with AI might not actually be the AI that's
the problem. And also Jake Tapper's book is finally out.
Is it running cover for the people who were running
cover for President Biden's mental decline? All that more coming
(00:29):
up on this episode of Turning Point Tonight. My name
is Joe Bob. Thanks so much for tuning in. Together,
we are charting the course of America's cultural will comeback.
This is Turning Point Tonight. Now, before we get to
those stories and our fantastic panel, we have to talk
about this. There is an article in the New York
Times talking about the Libs diagnosing the problem that they
have correctly. Now there's good news and bad news. The
(00:50):
bad news is they've might have figured out why it
is that they've lost, or at least a part of
the reason why they lost. The good news is I
don't think they understand it exactly. And that's what it
comes to podcasting. Now, you've heard so many times from
the lefty media. We need to find the liberal, Joe Rogan,
we need to find the liberal, theovonn or the liberal
(01:11):
Charlie Kirk. And that actually is a big thing that
they need to figure out over the weekend or I
guess over the last couple months private gatherings. This is
from The New York Times of strategists and donors are
swapping ideas to help the party capitalize the digital mojo
that helped President Trump win. And yes there is a
(01:32):
price tag, says The New York Times. Now they are
diagnosing the problem correctly. The good news is, I think
they misunderstand it. The article goes on to talk about
the various people involved, the various political packs that are
going to try and raise money and effectively buy their
way into the podcasting space. Unfortunately for them, that's not
(01:54):
how it works. Joe Rogan didn't pop out of nowhere.
Charlie Kirk didn't pop out of nowhere. It may seem
like that to some libs. If you're looking through TikTok
and you see Charlie Kirk reels going constantly, Yeah, that
may be a new thing, but the guy's been at
it for geez, almost fifteen years. Joe Rogan the same way.
He's been at it for almost twenty years. In the
podcast game. Just because libs have money doesn't mean they
(02:17):
can effectively buy the influence that they think they can
get in the podcasting world. And even on top of that,
here's the big problem that they have. The reason Charlie
Kirk is popular, the reason Joe Rogan is popular, theovonn
is popular, it's because they aren't lying to people. Now,
you may disagree with some things that Joe Rogan says,
some things that Theovonne says. Some people some things that
(02:39):
Andrew Sholz or any other big postcasters say, but at
the very least, they're not lying to you. And unfortunately
for libs, unfortunately for us, the misdiagnosis of the podcast
world includes the fact that, well, they have to lie
in order to get their policies through because their policies
aren't effective and they don't work. So the bad news is, yes,
they have figured out out that is a weak point
(03:01):
in their strategy as Libs trying to move forward and
win elections. The good news is they don't think they
understand how difficult it is building something from the ground
up that is authentic and true and genuine. Like so
many people in the conservative to the Aisle have done
and hopefully will just crash and burn in flames and
also waste a.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Lot of lib money.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Here to comments on that and so much more, as
Turning Point contributor Anthony Watson, And we're putting a name
to the face Glenn Hendrickson producer, Glenn who you've probably
heard us talk about. He reads every single one of
your emails, every single line, every single word TBT ATPUSA
dot com. Here he is, Glenn. Put a name to
a face. Guys, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Great to be here. Uh, Anthony, I want to start
with you here.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
This is again something that people have been pointing out
on both sides of the aisles. These liberals just don't
have the long form podcasting world. Gavin Newsom has ventured
into it, among several other people that are trying to
take its stab again becoming the next conservative Joe Rogan
or sorry, liberal Joe Rogan. Do you think they're gonna
make any headway here, especially the way they're going about it,
(04:07):
which is effectively throwing money at the problem and saying, well, yeah,
we can buy influence.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's how it works.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, it's a short, it's a short term goal for
something that literally never works out for anybody in the
end who tries to do it that way. You can
only throw money at something for so long because the
people who have done that always find it running out,
which is then when they go on their victimization campaigns
to now try to guilt trip other people to supporting
something that inevitably was started to fail in the first place.
(04:33):
Now you look at something as equal as podcasting, There
are podcasts galore these days. So many people have them
on YouTube, so many people have them on Spotify, Apple Music,
all of these other streaming platforms that a lot of
us don't even know of, Twitch, all of these places
where everyone is speaking for an opinion. What actually makes
people actually have a successful podcast is the work that
they put in on themselves and the work that they've
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done in it to actually have something to talk about.
But everyone that you're starting to see now trying to
get influence in this space is doing it for every
reason that the mainstream media is doing it. And with
the mainstream media numbers tanking, it's no wonder that liberal
podcasts now are not really in the same airwave anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, it's also fascinating too.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
How again, they think that we just throw money this
What I think they're going to do is probably overpay
a bunch of people who aren't going to make really
much of a dent, because in fact, they have to
lie to people in order to get their policies and
stuff through. Glenn, do you see this catching on? Do
you think that this is going to be We're trying
to build an audience? Here is how difficult is it actually?
(05:33):
And do you think that Libs can just throw money
at it and hope it works?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I wish them the best of luck, Joe Bob. They
should absolutely try this. They should articulate, They should be
forced to articulate their ideas about the way the world
should be. And I think that would only play better
for us the more that we can get them onto
neutral ground and have genuine dialogue with them about the ideas,
(05:58):
their economic policy, they're foreign policy, whether boys or boys
and girls are girls, you name it, and there's going
to be ten conservatives ready to line up and be
a guest on that podcast and throwing money at it.
I mean, yeah, this is what they chronically do. They
see a problem, or they'll invent a problem, and then
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the first solution is always throw money at it. And
I mean, if that worked, snow White would be the
biggest movie of the year, Am I right? That's that's
definitely not the case. Conservatives were kicked out effectively of
mainstream media over the last few decades and we were
forced to find alternative ways to get out there. And
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that was right around the time podcasts were coming out.
The Internet was getting bigger and bigger, and platforms like
this really have been built over years. You can't cook
it over now. You can't microwave what we have going here.
I wish them the best, but it'll take a long
time to get there.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think, if I can careacterize, what you're saying is, yeah,
you can't buy trust, you can't buy genuineness, you can't
buy authenticity. And that's what I think they're going to do.
And so, yeah, they did diagnose the problem, it seems correctly,
but their solution to that problems probably won't work. At
least I hope it doesn't work, you know, because well
it's it's been a pretty nice advantage to have. Moving
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on to the libs doing lib things, Anthony Jake Tapper's
book is now out. Now we've been talking about this
for a while now, and one of the nuggets that
have come out of this is Tapper is now saying
in his book Original Sin, chronicling the whole Joe Biden
mental disability thing, is saying, well, even people that were
super close didn't have access. It was very, very small
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the inner circle, and even Democrat senators that had known
Joe Biden for decades were being lied to. Now to me,
I don't know if I can trust Jake Tapper, and
so it seems like that book might be running cover
for the people who were running cover. We saw Elizabeth
Warren say, I didn't know. Do you think that that's
what the goal of the book is? You think they're
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intentionally doing that? Or is this I don't know me
or conservatives extrapolating too much out of that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, I don't really know what the book entails until
people actually sit down to read it. But as far
as I'm concerned, when Jake Tapper mentioned that he was
coming out with the book, it really wasn't something that
I was interested in because what information is he going
to give that now is only going to help him
in the long run become a best seller just because
he wants to give you breadcrumbs inevitably, and what people
want is the real story behind what actually happened. And
(08:30):
so we knew from the get go that there was
no unity between Kamala Harris and former President Biden from
the debate stage when she was accusing him of racism.
Then she joins the man with no questions or a
fans or butts, and then they both get absolutely nothing
accomplished in the White House. Everybody from the outside saw
that the decline was there. Everybody from the outside saw
the disconnect. Everybody from the outside saw all of the
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interviews that were missed, all of the questions that were dodged,
all of the mishaps with the teleprompters and everything else.
We knew from the outside that this man wasn't fit.
So what in all honesty is somebody now writing a
book gonna be like, what's it gonna say?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, the guy was unfit.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
We're just like, yeah, no, dip sherlock. We saw that
from the people watching on the outside. So when it
comes to all of these other things, the only thing
that would honestly make me pay attention to it in
the slightest is if it were to say like, hey,
this was the inner workings, and this is why they
decided to do it, because they were initially trying to
get this done. But like you said, Joe Bob, perfectly,
it's a cover for a cover. It's distracting people over
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here so that this will slowly start becoming something that
nobody pays attention to anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, seriously, it's honestly astonishing why they think they could
get with. I hope Jake t ever doesn't actually make
any money off of this. Unfortunately, he probably will. Glenn
John Stewart made a joke yesterday on the Daily Show
and basically said the problem with this cover up is
they didn't actually cover anything up. Everybody knew, which is
(09:52):
the antithesis of a cover up. Also, the book says
that Kamala Harris the actual moment where she cut ties
with Joe Biden's when you randomly put on a Maga hat.
You saw that in the b roll kind of I
guess your thoughts here, like if she would have maybe
come forward about this and been out front rather than
continuing to try how it would that have helped her numbers?
(10:15):
And or is I don't know, is it the fact
that this everybody knew the you know, there was no
help in it to begin with.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, this book is probably not one on my summer
reading list. If I'm completely honest, I might ask chat
GPT for a summary at some point. But I'm quite
honestly shocked.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
We know.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I mean, if you've been paying attention to the media
and the slide of hand that the Democrats or those
on the left do, they often try to cover things
up or spin them in a favorable light, and I
guess we all do that to some extent. But the
most ridiculous thing about this is that we could all
see Biden slowing down. And it was hard because we
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all know people in our lives who have gone through
mental decline, had some form of dementia like that touches everyone.
It doesn't respect politics. But we all saw it happening,
and they could have built credibility by honestly addressing it
and hitting it as an issue that would have bought
a lot of sympathy and probably won a lot of hearts.
(11:21):
But they just denied it and hit it like it
was something shameful. And now this whole thing with his
cancer revelation is just another layer to the cake, and
it's sad on one front. It is it's embarrassing on
the political front because instead of being honest about things,
they just hid behind it. I'm not surprised Kamla felt
the way she felt. I quite honestly think there's a
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lot more going on with her than just that.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Though.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, I would venture to guess a similar thing. Guys, Hey,
thanks for me here. We'll be right back after the break.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
When Glenn and Anthony break down NBC's Banana's headline speaking
of the Joe Biden cancer issue that's unfortunately plaguing the
former president and also the collapse of the education system,
people are kept pointing AI, Hey, this is AI, but
there's actually a really interesting that I think the interesting
part of a New York Times article where they accidentally
told the truth without even knowing it. All that more
(12:17):
coming up on this episode of Turning Point Tonight. Don't
go away.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We'll be right back after the break.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Welcome back to Turning Point Tonight. We're together. We are
charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Thanks so much
for sticking with us through the break. It's time to
check in with White House correspondent for turning point, Monica
Page Monica. Lots of stuff going on at the White House.
But again that's I repeat myself, it's a Trump white House.
There's stuff going on all the time. Trump visited the
Hill this morning to discuss some things, and as a
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part of that, I hear we got some exclusive verbiage
wording I think pigger wars better job up.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We got some exclusive intakes from Tom Homan.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Can you tell us about Trump's kind of trip to
the Hill and also what you discussed with the borders are.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Yeah, Joe, Bob, great to be with you. Yeah, President
Trump took a very rare trip to Capitol Hill to
talk to the GOP and Republicans that really need to
get in line with the passage of this one big,
beautiful bill that has a lot of stuff in it
when it comes to taxes, economy, trade, when it comes
to even our own border security. And that's exactly what
you just mentioned, Joe, Bob, ice got to speak exclusively
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to our borders. Our Tom Holman who gaggled right here
on the West Wing out outside of the Oval Office,
and I asked him specifically, how will the passage of
this bill bolster on our national security, really boost these
mass deportations and our border wall in general. And he
really listed off all the things that this border bill
or this reconciliation bill will include as it pertains to
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our southern border, better technology, more ice agents, more beds,
listing off a bunch of different things, especially especially when
it comes to our border wall, especially the construction of it.
We know that under Joe Biden it came to a halt.
It was actually parts of it were being sold under
the Biden administration, and we're being sold for pennies on
the dollar at that. So to hear from Tom Home
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and exclusively one on one and really understand how much
is going to go towards the border and help us
nationally for our security was really it was a really
reassuring feeling, and we can really hope that this will
get passed. We'll find out more as the week goes on,
but there's a deadline for Memorial Day, so we'll see
if that gets passed.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, it'll be really interesting to follow that story. Shifting
gears entirely. You know, part of politicians, but I think
that I hate most about politicians is there always Well,
we just need to move forward and we need to
move forward, and that's fine. I'm all about moving forward,
but also you have to look back in the past
and figure out what went wrong in some of the
bigger instances. Obviously COVID comes to mind, and more specifically
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during the Biden administration, the Afghanistan withdraw the backle.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
What's going on there? Coming out of the White House today,
big news, Yeah, peege.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Head accept our security or Defense Security said basically, you're
going to investigate what happened on back in twenty twenty
one in August where thirteen of our service members were
killed in one hundred and seventy civilians were killed in
the suicide bombing at Abbey Gate and Kabble. So there's
going to be a huge investigation and there's also going
to be a specific announcement as it pertains to the
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Golden Dome project, which President Trump will be also announcing
with Pete Hegseth and its implementation, its construction, and how
much money it's going to take to construct this Golden Dome,
which will essentially protect Americans and protect the United States
from any sort of aerial attacks. President Trump really blames
this Bosch Afghanistan withdrawal under Joe Biden as to the
(15:44):
reason why Russia invade Ukraine, why there's been chaos in
the Middle East ever since, how we got here, Hamas
and Israel as well. You know, there are many different
issues globally that President Trump credits, the Kabble disaster and
the Bosch Afghanistan withdrawal two specific that so all the
things we've been seeing. So this is going to be
a huge announcement. And of course SpaceX is also teaming
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up with President Trump as well to kind of provide
the technology behind the Golden Dome, which is very interesting,
and working with different kinds of security agencies to make
this a big, beautiful dome as well. So it'll be
a great announcement and a beautiful project over the next
twenty years or so.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Unfortunately, considering how much I've seen from the government, I'm
skeptical that anybody's going to pay a huge price for
the Afghanistan withdrawal. But this is at least a step
in the right direction. Monica Page turning points, White House Correspondent,
thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
For joining us.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Thanks Jo Bob.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I love having Monica back. You know, we missed her
and we congratulated on our wedding. But the fact that
she's back it makes me feel good. Now, I hope
it makes you feel good too. Speaking of things that
don't make me feel good. Let let's bring our panel
back in here. Glenn Hendrickson and Anthony Watson turning point,
contributor and producer of the show. Sorry, flip those so
Glenn Hendrickson's the producer. Anthony Wattson is the contributor. I
think you can tell just by looking at the camera
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who's who. But I bet joins us again because I
want to talk about this NBC headline, which I thought
was freaking fascinating, especially considering who was covering the Joe
Biden cancer diagnosis yesterday. Now again, none of this again,
cancer sad, Cancer is bad. We don't want to see anybody,
even our political ideological enemies, deal with this sort of thing.
(17:21):
Everybody agrees with that, but the whole cover up is fascinating.
I'm gonna read this headline from NBC. Trump allies shift
from shift from well wishes to suggesting Biden hid his
cancer diagnosis. Initial sympathy for Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis has
starting to ebb and suggestion suggesting the Donald Trump's allies
masked his condition. Basically, they're saying Trump allies are now
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accusing Joe Biden of hiding this anthony. You know, I
didn't know this, but apparently Joe Scarborough of MSNBC and
a bunch of people on MSNBC who had doc to
their credit had doctors on saying there's no way they
just found out about this. Those are Trump allies. What
does it say about MNBC, who again owned MSNBC saying that, yeah,
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this was just a it's just Trump allies that are
questioning it. Either Joe Scarborough is a hidden Trump ally
or they're lying about it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Well, when it comes to the mainstream media, you can't
really pay them enough to tell the truth anymore these days.
And so there was a time that people used to
get news from MSNBC, from ABC, from CBS, from CNN
to turn to these people, and all they would do
was get the story, and then it was left to
the consumer and the viewer to do with the information
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what they wanted. What we saw ever since President Donald
Trump came into the realm of politics and started opening
and lifting the rug that everyone kept tripping on all
of these years to unveil all of the corruption and
everything else that's been going on in Washington. People have
had it out for him, and so it wasn't a
couple of years ago, and it's still going on now
that people not only will see President Donald Trump and
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not only wish misfortune on him, but death and everything else.
And then when you have something like this with Joe Biden,
all of us here have had people that we know
personally that have dealt with cancer, that have dealt with
chronic illness and disease, and it could have been one
of the things that they kept from the public because
they didn't want it to be serious, or they didn't
want it to be taken serious. But to be honest,
it's just like none of us would have ever used
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that as something to discredit somebody who was in the
position if their job was going well. And so now
it's almost like everybody wants us to become the critical
thinkers of everything else so that now they can be like, oh,
it's just the maga Republicans. It's these people over here,
these alt right extremist conservatives that were over here that
are all about this and everything else. And so the
(19:39):
whole purpose of this now is now again shifting the
blame and putting it on us and taking it off
of themselves when they were the ones that denied all
of his cognitive Decline said that when he couldn't answer
and stuttered and stumbled all over his interviews, that he
was so articulate. And so I'm just like, if that
is articulate, and then if that is sharp to you, I.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Do not want to know what out.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Of order looks, because now you're starting to see it
all unravel and now to us, we're just like, well,
if this was what's going on now, it kind of
makes sense. While someone would be stumbling through something reading
like and please pause here, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Man, that came out.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Therapy is really strong when it's working against you. Yeah,
geez Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Books will be written, and I can't wait for those
insider books, the actual insider books of how bad it
actually was inside, not just a reporter saying, hey, nobody
saw this, but here's our report on it. As Jake
Tapper's doing, Glenn, I feel like MSNBC yesterday and I
hate to give them credit, but they did cover a lot.
Now they're not doing it at all today. I'm sure
(20:37):
they got huge blowback from their viewership.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I was like, hey, guys, stop stop telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
But I think there may be some sense that they've
captured the idea of authenticity, which we were talking about
with the podcasters earlier, and they did cover.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Joe s.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Carpero was the first person that I saw yesterday on
kind of the more mainstream lib side. Obviously conservatives were
talking about it days before to have a on saying yeah,
there's no way they just found that out. Do you
think that the live networks can course correct here to
try and gain some sort of credibility back in this
particular instance, or is it just is it a lost cause?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Can they Yes, they could do whatever they want and
they've proven that. But will they that's the question. I
don't think they will. I think that they've become very opportunistic,
and they have an agenda of some sort driving the
choices they make editorially, by what stories they choose, by
how they present them, by how they couch it in
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a narrative. And that has been going on for ages.
It's why people like me and probably a lot of
viewers here have become disillusioned with stations that they would
have earlier in their lives. Said that they trusted or
at least spent some time watching, they lean heavily left.
And when it gets to the point where having a
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genuine medical opinion becomes an indicator to someone else of
your political beliefs, that's just absurd when you think about it, Like,
I don't get that. We've seen it with COVID, we've
seen it here, and it's fine if people disagree, But
why can't people talk about that disagreement. Why does it
have to mean you believe something else about politics? Clearly
(22:19):
the man is in bad shape. It's the effects of
old age. These things happen as people age. So I
don't know what they'll do, but I can't imagine I
will like it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I don't know what they'll do, but I can't
imagine it'll be the right thing. Moving on to this
because I want to get this on really quick. In
a couple of minutes we have left. I'm just gonna
read you, guys a paragraph from the New York Times
talking about AI and education. Now, there's a lot of
fear that kids aren't ever gonna learn anything because they're
just gonna type it into chat GBT and it's gonna
spit out an answer, But I thought this was an
accidental truth from the New York Times that he's even
(22:53):
more telling than the AI in schools. A few weeks
into her sophomore year in college, Leah Barrell got an
notification that made her stomach drop. She received a zero
on an assignment worth fifteen percent of her final grade
in a required writing class. A brief note, the professor
explained that he believed she had outsourced the composition of
her paper, a mock cover letter, to an AI chatbot. Now, Anthony, yes,
(23:15):
it's bad if kids are starting to exclusively use chatbots.
But the thing that I found fascinating about this particular paragraph.
A sophomore in college, fifteen percent of her grade was
a cover letter. I mean, maybe I'm old, but I
was writing cover letters in high school with proficiency. Is
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this more of an indicator that the education in our
country has slipped to a level beyond repair, that we
might not even have to worry about chatbots At the
fact that a cover letter is worth fifteen percent of
your grade in freaking college.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh yeah, it's definitely been on the decline, and it's
definitely been failing, because.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You see the outlook of it.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Everyone always thinks it's policies that fail, it's legislation that fails,
it's politicians and all these other things. I'm like, those
are byproducts of the people who ask for them. And
I said, the only way to tell if something is
worth its validity are two things, through the results of
what people produce and time. And over time, what have
we seen. We have seen a generation of kids.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Job Bob.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
You remember when we were in school and math teachers
used to take your calculators away, and they say, calculators will.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Dumb your brain down.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
You need to learn how to do the math by yourself.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
A calculator is just supposed to help you speed up
when you're in a crunch, but you need to learn
how to carry the denominator, how to do all these
other things. You have kids who are going to be
seniors going into the workforce that don't know how to
write a resume, They don't know how to put a
cover letter together. I was like, they don't even know
how to write themselves a bio for the things that
they've completed in life. And now when they sit here
and do all these other things relying on artificial intelligence,
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anything artificial in the conservative world is a bad thing
because artificial is just a fancy word for fake. We
need organic intelligence to come back. People who are cognitive thinkers,
articulate speakers. I was like, rational debaters, all of these
things that require the use of your brain, because if
the world were to shut down on the internet were
to go ouf, there'd be very few people that could
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survive without it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, it's wild, and again I think it's just an
overall decline of what's going on in our school system. Glenn,
I sorry, I got a really really short time in
thirty seconds or less. When did you learn how to
write a cover letter?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, I've been writing cover letters my whole life, at
least my whole adult life. It's not that hard, and honestly,
AI can be great to get you started on that path.
But if you aren't able to take what AI spits
out and give it your own voice, then you truly
have been failed by the education system. Some of this
you just have to practice, put in the hard work,
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and if you do that, you'll find the right job.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah. Now, this girl said that she didn't use AI.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
But again, my biggest thing that I'm caught up on
is the fact that fifteen percent of a grade, A
big chunk of her grade was based in as a
sophomore in college, was based around something so rudimentary.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I think your high school student could do it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Anthony Watson, Glenn Henderson, guys, thanks so much for joining us.
Really appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Coming up next day. Clip from Alice Clark's Culture Apothecary podcast,
Don't Go Away, You be right back after this.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Dealing with the abuse that you and your siblings endured.
Did you guys struggle at all in school or their
behavioral issues?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Did you have trouble making friends.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
As far as my sister is like, I don't know
for sure, but they appear to have done a lot
better than me in school. They were also more under
my mother's control. I struggled a lot, but I'm smart.
For example, my mother would put me into a special
ED class. And you know, at this point, I'm already
(26:51):
in denial, and if I have my mother putting me
in a special AD class, like I kind of feel
like there's something wrong with me.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
That seems like a direct, deliberate move to again prevent
you from being able to speak out about what was happening.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
People would doubt it because.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
You're in the special ed class, or you know, well,
she's got some of these issues, so like she might
say some crazy things sometimes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
That kind of seems like maybe that was on purpose.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
I have so many stories like that, like I struggled
with drug addiction due to my trauma, the scapegoating, the
pointing the fingers at me from age twenty one to
twenty four, sixteen, seventeen to twenty four, on and off.
I'm thirty six now, And that's another example of you know,
(27:39):
like there's something wrong with Kibbi, like she has this thing,
but in all reality, my true self wouldn't use drugs
and I did it for a reason. And there were
there's a lot of examples like that, like kind of
like dumbing me down, pushing me in a corner where
it looks like I'm not presentable to society or humanity.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Talk about what you would hear during some of these rituals.
What would your mom say to you.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
She would tie me up on a chair and I
would be like, no, don't, don't, don't, and she would
say you have to do this, you have to do this.
So it's like a lot of like verbal abuse and direction.
But I will speak on behalf of my most traumatic
memory or experience, and that was with Sam, and she
did speak to me during that ritual. And my mother
a big reason for her doing these sacrifices, in my
(28:31):
observations and experiences, is for her to get off to it.
In between rituals, she would essay us and she would
talk about the rituals, and.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
That's how she would like get off.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
She got to a point where she would get off
by making others do the deed as well. In cults,
from my understanding, when people make something do something so guilty,
where they feel so guilty and shameful, they don't want
to leave. So it was my turn, when I was
(29:08):
five almost six, to solely sacrifice a child, and it
was Sam, the eight year old. We just had dinner
with him. I love Sam. I'll never stop loving Sam,
and I'll never be tray Sam. I think that he's
a big reason why I'm here today recovering because it
was such a traumatic memory that I've held on. But
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during that ritual, we had dinner with Sam, and I
thought he was my new brother, and I was so
excited because I'm like this brother, this eight year old's
going to save my broken family. And after the ritual
things changed pretty quick. Roles in my family changed throughout
the years. For example, my older sister started to graduate
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towards the clean up role, which was my father's role.
So during the exact ritual itself, my older sister wasn't there.
I remember me and my right on the right, my
younger sister on the left. My mom was behind me
and she gave me a knife for my right hand
and she told me to do it to Sam. I wouldn't.
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I couldn't, and I thought either something really bad would
happen to me or Sam would get let go. So
there was a lot of communication in this ritual. My
mom was saying, you have to do it, you have
to do it, and like I said, she always had
this sense of urgency. She was just getting so mad
at me, and I thought she was going to take
(30:36):
my hand and make me do it myself. And that's
not what happened. She gave it to somebody else who
looked very disassociated and did it themselves.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Did your mom force you to eat Sam?
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yes, that was my consequence for not sacrificing Sam, and
it wasn't the first time I was fed human flesh. Thankfully,
my mother cooked it. I've heard of other stories where
they don't. But because it was Sam, someone who I
grew an attachment to, I feel like that was me
drinking the kool aid or taking SIPs like that's kind
(31:15):
of what enabled me, or a big factor to go
into denial because I felt so guilty. And I will
say I didn't eat any of them fully, like I
had this thing where I would chew it up and
then when my mom wasn't looking, I would put it
under a blanket or in a milk glass. She never
said anything to me about it, thank God. But I
(31:35):
feel like I did that to help releviate some of
the guilts.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
She think it might have worked too going through all
of this, What was your biggest wish?
Speaker 6 (31:43):
I knew there was so much beauty outside of my family.
I didn't know how big Satanic ritual abuse was. My
first wish was to become an artist and tell on
my mother, and I developed into a teenager that came
(32:03):
more like telling my story about my mother as well.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
How old were you when you were finally able to escape.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I was twenty three, years old when I moved from Wisconsin,
thousands of miles away. So I kind of look at
that as like I physically escaped them, because I don't
think I would have been able to recover at age
thirty had I been close to my mom, because that's
typically the way cults work a lot. I think having
(32:29):
seven years away from my family, and I had also
gotten sober, but that wasn't good enough for me. I
was still in denial. So I kind of look at
it it was like I physically got away at twenty four,
but mentally, spiritually, emotionally not until age thirty, and I'm
still on that journey.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
You said the last ritual that you witnessed was around eight,
between eight and twenty.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Three when you escaped.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Did you guys ever talk about it, like was it
just this elephant in the room of what had gone
on all those years prior?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I think the first year or two. Maybe it was
like a small baby elephant, because like I was saying,
like we were in so much shame and guilt, like
we didn't want to talk about this. We were just kids.
I do remember a time when I was about ten
years old and my older sister we were outside playing
with chalk, and my older sister goes, remember when our
(33:29):
family used to kill people? And I'm sitting there thinking like, yeah,
with shame. I didn't say anything in this particular incident,
but my younger sister looks up and goes, yeah, afterwards,
it was a lot of brainwashing and manipulating us into
that it never happened. And it worked pretty well on
(33:50):
my sister's and it worked well on me too, But
for me, I chose self destruction.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Was your mom's personality kind of aloof? And there was
something different about her or to all appearances. Was she
like this really charming, warm woman.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
You would never guess on the outside that she would
do these things. And I feel like one of her
manipulation tactics as she's gotten older, especially, is to exhibit
a persona which makes people confuse love for pity, if
that makes sense. It enables or helps people to trust
(34:27):
her more. Just her demeanor, the way she talks around.
She's very friendly to people. During my teenage years, after
the rituals, she put us in all these extracurricular activities
at volleyball. She was called Mama Razzi because she took
all the pictures she was like girl scout leader, like
just there for us.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
That's interesting, she was a girl Scout leader.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
How likely is it that she's that position to procure
some of these children.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I don't think that she used that position to get
the children. I think she for anything that she made
herself appear good, for example taking the pictures at volleyball,
or having us kids travel around for volleyball, or showing
that she's a good mom by putting us in these
extracurricular activities. I don't think she did that to get children.
(35:16):
I think she did that to make her persona look strong, reputable, kind,
and like a good mother.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Has your healing process been pretty up and down, like
you're doing well and then and then maybe you backslide
a little bit, or has it been Has it been
linear for you where it's just gotten better over time?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
As long as I prioritize my recovery, my faith God,
it is linear, But it doesn't feel like it now.
Are there times that I am not as close with God? Yes? Absolutely,
I don't think recovery is linear, but in a sense
I kind of feel like it does, because when someone
(35:56):
keeps trudging and going forward like they do get back,
but by all means, it does not feel linear, like
I will go through a week of feeling safe and free,
and then I'll go through a week of not and hardships.
Another thing that happens during my healing era are my
friends rotate a lot. So that's something that brings a
(36:18):
lot of grief, and then I do the footwork to
find more supportive friends. So there's a lot of ups
and downs emotionally. But I do feel like if I
prioritize my recovery and my faith, I am growing immediately.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Nobody has thought about you, who's just twenty four to
seven flooding the zone.
Speaker 9 (36:44):
Back to my thirteen year old owning this space every day,
getting a.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Convert and then I'm thinking about we're going to stand
back and watch you run circles around us.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
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Speaker 2 (37:39):
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Speaker 1 (37:41):
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(38:03):
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(38:23):
every single email, every single letter TPT at tpusa dot com.
Without that, without further ado in the well, just brief
time we have. I thought this clip was fascinating and
just a great depiction of how libs look at everything.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Can't something just be what it is? Watch this.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's a sketch, it's funny, it's insightful, and I don't know,
I think you'll enjoy.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
It, Ashley, why don't you come up here? Intel's about
your piece?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
So I drew my grandpa's house. I just love my
grandpa and I have so many great memories in this house,
so I decided to draw it. I'm fascinated by your
choice to pick your grandfather's house rather than your grandmother's.
What a subtle commentary on the patriarchal legacies within the
black family structure. It's a cartography of belonging, a map
of kinship networks that sustained black communicative.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Space around the house.
Speaker 10 (39:13):
It perfectly captures the isolation imposed by redlining and segregation.
It's urban planning, even coded oral tradition into visual form.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
This isn't just a house, It's an archive of lived experience,
even your perspective choice is political viewing the structure from
the side suggests a reverence for black elders as knowledge.
Speaker 10 (39:30):
Keepers the windows they simultaneously represent surveillance and visibility.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Wow, whoa, I've never seen a trap house before. Part
of the very end I thought was the funniest part.
You may not have caught it. Go back and rewatched it.
It'll be funny for you if you do catch it
and understand what it means. Jokingly, of course. But isn't
that Isn't that so indicative of how libs see everything?
The commentary on it, the caption on it, they didn't
(39:54):
see it, but the caption on the social media platforms
is it's just my grandpa's house. There's no common darry
on the racial divide, the buzzwords go wow, the subtle
nuances in the pedagogy of how black people were educated
in different ways. No, no, no, it's just my grandpa's house.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Not everything is.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
In your weird I don't know, intersectional whatever, it's just
my grandpa's house. I thought that was fascinating. We'll be
back same time tomorrow, same time, same place tomorrow. Thanks
so much for tuning in Charlie's gonna take us out.
See you tomorrow. God bless America.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
Today for hour two, I'm gonna play some of our
incredibly impactful conversation I had with Ben and Corley Spell.
They are not only the founders of Good Ranchers and
amazing company good Ranchers dot Com from Uncle Charlie, but
they also have an amazing story of God's faithfulness in
their times. I think you're gonna really enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Watch this.
Speaker 9 (40:58):
Okay, everybody here for a very special comment conversation to
friends mine I haven't seen for quite a while, Ben
and Correly Spell from good Ranchers dot Com. And we're
going to talk all about Good Ranchers this entire hour.
But first I want to say welcome backs to the program.
Speaker 11 (41:11):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for me here.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
So God has really been present throughout this entire company
and this journey. And if I understand correctly, Ben, you
heard from the Lord to start this company in the
first place, Is that right?
Speaker 5 (41:25):
That's right?
Speaker 11 (41:26):
Yeah, Yeah, we were. I was a worship pastor at
a large church in Houston and I started I started
getting this just this pull on my heart to do
something else. I love ministry. I love I love music,
and I loved working at the church. I did it
from the time I was nineteen into my mid thirties,
(41:47):
and I just I started feeling and I just started
thinking I wanted to do something else so I didn't
have to take a paycheck from the church.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
That's what what I thought. I was gonna Look.
Speaker 11 (41:58):
What I was looking for was make like a side hustle,
even though it wasn't a term a decade, very much
termed nowt But so I thought, well, what could I
do on the side to supplement my income and to
where I could maybe just volunteer for the church. Again,
not that it's wrong to get paid by church, it's
a real job. I have a lot of pastor's friends
and and stuff, and watching a lot of Shark Tank
(42:20):
and getting and getting different ideas and things, and started
having this idea of a meat company and started kind
of telling I remember the first time I told Courly man,
somebody should do this, this, this and this and and
and even though I was praying for those ideas and
praying for God to give me something else, the first
(42:41):
time it came, you know, clueless, man, I am. I
didn't even it didn't even register for a second that
that was something that we should do or something that
was was for me. And so I remember sitting at
dinner at Corey saying, you know what, I bet if
somebody were to do this, this, this, and this, they
could be they could be pretty sick stressful. And then
we just didn't think any much of it. And over
(43:03):
the course of about a year, every three or four months,
I would have these ideas of starting a meat company,
which I knew nothing about meat, nothing about agriculture. Wasn't
we had no money. And at the point where we
finally said you know where, we finally listened and went,
(43:25):
you know, and went and did it. We had just
had our first baby boy. And this was at the
end of twenty seventeen and I was getting ready. I
was it was a Sunday morning, I was getting ready
for church, and all of a sudden, I start having
these thoughts of this meat company. And I always say
(43:45):
that God told me to start a meat company, but
what the words I actually heard in my head were.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
You do it?
Speaker 11 (43:50):
And it struck me to my core and I'm not
I want to be the first one to say like
I'm not this, Like God goes around talking to me
type person. Yeah, yeah, that's you know what, parking spot
to get her kind of things like that. But I
say it with a lot of conviction because it wasn't
an audible Heavens open up, you know, the all girls
start a meat company. It was just you do it.
(44:12):
And it just struck me to my core. And so
I came out. I came out of the room and
I went over to Corley and I said, God just
told me to start a meat company again. We had
a three month old baby boy. I was expecting her
to look at me and say, what are you talking about.
We don't have any money, we don't know anything about meat,
(44:33):
we don't know anything about running the business. And instead
she looked back at me and she said, if you
heard God, then I trust her.
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Was that audible here or is it?
Speaker 5 (44:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It was no, like I said, it wasn't. It was
not audible.
Speaker 11 (44:45):
It was just it just was in my in my spirit,
loud and clear, you do it. And so she said,
if you heard God, then I trust you. So we
we did just that. We went out, I didn't know
anything about anything, started selling meat out of the back
of a truck and parking lot in Waco, Texas, and
(45:09):
the side hustle began, yeah, and went from one truck
to two trucks, to three trucks to four trucks. And
then that was in twenty eighteen, and we were really blessed.
We were really blessed right off the bat with people
showing up and stuff. And then I have a very
curious nature about myself, and so I if I'm going
(45:30):
to do something, I really want to study and learn
and learn everything. I'm very competitive, So if I want
to do it, I want to do it. I want
to do it right. So I started reading and studying
and reading and studying about you know, about agriculture and
about meat. And in twenty nineteen we realized that there's
no country of origin labeling law, which you know, we
talk about.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
It all the time.
Speaker 11 (45:51):
We're going to talk about that more, yeah, for beef
or for pork in the US. And we went, WHOA,
that's not that's not cool, and so and then lo
and behold. We we looked at all the stuff that
we were buying at that time, and almost all of
it was was was imported, even though it was USDA
inspected product of USA and those things and so going
(46:14):
into twenty twenty, we made some new connections of supply
supplier connections and drew a line in the sand and said,
you know, we're only going to source American born, raised,
and harvested meat, and which is actually harder than you
would think. And and so we went into twenty twenty
(46:35):
with setting out for that goal, still selling meat out
of the back of trucks. COVID happened that year, which
was really crazy. We've realized we got to get online,
which we were kind of you know, in the future,
that'll be that'll be there one day. But yeah, we.
Speaker 9 (46:53):
When you say you were selling meat, what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 11 (46:57):
What does that mean?
Speaker 9 (46:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (46:58):
I know it was by like just prepackaged boxed beef
from from like a broker. There's people that still do this.
Once COVID happened, people started coming out of the woodworks
doing that sort sort of business model. It's kind of
existed for a long time in small towns, and so
(47:21):
we used that model to build the brand and and grow.
And that was the idea I originally had. I saw
people doing that, I thought, man, I bet you could
actually because by and large, almost everyone I don't want
to say everyone, but almost everyone doing that model is
selling really really really poor quality and and just lying
(47:42):
about it because you know they can. It's kind of
fly by night shady kind of deal. So we set out,
let's do that, but build a brand around it. Let's
sell quality, let's source quality. The thing is, we didn't
know how to do that originally.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
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