June 3, 2025 • 39 mins
Aubrey shares her thoughts after what she calls another day of damning testimony in the Diddy trial. But was the music mogul always a ‘monster?’ Or did Diddy lose the plot along the way? Aubrey confronts her own complex feelings about the defendant in her most raw reveal to date. Plus, what Aubrey considers the most telling piece of information that proves his guilt, and who she says would seal his fate if they were to take the stand for the prosecution.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey o Day Covering the Diddy Trial.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome everyone to the Amy Roebuck and TJ.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Holmes Present Aubrey O'Day Covering the Diddy Trial podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
And we are now in the first or the full
fourth week of this trial, and every day it's something horrific, horrific,
jaw dropping, combetive.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Go ahead, Aurey, Why is horrific your word? After the
last day and a half, I guess we've seen of
testimony why horrific?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
So I just think Mia was such a game changer
because she established a pattern of sexual abuse that wasn't
the way in which it's been spoken about pretty consistently
so far, which are these freak offs. There were just
alleged rapes occurring while she was packing a bag, when she.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Was asked, not asked, basically.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Forced for her job's sake, to live in his home
and not have locks on her doors, etc. There was
just all of this established behavior that is a bit
new for us to hear. So we're learning now a
broader scheme. We're also seeing somebody that was just an employee.
She didn't want to be his girlfriend, she didn't want
to be in lovers with him, and now you're starting
(01:24):
to get to hear from more of the enterprise.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Basically, that's right and right now as we're recording this,
on the stand is Derek Ferguson, who had a lot
of different titles throughout Diddy's enterprise, but executive titles including
chief financial Officer. And you worked adjacent to him, around him,
You saw him around the building or at least around
(01:50):
the areas where you guys worked.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Let me be clear, Amy, if he was in charge
of finance, which we know he was, I would likely
not know him because I didn't see a dollar.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I say, you right up for that.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Yeah I know, but I'm bomb. You did it, you
killed it.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Listen hear he was also leading up all of the
fashion brands, He did the film stuff. He was overseeing
his portfolio basically so doing the day to day operations.
But yeah, on the money side, none of the artists
probably would ever know him. He might be the least
known person to any of us over at Bad Boy
because the money was never coming to us, the artists.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But what are we talking about, potentially, how damaging could
it be? This is a guy who knows about all
the money all.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
The money and where the payments were going.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
You know, like Cassie established in the beginning, she was
an artist that was signed to release ten albums. There
is a paycheck that goes alongside that, and they recoup
things obviously, but you get consistent paychecks.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
She made it very.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Clear early on her full time job became doing these
sex parties, in these freak offs and recovering, so she
was still getting paid as a bad Boy employee. Though
as we saw these things going on while Dannity Kane
was still there, I remember there were a lot of
feelings of why do we have a platinum album? At
this point we had one, this was before our second one,
(03:15):
and we would sit there and kind of see a
lot of very luxurious things happening and wondering, why are
we the ones that have the platinum albums and we're
still sitting on the floor wearing Forever twenty one, writing
songs like mad Women, and weren't carrying the bags that
Cassie had or arriving in the cars that Cassie was in.
I mean, it was like almost this unfair feeling, but
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she was so sweet to us. It wasn't necessarily toward
her but there was always questions of like, it was
very it was always we were always very curious as
to where the money is going and where we're seeing
it going versus who's actually earning it and keeping the
whole place afloat. But also in regards to Derek, he
will probably get into the whole financial structure. I'm sure
(03:59):
he was paid allegedly many people off. There's a lot
of DNA's going on. I'm sorry, there's a lot of NDAs. Go,
haven't had my coffee yet, guys.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
No, you were right about the DNA.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
There's a lot of DNA.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
There's about left behind in hotel rooms and blood and
urine and yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's all over.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
It's all over.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You get that one light and turn off to go
to the dark Lord Jesus. But no, there's there's a
lot of NDA talk going on on the stand and
in general. I was even given an NDA when I left,
and it said certain things that I could never do
if I wanted to be let out of my contract.
(04:40):
I think he's going to be able to understand a
lot of the contracts.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
The money, the movement.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
And then also he was given a lead position over
at Revolts, so He also is likely going to be
able to talk about Mia and what he experienced working
with her and what he potentially heard, saw, or knows
to be true in regards to any of her testimony.
Brian's last cross, he started off his cross with me.
(05:08):
I thought, he you know, we're really talking one of
the best defense criminal lawyers. You could probably have, definitely
incredible on cross. His cross was like one of the
worst crosses I've seen in this test and this trial
so far, and this one this morning was a bit better. However,
(05:33):
if you don't have anything to go on, you don't
have any other choice than to victim shame.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Basically, you have one direction.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
If you had any real material to discredit her, they
would have used it. She was a strong witness, She
was credible, and she was consistent, and so he had
to be strong with her. Unfortunately, I mean the strong
was strong. He asked her direct questions. The questions I
took note of them because they were like so so strong.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, the prosecution went as far as to say that
they were.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Were harassing.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
He said, are you making it all up to me?
That's going way too far. That means you don't have
much for this girl.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
You have.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Your smoke is very little because are you making it
all up?
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Is he? It's noise.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
It's noise for the jury to get lost in. He
also straight up asked her numerous times if she was
on the me too money train, a bit tone deaf.
I hope that he just carries that type of ideology
and language in the courtroom and doesn't take it home
to his family because that's a bit much.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
But basically just a lot of noise.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And at the at the redirect, they were clear, are
you making any money? Are you going after him with
the lawsuit? Are you trying to get money from this man?
The answer was no. So at the end of the day,
I think they kept her on the stand too long,
and I think that the defense should have wanted her
to get off immediately.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
To that point, Yeah, they said they ran over with
this witness, so where they had to change the order
of upcoming witnesses because they went over on this one.
I want to go back. We're going to to the
one who testified after Mia. So I'm getting everybody caught
up to most current times. So we're sitting there on
Tuesday as we record this, and the first witness up
(07:27):
today before the first witness even got up. This morning,
we had a disturbance. You read about this more than
I did, but somebody had to be taken out of court.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Whoever that was.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They just said a man who used it on his
YouTube channel has been banned from the courtroom. So that happened,
and then there was an outburst in court. A woman
jumping up in supportive Diddy started shouting, you know what,
they're lying about you, They're saying things about you.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
She said she wanted him to hear that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
There were supporters in the room who were behind him
and frustrated at what they were hearing in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But she was move from court and taken out until
she could not return as well.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So two big moments even before the jury was seated
this morning.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So God, the only thing I compared to is the
amber heard and to where everybody publicly was kind of
taking size and its got really intense on social media
to hear about this outburst in court. What are you noticing?
I know you keep your your finger kind of on
the heartbeat of what's going on online, but what what
are you seeing in terms of that? Does that type
(08:27):
of outburst surprise you?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I mean outside the core room, it's a shit show.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I mean there's literally people out there wearing bras saying
I want to be in a free cough Like it's
getting really hectic outside. That is going to show, you
know what we've been discussing this entire time, this like
iconic status, this mass appeal, and then there really is
this strong understanding in our society that if a woman
(08:55):
at all, ever, like in the case of Mia, if
they ever just said I love you or happy birthday,
or observed them in any type of positive way, even
after their abuse, that they're just liars and everybody's going
for a me too money grab. And it's just not
the way the psychology works. It's not the way coercion works,
(09:18):
it's not the way influence and control work. It's just
a very hard thing to get people to sit down
and read psychology books. If we were doing that, I
think we'd be in a much different place politically right now,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's easy to brainwash
people into believing things.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, and Aubrey, I'm We're curious what you the listener
is thinking as you're hearing about what's going on in
the court room because so many people do have strong opinions,
whether you were believing these witnesses, if you're supporting Diddy,
if you're wanting to see him go down. We actually
created a hotline and so we want to let you
all know now where you can call us. You can
(09:56):
send us your comments, your questions, anything you'd like is
to even discuss or talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
All the tea.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
We want all the smoke, all the smoke and all
the tea call in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So the numbers hopefully pretty easy. It's eight four to
four four ask us Q. Right, that's cute.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But here are the numbers eight four four four to
seven five eight seven seven, And we'll do it again
at the end of the podcast in case you didn't
have time to write it down. But we would absolutely
love to hear from you because you're seeing all of
the interest in all of the vocalizations or presentations that
are happening outside the court room and even inside the
(10:36):
court room. So I'm sure so many of you also
would like to weigh in as well.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And we love to hear and Aubrey Eddie Garcia on
the stand, the security guard from the hotel. Yeah, that's
the five that Diddy brought in one hundred grand in
a paper bag to give him and another security guard
to be quiet and to give him that video of
him beating Cassie. Is that in line? Did you ever
see things like that? Or is that something or I
(11:00):
guess just in line with what you knew about? Did
he for a rhyme?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It was always very common for people to come in
and clean up after his messes.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
What's interesting in that piece of testimony because we know
about the video. We've watched it fifteen times. They slowed
it down, rewind it, chopped and screwed and swerved it.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
We know what the video is.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
What's interesting in his testimony that stood out was we
heard that KK name again. KK came and gave him
a visit. KK told him, Hey, he was really out
of it. He was like super drunk. I forgot exactly
the words that she used. Intoxicated were the words that
she used, and that he didn't recall it. But what
(11:41):
I thought was interesting when he said that is hmm.
When the video first came out, he said, my behavior
was disgusting. I went back and watched it to see
if there was any type of recalling in his little
statement that he made, and then I started looking through
the transcripts and realized they came forward in their answer
to that video originally was Cassie stole his phone. It
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wasn't about a freak off. There was no sexual situation.
He was pissed because she took off with his property.
He shouldn't have behaved that way, but she stole something
of his that was suggested and thrown out there as
something that could maybe stick.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Well, if you recall that she took your cell phone.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Then certainly you have to be able to recall everything else.
And so what KK then said to to what Eddie
Garcia testified to would then be have been allegedly not true.
And if he was intoxicated and didn't remember any of it,
then I don't think KK would have been sent over
(12:41):
to make sure that everything was handled with the video
because he wouldn't have remembered it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, and his name was saved in her phone as
Eddie my angel, I believe, but I thought some of
the details that Garcia testified to were so fascinating.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Kyk's getting on this stand, y'all. I keep saying it.
She abouts to come on this stand.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well and just so our listeners, No, KK is Christina
Korum Asara Korum, how you pronounce your last name? And
she was Ditty's chief of staff.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
She's known in the industry to be the person that
you go to if you need to get to Ditty period.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I thought, just in terms of what the case the
state is trying to build against Diddy, Garcia said that
he after like while they were working this out, while
he was giving him this money, he had him text
photos to Ditty of his driver's license as well as
ideas for his boss and the other security officer who
got paid, so that they all could be quote unquote
(13:45):
on the same page, meaning I know who you are,
I know where you live, and if any of your
video gets out, I know where to come find you.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And if you read a lot of the emotions that
came in early on in this trial, there was much
of that behavior. They were trying to get a lot
of things taken out on the prosecution side because allegedly,
in front of a lot of these freak offs, did
he would make a statement, everyone here is happy to
be willing to be here right. There were alleged comments
being made that there were communications that were told to
(14:14):
be sent to people after these events occurred, saying, had
a great night, so glad we all did that consensually.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
There was a lot of cleanups.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
There was a lot of making sure everyone is on
the same page, allegedly, and there are a lot of things.
What I think is just insane is the man that
I knew when I worked there was just so the
behavior was so erratic. It was giving allegedly a bipolar
type of feeling. It was bouncing around chaotics so much
(14:45):
like one minute is somber, the next one is we're
going to Bali.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
It was just like every which way and for somebody
that was moving that quickly, he sure did pay a
lot of attention to make sure to have everyone else
calling the escorts, choosing the escorts, showing him the photos,
getting what he wanted, selecting but them calling, handing them
(15:09):
the money, but them paying. Raving people say afterwards, I
had a good time. That's all coercion, that's all forced,
that is all somebody And so to me, what's super
damning about all this that everyone's missing in all of
the noise and distraction. He's been very aware, in my opinion,
allegedly that this behavior is illegal, because he's been passing
(15:34):
it off to other people to handle for a very
long while. Now, you don't do that when you know
what you're doing is legal. I don't question what I
do when I do it if I've ever in my
life sent anyone in to deal with it. On our end,
I mean, we don't do things like criminally, but on
our end, if you don't want a network to hate you,
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you'll have your manager or agent go and say what
needs to be said, and you'll cuss in yelly, agent
and manager like how dare they talk and treat me
like this? You know? That's the type of thing, though,
is we know not to go to the network and
directly get at them because at the end of the day,
that will directly affect our jobs.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And our careers.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
So he just there was such an awareness for such
a long period of time that he needed to hand
over all.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Of the burden to other people to clean up.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Albert, who's his first call if he needs an n
d A. It looks like almost they were ready on standby.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
They have different folders allegedly probably for the different types
of things.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, but for Diddy if he's in trouble, and he
needs an NDA, right, Like, how what is that process?
He emails this person and then a lawyer is involved.
How would that possibly even work?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I mean, in my setting, it was You're out and
I'm in a three sixty situation, and I can do
anything from television to movies, to writing a book, to
an interview to anything. Three sixty means no, never work
in the industry again. We own you Those deals is
a whole nother podcast that needs to be discussed and
(17:15):
dismantled industry wise. But the NDAs basically silence you, and
there's a lot of money at the entail of them
if you happen to slip up.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I believe, allegedly that's why we.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Didn't necessarily necessarily hear everything I was hoping Capricorn would say,
because if you don't break it and there's a payment,
you likely could still receive the payment if you don't
break it. Now, obviously, on a federal stand you can
break anything you want to break because there's no rules
there and you can say whatever you need to say.
But it could have been just smart maneuvering because she
(17:49):
deserves it.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
She went through hell. I don't know, that's all.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Alike lawyers at his beckon call that also could potentially
be testifying here just who was made making these deals
for him, because whoever was making these deals, obviously one
could assume new about.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Why it's a nasty job.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I couldn't do it, and so it makes any question
the integrity of somebody that could talk.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
A little bit about more about who we're going to
see on this stand. And Derek obviously is on right
now the CFO. And by the way, we should mention
kind of to what you were saying he told the
jury he's testifying under a subpoena. We know that Eddie
Garcia was given immunity for him. So anyone who's testifying
right now isn't there because they want to, and some
(18:36):
of them concerned that if they didn't get that immunity,
they'd be indemnifying themselves as well, or at least making
themselves legally in jeopardy. So these are people who wouldn't
have testified otherwise. Right.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
We have to remember that, like people can look at
immunity and think, oh, they just wanted to get off
and they had something on them. Those things are technically true,
but also when you're asked King to establish something like RICO,
an organization of people that are helping commit crimes for somebody.
Everybody's committing crimes, and so somebody's got to be able
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to get some type of immunity in order to be
able to end the enterprise from existing and continuing on
doing what they're doing. So you are going to see
people that have been a part of business practices that
are you know, a criminal potentially, or that can provide
(19:31):
some type of trail to basically just give info on
the internal business practices as he witnessed them to be.
He obviously is going to say something damning or he
wouldn't have been on the prosecution's list.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
To wrap up here on Mia, who finished her cross
examination yesterday, and again the defense went after her pretty tough,
how effective, and again I know you have your opinions
about how they did it, but they only need one
person on that jury to go wait a second, So
they really went after her credibility. And it's tough for
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us on the inside on the outside who've never gone
through or had somebody go through being abused and what
that does to you psychologically, But for a lot of
folks to see that years after this rape and abuse happened.
She's writing messages I love you so much, I'll always
be here for you. I love you with all my heart.
I'm here for you forever. All of those things do
you think still was it effective? Even if it was
(20:30):
a little icky how he went.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
After same thing we could say about Cassie. I mean,
these are just the patterns of the people that he abused.
And like I said the first day, you know, when
I read them, I immediately was like I had like
a visceral response. And then I thought to myself, I've
told Diddy I loved him, and he was abusive toward me,
and there were things that were going on that weren't okay.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I don't know to what extent yet, but.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I could see I have loved my abuser in life,
even after they abused me. It's very possible. And also
when you can go back to somebody who if you
were in that abuse and it took you into a
state of shock, sometimes being able to revisit it and
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in a way where everything is okay now can provide
a bit of like comfort and it can bring back
the normalcy that you felt with that person. I mean,
not everybody is out here trying to get in everybody's
pockets and manipulate and lie. If this were just isolated events,
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then maybe we'd have to dig into them further and
really dissect someone's character with multiple people, you know, or
a really great cross examination that does something else. But say,
didn't you just want to rack out on me too?
Aren't you just lying about everything? I mean, guys, do
you have anything that you actually can say that's credible
(22:01):
that's gonna make me think twice? These text messages are
as the pattern of everybody Capricorn, Cassie, even the first
guy that came forward and was saying, you know, I
still write him Happy Birthday on his birthdays, but I
had to quit because the beating was too crazy for
me to observe. You still feel like how I can
still feel sympathy for him and.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
God through this past two years.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I've had days where I was like, this is so
unfair to Ditty And I can't even believe I'm saying
that now, especially after all the testimony.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
But I had days where I felt that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Wait still during the trial.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
You've had those days, not during the trial. I've been
doing it for two years prior to this trial. In
those times when I didn't see it all laid out
like this, there were days where I was like, man,
he's getting piled up on. And I feel some kind
of way about a black man being piled up on
in this society.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I really do.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And maybe it's because I was raised and very like
pivotal years of my life in that environment with those guys,
But there was a part of me that just felt like,
this really needs to be fair, and it doesn't need
to be about anything other than the criminal behavior and
whether it's true or not and can be proven.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Aubrey, I'm curious because obviously Mia now has wrapped up and.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
We saw and learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Another highly anticipated witness who is we believe will be
taking the stand this week, maybe even as early as Wednesday,
is another victim who are alleged victim of Ditty's who
is going by the moniker Jane for Jane Doe, but
you know who Jane is.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Potentially, Basically, everything is just coroborate. Everything is showing force,
everything is showing intimidation, everything is showing coercion, everything is
reinforcing everything.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Every single time.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Someone gets up there, whether they were a male worker,
a female worker and employee, a lover. It's all just
going back to the same types of behavior.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I mean, we're well.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Past the threshold for all five charges period in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But you did say that.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I know we talked about Mia, but you did work
alongside the real Mia.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Mia came in in a tiny bit of a crossover window,
but she's been very present in the industry in multiple
different positions, and so yes, there was crossover with Mia there.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'll ree.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I'm curious because you described the testimony and I think
most people would agree as horrific, and yet it's so
interesting to hear you say before the trial you had
periods of sympathy for him. You felt like maybe people
were piling on or jumping onto the bandwagon. But now
that you've heard some of this incredible testimony, are you
(25:05):
even shocked? Even given what you We started out speaking
to you, and you have had your experiences, you're doing
your exploration and your investigation, but even someone who was
around him for as much as you were and thought
you knew the good and the bad and the ugly,
what has been your level of shock at least, or
(25:26):
what's been your reaction to what you're hearing versus what
you thought you were going to hear.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You No, I have the same type of feeling that
everyone on the stand continues to say, which is there
is this good side of him, There is a side that.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You can love.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That side is so palpable that people will still write
him after their abuse with loving messages or thoughts or feelings.
It doesn't mean that everything that's going on isn't very criminal.
It just means that this is very complex and layered,
(26:05):
and to suggest that there is nothing good about this
person is a very bold thing to suggest. And that's
kind of what eighty civil suits were giving.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
On top, top on top on top.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Of each other for years, a year and a half
or so, and then you know, as it's starting to
be put together, there are days that I drive home
and call people that also were around during that time,
not my band members, but people in the industry, and
we just like sit in silence, pull up to wherever
(26:39):
we're going, and say, who the fuck were we working for?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Who is he? What were we in? How were we
put with this person?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Like?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Why how could this have gone so unchucke by so
many very high level corporate people. They gave him branding
deals and TV shows and platforms to take young impressionable
artists and.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Have them be exploited.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
In ways that are just so degrading and humiliating that.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I just it's just being discussed in so many circles
as just being so known to people. Should Knight has
said it a few times. Everybody knew what puff was on.
Everybody knew this was going on. Even I said, everyone
knew there was behaviors, like everybody knew the sex parties.
Everybody knows I know all kinds of little tea that
I could drop it, legally, I wouldn't because it turns
(27:46):
you into a gossip versus somebody that's reporting on actual
events that are occurring to in this trial. And I'm
not interested in being Wendy Williams, even though I do
love her. But for me, I'm just trying. I was
trying to find if there was a soul in there somewhere,
if there's something redeemable, even if he serves all the
(28:09):
time that he should, because I believe that they've hit
the threshold on all five charges, will he be able
to find himself.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
If he is charged?
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Like I don't know It's almost like somebody that really
locked into your soul. You kind of always still think
about them. My entire life was changed because I met
this person, for better or worse, the way that he
was able to psychologically get inside my head and the
way he groomed me at too young of an age
to throw those boundaries down and say no, it had
(28:46):
to have affected everyone I've dated, the way I positioned
myself to them, the way I saw myself as a woman,
the way that I thought my value was as a woman,
and so on and so forth. I mean, it's just very, very,
very complex, and the abuse is just too horrific, and
the system that's propping it up is just too knowledgeable
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of so much of this.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Aubrey, would you say when you first met him and
started working with him, he was the guy that's being
described in court or he was still years away from
developing into what is being described as a monster.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I think he lost the plot. I think he had
some of the plot when I was still there. But
you know, it's so hard because technology really changed the game.
You know, like you can't just do all your stuff
anymore without their being I mean, if someone dies, you
have eighty cameras going up before people call nine to
one one. Everybody is documenting, and everybody is selling the
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documents of everything.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
It's a very very like.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Movable part of our culture ingrained in US now back
then in the nineties, I mean, saw freaknik on you
on Hulu and we're like, huh what what who? We're like,
you know, every different different cultures had different reactions, But
that was really shocking for people back then.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
That was just what it was.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
There's just I've been through this evolution of this is
just what it is over this way and all the
way to know this should never be where it is
in any way. And certainly if this is just a
lavish lifestyle, everybody that's allowing the money to continue rolling
in for this lavish lifestyle, that are attending the events
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of this lavish lifestyle have got to come inside their
homes at night and question would I want my daughter
doing this?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Would I want my daughter dating this, being involved in this?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Like I guess when it's not happening to yours and
your own maybe you just don't do the oversights properly.
But this is a very big, very very big problem,
and a lot of very big people I would like
to see accountability on so many levels.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I think that's been one of the most shotting things,
at least to me, is to see how many people knew,
how many people knew, and how many people facilitated, and
how many people allowed it to continue.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's been mind blowing to me.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's facilitated and allowed to continue. And I on the
higher levels on down to the people that were wrangling
for him. We've talked to people where we've heard stories
of that being alleged. You know what I'm saying. I
want to see all of that. I think people that
were in the know, I don't know. I knew things
and I tried telling people and no one was listening,
and I got to see the results of it. Maybe
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other people didn't want to see those results. The results
aren't pretty. They're humiliating and embarrassing, and you don't really
get to become what you wanted to become or could
have become in life anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Where did you leaning? I think I've asked you this
a couple of times in the past couple of weeks.
Everybody here we are, fourth full week of testimony. Where
are you leaning? How do you think the trial is
going for the prosecution and for the defense.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I just I think that they've proved.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
I mean, I was speaking with an attorney the other
day about the thresholds on all five charges.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
We've just seen them.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I asked if everything's been met, and in their opinion
as an attorney, they said yes on all five.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I feel the same.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but I'm yes on all
five here and now today. If they brought on a
bodyguard in KK, I probably just would go to sleep
for the defense because it's under the jail rap type
of a situation. If a bodyguard in KK go up there,
if any of the bodyguard, if any of the bodyguards
that I may be allegedly know that maybe have allegedly
(32:46):
committed any federal crimes with him, if they were to
have been given immunity allegedly and they take the stand
and they alleged to things that they did, that would
be damning. So and the attorney I spoke to his opinion,
Emily Simpson, she felt like she would love to see
a bodyguard and uh an executive from the system which
(33:10):
Harf Pierre's name has been thrown around a lot in
that courtroom and in civil suits and that was my boss,
all right.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So it sounds like obviously there's going to be several
people testifying this week. But if we see Jane, if
we see Christina Korum or KKs, you like to call her?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Oh girl, I don't like to call her anything. I
don't call her and I don't like to call her.
That is just what they call her. And I'm going
with the days on that one. I don't have her
in my phone, nor do I ever want.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
But if you did have her, what would you her name?
She would be saved as.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
What I was wondering what your name would have been
saved as in her phone?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Since Eddie was Eddie my angel.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
My problem Eddie my Angel was how puff had him saved?
Who had him saved?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
My hellh yeah, that's how KK had its spelled right
in the phone of sean COM's chief of staff, KK
misspelled is Eddie my Angel?
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, Eddie my Angel? Interesting? Interesting, you know, it's funny.
In my phone, I would get people reaching out to
me when all of this first started, and you know,
some numbers, I don't know a lot of them.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I did.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
And then, shockingly, and it's been so many years that
I didn't even know that I had people in my
phone still stored in this but there was Puff's Girl one,
Puff's Girl, purple shoes, puff Girls missing a diamond inner bracelet,
puff Girl three. There I went to and then when
it came up, I was like, oh, this girl is
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my profile and she's this and that and just saying
Puff's Girl. And I guess at the time I was
just saving anyone that was around that puff would maybe
need to pass on to talk to somebody off something's
going on or whatever. However whatever alleged I thought. I
knew at the time that's how I was saving people.
And I tend to save people that I'm not going
(35:06):
to be close with but that I'm needing to have
a moment with to move on from like that so
I can get out of it. And there was a
lot of Puff's Girls in my phone. It was it
was pretty hectach.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Last thing for me over here is just have you
have you heard from people, and maybe not even people
you work with, but unexpectedly since this trial has been
going on, reaching out to maybe ask you something or
tell you something. Just give it if you if you
don't want to get into specifics, which we encourage you
to do so, but just in an idea, I'm just
(35:39):
curious how maybe folks might be coming out of the woodworks.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Uh yeah, everybody.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
There's been people that have hit me up that want
to come talk on the show that are victims allegedly.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
There are people that we're.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Only around during family times that have a hard time
even seeing him like this. There are people that only
saw him like this. There are days where I just
get like, this guy's the fucking devil, and and those
are like, those are feelings that come that happen for people.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I mean, I don't want to discredit any of it.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I just want to make sure that we're always going
back to the evidence and that we're always that I
personally am always taking my biases out and making sure
that like, if Brian Steele had killed this cross, I
would be good. I would be telling you, I really would.
(36:40):
I'm impressed with him as a lawyer. He's a big deal.
I just really wish I heard a lot of big
deal shit coming out of his mouth instead of like,
weren't you just on the me too train?
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Aren't you just lying about everything? That's just noise.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
It's noise that everybody that anybody that's been around llwy
or has studied the law and knows that that's utilized,
and he's he was effective. I think everybody can probably
say he was. She got the hardest cross.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh yes, he was.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
He was brutal, and and that brutality was because she
was such a good, strong, consistent witness. When they're good
and strong, you have to be good and strong. I
think though it's not going to work in his favor.
I think it's victim shaming. It's going to come off
as allegedly. I think it's going to come off as
victim shaming to the jury. And I think that it
(37:31):
it in my backfire. It's just my backfire. But I
have people watching the jury. There's one person that is
a little concerning for.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Me, uh who.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't know if we should get into this right
now or later on, or when if it should be
an episode or what.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The next episode.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I've had people watching the jury from the very beginning,
because in my opinion, the most important day that this
trial had was when they chose the jury.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Okay, all right, so we will absolutely get into jury watching.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, facial expression, etc. In the next podcast.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
But Allfrey as always, just we so appreciate your perspective
and your insight and what you can tell us about
these some of these folks who are coming up and
taking the stand.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And what it means to the trial.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
And uh and again for anyone listening, we want to
throw out that hotline for you again. If you have
a comment, a question, something you'd like us to talk about,
you can get in contact with us if you reach
out on this number eight four to four or ask
us Q or eight four four four two seven five.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Eight seven seven. We can't wait to hear from you.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And if anyone wants to ask me Amy or TJ
about any fake headlines that we could clear up for you,
go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
I dare you. We got smoke for you too.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Oh, I got to start with the smoke. Don't bring
us into your little smoke fights on.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
The screen guards. I'll take all the smoke foreveryudy.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I got it, Thank you, please, all right, folks, We
appreciate you all listening. As always, continue to keep an
eye on this fee. We will continue to update as
this trial goes on. Thanks so much for listening.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
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Amy and TJ presents Aubrey o Day Covering the Diddy Trial.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome everyone to the Amy Roebuck and TJ.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Holmes Present Aubrey O'Day Covering the Diddy Trial podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
And we are now in the first or the full
fourth week of this trial, and every day it's something horrific, horrific,
jaw dropping, combetive.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Go ahead, Aurey, Why is horrific your word? After the
last day and a half, I guess we've seen of
testimony why horrific?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
So I just think Mia was such a game changer
because she established a pattern of sexual abuse that wasn't
the way in which it's been spoken about pretty consistently
so far, which are these freak offs. There were just
alleged rapes occurring while she was packing a bag, when she.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Was asked, not asked, basically.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Forced for her job's sake, to live in his home
and not have locks on her doors, etc. There was
just all of this established behavior that is a bit
new for us to hear. So we're learning now a
broader scheme. We're also seeing somebody that was just an employee.
She didn't want to be his girlfriend, she didn't want
to be in lovers with him, and now you're starting
(01:24):
to get to hear from more of the enterprise.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Basically, that's right and right now as we're recording this,
on the stand is Derek Ferguson, who had a lot
of different titles throughout Diddy's enterprise, but executive titles including
chief financial Officer. And you worked adjacent to him, around him,
You saw him around the building or at least around
(01:50):
the areas where you guys worked.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Let me be clear, Amy, if he was in charge
of finance, which we know he was, I would likely
not know him because I didn't see a dollar.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I say, you right up for that.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Yeah I know, but I'm bomb. You did it, you
killed it.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Listen hear he was also leading up all of the
fashion brands, He did the film stuff. He was overseeing
his portfolio basically so doing the day to day operations.
But yeah, on the money side, none of the artists
probably would ever know him. He might be the least
known person to any of us over at Bad Boy
because the money was never coming to us, the artists.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But what are we talking about, potentially, how damaging could
it be? This is a guy who knows about all
the money all.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
The money and where the payments were going.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
You know, like Cassie established in the beginning, she was
an artist that was signed to release ten albums. There
is a paycheck that goes alongside that, and they recoup
things obviously, but you get consistent paychecks.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
She made it very.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Clear early on her full time job became doing these
sex parties, in these freak offs and recovering, so she
was still getting paid as a bad Boy employee. Though
as we saw these things going on while Dannity Kane
was still there, I remember there were a lot of
feelings of why do we have a platinum album? At
this point we had one, this was before our second one,
(03:15):
and we would sit there and kind of see a
lot of very luxurious things happening and wondering, why are
we the ones that have the platinum albums and we're
still sitting on the floor wearing Forever twenty one, writing
songs like mad Women, and weren't carrying the bags that
Cassie had or arriving in the cars that Cassie was in.
I mean, it was like almost this unfair feeling, but
(03:37):
she was so sweet to us. It wasn't necessarily toward
her but there was always questions of like, it was
very it was always we were always very curious as
to where the money is going and where we're seeing
it going versus who's actually earning it and keeping the
whole place afloat. But also in regards to Derek, he
will probably get into the whole financial structure. I'm sure
(03:59):
he was paid allegedly many people off. There's a lot
of DNA's going on. I'm sorry, there's a lot of NDAs. Go,
haven't had my coffee yet, guys.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
No, you were right about the DNA.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
There's a lot of DNA.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
There's about left behind in hotel rooms and blood and
urine and yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's all over.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
It's all over.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You get that one light and turn off to go
to the dark Lord Jesus. But no, there's there's a
lot of NDA talk going on on the stand and
in general. I was even given an NDA when I left,
and it said certain things that I could never do
if I wanted to be let out of my contract.
(04:40):
I think he's going to be able to understand a
lot of the contracts.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
The money, the movement.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
And then also he was given a lead position over
at Revolts, so He also is likely going to be
able to talk about Mia and what he experienced working
with her and what he potentially heard, saw, or knows
to be true in regards to any of her testimony.
Brian's last cross, he started off his cross with me.
(05:08):
I thought, he you know, we're really talking one of
the best defense criminal lawyers. You could probably have, definitely
incredible on cross. His cross was like one of the
worst crosses I've seen in this test and this trial
so far, and this one this morning was a bit better. However,
(05:33):
if you don't have anything to go on, you don't
have any other choice than to victim shame.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Basically, you have one direction.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
If you had any real material to discredit her, they
would have used it. She was a strong witness, She
was credible, and she was consistent, and so he had
to be strong with her. Unfortunately, I mean the strong
was strong. He asked her direct questions. The questions I
took note of them because they were like so so strong.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, the prosecution went as far as to say that
they were.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Were harassing.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
He said, are you making it all up to me?
That's going way too far. That means you don't have
much for this girl.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
You have.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Your smoke is very little because are you making it
all up?
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Is he? It's noise.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
It's noise for the jury to get lost in. He
also straight up asked her numerous times if she was
on the me too money train, a bit tone deaf.
I hope that he just carries that type of ideology
and language in the courtroom and doesn't take it home
to his family because that's a bit much.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
But basically just a lot of noise.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And at the at the redirect, they were clear, are
you making any money? Are you going after him with
the lawsuit? Are you trying to get money from this man?
The answer was no. So at the end of the day,
I think they kept her on the stand too long,
and I think that the defense should have wanted her
to get off immediately.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
To that point, Yeah, they said they ran over with
this witness, so where they had to change the order
of upcoming witnesses because they went over on this one.
I want to go back. We're going to to the
one who testified after Mia. So I'm getting everybody caught
up to most current times. So we're sitting there on
Tuesday as we record this, and the first witness up
(07:27):
today before the first witness even got up. This morning,
we had a disturbance. You read about this more than
I did, but somebody had to be taken out of court.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Whoever that was.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They just said a man who used it on his
YouTube channel has been banned from the courtroom. So that happened,
and then there was an outburst in court. A woman
jumping up in supportive Diddy started shouting, you know what,
they're lying about you, They're saying things about you.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
She said she wanted him to hear that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
There were supporters in the room who were behind him
and frustrated at what they were hearing in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But she was move from court and taken out until
she could not return as well.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So two big moments even before the jury was seated
this morning.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So God, the only thing I compared to is the
amber heard and to where everybody publicly was kind of
taking size and its got really intense on social media
to hear about this outburst in court. What are you noticing?
I know you keep your your finger kind of on
the heartbeat of what's going on online, but what what
are you seeing in terms of that? Does that type
(08:27):
of outburst surprise you?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I mean outside the core room, it's a shit show.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I mean there's literally people out there wearing bras saying
I want to be in a free cough Like it's
getting really hectic outside. That is going to show, you
know what we've been discussing this entire time, this like
iconic status, this mass appeal, and then there really is
this strong understanding in our society that if a woman
(08:55):
at all, ever, like in the case of Mia, if
they ever just said I love you or happy birthday,
or observed them in any type of positive way, even
after their abuse, that they're just liars and everybody's going
for a me too money grab. And it's just not
the way the psychology works. It's not the way coercion works,
(09:18):
it's not the way influence and control work. It's just
a very hard thing to get people to sit down
and read psychology books. If we were doing that, I
think we'd be in a much different place politically right now,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's easy to brainwash
people into believing things.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, and Aubrey, I'm We're curious what you the listener
is thinking as you're hearing about what's going on in
the court room because so many people do have strong opinions,
whether you were believing these witnesses, if you're supporting Diddy,
if you're wanting to see him go down. We actually
created a hotline and so we want to let you
all know now where you can call us. You can
(09:56):
send us your comments, your questions, anything you'd like is
to even discuss or talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
All the tea.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
We want all the smoke, all the smoke and all
the tea call in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So the numbers hopefully pretty easy. It's eight four to
four four ask us Q. Right, that's cute.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But here are the numbers eight four four four to
seven five eight seven seven, And we'll do it again
at the end of the podcast in case you didn't
have time to write it down. But we would absolutely
love to hear from you because you're seeing all of
the interest in all of the vocalizations or presentations that
are happening outside the court room and even inside the
(10:36):
court room. So I'm sure so many of you also
would like to weigh in as well.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And we love to hear and Aubrey Eddie Garcia on
the stand, the security guard from the hotel. Yeah, that's
the five that Diddy brought in one hundred grand in
a paper bag to give him and another security guard
to be quiet and to give him that video of
him beating Cassie. Is that in line? Did you ever
see things like that? Or is that something or I
(11:00):
guess just in line with what you knew about? Did
he for a rhyme?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It was always very common for people to come in
and clean up after his messes.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
What's interesting in that piece of testimony because we know
about the video. We've watched it fifteen times. They slowed
it down, rewind it, chopped and screwed and swerved it.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
We know what the video is.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
What's interesting in his testimony that stood out was we
heard that KK name again. KK came and gave him
a visit. KK told him, Hey, he was really out
of it. He was like super drunk. I forgot exactly
the words that she used. Intoxicated were the words that
she used, and that he didn't recall it. But what
(11:41):
I thought was interesting when he said that is hmm.
When the video first came out, he said, my behavior
was disgusting. I went back and watched it to see
if there was any type of recalling in his little
statement that he made, and then I started looking through
the transcripts and realized they came forward in their answer
to that video originally was Cassie stole his phone. It
(12:04):
wasn't about a freak off. There was no sexual situation.
He was pissed because she took off with his property.
He shouldn't have behaved that way, but she stole something
of his that was suggested and thrown out there as
something that could maybe stick.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Well, if you recall that she took your cell phone.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Then certainly you have to be able to recall everything else.
And so what KK then said to to what Eddie
Garcia testified to would then be have been allegedly not true.
And if he was intoxicated and didn't remember any of it,
then I don't think KK would have been sent over
(12:41):
to make sure that everything was handled with the video
because he wouldn't have remembered it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, and his name was saved in her phone as
Eddie my angel, I believe, but I thought some of
the details that Garcia testified to were so fascinating.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Kyk's getting on this stand, y'all. I keep saying it.
She abouts to come on this stand.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well and just so our listeners, No, KK is Christina
Korum Asara Korum, how you pronounce your last name? And
she was Ditty's chief of staff.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
She's known in the industry to be the person that
you go to if you need to get to Ditty period.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I thought, just in terms of what the case the
state is trying to build against Diddy, Garcia said that
he after like while they were working this out, while
he was giving him this money, he had him text
photos to Ditty of his driver's license as well as
ideas for his boss and the other security officer who
got paid, so that they all could be quote unquote
(13:45):
on the same page, meaning I know who you are,
I know where you live, and if any of your
video gets out, I know where to come find you.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And if you read a lot of the emotions that
came in early on in this trial, there was much
of that behavior. They were trying to get a lot
of things taken out on the prosecution side because allegedly,
in front of a lot of these freak offs, did
he would make a statement, everyone here is happy to
be willing to be here right. There were alleged comments
being made that there were communications that were told to
(14:14):
be sent to people after these events occurred, saying, had
a great night, so glad we all did that consensually.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
There was a lot of cleanups.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
There was a lot of making sure everyone is on
the same page, allegedly, and there are a lot of things.
What I think is just insane is the man that
I knew when I worked there was just so the
behavior was so erratic. It was giving allegedly a bipolar
type of feeling. It was bouncing around chaotics so much
(14:45):
like one minute is somber, the next one is we're
going to Bali.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
It was just like every which way and for somebody
that was moving that quickly, he sure did pay a
lot of attention to make sure to have everyone else
calling the escorts, choosing the escorts, showing him the photos,
getting what he wanted, selecting but them calling, handing them
(15:09):
the money, but them paying. Raving people say afterwards, I
had a good time. That's all coercion, that's all forced,
that is all somebody And so to me, what's super
damning about all this that everyone's missing in all of
the noise and distraction. He's been very aware, in my opinion,
allegedly that this behavior is illegal, because he's been passing
(15:34):
it off to other people to handle for a very
long while. Now, you don't do that when you know
what you're doing is legal. I don't question what I
do when I do it if I've ever in my
life sent anyone in to deal with it. On our end,
I mean, we don't do things like criminally, but on
our end, if you don't want a network to hate you,
(15:55):
you'll have your manager or agent go and say what
needs to be said, and you'll cuss in yelly, agent
and manager like how dare they talk and treat me
like this? You know? That's the type of thing, though,
is we know not to go to the network and
directly get at them because at the end of the day,
that will directly affect our jobs.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And our careers.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
So he just there was such an awareness for such
a long period of time that he needed to hand
over all.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Of the burden to other people to clean up.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Albert, who's his first call if he needs an n
d A. It looks like almost they were ready on standby.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
They have different folders allegedly probably for the different types
of things.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, but for Diddy if he's in trouble, and he
needs an NDA, right, Like, how what is that process?
He emails this person and then a lawyer is involved.
How would that possibly even work?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I mean, in my setting, it was You're out and
I'm in a three sixty situation, and I can do
anything from television to movies, to writing a book, to
an interview to anything. Three sixty means no, never work
in the industry again. We own you Those deals is
a whole nother podcast that needs to be discussed and
(17:15):
dismantled industry wise. But the NDAs basically silence you, and
there's a lot of money at the entail of them
if you happen to slip up.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I believe, allegedly that's why we.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Didn't necessarily necessarily hear everything I was hoping Capricorn would say,
because if you don't break it and there's a payment,
you likely could still receive the payment if you don't
break it. Now, obviously, on a federal stand you can
break anything you want to break because there's no rules
there and you can say whatever you need to say.
But it could have been just smart maneuvering because she
(17:49):
deserves it.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
She went through hell. I don't know, that's all.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Alike lawyers at his beckon call that also could potentially
be testifying here just who was made making these deals
for him, because whoever was making these deals, obviously one
could assume new about.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Why it's a nasty job.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I couldn't do it, and so it makes any question
the integrity of somebody that could talk.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
A little bit about more about who we're going to
see on this stand. And Derek obviously is on right
now the CFO. And by the way, we should mention
kind of to what you were saying he told the
jury he's testifying under a subpoena. We know that Eddie
Garcia was given immunity for him. So anyone who's testifying
right now isn't there because they want to, and some
(18:36):
of them concerned that if they didn't get that immunity,
they'd be indemnifying themselves as well, or at least making
themselves legally in jeopardy. So these are people who wouldn't
have testified otherwise. Right.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
We have to remember that, like people can look at
immunity and think, oh, they just wanted to get off
and they had something on them. Those things are technically true,
but also when you're asked King to establish something like RICO,
an organization of people that are helping commit crimes for somebody.
Everybody's committing crimes, and so somebody's got to be able
(19:11):
to get some type of immunity in order to be
able to end the enterprise from existing and continuing on
doing what they're doing. So you are going to see
people that have been a part of business practices that
are you know, a criminal potentially, or that can provide
(19:31):
some type of trail to basically just give info on
the internal business practices as he witnessed them to be.
He obviously is going to say something damning or he
wouldn't have been on the prosecution's list.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
To wrap up here on Mia, who finished her cross
examination yesterday, and again the defense went after her pretty tough,
how effective, and again I know you have your opinions
about how they did it, but they only need one
person on that jury to go wait a second, So
they really went after her credibility. And it's tough for
(20:05):
us on the inside on the outside who've never gone
through or had somebody go through being abused and what
that does to you psychologically, But for a lot of
folks to see that years after this rape and abuse happened.
She's writing messages I love you so much, I'll always
be here for you. I love you with all my heart.
I'm here for you forever. All of those things do
you think still was it effective? Even if it was
(20:30):
a little icky how he went.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
After same thing we could say about Cassie. I mean,
these are just the patterns of the people that he abused.
And like I said the first day, you know, when
I read them, I immediately was like I had like
a visceral response. And then I thought to myself, I've
told Diddy I loved him, and he was abusive toward me,
and there were things that were going on that weren't okay.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I don't know to what extent yet, but.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I could see I have loved my abuser in life,
even after they abused me. It's very possible. And also
when you can go back to somebody who if you
were in that abuse and it took you into a
state of shock, sometimes being able to revisit it and
(21:18):
in a way where everything is okay now can provide
a bit of like comfort and it can bring back
the normalcy that you felt with that person. I mean,
not everybody is out here trying to get in everybody's
pockets and manipulate and lie. If this were just isolated events,
(21:39):
then maybe we'd have to dig into them further and
really dissect someone's character with multiple people, you know, or
a really great cross examination that does something else. But say,
didn't you just want to rack out on me too?
Aren't you just lying about everything? I mean, guys, do
you have anything that you actually can say that's credible
(22:01):
that's gonna make me think twice? These text messages are
as the pattern of everybody Capricorn, Cassie, even the first
guy that came forward and was saying, you know, I
still write him Happy Birthday on his birthdays, but I
had to quit because the beating was too crazy for
me to observe. You still feel like how I can
still feel sympathy for him and.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
God through this past two years.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I've had days where I was like, this is so
unfair to Ditty And I can't even believe I'm saying
that now, especially after all the testimony.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
But I had days where I felt that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Wait still during the trial.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
You've had those days, not during the trial. I've been
doing it for two years prior to this trial. In
those times when I didn't see it all laid out
like this, there were days where I was like, man,
he's getting piled up on. And I feel some kind
of way about a black man being piled up on
in this society.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I really do.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And maybe it's because I was raised and very like
pivotal years of my life in that environment with those guys,
But there was a part of me that just felt like,
this really needs to be fair, and it doesn't need
to be about anything other than the criminal behavior and
whether it's true or not and can be proven.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Aubrey, I'm curious because obviously Mia now has wrapped up and.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
We saw and learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Another highly anticipated witness who is we believe will be
taking the stand this week, maybe even as early as Wednesday,
is another victim who are alleged victim of Ditty's who
is going by the moniker Jane for Jane Doe, but
you know who Jane is.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Potentially, Basically, everything is just coroborate. Everything is showing force,
everything is showing intimidation, everything is showing coercion, everything is
reinforcing everything.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Every single time.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Someone gets up there, whether they were a male worker,
a female worker and employee, a lover. It's all just
going back to the same types of behavior.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I mean, we're well.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Past the threshold for all five charges period in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But you did say that.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I know we talked about Mia, but you did work
alongside the real Mia.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Mia came in in a tiny bit of a crossover window,
but she's been very present in the industry in multiple
different positions, and so yes, there was crossover with Mia there.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'll ree.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I'm curious because you described the testimony and I think
most people would agree as horrific, and yet it's so
interesting to hear you say before the trial you had
periods of sympathy for him. You felt like maybe people
were piling on or jumping onto the bandwagon. But now
that you've heard some of this incredible testimony, are you
(25:05):
even shocked? Even given what you We started out speaking
to you, and you have had your experiences, you're doing
your exploration and your investigation, but even someone who was
around him for as much as you were and thought
you knew the good and the bad and the ugly,
what has been your level of shock at least, or
(25:26):
what's been your reaction to what you're hearing versus what
you thought you were going to hear.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You No, I have the same type of feeling that
everyone on the stand continues to say, which is there
is this good side of him, There is a side that.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You can love.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That side is so palpable that people will still write
him after their abuse with loving messages or thoughts or feelings.
It doesn't mean that everything that's going on isn't very criminal.
It just means that this is very complex and layered,
(26:05):
and to suggest that there is nothing good about this
person is a very bold thing to suggest. And that's
kind of what eighty civil suits were giving.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
On top, top on top on top.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Of each other for years, a year and a half
or so, and then you know, as it's starting to
be put together, there are days that I drive home
and call people that also were around during that time,
not my band members, but people in the industry, and
we just like sit in silence, pull up to wherever
(26:39):
we're going, and say, who the fuck were we working for?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Who is he? What were we in? How were we
put with this person?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Like?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Why how could this have gone so unchucke by so
many very high level corporate people. They gave him branding
deals and TV shows and platforms to take young impressionable
artists and.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Have them be exploited.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
In ways that are just so degrading and humiliating that.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I just it's just being discussed in so many circles
as just being so known to people. Should Knight has
said it a few times. Everybody knew what puff was on.
Everybody knew this was going on. Even I said, everyone
knew there was behaviors, like everybody knew the sex parties.
Everybody knows I know all kinds of little tea that
I could drop it, legally, I wouldn't because it turns
(27:46):
you into a gossip versus somebody that's reporting on actual
events that are occurring to in this trial. And I'm
not interested in being Wendy Williams, even though I do
love her. But for me, I'm just trying. I was
trying to find if there was a soul in there somewhere,
if there's something redeemable, even if he serves all the
(28:09):
time that he should, because I believe that they've hit
the threshold on all five charges, will he be able
to find himself.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
If he is charged?
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Like I don't know It's almost like somebody that really
locked into your soul. You kind of always still think
about them. My entire life was changed because I met
this person, for better or worse, the way that he
was able to psychologically get inside my head and the
way he groomed me at too young of an age
to throw those boundaries down and say no, it had
(28:46):
to have affected everyone I've dated, the way I positioned
myself to them, the way I saw myself as a woman,
the way that I thought my value was as a woman,
and so on and so forth. I mean, it's just very, very,
very complex, and the abuse is just too horrific, and
the system that's propping it up is just too knowledgeable
(29:10):
of so much of this.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Aubrey, would you say when you first met him and
started working with him, he was the guy that's being
described in court or he was still years away from
developing into what is being described as a monster.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I think he lost the plot. I think he had
some of the plot when I was still there. But
you know, it's so hard because technology really changed the game.
You know, like you can't just do all your stuff
anymore without their being I mean, if someone dies, you
have eighty cameras going up before people call nine to
one one. Everybody is documenting, and everybody is selling the
(29:50):
documents of everything.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
It's a very very like.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Movable part of our culture ingrained in US now back
then in the nineties, I mean, saw freaknik on you
on Hulu and we're like, huh what what who? We're like,
you know, every different different cultures had different reactions, But
that was really shocking for people back then.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
That was just what it was.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
There's just I've been through this evolution of this is
just what it is over this way and all the
way to know this should never be where it is
in any way. And certainly if this is just a
lavish lifestyle, everybody that's allowing the money to continue rolling
in for this lavish lifestyle, that are attending the events
(30:35):
of this lavish lifestyle have got to come inside their
homes at night and question would I want my daughter
doing this?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Would I want my daughter dating this, being involved in this?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Like I guess when it's not happening to yours and
your own maybe you just don't do the oversights properly.
But this is a very big, very very big problem,
and a lot of very big people I would like
to see accountability on so many levels.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I think that's been one of the most shotting things,
at least to me, is to see how many people knew,
how many people knew, and how many people facilitated, and
how many people allowed it to continue.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's been mind blowing to me.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's facilitated and allowed to continue. And I on the
higher levels on down to the people that were wrangling
for him. We've talked to people where we've heard stories
of that being alleged. You know what I'm saying. I
want to see all of that. I think people that
were in the know, I don't know. I knew things
and I tried telling people and no one was listening,
and I got to see the results of it. Maybe
(31:42):
other people didn't want to see those results. The results
aren't pretty. They're humiliating and embarrassing, and you don't really
get to become what you wanted to become or could
have become in life anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Where did you leaning? I think I've asked you this
a couple of times in the past couple of weeks.
Everybody here we are, fourth full week of testimony. Where
are you leaning? How do you think the trial is
going for the prosecution and for the defense.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I just I think that they've proved.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
I mean, I was speaking with an attorney the other
day about the thresholds on all five charges.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
We've just seen them.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I asked if everything's been met, and in their opinion
as an attorney, they said yes on all five.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I feel the same.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but I'm yes on all
five here and now today. If they brought on a
bodyguard in KK, I probably just would go to sleep
for the defense because it's under the jail rap type
of a situation. If a bodyguard in KK go up there,
if any of the bodyguard, if any of the bodyguards
that I may be allegedly know that maybe have allegedly
(32:46):
committed any federal crimes with him, if they were to
have been given immunity allegedly and they take the stand
and they alleged to things that they did, that would
be damning. So and the attorney I spoke to his opinion,
Emily Simpson, she felt like she would love to see
a bodyguard and uh an executive from the system which
(33:10):
Harf Pierre's name has been thrown around a lot in
that courtroom and in civil suits and that was my boss,
all right.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So it sounds like obviously there's going to be several
people testifying this week. But if we see Jane, if
we see Christina Korum or KKs, you like to call her?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Oh girl, I don't like to call her anything. I
don't call her and I don't like to call her.
That is just what they call her. And I'm going
with the days on that one. I don't have her
in my phone, nor do I ever want.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
But if you did have her, what would you her name?
She would be saved as.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
What I was wondering what your name would have been
saved as in her phone?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Since Eddie was Eddie my angel.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
My problem Eddie my Angel was how puff had him saved?
Who had him saved?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
My hellh yeah, that's how KK had its spelled right
in the phone of sean COM's chief of staff, KK
misspelled is Eddie my Angel?
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, Eddie my Angel? Interesting? Interesting, you know, it's funny.
In my phone, I would get people reaching out to
me when all of this first started, and you know,
some numbers, I don't know a lot of them.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I did.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
And then, shockingly, and it's been so many years that
I didn't even know that I had people in my
phone still stored in this but there was Puff's Girl one,
Puff's Girl, purple shoes, puff Girls missing a diamond inner bracelet,
puff Girl three. There I went to and then when
it came up, I was like, oh, this girl is
(34:44):
my profile and she's this and that and just saying
Puff's Girl. And I guess at the time I was
just saving anyone that was around that puff would maybe
need to pass on to talk to somebody off something's
going on or whatever. However whatever alleged I thought. I
knew at the time that's how I was saving people.
And I tend to save people that I'm not going
(35:06):
to be close with but that I'm needing to have
a moment with to move on from like that so
I can get out of it. And there was a
lot of Puff's Girls in my phone. It was it
was pretty hectach.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Last thing for me over here is just have you
have you heard from people, and maybe not even people
you work with, but unexpectedly since this trial has been
going on, reaching out to maybe ask you something or
tell you something. Just give it if you if you
don't want to get into specifics, which we encourage you
to do so, but just in an idea, I'm just
(35:39):
curious how maybe folks might be coming out of the woodworks.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Uh yeah, everybody.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
There's been people that have hit me up that want
to come talk on the show that are victims allegedly.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
There are people that we're.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Only around during family times that have a hard time
even seeing him like this. There are people that only
saw him like this. There are days where I just
get like, this guy's the fucking devil, and and those
are like, those are feelings that come that happen for people.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I mean, I don't want to discredit any of it.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I just want to make sure that we're always going
back to the evidence and that we're always that I
personally am always taking my biases out and making sure
that like, if Brian Steele had killed this cross, I
would be good. I would be telling you, I really would.
(36:40):
I'm impressed with him as a lawyer. He's a big deal.
I just really wish I heard a lot of big
deal shit coming out of his mouth instead of like,
weren't you just on the me too train?
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Aren't you just lying about everything? That's just noise.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
It's noise that everybody that anybody that's been around llwy
or has studied the law and knows that that's utilized,
and he's he was effective. I think everybody can probably
say he was. She got the hardest cross.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh yes, he was.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
He was brutal, and and that brutality was because she
was such a good, strong, consistent witness. When they're good
and strong, you have to be good and strong. I
think though it's not going to work in his favor.
I think it's victim shaming. It's going to come off
as allegedly. I think it's going to come off as
victim shaming to the jury. And I think that it
(37:31):
it in my backfire. It's just my backfire. But I
have people watching the jury. There's one person that is
a little concerning for.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Me, uh who.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I don't know if we should get into this right
now or later on, or when if it should be
an episode or what.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The next episode.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I've had people watching the jury from the very beginning,
because in my opinion, the most important day that this
trial had was when they chose the jury.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Okay, all right, so we will absolutely get into jury watching.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, facial expression, etc. In the next podcast.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
But Allfrey as always, just we so appreciate your perspective
and your insight and what you can tell us about
these some of these folks who are coming up and
taking the stand.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And what it means to the trial.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
And uh and again for anyone listening, we want to
throw out that hotline for you again. If you have
a comment, a question, something you'd like us to talk about,
you can get in contact with us if you reach
out on this number eight four to four or ask
us Q or eight four four four two seven five.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Eight seven seven. We can't wait to hear from you.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And if anyone wants to ask me Amy or TJ
about any fake headlines that we could clear up for you,
go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
I dare you. We got smoke for you too.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Oh, I got to start with the smoke. Don't bring
us into your little smoke fights on.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
The screen guards. I'll take all the smoke foreveryudy.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I got it, Thank you, please, all right, folks, We
appreciate you all listening. As always, continue to keep an
eye on this fee. We will continue to update as
this trial goes on. Thanks so much for listening.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
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