June 16, 2025 • 29 mins
In this explosive two-part episode, Death Row founder Suge Knight calls Aubrey from prison to deliver his most unfiltered take yet on the trial of his decades-long rival: Sean “Diddy” Combs.
Suge doesn’t hold back. He rewinds the clock to the real origins of the East Coast vs. West Coast war.
Who REALLY started the long trail of bloodshed that claimed the lives of Biggie and Tupac?
Who does Suge blame for Diddy’s ‘Bad Boy’ behavior?
And in a chilling prediction, Suge reveals what he believes could happen in court that would shake the music industry forever.
This isn’t a headline—it’s a warning. And it's coming from the inside.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day covering the Diddy trial.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You have a prepaid call from Sure. Let's call ANDREI
telephone number. We'll be monitored and recorded. Shure man, it's
good with you, top in the morning to you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I miss you, baby. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh? You know, miss you baby. Every day's a blessing.
He's still taking over the world. I see.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Huh, you know, one little small step at a time.
But can I tell you I have missed your spirit
and energy for so long. I always watch your interviews
and I think people would trip out to hear us
talking and know to find out that we've known each
other for what is it decades now, I think since
the last time we hung out.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, it's gonna be funny about it that I had
got you studio time because I had tracks and stuff
for you, but somebody got in the way of it.
You probably never knew that part, but I will tell
you that today.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I did not know. I swear I did not know
that part.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That you know.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's kind of the story of being blacklisted, though you
know how that goes. Can I tell you one thing, Sugar,
There was this photo of us where you gave me
my first cigar, and me and you were smoking a
cigar at some event that we were at together, and
it's my one of my favorite photos of us, and
it got riped off the internet. I can't find it anywhere,
and I used to be able to just google it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
One of those people who probably don't like you probably
got rid of it somehow.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, they don't. They don't want people knowing that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
They don't want people knowing that we're friends, that we
collaborate on ideas exactly. So, Sugar, I know you don't
have a ton of time, so I want to first
get started with my like the number one dying question
I have for you, which is historically you and Puff
have had decades of bad blood and so seeing interview
(01:50):
after interview lately where you're basically kind of saying things
like Puff isn't guilty for the things he did to
those people, that he didn't invent abuse industry tactics Salon, which,
by the way, I do agree with you on that
this is a systematic issue and way more people need
to be being discussed. However, doesn't you saying that those
statements in general kind of validate that Puff is doing
(02:13):
that behavior and that he is guilty of it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So I never said that I don't believe he not
doing anything wrong. What I said was this, I mean,
I love the coach of hip hop. I love the
coach of our people. Right, Yes, it was all said
and done. I said they should be smart about it
because you know, my belief is that I feel, like
(02:37):
I always felt, I felt that he's real comfortable with
the authorities, maybe the FBI informant or something. Right, Yeah,
So I said at this time that they're not really
gonna smack him like they're another with smacking anyone else,
because you got to look at the pattern. But it's
the same guy. That one thing for certain, one thing
(02:58):
for sure. When I started my company, when I started
death Row, nobody started death row button me. When I
decided to start death Row, I came with the name
my Little homy hit Doll Rest in Peace to the
logo Everything's done blew me. And then as time went on,
people try to get recognition or try to get out
of prison, and he got out of prison by saying
(03:20):
and they have affiliated with me, were alive, right, Yeah,
But on the other hand, buff really had drug money
invold in this shit, that's the past, right, But at
the same time, he got him a parting.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, he had a lot of people moving in the
streets for him. He had a bunch of people right, right.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So what I'm trying to say is you take now,
sure enough, I'm from Tamping, I'm with all that, and
I claim everything about what God made me. I am right,
but don't lie on me. So when I said that,
he's probably not gonna smack him that bad because of
his affiliations with law enforcements. So then when I was
trying to save this and I still stand up on me,
(03:59):
it's so much more we can do for the generations
behind us. Yes, what I mean by that, it's like
make make him you understand and tell his truth. He
should one of humanized himself and help others. Make all
the other people who were definitely involved.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Why was I just gonna I was going to jump
to Capricorn, Like everybody was talking about Capricorn's testimony, and
on my podcast, I said, I was a bit disappointed
that she didn't go all the way there because if
you were around in the industry, you know what she
endured and who and how she got the money to
go away and they didn't talk about it on the stand.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You mean to tell me that he gonna bring Capricorn,
Puffy and one of the ghouls and me women to
make Capricorn take the money, not like saying you are
a choice.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Can I ask you something on that? When I heard
in the testimony that she had come from death Row
and then was brought over to bad Boy and how
they kind of initiated her into that family. I had
never known that she had come from death row? What
was that extreme of an initiation for? Like, what what
did they think she was gonna do? Come report back?
(05:11):
I mean, what what was that? Did that elevate the
beef between you guys?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
First of all, let's get it straight. Me personally, he
wasn't important enough to be my enemy. I never had
nothing against Puff like that, you know what I mean?
And we know it can be beef because you ain't
never one thing about me. You're gonna see me everywhere
you go on the West Coast. You're gonna see me
in the ghetto, You're gonna see in somebody's project. You
(05:36):
gonna see me at every restaurre, every club, every beach, everywhere.
So it's nothing separating him or anyone else get at
me but ad And at the same time, even when
even when I did get shot, I still can't do
one way. So and I got shot more than us.
But when it comes to Capricorn, you gotta look at
(05:58):
it like this, the high for a position. We all
know what her position was. Right now when you settle,
there's no taxes. Yeah, but they know the truth because
you tell them about the government. You talk about the FBI.
You know how powerful United States is the United States government?
It's like Trump. You see how fast Trump can get
(06:19):
seven hundred troopils or whoever he won marine down there
in downtown and look what area because he's a president
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I guess I always viewed puff as being one of
the untouchables, But all of a sudden he's touchable, Which
makes me wonder who else is a sole inventor of
this type of behavior you were around? Who are the names?
Can you start helping make some change? Give me names?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, this is how you gotta look at It's not
the fact that people's untouchable or not untouchable. Right now,
they can snatch your happiness if you let them patrol you.
But if you following God, can nobody snatch your happiness.
I've been in prison ten and a half years. They
ain't had a bad deal yet, right, that's only because
of God, and I got good people, you know on
(07:06):
the streets. Right. But this is the thing. Let's get
to the facts. That's about rebuilding the industry. If we
really care about the culture of hip hop and where
should go. Let's get the truth. Let's put these people
on the stand.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Tell me some of the truth. Should tell me who
should take the stand.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They shouldn't let Capricorn walk the way they let her walk,
because if you look at it, if you look at Capricorn,
you're going to be said, okay, okay, kat you trying
to tell me. I'm not saying it's not true. Puffy
threatened you and you didn't tell me. What type of
bitch is you? They know who at the players are.
(07:42):
Get all those people on the stand, let them tell
their truth and work out some type of deal.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Somebody has to start naming them. They're not gonna take
the stand themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Oh no, but you don't. But they can name them.
First of all. You gotta look at it like this,
just the United States, just the government you think those
da that worked for the FBI work in the United
States of America. They don't have the resources, they don't
have to knowledge not to get it done. They listening
to us right now as we speak. They probably watching me,
(08:13):
and they probably can tell you. I'm shut certain as
right now. See how many times I've been working out.
So this is the United States of America, powerful people, right,
So start like this. Every person around them has been corrupted.
I'm gonna tell you what I know, and I'm gonna
ask you what you know even if you take and
I ain't picking on reg Jie, I think they should
look out for rage.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I asked Raj at the end of last year, was
he a part of any of it? And he told
me no.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you're trying to say you never seen Puffy and
ray J together your like your whole career.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I saw them together a lot now, you.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Know as well as I know. When you've seen ray
J with Puffy? Was he acting like Brandy's little brother?
Was he being Raj? Or was he being one of
Puppy's people? You tell me? Did I tell you what
I know?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think everybody around Diddy knows that Diddy is the one,
it's in charge.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, and so it's a whole bunch of suck. It
ain't what else going on. But look, I'm gonna tell
you like this, and I'm gonna take up for ray
Jae because Ray Jae is going through a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Because didn't he spend it on you a bit and
say you were doing it?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
One thing, I've never got a dressing proved. One I'm black. Two,
I'm a man, Three am a man of God. And
four love me in the world. Everybody knows. Yeah, everybody
know what I do. And I do love you. You
got all the juice in the world. But at the
same time, I'm a man. I'm a man that loves
beautiful women, right, I do know.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I know that I've seen you through the years.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, I'm not gonna put my penis in a woman.
But I'm not even nicking on a woman. But so
if I ain't gonna if I ain't gonna put my
opinions in a woman, but what makes you think I'm
gonna put my opinions in a man's ass?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So in regards to Tupac's shooting, you were in the car.
We all know that Keithy came forward and said that
Puff offered a million bucks to take him out. We
know that Zip is gone. They can't maybe trace the money,
I guess, is what's going on in that situation? And
Keethy was in the backseat? And is all that true?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, Before I can get to that part, you see,
they don't got KVD at Puppy's trial over.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Stead, Why when Keithy d got taken in, I was
expecting that charge to come up in the indictment in
all honesty.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, well, okay, so look, let's let's break it down.
Let me let me walk you through it. Okay. Now,
first of all, Puff is from New York. He come
on the West Coast. People pretty much figured that. You know,
they think they called New York the Red Apple, but
(10:56):
in reality, the West Coast is the Red Apple. So
the red apples already in somebody's hands taking a big
bite off that apple. Have no choice but to day
with the lady and the devil in the blue dress,
you know. So Puff goes to recruit the people who
(11:17):
wear blue. Now it's a guy named James who moved
to my neighborhood, like in nineteen eighty two. He started
living in kepd's neighborhood, his baby mother and wife there,
his best friends with gpd's wife or baby mama or
whatever this case may be. I'm not all in the
(11:39):
politics of that. WHOHI he personally heard, he personally seen
Jane Jamee's personally seen Puffy talking to KD them in
their neighborhood about putting money on Tupac and on me.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's one thing, right, Why was his hatred so deep
for you in Park?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, I think it started with Tupac first.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
There's rumors out there that they were there was potentially
more than a friendship between them.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Is that true between Pokin Diddy? Was there anything going
on their relationship wise?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm gonna tell you like this, I had to be
with if I wasn't winning twenty four, twenty four hours
out the day. We talked all through the day, all
through the night. I ain't never seen PC talking about
messing with a man, want to mess with a man?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So the people that are saying that are capping.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, you know, you gotta realize what game have them?
You got this? What you gotta realize. You got the
people who do something in life and did something in life,
and you got the people who never did them in life.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, who go on podcasting gossip if you do.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Your well, you know, well that's a new that's a
new thing of the gossip because you don't get some
person in the podcast and say, hey, should night mess
though with three hundred million? Four hundred million after not true? Right,
but say if that is true, you call yourself a
game or you call yourself on a podcast. You you
wish me to a bench, try to press a bitch
and tell them stuff about me. Right, But at the
(13:00):
end of the day, you got to look at it
like this, twenty years of their career, twenty years of
their career trying to make money. I was spending a
hundred times more than that I was spending twenty I
was spending ten million in twenty minutes. These dudes in
twenty years probably make fifty grand. So all this extra
(13:24):
talking they talk on these shows, they're the weirdos. Back
to the reality of the facts. Let's take this, let's
take this time. Let's fix some things. Let's see we
don't got to be funny and clown you know, now.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Let's fix it, straighten it up for people. That's what
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Now let's go to the part of this and reason
why I brung up rain J. I got love for
ray J. I don't care for what ray Jay say.
You know, at the end of the mother the day
you know ray J say is lost. We need help.
So let's not pick on ray J. But at the
same time, how they go from ray Z being with
him all the time, spending the night with him and
(14:03):
never ever gets poened A coat of court. You got
capricorn on the stands Now I got a forty five
bullet into my skull and the doctor told me they
can't remove because if the go another EDS, I'll be
dead or vescible. But now a cook a cop say
it's just a forty it's not a forty five. That's
(14:25):
news to me. He probably knows less he heading out
the guns. I don't know how you know more than
what the doctor killed me. The man you do. Now
back to the facts of the matter. When you look
at the when I got shot, they blamed me for
thirty years. It cost me my freedom, cost me mind
cumpany in a way, it cost me my freedom again.
(14:47):
This time if somebody hit me with an iron pipe
and they got a video on it, I don't worry
about it. They'll say nothing happened. It doesn't happen to
these people. I can get shot seven times in one open,
they got all on video, they could do a song
about it. Do anything happens? Absolutely not. What she's gonna
look at is were talking about Puffy situation. We're talking
(15:10):
about Loud of the Vega situation. You talking about Tupac,
you talking about me, you talk about Puffy, You tell
my bad Boy, you tell about death. Bro, let's start there, Biggie,
all of it and all of.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The stories that have been told. What is a piece
of the truth that nobody knows? Can you tell me
one piece of truth? Then nobody knows about that whole era.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm gonna tell you the truth that nobody knows. First
of all, you gotta remember one thing. We always friends,
number one. Yeah, Now that's very important. But we all
needed each other. Yeah, because as a whole, we made
the entry exciting. Yep, we made us work harder. Because
(15:52):
at the end of the day, if I was known
for making superstars and dropping albums, Puffy was to make
a single better than anyone. And you gotta get that
to him, because this motherfucker I'm gonna take a single,
we go off as Biggie or what else, and he
gonna hop his ass to have mother fucking videos. He's
gonna put that little, tight little suit on it and
(16:12):
he's gonna pop it. Right. Yeah, I'm gonna make my
artists as far and never ever being in video. I'm not.
I'm not gonna pop it. I'm not gonna do all
it because it's about film. Gave all the stock in
death Row and ask one of.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Them, so, so where tell me? They tell me that?
Tell me where it first goes wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I think it went wrong because of the people in
the industry and not us. I called a meeting for
all of us. I said, hey, and this is a
meeting in my This is meeting in the prime of everything.
I said, you know, they got six contributors. We don't
got to say it disturbed by death bro. We don't
(16:56):
got the serious and said disturbed by a bad boy
or whoever. We don't gonna do none of that, right,
I said, this is what we do.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You didn't need them, You didn't need that. They were
taking the money and you didn't need to give them
that cut.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Period, didn't need them. So so so I told everybody,
I said, look all my artists, I'm giving them their
own label. I gave Stoop, you're gonna have your own label.
Park you got your own label. Dog for everybody having
your own label.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So in that in that meeting, what was the agreement?
Why did why did it go wrong?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So this is would happened? We all in this meeting,
and I said, look, I don't got to do this
by myself. It could be some we ship. So this
is what we're gonna do. We control the industry because
so then they have a hit song of breaking new
artists then need to track. Why want of our producers?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, they needed all artists got.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It and they needed they needed this, right. I think
what we're gonna do is we're gonna have a distribution
company and we're gonna call it a Lucky seven. The
Lucky seven is gonna get all the talent and distriver
our own ship. So Puffy raised his hand like he's
in class. He said, cause I talked, I said, go ahead.
(18:05):
He looked. He says, I'm not worried about the white
people that we can see. I'm worried about the wolves
gonna pull up on our on our front yard, and
those pickup trucks and talking about burning um signs in
the yard.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He's worried about the white men coming up and pickup trucks,
harassing us, telling them we can't do it. I said, well,
you take your Martin Luther king as on out of
here and have a dream. The wars who want to
be like macaolm x and all I means necessary, Let's
stay and talk.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So that divided the coasts.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That divided everything, and that turned everything to making Hill
night to the industry most wanted. M hm.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, So let me fast forward a tiny bit. Now
we get into the higher stake of there's weapons, there's hatred,
there's people being murdered. It's getting out of control. I
understand that that's where the bad blood starts. How does
it elevate to the next levels, which are way more crazy?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Is it over?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Masters?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Is it over? Girls?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
What is it over?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
They played every person against everyone, So it starts like this,
the white men dead right when we had the biggest
peace treaty on the West coast. I can't speak to
anyone else. I'm born raised out here right on the
West coast. We have one of the biggest peace treaties
ever with all the different neighborhoods, the game members and
everyone after Rodney King got his asked with the riots, right, yeah,
(19:44):
the share especially the ones encountered. They will go in
their own personal cars and drive up shoot that different
game member as far as sometimes shoot a game member
and how another game members neighborhood and that certain neighborhood
would go back and do something to the other neighborhood
they thought came and shot at him, but it was
(20:06):
always the police. So now we has it in the industry.
They pulled a lot of guys and you don't need
to times people call me in the meet and say, hey,
you make average like you say Puffy makes sing this,
you make superstars. Now we can't say Biggie wasn't one
of the best rappers you ever do it, but the
did between Biggie and Tupac, Biggie was probably that were
(20:29):
the best ever ever. Tystomc to rhyme.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Superstar in the industry ever because Biggy can go on
stage and rap for an hour. Yeah, he's gonna be
sweating because he wrapping his ass off. Tupac gonna come
on the stage before we say.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
One word, everyone's gonna lose their shit.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
They're gonna lose they see. It's gonna be real pennies.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
On the mother for the stage, real pennies whole as.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I ain't telling no plenty with peenis Prince the
I'm talking about real.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'll still take them off to this day.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Right, That's what up toubou.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So that was that, right, Okay, So the people above, y'all,
the white men you couldn't see, were getting their hands
messy in it. And it sounds like there were street
dynamics in gang things that were involved in it too.
But it wasn't necessarily at It wasn't necessarily y'all at
the forefront of it. It was a lot of other
players that were making tensions rise.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, you got maybe one thing. Let's also go back
to you in facts, the cricket cops destroyed hip hop.
So at first everybody was just using their homies. Come on,
we're going on tour, we going to this club. So
now you're gonna take your homies because you want them
to eat, you want to get them a job, you
want them to make some money. Right as you go
(21:48):
up to the club. Drive to the club with just
your homies, the police pulling you over, the cookie cops
and they taking people to the gem. Right. So later
on these same Criokiet cops come here and say, hey.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Who are the crooked cops working for?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
At this point, well the cookeet Countain. Is this Reggie
Wright Jr? On our side?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
No I know, But who Who's whose interests are they
working for?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
They working for the interest of the money for themself.
So this is how you got to look at it.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Okay, So whoever is whoever's filling their pocket?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Right? So now this is the thing, right, So once again,
so now you got to cook the caps supposed to
be the one carrying the gun towards making sure they
down harass us that the police. I was smartest to
say that a cop did with a cop. So you know,
the homie going say, what's going on? You know? The
police show us back and talk to the police. The
only problem that became was I said this, and I
(22:43):
gotta get this guy. I was wrong on one thing.
Last time I spoke on something. I said, hey, Jean
and Birkburg, who's reads his friends? Yeah, Jean said, no,
it wasn't him. Jean said it was Paul who was
head of security for Bad Boys, Right, Okay, yeah, when
(23:06):
you go back and you when you go back and
you check out boxes every time something happened, the Crookeet
pops the cooker Caps in portrayed us like that, like
the FBI infiltrated the black pants is back in the
day cookie Caps and traded their hit coops.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, okay, I get what I get where you're going
with this. Let me let me ask you something. Who
wins when Puck and Biggie die? Who wins? Who had
the biggest wins on those deaths?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Let's tell you who wins. Well, the major Lutivities sales
go to the roof the croocket Caps because they got
paid to participate and make sure you go down. And
then if you notice, when you when two of the
most powerful artists.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
In the industry, people in the world, but all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The other artists all hire more security. Now you I
don't care if this at this whoever, you can pick
any ord as it is on the East coast, on
the West coast, down south, midwest, whatever, Right, every time
somebody get killed, if somebody gets shined, everybody hire more security.
(24:19):
Every time somebody get killed, somebody gets shined, the majors
make more money and they use that for excuse. So
if you if you somebody say you little Lane, what
I'll tell you what. Probably two of the bands really
young of the out is NBA Young Boy and Tory Lane. Right,
so say you those two guys. The minute you get
(24:42):
in trouble, and they think you get in trouble, that
give them a reason not to give you the big bag.
They should get these guys a half of being in dollars.
They Chiclo Dodo in their office and say, you know what,
matter of fact, kids are being dollars. You deserve that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So everything is coming down to mass ownership and money.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
But you're missing the point. You got to understand something.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
What's the point I'm missing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
The point you missing is is it's problems in the industry.
Big got excuse not to give you guys getting the
dollars because nobody want to deal with you guys because
it's gonna be shooting, we're gonna be fighting, and it's
gonna be arrested. But they said we're gonna do you
a favorite and to use some small money where they
should give these young guys being the dollars. Do you
(25:26):
know much money they make for everything out of music?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, so no, I do, I do. So let me
let me let me ask you this question when you
go when you look at Ditty's trial, because these were
a lot of people talking in the streets around the
time all this started occurring. Is this person potentially and listen,
all the things that are being testified to are being
testified to. This is a real trial with real victims
that are alleging things. However, I wanted to ask you,
(25:52):
is there a bigger system at play that maybe wanted
to take his power from him? Or is this just
solely all based on his behavior alone in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
No, it's well, the facts of it exist. They wanted
to take his power from him. They could have been
took his power. And you got to member one thing,
you gotta look at my situation.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, they did show they have I.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Know, but I'm going to tell you this how it starts.
I haven't did that one thing to have universal or
in his scope for anyone else. Give my masters. I
didn't do anything illegal or anything wrong, even when even
when the Harriss lied and said they're ancing to do
with my company that was proven. They didn't. They got nothing.
(26:38):
They gave Melia Harris because my lawyer, who represented all
the same people did shook the court one day. Now
look at the make a picture of all the whole situations.
All of a sudden, they've been doing the step Puffy
been doing. They told him, I'm gonna ask you a question.
You incredible singer. You got a great voice, betting the
(26:59):
most anyone. You beautiful woman, you can pants, you got rhythm,
you got the voids, and you gained about your shit right.
Why do you think they didn't let you to be
the biggest artist that anyone could be.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Because I stood up to Puff, I told people how
it was.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I didn't allow myself to be taken advantage of when
they wanted me to fuck around and do the funny behavior,
I said no, I left, I didn't participate, and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I was not system friendly. I never have been. In
every single experience I've had after that, I'm always getting
a bad hand because I just am not willing to
play the game of the system. However, for some reason,
they've been able to make me enough of a joke
that I'm able to stay around and keep talking and
saying what I have to say, which is truth. But
(27:50):
because Puff fired me and said I was promiscuous, raunchy,
bad for business on national television as a kid, the
whole world kind of looks at me in a way
where like, oh, we don't really take her seriously. That
I kind of got away with staying in a lane
that was comfortable enough to where I could still say
what the fuck it is? But I'm not being killed
over it because I don't really have as much power
(28:11):
because they made sure that I never get as much
power as it would take from my voice to really
matter period.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now I feel bad for you, but I feel great
for you because me too, because you steal who you are. Now,
just what I want to say. Yeah, if they really
were trying to get Puffy right, has anybody call him
puppy on?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Know?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Why? Listen? Anybody was trying to get him right, the
prosecution would have been sitting outside your resident would a
sub penic if you understand right. They would have showed
that he was this beautiful woman who have all the
talent in the world, and they even blackness her right.
(28:57):
So why do you think that in these women regard
there was Cassie or or Capricorn or whoever, any of
those motherfuckers. Right for the Asian girl, fifty cents, baby
mama whatever. Right if they told the trip a triple
Bob Puffy, they probably only to be able to get
a McDonald's child because nobody in the industry will never
(29:17):
hire them again. So basically, that's the power of racketeering.
That's the power of controlling people with violence, our threats
or money or distortion. They're not trying to get these
this man because this man gave too much through the system.
You had sixty seconds remaining, I'm gonna call you red back.
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day covering the Diddy trial.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You have a prepaid call from Sure. Let's call ANDREI
telephone number. We'll be monitored and recorded. Shure man, it's
good with you, top in the morning to you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I miss you, baby. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh? You know, miss you baby. Every day's a blessing.
He's still taking over the world. I see.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Huh, you know, one little small step at a time.
But can I tell you I have missed your spirit
and energy for so long. I always watch your interviews
and I think people would trip out to hear us
talking and know to find out that we've known each
other for what is it decades now, I think since
the last time we hung out.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, it's gonna be funny about it that I had
got you studio time because I had tracks and stuff
for you, but somebody got in the way of it.
You probably never knew that part, but I will tell
you that today.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I did not know. I swear I did not know
that part.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That you know.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's kind of the story of being blacklisted, though you
know how that goes. Can I tell you one thing, Sugar,
There was this photo of us where you gave me
my first cigar, and me and you were smoking a
cigar at some event that we were at together, and
it's my one of my favorite photos of us, and
it got riped off the internet. I can't find it anywhere,
and I used to be able to just google it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
One of those people who probably don't like you probably
got rid of it somehow.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, they don't. They don't want people knowing that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
They don't want people knowing that we're friends, that we
collaborate on ideas exactly. So, Sugar, I know you don't
have a ton of time, so I want to first
get started with my like the number one dying question
I have for you, which is historically you and Puff
have had decades of bad blood and so seeing interview
(01:50):
after interview lately where you're basically kind of saying things
like Puff isn't guilty for the things he did to
those people, that he didn't invent abuse industry tactics Salon, which,
by the way, I do agree with you on that
this is a systematic issue and way more people need
to be being discussed. However, doesn't you saying that those
statements in general kind of validate that Puff is doing
(02:13):
that behavior and that he is guilty of it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So I never said that I don't believe he not
doing anything wrong. What I said was this, I mean,
I love the coach of hip hop. I love the
coach of our people. Right, Yes, it was all said
and done. I said they should be smart about it
because you know, my belief is that I feel, like
(02:37):
I always felt, I felt that he's real comfortable with
the authorities, maybe the FBI informant or something. Right, Yeah,
So I said at this time that they're not really
gonna smack him like they're another with smacking anyone else,
because you got to look at the pattern. But it's
the same guy. That one thing for certain, one thing
(02:58):
for sure. When I started my company, when I started
death Row, nobody started death row button me. When I
decided to start death Row, I came with the name
my Little homy hit Doll Rest in Peace to the
logo Everything's done blew me. And then as time went on,
people try to get recognition or try to get out
of prison, and he got out of prison by saying
(03:20):
and they have affiliated with me, were alive, right, Yeah,
But on the other hand, buff really had drug money
invold in this shit, that's the past, right, But at
the same time, he got him a parting.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, he had a lot of people moving in the
streets for him. He had a bunch of people right, right.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So what I'm trying to say is you take now,
sure enough, I'm from Tamping, I'm with all that, and
I claim everything about what God made me. I am right,
but don't lie on me. So when I said that,
he's probably not gonna smack him that bad because of
his affiliations with law enforcements. So then when I was
trying to save this and I still stand up on me,
(03:59):
it's so much more we can do for the generations
behind us. Yes, what I mean by that, it's like
make make him you understand and tell his truth. He
should one of humanized himself and help others. Make all
the other people who were definitely involved.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Why was I just gonna I was going to jump
to Capricorn, Like everybody was talking about Capricorn's testimony, and
on my podcast, I said, I was a bit disappointed
that she didn't go all the way there because if
you were around in the industry, you know what she
endured and who and how she got the money to
go away and they didn't talk about it on the stand.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You mean to tell me that he gonna bring Capricorn,
Puffy and one of the ghouls and me women to
make Capricorn take the money, not like saying you are
a choice.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Can I ask you something on that? When I heard
in the testimony that she had come from death Row
and then was brought over to bad Boy and how
they kind of initiated her into that family. I had
never known that she had come from death row? What
was that extreme of an initiation for? Like, what what
did they think she was gonna do? Come report back?
(05:11):
I mean, what what was that? Did that elevate the
beef between you guys?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
First of all, let's get it straight. Me personally, he
wasn't important enough to be my enemy. I never had
nothing against Puff like that, you know what I mean?
And we know it can be beef because you ain't
never one thing about me. You're gonna see me everywhere
you go on the West Coast. You're gonna see me
in the ghetto, You're gonna see in somebody's project. You
(05:36):
gonna see me at every restaurre, every club, every beach, everywhere.
So it's nothing separating him or anyone else get at
me but ad And at the same time, even when
even when I did get shot, I still can't do
one way. So and I got shot more than us.
But when it comes to Capricorn, you gotta look at
(05:58):
it like this, the high for a position. We all
know what her position was. Right now when you settle,
there's no taxes. Yeah, but they know the truth because
you tell them about the government. You talk about the FBI.
You know how powerful United States is the United States government?
It's like Trump. You see how fast Trump can get
(06:19):
seven hundred troopils or whoever he won marine down there
in downtown and look what area because he's a president
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I guess I always viewed puff as being one of
the untouchables, But all of a sudden he's touchable, Which
makes me wonder who else is a sole inventor of
this type of behavior you were around? Who are the names?
Can you start helping make some change? Give me names?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, this is how you gotta look at It's not
the fact that people's untouchable or not untouchable. Right now,
they can snatch your happiness if you let them patrol you.
But if you following God, can nobody snatch your happiness.
I've been in prison ten and a half years. They
ain't had a bad deal yet, right, that's only because
of God, and I got good people, you know on
(07:06):
the streets. Right. But this is the thing. Let's get
to the facts. That's about rebuilding the industry. If we
really care about the culture of hip hop and where
should go. Let's get the truth. Let's put these people
on the stand.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Tell me some of the truth. Should tell me who
should take the stand.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They shouldn't let Capricorn walk the way they let her walk,
because if you look at it, if you look at Capricorn,
you're going to be said, okay, okay, kat you trying
to tell me. I'm not saying it's not true. Puffy
threatened you and you didn't tell me. What type of
bitch is you? They know who at the players are.
(07:42):
Get all those people on the stand, let them tell
their truth and work out some type of deal.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Somebody has to start naming them. They're not gonna take
the stand themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Oh no, but you don't. But they can name them.
First of all. You gotta look at it like this,
just the United States, just the government you think those
da that worked for the FBI work in the United
States of America. They don't have the resources, they don't
have to knowledge not to get it done. They listening
to us right now as we speak. They probably watching me,
(08:13):
and they probably can tell you. I'm shut certain as
right now. See how many times I've been working out.
So this is the United States of America, powerful people, right,
So start like this. Every person around them has been corrupted.
I'm gonna tell you what I know, and I'm gonna
ask you what you know even if you take and
I ain't picking on reg Jie, I think they should
look out for rage.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I asked Raj at the end of last year, was
he a part of any of it? And he told
me no.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you're trying to say you never seen Puffy and
ray J together your like your whole career.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I saw them together a lot now, you.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Know as well as I know. When you've seen ray
J with Puffy? Was he acting like Brandy's little brother?
Was he being Raj? Or was he being one of
Puppy's people? You tell me? Did I tell you what
I know?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think everybody around Diddy knows that Diddy is the one,
it's in charge.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, and so it's a whole bunch of suck. It
ain't what else going on. But look, I'm gonna tell
you like this, and I'm gonna take up for ray
Jae because Ray Jae is going through a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Because didn't he spend it on you a bit and
say you were doing it?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
One thing, I've never got a dressing proved. One I'm black. Two,
I'm a man, Three am a man of God. And
four love me in the world. Everybody knows. Yeah, everybody
know what I do. And I do love you. You
got all the juice in the world. But at the
same time, I'm a man. I'm a man that loves
beautiful women, right, I do know.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I know that I've seen you through the years.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, I'm not gonna put my penis in a woman.
But I'm not even nicking on a woman. But so
if I ain't gonna if I ain't gonna put my
opinions in a woman, but what makes you think I'm
gonna put my opinions in a man's ass?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So in regards to Tupac's shooting, you were in the car.
We all know that Keithy came forward and said that
Puff offered a million bucks to take him out. We
know that Zip is gone. They can't maybe trace the money,
I guess, is what's going on in that situation? And
Keethy was in the backseat? And is all that true?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, Before I can get to that part, you see,
they don't got KVD at Puppy's trial over.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Stead, Why when Keithy d got taken in, I was
expecting that charge to come up in the indictment in
all honesty.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, well, okay, so look, let's let's break it down.
Let me let me walk you through it. Okay. Now,
first of all, Puff is from New York. He come
on the West Coast. People pretty much figured that. You know,
they think they called New York the Red Apple, but
(10:56):
in reality, the West Coast is the Red Apple. So
the red apples already in somebody's hands taking a big
bite off that apple. Have no choice but to day
with the lady and the devil in the blue dress,
you know. So Puff goes to recruit the people who
(11:17):
wear blue. Now it's a guy named James who moved
to my neighborhood, like in nineteen eighty two. He started
living in kepd's neighborhood, his baby mother and wife there,
his best friends with gpd's wife or baby mama or
whatever this case may be. I'm not all in the
(11:39):
politics of that. WHOHI he personally heard, he personally seen
Jane Jamee's personally seen Puffy talking to KD them in
their neighborhood about putting money on Tupac and on me.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's one thing, right, Why was his hatred so deep
for you in Park?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, I think it started with Tupac first.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
There's rumors out there that they were there was potentially
more than a friendship between them.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Is that true between Pokin Diddy? Was there anything going
on their relationship wise?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm gonna tell you like this, I had to be
with if I wasn't winning twenty four, twenty four hours
out the day. We talked all through the day, all
through the night. I ain't never seen PC talking about
messing with a man, want to mess with a man?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So the people that are saying that are capping.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, you know, you gotta realize what game have them?
You got this? What you gotta realize. You got the
people who do something in life and did something in life,
and you got the people who never did them in life.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, who go on podcasting gossip if you do.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Your well, you know, well that's a new that's a
new thing of the gossip because you don't get some
person in the podcast and say, hey, should night mess
though with three hundred million? Four hundred million after not true? Right,
but say if that is true, you call yourself a
game or you call yourself on a podcast. You you
wish me to a bench, try to press a bitch
and tell them stuff about me. Right, But at the
(13:00):
end of the day, you got to look at it
like this, twenty years of their career, twenty years of
their career trying to make money. I was spending a
hundred times more than that I was spending twenty I
was spending ten million in twenty minutes. These dudes in
twenty years probably make fifty grand. So all this extra
(13:24):
talking they talk on these shows, they're the weirdos. Back
to the reality of the facts. Let's take this, let's
take this time. Let's fix some things. Let's see we
don't got to be funny and clown you know, now.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Let's fix it, straighten it up for people. That's what
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Now let's go to the part of this and reason
why I brung up rain J. I got love for
ray J. I don't care for what ray Jay say.
You know, at the end of the mother the day
you know ray J say is lost. We need help.
So let's not pick on ray J. But at the
same time, how they go from ray Z being with
him all the time, spending the night with him and
(14:03):
never ever gets poened A coat of court. You got
capricorn on the stands Now I got a forty five
bullet into my skull and the doctor told me they
can't remove because if the go another EDS, I'll be
dead or vescible. But now a cook a cop say
it's just a forty it's not a forty five. That's
(14:25):
news to me. He probably knows less he heading out
the guns. I don't know how you know more than
what the doctor killed me. The man you do. Now
back to the facts of the matter. When you look
at the when I got shot, they blamed me for
thirty years. It cost me my freedom, cost me mind
cumpany in a way, it cost me my freedom again.
(14:47):
This time if somebody hit me with an iron pipe
and they got a video on it, I don't worry
about it. They'll say nothing happened. It doesn't happen to
these people. I can get shot seven times in one open,
they got all on video, they could do a song
about it. Do anything happens? Absolutely not. What she's gonna
look at is were talking about Puffy situation. We're talking
(15:10):
about Loud of the Vega situation. You talking about Tupac,
you talking about me, you talk about Puffy, You tell
my bad Boy, you tell about death. Bro, let's start there, Biggie,
all of it and all of.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The stories that have been told. What is a piece
of the truth that nobody knows? Can you tell me
one piece of truth? Then nobody knows about that whole era.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm gonna tell you the truth that nobody knows. First
of all, you gotta remember one thing. We always friends,
number one. Yeah, Now that's very important. But we all
needed each other. Yeah, because as a whole, we made
the entry exciting. Yep, we made us work harder. Because
(15:52):
at the end of the day, if I was known
for making superstars and dropping albums, Puffy was to make
a single better than anyone. And you gotta get that
to him, because this motherfucker I'm gonna take a single,
we go off as Biggie or what else, and he
gonna hop his ass to have mother fucking videos. He's
gonna put that little, tight little suit on it and
(16:12):
he's gonna pop it. Right. Yeah, I'm gonna make my
artists as far and never ever being in video. I'm not.
I'm not gonna pop it. I'm not gonna do all
it because it's about film. Gave all the stock in
death Row and ask one of.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Them, so, so where tell me? They tell me that?
Tell me where it first goes wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I think it went wrong because of the people in
the industry and not us. I called a meeting for
all of us. I said, hey, and this is a
meeting in my This is meeting in the prime of everything.
I said, you know, they got six contributors. We don't
got to say it disturbed by death bro. We don't
(16:56):
got the serious and said disturbed by a bad boy
or whoever. We don't gonna do none of that, right,
I said, this is what we do.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You didn't need them, You didn't need that. They were
taking the money and you didn't need to give them
that cut.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Period, didn't need them. So so so I told everybody,
I said, look all my artists, I'm giving them their
own label. I gave Stoop, you're gonna have your own label.
Park you got your own label. Dog for everybody having
your own label.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So in that in that meeting, what was the agreement?
Why did why did it go wrong?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So this is would happened? We all in this meeting,
and I said, look, I don't got to do this
by myself. It could be some we ship. So this
is what we're gonna do. We control the industry because
so then they have a hit song of breaking new
artists then need to track. Why want of our producers?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, they needed all artists got.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It and they needed they needed this, right. I think
what we're gonna do is we're gonna have a distribution
company and we're gonna call it a Lucky seven. The
Lucky seven is gonna get all the talent and distriver
our own ship. So Puffy raised his hand like he's
in class. He said, cause I talked, I said, go ahead.
(18:05):
He looked. He says, I'm not worried about the white
people that we can see. I'm worried about the wolves
gonna pull up on our on our front yard, and
those pickup trucks and talking about burning um signs in
the yard.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He's worried about the white men coming up and pickup trucks,
harassing us, telling them we can't do it. I said, well,
you take your Martin Luther king as on out of
here and have a dream. The wars who want to
be like macaolm x and all I means necessary, Let's
stay and talk.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So that divided the coasts.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That divided everything, and that turned everything to making Hill
night to the industry most wanted. M hm.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, So let me fast forward a tiny bit. Now
we get into the higher stake of there's weapons, there's hatred,
there's people being murdered. It's getting out of control. I
understand that that's where the bad blood starts. How does
it elevate to the next levels, which are way more crazy?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Is it over?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Masters?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Is it over? Girls?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
What is it over?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
They played every person against everyone, So it starts like this,
the white men dead right when we had the biggest
peace treaty on the West coast. I can't speak to
anyone else. I'm born raised out here right on the
West coast. We have one of the biggest peace treaties
ever with all the different neighborhoods, the game members and
everyone after Rodney King got his asked with the riots, right, yeah,
(19:44):
the share especially the ones encountered. They will go in
their own personal cars and drive up shoot that different
game member as far as sometimes shoot a game member
and how another game members neighborhood and that certain neighborhood
would go back and do something to the other neighborhood
they thought came and shot at him, but it was
(20:06):
always the police. So now we has it in the industry.
They pulled a lot of guys and you don't need
to times people call me in the meet and say, hey,
you make average like you say Puffy makes sing this,
you make superstars. Now we can't say Biggie wasn't one
of the best rappers you ever do it, but the
did between Biggie and Tupac, Biggie was probably that were
(20:29):
the best ever ever. Tystomc to rhyme.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Superstar in the industry ever because Biggy can go on
stage and rap for an hour. Yeah, he's gonna be
sweating because he wrapping his ass off. Tupac gonna come
on the stage before we say.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
One word, everyone's gonna lose their shit.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
They're gonna lose they see. It's gonna be real pennies.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
On the mother for the stage, real pennies whole as.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I ain't telling no plenty with peenis Prince the
I'm talking about real.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'll still take them off to this day.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Right, That's what up toubou.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So that was that, right, Okay, So the people above, y'all,
the white men you couldn't see, were getting their hands
messy in it. And it sounds like there were street
dynamics in gang things that were involved in it too.
But it wasn't necessarily at It wasn't necessarily y'all at
the forefront of it. It was a lot of other
players that were making tensions rise.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, you got maybe one thing. Let's also go back
to you in facts, the cricket cops destroyed hip hop.
So at first everybody was just using their homies. Come on,
we're going on tour, we going to this club. So
now you're gonna take your homies because you want them
to eat, you want to get them a job, you
want them to make some money. Right as you go
(21:48):
up to the club. Drive to the club with just
your homies, the police pulling you over, the cookie cops
and they taking people to the gem. Right. So later
on these same Criokiet cops come here and say, hey.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Who are the crooked cops working for?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
At this point, well the cookeet Countain. Is this Reggie
Wright Jr? On our side?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
No I know, But who Who's whose interests are they
working for?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
They working for the interest of the money for themself.
So this is how you got to look at it.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Okay, So whoever is whoever's filling their pocket?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Right? So now this is the thing, right, So once again,
so now you got to cook the caps supposed to
be the one carrying the gun towards making sure they
down harass us that the police. I was smartest to
say that a cop did with a cop. So you know,
the homie going say, what's going on? You know? The
police show us back and talk to the police. The
only problem that became was I said this, and I
(22:43):
gotta get this guy. I was wrong on one thing.
Last time I spoke on something. I said, hey, Jean
and Birkburg, who's reads his friends? Yeah, Jean said, no,
it wasn't him. Jean said it was Paul who was
head of security for Bad Boys, Right, Okay, yeah, when
(23:06):
you go back and you when you go back and
you check out boxes every time something happened, the Crookeet
pops the cooker Caps in portrayed us like that, like
the FBI infiltrated the black pants is back in the
day cookie Caps and traded their hit coops.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, okay, I get what I get where you're going
with this. Let me let me ask you something. Who
wins when Puck and Biggie die? Who wins? Who had
the biggest wins on those deaths?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Let's tell you who wins. Well, the major Lutivities sales
go to the roof the croocket Caps because they got
paid to participate and make sure you go down. And
then if you notice, when you when two of the
most powerful artists.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
In the industry, people in the world, but all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The other artists all hire more security. Now you I
don't care if this at this whoever, you can pick
any ord as it is on the East coast, on
the West coast, down south, midwest, whatever, Right, every time
somebody get killed, if somebody gets shined, everybody hire more security.
(24:19):
Every time somebody get killed, somebody gets shined, the majors
make more money and they use that for excuse. So
if you if you somebody say you little Lane, what
I'll tell you what. Probably two of the bands really
young of the out is NBA Young Boy and Tory Lane. Right,
so say you those two guys. The minute you get
(24:42):
in trouble, and they think you get in trouble, that
give them a reason not to give you the big bag.
They should get these guys a half of being in dollars.
They Chiclo Dodo in their office and say, you know what,
matter of fact, kids are being dollars. You deserve that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So everything is coming down to mass ownership and money.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
But you're missing the point. You got to understand something.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
What's the point I'm missing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
The point you missing is is it's problems in the industry.
Big got excuse not to give you guys getting the
dollars because nobody want to deal with you guys because
it's gonna be shooting, we're gonna be fighting, and it's
gonna be arrested. But they said we're gonna do you
a favorite and to use some small money where they
should give these young guys being the dollars. Do you
(25:26):
know much money they make for everything out of music?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, so no, I do, I do. So let me
let me let me ask you this question when you
go when you look at Ditty's trial, because these were
a lot of people talking in the streets around the
time all this started occurring. Is this person potentially and listen,
all the things that are being testified to are being
testified to. This is a real trial with real victims
that are alleging things. However, I wanted to ask you,
(25:52):
is there a bigger system at play that maybe wanted
to take his power from him? Or is this just
solely all based on his behavior alone in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
No, it's well, the facts of it exist. They wanted
to take his power from him. They could have been
took his power. And you got to member one thing,
you gotta look at my situation.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, they did show they have I.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Know, but I'm going to tell you this how it starts.
I haven't did that one thing to have universal or
in his scope for anyone else. Give my masters. I
didn't do anything illegal or anything wrong, even when even
when the Harriss lied and said they're ancing to do
with my company that was proven. They didn't. They got nothing.
(26:38):
They gave Melia Harris because my lawyer, who represented all
the same people did shook the court one day. Now
look at the make a picture of all the whole situations.
All of a sudden, they've been doing the step Puffy
been doing. They told him, I'm gonna ask you a question.
You incredible singer. You got a great voice, betting the
(26:59):
most anyone. You beautiful woman, you can pants, you got rhythm,
you got the voids, and you gained about your shit right.
Why do you think they didn't let you to be
the biggest artist that anyone could be.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Because I stood up to Puff, I told people how
it was.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I didn't allow myself to be taken advantage of when
they wanted me to fuck around and do the funny behavior,
I said no, I left, I didn't participate, and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I was not system friendly. I never have been. In
every single experience I've had after that, I'm always getting
a bad hand because I just am not willing to
play the game of the system. However, for some reason,
they've been able to make me enough of a joke
that I'm able to stay around and keep talking and
saying what I have to say, which is truth. But
(27:50):
because Puff fired me and said I was promiscuous, raunchy,
bad for business on national television as a kid, the
whole world kind of looks at me in a way
where like, oh, we don't really take her seriously. That
I kind of got away with staying in a lane
that was comfortable enough to where I could still say
what the fuck it is? But I'm not being killed
over it because I don't really have as much power
(28:11):
because they made sure that I never get as much
power as it would take from my voice to really
matter period.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now I feel bad for you, but I feel great
for you because me too, because you steal who you are. Now,
just what I want to say. Yeah, if they really
were trying to get Puffy right, has anybody call him
puppy on?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Know?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Why? Listen? Anybody was trying to get him right, the
prosecution would have been sitting outside your resident would a
sub penic if you understand right. They would have showed
that he was this beautiful woman who have all the
talent in the world, and they even blackness her right.
(28:57):
So why do you think that in these women regard
there was Cassie or or Capricorn or whoever, any of
those motherfuckers. Right for the Asian girl, fifty cents, baby
mama whatever. Right if they told the trip a triple
Bob Puffy, they probably only to be able to get
a McDonald's child because nobody in the industry will never
(29:17):
hire them again. So basically, that's the power of racketeering.
That's the power of controlling people with violence, our threats
or money or distortion. They're not trying to get these
this man because this man gave too much through the system.
You had sixty seconds remaining, I'm gonna call you red back.
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