January 26, 2021 • 33 mins
Oscar winner and bestselling author Matthew McConaughey comes to the Table with his mother for an exclusive, intimate conversation about his childhood and career. And then a big surprise for Matthew – a reunion 30 years in the making!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, fam, I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the
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I Heart Radio. Please don't forget to rate and review
on Apple Podcast. On this Red Table Talk. We've got
a superstar coming to the table. I'm so excited. His
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name is Matthew mcconna. Hey. His life defining stories. When
I first threatened to run away from home, my parents
packed my bags for me, His parents volatile relationship. Dad
flipped the dining room table into the ceiling, got up
and began to stalk Mom. I really want to know
how you were able to break these cycle, his fairy
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tale romance, What it was about her that you knew
that she was the one? And that's a love story
from all Man and an RTT exclusive. I was not
able to talk to her as my mom for about
eight years. The woman who raised him, Matthew's mother, her
husband died. Making up to me, I worked him out
a big boy Where you are plus a surprise reunion
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thirty years in the making. Alright, r t T fan,
We've got a superstar coming to the table. His name
is Mston McConn. I'm excited about that. He's a husband,
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a father, an Oscar winner, and now he can add
best selling author to his list of accomplishments. Two and
a half years ago, Matthew went into what he calls
solitary confinement in the desert and he spent weeks alone
without electricity, sifting through thirty six years of personal journals
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to write his new book. He calls it a love
letter to life, and I gotta say it is one
of those books that is full of gems and a
lot of revelations. Matthew, what's happened in their best selling
author right that? Now you're like on the top of
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every list. It was great. It's just good of a
reception as I could have hoped. Yeah, we were talking
about your book as a family. An idea that really
sparked for us was breaking familial cycles, cycles that need
to be broken. I mean it's taken me for what
twenty years, you know, like kind of break my own
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familial cycles, you know, within my family, within my relationship.
I disagree with that though with me. Yeah, sorry, Matthew,
about to have a family moment here real quickly. And
what we're um certainly, and how you've raised your children. Yeah,
I definitely was able to break that cycle. Ignot rociate
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on on the Yeah, on the cycle breakers and you've
created because that was a huge, you know, difference, because
I raised you the way Mommy raised me, but you
did something totally different. But it did and was learning
while you were doing it. Back to you, Matthew, and
I'm taking notes of it and writing things down. I
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really want to know how you were able to break
those cycles, because from what I understand, your parents had
a really intense relationship, the way that they loved each other.
Matthew's parents were locked in a volatile, sometimes physically violent relationship.
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His book green Lights starts with an incident between mom
and dad in their kitchen. Sure you want more potatoes,
fat man, she barked, look at you, fat billion years. Sure,
eat up, fat man, she yapped, as she scraped overwhelming
amounts of mat potatoes on his plate. That was it.
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Dad flipped the dining room table into the ceiling, got
up and began to stalk Mom. She ran to the
wall mounted telephone on the other side of the kitchen
to call nine one one. As he closed in, Mom
grabbed the handheld into the phone off the wall mountain
raked it across his brow. Dad's nose was broken. Blood
was everywhere. Mom then ran to the cabin and pulled
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out a twelve inch chef's knife, then squared off at him.
Come on, batman, I'll cut you from your nuts to
your gulliver. A little five year old Matthew hit behind
the couch and sphere. Seconds later, they moved towards each
other and met in an animal embrace. They dropped to
their knees, then to the bloody catchup cover linolean kitchen
floor and made love. A red light turned green. M
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it sounds like to me that you wanted to do
the your relationship with your wife a bit differently. Let
me stop by saying this. I maintained much more then
I broke the chain of how my parents. I have
different means with which I communicate with my wife and
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my mom and dad did the way my mom and
dad communicated. I always tell stories of sort of discipline
or even fights that my parents had as my greatest
love stories in our family. I think the reason I
do that is that those were the times where the
the love and our family where it seems like it
was being challenged the most and it might break, but
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it never had a chance. You know, my mom and dad,
we had a very passionate relationship. Twice divorced, thrice married,
well once again the loved one. If the love would
want it would have been twice married, thrice divorced. The
love ended up winning three. A lot of times it
was like I love you, I just don't like you
right now. The love was never in question. My mom,
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to this day, who's eighty eight, with her middle finger
that goes won't, won't, won't, won't won't because it's been
broken four times, because she's banged my dad in the
head until he'd go didn't stop it. She picked those fights,
and she to this day would say, that's what I
needed to communicate, That's what I needed to communicate. Now
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I go, well, I'm bad. I don't need that. Glad
my wife doesn't need that. But hey, that's how y'all roll.
My mom and dad, their relationship was like hurricane in
the Pacific. I'll take a river with a few rapids.
My threshold for like well and I catched myself is
if I even raised my voice in our household, I
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immediately have alarmed that goes off and says, all right, mccannae,
what did you not handle getting to this point that
you had to raise your for your father? And I
would like that too. We were very conscious of not
raising our voices. I would always try you were upset
because you got real quiet, Yes exactly, it would just
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get real quiet, and I'd be like, Okay, they're really
getting into it now. Yeah. So it's so funny Matthew
that you use your voice be your barometer. Yeah, the
tone of it. Yeah, I've got a pretty quick threshold
for that, and I'm not perfect at it, but I
do at least start doing inventory very quickly if I
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get to where maybe my remark will be sharp, right,
you know, and I'll go okay, um, all right, mr cool,
what do we've not handled getting to this point where
we had to get? You know? The other thing is
I have different means with which I am still the
same values and my children then my parents did in me.
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They were from a different era too. It was the
era of if you're a kid, and you asked why
it was because I said so exactly. Yeah, we're not
talking about this. This is not up for discussion. Because
I'm your parent, I said so the end. And in
our family, you didn't get grounded if you've got in
trouble because, as my mom always said, that would be
taking your time away from you in time as your
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removed valuable asset. It's a binge your bat over. I'm
gonna whoop your butt. Matthew's parents believed in teaching their
kids lessons with tough love and an occasional whooping. I
got whipped unto my butt bled for putting on a
cracker Jack tattoo when I was ten years old. When
I first threatened to run away from home, my parents
packed my bags for me. I learned to swim when
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my mom threw me in the Lanto River and I
was either going to float off the rocky waterfall thirty
yards downstream or make it back to the bank. I
made it to the bank. There was nothing fictitious about
the love, though the love was real, bloody sometimes, but
never in question. I never got injured, but I do
remember the values that were instilled in me from the
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butt whoopen. I got my first one for not answering
to my name. I got my second one for saying
the word I can't instead of saying I'm having trouble.
I got my third butt whooping for lying and my
fourth for saying I hate you to my brother. So
what I remember is that those four times I got
in trouble, I earned it, and the reasons I got
in trouble were answer to your name. Love. Don't hate,
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have trouble doing something? But does say can't tell the truth,
don't lie. I'll even go so far as to say this.
I remember one night I got in trouble from my
dad for lying. And all your kids out there. If
you get home and you one of your parents is
on the phone awake when they would be asleep, and
they asked you, did you steal pizza tonight? It means
they know you did, But I said no, I don't think.
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So he gave me two chance, pree chance, the fourth chance,
and I lied again. I got it back in. What
I remember that is the tears in my dad's eyes
because he was broken hearted that his dog one son
couldn't tell him the truth. It wasn't about the stolen pizza,
was about you lied to me son. That broke his heart,
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hurt him a whole more than that back end hurt
me like he would wouldn't being a good enough dad
if you had taught me where I couldn't. Son, can't
even tell me the damn truth about stealing the damn pizza. No,
when I was disrespecting him. What he was trying to
teach you is that and you're disrespecting yourself. Yeah, that
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was one of the rules in our house with the kids.
It was like, you tell me you're not go get
in trouble, but if you lie to me, it's gonna
be hell to pay. I had a couple. I had
a couple of hell to pays. I tried it. Yeah,
you did. Try me. I tried. I tried both of everybody.
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I was the tryer. You're are you a scorpio, Matthew
Am So this is okay the scorpios that I know,
all right, you seem very chill. You seem like you
seem like super chill. You're not. You're not a try
or you know what I mean. But me, I was
trying my parents every chance that I got. Well, yeah, yea,
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your scorpio as well. I mean, look, my thing is
scorpios always equated to the incredible hull. Remember that show,
you know, Messed With Bill Bixby. One time he says, no,
thank you, I don't want to fight messed with him.
Two times I says please, I said I don't want
to fight messed with him. The third time he turns
green and doesn't just get even, he gets way ahead.
Yeah that's a scorpio. That's a scorpio for you. Yeah.
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I go about sort of teaching my children differently. I
do have longer conversations with my children about things and why, um,
you know how that goes. Sometimes that suns rising the
next day you're like, are we still here? Sometimes to
get to that point, you know what, just because I
said so, that's it, and I can get out lasted.
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At times they were like, we wish we wouldn't have
made them ask why so much? There there's too many questions.
There many questions. And I also was very clear for
any time I got in trouble, I was like, yep, guilty.
I never judged my parents for how they treat each other,
how they raised us. Yeah, that is really that's really
interesting because so many of us will judge our parents,
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so many of us will blame our parents for you know,
if you hadn't done that, maybe I wouldn't be as
crazy as if I chose not to say, oh, I
was victimized better situation. I do not deny that situation
that I may have been in, but it's up to
me to choose if from victim mind right now, that's
real talk, it really is. You know, like if people like, well,
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you were in a violent home with your mom and dad,
you should feel this way and and you know you
should talk about it this way and blah blah blah,
and it's like, yeah, I don't think that's the world's
right to put that on us. So is it possible
we can bring your mom out? The woman that they
call k mac mac has been over in the wings.
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Here come hot and feisty, and may scoot me out
of the frank. Though Matthew and his mother had difficulties
at times, like a good old Southern boy and a
great son, he never lost admiration for his mother. She's
a true baller. She's beat two types of cancer on
nothing more than ashburn and denial. She's a woman that says,
I'm gunna before she can, I would before she could,
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and I'll be there before she's invited. She's eighty eight
now and seldom do I go to bed after her
or wake up before her. Come on, girls, some young
lookod now which one's which? Come on, that's my mother?
Where is my daughter? Uh? Huh? And that's my mommy
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and I'm her mommy. Okay, So you've got three generations.
We got three generations. So you've been quarantined and with
the family. How has that been going. You've been with
Matthew and the whole gang the last seven months? Well,
it's been it's been really really lovely. I'm enduring so
much being around my grandchildren, and I'm very, very comfortable
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with them. They're very Matthew is a very good son.
I tell him that all the time. He's good to me.
Matthew was really easy to raise. I mean he really was.
He would listen to me and sometimes he wouldn't want
to discuss it with me, you know, and that only
went so far because he's good at trying you to
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change your mind, you know what I mean, He works
at it. Yes, Hey, I'm gonna give myself some credit
raising him, right, So credit. How are you different as
a grandmother than you were as a mother, because I
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know I was different, No, no different. I think those
grandchildren the same as I did my kids. You know,
they have they have respect for me and don't smart
off to me. Now that the older to have, But
the younger one did and it didn't turn out where
you know what, the miss came back. Let me tell
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you this one. My mother was the same way. She
doesn't let me have it many times. She didn't play
with her grandkids either, So I completely yes, I wouldn't
say get away with things with me. You know, they
can't play one against the other. Whatever their parents say,
that's what they're gonna do. I mean, I I have
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I respect their parents for raising them the way they do,
and I don't spoil them at all. When my mother
became a grandmother and she came around and really helped
me with the kids, any unresolved issues or pain that
was between us really got healed in me being able
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to watch my mother as a grandmother. Because she was
a young mom, so she had me at seventeen and
she had some drug abuse issues probably my entire child
for my entire childhood, so I didn't really get a mother,
but I got to see her as a mother to
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me as an adult and as a grandmother, right, It
really created this beautiful healing component between us. You and
I had had a rough passion about eight years right
after I got famous, but we healed that up back
in two thousand and four. As soon as I got famous,
after Time to Kill, I started to having my weekly
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Sunday call home to call my mother, get car be Sunday.
Mother wasn't answering the phone. A fan of my fame
was answering the phone. I was trying to find my
own balance with with fame and stuff. And I would
share things with her, and you know, to whatever amount
of innocence it was, I can now come, we can
now completely laugh at it. But some of those things
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I would share might show up in the six o'clock
news three days later. Um, for instance, hard copy. I'ming
home at my beach house. Uh, and I got a
buddy calls me and goes, hey, are you watching this?
Because watching what he does? Put it on channel four
whatever it was. And here's a camera going through our bedroom.
Mom's leading the camera gonna and there's the bed where
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I caught him with Michelle. You know, I think we'll
be able because he didn't last over here's the bathroom,
and of course I walked in him on there and
caught him doing you know what before as well. But
don't worry about snow, big deal, and I'm going, holy mom,
I call her up. Of course she's watching it too,
so she picks up the phone and I hear the
same damn show in the background, like, what are you
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talking about? What do you mean? What am I talking about?
I'm watching the same damn thing you are. You've got
a hard copy, you know, in my bedroom. She goes like, oh,
that got that, and she goes, I didn't think you'd
find out. I didn't know. So there was years there
where I would not share things with her because I was,
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you know, again, finding my own balance, building my own ship.
And I was like, look, my loose lips will sink ships.
There are a lot of people that would like to
know these things that it's none of their business. I
was not able to talk to her as my mom
for about eight years, and then I got my career
stabilized enough, my boat was built well enough where I
didn't feel like she could sink it, and then I
just took the reins off and said, Mom, hit that
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red carpet. Talk to all of them, Tell them all
those stories you want, and she's been great about it
ever since. So that's beautiful. You know, it's such a trip, Matthew,
because I know I had to tell my mom. I
was like stot Would all asking everybody for pictures. I know,
she like Listen Will's family, they get to take pictures
with whoever, they whoever they want to take pictures with.
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But this one right here was like, don't you dad,
don't you dad as anybody for a picture. Yeah, I
have no pictures because at the time, I was just like,
you know, people want their times, right, and I didn't
understand that. I definitely understand it. Though, I definitely understand.
It doesn't mean I don't want the pictures, but I
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do understand. Yeah, I was enduring his fame more than
he was. I guess, yeah, absolutely, you know, aren't we proud, Yeah,
we're proud, but we also don't understand that it's such
hard work for them. And then just being like on
in the spotlight all the time. I have to agree
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with you, k that I enjoyed her spotlight way more
than I did. Yeah, And I was like, you're not
going to this event like that? Why you could be one?
You could be doing still like that that we need
to go ahead, like you cant the carpet. Come on,
let's go. You got Mike, We'll hook up and go
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on the red carpet together, Miss kay. Can we talk
about the three times to man? Yeah, please explain that
I've been married four times, but four different men. She's
been married to the same man. Oh lord, that'd be
a hard adjustment at least getting into his mother, let
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his father boss her around, tell her what to do,
how to vote. Uh no, it was awful, and he
wanted me to be that way. And I'm a Yankee.
I'm from Jersey and uh he's he's from this New Orleans.
And it was just too much for me. And so
when he started trying to change me, um, I got
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mad and I left. Then the next time was the
same thing. We did have a spirited married Jess. But
the third time we got married, it was when we
had Matthew. We would fight. It doesn't go up, army.
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You don't have to good up years, you know, And
so I would do that. Yes, I I was pretty feightty, yes,
but you know, one I have to say that there
had to have been a lot of love between the
two of you too, have gone through those breakups coming
back together to get married three because, let me tell you,
gave me over here was like, if I'm gonna get
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divorce and find me a new one. I never really
had the desire to go back to a husband that
I had divorced. Yeah, well, I have to say that
I never stopped loving him. No and so and you
don't only died, don't you. My husband died making up
to me, right. And I remember saying, you know when
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you when he fell back, I said, worked him out,
a big boy, I wear you out. And here's no response,
no response, and I'm thinking, oh my god, something's wrong.
So I run across the street to my dry brew
and my neighbor, and I said, something's wrong. Something's wrong.
I don't know what it is. And I had no
idea that it was too much. It's hard to stop.
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You know. We had a party for him, kind of
a celebration of his life. Yeah, and I said, hey, well,
I'm telling you how he talks to my own son,
but to some a bitches, I can give ten years
your life to go the way my pop did. I
just love you. I think you're a joy. I just
want to have your spunk and your and your everything,
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your fire. Well, you girls are all beautiful, my gosh,
and you don't age mom. Thank you. I've been hearing
that all my life. I told her, she gave me
some of that. You've got good genes. You're fine, I hope, so,
I hope. So bye, thank you, thank you. I love her.
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She's Fantasticory, I got a couple of words in there.
You did get a couple of words in them, Matthew
parlaid on the back end of that beautiful freight chain. Yes,
now you were raised with brothers. But now so you
have two boys and and a daughter. How is it
different raising your daughter than it is raising your Son's
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good question? And I'm still finding that out. Mind your mind.
Her twelve in and seven, so we haven't hit those
wonderful teen years. Good look, Matthew. From me, bro, there
is a different I mean, I'm still learning the different
ways of having a daughter is having sons. My daughter's ten.
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But she has a way that the other that the
boys don't. I don't know how much of her way
or how much how much of it's just a female way.
I don't have to explain. She'll get it. She'll come
up to me and talk to me and put a
hand on me or and on my back, or ask
me a question, and she's talking to me about how
I feel. And I didn't have to say a word.
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The wonderful good luck charm for me, just one little
tidbit right now, because this does have to do with
father daughter love across space and time and dimensions. Interstellar
changed my life forever. I just have to say it.
After I watched it, I started studying physics. I've been
studying physics for about five years now and it is
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one of the deepest loves of my life. And that
movie sparked it. So I just want to say thank
you for that. Thank you, happy for that. Yeah, we're
bringing that daughter to physics. We gotta talk to you
just a little bit about your beautiful wife and what
it was about her that you knew that she was
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the one. Matthew met Brazilian model Camilla Alvez in two
thousand and six. Two kids and six years later, Matthew
proposed on Christmas Day. The gorgeous couple was married on
June night, two thousand and twelve in Austin, Texas, just
months before Camilla gave birth to their youngest son. I'm
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not a club guy. On this particular night, I was
a club guy. I'm sitting at a at a club
on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, healthily single, and I'm holding
court at this table maker Margarite is and this figure
about twenty ft in front of me, moving from my
right to left, this caramel shoulders and the soft turquoise
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sort of silk dress hanging off of it. Without even
thinking about it, I didn't say who is that? I said,
what is that? Okay? And then as she went and
sat down my hands raised. I'm trying to get her attention.
And as I'm getting her attention with trying to get
attention with my right hand, I hear my mother's voice
in this year, going, boy, get your ass up. This
is not the kind of woman you wave across the room. Yes, ma'am,
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I'm going right. So I got up, went over. The
music was playing. I spoke better Portuguese and Spanish that
night than I ever have since I fortunate. I asked
her or she wanted to come back to the house
to have some drinks with me and my friends. She said, no,
I can't do that, but thanks for the invite. I
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walked her out to her car and caught a green light.
You know what that green light was? Her car had
been towed. That's right, that's my goodness. So now, um,
you know, come on back and have a drink with
me and friends. Okay, we go back, we all stay
up a while. Um, I give you the guest bedroom
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at the end of the hallway, and I go to
my bedroom. I snuck down to that room twice that night.
I got kicked out very clearly both times. Now we
get to another beautiful moment, which was something I went
and went and started going wow. The next morning, I'm
the last one up. Two friends had stayed over, and
Camilla had stayed over. I'm coming down the stairs and
I hear this laughter, the kind of laughter in conversation
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where people overlap where they've known each other for a
long time time. They're finishing each other's sentences. And I
see that same turquoise dress in the same caramel shoulders,
sitting at the kitchen bar back here, my two friends
on the other side, shirtless in the morning, and our
housekeeper ishing out pancakes, and Camilla was holding court with housekeeper.
She just met that morning and my two friends that
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she had only met for an hour the night before,
and I was like, oh, the constitution of this woman
the next morning in the same dress, none of this
adolescent walk a shame bs. No, I know what decision
I made. I stayed here. I slept in the bedroom
down there. I have my dress on from last night.
That's what I have, and I'm gonna stay here and
enjoyed this breakfast. Now I'm going to give her a
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ride home. I asked her out that night. She gives
me another great reason. What's the best reason this woman
won't go out with me tonight? It's her dad's birthday.
There we go. Family first, you damn right, lineage history, respect,
Here we go. So I got her number, come in
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for a kiss on the cheek. I turned my head,
caught about a quarter of child up, the kissed goodbye.
Three nights later she came over and we had dinner
at my house. And that's the only only woman I've
learned to date since. And uh, here we are, Matthew,
thank you for that. What of the beautiful love story?
And that's a love story from a man? I know
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that's a man love story, right, there. All right, That
ain't a little boy right there? In your book, you
wrote about a woman named Tammy who opened your eyes
to different cultures. In college, Matthew was a waiter at
the original Catfish Station in All Black Blues Bar in Austin, Texas.
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Tammy was the black and beautiful as midnight rockstar waitress
who ran the floor and had every single dude in
the joint thinking they had a chance, just so they
tipped more. None of them did have a chance, that
is me included. So all right, Matthew, we have the
little surprise for you. You haven't seen her in thirty
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five years, but we tracked her down and she's a
little something to say to you. You got me acting
all up. You know, we're supposed to be grown an
adult like you know thirty years ago. How are you doing? Wonderful?
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Look at you? You doing good too? There we are there,
we are the station, right, cat Fig Station. Oh gosh,
this is awesome. Let me tell everyone a story about
Ms Tammy. Here she's running the floor at the cat
Fish Station and the client tells about what male something
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like that. Well, when this guy comes in to say
I want to be a waiter here tam was like,
uh huh, well she teached me the ropes. She also
lets me know these are my key tables. Don't even
think about serving them, mind you. All that kientele they
wanted Tammy servant, all right, So you beat me in
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tips every single time. One time I made you sweat
though you got seventy six. I got seventy two. I
love that. Yeah. And you had a little fan club
too though, you know that, right, He took a couple
of years to work up my fan company. And the
floor well, you know you had the butt going on.
You know, you had the butt thing going on. So
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that's that's that's what that's what you're the ladies in there.
He's not telling you all the whole truth. Dr Tammy
with the truth because you know, Matthew, you can call
her Dr Tammy because she is a professor at the
University of St. Thomas in Houston and a visiting scholar
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at Rutgers University. Yes, Dr Tammy, Yes, yes, I love that.
During the pandemic, you know, that was really sort of
a pivotal moment for me in terms of my personal
green light. Right, Um, I left a career for thirteen years.
I became a doctor. Right. I actually finished my coursework
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in my dissertation and got my doctorate. You know, Matthew
was not afraid to pivot. And that's really my lesson
learned from you. Matthew. You taught me just to kind
of take those yellow lights, those red lights and turn
them into green lights. And so that's where I am.
Look at you were a bright light of my past,
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and it's so good to see again. Tammy. You didn't
even know you were in the book until the producers
told you. Oh my gosh, no, I was like, what
I mean, that was a couple of weeks ago, and uh,
I thought it was a little spam with the way
they reached out to me. But when I read it,
I'm like, okay, okay, and I am flattered, flattered that
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So I'm proud of you. I'm marveling. I mean, we
really have grown up. So just to see him, you know,
in this in this way, he's a family man, you know,
because I knew when he was single, right, so family
man tried. I tried. Everybody I tried would let me
get close. Now I tried. I love it, Dammy, thank
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you for joining us. We just thought this would be
a beautiful surprise for you, beautiful surprise for surprised. This
is my day was already going good. Now it's going great, Damny,
Love you girl, Bye bye. This was a beautiful year. Yes,
thank you so much your next time and quite enjoyed that.
Thanks for watching Interstellar and getting into physics. Well, yes,
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it's gonna stay with me forever. We just love your
book green Lights. We are so happy for your success,
and we just continue to love you and think that
you're amazing. Yeah, and for all the green lights to
come your way, Matthew. Ladies, thank you. She kept the
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name is Matthew mcconna. Hey. His life defining stories. When
I first threatened to run away from home, my parents
packed my bags for me, His parents volatile relationship. Dad
flipped the dining room table into the ceiling, got up
and began to stalk Mom. I really want to know
how you were able to break these cycle, his fairy
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tale romance, What it was about her that you knew
that she was the one? And that's a love story
from all Man and an RTT exclusive. I was not
able to talk to her as my mom for about
eight years. The woman who raised him, Matthew's mother, her
husband died. Making up to me, I worked him out
a big boy Where you are plus a surprise reunion
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thirty years in the making. Alright, r t T fan,
We've got a superstar coming to the table. His name
is Mston McConn. I'm excited about that. He's a husband,
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a father, an Oscar winner, and now he can add
best selling author to his list of accomplishments. Two and
a half years ago, Matthew went into what he calls
solitary confinement in the desert and he spent weeks alone
without electricity, sifting through thirty six years of personal journals
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to write his new book. He calls it a love
letter to life, and I gotta say it is one
of those books that is full of gems and a
lot of revelations. Matthew, what's happened in their best selling
author right that? Now you're like on the top of
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every list. It was great. It's just good of a
reception as I could have hoped. Yeah, we were talking
about your book as a family. An idea that really
sparked for us was breaking familial cycles, cycles that need
to be broken. I mean it's taken me for what
twenty years, you know, like kind of break my own
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familial cycles, you know, within my family, within my relationship.
I disagree with that though with me. Yeah, sorry, Matthew,
about to have a family moment here real quickly. And
what we're um certainly, and how you've raised your children. Yeah,
I definitely was able to break that cycle. Ignot rociate
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on on the Yeah, on the cycle breakers and you've
created because that was a huge, you know, difference, because
I raised you the way Mommy raised me, but you
did something totally different. But it did and was learning
while you were doing it. Back to you, Matthew, and
I'm taking notes of it and writing things down. I
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really want to know how you were able to break
those cycles, because from what I understand, your parents had
a really intense relationship, the way that they loved each other.
Matthew's parents were locked in a volatile, sometimes physically violent relationship.
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His book green Lights starts with an incident between mom
and dad in their kitchen. Sure you want more potatoes,
fat man, she barked, look at you, fat billion years. Sure,
eat up, fat man, she yapped, as she scraped overwhelming
amounts of mat potatoes on his plate. That was it.
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Dad flipped the dining room table into the ceiling, got
up and began to stalk Mom. She ran to the
wall mounted telephone on the other side of the kitchen
to call nine one one. As he closed in, Mom
grabbed the handheld into the phone off the wall mountain
raked it across his brow. Dad's nose was broken. Blood
was everywhere. Mom then ran to the cabin and pulled
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out a twelve inch chef's knife, then squared off at him.
Come on, batman, I'll cut you from your nuts to
your gulliver. A little five year old Matthew hit behind
the couch and sphere. Seconds later, they moved towards each
other and met in an animal embrace. They dropped to
their knees, then to the bloody catchup cover linolean kitchen
floor and made love. A red light turned green. M
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it sounds like to me that you wanted to do
the your relationship with your wife a bit differently. Let
me stop by saying this. I maintained much more then
I broke the chain of how my parents. I have
different means with which I communicate with my wife and
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my mom and dad did the way my mom and
dad communicated. I always tell stories of sort of discipline
or even fights that my parents had as my greatest
love stories in our family. I think the reason I
do that is that those were the times where the
the love and our family where it seems like it
was being challenged the most and it might break, but
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it never had a chance. You know, my mom and dad,
we had a very passionate relationship. Twice divorced, thrice married,
well once again the loved one. If the love would
want it would have been twice married, thrice divorced. The
love ended up winning three. A lot of times it
was like I love you, I just don't like you
right now. The love was never in question. My mom,
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to this day, who's eighty eight, with her middle finger
that goes won't, won't, won't, won't won't because it's been
broken four times, because she's banged my dad in the
head until he'd go didn't stop it. She picked those fights,
and she to this day would say, that's what I
needed to communicate, That's what I needed to communicate. Now
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I go, well, I'm bad. I don't need that. Glad
my wife doesn't need that. But hey, that's how y'all roll.
My mom and dad, their relationship was like hurricane in
the Pacific. I'll take a river with a few rapids.
My threshold for like well and I catched myself is
if I even raised my voice in our household, I
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immediately have alarmed that goes off and says, all right, mccannae,
what did you not handle getting to this point that
you had to raise your for your father? And I
would like that too. We were very conscious of not
raising our voices. I would always try you were upset
because you got real quiet, Yes exactly, it would just
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get real quiet, and I'd be like, Okay, they're really
getting into it now. Yeah. So it's so funny Matthew
that you use your voice be your barometer. Yeah, the
tone of it. Yeah, I've got a pretty quick threshold
for that, and I'm not perfect at it, but I
do at least start doing inventory very quickly if I
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get to where maybe my remark will be sharp, right,
you know, and I'll go okay, um, all right, mr cool,
what do we've not handled getting to this point where
we had to get? You know? The other thing is
I have different means with which I am still the
same values and my children then my parents did in me.
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They were from a different era too. It was the
era of if you're a kid, and you asked why
it was because I said so exactly. Yeah, we're not
talking about this. This is not up for discussion. Because
I'm your parent, I said so the end. And in
our family, you didn't get grounded if you've got in
trouble because, as my mom always said, that would be
taking your time away from you in time as your
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removed valuable asset. It's a binge your bat over. I'm
gonna whoop your butt. Matthew's parents believed in teaching their
kids lessons with tough love and an occasional whooping. I
got whipped unto my butt bled for putting on a
cracker Jack tattoo when I was ten years old. When
I first threatened to run away from home, my parents
packed my bags for me. I learned to swim when
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my mom threw me in the Lanto River and I
was either going to float off the rocky waterfall thirty
yards downstream or make it back to the bank. I
made it to the bank. There was nothing fictitious about
the love, though the love was real, bloody sometimes, but
never in question. I never got injured, but I do
remember the values that were instilled in me from the
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butt whoopen. I got my first one for not answering
to my name. I got my second one for saying
the word I can't instead of saying I'm having trouble.
I got my third butt whooping for lying and my
fourth for saying I hate you to my brother. So
what I remember is that those four times I got
in trouble, I earned it, and the reasons I got
in trouble were answer to your name. Love. Don't hate,
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have trouble doing something? But does say can't tell the truth,
don't lie. I'll even go so far as to say this.
I remember one night I got in trouble from my
dad for lying. And all your kids out there. If
you get home and you one of your parents is
on the phone awake when they would be asleep, and
they asked you, did you steal pizza tonight? It means
they know you did, But I said no, I don't think.
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So he gave me two chance, pree chance, the fourth chance,
and I lied again. I got it back in. What
I remember that is the tears in my dad's eyes
because he was broken hearted that his dog one son
couldn't tell him the truth. It wasn't about the stolen pizza,
was about you lied to me son. That broke his heart,
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hurt him a whole more than that back end hurt
me like he would wouldn't being a good enough dad
if you had taught me where I couldn't. Son, can't
even tell me the damn truth about stealing the damn pizza. No,
when I was disrespecting him. What he was trying to
teach you is that and you're disrespecting yourself. Yeah, that
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was one of the rules in our house with the kids.
It was like, you tell me you're not go get
in trouble, but if you lie to me, it's gonna
be hell to pay. I had a couple. I had
a couple of hell to pays. I tried it. Yeah,
you did. Try me. I tried. I tried both of everybody.
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I was the tryer. You're are you a scorpio, Matthew
Am So this is okay the scorpios that I know,
all right, you seem very chill. You seem like you
seem like super chill. You're not. You're not a try
or you know what I mean. But me, I was
trying my parents every chance that I got. Well, yeah, yea,
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your scorpio as well. I mean, look, my thing is
scorpios always equated to the incredible hull. Remember that show,
you know, Messed With Bill Bixby. One time he says, no,
thank you, I don't want to fight messed with him.
Two times I says please, I said I don't want
to fight messed with him. The third time he turns
green and doesn't just get even, he gets way ahead.
Yeah that's a scorpio. That's a scorpio for you. Yeah.
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I go about sort of teaching my children differently. I
do have longer conversations with my children about things and why, um,
you know how that goes. Sometimes that suns rising the
next day you're like, are we still here? Sometimes to
get to that point, you know what, just because I
said so, that's it, and I can get out lasted.
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At times they were like, we wish we wouldn't have
made them ask why so much? There there's too many questions.
There many questions. And I also was very clear for
any time I got in trouble, I was like, yep, guilty.
I never judged my parents for how they treat each other,
how they raised us. Yeah, that is really that's really
interesting because so many of us will judge our parents,
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so many of us will blame our parents for you know,
if you hadn't done that, maybe I wouldn't be as
crazy as if I chose not to say, oh, I
was victimized better situation. I do not deny that situation
that I may have been in, but it's up to
me to choose if from victim mind right now, that's
real talk, it really is. You know, like if people like, well,
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you were in a violent home with your mom and dad,
you should feel this way and and you know you
should talk about it this way and blah blah blah,
and it's like, yeah, I don't think that's the world's
right to put that on us. So is it possible
we can bring your mom out? The woman that they
call k mac mac has been over in the wings.
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Here come hot and feisty, and may scoot me out
of the frank. Though Matthew and his mother had difficulties
at times, like a good old Southern boy and a
great son, he never lost admiration for his mother. She's
a true baller. She's beat two types of cancer on
nothing more than ashburn and denial. She's a woman that says,
I'm gunna before she can, I would before she could,
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and I'll be there before she's invited. She's eighty eight
now and seldom do I go to bed after her
or wake up before her. Come on, girls, some young
lookod now which one's which? Come on, that's my mother?
Where is my daughter? Uh? Huh? And that's my mommy
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and I'm her mommy. Okay, So you've got three generations.
We got three generations. So you've been quarantined and with
the family. How has that been going. You've been with
Matthew and the whole gang the last seven months? Well,
it's been it's been really really lovely. I'm enduring so
much being around my grandchildren, and I'm very, very comfortable
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with them. They're very Matthew is a very good son.
I tell him that all the time. He's good to me.
Matthew was really easy to raise. I mean he really was.
He would listen to me and sometimes he wouldn't want
to discuss it with me, you know, and that only
went so far because he's good at trying you to
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change your mind, you know what I mean, He works
at it. Yes, Hey, I'm gonna give myself some credit
raising him, right, So credit. How are you different as
a grandmother than you were as a mother, because I
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know I was different, No, no different. I think those
grandchildren the same as I did my kids. You know,
they have they have respect for me and don't smart
off to me. Now that the older to have, But
the younger one did and it didn't turn out where
you know what, the miss came back. Let me tell
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you this one. My mother was the same way. She
doesn't let me have it many times. She didn't play
with her grandkids either, So I completely yes, I wouldn't
say get away with things with me. You know, they
can't play one against the other. Whatever their parents say,
that's what they're gonna do. I mean, I I have
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I respect their parents for raising them the way they do,
and I don't spoil them at all. When my mother
became a grandmother and she came around and really helped
me with the kids, any unresolved issues or pain that
was between us really got healed in me being able
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to watch my mother as a grandmother. Because she was
a young mom, so she had me at seventeen and
she had some drug abuse issues probably my entire child
for my entire childhood, so I didn't really get a mother,
but I got to see her as a mother to
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me as an adult and as a grandmother, right, It
really created this beautiful healing component between us. You and
I had had a rough passion about eight years right
after I got famous, but we healed that up back
in two thousand and four. As soon as I got famous,
after Time to Kill, I started to having my weekly
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Sunday call home to call my mother, get car be Sunday.
Mother wasn't answering the phone. A fan of my fame
was answering the phone. I was trying to find my
own balance with with fame and stuff. And I would
share things with her, and you know, to whatever amount
of innocence it was, I can now come, we can
now completely laugh at it. But some of those things
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I would share might show up in the six o'clock
news three days later. Um, for instance, hard copy. I'ming
home at my beach house. Uh, and I got a
buddy calls me and goes, hey, are you watching this?
Because watching what he does? Put it on channel four
whatever it was. And here's a camera going through our bedroom.
Mom's leading the camera gonna and there's the bed where
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I caught him with Michelle. You know, I think we'll
be able because he didn't last over here's the bathroom,
and of course I walked in him on there and
caught him doing you know what before as well. But
don't worry about snow, big deal, and I'm going, holy mom,
I call her up. Of course she's watching it too,
so she picks up the phone and I hear the
same damn show in the background, like, what are you
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talking about? What do you mean? What am I talking about?
I'm watching the same damn thing you are. You've got
a hard copy, you know, in my bedroom. She goes like, oh,
that got that, and she goes, I didn't think you'd
find out. I didn't know. So there was years there
where I would not share things with her because I was,
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you know, again, finding my own balance, building my own ship.
And I was like, look, my loose lips will sink ships.
There are a lot of people that would like to
know these things that it's none of their business. I
was not able to talk to her as my mom
for about eight years, and then I got my career
stabilized enough, my boat was built well enough where I
didn't feel like she could sink it, and then I
just took the reins off and said, Mom, hit that
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red carpet. Talk to all of them, Tell them all
those stories you want, and she's been great about it
ever since. So that's beautiful. You know, it's such a trip, Matthew,
because I know I had to tell my mom. I
was like stot Would all asking everybody for pictures. I know,
she like Listen Will's family, they get to take pictures
with whoever, they whoever they want to take pictures with.
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But this one right here was like, don't you dad,
don't you dad as anybody for a picture. Yeah, I
have no pictures because at the time, I was just like,
you know, people want their times, right, and I didn't
understand that. I definitely understand it. Though, I definitely understand.
It doesn't mean I don't want the pictures, but I
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do understand. Yeah, I was enduring his fame more than
he was. I guess, yeah, absolutely, you know, aren't we proud, Yeah,
we're proud, but we also don't understand that it's such
hard work for them. And then just being like on
in the spotlight all the time. I have to agree
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with you, k that I enjoyed her spotlight way more
than I did. Yeah, And I was like, you're not
going to this event like that? Why you could be one?
You could be doing still like that that we need
to go ahead, like you cant the carpet. Come on,
let's go. You got Mike, We'll hook up and go
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on the red carpet together, Miss kay. Can we talk
about the three times to man? Yeah, please explain that
I've been married four times, but four different men. She's
been married to the same man. Oh lord, that'd be
a hard adjustment at least getting into his mother, let
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his father boss her around, tell her what to do,
how to vote. Uh no, it was awful, and he
wanted me to be that way. And I'm a Yankee.
I'm from Jersey and uh he's he's from this New Orleans.
And it was just too much for me. And so
when he started trying to change me, um, I got
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mad and I left. Then the next time was the
same thing. We did have a spirited married Jess. But
the third time we got married, it was when we
had Matthew. We would fight. It doesn't go up, army.
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You don't have to good up years, you know, And
so I would do that. Yes, I I was pretty feightty, yes,
but you know, one I have to say that there
had to have been a lot of love between the
two of you too, have gone through those breakups coming
back together to get married three because, let me tell you,
gave me over here was like, if I'm gonna get
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divorce and find me a new one. I never really
had the desire to go back to a husband that
I had divorced. Yeah, well, I have to say that
I never stopped loving him. No and so and you
don't only died, don't you. My husband died making up
to me, right. And I remember saying, you know when
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you when he fell back, I said, worked him out,
a big boy, I wear you out. And here's no response,
no response, and I'm thinking, oh my god, something's wrong.
So I run across the street to my dry brew
and my neighbor, and I said, something's wrong. Something's wrong.
I don't know what it is. And I had no
idea that it was too much. It's hard to stop.
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You know. We had a party for him, kind of
a celebration of his life. Yeah, and I said, hey, well,
I'm telling you how he talks to my own son,
but to some a bitches, I can give ten years
your life to go the way my pop did. I
just love you. I think you're a joy. I just
want to have your spunk and your and your everything,
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your fire. Well, you girls are all beautiful, my gosh,
and you don't age mom. Thank you. I've been hearing
that all my life. I told her, she gave me
some of that. You've got good genes. You're fine, I hope, so,
I hope. So bye, thank you, thank you. I love her.
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She's Fantasticory, I got a couple of words in there.
You did get a couple of words in them, Matthew
parlaid on the back end of that beautiful freight chain. Yes,
now you were raised with brothers. But now so you
have two boys and and a daughter. How is it
different raising your daughter than it is raising your Son's
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good question? And I'm still finding that out. Mind your mind.
Her twelve in and seven, so we haven't hit those
wonderful teen years. Good look, Matthew. From me, bro, there
is a different I mean, I'm still learning the different
ways of having a daughter is having sons. My daughter's ten.
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But she has a way that the other that the
boys don't. I don't know how much of her way
or how much how much of it's just a female way.
I don't have to explain. She'll get it. She'll come
up to me and talk to me and put a
hand on me or and on my back, or ask
me a question, and she's talking to me about how
I feel. And I didn't have to say a word.
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The wonderful good luck charm for me, just one little
tidbit right now, because this does have to do with
father daughter love across space and time and dimensions. Interstellar
changed my life forever. I just have to say it.
After I watched it, I started studying physics. I've been
studying physics for about five years now and it is
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one of the deepest loves of my life. And that
movie sparked it. So I just want to say thank
you for that. Thank you, happy for that. Yeah, we're
bringing that daughter to physics. We gotta talk to you
just a little bit about your beautiful wife and what
it was about her that you knew that she was
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the one. Matthew met Brazilian model Camilla Alvez in two
thousand and six. Two kids and six years later, Matthew
proposed on Christmas Day. The gorgeous couple was married on
June night, two thousand and twelve in Austin, Texas, just
months before Camilla gave birth to their youngest son. I'm
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not a club guy. On this particular night, I was
a club guy. I'm sitting at a at a club
on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, healthily single, and I'm holding
court at this table maker Margarite is and this figure
about twenty ft in front of me, moving from my
right to left, this caramel shoulders and the soft turquoise
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sort of silk dress hanging off of it. Without even
thinking about it, I didn't say who is that? I said,
what is that? Okay? And then as she went and
sat down my hands raised. I'm trying to get her attention.
And as I'm getting her attention with trying to get
attention with my right hand, I hear my mother's voice
in this year, going, boy, get your ass up. This
is not the kind of woman you wave across the room. Yes, ma'am,
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I'm going right. So I got up, went over. The
music was playing. I spoke better Portuguese and Spanish that
night than I ever have since I fortunate. I asked
her or she wanted to come back to the house
to have some drinks with me and my friends. She said, no,
I can't do that, but thanks for the invite. I
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walked her out to her car and caught a green light.
You know what that green light was? Her car had
been towed. That's right, that's my goodness. So now, um,
you know, come on back and have a drink with
me and friends. Okay, we go back, we all stay
up a while. Um, I give you the guest bedroom
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at the end of the hallway, and I go to
my bedroom. I snuck down to that room twice that night.
I got kicked out very clearly both times. Now we
get to another beautiful moment, which was something I went
and went and started going wow. The next morning, I'm
the last one up. Two friends had stayed over, and
Camilla had stayed over. I'm coming down the stairs and
I hear this laughter, the kind of laughter in conversation
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where people overlap where they've known each other for a
long time time. They're finishing each other's sentences. And I
see that same turquoise dress in the same caramel shoulders,
sitting at the kitchen bar back here, my two friends
on the other side, shirtless in the morning, and our
housekeeper ishing out pancakes, and Camilla was holding court with housekeeper.
She just met that morning and my two friends that
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she had only met for an hour the night before,
and I was like, oh, the constitution of this woman
the next morning in the same dress, none of this
adolescent walk a shame bs. No, I know what decision
I made. I stayed here. I slept in the bedroom
down there. I have my dress on from last night.
That's what I have, and I'm gonna stay here and
enjoyed this breakfast. Now I'm going to give her a
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ride home. I asked her out that night. She gives
me another great reason. What's the best reason this woman
won't go out with me tonight? It's her dad's birthday.
There we go. Family first, you damn right, lineage history, respect,
Here we go. So I got her number, come in
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for a kiss on the cheek. I turned my head,
caught about a quarter of child up, the kissed goodbye.
Three nights later she came over and we had dinner
at my house. And that's the only only woman I've
learned to date since. And uh, here we are, Matthew,
thank you for that. What of the beautiful love story?
And that's a love story from a man? I know
(28:22):
that's a man love story, right, there. All right, That
ain't a little boy right there? In your book, you
wrote about a woman named Tammy who opened your eyes
to different cultures. In college, Matthew was a waiter at
the original Catfish Station in All Black Blues Bar in Austin, Texas.
(28:43):
Tammy was the black and beautiful as midnight rockstar waitress
who ran the floor and had every single dude in
the joint thinking they had a chance, just so they
tipped more. None of them did have a chance, that
is me included. So all right, Matthew, we have the
little surprise for you. You haven't seen her in thirty
(29:04):
five years, but we tracked her down and she's a
little something to say to you. You got me acting
all up. You know, we're supposed to be grown an
adult like you know thirty years ago. How are you doing? Wonderful?
(29:26):
Look at you? You doing good too? There we are there,
we are the station, right, cat Fig Station. Oh gosh,
this is awesome. Let me tell everyone a story about
Ms Tammy. Here she's running the floor at the cat
Fish Station and the client tells about what male something
(29:51):
like that. Well, when this guy comes in to say
I want to be a waiter here tam was like,
uh huh, well she teached me the ropes. She also
lets me know these are my key tables. Don't even
think about serving them, mind you. All that kientele they
wanted Tammy servant, all right, So you beat me in
(30:13):
tips every single time. One time I made you sweat
though you got seventy six. I got seventy two. I
love that. Yeah. And you had a little fan club
too though, you know that, right, He took a couple
of years to work up my fan company. And the
floor well, you know you had the butt going on.
You know, you had the butt thing going on. So
(30:33):
that's that's that's what that's what you're the ladies in there.
He's not telling you all the whole truth. Dr Tammy
with the truth because you know, Matthew, you can call
her Dr Tammy because she is a professor at the
University of St. Thomas in Houston and a visiting scholar
(30:55):
at Rutgers University. Yes, Dr Tammy, Yes, yes, I love that.
During the pandemic, you know, that was really sort of
a pivotal moment for me in terms of my personal
green light. Right, Um, I left a career for thirteen years.
I became a doctor. Right. I actually finished my coursework
(31:17):
in my dissertation and got my doctorate. You know, Matthew
was not afraid to pivot. And that's really my lesson
learned from you. Matthew. You taught me just to kind
of take those yellow lights, those red lights and turn
them into green lights. And so that's where I am.
Look at you were a bright light of my past,
(31:40):
and it's so good to see again. Tammy. You didn't
even know you were in the book until the producers
told you. Oh my gosh, no, I was like, what
I mean, that was a couple of weeks ago, and uh,
I thought it was a little spam with the way
they reached out to me. But when I read it,
I'm like, okay, okay, and I am flattered, flattered that
(32:01):
So I'm proud of you. I'm marveling. I mean, we
really have grown up. So just to see him, you know,
in this in this way, he's a family man, you know,
because I knew when he was single, right, so family
man tried. I tried. Everybody I tried would let me
get close. Now I tried. I love it, Dammy, thank
(32:21):
you for joining us. We just thought this would be
a beautiful surprise for you, beautiful surprise for surprised. This
is my day was already going good. Now it's going great, Damny,
Love you girl, Bye bye. This was a beautiful year. Yes,
thank you so much your next time and quite enjoyed that.
Thanks for watching Interstellar and getting into physics. Well, yes,
(32:44):
it's gonna stay with me forever. We just love your
book green Lights. We are so happy for your success,
and we just continue to love you and think that
you're amazing. Yeah, and for all the green lights to
come your way, Matthew. Ladies, thank you. She kept the
(33:04):
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