Paris Jackson x Willow Smith One-on-One

Paris Jackson, daughter of the legendary Michael Jackson, opens up in a rare in-depth conversation with longtime friend Willow about their shared struggles with mental health, sexuality, betrayal and self-harm. Plus, Paris gives an exclusive performance of her brand new song “Freckles."

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, fam, I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the
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Apple Podcasts. Paris Jackson, it's coming too, the Red cat
Rat and it's your Red cot Oh. I'm so excited.

(00:22):
You're gonna have to give me someone on one classes.
This is how No, you got it. You talk to
the camera, but you got this. It'll be good. Oh
she's coming down, coming down, bandit are You're gonna come
and greet Paris with us? Thank you so much? Great,

(00:48):
thank you. So I haven't seen you in like ten years,
ten years? Yeah, yeah, Si. I was like, yeah, it's
been that was on the Hawthorne sete. Grandmother brought her
through the abandon was like, I want to meet ten
years ten years? Whoa shall we go inside? Let's do

(01:10):
it all right, you guys have a good one. Nice
to see you. Come on, man, come with me, Come on.
I met Paris Jackson when I was ten years old.
Her grandmother, Catherine brought Paris and her brother's prince and
blanket to meet Jaden and me. On the set of
my mom's TV show Hawthorne. In the decade that followed,
Paris and I built a strong bond growing up with

(01:33):
parents in the spotlight. We have a lot in common,
the only girl in a family of boys, a passion
for music, careers and modeling, shared spirituality, struggles with body image,
mental health, sexuality. Since losing her legendary father, the King
of Pop, Michael Jackson, when she was just eleven years old,

(01:54):
Paris has been to hell and back. Now she's joining me.
From my very first conversation on the red couch, this
is my first time doing this one on one. Sweet Yeah,
when you were like, yeah, it's casual, Yeah, casual, But
I don't know how to do this. You got to

(02:16):
you gotta walk me through that. I got you. I
got you. You're right here. I got you. I've always
just described you as being such a beautiful soul, and
even since the first time that we met, since that moment,
I just felt such a purity and a beauty within you,
and just seeing how you have really blossomed that means

(02:36):
a lot to me. First of all, I feel the
same way about you. Um, even when we don't talk
for a little while, even if it's just through texting
or whatever, it's always nice to know that like you
and I are always on the same vibe. There were
a lot of dark times that we can get into whatever. Whatever. Yeah,
how was your social anxiety been after this pandemic? Because

(02:57):
I know for me, my nervous system has been on
an all time clause out. It's always been pretty gnarly
my social anxiety. I don't know if you get this too.
I experienced audio hallucinations sometimes with camera clicks and severe
paranoia and have been going to therapy for a lot
of things, but that included and I've started you hear,

(03:17):
I'll hear like a trash bag rustling, and I like
flinch and panic. Is that from the paparazzi? Yeah? I
think it's just like just standard PTSD. Since the day
she was born, Paris has been hunted by paparazzi. As
a little girl, she remembers being stepped on as they
chased down her father. Not long ago, Paris was harassed

(03:38):
and traumatized while simply walking through the airport. So you
think somebody murdered your father for like blinding me? I'm
really sorry, up, Paris, What are your thought stopped. That's abusive.

(04:09):
I have like nightmares, but it's primarily like if I'm
out in public during the day. I don't really go
out during the day. I do catch it affecting my
personal relationships, especially romantic relationships, and PTSD can affect pretty
much every aspect of your life. I've just like started
the healing process. I don't know if you know e
m d R. I love. Md R is very intense
that it puts you in a very fragile and vulnerable state,

(04:29):
but it is a very effective kind of therapy. I
definitely feel like in a lot of my personal relationships,
like mostly friendships that I'm very paranoid about, like information right,
if everyone that walks into my health signs and a
vio like, it's gnarly. It's gnarly, like even being like, oh,

(04:49):
like delete that text because I don't want people to like,
oh yeah. It does a lot to your nervous system
because you're constantly in fight or flight, flight freeze collapse.
You're constantly like walking on eggshells. Can suddenly looking over
your shoulder, like you have to sit up straight and
act right because if you don't, it not only reflects
on your reputation, your family's reputation. Like it's very like

(05:09):
be careful, sit, smile, like, do the right thing, presentable.
It does some serious shock, you know. I feel like
there's got to be some kind of permanent damage. Just
why I love camping so much, because we're in the
middle of nowhere. We need to do it again. I
think they opened up that spot that we want to
we have to go back we have. Do you feel
like there's anyone in your life right now that you

(05:31):
can trust completely? Have a couple of people, which is
priceless and I hold onto that and I don't take
care for granted. Suicide rates have been higher than they
have ever been since and I know that we both
have been there. I was talking to my friend about this,
uh the other night. A lot of people do feel

(05:52):
regret when they try and attempt suicide, um, like a
last minute regret. There have been times where I did
and times when I didn't, where I was upset that
it didn't work. But I can't say, like several years
later that like I'm really grateful that it didn't. Things
have gotten better. Yeah, what what do you think started
that for you? Like that emotional spiral for you. Um Like,

(06:17):
what caused me to get to that dark place? I
think it's everything, man. I think a lot of it
was just not knowing who I was, being a young
girl going through puberty, and probably a lot of just
my situation and a lot of pressure. It was really
hard and like people would tell me to kime myself
every day, and I was depressed for years. Paris has

(06:40):
been the target of vicious cyber bullying, just really really tired.
At one point it got so bad she posted this
heartbreaking video. I've tried sticking up for myself. I've tried
the whole blocking mater's thing, not reading the comments, and

(07:00):
I don't get what I'm such an easy target. When
I was fourteen, I got so much hatred that, um
I tried to kill myself. But I'm just tired of it.
I'm just really really tired. Mm hmm. How did you
start to bring yourself back to a better mental space? Initially?

(07:23):
I think it was it's kind of morbid, the radical
acceptance that it just wasn't meant to be, Just like, Okay,
I've tried and try and try, and it's really not working.
Maybe it's just not my time, and that sucks, and
for a while it was like I'll just weed it
out kind of thing, which is so dark. But I've
heard these gnarly stories of people that have like tried
to hung themselves and they ended up paralyzed, but they
still lived. And knowing my luck as like as many

(07:44):
times as I tried, like I'd probably end up in
that kind of a situation. So it's just a radical
acceptance of one, it's my time, It'll be my time,
and I'll wait it out till then. And during that
waiting time, I've just found more and more joys in
life and more ways to cope and more ways to
like really live instead of just exist. Well, I've told
a few friends about this experience that I had last autumn.

(08:07):
It was the night of the Harvest moon, dude, and
I experienced self love for the first time in my
entire life. That I was having a really rough night
because some old memories came up, I was like, okay,
like I'm gonna like sit and be with myself and
like do a little prayer, and then I just like
felt the need to get up and go into the
mirror and start doing these affirmations. And once I finished,
I like I saw myself, which is wild, and recognized

(08:31):
myself for the first time in like ten years, and
I was like, what's what paled? Friend? But like it
was this really corny moment between me myself, like in
the mirror, and it was just like, I don't have
words to describe. It is so intense. It just a
lot of gratitude. It's like a really long time to
get to that point, so now you're able to see
how beautiful you are. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's nice. Affirmations

(08:53):
helped a lot. I always try and recommend them to friends,
even though it's super uncomfortable and awkward at first. I
don't know why it's so awkward and embarrassing to be
by yourself in the mirror and be like you're worthy.
It's like it feels uncomfortable at first when you first
start getting into the hang of it. It just makes
me so happy to feel like you see that. I

(09:13):
appreciate that. Thank you. There are so many people who
have suffered from losing loved ones, specifically during the COVID pandemic.
How did you find the strength to keep going after
losing your dad? I don't know. It kind of just
happened I was so young that I wasn't like a
conscious of I'm going to keep going, and like, you know, yeah,

(09:37):
I was just going through the motions and like didn't
really understand what was happening. And so I just went
with what I was told to do. And Okay, I'm
living here now, and okay, I'm going to school now,
and I'm not homeschooled anymore, and I'll just do what
I'm told because I didn't really have much guidance. After
her dad died, Paris and her brothers moved in with
her grandmother, Catherine, the Jackson family matriar was named permanent guardian.

(10:02):
The children went from home schooling and traveling the world
with their father to attending traditional school and living under
Catherine's strict Jehovah's witness beliefs. WHOA are you still close
to your dad's side of the family. I'm still very
close with my brothers, and I see my family during
family reunions, and I tell him all the time, if

(10:22):
you want to call me, call me. I got love
and respect for all of you guys. Try and see
my cousins. I just saw my cousins for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Even though we don't call it that because a lot
of time with witness, So we're just like February Union
kind of thing. So your mom came into your life
at age fifteen in Michael Jackson married Debbie Rowe, and

(10:45):
assistant at a dermatology office. They had two children, Prince
and Paris. When they divorced, Debbie gave up custody and
the kids lived with their father full time. Paris grew
up without her mother. Meeting your mom, how has that
journey been for you? It's cool, I mean like getting
to know her, saying how similar we are getting into

(11:07):
what kind of music she likes, and she really likes
country and folk by Center. Some of the stuff that
I'm working on I have like banjo's in them. That
was like a few months ago, My God, for her birthday.
That is so sweet. We look a lot alike. All
send you a picture that she sent me when she
was my age in the seventies. Look exactly alike. It's

(11:28):
just cool having her as a friend. It's very chill,
which I which I love. That's a perfect word to
describe it. How did you get your name? Paris seven
told that Cathy Hilton and my dad were really close
growing up. They're like best friends, and I think they
made some kind of a pact that they were going
to name their first daughter Paris. I think that's how
me and uh Pete we call her pe one I

(11:48):
p two Paris Hilton got her name as well. Then
there's also like another story which just like my dad
really really loved that city so much. When I got
to truly explore Paris, I really connected to him. I
was like, Okay, I get it, because I just didn't
understand my name for a long time and I went
there and I'm like, I get it. This is awesome,
that's so beautiful. I want to ask you, I know

(12:10):
it took a lot of courage to like step out
and do this debut album. I don't know what gave
me the courage to do it. It's just like I
just couldn't ah suppress it anymore. What do you think
was the starting point of you feeling like, Okay, like
I really I feel like I want to make this project.

(12:31):
I really want to put my all into this heartbreak
it was the main thing, and it was the deepest
heartbreak I'd ever experienced, but also one of the most
powerful rebirths that I've ever had, and finding my voice
and finding my sound and embracing being a musician. I
was scared to do that for a long time. You know,
It's been like a lobby of mine for a long time. Finally,

(12:53):
I'm just like, no, Like, this is who I am.
I'm a musician. What about that heartbreak put you on
that specific path? Because I know that, specifically for me
and so many people, experiencing heartbreak can either close you
off and you could be like, oh no, I'm just
gonna be in my cocoon. It did do that. It
was the deepest I've ever loved someone. It was the

(13:14):
most intense that I've felt so far, and the most
intense betrayal that I had felt so far and experienced.
And it's definitely closed me off to that. Like, I'm
very careful with who I spend time with now, and
I'm very guarded and just trying to protect myself. But
music has always been there for me. You had said
that music saved your life. Oh for sure. It makes

(13:36):
me feel less alone and it makes me feel heard.
There were some dark, dark times where I did feel
like music was all I had. I just feel like
you've done such a beautiful and graceful job of doing
your own thing. Because kids like us do we feel
like we have to live up to this certain standard.
I feel like it's still probably there somewhere in the

(13:57):
back of my head. But the louder thing that competes
is that I feel like my dad would be proud.
I hear that there's a song that you have written. Yes, Recles,
I wrote last week. It's actually one of my only
happy songs. I heard you brought your guitar, such a
beautiful guitar. Thank you. She's my travel friend. Nervous, yeah,

(14:25):
a little bit. I love you. Don't be nervous. Can
I do anything? Why to Dawn? And does left same

(14:46):
PECULI quite obscene. I'll take oh Angel insteadch them in between.
There's says the sun can't be Maybe one day they'll
all love mdal will sweet girl at their feet and

(15:12):
we'll wrap decate the book about but an adventitious love affair.
Not really something to predict, oh likely flawed contrasted pair.

(15:39):
Unconventionally perfect you are. I'll carve your skin with flice
back heart and match your freckles to the stars. Unconventionally
perfect you are to me. That was beautiful. Thank you.

(16:02):
I thought it was adorable and adventitious love affair, not
really something to predict. That was beautiful. I love those
lyrics thank you, match your freckles to the stars, like
come on now, come on now, lyric thank you, and
it kind of sounds like you're talking about a lady.
It's got a few inspirations off of that note. We

(16:24):
both like girls and boys, And I just want to ask,
how was that journey for you alongside being in the
limelight and being famous and having all of these people
looking at you and figuring out your sexuality, like figuring
out what you were attracted to, what kind of relationship
you wanted to have. I mean, I'm still kind of

(16:45):
figuring it out. Um. My family is very religious, and
a lot of homosexuality is just very taboous, so they
don't like to talk about it. It's not really accepted.
But um, I've gotten to a point where I respect
them and I have loved for them. I respect their beliefs,
I respect their religion. Do you think that that kind

(17:06):
of affected you in your growing stages, that feeling that
maybe that wouldn't be accepted. Yeah, But right now I'm
at a point where it's like to expect them to
put aside their culture and their religion, Like expectations to
me lead to resentments, and like what people think about
me is in my business, you know. Yeah, but there
were moments where it was really hard and like you

(17:28):
feel alone, you feel kind of excluded. Were there are
people in your family who supported you. My brothers, Yeah,
they didn't understand it at first. My older brother who's
about fourteen months old, you met Prince. Yeah, we both
have two older brothers, which is crazy. Blanket is younger
than you. He's younger. I have two older brothers and
then B g B now he's uh four years younger.

(17:49):
But they they've always been super supportive. Prince joined a
G S A club in high school. All learned about
it because he wanted to support me, Like not a
lot of people can say they have siblings sets support
them like that. Yeah. I find that growing up with
my brothers and and spending so much time with them
and being the only girl, I got to see the

(18:12):
differences and how society and even my parents would treat us.
They would get certain freedoms or certain things or whatever
wasn't fair. Yeah, it just wasn't fair. Did you feel
any of that totally? I mean, yeah, my brother's got
to go have sleepovers whenever they wanted, and they can
go do whatever. They can go to parties and stuff
to way more strict for me. And but also at

(18:33):
the same time, like I was daddy's little girl, was
the only girl, so I was definitely excluded at some
points because I wasn't cool enough to kick it with
the boys, and then got some special treatment for being
a girl. So it's like you and some of you
lose something. It's true. What was it like for you
discovering your sexuality moving through that? Who It was very

(18:55):
weird for me because people were telling me online before
I even knew like what that was, that that I
was a lesbian, that I dressed like a lesbian, that
I talked like a lesbian, and all of these different things,
and so just kind of seeing that at a very
young age was like is this a bad thing? Like
I kind of didn't know how to react to it

(19:15):
because I was like, is there something wrong with me?
Like why why is everyone saying I thought a really
long time that the only way to express my sexuality
as being a female, that like other females was to
be like super masculine. I had a short hair, and
I had all the things. I just didn't know any better.
I was just like learning as I was going along,
and was very sheltered from all of that at a

(19:36):
young age. So I went all in immediately. And now
I'm just I can do whatever, and do whatever feels good,
and dress however and act however, and it doesn't change
how I feel on the inside. It's just as long
as me I can be feminine, I can be to
him what I can do whatever, as long as it
feels like me. Yeah, as long as it's authentic. I know,
for myself, I don't really see myself getting married or

(19:57):
having children or doing that traditional thing. But how do
you feel about that? Wow? To quote Journey loving the music, man,
I know it's what it's supposed to be. I don't
know right now. I'm married to music and I have
been whatever happen, whatever happened. I'm like, I'm not against
married if I'm happy and I love someone, sure, But

(20:19):
right now my main thing is my spirituality, my music,
and like doing what is right for me right now,
I'm too young to think about that about kids. Yeah,
no kids. Maybe, yeah, I can tell you. I'm many kids.
You're gonna have to give me your palm. Are you
right handed? Yeah? I'm right handed. Two that's what it says.

(20:44):
Maybe for no, definitely at least two. Oh god on kids, man,
I think global warming needs to get figured out first,
fair enough. I think we need to figure that. You
could build an army. We couldn't build an army of
like woke as kids to be the free thinkers and

(21:06):
warriors of the next world. I'd be down for that. Yeah.
The Red Table producers thought this would be fun, a
little trip down memory lane. They a few photos of
each of us from various stages in our lives. Let's
go through that. Oh man, okay, wow, this was the
mohawk days. I think I had some cuts on my

(21:29):
wrist during that time. Actually I did the same thing
to cover it up and be like, yeah that's fashion
like and like I'm not bleeding into my wristband. I
did the same thing. That was tough. Times these are bad.
So no, I love your hair. I love your hair.

(21:52):
I feel like the amount of die and perms from
between both of us. It took so long to grow
my hair, like keep it healthy exactly exactly move on
from that and on this stage. You know, this stage
was too much. I was like, eleven was so cool
when you were eleven, But that was the one I

(22:12):
looked like a nerd dude. It was had like a
Harry Potter cloak that I wore to the airports, like
I was so weird at leven. No, my mom did
not want me wearing these shirts because you remember when
Odd Future was like new and upcoming and they had
six six six and the upside down crosses and everything
on their stuff. So she was like, you can't wear this,
and I was like yes, Like yeah, mom, nice good

(22:36):
old rebellion. Yes for years ago. What was your emotional
state in this time? I was not very happy and
this was taken as you can see. I was going
through it and finding them just not the best coping skills.
And this was when I was very disconnected from my
spirituality and my music. I feel like we connected during

(23:00):
this time. We didn't. Yeah, we did connect during this time.
I feel like we've come into each other's lives at
such formative times. I love this. This whole outfit was
not the vibe. No, I didn't feel very cute, and
I just wanted to do something different. That's why I
got this, this weave, and I was like, I don't
think it worked out great. I don't get a lot though,
thank you. Oh my god, look just oh my goodness.

(23:23):
I just like Goddess much. Goddess addressed address was like
fifty pounds. I feel like you were doing good, very
it was very fright. Yeah, I was chilling, then I
was I was chilling. That was right after I adopted
my dog and and rescued her. How many dogs do
you have? Now? Have one? And then I rescued a
cat last year. I changed his name from Fredo to Frodo.

(23:44):
He's an old Maiji thing and I love him. So
they both cuddled with me at night. They get along.
Grade we need to get our animals together because I
have three cats and one dog. I don't know how
Frodo does with other cats. But chill with this is
giving the stem vibes. I love that always. I was
in a good place emotionally here, but I was nervous

(24:07):
out of my mind because I had never been half
naked on a spinning table before. In front of that
would be pretty. It was. I was like Yo, what
am I doing? This is crazy? You look amazing here.
That was probably, I want to say, three years ago.
I probably wasn't in the best day totally, but I've
been doing the modeling thing for a while, so I
was just like, I think I was just going through
the motions here. Yes, this is with David la Chapelle.

(24:31):
That was a really cool. Shoot, my goodness, you look
like a Pleadian, like you look like a light being
told that I am Palladian, which I think is a
total compliment. You strike me as an Atlantean. Really, I've
been told that, Yes, I definitely feel like an Atlantean.
And Woodsy Ferry the Artiste fam wanted to get in

(24:55):
on our combo. We've got a few viewers standing by
with questions. All right, run it first. Up we have
Sonya from California. What's going on? Sonja? All Right? So
I lost my dad when I was three years old,
and the only memory I have of him is being
at his funeral, which is really odd. And I have
my mom, who I lost at twelve, and I fell out.

(25:17):
All my memories I have with her or just dreamed.
They didn't even feel real. When I talked to people
about her. So I want to know for you, what
was something you did or that you do to keep
your memories alive with your father. Um, I take the
positive things that I learned from him, the good morals
that I learned, and try and use them every day. Humility, compassion, tolerance,

(25:44):
just being kind to other people, even if it's someone
that did you wrong, to pray for them and and
be kind to them, to be kind to yourself. That's
just a very standard way that I keep that memory
alive and do what I can to make him proud.
Thank you for sharing that. Thank you so much. Okay, So, hey,

(26:05):
we have Mike in Virginia. How are y'all doing today? Good?
Before I start, I just want to say that the
mugs are given today, y'all are beautiful. I'm living it.
I'm living it perfect. Okay. So I'm in a bit
of a situation. So I have been dating these two
guys and unfortunately one has found out about the other

(26:26):
and now he's making me choose between the two. So
I need a little bit advice from y'all, Like, I
don't know whether I should choose one or don't choose
one at all? Can I can? I hop in on
this one. Go for it. Maybe you all go out
and have coffee together and maybe you know, maybe you
all can be together. Maybe they maybe they wouldn't be

(26:49):
upset about that, or maybe they would. I think transparency
is key, being honest is key, and be as loving
as you can. What do you think, Paris? This is
a tricky one because my my solution for this is
not the easiest. I would try and take the approach
of doing the least harmful thing, and if that means

(27:10):
not having either of them, then take the route of
least harm and open communications, see what, see what they want,
even if it means you don't get what you want
and not putting your needs in there in the mix,
and make amends for whatever wrong that was done. Okay, okay,
I can. I can go with both of those. I
can go with both of those. That sound doable. Does

(27:31):
that sound I can say? I can? I can pull
and pull from both there. I want to make something work.
This gonna do the least amount of harm. Goods of luck.
We're rooting for you. Up next, we have Mina from
New Jersey. I willow hype Paris. My question actually has
to do with depression ever since the pandemic hit, like

(27:54):
you know, it would kind of come in waves, but
now it just seems like it's a sad day every
single day. How do you turn that pain off and
just find that happiness within yourself again? And what drives
you to get out of bed? It's a lot easier
than done. So I'm gonna have to ask you to
bear with me. I'm sure you've heard me mention the
word radical acceptance, which is a practice I try and

(28:17):
work on a lot um, the idea that everything happens
for a reason. And sometimes when I pray, I just
ask for the unnecessary pain to be taken away from me.
But the pain has made me grow, and then I
grow and I work hard and I get through it,
and then I've got a little like lollipop at the
end of the you know, light at the end of
the tunnel. Some of the gnarliest things that have happened

(28:38):
to me have shaped me. But what gets me out
of bed in the morning is wanting to help other
people and music. And some days I feel like your
best is going to be better than others. But if
you're trying your hardest and doing your best, like I think,
I think you'll be okay. Yeah, I love that. Thank you.
Not about a tear up to menest. I want to

(28:58):
add my little yeah, my little nugget in there of
just being patient with yourself and knowing and knowing that
so much has happened in the world recently, and change

(29:19):
is extremely difficult for our nervous systems and our brains
to contend with. So I would just say love on
your heart, and just hug on yourself and tell yourself
that everything does pass. And just like Paris said, when
you're genuinely authentically doing your best the universal lines. And

(29:43):
I really hope that our that our advice helped helped
you a little bit. Absolutely, I really felt it. Thank you,
Thank you so much. Next, we have Willow from North Carolina.
He right, Willow, what do you have for us today? Willow? So,
I come from a super redneck, super religious family on

(30:05):
my dad's side, I'm bisexual. I've been in mixed race relationships.
I honestly I don't even talk to them because of
how close minded they are. Right now, So, how did
you talk to your family about your life choices? Confidently,
some of my family I talked to about it openly.
Some of my family. I don't. I've reached a point

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right now where like I have love and respect for
my family that believes their culture, their religion, and if
I'm to expect them to set that aside just so
I feel accepted, expectations lead to resentments for me. So
I'll try and take the approach that what other people
think of me is none of my business. And as
long as I'm living a life of love and being

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of service and honesty, then and I'm not hurting other people,
I think I think I'll be all right. You know
that's beautiful. When I'm really trying to hit the depths
with someone, like when I'm trying to like get them
to really see my perspective, I always try to be
as vulnerable as possible and even preface it with like,

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I'm really afraid of how you're going to react right now.
Like I know you're my family, and I know that
you love me, and I love you, but I just
I just need you to like be here for me
right now for just while I'm saying this to you,
and we can, you know, have our moment apart afterwards,
and then we can come back together and you can
tell me how you feel and we can talk about that,

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but I just really need this time to like pour
out my heart to you and be honest to you
right now. Okay. I like that. I like that a lot. Actually,
I think I'm going to try that one. Thank you, Willow,
Willow to willow ha ha. Okay. I want to play
a little game. You say the first thoughts that come

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to your mind when I when I say a word okay, future,
right mm hmm, love, god, m life, death, m hmmm, uh, luxury, temporary, faith, everything,

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hey necessary, I said, Oh no, I'm feeling these right now. Failure,
lesson mm hmmm, food, mm hmmm, addictive as sex, sometimes sacred,

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sometimes not. Well damn, yeah, there it is. Do I
get to do that with you? Of course? Of course?
Um beauty, subjective media, deceitful, true love, absolute truth sex.

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I'm just thinking of the ocean, like just ocean, cool girl,
crush cut. I like this game. It's a great I
feel like I'm learning a lot about myself. I feel
like that's a cool game to play on like a
first date, like to kind of just lay the land
of their subconscious. I also want to talk about all

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your dad's I've always just thought you honestly inspired me
because I was so scared that we both have we
both have Metatron's que Yes, look at us with our
sacred geometry. Dr Woo did this one. He did this one.
Then I'm going to add on to it. I'm gonna
do the Viking compass will here. This is fire. I

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love the color. I want to get colors online. Do
it one day. You need to tap me with your
with your kid. And I also am going to get
a stick and polke kit but I have machine. Oh
my goodness. Next thing, you know, they're gonna be like
Paris Jackson is now Willows a soul tattoo. I'm like
pretty decent too. I'm not I'm not too bad. These
are the ones that you did. Yeah, oh my god.

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This one so I'm very proud of the other's a
little jankie. I'm super proud of that one. You have
to tap me. You have to tap me one day
whenever we're wrapping up. But I heard you like to
take stuff, little keepsakes from the sets that you visited.
I still I still props. Yes, give us some examples.
Take a bombing fluid off of the last set with
permission I asked the director and I asked the props guy.

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When I was on the set of the music video
in Ohio, we found bones out in the woods, so
I took there was a rib and then there was
a bone that was in my bedroom at home. Yeah.
I like taking little keepsakes and little I'm not sure
if what we're going to give you is going to
be as cool as a bone, but which I'm a
hoard or anything we do. Yeah, I got to my

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name on Yeah, that's amazing that you have your own
personal red table talk customized thank you, T thank you,
m H just thank you, like you're amazing, Like I
just love you. I feel like it's been it's been

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a it's been a drastic evolution from when we first
met and then just the ups and downs. I feel
like you've really you've just done a beautiful job with yourself.
I think I think that's really inspiring than you likewise
until next time when you're tatting up my legs. Yes,
or if you already back up vocals on a song,
yes please? Oh, speaking of that, we should do that.

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What are you doing after this? Nothing? Should we just
go to the studio? Awesome? I'm so excited for I

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want to throw in some seven Chords somewhere in se Yeah. Yeah,
that's nice. Good, Yeah, that's nice. I love that. Slash

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