Amanda Large Teague & The Pirate Spirit Jack

In our first RiCRYPTulous Romance - Amanda Large was just your average medium when she encountered a spirit who would change her life forever: the 300 year old Hatian pirate, Jack Teague. But after falling in love and MARRYING the spirit, her health started to fail! Was her ethereal lover sucking her life away? Or could the bonds of love hold them together across the veil? It's all in this special spooky episode!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Greetings everyone, abandon all hope he who enter here. I'm
Eli and I'm Diana. Where your horrific hosts for this
our first special series of October Fridays on Recryptulus Romance.

(00:21):
We're bringing you the spookiest, scariest stories we could find,
full of ectoplasmic passion and courtship with corpses. We've been
digging up dirt on devilish and depraved stories that are
sure to touch your heart and then rip it right
through your bones. Oh yeah, very excited about this. Yeah,

(00:45):
we're fans of Halloween. In case that hasn't come crossed
love it. I'll tell you Atlanta is the place to
be very Halloween. Very true. I mean, I guess Salem,
Massachusetts it's probably really, but that's like going to Belgium
for October Fest, Like it's probably a little too much
right on. I don't know. Atlanta is very good at
celebrating Halloween, that's true. We've got we got stuff to do,

(01:07):
good stuff around here. We have to figure out our costumes.
Very true. Um, we've had some great ones in the past.
Are our standard fallback and we don't have anything else.
Of course, is aber zombie and which, um, we'll put
pictures up on Instagram of those. Yes, um, well we'll
probably do a little slideshow of all our favorite that's
a good idea. Yeah, every Friday this month, we've got
planned some some spooky horror stories. He'll send us any

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if you've got some very true put on the doctor
for next year. And we know y'all love those depraved weirdos.
Oh yeah, you do. Who doesn't. Today's story is about
Amanda large Tigue, a pagan medium who found the love
of her life beyond the veil, wandering the ethereal plane.

(01:52):
Not just any spirit. This man was Captain Jack t
a Haitian pirate, executed for his treacherous crimes. But where
Amanda thought she found happiness in truth, this s ghoulish
groom had darker plans, and it nearly killed her. I've

(02:12):
got tangles already. I can't wait. Let's go hay their friends.
Letien say you're welcome to Hell. There's no matchmaking romantic teaps.
It's just aday coops. As you were lying in crypts,
I love my dear. Type of mons goes to a

(02:36):
demonic too. But if there's a spirit with the second
jets we'll shows a production of I Heart Radio. Amanda
Large was born in nineteen seventy two in Birmingham and

(02:57):
the United Kingdom. She had a British father and an
Irish mother. Their wedding was a mix of religious denominations,
which was a huge issue back then, right, so they
alienated much of their extended family, and Amanda was an
only child, so it was just the three of them
for much of her early life. They moved to the
Republic of Ireland when she was eight years old, and

(03:19):
she was sent to a stereotypically oppressive Catholic school there
the True Horror show. Oh yeah, She's like, this is
everything you expected. We were getting, you know, whipped for
not knowing our catch catch them all catechisms. Yeah, it
wasn't a Catholic catechisms. Yeah. I think it's a cis.

(03:39):
Got to catch them all your catchuchisms. I got a
catechism all, she said. In Ireland at the time, there
was a big trend in moving and crying Virgin Mary statues,
so the statues would move, they would appear in random places.
Sometimes they would cry tears of blood. It was very

(03:59):
hot trend back then. Obviously, sure plenty of people were
feeding lots of money to statues and stuff, all the
rage to see a plenty crying Virgin Mary. Oh my god,
you have a crying bloody Virgin Mary statue. I'm coming
right over ready to have one as well. This one's
for that Graham Mary. Mine's a Gucci crying virgin name

(04:26):
brand Virgin Mary. And she was kind of fascinated by this,
as you would be. I mean I would be, but
not only by those, but also by other supernatural happenings.
She got really interested in all that kind of thing,
and instead of the usual trips that kids would take,
like two zoos or amusement parks, she wanted to go
to places where like spooky events had occurred, haunted places

(04:47):
and creepy cemeteries. And her mom was raised in West Ireland,
where people were very superstitious and they believed in curses
and omens, which I kind of get. I've not been
to Ireland, but I've seen pictures the a lot of
miss going on. It looks very you know, it looks
like a place where you would come across some weird
ethereal definitely spooky stuff. It's that miss, I'm telling you know,

(05:12):
it's like it feels like you're at the veil. It's
a little bit harder. In the city of Atlanta, it's
surrounded by target. What was that bump? Oh, it was
just a rat in the walls, just a gad shot.
Also Amanda's mother, Maureen, as well as Maureen's mother and sister,
had all had experiences with the Irish Banshe. In Irish folklore,

(05:36):
the Banshe is a fairy spirit who appears to Irish
folk and brings with her a terrible message. Her long, thin,
wispy hair blows calmly, though there is no breeze. She
is covered by a long gray cloak over a pale
green dress. Her skin is ghastly white, draw eye and thin,

(06:00):
stretched over her bony face, and her eyes are red
and bloodshot from her constant echoing cries of distress. She
may appear to you in the form of some sweet
singing girl, a virgin family member who died young, or
you may glimpse her at night as a terrible shrouded

(06:22):
old woman crouched beneath the crooked arms of a withered tree,
weeping bitterly. Her cry is dark and hollow, and it
infects you with a sense of the deepest mourning, an
unspeakable sadness like you've never known, and if you hear it,
take heed of its unholy warning. For the Bandshe's cry

(06:45):
signals that a loved one is soon to die. But
sometimes the band she may not cry to you at all,
but rather visit you. When you sleep, you'll be awakened
by three box on your door. Demons and other hellish
creatures will use the three knocks or sometimes three scratches

(07:09):
as an unholy mockery of the Catholic Trinity. When you wake,
you'll search for the source of the noise. That there
will be no one around you, question whether you hurt
anything at all, until very soon after someone close to
you dies. Amanda's mother heard the knocking. Her aunt and

(07:34):
grandmother had each separately seen the Banshee, and within days
their neighbor was dead. The Banshee's a cool story. I
hope to never see or hear the Banshee, but it
is very cool story. Although I guess it'd be a
nice heads up that's true, you can get atle's gonna

(07:57):
die anyway. It's like you could tell me a couple
of days ahead of time. I mean, how old was
this neighbor. That was the neighbor who was a spry
nine year old man, prime of his life. No one
could have expected mysterious they passed away in his sleep. Well,
when Amanda was five, she had her first encounter with

(08:19):
the supernatural when she watched the movie A Night to Remember,
which is about the Titanic. She had never seen it
and didn't know the story of the Titanic at all,
but she started freaking out midway through the movie. And
there's nothing scarier to me than a five year old
suddenly losing their mind out of nowhere. I'm like, what
did you see? What's happening? And she knew what was

(08:43):
going to happen. She kept telling her mother that the
ship is going to crash and sink, all these people
are gonna die, and her mom was totally freaked out.
This scared the absolute Shepherd's pie out of her because
she's like, why why do you know that you're five
if you don't know the Titanic story. Also, while you

(09:03):
watching A Night to Remember with a five year old,
come up right? I mean, I guess it's historical occasional,
but still, I mean five years old to learn about
this like horrific tragedy of all these dead people. Of
course she's got an obsession with ghosts. But years later,
in another Titanic movie came out some of us may recall,

(09:29):
and she found herself fascinated and obsessed. She saw it
thirteen times in theaters. I think that's on the lower
end of some people. I know, well, that's fair. That
is a lot of times to see the theaters. I
will say, I I will say, Okay, I'm gonna hear
I'm gonna hear it. But I've never seen this movie
in full, have you really not? Yeah? I mean I

(09:51):
saw like the last half hour, and I was kind
of like, all right, I think I get it. I'm
not saying it's not good, because I'm sure it's wonderful. Obviously,
it's like one of the biggest movies of all time.
James Cameron is a very good filmmaker. I wasn't totally
blown away by the ship crashing scene. I mean, I
did see it years later, so I was kind of like,

(10:12):
I've seen better special effects. But yeah, but I'll tell you,
when that guy pinned off the propeller hilarious. I did
too well, and I was like, I was like thirteen
or fourteen when it came out, so I was right,
you know, I had to go see it because like
every one of my friends was obsessed with it, and
I remember going to see it in theaters. I saw

(10:32):
it once and I was like, I don't know, it's fine.
I mean, I love a sweeping love story or whatever,
but I was just kind of like, sure, I don't
know why people are really into this movie like that.
And then I also laughed when he pinned off the propeller,
and I was like, I don't want to laugh right
now because he's speaking me feel things for the folks.

(10:52):
I mean, you know, but but it took me out
of it for sure. In my defense, one of the
reasons I didn't see it was because when it came out,
I was living in a very small town with a
one screen movie theater that showed like second or third
one movies like it took a long time for us
to get anything, and by the time Titanic came out there,
it was like months later. The line was I mean

(11:15):
everyone in town was there. The line was around the block,
and it sold out like every show. Uh, So I just,
you know, I was just like, I get better things
to do. I'm I'm a thirteen year old kid in
a small town with a bike. I got stuff to do, right,
And then it comes out on VHS and you're like,
I gotta switch tapes halfway through. What am I at work?

(11:37):
But but a man? It was super obsessed. She was
unlike us. She was super obsessed with the Titanic. She
modeled herself like Rose. For her first wedding, she wore
a replica of the necklace, and she even named one
of her daughters Rose. So she was like real into
this movie. And it wasn't until after she moved to
Belfast that she realized that in her past life, she

(12:00):
had been a male carpenter at Harland and Wolf, the
company that built the Titanic. So that explains I guess
why at five years old she knew so much. I
was a disaster. Yeah, I haven't forgotten my old life yet.
That's still with me, right, and like the rest of us,
I guess, Well, if you don't know about past life, yeah, well,
when you're young, it's probably easier to access, as my guess,

(12:22):
because it's I mean you, you haven't replaced it with
all of this life as much as it makes sense. Look,
we've got a real suspension of disbelief in this episode.
So will fast forward a few years past Amanda's first marriage. Um.
She has a few children, she's close with them, and

(12:44):
mostly she had kind of moved away from spirituality altogether.
She considered herself agnostic, which I think when you have
terrible experiences within a church system that can happen, very understandable.
But in her three month old son died from sudden
infant death syndrome. Was such a tragedy three months that's

(13:06):
so sad um, obviously devastating, UM, And it changed the
way she saw the world and she started to look
at her beliefs. She wanted to find something that explained
the relationship between our world and the spiritual world, which
again totally understandable when you've just had such a tragic
event in your life and you know, trying to get

(13:28):
some comfort and just some kind of understanding about the
bigger pictures so that it's okay that it happened, you
know what I mean. And that's really hard to find
because sometimes there really isn't anything. But she was looking
for answers and she went through a bunch of religions. Uh,
I mean, I probably didn't go back to Catholicism and

(13:48):
they've done that. Maybe I'll try Presbyterians, Maybe I'll try uh, Evangelical.
I mean, you know, they're speaking tongues. There's something there.
Any monster, may it, may it rest upon me. But

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nothing really clicked with her until she discovered Wicca, and
through Wicca, which is a subset of Paganism, she learned
of the oneness with the divine and today she identifies
simply as pagan, but she still feels drawn towards a
lot of the elements of Wicca. She started attending classes
and workshops. She was discovering more about the spiritual realm

(14:30):
and our connection to it, and she came to really
believe in the notion that our bodies and our spirits
are separate things, and that at death, the spirit leaves
the body. The body is just a show. And gradually
she discovered that she had a unique talent for mediumship,
which is the practice of communicating between the dead and
the living. She says in an interview on This Morning

(14:54):
in the UK that anyone can feel spirit energy like
in a haunted building, that sin shivers up your spine,
sometimes people will report feeling a spirit touch their face
or hold their hand. But her skill was in connecting
to those spirits and relaying messages between the living and
the dead. So literally, a medium, she's the middleman. That's

(15:17):
what it is. Film. Yeah, I am Spirits are small,
people are large. I'm a medium. I'm Amanda large. I'm
a mandal large. Just look at that. She should have
been Amanda Medium, Amanda media. Oh my god. Alright, sharp

(15:38):
left turn here in. Amanda found a similar film obsession
to her Titanic obsession in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.
She loved these movies, and she considered herself to have
a striking resemblance to Captain Jack Sparrow, and she took

(15:59):
on a hobby as a Jack Sparrow impersonator, full on
facial hair, long black dreads, bandana, eyeliner, the works. I mean,
does she look anything like like Jack Sparrow. I mean,
you know, there's a lot of pictures of her. It's
like she's she's look in the way that if anybody

(16:20):
puts on the Jack Sparrow costume, they're gonna look like Jack.
But it's not like if I saw her walking down
the street. I don't think I'd be like, is that
Johnny Depp? You know she put the costume on. Yes,
she looked like him, as you know, in the same
way that if I put bolts in my neck and
painted myself green, you'd be like, oh, he looks like Frankenstein,

(16:40):
Frankenstein's monster. Um for the pedantic right right, right, because
I know we'll get a corrections corner. Um we know. Um.
So later that same year, which again, so it's five
years after she started as a medium, something different happened.

(17:00):
She was meditating and reaching out beyond the veil, as
she had done many times before, trying to connect to
the other side, but a new presence reached back. His
name was Jack Tague, and while many historians say there's

(17:21):
no direct evidence of such a pirate, Amanda soon learned
Jack's life story. Jack was born on October nineteenth, seventeen hundred.
His father was a terrible, vicious pirate who raped Jack's mother,
a woman he'd enslaved after capturing her in Haiti, after

(17:43):
she died. When Jack was a teenager, he escaped his
abusive father and tried to be a sailor, but favoring
his mother's appearance. He was threatened with enslavement himself, lots
of racial prejudice, harassment. So he found the freedom and
the safety he desired by becoming a pirate himself. He

(18:04):
was smart and well spoken, and he had a strong
belief in the supernatural. He tried to stay out of trouble,
but he liked to gamble, and he was very bad
at it. Terrible combination. If you could love gambling, you
better be good at He only ever killed, as he
told Amanda, in self defense, or if someone deserved it.

(18:29):
I mean, I don't all people who kill people think
the person they killed deserved it. Isn't that kind of
the thing. I mean, are we all cool with killing
people we think deserve it? Now a list? I got
a list? We might be on someone's list, just a purge.
I like the idea of like I killed him, did

(18:49):
he deserve it? Not really on a whim. I mean,
I guess there are definitely killers out there who just
absolutely many of them. Are you deserved it because you're
a woman who wouldn't sleep with me? Like if you're
a pirate, like you deserved it because you wouldn't give
me your treasure? You're in my way. But now he

(19:12):
was supposed to be a good pirate, like a pirate
with the conscience. He was engaged at one point, but
his lover jilted him and broke his heart left at
the altar. From there on he only took prostitutes as lovers.
He loved being free, and he fought for the freedom

(19:34):
of others as well, frequently assisting raids against slave ships
and helped harbor enslaved people himself and bring them home.
Good for him, It's pretty cool. That's a that's a
pirate with the conscience right there. Yeah, it's like a pirate,
Harriet Tubman. Yeah, I mean, if you're I only killed
people that because they deserved it, and they deserved it
because they were slavers, stealing slaves, like stealing people who enslave.

(19:56):
Then yeah, okay, yeah, I'm with that. I think I'm
with that one. But in February of seventeen fifty three,
Jack was captured by the British Navy and hanged for
his crimes, and his body was disposed of in a
mass grave in Jamaica, and Amanda says he loved his

(20:17):
life and in death he was resentful of how cruelly
it was taken from him. His individuality was so important
to him that instead of reincarnating as most souls do,
he decided to stay in the world as a spirit,
and he took two other living lovers before eventually finding
his way back to Belfast and discovering a woman who

(20:40):
was searching for something as well. At first, Amanda was
cautious and a little defensive. You can't immediately trust that
a spirit is who they say they are. I mean,
that's that's medium one a one. She's like, don't just
take him as their work stranger, danger are in the
spirit world. That's um uh, spirit, hear it. It's spirit.

(21:05):
Fear it. Spirit, fear it. Spirit. You better fear it.
That's right, you know, Yeah, that's right. Don't get in
the car with strange spirits. Yeah, she says, there are
demons who will try to trick you sort of their
whole thing, or non demonic spirits who are just prone
to deception for their own necrotic purposes. So she was

(21:29):
super suspicious of this ghostie Jack guy talking to her
beyond the veil. But the thing that finally won her
over was he said, go back and look at your
history for ye have a tigue in your family as well.
We be linked by bloodline, which I don't know. I
feel like if you're like, oh, we're related, I'd be like, well,

(21:50):
now I'm less interested in a romantic thing with you.
But there's a podcast called A Funny Feeling with Betsy
Sadaro and Marcy Darrow. Very fun funny podcast. Go check
them out, and they had an interview with Amanda. Amanda
described her relationship with Jack and how she came to
accept him on this podcast. She was a self identified

(22:13):
white witch, which made her, as she said, very connected
to her ancestors who also practiced the old ways. I
think she's talking about her mom's side, like these Celtic women,
you know in the tradition. Yeah, that's spooky Ireland where
all the ghosts were. Um. So she went back and looked,
and she didn't have to go far. She discovered that

(22:34):
her great grandmother's maiden name was Tigue What and she
was an Irish wise woman or white witch. So there's
just a lot of things falling into place here, and
Amanda started to think, Okay, maybe I can trust this spirit.

(22:54):
She said she'd seen catfish and she wanted to make
sure he wasn't trying to cat fish her. You know,
it's so funny to watch an Internet dating thing and go,
I don't want that to happen with this spirit I'm communicating, right,
I mean, she notes again that this is all through mediumship. Right,
you don't physically see the spirit, you don't physically hear

(23:15):
them with your eyes and ears, that, she says, would
be mental illness. Okay, this is medium ship, so it'll check.
The image that she received of him, that he sort
of put into her mind was pretty similar to Captain
Jack Sparrow um. And that initially made her skeptical because

(23:39):
she's like, well, that's not you. I've seen this movie.
I mean, that's Johnny Depp. And she says, a spirit
doesn't look like anything. That's like saying, what does WiFi
look like? Or what does electricity look like like? It
doesn't there is It's just an energy. Um. So it's
likely that Jack picked this image to transmit to her
so that he would be recognizable, she would feel safe

(24:01):
and comfortable speaking with him, right, And and it was
something she already liked. Yeah, exactly exactly makes sense, and
that could be could be just a calm approach, or
that could be totally deceptive, right, I can't decide. I'm like,
I guess it makes sense to be like, well, if
I have to give you a picture, I'll give you
something you already like to look at. But then, like,

(24:23):
I could give you anything. A dating app where your
profile picture is just Johnny Depp and someone's like, wow,
are you Johnny Depp? You're like, no, I just wanted
to I just wanted to bring you in. I just
wanted to get your yeah bait. Although, hey, if Johnny
Depp approaches you on a dating app, go ahead and
swipe left to date Johnny Depp. I don't think so. Yeah,

(24:47):
he's got some some rocky pass. Let's just say that
it's rocky present, probably a rocky future. I mean. Jack
also told her that they had met when he was
alive and she was in her previous life. So Amanda
went through what's known as a past life regression. UM,

(25:11):
so you can kind of find your past life and
find out what it was and get some more information. Um.
And her past life, she had wanted to run away
and be a pirate, but she never had the courage.
Then one day she finally did do it. She ran away,
she tried to join, but she was raped and murdered
by Ruffians. Ruffians, those guys are the worst Ruffians. And

(25:37):
Jack actually had come across the scuffle and tried to
help her, but she died in his arms. And this
is when she really saw him, you know him who
he was in life, and of course in the flashback
he didn't look anything like Johnny depp obviously because he
was a Haitian black man. So, I mean, he looks

(25:59):
very little like Jhnny depp um. And so she was
finally able to see what he had truly looked like
in life instead of this projected you know image he
thought would be flattering, right, right, so she got to
really get a good look and uh, and she really
appreciated it. She was like, I'm glad I actually know
what you look like now. Yeah. Right, and in a
past life he tried to save her. Yeah, you know,

(26:20):
which is that makes me really how chivalrous, you know,
what a nice guy? They said. They had actually like
locked eyes in a crowded market or something when she
first ran away at one point, and then uh and
then yeah, after she got attacked, he showed up and
He's like, oh, it's that beautiful woman I saw earlier,
but he was he was a little too late. Over
the next few months of meeting with him and asking

(26:42):
questions about the afterlife, she started to realize that she
had feelings for him. She said it was the kind
of crush that you hope goes away, that you know
is wrong, but then it doesn't. Like the more you
think about it, the stronger it gets. I think we've
all had a crush like that. Oh yeah, we stop.
I did not want this, Johnny Depp. No. And Jack

(27:06):
was actually the one who asked her first if she
felt something special for him and if maybe they could
be together. She was like, okay, buddy, all right, it's
like heart, Wait a second, theory, Laddie, what's so shy
about this. I am not nailing her accent. I am
doing generic Irish and she has a very specific accent.

(27:27):
It's actually white beautiful. Listen to interviews, so I love
the way she talks um. But she's like, yeah, this
this that sounds a little that sounds a little crazy
for me. And he explained to her that spiritual sex
was a possibility and actually a committed relationship between them
was even possible. So she went back to the books

(27:48):
and started researching this. I'm like this, she said, let
me check this ship out. She's not someone who's just
gonna walk into something like. She knows what sounds crazy.
Next time you're on Facebook and you see a random meme,
just think of Amanda. Go check it out before you share, right.
I mean, that's what's kind of great about her. She's
got that open mind where she's you know, willing to

(28:10):
Like she found out that yes, this was indeed possible. Okay, great,
I'm into it. But she didn't just She's not just
immediately going to believe everything she hears um. And so
she goes back to the book, she does some research,
She talks to some people in her community, and she
learns that indeed, in Shamanism, it was not unheard of

(28:30):
for a posthumous marriage to take place, for a person
to marry a spirit, and in fact, in Jack's own
Haitian culture, she said it was very common. Now Editor's note,
I'll say, in a cursory Google search, I was not
able to verify any of that about Haitian culture. Uh,

(28:51):
and it being common to marry spirits, So don't at me.
I'm just taking Jack's word for it here. I know,
common seems like a bad choice of word. I've like
marriage to person is probably more common. Nah, people are
always married ghosts excuse me, spirits. Let me emphasize that.
She does point out that a ghost is like if

(29:13):
you go to like a haunted place somewhere and there's
like a residual energy that kind of left behind. Um,
this can be from events and images that are sort
of trapped. She says, they can be locked in the
atmosphere through a certain kind of oxidization. That's a ghost.
But like an individual person who used to be deceased

(29:34):
and now their presence is here, that's a spirit. And
that's the difference there. Um, Okay, so you're all thinking
probably what immediately I thought, and what probably you thought? Uh,
y'all just said spiritual sex. And you can't just drop
that and leave it there. It isn't tell me more. Yeah, obviously,
well not just leave that there. Obviously we did not

(29:56):
what kind of romance hosts would would be if we
just said spiritual sex and moved on. Yeah, we fully
poked that bear. And Amanda says in the podcast interview
that she and Jack had tried to have spiritual sex
a few times, but she wasn't really sure how it
would work and like what to get out of it,
so it wasn't very successful. And she says, spiritual sex

(30:18):
is not masturbation very important note, because that's what we're
all thinking, is that just laying there there, Yeah, there's
a ghost and I'm gonna handle my handle my business here. Yeah.
But she says that if you're just lying there masturbating,
that's just a spirit watching you masturbate. Like there's no hey,

(30:40):
I'm not here to yuk somebody's ghostly yum exactly. I
like it when the spirits watch. So anyway, again, she
shows that she likes to do her own research, and
she went to other people in her spiritual community. She
just heard that spiritual sex was something they had heard of.

(31:02):
It just wasn't talked about very much for some reason.
They were like, it's just as taboo is talking about,
you know, your irregular sex life. Like we're not gonna
bring it up all the time out of nowhere. Nobody
wants to hear that. Ship. A number of them had
actually had spiritual sex, but probably as you say, they're like,
I mean I wasn't about to be like, guess, like, guys,

(31:24):
what I did last night? Then the act itself is
more about the actual energy transfer. Again, this is really
blowing me back to Berlin Wall because they talked about
how they had sex with objects and it wasn't about
just masturbating with different objects. It's really involving an energy
transfer and there is some kind of collaboration happening with

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the other party. Um, and this is like that, she says,
Just like when you feel a spirit touched your face
or the back of your neck, you know, and you
might get like, who what was that? You know what
I mean? It's very similar to that, but the it
touches you more intimately right, and you might go what
was that? What was that? Try again? Um? And she

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said about four months after they first tried it, they
finally quote got the fireworks, and ultimately she says, it's
the best sex she's ever had. Now, I don't know
whether or not to feel like, oh, do I I
should try spiritual sex times or if I'm like man,

(32:35):
the physical sex she had was not very good. Yeah,
that was incredible. I felt pretty good. I'm not even crying.
I don't feel sad and alone. It's amazing. Well, I

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hope that's not the case. Mind blowing, right, because it
was mind blowing tory spelling and scary movie. And she's
getting like Corrol. Well, now that we've gotten through the
sexy stuff, Uh, I think we'll take a little break,
kind of cool off for a second. I need to
drink some water, and we'll be back with more of
this haunting tale of iron ghosts right after this Welcome

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back to the show everyone. So with them having figured
out spiritual sex, Amanda started to think that we could
take this to the next level, and she started to
consider the legal possibility of the two of them getting married.
Now to Jack, marriage wasn't important. When she talked to

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him about it, he was like, Uh, you know, I'm
not really the kind of the commitment kind of guy.
You know, I love you, baby, and I'll be here forever.
But you know, why put a label on it. Isn't
it more important that we choose each other every tean
but um Amanda felt like if she was going to

(34:09):
commit to a monogamous relationship with this spirit she wanted
him to commit as well. She wanted assurances. She really
just she just wanted the real deals. She just wanted
to be married to her lover, so he basically was like,
all right, he, I'll do it for you. There was
no precedent in Ireland or the UK for a posthumous

(34:30):
marriage at the time, meaning that there was nothing saying
that they legally could do this. But it also meant
there was nothing saying legally that they couldn't. So yeah, yeah,
She's like, you didn't say no. So she starts asking around,
trying to find a church who would marry them, but everyone,

(34:53):
you know, was turning her down for some reason. Real
clothes minded. She knocked on the door. I'd like to
marry me and my fiance Jack would like to get married.
Oh well, that sounds good. Where is he? He's right here.
Hang on, close your eyes, I'll have him put his
hand on your neck. Uh. But no, that they're they're

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denying her left and right. But finally she finds this
pagan church and she spoke to the self described Celtic
shaman Patrick Amon Carberry. Pedric Aman Carberry, he was a
legal wedding efficient in Northern Ireland, and he agreed to
marry them. Now they couldn't do the wedding on UK soil.

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Something in the legalities there wouldn't allow it, so she
rented a ship and planned her wedding to be off
the coast of Ireland in international waters. Pretty cool. And
for the marriage to be legal there had to be
verbal consent from both parties. So I mean, obviously Amanda
couldn't just be like, oh, he just said I do.
Everything's fine. I swear he told me. Oh, yes, he

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just said I do, and some lovely things about me.
He also says, your shoes to match your dress. Carol day,
it was Jack throw in shade from the altar wait
for the party bro anyway, so they had to find
an independent, third party medium to channel Jack's vows, to

(36:28):
channel his vows, and they searched far and wide and
eventually found someone that connected to Jack, because I guess
you can't just get any medium, find someone who can
really tune in to the right vibrations whatever. Um. But
this medium that was able to communicate with Jack. Her
name was Crystal Dove. And Jack had another friend named

(36:51):
Matthew who was going to be his best man. So
that's cute. He had a best man and he had
his mouthpiece. I guess, yeah, I mean another medium, I
guess friend of Arris. Who who was who communicated with
Jack on his own Yeah, and they were Buddy's cute
that he had. He had someone on his side of
the of the wedding. That's pretty cool, um and bonus romance.

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This is so cute. Matthew and Crystal Dove fell in
love and were engaged later in So that's cute. How
did y'all meet? What a story. I was the medium
who was acting as a proxy for a spirit who
was getting married, and he was that spirit's best and

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it was just love at first site. Amanda had found
a portrait of Captain Jack Sparrow of Johnny Depp, you know,
his character, thirty by thirty inch canvas painting. She got
some dope fan art, even though he didn't look like
Jack Sparrow, and she knew that already. I think that's
kind of weird, but whatever, that's okay. She got a

(37:58):
picture of Jack Sparrow, and she and Jack agreed to
use that as his proxy during the wedding. So she
had something kind of like Akihiko having the dollar. You know,
you have to have something there there, you know, to
look at and and and speak to and everything. Um.
So she had this portrait and most of her friends
travel in the same circles. There very much in the

(38:19):
spiritual you know, shaman world and stuff. So even though
they might have been surprised that she was actually marrying him,
they still accepted it and they came for the wedding
to celebrate. Yeah. I mean, come on, though, you don't
turn that wedding invite down. Definitely not. You want to
get on this boat? Hi? There, friend, why don't you

(38:39):
come out with me on this boat. We're going to
sail into international waters and I'm going to marry a
spirit Oh really, Um, I find my calendar free that
let me definitely join you there. I'll start packing a
bag right now. I mean I would go to that
wedding even if it wasn't an open bar. Oh. Yeah,
I want to that. Oh I need to be there

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for that wedding. Um. Amanda's mother was certainly dubious the
whole thing, um, but she did come to the wedding.
Her father, however, declined his invitation. So after a lot
of planning and thought and talks with lawyers, they set
sail for their ceremony on July but that's when things

(39:25):
started to go wrong. The ship sailed out into the ocean,
and the waves became shoppier and the trip got rough.
It took hours to get to the position they'd set.
Guests began to get sick, even though no one had
claimed to be prone to seasickness. The sky became gray
and a squall seemed to be approaching. Soon, the rain

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came crashing down and the wind began to howl. The
ship was tossed to and fro as guests huddled in
the cabin. What had started as a cheerful wedding day
was turning into terror as guests grabbed the rails for
dear life. Between crashes of thunder, she heard bridesmaids gagging
and vomiting. One girl fell several times and was nearly

(40:13):
thrown overboard. Amanda was trying to fight back the tears
as her dream wedding was becoming a nightmare. After what
felt like an eternity, they reached international waters. The rain
let up, but a cold and foreboding wind still blew.
She hoped for the boat to stabilize as the captain

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wade anchor, but the generator was so loud she could
barely hear the music. As the ceremony begin, the skipper
and the officient spoke with her and told her that
the ceremony would have to be cut short. It was
like someone was telling her, begging her not to go
through with it. She came close to calling off the
ceremony entirely, but she persevered because she believed this was

(40:57):
true love and no one could understand the way she
felt for him. They agreed to just perform the legal
parts of the ceremony. One bridesmaid held the Johnny Depp portrait.
Another held a candle which was completely impossible to light.
As they began the ceremony, a guest darted towards the
rail but missed and threw up all over Amanda's wedding dress.

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A nightmare. I can't imagine a worse story for a
bride than somebody threw up on my dress at the altar.
Disgusting and horrible, and understandably, she burst into tears and
ran to the cabin, heartbroken that everything was going so poorly.
But she felt Jack's presence urging her to go on,

(41:43):
and she didn't want to let him down. His energy
reminded her, I've been jilted before after all, Oh, let's see,
that's creepy to me, Like it's like a little gas lighty,
like well if I'm oh, you don't want to do this,
but if you don't, it's kind of it's kind of
bad for me. Like, I mean, it's weird too, because

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he wasn't into it in the first place, right here,
getting pushy like that about come on, Jack, what's doing
a little weird Jack? So she went back to the
deck and in a blur, they did what they needed
to do for the marriage to be legal. There was
no rush, no excitement. It didn't feel like she was married,

(42:27):
just kind of disappointment. It was a real let down,
and Jack said he appreciated her going through with it.
In the coming days, she was dismayed and heartbroken. She
asked Jack if they could continue the ceremony somewhere else,
and he was resistant and strangely adversarial. She convinced him

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to do a hand fasting ceremony, but only if it
was quiet and a family only affair. A hand fasting
ceremony is a Celtic tradition where the bride and groom
hold hands. There's like a rope that's wrapped around both
their hands. They're tied together. You'd see it in Brave Heart,
you know some of these older movies, you've seen it.

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Over the next few weeks, everything was more or less normal.
Six weeks after the wedding, they had planned for their
hand fasting, but that was also plagued with issues. Amanda's
daughter had gone into premature labor and her baby had
to be kept at the hospital. Amanda herself saw the
first of what would be many abscesses on her skin,

(43:31):
and in the same week, Amanda's mother was admitted to
the hospital, but the ceremony went on. It was completed,
and after the hand fasting, Amanda finally felt like she
was married. But it was the first of some strange
health concerns to follow. Over the next few months, the
abscesses continued. She was plagued with skin issues and started

(43:55):
to feel sick regularly. She started to miss her periods,
which had never happened before for her, and a pregnancy
test came back positive. She told the doctor there was
no way she could be pregnant. A spirit literally cannot
impregnant anyone. It's very emphatic about this. Like again, let
me make sure you all understand that a spirit is

(44:15):
a spirit and there is nothing physical there. There's no dick,
there's no nothing. It's all touched and feel in energy. Energy. Yeah,
there's no I can't see him, I can't hear him.
He certainly can't make me pregnant. Now that makes no sense,
but the doctor insisted she must be pregnant because this

(44:36):
this pregnancy test. As you're pregnant, I'll need to tell
you man. It turned out that she had a very
low hormone count, which can trigger a false positive pregnancy test,
So there was no baby there. She had a spirit
husband and a phantom baby. Now mostly, she said her
life was just like any other normal couple who had
been married. They fought, they made love, they entertained each other,

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and they had their own separate lives. Or I guess
she had her own separate life and he had his
own separate death. Well, I guess he had his friend Matthew,
so he had some other people to talk to. A
few months later, her dog Toby became very ill. Now
he was seventeen years old, so it's pretty old for
a dog. She knew that he would pass soon. Um

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doctors told her he had cancer most of his body,
and when he died, she gave him a proper funeral
and had him cremated. But Jack was very resistant to
helping Toby cross over, and during a trance, while she's
trying to help her dog cross over to the spiritual realm,
Toby spirit would not go to him. If your dog

(45:45):
don't like your boyfriend, get another boyfriend. They fought over it,
and Amanda stopped speaking to Jack. There you go, girl,
dog first, even the ghost of the dog and how
to have And she had Toby's pop print and a

(46:05):
clipping of his fur in a bag, but when she
went back to look for them, they were gone. That
would be hard. That would be hard, especially recently, a
recent death. It would just be hard to lose those things.
So she offered a reward. She asked all of her neighbors.
She searched high and low, and finally she she returned

(46:26):
to her spirituality for the answers. She meditated. She asked
her deities to help her find the items, and to
her horror, they showed her Jack. So she went to
confront Jack about this. She's like, she was just totally
shocked that that's the image they gave her, and he

(46:48):
swore that a negative entity came and took these items
and it wasn't him, It wasn't me, baby, it was
the demons. I'd never do you like that, But some
crazy evil bills a Bob came in here took your
doggies paw print. Now, Amanda's health was continuing to decline here,

(47:15):
so she's getten a weird feeling about Jack, and she's
starting to piece together like woy, I really started to
feel sick and get all these like skin problems and
everything right after the wedding. So she went back to
her mentors and she kind of asked them, Hey, is
is it possible that maybe my spirit boyfriend is hurting

(47:37):
me in some kind of way bringing me harm? Yea,
And they said they were like, oh, you know, it's
likely probably that some curse came upon you and that's
really all you're dealing with here. Jack. Now, it's probably
not Jack. It's probably some curse you've got to deal with.
So she's like, okay, you know what, maybe I judge

(47:58):
Jack too harshly. She goes back to him, She's like, hey,
we need to talk um. You know, we've we've been
at odds over this Toby thing, and I've I've been
kind of wondering some stuff about you, But I feel
good about it now. You know what, Let's smooth this out.
There's a curse screwing with us, and our love is
stronger than that. No curse is going to screw things

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up here. And they kind of debated a little bit,
they got back on track, started to feel like their
relationship was improving again, and then miraculously, Toby's pop print
and hair clippings reappeared. Now, some might say that she
misplaced these items and then later found them, but that's cynical.

(48:44):
We've we may consider that Jack did in fact take them,
and after there was no you know, conflict between them anymore,
he decided to bring them back. You know, you decide.
It seems weird though, for him to take it while
they were already in conflict and then bring him back

(49:05):
when they were out of conflict, to make it even weirder. No,
because he's mad at her and he wants to hurt her.
So he just took something that was that he knew
would upset her and he kept it, you know, like,
I'm not gonna destroy it. I'm just like, I just
want you to to sting for a while and then
they felt better. He was probably like a hot cheese.
I shouldn't have done that, all right, And I'm just
gonna slid it back in here. It's gonna be like

(49:26):
it was never gone, you know. Okay, classic classic dick move,
Yeah for real? Or you know, she I forgot where
she put him and then she got him. It's up
to you, you decide. Um, Okay, But before we get
into the rest of the story. Um, let's take a

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quick break and we're back with the chilling conclus illusion
of Amanda Large Tigue and her husband, the spirit pirate
Captain Jack Tigue. In June of her illness is worsened

(50:10):
more open sores on her skin. Eventually she was in
the hospital with sepsis and they needed to perform emergency
surgery as a matter of life and death. Now, the
surgery was successful and it was uneventful, but she says
it was really painful and she was left traumatized. She
was diagnosed with postoperative PTSD and she had anxiety attacks

(50:35):
and overwhelming feelings like death was right behind her at
any time. Yeah, this surgery, she was like really scared
to go in um and go under. She kind of
felt sort of spiritually vulnerable to not be in control
every faculties, especially uh in that she was feeling pretty
haunted at this point. So she was really nervous about

(50:57):
Um being sedated, and she asked if she could do
it without anesthesia and they were like, no, this is
a very invasive. I kind of left some of the
medical aspects out of what was going on with her
at this point, but it was very personal and kind
of gross. UM. So uh, she had to do the

(51:20):
surgery and again it was fine, but yeah, she was
she was. She said, it was very painful. It sounds horrible.
Soon after discussion with others in her community, it became
clear Jack was sucking her light away. Her last abscesses
had started right after her last spiritually intimate encounter with Jack,

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just as they had began immediately after their wedding, And
when she went back and looked at her medical notes,
they all seemed to be timed with their intimate encounters,
and when they took breaks, her illness cleared up. So
she is still questioned in the reality of all this
and everything, but the patterns were like kind of too
clear for her to ignore. The illness continued the more

(52:08):
time she spent with Jack, and she formed a fistula
that became a chronic issue, and they told her that
she would probably need this very invasive surgery another one
and the outcomes were very um sketchy, like there was
there was a high risk procedure that could leave her
with a lifetime of incontinence, possibly severe pain the rest

(52:31):
of her life, maybe even the inability to walk nikes.
She was on antibiotics indefinitely and were just like, just
keep taking these because it's not good. She had to
keep getting this thing drained. Eventually she had to do
it herself. Psoriasis broke out on her hands. She was
having trouble sleeping and walking and using the bathroom without

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an incredible amount of pain. What she didn't know at
this point was if Jack knew what he was doing
to her. She wasn't sure if she could maintain this
relationship with them without the consequences. She certainly considered, like, hey,
we can make this work. Maybe if I sort of
explained to him what's happening, like he can sort of
find a way to back off and we can still

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be together. But she had a friend in Germany who
was also in a relationship with a spirit, but her
spirit was a deity much more powerful being. The friend
asked her deity to help Amanda, and the deity came
to her in an astral dream and he showed her
Jack pulling Amanda's life force from her, draining her, using

(53:39):
her energy to keep himself bound to the earth. And
worst of all, he was hanging his head low in
guilt and shame because he knew what he was doing
and what it was doing to her. And Amanda confronted Jack,
but then she saw a more hostile and aggressive side
of him like he had never seen before. He refused

(54:02):
to leave, saying she had promised herself to him and
that he would kill her before he allowed her to
abandon him. That is just again classic abuser. Anyone who's
been in a toxic relationship can probably fill in this
entire conversation. Um, it's all the same type of tropes
and how fucked up to be Like I found a
spiritual husband's still an abusive asshole. You can't even punch

(54:26):
me and you're still hurt me. It's like it weirdly
gives the story a lot of credence to me that
I'm like, if this was just like a hunky dorry,
I got married to a spirit and we're all happy
the rest of my life and may be like, okay,
sure you are, have fun. I'm not going to interfere.
But these stories, I'm like, this is how a person
would act, you know, an abusive like leech of a person. Uh,

(54:49):
this totally tracks. Makes the story way more believable to me.
Very true. Fortunately, though, Amanda stood her ground and she
told Jack that he would not win and it was
time for the big guns. You know. She couldn't just
handle this by herself. So Amanda went back to her
spirit guides and deities, and she knew she had to

(55:11):
apologize for having ignored the warning signs they sent her
about Jack a little crow. She wasn't even sure if
they would help her. The one earthly friend of hers,
who had warned her explicitly about this pirate, was more
than willing to help her now. Fortunately, so in December eighteen,
they scheduled a soul extraction to be performed by three shamans.

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This is a very delicate process and she needed to
be certain that Jack was gone. She didn't know what
this would do to Jack or where it would send him,
but she knew he had to go, and at this
point she didn't really care because all she felt for
him was hatred at this point. So they get together
and they begin this ritual, and I imagine they're candles everywhere,

(55:59):
you know, old Oh yeah, that's sure, sure, a big
old tomb of sorts, uh and and a wind picks
up from nowhere in the Shamans are all standing in
a three points of a star. Shaman's call out, Jack,
we called to you, You're I'm here, And Amanda could

(56:22):
feel his presence in the room. Your skin started to
crawl and and Jack looked to her and he said,
you know, I'm I'm so sorry for what I've been
doing to the Amanda. I just I can't. I don't
feel good about it. It's just all I could do.
I just you know, you know, I've been through out myself,

(56:43):
you know, so honestly, maybe maybe I mode an apology,
you know, like Stamons are like, don't look at her,
look at me. You gotta go, Jack, you gotta go.
And so Jack comes around, He's like, okay, okay, yes,
I sucked the thought you so I could survive. But
isn't that kind of what you're doing to me? Now? No, no, no, Jack,

(57:07):
Now you're not going to pull that one on us.
That is such classic abusive boyfriend bullshit again. You know,
just uh oh, I'm abusing you. Well, maybe you're abusing
me by calling me an abuser. Now you're making me
feel bad about making you feel bad. Such a classic
gas lighting. He's swirling around the room and Amanda began

(57:30):
to feel her hatred kind of turned to sympathy. Jack
had been acting out of fear for losing his identity,
and he had been doing so for three hundred years.
The Shamans called forth a deity Hella to move Jack on.
Can can some Shamans call Hella for me? Please? She
looks like Blanche. Yes, I saw Ragnarok and I definitely

(57:53):
want Hella to be summoned to me. Called forth Hella,
please and thank you. I'll take it. Hey if she
throws a you know, six ft spear straight through my face,
but it was Hella who didn't. It's Hella. Good to me.
But Hella revealed to Amanda that she and Jack actually

(58:15):
had been soulmates and had Jack reincarnated when he died,
rather than staying in the spirit world, they would have
been together in life. Oh man, that's that's heartbreak. Yeah.
But since he did not, this was the only way
that they were able to find each other. M hm.

(58:35):
So Jack eventually said, Okay, I'll go, but I ask
you to forgive me, and instead of annulling the marriage,
please consider yourself widowed and try to remember the good times.
You know, all the all the ghostly porking we did,

(58:56):
the best sex of your life. Yeah, even though it
gave you painful abscesses. Has to remember that time that
I railed ye. Amanda agreed to remember all the times
that he railed her. No, she agreed to consider herself widowed.

(59:18):
And she felt the spiritual energy of a kiss on
her cheek, and Jack asked permission to channel himself into
one of the shamans so that he could hug her
one last time. And even though she wanted him gone,
it was painful to let go again. Probably anyone who's
been in a toxic relationship can speak to that as well.

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But finally the embrace ended and Amanda felt like something
was being physically pulled out of her body and she collapsed.
The ritual was over. Jack was gone. Within days, her
body started to recover. The psoriasis cleared up, her fistulas

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stopped giving her issues entirely. Her doctors were amazed that
she healed as well as she did without a serious
invasive surgical procedure. That is incredible. That's amazing. I mean,
like you said, lend some credence that her health problem
started right around the time she's marrying this spirit and
then they're over action. I mean, like that's I don't know.

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And now she focuses on her own happiness. She decided
never to do mediumship or spirit work again. She almost
abandoned the life completely, but her patron god is Heckade
guided her to maintain her relationships with her spiritual team
and told her that she would be guided on where
to go when the time came. And now she wants

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to encourage others not to make the same mistakes that
she did, and to help educate people about the potential
dangers of spiritual relationships. She says it's not her goal
to encourage people to break from their partners, but just
to make them aware of what may happen. You never
know if that's really Johnny Depp's ghost or if this

(01:01:12):
guy is sucking the life out of you, I'm going
to put you in the hospital. She says self love
and preservation is not selfish, it's necessary. And she says
that energy attracts like energy. She was in a bad
place at the time and she brought something bad to her.
But now she says, I have fallen in love finally

(01:01:33):
with the right person, and it's me and it's the
greatest love of all. She dedicates herself now to animal rescue.
Get throwback to Toby, and she sees all living beings
as having a soul and an identity, and proceeds of
her book A New Attitude. Go to Dogs Aid and
Lucy's Trust, which are animal rescue groups in Ireland. That's cool. Yeah,

(01:01:58):
go check out the book. I mean I picked it
up my self and uh, it's on it's on kindall
there's a few bucks and goes to help dogs and
it's it's it's a wild read. There's a lot more
in there. Obviously this is a condensed version of that story,
but she talks a lot about, you know, her personal
life and all the time that she spent with Jack,

(01:02:18):
both good and bad. That's a lot more fleshed out,
and uh, it's it's certainly a fascinating read. And I'll
tell you what. There's you know, there's two sides of
me and they have totally different opinions about this. And
that's okay because I'm like, you know, she's not hurting anybody.

(01:02:38):
This is how. There's a professor named T. M. Lerman
who's uh psychological anthropologist at Stanford University. She studies modern
day witches and like charismatic Christians and these sort of
religions that kind of suck people in and how trauma
kind of plays into that, I think. And she says

(01:03:00):
that the trauma of Amanda losing her son may have
caused her to go into a dissociative trance like state
that could sort of create dreamlike experiences. And so instead
of becoming memories, right, these experiences someone has while in
a trance can actually remain alive and sort of stay

(01:03:21):
with you, so the person kind of keeps going back
to them. It's not like, oh, I was in this
trance and I experienced this thing. It's a perpetual experience
that continues to go on, so it might manifest itself.
Is sort of like a relationship you're having or a
person you've been speaking to regularly. Um, So you know,

(01:03:42):
I kind of call her professor party pooper because sort
of takes the fun out of it. But I'm like, hell,
if that's what she's doing, if she's manifesting this reality
to help cope with that trauma, then great. I mean,
you know, as she's dealing with it in her own
way and what's not doing right And she didn't hurt

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anybody in the meantime, right, And I'm not going to
come in and interrupt her dealing with that by saying, Hey,
this isn't real. You're making this all up. This is
a fantasy. Like that's just disruptive and you know, harmful.
And then yeah, if it helps you to have a
soul extraction to get something you know, funked up out

(01:04:26):
of you, then do it. I mean, it's it kind
of reminds me of like people after a breakup or something,
or or even just in a transitional period of their
life or whatever, they'll write things and then burn Yeah, sure,
like that whatever they want to let go of and
then burn the paper. But it's a very similar thing
that nothing really happens there that you can see that

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a lot of people when they do it, they really
do feel like I've let something go it. I feel lighter,
I feel like I really have done something. Can we
argue with that? I mean, you know, not really. It's
just like any psychology work where you're like, I've been
doing therapy for a while and now I feel better.
You can't see it, but like, does it make it

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any less true? Look at the breakdown here. She lost
her three month old son, and she starts questioning life
and death obviously, and then she finds a spirit who
is still here that she can commune with and have
a relationship with. Like that very much sounds like a

(01:05:29):
coping mechanism that that works. And then she starts to
have she goes through a traumatic health crisis, and what
does she have with her that is able to absorb
that blame that she's able to point to and say,
this isn't just a random thing in a chaotic universe.
This is a negative entity that is causing this to

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happen to me. That makes so much more sense. That's
easier to deal with than it's just the way things are.
It just random. And then when her brain is sort
of one with that, and it's like, we feel better. Uh,
we're healing, and we've we've dealt with the trauma of loss.
Now we can get rid of this thing. And so

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it creates the story of I'm blaming on him and
we're going to exercise this spirit and now it's gone
for good. And her brain never tells her, by the way,
I made this all up for you. Her brain just says, like,
I found an escape. Now we're out. Now we can
move past it. We'll keep spirituality in a little box
here in case we need it again, but let's just

(01:06:32):
go out and live a happier, healthier life now. And like,
who can argue with that. Great good for your brain
for being your therapist in a way, you know, like
that your brain created what it needed to to get
you through that ship, and then it got past it
and no one was harmed in the process. You came
out on the other side stronger and happier. That's awesome.

(01:06:53):
Or she married a spirit or or it all just happened.
I mean. And it's like, if it sounds crazy that
your brain would make up such an elaborate scenario, you know,
the brain is weird, man. If it can make you
forget whole traumatic events in your life so that you
can wake up every day and keep going going. Um,

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why not? Why couldn't it make up an illusion for
you to to find some comfort in or some kind
of explanation for things that you can't deal with? And
why do people outside of that? I feel like they
need to interrupt it and bring it back to reality,
Like uh uh no, no, what you're doing isn't real.

(01:07:39):
I need to get in there and change it to
match my reality, right, Like, no, just let it be right? Well, yeah, well,
just because you said that right after my repressed memories thing,
I think there are definitely you have to get in there.
Sometimes they can do you harm without you realizing it.
You're not remembering, but you have certain survival instincts that

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pop up and keeping you from things because of that
repressed memory, and you just don't know why they're there.
So just to say, that's a great time to dig
in and let me figure this out. But yeah, but yeah,
if someone's like, I'm marrying a ghost and then I
divorced the ghost to help me really work through some ship,
then I don't care I work through you ship. I mean,
therapy is important and invaluable and uh necessary for many people.

(01:08:23):
You can always just imagine a ghost to get yourself
through some trauma. I wish my brain would imagine me
a ghost, all right, ship, but it will not do it.
It's just like that. Ain't that ain't a thing? Girl? Sorry,
you need the trade therapist, you need a science thing.
Yeah exactly, I'll say too that she when asked, you know,
she's aware people call her crazy or a publicity horror.

(01:08:45):
She said something. She hears a lot. She's just doing
this for the attention, blah blah blah, but mostly like
you're a cook, you know, this never happened. And she says, Look,
people every day speak to God. They pray or they eve,
uh you know, in horoscopes, or they get their tarot
cards read, or their fortunes told. They go to church,

(01:09:08):
they they they sit and have conversations with God in
their minds and then their hearts. How is that any different?
You know? Uh, It's it's all just energy. And she says,
it's just an energy transfer. And this is how it
is for me, and it might be different for you.
But I'm not out here telling you that your thing
is false and you're crazy for thinking it. Um, she's

(01:09:31):
just kind of shocked that people can't sort of translate
that information to different areas well. Band, I hope this
story gave you a fright. I know it was a
good one. I liked it. It challenged me, challenge it was.
You know, I'm very inclined to laugh at somebody like
Amanda f Tique, So I'm glad that we went in

(01:09:52):
and and looked at it with an open mind. Definitely,
I mean, I don't know, she's not she's making me
a believer. I'm personally I'm glad to hear that from you,
because I was definitely like reading this story and I mean,
I'm not it's really a spiritual person. Uh, I'm not
really a ghost believer. But I also was reading this

(01:10:13):
story like, I can't laugh at this. You know, I'm
I'm very firm in my beliefs, but I also am
completely aware that all the time, people are very firm
in their beliefs that end up being completely wrong. I mean,
we were firm in beliefs of all kinds of nonsense
for thousands of years. Um, So that you know I can,

(01:10:34):
I can very strongly stand up for what I believe
in and also say, but you know, at the end
of the day, who knows. Um. So I really liked
coming at this story is just very open mind and um,
and it's it's easy to laugh at, but I think
it's more fun to not. I had a better time
accepting it. Yeah, But like you say, the world's more

(01:10:56):
fun and it's more interesting if you can say, Okay, sure,
let me go with you on this and see where
it leads, um before I judge it. If it leads
somewhere funked up, then I'll judge it all day. But um,
but just because I have never had an experience with

(01:11:16):
a ghost, UM, doesn't mean I disbelieve everybody who I
know who has had an experience of with some kind
of haunting or some kind of unexplained phenomenon or whatever,
because that would be, I mean, kind of egotistical of
me to be like, well, how whatever I can see
is real and whatever you can see is maybe not real.

(01:11:37):
I had to tell me first and let me decide.
Like like we said about mediums, I think people are
also kind of in tune to different frequencies sometimes, and
I'm not in that I'm not in tune with that frequency.
But somebody else might be and I can only take
them at their word. Well, I hope you took us
at our word and uh and please tell us your thoughts. Uh.

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