Cassidy | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek - ROC Solid

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all. This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart
Radio and the Black Effect Network and partnership with my
guys over at Drink Champs.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
You should know about know you should know about.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, y'all, you already know what it is. Yours truly
M Greasy back with another exclusive Rock Solid podcast. We
back in the building, y'all. I got my brother to
the left for me. You already know Cassidy, the motherfucking monster,
the hustler, everything spitter come to that battle rappers. Shit shit.

(00:45):
One of my niggas on my team even got hit
by the by the hustler, So gotta respect this.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hustle, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Shit real. Want to welcome my God to the building,
Philly's own one of the best spinners out of Philly, Cassidy,
my motherfucking God.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome bro.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Happy New year, man, y'all. Man, how you being my Jake.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm happy to be here, man. You know it's the
hottest podcast on the streets right now, so appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
You heard it from his mouth to Guard's ends, y'all
heard it ain't me. I'll be saying ship. But I don't, y'all.
I mean he said it, not me, Yo, my g
I've been seeing you on the neck going crazy the
battle rapping ship. How that been man? Like last ship
ended in the motherfucking bra Yo, that shit be dying
like yo, cast still out here ready to box these niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's my favorite part about this ship, man battle rap
being competitive, disrespect the Niggas's funny Man.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
No, y'all niggas be saying yo in that battle rap league,
niggas be saying the most faullist ship you could think about.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Ge like Noah. But I'm gonna tell you why I'm
really backing that battle rap area. It's not like I
have to be Like I'm already solidified as an artist
on the other side, so I don't really have to
do that. But I've been rapping for so long at
a high level, Like even when I was a young boy,
as a teenager, they was putting me on a high

(02:12):
high level, you know what I mean. I was battling
at a rapid rate and just putting in so much
work for so many years. And when you get in
the business and you realize how the industry work, how
niggas in the industry work, how the game go, Like
to keep the passion that you had when you was
unfamiliar with all of that. Like when you just love

(02:34):
hip hop and you as a fan of other artists
and you watching the videos, your aspect of what the
industry is. Its completely different than when you really inside
of it and you seeing what's going on. So for
decade after decade, to keep the passion, to keep stepping
it up and writing bars and saying the craziest shit,

(02:57):
it's just super difficult. So that's why I wanted to
get back and badly rap, because that's the area where
people will talk a little crazy, will try to discredit you.
They won't look at the catalog and with your accomplish
they'll just try to get discredit you for today. So
that's what I needed to get on my job because
I wrapped to be the best. So when a nigga

(03:18):
try to discredit me, I want to prove them wrong.
I want to show you that I could still get busy.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
So you see I said before off camera, my nigga,
I say, Yo, you got balls, You got balls doing
that shit, my nigga. Because to be from the battle
rapping side. Then to come into the industry platinum records,
gold records, gold albums, all that type of stuff, and
then to go back it's like, you know, it's almost

(03:45):
like they're gonna look at you with the he good already,
he don't need this. So it's like they gonna always
root for the underdog, I feel like, and for you
to still be like, I don't give a fuck. Y'all
can root for the underdog, but I'm a make sure
y'all root for me when this shit is all over.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Like I respect that and.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
That like that takes real, real gut and mental strength, bro.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like, and that's why I appreciate them battle rappers for
getting me active again. Man, you know what I'm saying,
because now and that I am back active. You know,
the battle rap fans, how many, however many it is,
it could be like anywhere from ten thousand to one
hundred thousand, like lowyer, battle rap fans that watch all
the blogs, know all of the battle rappers, know what's

(04:33):
going on. It's billions of fans of battle rap period,
Like just people being competitive and battling and thising each other.
I'm talking about this new form of battle rap these
new leagues they started, it could be like ten to
one hundred thousand fans all together. So what they used
to is something is their own thing that they used to.

(04:56):
So it's like when not when not? When I I
jump back in that bag, it's like difficult to please
them because they already used to what they used to,
But it just get me back active. So now everybody
like yo on beat, nobody could fuck with cast. And
that's what I want, Like, that's what I really do.
I'm a real artist. I really put in decades on beat,

(05:18):
Like while y'all always battling, I was working on beats.
So that's what I really specialize in. So that's what
I want. And that's where I really get my money from.
From drawing shows from the tree of music that I
got that streaming from features from uh movie sampling my
like a thousand and one Tianna Teller lass movie. Just

(05:41):
use the old record mend Requindre from my second album.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Got that Ward two man.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
She she definitely super deserve it, she do. And she
got a new movie that's about the Drop that's going
to have another one of my songs on it. So
you know, I really get my real money from music.
You know what I'm saying. So that's what I want
people to respect, to know that people can't mess with
me on beat. But batter rappers, what is what make

(06:11):
me want to get back active and stay on my job.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And they hear him say that to me, it's like weird,
Like he's like, yo, I get busy, ol beat, it's
my dog freeway set put that beat on. Niggas you
in my round now. Niggas like, no, it wasn't the
artist did they ain't need to beat this? How did
that come uput? I always wanted to know, like what
was your mindset on that day? Because I know Swiss

(06:36):
and Hole was talking shit each other and niggas went
up there like yo, we're going to battle this new artist.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Niggas.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
All of my raps go to beats though, like I'm
not one of them batter rappers. They be writing off beat,
like they don't wrap to no beats, so they the
timing be off and it will never land on beat.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I can't write a beat a rap to no beat.
I have to have a beat the rap.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, Like so all of my raps at that time
went to a beat so I could have rapped to
a beat with Free but it was just the energy
we was trying to create, that no beat energy, and
that's what led to all of these new battle leagues
starting with no beat. That's the energy they felt with
the no beat. So I guess it was like all
the higher power like making it like that, you know

(07:18):
what I'm saying. But that's how we used to get
busy back then. Time it was, but most of the
time to no beat because it wasn't really beats available
in the street when you see niggas and want to
get busy. So but the freeway you asked me about
the freeway shit I got started. I'm in the studio
with Swiss. He working on his Mary J. Blige song.

(07:40):
They did it already, Hole rapped on it, so it's
jay Z rapping on it, Mary singing. Swiss did the beat,
but they did it like a little minute ago, so
they wanted to update the beat as some little sounds.
And I think when Whole did the verse, it might
have been maybe don't know if it was years ago

(08:01):
or however long it was, but maybe some of the clothing,
like he was talking about the clothing lines or something
might have been a little dated, so he wanted to
update the lyrics too, so he was coming back to
update the lyrics. Swiss was coming to update the beat.
So I'm just with Swiss. We pull up to this
Mary session, but Mary not there. It's just us. He

(08:22):
just working on the beat. We're in the stud I'm like, man,
let me just tell the driver to take me to
McDonald's because I'm getting a little hungry. He working on beat.
I'm gonna go to McDonald's. So why the driver taking
me to McDonald's. I turned on Hot nine seven and
that's when I had state property up there up there
and crazy too, and it felt like they because I'm they.

(08:45):
It felt like they're talking to me like they like
cuz man, they like, can't none of these niggas fuck
with us, man, None of these niggas, Yo. When this
the part that really fucked me? Yeah? Though, yo, and
jay Z said he on the radio. I got whatever

(09:05):
he said, Yeah, I got whatever. He said. That nigga
called that and said he wanted to bet. Guess how
much he said he want to bet? They like how much?
He like a thousand dollars? I said, what, yo? These
niggas is talking crazy on the radio to the world.
I'm like, yo, I'm right here. I read so why

(09:28):
fuck with it? Though? That is Philly?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, attention, that's why you felt that, Like some
Philly niggas they talking to me crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm like, Yo, they kind of talking to me though,
but they not.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
But I just they definitely wasn't talking to you.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Why when I when I come back from McDonald's or whatever,
I go upstairs, I'm like, yo, Swiss man, I just
was on the radio listening to these niggas. Bro, these
niggas is talking crazy. Bro. They disrespecting the world, talking
crazy to everybody. He like smoke, He like, who, I'm like, man, Steak, Property,
jay Z, everybody all on there talking crazy. He like, oh,

(10:08):
all right, don't worry about that whole on his way
to the studio anyway, Like he working on his record
with me on his way anyway. So I'm like all right.
So I'm like, I'm excited because I'm a fan. So
I'm like, I'm finally about to meet the nigga. Nigga,
I've been listening to all these projects and albums. I'm
finally about to meet the nigga. Like, I'm excited. So

(10:28):
I'm like, Yo, that's what's up. So I'm just sitting
on the couch chilling, thinking of like little Man ran
bars and shit chilling. Next thing, you know, jay Z
walking the door. I'm like, oh shit, it's my first
time seeing the nigga. I'm just I mean analyzing this
the mean and I'm just like, damn actually seeing this

(10:49):
nigga that was rapping all this shit right. But it
immediately go from me being a fan and respecting the
nigga to at this time, I ain't e an industry
developed yet. I ain't like I ain't I'm not. I'm
just new. So I'm straight from the streets. So I'm
kind of a little shout out at this time. So

(11:10):
he like talking to Swiss. But when he introduced me, yo,
this is Swiss. Introduced me, Yo, this is Cassidy, the
hottest nigga on the street. He next up him. He
like what him? He like, you ain't just hit my
niggas on the radio. I got the next niggas? Who
is he this nigger? So I'm like that's when it

(11:35):
switched from fan.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
To like it's smoke.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Were talking about. But I'm still like not saying that
because it's it's jay Z. So I'm not saying that,
and I'm just I'm like, all right, he like this
nigger him. So I'm sitting on the couch like how
we have is like this snigger right here is the
next nigga. Nah, nigga, fuck out of here. You ain't next.

(12:03):
He like, nigga, how old is you? You look young?
At shit, nigga. He like, yo, you want me to
put you against my sixteen year old Chris. He like, nigga,
I got a I got a young nigga too, You
want me to put you against him? But I'm still
not saying that. He like old enough for free.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I know in his mind he like, I know all
these nigga.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
He like, you don't even look old enough for free nigga.
And I don't even want to bring her beans. He
like nigga. He talking crazy to me. But I'm still
not saying nothing. Right but this the icing on the kick.
I told you, sit there like he the nigga. Now
he overhead, he comes sit next to me on the couch,
sit right next to me, put his leg up like that,

(12:45):
and he like, you really think you could fuck with
Beanie like that? Like like really fucking with me? You
really think you could fuck with me? So he just
started like I couldn't take it. I'm like, my nigga,
I'm like, yo, you could call like you know I
know them, right?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
You don't know That's why. That's why I knew. I'm
like in your mind. He like he don't know who
these niggas.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
He don't know those. I'm like, Yo, my nigga, you
can call whoever. Bro like he don't understand who I
am though he never met me though, he don't know
that how I get busy though, So I'm like, nigga,
you can call who the fuckever nigga? Like you know
what I'm saying. Now, I'm on something like I'm like
he like, he like, all right, nigga, take his phone

(13:31):
like this, He looking at me like this, He's like
the phone. He's like, yo, I guess right. Beings like Yo,
where y'all at? Like we at the studio? We got
some nigga over here? Yeah all right, yeah, all right, holler.

(13:53):
And then he looked at me like this like I'm
supposed to be scared. But if I was the average nigga,
I would have been scared, like niggas is about to
you know, it's about to be dangerous, but he don't
know that. I'm super prepared for that. Like that's all
I do is prepare for that moment. So I'm like,
he's really just so you know, other people start making

(14:17):
phone calls now, rough riders down the street. They start
showing up now in the studio, start feeling out.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
I'm pissed I didn't go.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know, we was in baseline when Beans got that call,
and they like, yo, were going to Swisch Studio, baddu Cassidy,
and I'm like, y'all going to bad lu Cassidy. I
think I was working on mine right at the time,
and I'm like, now, I'm gonna finish this record. I
got Rude coming through and they went down there for
the battle and I stayed in the studio waiting on
Joe that night word and I didn't go that night.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's crazy X thing Do Bulldog the X recipes X
like boone Dough got a moon dough And when he
say that bone Do is actually there? He no Ho.
So they busted it up. They talk about bet and
this and that and boom though like, yo, you don't
know this, this Nigga is a fishhoot bro and like

(15:07):
what Nigga, They don't he oh, don't know how. I
give it up though. Next thing, you know, a few
seconds later, boom studio door like that and just kick open.
He like it's ma bitch looking around like that and
Nigga's like, oh shit, man like this, but I told

(15:29):
you I'm on the couch like him. The last time
I seen Beans because I used to win this battle
competition in Philly on the radio like every day. I
was winning for years. That's how I got popular, but
this was for social media, so niggas didn't know how
I look. So the first time Beans met me, we
in the studio. I'm rapping. He like, what's your name?
I'm like beat. He like bet from the Cipher.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm like yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
He's like, oh shit, yo. So he was about to
put me on that record he there with Cosmic Kav
I pissed on you to grieve. I shop on your
tomb be sitting the doom my platoon cool rooms in
the middle of June. I'm doping than that ship in
the middle of spoon. Yeah, was about to put me
on that Southern Man, but I had to leave that night.

(16:13):
So when he was about to put me on that record,
that was the last time we seen each other. So
he kicking the door, Matt bitch, and he looking around
and then he see me and he like, oh shit,
be from the cipher. And he shaked my hand. But
he knowed like, oh they calling us the battle be
from the cipher, like this be from it. He really

(16:35):
do this battleship like this really, so he like, oh
ship be from the cipher old scheme O behind him,
Oh shit, be from the cipher. Your name be right?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
All right?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Oh you know me because like I've been in the
house when oh we had vinching in the same house,
are you and you just heard being saying so you know.
So I stand up in hol like, now, who you
say you wanted to battle? I said, yo, I ain't
saying in the battle any of these niggas. I told
you pick it don't matter like any of these niggas
bro like that. And when I said that, that's when

(17:07):
they start saying free, free, go ahead, free.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Oh they threw free up.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Free, go ahead, free And I'm like free outa out
of all of the people that you know, I ain't,
I ain't. I just ain't think they was gonna pick free,
you know what I'm saying, because he got that, you know,
he got the to the beat style, the in and
out around pattern. But to battle, I ain't think they
was gonna pick free, but that's what they start saying.

(17:33):
Free Christmas there, young Christmas.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
There, oh, being all of them, the whole state probe.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Like free, free, go ahead, free, free, go ahead, and
free like stepped up like I even was with it.
So I'm like, and I just start rapping, you know
what I mean. But the actual battle, like nowadays, the
battles start off like in the middle of us already
rapping like you know what I mean, to start off
a little late, but it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's what's up man, now Free. I remember them niggas
coming back to the stool. Niggas was pissed. Niggas was
mad at you. I ain't even know you, and I'm
like this nigga cast, we got beef for the nigga
I don't even know now, like we thought it was up.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
But nah, I.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Remember that I met him. It's how I first met you.
We had a show. I believe it was in Saint Louis.
It's when I heard the song you had with Caws
the hotel joint and song was out there with his
shirt off, perform and killing murderous shit. And then he
come back. He like, oh, what's up boy, Yo? This
bleak yo.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Like Yo, man, this cast. I'm like, oh, this is
the nigga battle Free. He like, yeah, man, that shape
we feel that's my dog. Man ain't about nothing, and
we chill. We went to an after party and all
that together, and I just met this nigga And from
that day me and Casts always been called Free always
talked hightly about you. He never took it personal. He
just felt like, damn. I felt like I could have

(18:51):
you know what I mean, bought my a game a
little bit more. But he never took it personal.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
From that, I love Free, I fucking free man. You
just something my studio not too long ago, and every
time I see Free Man, they be like Yo till
this day, they still bring up that Yeah man, away
from that shit.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
To this day, I still hear about that shit, man, Yo.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
That shit never gonna die. My next question to you
is at what age or what point did you know
your pen game was different from the rest.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
When you felt like nigga. I'm that nigga.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Nobody every rapper, it's like every fighter. You feel like
in your hood, nobody can fuck me. I fucked everybody
up well, so I know it had to be a
point when you felt that way.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'm gonna tell you, like from when I first started rapping,
bro like, I was in school, like in the fourth
grade and third or fourth grade. It's the fourth grade,
but I was in the after school program, a fire
prevention program. So they going around the room asking people
what you want to do when you grow up, what

(19:59):
you want to do.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I want to be a doctor.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
What you want to do. I want to be a lawyer,
I want to be a firefighter. I want to be
an actor. Like people just doing that so when they
get to me. I was always smart in school, like
like in city wide test scores and stuff like that,
Like I would come in in the highest in the
city like, so academically, I never had a problem. So

(20:21):
that's why I used to be like a class clown.
I used to play a lot because I knew all
of the work and it was moving too slow for me.
But I realized that it's a bunch of other people
in the class and we all got learned. So just
because I know everybody else though, so that's why I
would just have fun all the time. So when they
asked me what you want to be when you grow
I'm like, man, I'm gonna be a rapper, right and

(20:42):
everybody start laughing ah da, But the teacher knew that
I was joking. So they're like, all right, you want
to be a rapper, then write a rap about fire
prevention this program that we're in, and come rap it
to us tomorrow and we'll let you know if you're
going to be able to be a rapper or not.
So they like, oh, I'm like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
right there, and they start hyping it up. So they

(21:04):
put me under pressure. So I'm like all right, so
I'm acting like I got it, but I don't got it.
I don't even rap yet, Like I don't I don't wrap. Yeah,
I just said I was going. So she put me
under pressure. So I go home. I'm like, damn, I
got right. My first rap I'm talking to like my

(21:25):
god mother and like my god mother, my god brother,
and my god sister. My gods sister had a baby
father and he rapped too. His name was Reese. He
older than me though, he was like an og so
he started giving me little tips about you, I mean,
how to write, what to do, I mean, how I

(21:45):
should go about it. So that's when I put my
first rap together. I'm super young, so I put it
together that day, just kept going over and remembered it,
and when we got to the after school program the
next day, I spit it to the class and they
went crazy. They like going crazy and acting like I

(22:05):
just did the best shit ever, and I just like, yo,
my nigga, it ain't matter what I had on, it
ain't matter. Like all I had to do was think
of something, write it down and say it, and you
could have everybody doing this. I'm like, yo, I'm going
rap forever. I'm going to be the best. And that
at that feeling of spitting that rap and feeling that feeling.

(22:29):
Ever since then, I always wanted to rap and be
the best. So I was studying from that point on,
like to be better and better and better and better
and better. I mean, so I always felt my pen
was like, you know what I mean. But I guess
when I really really knew was when I entered that
competition that I told you about on the radio was

(22:49):
one O three point nine, the radio one station in Philly,
So it was Zulu Zulu and the Family. That was
the name of the show, Zulu and the Family League.
Keep your Ready, use locked Baby Baby.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
For real.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Ass son called the Cipher. So when you called up,
you win the Sipher. Yo, you win the site for
the night. You gotta be a dope m seed to
rock the mic. So what's your name? And you'll be like,
I'm bleak, and they'll be like in what you do
and you'd be like all round and they'd be like, well,
put lips on your brain and then speak your mind
and then you just go in your bag and you
start going crazy. So five six, like it'd be different numbers.

(23:31):
But you know, when you the champion, you the champion.
So everybody else called up to the spher the bat
you out there. Yeah, So I became the champion after
the first night. But the reason how I found out
about it because my manager at the time was Rest
in Peace William Hart, the lead singer of the Delphonics
legendary groups and Philadelphia. Yeah, Bro William Heart wrote.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Trust me a lot of people watching this ship was
born on some delphonic shit exactly pops let it ripla
la la la la la la so fast.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I mean, so he put me on how he liked
gave us publishing away. Earlier he even was writing for
like Mike and the Jackson five and other big groups,
and you know, I mean, he got ribbed for his publishing.
But as he got older, you know, after twenty five
the thirty years, you know what I'm saying, it'll go

(24:26):
back to the original person that wrote it, even if
you did give your publishing away. So he sold like
all his publishing away. But after that twenty five years
or whatever, he got it back. Yeah, he got it back.
And that's when other artists started to use his music,
like big artists like new Kids on the Block. The
Fuji's there ready or not here I come, you can't hide,

(24:48):
And I bet you a lot of people think that's
just a Fuji's original song, but that's the words everything. Yeah,
that's his song. So that's how he was able to
make money later on in his life. I mean, but
he always was telling me about how you could be
creative and be the writer and responsible for the talent,
but get taken advantage of so before I signed any dials.

(25:10):
I was always skeptical and all of that stuff. But
he had a son named DJ Romance. He worked at
that same radio station, but he did like slow jams.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Aren't like at that night, DJ Romance, he better be
playing them slow jams. It's fucked up. He can't even
DJ today. It's no more slow jabs.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, So he was telling me about that show. He like, Yo,
you know I do the slow jams, but it's another
nigga on the show Zulu. He got decipher shit. You
know you need to enter that. So that's what he
told me to do with from then, from me winning
just I won so much that they retired me theyself
and made me a radio personality to analyze other people bad.

(25:50):
So that's how I got so little. That's why man
met me. He liked the ball be from the Ciphers,
Like the whole city was shut down when that was
on Dope.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
How did that into you linking up with Swiss?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Because before I used to link up with other people,
like I used to get backstage passes and VIP passes
to all the concerts and they would throw big concerts.
So they used to compare me to Cannabis when I
was on that because I was battling and he was
the only one, like really in baddle mode like that
at that time. I'm like, yo, when I see Cannabis,

(26:24):
I'm a battle Cannabis that like, because they compare me
to him. I want to battle Cannabis when I see him,
or at least spit from the smoke with everybody, or
at least spit for him and let him hear me.
So they saying Cannabis outside. So I'm in the back
back stage, I'm knocking on tour bus windows looking for him, like, Yo,
where Cannabis at? And I'm by myself.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Ringing the smoke. Fucked hustler.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, so Cannabis stepped off the bus and he was
used to being the smallest, youngest nigga talking crazy like that,
and he see me and I'm way younger than him.
I'm a small little nigga and I'm by myself talking
crazy like wait, yeah, want the bad le Niggas ain't
never seen nothing like that. But it's bust rhymes there,
why cleft there. It's like a lot of big celebrities

(27:08):
I was able to meet from getting them backstage passes.
Actually Why Cleff was there when I was rhyming for
Cannabis eight off the Assassin. I don't know if you
know what. He came out, We start rhyming, two, we
going back and forth. It was a dope moment. Cannabis
still remember it too to this day, Like me and
Cannabis cool. We'll be talking about it still to this day. Well,

(27:29):
why Cleff seen me and he was like, Yo, You're
going to be a star. He like what's your name?
Like that shit was crazy. You're going to be a star, bro,
I'm telling you just in the first big celebrity when
I got signed that called me to the studio to
do a feature was why Cleft. He put me on
a song called Celebrate Ruck to look it up, meet
him and Patty LeBell, one of the legends from Philly

(27:51):
my sibings do me on sign with Patty LeBell. So
it's like wow. So while we in the studio and
I'm working on that song and were working together, he
didn't realize that I was that same kid from backstage
that he told me I was going to be a star.
He just liked me from after I got signed with
Swiss again. So he he brought me to the studio
for that reason. But I told him, like, Yo, you

(28:12):
don't remember when you see me backstage, I was rhyming
with cannabis and Buster was there and this and that.
You told me he was going to be a star,
and he like, like I do remember, I don't. I
don't like. But see I ain't live.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
With Ain't that nigga look like he knew some ship
he can fort you teller? Now, why man, why cleft
for fucking genius in this business? Man?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
He'll get enough credit for his production.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Like as an artist,
I feel like a lot of people respect his artistry
as his craft.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
But why Cleft produced ship man? Like why.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Sing do all the rope for people?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Do all type of ship man? He's super talented. Like
my next thing like punchline rap? Right, it was always
like a big, a big thing, but not everybody mastered
the art of punchline.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's supposed to be like this because I don't see
this should keep dropping down?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah that sh that might drink it, Douce that might
or do say like fucking the punchline rap wave. You
know what I'm saying. I feel like a lot of
artists back in the day used to do it like
I feel like Grand Pooba to me was one of
the first artists I heard using like the punchlines him and.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Big Daddy came.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
But Grandpa grand Pooba is the one who like made
it like really really different. And then here comes you
your era of rap where punchlines like, yeah, it became.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Like where it became the whole first Grand Poop, And
I think who really took it to the next level
was Lord Fess though.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Lord Foress and Grand Pooper. Like to me, them niggas
is the same thing, No disrespect them niggas is the
same man. Them niggas was killing shit together back of
the day. It's so ill that you didn't even know
who was who until you bought the CD or the
record and rad who was spitting like with them Lord
for Neess, Yes, you gotta give him his props him
and Grandpool to me, yes, my bad for leaving you out.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Lord for this you see me kime on O give
me the O g talk.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
My bad.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
But yes, but then like I said, your ever came
and it became like the illest shit and like to
this day, Cass like your punchlines deadly.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I told you, I was in the fourth grade, and
I wanted to be the best. So I started studying
all of them niggas, even from grand Master Cash, like
the first writer, Like, I started studying all of them
niggas man, and just like analyzing, what make me think
this rock Kiem song.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Is so dope?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Like what is he doing in this pocket that sounds
so much better right here than when another nigga rapped,
Like they gotta be a reason. It can't just be
just wow when he jump in this pocket right here,
it sounds so much better than anybody else rapping, Like
I gotta understand why, Like, and I started really breaking

(31:10):
down the science and trying to understand, like the actual
reason why I like hip hop, And wow, it was
so dope when I started studying from the beginning everybody
that was doing stuff, and I realized, like one of
the best pockets that I love is when the nigga
did punch. But people used to punch sporadically, like every

(31:30):
once in a while. Even if they did it, it
might be once in a verse or something. It wouldn't
be like that was what they was really trying to do.
But when they did do it, it was it was
so much to me. It's like I'd be like, damn
killed that, Like I just would love when niggas punch,
and I'm like yo, and then you when we get

(31:51):
to the time when like cannabis, he like punching consistently,
but he doing it in a way where you gotta
be like you had to go to school, you have
to be really smart, like a little education.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, hell and fucking not for nothing. My man named
down with ep of D and m keif Mari Chief
Mari too.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
The most beautiful capitalist punching phoney mcs.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
He came with the vocabulary. He made niggas definitely be like, oh,
I gotta pay attention to school.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Listen to this nigga.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
But this this is how I developed this style. Like
they came out with this tape back in the day,
and one side of this one he actually had tapes,
and one side was all d MX, all d MX
free styles and new Ship and all that. Then the
other side was all cannabis, like cannabis and d MX

(32:43):
t Most of the niggas in the hood was listening
to the X side and everybody was fucking with the
X shit and it was like, but I'm like, Yo,
this nigga Cannabis is going crazy on the other side
of the team, and y'all don't hear what this nigga doing.
I got more lines than a million pair of Adidas,

(33:05):
got more lines than the African Hurt his zebras, got
more lines than the Bible coded from Jesus, got more
like he just back the back, just talking crazy the niggas.
Man that niggas said, Yo.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
You got to I think what hurt Cannabis l man?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, So I'm but I'm listening to both sides. So
I'm like, why would the street niggas like X side?
Because most street niggas ain't smart, like they're not. They
don't want to hear that complicated vocabulary ship. They just
want to have some street shit they can relate to.
Why they was liking the X side.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
You hear it in the music today.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
But why do I like the.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Cannabisides so much? Because he punching and he like he
backed the back saying creative shit. So I'm like, yo,
what if you mixed that together with the street ship?
Like you say, the craziest street shit that I love?
Like from Ron Scarfy's I started small time, don't game
cocaine pushing rocks on the block. I'm never broke. Man.

(34:03):
When I hear that, I'm like, yo, what the fuck?
And I'm like, Yo, you could mix that streak crazy
talk with what like cannabis or like one of them
like and then mix it with also with what the
backpackers is doing, like because cannabis wasn't all the way backpackering, no,

(34:24):
but it's like mix all that shit together in one
and you and the best part of what I like
is the punch. So instead of doing it once a
versa every once in a while, imagine if you just
did it back the back, like why they catching one
of them you already doing another one And that's like
so difficult to accomplish at that time. But if you

(34:45):
could do that, imagine what it it it do to
a hip hop nigga air Like that's what. So that's
how I developed that style.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's how we got Cassidy man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And that's why I don't think you get enough credit
or do you think you get enough credit for the
punchline status in the game, because bro, I feel like
between you and Fred to God's Son, Rest in peace,
Fred Degard's Son. I feel like when I first heard
you spit, I was like, damn this nigga on some shit.

(35:19):
I felt the same way when I first heard Fred
the God's Son Smith, you know what I'm saying. Like
the punchlines was just next fucking level, was like, how
is this nigga even thinking of putting yes like that?
Like you know, one verse, you'd be like a nigga,
did they killed that verse? Then you hit twelve more
versus the same way. It's like, wait a minute, these

(35:39):
niggas on some different shit. So I feel like, do
you think y'all in your generation you got the credit
enough for even because I believe you influenced the Fred
the God Son.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
If there's no Castiley, there's no Fred to God's Son
for sure. You know what I'm saying, Rest in peace,
Fred Degard.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
We did work go on music.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
We heard out Frad was the homie man. That was
my dog man. God bless him and his family, God
bless his kids, his wife like all that.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Man.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Like when it come to that punchline, ship, like I said,
they don't mention your name enough to me. In my opinion,
when it comes down to this hip hop ship you.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Got is a mixture just so much. Man, I'm listening
to you. Man. You see when I came in.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Here, you was on that headed down joint.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
You always lit before I was on. You know what
I'm saying. So y'all was already doing. Y'all already had
the odd on smash. So this is what I'm listening.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I listen to you like you.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Already a fan a whole. Sorry to cut you off,
but I'm already a fan of the nigga. And he
got a young nigga, a little nigga that's like his
young boy that's now talking crazy niggas, and that's like
inspiring for niggas like me.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Bro, I appreciate that nigga. But they hear you say
like yo, I want wanted to be the best. I
look back and I think about me starting. I never
wanted to be the best. My nigga, Like for me rapping.
I remember me starting to rap. Was when I heard
ABC Aisha. Do you know what I'm saying? It was

(37:16):
like the girl had like, wait a minute, that ain't
the Aisha. I know. I know a different version of
this girl, so I gotta write my version. But it
was a girl in my hood who was the nicest.
Her name was Kia, So I'm like, if I want
to be nice, i gotta go fuck with her. So
my first rhyme was assisted by a girl taught me

(37:37):
how to rhymes, a girl named Kia from She's Still
in My Best Kid Word Up. And she the one
taught me. Now, this is how you do it. It's
how you put a bar together. Do this. I So,
I'm like, all right, cool, you know I was good.
I thought I was nice until I went to school
Junior High. I is forty nine and Williamsburg and this
nigga from my projects always been my man. Oh but

(38:00):
I ain't know he rapped. Go to the lunch room
and he rhyming, nigga named Jude Duke. It's my dog,
shout out ju Duke. And he was getting busy all
the girls at the table. He beating on the table rhyming.
I'm like, that's what I want. So all I rapped
for was to have the girls in school. I didn't

(38:20):
think we would take this shit world while get money,
do anything. So I never cared about being the best.
I just wanted to impress the chicks to school, you
know what I mean, get the little joints in the
hood or whatever. And then when I sing Jay and
Clark kn't rest in peace and I told him, Yo,
I do my thing, and he like, YO, do this

(38:41):
verse right here, and I put you on. I'm like,
a right, I do this shit in my sleep, Nigga,
this is nothing. Let's go. And then it went from
there to that and then like the here you come
in and singing the verse handed down. That's why I
told you. I'm like, yo, that verse was real, like
copping to George too two weeks before they came out

(39:02):
shout out tone from Tom D's that's my bro to
this day, and it's like, bro, that ship was all real.
And I remember, I believe that rhyme came about because
just being with Primo, knowing who Primo is from Gangstar,
know me, all the mop Ship, all the legendary artists

(39:25):
that came through them them halls in D and D Studio.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
We recorded that in d NBC.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
You with that that the me though, that was like
you was like the the special ad of the new generation,
special ad talking that I got it me young nigga.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
He means that should change life. I wanted a solid
gold door. I wanted a dog with a solid gold
bo but.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
You flashy fly little niggas bitch from it.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Like why little nigga, bitch please twist the trees.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
She from the third like why look bitch please.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Like all that is like lady used to call the
cops on us, my nigga being in the whole way
my age, no going in the building.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Life's like cancer and I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
And that verse. My nigga felt like that was the
first time because you know, like I tell niggas coming
to age. Yeah, Jay ripped out a piece of paper
out the book and told me as fast as you
remember this versus fast as you get on living how
I was living. It didn't matter who wrote the rhyme
to me back then. Handed Down was the first time
I was able to walk in the studio.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Nigg Let me tell you a real story that nobody knows.
Everybody already know these like stories about rough riders in
Swiss and the freeway battle. But this is a story
niggas don't know. Before all that I was like lit
in the city and I seen shahin the rugged tang.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Shout out Shahin. That's my dog projects man stat nalen.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, he just we were just on Instagram talking man
for a shout out to Shahin. But it's crazy though
he stopped the Philly I think we're in the sneaker
store grabbing some sneakers or something. I see Shaheen, but
he already lit, like I already I was movies and
all that back. I wasn't I wasn't signed, I wasn't

(41:14):
nobody yet, like I ain't I ain't. I wasn't nothing yet.
He was already lit. So but I'm so active at
the time. When I see shahem I'm like, we're about
to get it popping. So I go outside and I
just start to cipher you around. Look, nigga, you bitch
chess and I smacked this. I just go crazy out there.

(41:35):
So sha Hein come out and he listening and he
see a nigga he used to like, just like cannabis.
He used to be in the youngest kid, smallest nigga.
But he see a nigga younger than him carrying it
talking crazy. I'm going like, what the fuck? He like, yo,
who the fuck is I'm like I broke it. I mean,

(41:56):
he like, nah, you gotta meet the Woot, come out
to New York. So I've never been in New York
in my life, bro, and you went to Staten Allen
with Sha Listen though, Yo, he showed me listen though.
This is the crazy story.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Though.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He tells me to like, Yo, you gotta meet everybody
from the Woo. They gonna love you.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You gotta come out here and fuck with me. I'm like, Yo,
I've never been to New York, but this is an opportunity. Shah,
I'm the Woo. I want to meet these niggas. Bro.
So he's like, nah, we out.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Here, come out here.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I'm in Da da. He like, Yo, I know you
ain't not been in the city. All you gotta do
is by Da Dah. Catch the bus here.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
You're gonna get off right here.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
You're gonna get off at forty seconde, they started telling me.
So I'm like, all right, cool, I catch the bus
out there. I get off at the bus station right.
But this is back in the day before cell phones,
before days.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I know what you mean, yes exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
So when I get out there, the number that he
gave me to call him that I was supposed to
call him at forty second Street. I'm calling him on constantly,
me not even picking up. I'm like, what the fuck.
So I'm like, what the fuck I'm gonna do. I'm
out here in New York. I'm supposed to be getting
with this nigga. This nigga not picking up. So then
I'm constantly Then it's told you it's payphones, yea. So

(43:17):
I'm calling. I'm calling the nigga. Finally pick up. He's like, yo, nah,
nah my bad bro. I was I was called up.
I had to do this, but damn I couldn't even
get down there. But I'm in. I'm in stat Noland.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Look all you gotta do is just do this and
take the ferry over.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Listen. I know now because I've been out in New
York for so long, but I told you, this is
my first time even in New York. Like niggas got boats,
this is my first time in New York here. So
now you're about to send me somewhere else to catch
your fucking boat to go some do some shit. I'm like,

(43:56):
I'm like all right. So he's like, you know, you
gotta go here and through this and do that and
catch this. So I follow the directions. Bro, I go there.
I get on this ferry. I see who's going across
this order. And when I get across the water, now
they take you in this other little like little building
type of shit, and you.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Come out and it's the buses and the dollar cabs
where I see.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I see the payphone. So I go calling him. I'm
calling him. I'm like, yo, my nigga, we in stat Island.
I'm all the way over here. I'm calling him, and
the nigga not picking up again. He not picking up again.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Probably was a house phone he gave you.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
A nigga calling the number constantly. I'm just over there.
I don't know where the fuck to go. I'm now
I'm over the ferry and statn Island. I don't know
what the fuck. I'm like, my nigga, I'm constantly calling
the nigga, calling the nigga. He not picking up. So
finally I call a number back and the nigga pick up.

(44:55):
I'm just happy somebody picked up. I'm like, yo, what's up?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Like nah, this this nah, this ain't shy, ain't this
such or such? He just left with meth.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yo, shit, yo, the nigga dad.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
He told me that, but he just left with meth.
He said, damn with you. I don't know I'm gonna
get in contact with him because he left with meth.
He don't got no phone. But if he if he
spent back here, I tell him and yo, how you
gonna contact me if he do spin back? He's like,
I don't know what. I don't know where he is.
He left with meth and yo, and I just stayed

(45:34):
for a while, like longer, and it's like I don't
even know how to get back. So by time we
figure out how to get back from Staton Island back
to the bus station where on the forty second Street.
I finally figure out how to get back there. I
go to the forty second Street bus station and now
there's no more buses back to Philly until like eight
in the morning. And it's like three in the morning

(45:57):
or two in the morning or simon, it's like one
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I don't know what time it was, but it wasn't
nowhere there the next stop at like two forty five.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
So now we're on.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Around trying in the city, trying to look for a
hotel or motel. We can't really find it. It's like, Wow,
shit going on. Niggas is like, so we go back
to the bus station. Now we're just laying on the
floor waiting for the busy. Yeah. And I never seen Shahim,
never seen the Wu, never seen none of them.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Nah, you never you've seen him again after this though.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yo, my nigga, Like this ship was crazy, Yo, there'd
be an opportunity for me to meet the fucking Woo.
I go all the way, yo. He the bid of this,
I'm putting it out there. Niggas never there the story
you could bid off this whatever. I don't know what
tight time you was on, but he definitely did it
to me. Man, I understand shit be happening, but I

(46:52):
was a young nigga. He ain't know I was cash yet.
But still though he didn't me. That's crazy, crazy crazy
Part one. Not too long after that, like I got signed,
I got lit. The Rizon knew that I was late.
He called me to the studio. You know what I'm saying.
So now I'm fucking with the Woo requiring on my project.
I'm really fucking with the Wu and I'm really lit.

(47:15):
I got like a big as I'm like at this
big ass event and the security come backstage and they like, yo,
your cousin here. I'm like, my cousin now, my cousin
ain't here, nah, Mia, ain't my fucking cousin. Nah. He like, oh,
all right, So he go back out there, and then
he come back a few minutes later. Nah. He keeps

(47:35):
saying your cousin, shahen, your cousin. I'm like, man, I
don't got no fucking cousin shahm. So he go back
out there. He's like yeah. Then he come back a
few minutes later. Nah. He said that from the Wu
Tang Shahim. I'm like, oh, Shahin from the Wou Tang
clan like Shahin like yeah, I'm like, oh, tell him
come back here. And then Shahin come back there. He like, yo, Cash,

(47:57):
you got it, lit bro, what's up? And there was
a different type of time because I'm lit now and
you like whatever you was dealing with. But it's just
like crazy how that went though. But I mean, even
the fact that he just i mean respecting my music
and was even able to call me out there probably
gave me some type of motivation. To be more active

(48:17):
and get on my ship. So I still fucking shy.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, Na shot a fair man, Sha had. He was
one of the first littish young niggas out of the city.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But everybody thinks shit goes smooth. I tell niggas I
start rapping in the fourth grade. I got on the
site where I was winning, and they think everything is
just smooth and shit like that be happening, man.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Nah and Sha got caught up with the streets, you
know what I mean? Like Sha got caught up with
the streets. I feel like you know what I mean.
At that time, Rat wasn't paying like in pay now.
So you know a lot of people look back and
be like, whow you be in the streets and you're rappers?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Like it's like like the rough Riders or what if
you was with Like what if I was with the Woo?
What if I would have met him and I was
with the Woo instead of the rough Riders?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Would difference, but that would have been like yo, shit shit,
crazy shit would have been crazy man cash with the
Wool Yo. So out of everything you've done, battles song,
what would you say? You asked me you got a
favorite song?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Hold on before we go to the next topic. I
just thought about something, you know, shah, he ain't probably
hear this and be like, damn, man, I was on
some ship, my bad. I really was with you. You
know what I'm saying. And it's the same thing I
want to say to the RIZM. I told you the
Rizzard called me to the studio. They called me to
the Wu Tang studio, and I fuck with the rism man.

(49:38):
I love the RIZK, I love the Wo Tang, but
I'm on the road. I think I just did some
shows are running around. I'm super high, right.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
You ain't dubbed the RIZZM.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I ain't double them. I'm just high, right. So the
RIZM like, yo, he is, write me in the studio
like y'all gonna play some beats casts. We're gonna work. Man,
I got some ship for you. So I'm like, yo,
that's what's up man with the rizord Swiss there, but
I don't know what like you know, I mean, I'm
about to work with the Rizard though, So I'm like, yo,
that's what's up. But I'm super high. I'm smoking. I'm

(50:13):
like this, like I'm waiting for him to load up
the ship. It's taking time for him to figure out
like how to load the ship up. So by the
time he loaded the ship up and start playing, I'm
listening and I'm like, oh, that's I mean. But it
was like one of his like not like oh take
clan ain't nothing. It wasn't one of them Jones. It
was like a more you know, like a smooth type

(50:34):
of like you know what I mean. Beat. It was
like some smooth ship. And I'm high and I'm listening
to the jon and I'm like this and he's playing
and I'm looking at him at the board and next
thing you know, I must have just fell out. Bro.
You with the sleep sleep bro yo, yo, my head job.

(50:55):
You know, the nigga like what the fuck? I know
you mad as ship? Like Yo, this nigga went the
fucking he like funk out here. I know he probably mad. Yeah.
By the time I wake up, I look up Rizad,
not there nobody, there, no beats playing. I'm like, what
the fuck?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, they let yo chill.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I just leap. I just want to say, like the
same way I said, Shah, he ain't Probably the me
therty is the reason exactly. And that's the reason like
I love the rizerd Bro. I wish I could get
back in that work. I probably rung my opportunity. But
I don't want him to think like I don't fuck
with him, like I was just high and tired, and man.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
It be like that bro down Shah. He probably was
super lit. Like I said, Man, Shaw was the littest
nigga in the city back then, and like you said,
was no cell phones, man, and then Sha was in
the streets. Man, you had to make ends me, you
know what I mean. So he caught a lot of
bad breaks with going to jail, which you know, I
feel like him his movie career because fuck, I was

(51:53):
in movies doing everything, kidding me. He was doing his thing.
And you know how it is, my nigga, when you lit,
you set a hundred different plays up and hey, yeah,
holler at me, howland me. I mean, niggas you told
how at you you knew you was alary back.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, But I ain't telling him to come out in
New York and then catch the ferry. Yeah, A lot
that was different.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I ain't gonna front.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I used to play a hook sneaker.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Store and been like, yo, I'm gonna fuck with you.
I'm gonna call you out there. They'll never get with me.
I wouldn't have been mad.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I used to play hooky on the Staten Alla Ferry,
so I know that shit was free to go to
Stanaten Allen fifty cent to come back. I played hooky
everywhere in the city. I knew my moms ain't have
money to go and she wasn't going to State Allen,
so I was.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Liting New York though. Yeah, difference.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, I ain't never go to Philly and get little.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, like it's the magic going to Philly and you
going to Philly, Charlie back in the day. You don't
know what?

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, nah man, that's that's why. Yo, that was different.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
So yo bringing up the rough Ride of days? Man,
how was that for you? Like y I Thiggas had
the lots Eve Man, Eve is my sister. Man love
Eve Man. Like out of all the female rappers in
the game, like I know Kill, I know Fox, they
the people's that's family all day. But me and Eve
was like she she hung with me, she fucked with me,

(53:13):
you know what I mean. So I got a different
type of love and it's like the rough Rider camp
from X God bless x you know what I mean
from d all of y'all Swiss, Like, how was that?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
And that's crazy, like coywem reverse Like I'm a Philly nigga,
but it's like Brooklyn is like they embraced me, like
it's like my second home. They love me out there, And.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's how Philly is for me exactly. They just think
I'm from Philly certain places exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
No, No, from New York.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It's the same.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Wild niggas that think I'm from New York. You know
what I'm saying. But I carry who I be around
with me heavy.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Just added like a little concert out there. I mean
little little ship that I had in Brooklyn the other day.
She was packed the capacity. They showed me super love.
I fuck with Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Brooklyn and Brooklyn is always going to be the vibe
by nigga. That's home base. Man.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
It was like some oflar Man you get. I mean
you connect with Eve. I mean your wife from Philly. Yeah, yeah,
your wife West Philly RAI.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, now Philly, Philly my second home. Man. I love Philly.
They embrace me. I go down there they treat me
like I'm their long lost cousin my wife.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
From New York.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Oh shit, we don't traded. We don't trade it, man,
that's what's up. And Yo, you told me you've been
twenty plus years.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
God bless man. I pray I make it the twenty.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I'm on year twelve, this year, married fifteen together, so
I feel like we were on our way to twenty
twenty plus.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
You on my he you're right there?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
How is that?

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Man?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
What type of advice would you give any of these
young guys out here? Man that you know turbulentce because
it ain't easy. You know, people think marriage and relationships
is easy. What we post on the gram is life
every day and it's really not like it's ups and
downs in every relationship.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
That's a fact. And every relationship, man, that's a fat.
Relationships ain't for everybody, man, No, everybody can't play the
part and be saying they fifteen years, twenty years and
all that is like, it ain't for everybody, man. It's
just like it just depends on what type of person
you want to be. You got to make the decision
if you read to to do what is what's required

(55:34):
to make it work because it's not going to be
all peaches and cream regardless of fact. I mean, there's
going to be a fight, and you got to have
something to make you want to fight.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Fight for that's right, that's what's uthing, man. Like, My
advice to these young niggas out here bad is make
sure you know what you want to do before you
just dive into it. Because I feel like, when looking
back my nigga, I played in a lot of these lays,
these faces, I was on some bullshit, you know what
I'm saying, playing like that's what you want to know

(56:06):
and you didn't want it. It's like now being married
and being with a woman and having a daughter and
knowing the feelings that a woman really deal with is like,
I feel like, be more straightforward. They appreciate that. Yeah,
for sure, you know what I'm saying, Be more straightforward.
Tell them exactly what you want, who you are, and
what you're about. If you ain't about the low term jevity,
let them know, ag dog. But sometimes you just to

(56:28):
have fun party all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yo. Sometimes that could be good advice, but sometimes that
could be bad advice depending on what level you ad
in life. Yeah, like if you at the introduction level,
like when I first start dealing with females, it wouldn't
have been best for me to be in that bad
because I was still young, name deserved. I wasn't even
on that type of time. So I was wowy, y'all
honest with these girls that don't even deserve it.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
No, No, I'm not talking about being honest like telling
them your deep dogs. I'm just saying letting them know,
egg girl, we not. I don't want no relationship. I'm
just here to have fun. I'm here for a good time,
not a long time. That type of honesty, like I feel.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Like back in the day, I might not even know.
You might not even know though.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
That's the thing I knew. I knew, I knew, I
knew I didn't want a long term thing I used
to do.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
But you know, because you were in the long term
thing now now, so you was thinking that you didn't,
but you subconsciously did.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Going on.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's the influence of the world, Like, fuck these bitches,
I'm bleak, I'm lit. Yeah, I gotta do this, and
that's what's making you like man, but subconsciously to feel
and like you really want it, that's why you got
it now and you're telling other people to fight for it,
to get it because you know the feeling of it. No,
he did want it from the beginning. It's just like

(57:46):
you was young.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I was too. Wasn't in the place to just yo, bro,
I was seventeen with a Tahoe and the Terrors seven
TVs in there playing Jerry Spring.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
And we're saying the same shit, like sometimes it's doing
that's on your same time right now.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
He ain't thinking about settling down.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
He thinking about it a young nigga. That's like you
when you were young, and he like, man, I'm not
trying to that ship talking about.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Make sure that's what I'm saying.
Don't play in these women face, man, because I did.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
I was found.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I let a lot of women to the middle of
nowhere left for I was on some bullshit and I
apologize for it. That's what I'm saying. Cast I was foul.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I was on the Roman was fouled too, though, but
not like me.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I was on some difference because a lot of girls
wanted to be there. And I know they look at
my wife now and be like, how the fuck she
did that, and it's like, I don't know. She just life.
Like he's said, climate change.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You feel like you need a penalty for being fouled.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
You think you got no no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
I don't need no penalty.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I just want to let these young niggas know, be honest,
be truthful, and let him know.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Keep doing your thing.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
But my g you've been through a lot in this game,
you know what I mean, from major label deals, going independent,
the battle round, just.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Saying like if you're a street nigga, right and you
fucked up and you meet a girl, she got a
little bag, she got cars, she got a little apartment,
she's taking care of you and all that. That was
just your wife, I know, but she just it's just
it is a good move for you right now. Yeah,
just gonna be honest and be like, yo, I ain't
ready for no commitment right now. I don't want to
do nothing with you. I'm just trying to do that.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Nigga right there, you cut your lot. That was me. Yes,
you be honest, Yes, go get your own ship, be
living off no chick dog, you feel me.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
A lot of niggas is that.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I know a lot of niggas don't even know they're
homeless till they break up.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I ain't talking about me and you. I'm talking about
the world like a lot of niggas.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, man, a lot of niggas don't know the break
up exactly when the relationship over and they got that go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
That's been my motivation because as a kid my mom.
You know, you see moms with her boyfriend or whatever,
and when they be like, get your shitty go and
niggas grab why, niggas always had that little black bag,
Like all your shit fit in a little black bag. Like,
so I always knew I'm never gonna carry that little

(01:00:21):
black bag.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So if you own the cred, if you own the
crib and you beef with the girl, you're gonna be like, yo,
get the fuck out to her.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
My wife.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah no exactly, So you're in the same but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
We're not talking about that, damn. I'm talking about the
fuck out. Oh I'm gonna get the fuck out is
your crib?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Right, But with your wife, if y'all go through something,
you still gotta take that little black bag like the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
No, no, no, I just take the black truck, all right,
That black bag niggas was getting on that train. Nigga,
they was on that iron horse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Shit was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I would just take the black truck hell him a go.
I'll be back tomorrow in the morning when everybody off
fail me. But like I said, my g you've been
through you know a lot of ups and downs, good moments,
bad moments, like I just want to know your motivation
that kept your head on straight. Pause if niggas pull,
I don't play paws. That kept your mentality, you know straight.

(01:01:21):
And any advice to the young niggas out there, because
like I said, you had major label deals, independent deals,
like I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Want to me tell I get in to this this
ship he so much when you talk, you said the pause. Shit,
I'm thinking when I did the General Remix way way
back in the day with Nives, I was so happy
to do a record Ives. It was the General Remix,
but I said that I like, if it's beef, I'm
on top of it, like he won sauce. Pause now

(01:01:50):
who the truth me? Now? It was like way back
in the day before pauses out. But people look it
up though, niggas know the General remix Me and Naves
and I said pause A long time ago, but you
just made me think of that saying the pause. But
I ain't even cut you off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Man, Nah nah you good, my begging you, my brother man.
But like I said, you've been incarcerated deals everything, what
keep you motivated to keep going and to bounce back
like I ain't gonna let nothing stop me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I'm super self confident, man. I believe that the universe
start inside of me, Like everything that I visualize and
see got to do with me. So I mean I
always been super confident and realize that that's important to succeed.
You got to be confident in yourself because it could

(01:02:43):
be a time when everybody seem like they believe in
you and they fuck with you and they love you.
But it could be other times when everybody seem like
they turn it back on you and nobody fuck with you.
But you still gotta make it make sense and make
it happen regardless, and you gotta make people understand everything,
like from the very beginning, everybody else is not gonna

(01:03:03):
understand your grind, your drive, your whole. You gotta make
them understand. So that takes self confidence and me knowing
that is what keep me motivated. Man. When the doctors
told me when I got in that nearly fatal accident
I came out the coma, they told me my brain
was so badly damaged I was never gonna be able
to rap again. And now I feel like I'm the

(01:03:25):
best right now. I feel like nobody could fuck with
me right now in the world with a perfect brain
that never had nothing happen to their brain. I feel
like they can't fuck with me. But the doctor was
telling me that I was never gonna be able to
rap again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
You know what I'm saying, I'm about to take that
battle free. I'm about to take that battle free. Don't worry.
I'm a venge just ny.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
So I'm just saying, like to be able to accomplish
something like that, like when Swiss came to see me, like, Yo,
you're gonna be able to rap again. The doctor like, like,
you know what I'm saying. But I'm talking to you.
I got my memory. I'm telling you about things that
happened before the accident. That's right, I'm telling you about
things that we're talking You asking me, yo, what happened
in And it's not like I'm like retarded right now,

(01:04:12):
You're still correct. You know what I'm saying. So it's like, Yo,
that's a blessing man, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
A fact bro to be here today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Man, it's a lot of people take life, a lot
of things in life for granted until they stripped away,
you know what I'm saying, to the little.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Things that you know, walking, touching, eating, even just breathing.
When you get sick and your nose stopped up and
you can't breathe, you're worse. Just when you get healthy,
just a normal, regular way, you just feel so like damn,
I can finally breathe again. Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Do you feel like the industry ever tried to just
box you in as a battle rapper? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Later on in my life, like later on, like more
more there now, they tried to put me in a
batter rapper box. But in the beginning, I don't think
they considered me a batter rapper. You had to be
like a diehard fan to know about them DVDs and
me battling free. It wasn't social media, so only like

(01:05:17):
certain industry niggas even knew about that happening.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
So smack, DVDs come up, DVDs them shits.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
But that wasn't like, it wasn't like mainstream like that,
Like I mean, it was like some underground shit. So
I mean, I don't think a lot of I mean
a lot of people knew that I came from that
battle rap culture like that. I was on that sipher
in Philly that was just in the city. But now
I'm I'm appealing to the whole world. So everybody don't

(01:05:47):
know about that Philly shit and you battling and all that.
All they know about is what you're doing now, that's right.
So I was on the rough rid of compilations and
then I did I got a large house, a dog
house in my backyard. They know that. And after you
did that, that was Ronald Osley, Puff, Jada kiss Snoop

(01:06:08):
Dog Swiss Beats, and then baby and Me, I'm the
only new like you see all them is like already
lit established niggas. And then it's me, I got a
large house. But it's like one of the most memorable
lines from that old song from me. And right after that,

(01:06:29):
what was the next thing? I dropped you? I mean,
girl you when that comes to my hotel. So it's
like the world think I'm like a hotel rapper, Like
I'm like a pop rapper, like I'm like a making rapper.
They don't know that. I get busy and I got
bars and a miracle and I'm from the streets. I'm
not just a you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
But what would you say today being from the street
and being in the industry, knowing what you know and
being through what you've been through what you have with
that pop lane.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Because you had it it's first record.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
It's important to do both. That's why I had to
fight about what the second album to do. I'm a hustler.
They ain't want me to do that type of record.
They wanted me to do more of a hotel type
of pop top forty type of record.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
That's what I like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
It's mandatory for me to do one of these records
like from my battle history, from what I represent, from
who I am. The world need to see me like this,
like it's not going to go right unless we do this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
When I'm a hustler, drop shit change for you exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
But they didn't want to do that. So that's what
makes me feel so good about me fighting for that man,
fighting to push that, fighting to make that happen. You
know what I'm saying. That's what made me feel good
about my decisions. And I'm fighting against people that's been
doing this longer than I was born, you know what
I mean. I was signing to Clive Davis, so he
like it was lit before I was born. Like, you

(01:07:58):
know what I'm saying, So you can't say that you
did has been putting them all work a time like that. Crazy?
Can you make a decision over them, you know what
I'm saying. But for me to know and feeling and
be able to do that, that meant a lot. And
I felt like I had to do that because my
first two singles was Hotel and Get No Better. So
if you just a regular fan and you hear that,
you would never think that I'm like the Freeway Battle Cass.

(01:08:20):
You would never think he was him. You would think
you could go get it cracking. You said I was
taking off my shirt for the ladies and doing all that. Yeah,
you would think I'm that. You won't think that he
gets this and go crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Tell you a nigga like me that never had a
pop record, never had the body to take his shirt
off at the show. I'm looking at this, I'm looking
at you and Joe. Who the fuck these niggas think
they are many think they gonna get more bites than me.
Watch this. So I was hated. You was killing just

(01:08:56):
just taking the shirt off, nigga. I woanted to get
in the gym. I just never had that motivation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
It's like I got a couple. Look, I ain't want
to really say it, but I was kind of eting
when jay Z and all them on the radio and
Hot nine seven, they talking crazy. That's why I went
back and like fuck that nah this sing jigger? This
your little nigga? What who the fuck is this? This?
That somebody that's that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Your ship by g ward Man? Fucking I remember when
Jake Clear I'm a hustler and I'm like, oh, He's like, Yo, Swiss,
just sit this record over.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
I'm clear I played that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I'm gonna tell you were in the studio, Swiss, we
about to make a beat. Like Yo, I'm already do
some mixtape. Ship. I gotta get some ship out for
the streets. So he started sucking with them drums like
that's crazy. He's like, Yo, I got all these A
cappellas from Hole. He started going through them. All these
A cappellas don't need to get to that, Nigga Nigga.
I'm like, oh, that's crazy. Nigga asks about Nigga. Put

(01:09:56):
that ship in the machine. He starts chopping it. Nigga acts, Nigga,
Nigga asks about me. Nigga acts, Nigga, Nigga asks about me,
and we went to the next part. When we get
to the I'm a Hustler, I'm like, when he started
hitting that, I'm like, Oh, that is it. That's gone.
But when he first did it, he did the beat.
We did the beat when he first When we get

(01:10:18):
the beat, I go in there and because we were
supposed to be doing a mixtape song, this was he
was supposed to be doing. So when he do the beat,
I go in there and I do a mix tape style.
I lay too long ass verses. I think the verses
probably like fifty bars, so it takes a long gas
time to get back to them. I'm a musleah, so
it's like a long gas time to get back to that.

(01:10:39):
I'm just rapping. It's still available. You can look at
that original version I'm a Hustler. Before the I did
the song, I was like on the road and DJ
Romans he was down with flip Mode Buster Rhymes and
all lem you know, I mean, not DJ Romance. I'm

(01:11:00):
that was the nigga that got me on the cipher.
But Rampage Rampage was with Flipmo Squad and he was DJ.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
KS.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Rampage is fucking it, fucking it up on the DJ
side and the clubs. So he got a hold of
that record and he was already fucking it up in
the city, playing it crazy. But I was on the
road and I ain't know. So when I get back
to the city and I go to the club, he's
everything regular, And then all of a sudden, I had
new cassidy. Nigga asks about me. Nigga asks about me,

(01:11:31):
Ai and all them in the club. I see Ai
and them get up, they like, Nigga asks about me.
Nigga asks about me. It's like everybody going crazy, like
they know the ship, like it's already like ringing, and
I'm like, what the fuck? I see AI get up
talk about Nigga asks about me. I said, Oh, this
ship is a fucking hit, bro, but why it's playing.

(01:11:53):
It's taking so long to get back to the hook,
And I'm like, Yo, this shit ain't It's clubby, but
I did it like mixed tape bar style. I gotta
make this shit into a real song. So I went
right back up to New York and I'm like, yo, Swiss,
this ship is going in the city. We gotta make
this into a real song. They're like what. I'm like,

(01:12:13):
Nigga that I'm a hustler. He like, nah, gots. I'm like, Nigga, Nah,
we gotta do that right, And I'm like, nah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Bro that crazy right there?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
That's crazy, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
He like, all right, fuck it. He pulled the beat up,
and then I start putting together the verses that you
hear on the video the actual single, shortening them verses
and making it like that. And then we put that
shit together, chopped it up, and I'm like, Yo, this
is it. This is the single. Let's go. And we
took that ship to Jay Records. They like what No,
I don't like. They like listen, they said, how are

(01:12:48):
we going to sell this this record? You don't hear
in the chorus alone. They like it now. They ain't
say it, but they like it's Nigga acts, Nigga, Nigga
acts about me. Nigga Nigga nigga asks about me. They
start adding up with their fingers the number niggas and
the shitst that's in the hook, and they like, how
could we ever get this on the top forty station?

(01:13:10):
How we ever get this on the radio? This is
not it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
We need something like girl, you want to come to
my hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I'm like, no, this is it. That's right, and they
ain't want to believe it, so they ain't putting no
money behind it. So what we do got to just
release it to the mixture DJ's on your own. We
ain't had no clares, we ain't had no money behind it.
I just released it to the mixed DJ's on my
own and they started playing the shit like crazy. They
started going crazy with the record, and when they start

(01:13:39):
seeing the spins and the reaction of the record with
no money behind it, they said, oh shit, this is it,
and that's when they started releasing. That's why I was
able to get Benny Boone to come to Philly and
shoot the video. That's why we was able to make
it the first platinum ring tone. But the money came
a little late. If they would have believed in it
from the beginning, and on the top of the fact

(01:14:00):
that I was locked up two weeks before the album droppers?
What effect that the actual more minim of that project.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
So with that being said, with the I'm a hustler
taking off, like as a rapper being signed to a
rapper and a rapper being signed to a producer always
felt like people like y'all like you, Saigone, you know
what I mean, you had the advantage of having a
producer always on call, Like how was that for you

(01:14:30):
being signed to How would you thought of that process
of being with Swiss?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I guess as advantages and disadvantages of both, you know,
I mean, I guess you probably got some advantages of
being signed to a rapper because if you're trying to rap,
it could be advantages today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Until he drops in, until he's trying to drop his project,
this fuck your project.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
But at the same time, when you signed to a producer,
even if you get a crazy record from another producers
like fuck that song too, you think about that. So
I mean I got dope records, like you know what
I mean, that could have went crazy, but you know,
from different producers of a producers, the first single is
always gonna be Swiss, you know what I mean, so

(01:15:18):
a lot of people might think that Swiss like produced everything,
but on a lot of like my biggest projects, Swiss
might have produced two or three songs, but it might
be Christine songs on the project seventeen songs and he
had produced two or three of them and he had
just do the single. Though, So everybody like, yo, Swiss

(01:15:39):
did everything. They listened to the project is Swiss, and
they would just look at it like that, like you
know what I'm saying. So it's advantages and disadvantages of both.
But I mean, I learned a lot being signed to
a producer and being focused on bars, like me focusing
on lyrics and bars. It was good to be signed
to a producer because he was able to look at

(01:15:59):
it from a different perspectives. That's just off bounces and
energy and yeah, like list and shit like that. When
I'm not focused on that, I'm more focused on I
got a large house, Like I cannot impress you with
what I'm about to say, but at the same time,
when you can say it over the right type of
tempo or the right melody or the right beat and

(01:16:20):
make it even better. So being with him with special
you know what I'm saying so, yeah, I can't say
which one is better, Like if it's me and Saiguy
got the advantage and you got the advantage. But it's
all a blessing just to be with somebody that's established,
regardless if it's a rapper, producer or even somebody that
don't do nothing, but they just got information.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Got connects. Yeah, that's all it's about, man. It's having
an opportunity. Opportunity is bigger than anything, man, it's what
you do with it. So like and being from Philly,
man one of the most competitive cities when it comes
down the spinners like the new generation. How do you
feel your influence play in the role of the new
generation spinners from.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Philly A lot?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I think even a new drill saund On, all that
got to do with how he was giving it up,
me aar Ad, the old ob h Loste family, how
we were just giving it up, talking that crazy shit
as well, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Influenced a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
And with this Battle rap Ship, how I gave it up,
like with all of the leagues, Battle Academy and all
of the Philly leagues like those wouldn't exist if it
wasn't for the work that you know, what I mean
I put in if me and Free Battle ain't happen,
it probably wouldn't be no U Are Rel. It probably
wouldn't be no rb rare Breed Entertainment. I mean, it

(01:17:41):
probably wouldn't be no King of the Dot. You know
what I'm saying. It's like everything lead to other things,
So you know what I'm saying that was that battle
is what led to all of these people seeing that
it's money and it's and people is interested in seeing
this type.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Of sh It's interest is money. That's all your name man.
Once it's interest, it's money for show exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
So like you know, I shit wasn't but for social media.
So it was on the VHS tape Po Po Po
a nigga that actually recorded it that was down with
rough riders on the camera that record on the VP type.
So in the in the beginning, it was only on
VHS tape and certain industry niggas got access to the tape,

(01:18:26):
so they was all when they came to the studio
with us, they was able to see it. But they
was able to just say I've seen it and talk
about it. But it wasn't like the Internet where you
could pull it up and actually see it. So then
the mixtape DJ got Damn, I don't remember what mixtape
DJ got it first, and I don't want to disrespect him.

(01:18:47):
I know he had to be somebody, but I just
can't remember. But one of the one of the mixtape
DJs that was lit at the time, got access to
the VHS tape, so he took the VHS tape and
put it on the audio. He took the audio off
of the VHS tape and put it on the mix
team where the battle was just like music mix tape.

(01:19:10):
So people was riding around the sound right that killing Yeah,
So it was on like a mix tape and people
was riding around actually listening to the battle like it
was a record or a mix tape record, and they
was actually rapping it, but they couldn't see us. They
didn't know that it was like visual. It was just

(01:19:31):
on the mix taap, so you know what I'm saying,
Like you know, and then eventually when YouTube started and
all that, then people was able to see the audio,
I mean, the actual visual later, you know what I mean.
But I think that's what led to all of these
leagues starting and people getting inspired to even want to
be super lyrical and punch Like you said, punching wasn't

(01:19:54):
around before I really made it super popular. So for
people to be just focused it's on street punching and
being competitive and disrespecting the nigga like that. You know
what I mean, All that energy wasn't really around.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
But for me, Yeah, that's right, man. That's why I'm
gonna ask you too. That's my next question. Do you
feel like real balls is back or do you feel
like the half they ever left?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
They never left because there's billions of people in the world.
So Grand Aster, Caz, Big Daddy, Kane, Rock Kim, they
are still alive, especially as still alive Kumo D.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
He just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Shout out to Kumo D. We be communicating He's still alive. Bro.
All of the legends, KRS one, they still alive. L
L still alive. Shout out the l L. I went
to the studio with l when I was super young.
I was like a teenager. That's when I was just
starting l L knew all my mixtape shit from back then.
This is the first time I seen Holly Berry too.

(01:20:55):
Be outside the hotel waiting for LLL to come down,
and I see Holly b for the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
I am, but you foul though you just did some
foul ship.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
You mentioned D and then you said l L and
hip hop legend derry rapper. Now both it's like blash
both l L was out here let me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Texting me calling was that ship man?

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
He had legend shades.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
But then w l L said, I crushed D shades
and ice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
To Like I told you, I was in the studio
where l L we work. I love l L. I
love They both inspired me to be me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
So yeah, niggas, you gotta battle L No, I'm fucking
with you is the super battle rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
I couldn't even I would never disrespect like yo. I'm
not a nigga that disrespect the niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
That was pioneers. Yeah, I'm saying, like the groundwork for
us bro them the o gs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Like like even you like you came too much before me.
I wouldn't even you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
You wanted to battle me. You know, I don't believe
you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
No, I never did that. You wasn't. It was too
but for me, like you know what I'm saying, you
was already on when I was thinking about getting on.
And once it's like that I don't. I don't disrespect
like all these people I'm naming us I talked to,
especially at Kumo, d Graham as the cas Krs, one Ll,
cool J, all these people I talked to, and I

(01:22:29):
would never I feel like I'm the best, but I'm
the best from after they from me like I'm not.
The only way I would ever disrespect the nigga that
came before me if he just started disrespecting me, Crazy
and Violey and Me and just I don't got no
other choice, But I would never like no other choice.
I would never like initiate no disrespect to the niggas

(01:22:52):
that paved the way for me. If they ain't do
what they did, I wouldn't even be able to exist.
And I realize that, And I realized if I ain't
do what I did, all of the people that came
after me wouldn't be able to exist. So the same way,
I want them to show respect for the work I
put in. I got to show the respect for the
work the niggas that put in that game. But for me, Bro,

(01:23:13):
that's only right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I mean, let me ask you, being a major boss,
spit a battle rapper, hit maker from pop to Underground records, mixtapes.
What you feel what's your take on ghostwriting, Like, how
do you feel about do you take away from an
artist craft and ghostwriting and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
And all the same category as dudes like me that's
trying to be the best and really is the best
and really like battling and competitive. You could never be
in that conversation if you got ghostwriters and you got
assistance and you got help, there's no way to compare us. Now,
you could compare the other niggas that got ghostwriters like
you as far as success and how y'all took the

(01:23:53):
ghost writing, how y'all delivered it, how y'all accomplished that.
You can fight with them, But you can never battle
with a nigga that do it from the muscle and
try to act like you could compete with that. It's
a difference, you know what I'm saying. So that's what
I don't like. I don't like when fans try to
like mix and match that. And there's nothing wrong with

(01:24:14):
having the ghost writer. The first hip hop song that
we ever heard was Goosery and grand Master cast Ghos
wrote that I told you that's my inspiration. He ghost
wrote the first actual record ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
That was ghost writting shit niggas saying the name that
wasn't even his name in that song.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
So before before we even knew about Rat, Rat was
already getting goost written. So we can't say, like, you
know what I'm saying, it's gonna happen. It's a business.
Niggas trying to get money and be successful, but at
the same time there's also rules and regulations. So just
because you get money and successful, don't me and you
could compare to a nigga that's doing it from the muscle.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
That's what fact I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
And a lot of niggas that niggas compare me to
I ghost wrote for I don't say it, but it'd
be funny. They'd be like, Yo, you ain't better than
such and such, and I'd be like, Yo, when we
was in the studio, I was the one giving this
nigga all the lines to say, but y'all saying I'm
not better than him?

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
How Like, what's why you gave him all the lines?

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
That's why you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I take that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Can't be better than yourself? Nigga? What the fuck you
battering yourself? They right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Times though, I bat on myself. I think three times
on two of my albums and on a different record
after that, I beat on myself. I was the first
person to actually do that because I ain't had nobody
to battle me, and I love battling. That's what made
me get excited.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
So I'm like, niggas, I battled myself. Niggah, that's dope, man,
cash you dead friend, nigga. Yo. When people speak of
Philly legends, man, in the history and the Philly and everything,
well you think your name should be born up among
the Philly legends.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Well, it's a lot of Philly legends. Before we talk
about me, just shout out to the Philly legends. Man,
all the work man, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
You got the whole, you got state property, Beanie Segull,
you got what's uh? What's the homies that had the
first record put Philly most wanted Philly, most want It?

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
You got Gilly and them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
That's major figures. You got, uh, you got ram.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Squad, you got a got about Ram Squad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It's a lot of people from Phillydo you got uh?
Will Smith? You got Eve, you got Bahamada.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Yeah, the Dia was ship she was spitting. Yeah, but
you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Wait before you answer that question, would you feel about
Will Smith's latest bars.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I just I was a super fan of Will Smith
when I was like a kid, like a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It's one of the biggest entertainers in the world. But
I'm talking about his rap that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
I'm just happy he's still being active, still rapping, you
know what I mean, He's still he doing it all man,
he just got the world, bro, you can't. It's different
when Will rap. Man, It's like you's gonna say the
same line as a million of a billion other people,
but it's just gonna hit different when Will say it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
It's Will Man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I think I think it's more or less that that's
the point that that's Will Smith. He's fucking no matter
what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
The same thing Will hove. It's like, you know, he's
super lyrical, he's super nice. But the advantage he got
us he could say other things that a billion other
niggas could have said the same thing and it just
won't hit the same. It's just him how he say it,
and you just visualize him. It just in different. M

(01:27:53):
know what I'm saying. So I think that's the advantage
Will got. Just happy He's still rapping still, I mean
doing this thing representing for the city.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
But like I said, back to the question, where you
think your name should be put amongst the great of Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
It depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking
about bars number one cool, If you're talking about just
bars lyrics like just that number one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
So that ship Man, but just as an overall artist.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Talking about actual success and being like popular, like a
household name, that's arguable. And if you want to just
talk about rap because it's other like you know, you
got Jill Scott, you got other people that don't rap.
But if you're just talking rat you know what I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Definitely label Man Pod more lit than us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
I told you my first manager, like artists like that.
But if we just talking rap, I'm definitely Mount.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Teddy from from Philly. The only black thought. Now you
ain't nice, you ain't fucking with the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Only people that you could only put in these in
the in then Mount Russian was for so like if
you was to do that, like you could do a
Black Thought, you could do like a Beanie Seagull and
like the newer generation might do me m but who else.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Gotta be?

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
That's you up there, the fourth man Rushmore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah, I felt like you know what I'm saying, I'm
already edging stone in the city with rap like when
they come to bars and just getting busy and just
being competitive like everybody else do different ship like what
I mean Black Thought get busy lyrically. I mean body
some ships the nicest from Phillip the band, the whole ship.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Like with him, I mean that niggas go rhyme about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
He the dopest man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Seriously, he could freestyle round about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Black Thought is like my inspiration to like the Roots
thiks braw like them. Niggas was going crazy before I
was on, Like I was like a kid listening to
them niggas in the Alli way, just listening to them.
So they like in me to want to do my things.
So I would never like be able to compete with
the Roots because they was way they was on. Compete

(01:30:07):
with the same thing with Beanie, Like I told you
when I first met beans he was about to put
me on that I pissed on your grave. He was
already on on this thing when we first seen each other.
Of course, I was on the sipher and I was
Litt and that's where he knew me from. But that's
just a radio competition with me battling. I have no real,
nothing to degenerate, no publishing, you know what I'm saying.

(01:30:30):
He was already on on his thing and was ready
to put me on the record. So he's before me,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
So it's like speaking of beans man bean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Take away from what Gilly and the Major Figures did.
They was before me. Bro ab Liva from Major Figures.
When I'm a little kid listening to my raps giving
me inspiration, he already old, driving around in trucks and
doing ship and he picking me up. I'm a young boy. Johnson.

(01:30:59):
I just seen him the day from like an avenue,
like from a block up. He was the first one
doing that double time fast rhyming that everybody do. Now.
He was killing shit. Used to show me that A
got busy, No aar is after that. Dutch from Major Figures,
Like Dutch wanted me to be in the figures and

(01:31:20):
then another group that he was in, like that's how
close I am with these Philly niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Dutch made up a fake bad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Once I got on that, once I got on and
I got the opportunity. That's when I put aar on.
You know what I'm saying, ar on ob h the
rest of them niggas. And that's how niggas started to know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Ob you put a on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah. I put r On to the to the world
like I mean, he had a little buzz down anyway
from a niggas corrat, but to the world to everybody
knowing who R is. And I'm being the household name man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
That's dope man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
That's what's up man? What's next for cast man? Musically?
Business wise, family wise? What's next? What's next?

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
You want the people to know that you got coming
out or working on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
I'm always working man. Unfortunately, the last battle I had
couldn't get completed.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Yeah, he's the block making it's about the brawl on
the block.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
I've been dropping a lot of dish records towards him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Yeah, I just seen another war.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Yeah, I'm just focusing on him. I've been dropping a
lot of records like to start twenty twenty six, just
to show people that Bars is back and I'm active
everything three sixty. So it's been a time when Bars
were super active, like back when when when we first started,
it was all revolved around bars. It felt like you
couldn't even get a spot if you couldn't wrap. But

(01:32:45):
then it went to some other shit. It was more
about dance and to be permittent and like, but now
it's always going three sixty it's gonna come back. And
that's why I was telling people bars is back. So
now people was like a few years ago, like bars dead,
don't know bike on here, that shit no more. That
shit is over. But now it seemed like that's all
that got people attention is a nigga being original, a

(01:33:07):
nigga having bars, a nigga talking some crazy shit about
a different nigga, like like, man, fuck all the mother niggas,
it's all about us. Back to that. But that's how
it used to be. So it's three sixty and again,
and now it's back to where people that grew up
off that could capitalize what I'm saying. So it's seeming
like like the niggas like us that came up in

(01:33:27):
that time and survived, we like genius is now so
like the information that we got is super valuable to
the people that's trying to figure it out now because
bars is back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
The game is to be sold, not told. You already know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
So when it's all said and done, man and you
kick back, retired kids, grown grand children, what do you
want the legacy of Cassidy?

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Bar wants people to say.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
That's what I was born with. That's my name, Barrek Barr,
Adrian Reese bars Man just he just focused on saying
crazy shit consistently forever, like that's what I want people
to remember me by. And then I tried to always
like work man. Even when I'm talking to legends, older rappers,

(01:34:15):
I'm working. I'm talking to new niggas. They could be
a PG battle rapper, and I'm still I got wild
bars to head. You let me hear something what you're
working on. I just want people to remember me as
being like a workaholic, Like how they kind of remember
Tupac Yo when you was in the studio with him.
It was no games. I told you that one time
I fell asleep in the jone with Riza, But that's

(01:34:35):
when I was like super young, like a teenager. But
since then I've been up ever since. So it's like
people know when they get in the studio with me,
I don't play no games. I'm constantly working. I don't
talk and joke and play video games and all that.
I'm constantly focusing on making that crack. You know what
I'm saying. So I want niggas to just remember me
by that, like his work ethic was incredible, and all

(01:34:58):
he was focusing on is saying the that shit that
he could possibly say. And if I leave that behind,
I know what, nigga, that know what nigga lives like
that gonna just do the best that he could possibly
do to just keep taking the ship to the next level.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
That's a fact, man, That's what suth cast. I appreciate
you pulling up man from day one. You always been
rock solid, always been a real nigga to me, Man,
I watch your battles, I stream all your music, I
watch everything you do. My nigga, just know we tapped
in and from my big homie, the one advice he
gave me, whether one, one thousand or one million, it's

(01:35:34):
no somebody tapped in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Always remember I'm tapped in, my nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
And you want to know what the big homie l
L gave me some advice when I was in the studio.
When I told you I seen Holly Berry for the
first time. The advice he gave me, that's legendary.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
He said.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Yo, he said, Yo, I've been paying attention to you.
He's like, Yo, you told you said I was taking
off my shirt on my ja. Rude shit. He said
the same, like I've I've been peeping you. The woman.
Fuck with you, your man, You got your shit going on.
He like, But the only advice I'm gonna give you
is stay off them hard drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yo, He's like, Yo, you start using them hard drugs
and shit's gonna make you look old.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Ladies that fuck with you, they ain't gonna that's right,
he said. But if you stay off the hard drugs,
he said me. Yeah, we stopped at the liquor store.
I grab some of my drink. You know what I mean.
I see you smoking, that's light. I'm talking about the
hard drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Like, you stay off them hard drugs and you stay
in shape. Ladies gonna love you forever. Bro. The fact
you're never gonna stop loving you. I don't care how
old you get. You stay like this, you stay looking
the same. They gonna love you forever.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
So I took that. I took either of that man,
And that's why I like when you see me now.
You could look at one of my old videos like
Hotel and look at me now and I'm still looking
the same, Like it ain't like I made some crazy alteration.
It's like it's the same. Nigga's right as I took
LLL advice. So shout out to the good.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
You hear that kids stay off the hard drugs. Can
thirteen look at forty five stealth doll drugs rock solid.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
We're here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
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