Fat Joe | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek - ROC Solid

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
at Drink Champs.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
You should know, good know, you should know God know
all right, y'all, you already know what it is, y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Back with another exclusive episode of rock Solid. Not only
do I got a New York Bronx, heavy hair and
legend next to me, man, but this guy right here
changed the face to hip hop in New York City.
One of the first to put a crew together coming
out Marvin that I definitely was like, who the hell
is these niggas and who they think they are?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So we gonna find out the real reason he called
hisself Joey motherfucking crack.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Swelcome Fat Joe to the building. Man, Oh g, how
you been? I'm off that Thu Sycy. You know we
were just talking about that Columbia shit man. Niggas. Wow,
b let me tell you something, you know you about
that project?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Life is different. I don't care how tough you are,
whatever you are. You know, people don't realize we live
in buildings with one hundred and forty five apartments, and
so say there's a thousand people live in that building,
apartments this small, and you can't even hang out in
front of the building because the police lock you up.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
And hanging out in front of the building a whole
different things, you know, in my block.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
And I'm gonna let you you know answer, But we've
been talking beyond the scenes about ill shit.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
But in my block, it was aininge you dust. They
finished a.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Lot of our legends, Like niggas was smoking that ain't
you dust and they start jumping off the roof and
all that while'n out fighting thirty cops. Niggas thought they
was he man. That ain't you dust was a different
type of Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
No, that was different.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's that's what I say. Was the first ship I
ever heard about. I remember being in school. They used
to bring the little case with the dead.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Niggas used to.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Come in there with the whole box and be like, yo, watch,
I'll do these drugs and they end up selling them all.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
But they used to have shit in there called ice PCP.
They used to have a ship that looked like them. Rag.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Remember the cap gun back in the day used to
have to put the red little strips in there.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
They used to have some ship that people used to put.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
On their tongue like that that dissolved.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I don't even know what that was.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I was too young, you know, I was a kid,
as said, I think that was. Yeah, my mother and
father as far as I know, to be honest with you,
my mother, I've never ever seen a drink in my life,
but my father used to drink. But I never seen
them use the drug in my life. But it's crazy
because when we was kids and we were walking to

(02:50):
the supermarket, niggas be like seeing d cochin, dope, coke
and dope seeing it like it was like you had
to get through Wall Street to go be legit and
get your groceries for your.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Kids and walk back home. Niggas. I didn't know. I
was a kid, but they were screaming, see.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
It d coke and dot coke and dot got the
like niggas is just out there. But they had the
dice game with the pham. They had like a like
a like the inside of a mattress. It was the
phone and they be playing that fucking selo and all that. No,
it was it was the wild wild West. When I'm
talking about baby years when I was.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's crazy because that was one of my first questions.
I was gonna ask you as a kid growing up
in the Bronx for what was it like? You know
what I'm saying, And ship you set it off before
I even had the ass it was.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was all so beautiful, right because when you ain't
got much, you don't.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Know you ain't got much.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
So my mom's and my family did very musical. We
never had no rappers, no musicians in my family, but
they played music. To this day, Uncle Nan is blasting
the Temptations in the four Tops.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So it's like, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
My mom fast Away and all she did was sit
in front of that TV and listen to the old
school shit. Let's dude the twist like you like they like.
And so we grew up like that, you.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Know what I'm saying. Music was a big motivation for
me and in my life. So we had a lot
of fun times.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
We ain't know we ain't have it, you know. And
they always worked, you know what I'm saying. My mom's
and my pops worked hard. You know, I got big
family in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I don't know if you know what part Bushwick Cornelia
Hell yeah, Bushwick and Corneli. Yeah, they had that raw
when I was a shorty nigga.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
What listen, man, All my cousins is from there. That's
where I learned come ful yo. Kidders used to have
yo yo. That was a thing in New York. As
a shorty. Everybody knew karate or had a home run yo.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I had a holie too. Man used to teach my cousin,
jose Man. He all of them died off crack right.
But them niggas there, they used to fight komfood. They
thought they was the kome Fu niggas. Then I had
East New York Miller Ave the beg him, my aunt,
my godmother, she she used to live there too, So

(05:20):
I got big family and all, actually most of my family.
My family also from the Lower East Side. I never
told you now because they never was like really tough,
so you.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Ain't even know. The niggas said they were not him.
Your niggas never talked to their family. That's not tough.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's not talking about y'all niggas killing the whole Lower
East Side. You're never gonna know this. Niggas going to
school being a nice yard. My cousins lived in the
projects off the fd R. But I met you them
the nigga right now. Listen them niggas there, Yeah, they
got jobs.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
They there.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I see them all the time and ship. But my
cousin them, but they're nice guys. That's why you never
hear me like yo, my cousins from you.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Know, you can't, Yo, that's crazy because back in the
day in the hood, you fucking nigga. Nigga be like, Yo,
I'm going to get my cousin who who it was?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
My cousins from over here, and like I ain't cool, go.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Get them, nigga said, my cousins wasn't even My project.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Was very different.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Like you beat up one, nigga, the brother comes right,
cousin nine brothers and they keep coming to one of
them beat your ass just nowhere around it.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
As a fact.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
The bigger one come, the bigger one come. By the
time the third, fourth.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
One, you like, yo, nigga, they gonna beat the ship.
That's a fact, Yo.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Niggas come with the bigger I never want I never
forget my brother.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
My big brother was my hero. One day I fucked
this big.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Up his other brother came, I fucked him up. The
other one came, I fucked him up. Then the other
one came. I didn't at that age, no more, no, no,
I ain't even know what mushus was. That nigga came,
you nigga like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Like yo, I got I've never been pussy in my life,
so I gotta fight him.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
The nigga was beat man. My brother came like superman.
They called my big brother. He was bigger than him.
He beat the ship out of him. But it was
that type of ship where your sister nigga fuck with me.
I'll bring my sister out rest in peace. My sister
used to beat this shut out.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
A bit, she says. Now, my brother used to hold
it down for me. Man shut out dre. My bro
definitely used to come out. He ain't never let me
get it nothing that it's like you fort me. You
definitely had to fight my brother.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
She that was a ship.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's highly unfortunate for niggas, our brothers and sisters.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're gonna meet your match.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I got beat up my girl my project too, man,
because I never hear girls said I got beat the truth.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Girls definitely in the projects fight.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Like niggas, but I'm not gonna fight a fact, so
they basically picking on me. Hit him back then the
bitch is running like y'all fuck fat joey up.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Many smack the ship out that nigga this or that.
But you know, I'm being a gentleman, like, you know,
you can't hit.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
The woman that was running with that Ship's.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Niggas who try.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I know girls in my hood who got niggas who
can't come back to this day, like he better not
come back to the hood.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And it's a girl.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Ain't supposed to beat the girl up, but you're gonna
dump the projects like, well, she's gonna have you got
she got some family or whatever with her. You know,
nigga says she got some female.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Y know that family shit was a big deal, man, Yo,
take me back to the first deal, my gee, because
you was signed the Death Gym ninety two ninety three.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Not Death Jam. I was on Relativity. Oh and so
what happened is I'm in the streets and I'm hustling, right,
and and I'm outside outside legendary right, we're getting that
money for real. Now, you know, I'll be watching niggas,
you know, watching niggas.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I used to think was legends. They do their documentary
and it was like.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, we was making two thousand a day. I'm like,
you know, you're about two hundred and ninety eight thousand,
you said, I watch your documented like no legendary niggas.
You know their name in every barrow. And when I
look at they numbers, I'm like, yo, this ain't legendary.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Numbers like you know so well, we were doing legendary numbers.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
And so I turned around and said, yo, I went
to the Apollo Theater and I said telling niggas.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Niggas was laughing at me.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
All the drug dealers, they're still alive, y'all know, y'all
was all laughing at me because we used to brag
a lot, like if.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
You think we brag now podcasts.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
We used to meet up on one thirty eight and
nigga be like, yo, I did two hundred thousand a day, Yo,
what they want fifty yard? They one hundred nigga, there
is just bunching chando talking about the work. But whatever
they were doing. So I told everybody like so, I
was always popular before I was a rapping room hit.
Everybody knew me and so I told everybody, you know,

(10:11):
I'm doing the pot. The niggas been dying like y'all
this this that I came in first place four weeks
in the world. I want y'all to hear me out, guys,
because a lot of times y'all hear shit, it.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Go over your head. I'm a Spanish nigga. I went
to the Apollo Theater in Harlem and won four weeks
in the brow One.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
When I won, I got read Alert, who was the
number one DJ at the time, said Yo, do you
got any demos? Any promos? And I made one for him,
which was Flow Joe. He would play it every every
Friday and Saturday. And then one day I'm on the
plot but it's still not even a dream, like you're

(10:52):
just doing it because you love it. And Chris Lighty
came up rest in Peace and he was like, yo,
you know who I am?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I said said yeah, baby, Chris, he was like,
you fed Joe. I said yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
He said I think you could be a star. I
was like what he said, I got a record label
and I want to sign you. I was like, yeah,
the fuck, Like I couldn't believe it. I signed right
in the middle of the street. No lawyer know nothing.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
That's how you know when the nigga really want to sign.
I don't advise that every once you get a lawyer,
But when you chasing the nigga to sign to you
and he acting like to fly this this, he don't
really want to sign.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So I signed in the middle of the street.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I got a what fifty thousand dollars check, nigga, and
I seen way more money than fifty thousand, but.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I was so proud. I was showing the whole projects.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Any nigga that'll look at my check, look legit, legit, legit, legit.
Look look I made it, yo, And I wind up,
God bless me.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I wind up.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
The same day I signed, my mother got diagnosed with
care answer. So I wind up spending maybe thirty nine
forty thousand on the nurses, the private nurses to watch
my mother while she was going through that process of
stone keategory. So I made a whole album with ten

(12:17):
Grand Diamond produced it. Then the beat Nuts, they were
signed to Chris Slidy two.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I met them. They mixed my album for free on
their shit in power playing Queens, So I was sneaking
to their Seestion. They mixed Flowed Joe. They mixed all.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That shit, and that's why you was dead legendary the
beat Nuts.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
With That's how that shit went.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's dope, man, the beat Nuts legendary, legendary, diam indeed legendary.
But then after all of that, man, think about it representing.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Flow Jo go number one. Yeah, number one changed the gag.
I'm telling you, man, I been delusional, been delusional. So
even just.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Like when I walked in the part I left out
with the Apollos, you walk in and there's one hundred
different artists, damn the singers, all type of ship there.
I'm looking at these niggas like, Yo, what are they
doing here? You know I'm winning this ship. I was
looking at.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
What are they doing here?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
So when we put our Flow Joe, you better believe
I was delusional enough to think we was gonna know
number one ship with number one.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
You know, so it was a big blessing. You know.
That's crazy, man.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's my first record that introduced me to you. I
remember being in the crib. You know, heybody watch Ralph
mcdan u's video music box. Shout out Ralph, Man, Yo,
my gen that shit, come on, you gotta flow, Joe.
And this is at first, when I'm first starting to rhyme,
so it's like me, I'm listening, I'm telling you gotta
flow bleak, but I had no flow.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
So I'm listening to ship. Ain't my nigga? I remember
that shit?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
You fuck with me, I'm gonna mad.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know they gotta freeze y'all gotti yo.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
But what I didn't know about that was that everybody
grew up with Spanish dudes their whole life, but in
the hip hop there weren't no Spanish niggas representing. I know,
when they saw a Spanish nigga with a half moon medallion,
it was gonna be like, Yo, that's Tito getting money
around the corner, and the Latinos was gonna just be like, Yo,
that's our nigga right there.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
So that's what I didn't know. Did I know it
was gonna blow? I ain't know.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I want to shout out, grab pool Ball. My brother,
he called me Yester. He on my first album, Cuji
rap on my first album. You know they came to
my first video great, nice, nice and smooth. A lot
of people helped me along the way build my butt
lord faness.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
If it wasn't for him, I would have never had
a career show. It's like it's like you know, show biz,
a g big al all.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
It like everybody inspired me so much and I took
it from there. But you know, a lot of people
supported me when they didn't have to support me, is
what I'm saying. If you watch Besides you like Flowo,
you look grand Pool bought the hotestnig in the world
in the video, Domo D's in the video, Greg Nice's

(15:16):
in the video, nor from now. So they strengthen me,
you know what I'm saying. So to this day, I
always keep the door opening up. And it's crazy because
I really don't tell niggas I got you. I really
don't tell niggas. But the niggas I do tell I
got them. They never won, not there, thank god. The
niggas I tell yo, I got you. You need anything, nigga,

(15:37):
you let me know. They never asked for a ball
soap niggass like Nah, Joe, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's like I was just super duper wow nigga.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
But I came in the game trying to change you know,
every all my niggas went to the FED.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
My niggas is still.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
In the FEDS now from that time, and my lion
wrench they steal in the y'all gotta understand that, guys,
I was with every day, My best friend on earth,
still in the facts from that so I was running
with niggas. Y'all wouldn't understand what I mean with seven

(16:15):
heads and niggas was doing they was, They was laying
everything down. So my escape the music with the music. Yo,
I'm in this industry. I gotta chill. I don't want
to start no ship, yo.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I got.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So I personally was nice in the industry. Anybody thought
I was wild, and that's not true. I was actually
trying to change my life. Even when I went up
to Pun, see right, you know Pun, you know get
it fucked up. Pun was a wild nigga. All Pun
needed was a crew. He didn't have a crew like

(16:52):
an army. Part of the first conversation I have with
and we.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Said, Yo, I'm gonna bets. I said, yeah, you're gonna bets.
He said, so those guys to do what I say.
I said, yeah, they're gonna do. He was like, oh
my god, I've been waiting for this ship this.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
He was like a loaner, that was a live nigga
that he was just waiting for the army.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
So when I told him, you got.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
It, and they loved him to this day.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
They still love him to death.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
But the point is I actually took a step back
from being tough because all my guys went to the
FEDS at that time. Because I grew up at a
time where it was almost historical when somebody snitched on you.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Niggas ain't snitch. Niggas mothers ain't snitch. It was none
of that going on. But around that era, that dog
cart a Gina era, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Niggas started snitching in the Feds. It was rico and
everybody was in there. Like you know how when you
see that the blue eye what you call that in English?
Like Son said, he got blue eye lady, the lady,
the witchcraft lady. You ever see in the movie The Voodle,
They have the pins and they.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Hit you nigga.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I felt so many ben niggas was like Fat Joe's
a drug dealer. Don't believe he raps? Fat Joe killed
Fat Jo. They was going crazy in mcc my nigga
trying to put me in jail forever because I changed
my life and went legit.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Now these niggas get locked up, they facing.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Football numbers, and they like, tell you what in everybody
niggas I ain't know. It's like him, nigga, him, nigga.
I couldn't even sleep that night. So you listening to
Don Cardagina and I'm the hottest fuck I'm flaming any
nigga mine that's in the fence. It's like Joey, I'm sorry.

(18:48):
I'm like what they say, Ye understand what's going on
in here? The nigga trying to take you the fuck down.
So you're thinking, I'm Don Cardagina. I'm thinking, nigga, I'm
about to go to jail for ten thousand years. I
can't even sleep at night, you know what I'm saying.
So you know these are tough times. I actually what
I'm trying to tell you is I laid off the gas.

(19:10):
I laid off the wild for the night because I
was I knew I had to change.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
My life in order if I was going to survive
in this game. And I give myself a little credit.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Even though I was hot tempered or did a lot
of wild shit or whatever, because I always understood the mission.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I knew at the.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
End trying to get money with trying to be like
coming to Miami. I never had an argument in Miami
New York City. I was police number one public enemy.
They was trying to tear me up in Miami.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
The police is like, hey, yo, they think I'm a
nice guy. So I'm over here.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
But didn't having the greatest time of our lives because
I had to get away from there because I knew
I was gonna get jammed up for a thousand years.
Because you know, the oldest trick is it's not you.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's what I was just about to say that it's
not the artist, like I think a lot of the
issues was never you and jail punting jays, the crew.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
It's the crew.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
That's why I always tell niggas you can think of
rapper is pussy.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
All you want is cool. His niggas ain't though, you
feel me, this rapper ain't pussy.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, but you know, come on, no, no, no, no,
I just gotta be honest with you from the age.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
No no, no, no, no to be pussy like you know,
they put up a the other day, I got.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
The six thousand dollars dafter Dad jacket on by the bronker.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
You always be dripping.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
You had to due, remember you wear She set out
there niggas to kill you for love, Obama, I'm wearing
six thousand dollars coats.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
This niggas still locked up for a balls right now.
Sure that Eastern.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Seconds locked up right now for a balls st up.
It's always the entourage. And so what happened to me
is dead. These four niggas say cap and shit like that.
Everybody was coming out of jail and they were like
reporting for duty, sir, reporting for dud. These are terrible guys,

(21:15):
and they loved me because I grew up with them
and they respect me. So they want to be down
with some niggas they respect. And then one day I'm
at a Reggaetne concert and I it's in Madison Square Garden.
I sit up on the sink and I look, and
I got twenty mask murderers with me, And I said,
you're Joe man. These niggas gonna kill everything. Man, we

(21:37):
gotta get up. You gotta get out of here. You
need a fresh start, because they looking out for you.
They showing nothing but love. And you know how hard
it is even now with the young brothers. That's why
we gotta do shit like this. You know how hard
it is to tell a bunch of killers y'all moving
to Miami, go, do you It's almost like you dissolving

(21:58):
your game.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, they don't want to hear.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
If I had to tell my man one time, I
said yo, because I was.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
People don't understand. I'm talking about it now thirty years later.
But I was dumb hot. Do you know what dumb
hit is. I don't care who you is.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
You never see the Feds till you're about to go
to jail. I was having dinner with my wife seeing
them outside. So you know, I've been around this crime
ship for so long. I knew I was caught. It
was just a matter of them getting the right niggas
to say he did this and this and that, and
so my friends wouldn't understand.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
They thinking, yo, Joe, you move to Miami.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I'm like, yo, I had to do that to save
my life, you know, because over here we was gonna
go down, and in a bad way, meaning Young Doug,
Bobby Schmurder, all that shit they were doing.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
They had Fat Joe was the pot man. They created
that for Fat Joe.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
They serious, oh Lae for serious.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
They was in every club anytime, any beef. I never forget.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I got locked up. They pulled me in the back.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Asked me, yo, listen, do you really got beef for
g unit any if you like, if you see these guys,
would it be a problem. And that's what I'm like, Oh,
I'm cool. I don't want no rap beef.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm cool.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
They bring your niggas showing you pictures accident, I'm cool.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
If this is what niggas is getting into initial, leave
me out of it. That's why I said to you
movies off Camera's crazy that we got into music to
change our life, and a lot of these niggas got
into music now to enhance to life.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
They never lived, you know what I mean. But those
are the guys who are gonna take the biggest form.
That's a fact, and that's going.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
If you out here now famous, you got money, like I.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Am, trying to be a killer famous. Let's go yung dumb.
Let's go yung thumb. Just go yung thumb. Let's go young.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
This nigga was doing stadium, was jumping on private planes every.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Day legit famous.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Then they locked them up for the RICO. I was like,
how do you get to the level? Did you paying
fifty thousand? The fly coursed the country. You cake the
fuck up? You selling out arenas were You're steal in
the mud like little dirt. They got him jammed up right,
superstar like millonaires, like millionaire superstar flock.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
He said, yo, flow your win number one. By the way,
I was getting five hundred dollars a show. His niggas
was getting.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Fifty million and all they was getting broad breaking deals
Like what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Now? That's a fact even near that type of shit.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
So I always tell everybody, yo, keep a good uncle
around you or older guy.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
You were select because you know when we was young, we.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Was wowd But just have them like, calm you down
for a second because my uncle, Okay, this way I
come from. My uncle Jack Boot was probably the second
to you know, if I could tell it my way,
but he was the second to third.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Nigga to ever be in the rat Hunters. Not of
the Lower East Side.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Didn't know what that is this My uncle's probably the
second ever rat hunter Jack Boo, Guys, I want you
to do this.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
He was in jail since I was like four or five.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
He came home from jail and they was like, Yo,
your uncle want to see you. I don't even know
this nigga. To be honest with you, he was in
jail twenty five years. I'm thirty years old. We popp
and I go get him, and.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Some other shit happened.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I don't think I should say that because the family
will be mad at me.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
But no, I get in the call with that nigga.
I said, your uncle, what could you teach.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You all the years you was in jail? Well, could
you teach me? He said, Yo, to not be impulsive?
I said, what do you mean? He said, all the
guys I'm let in jail. You know your brother argue
with a nigga. Your brother gotta get if you jump
out so fast, then you in jail during that time,

(26:18):
because maybe if you would have gave it two three days,
and you would have gave it a week, you wouldn't
even cared like that. Well, being that you was impulsive,
now you're in jail forever. That's what happened. My uncle
told me. That's the one piece of news he told me.
That next thing he told me, I pulled the car over.
There is the true story. I gave him every dollar

(26:38):
I had in my pocket. I might have had fifteen thousand.
I said, oh, I can't hang.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Out with you, yo. No, No.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Twenty five years he came home. The first conversation, he
asked me something. He said, Yo, your you know just
this this today. You imagine you're a leader of a
crew called the rat hunters. Niggas was ready to give
him anything. He's the kitchen sink to post a job.
He ain't telling that, Nigga. Tell me in the car, Yo, nephew,

(27:06):
I need you to take me to New Jersey, I said,
I wear.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
In my pocket. I gave him every dollar I had.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
And I said, your uncle, I can't hang out with
you a rapper.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't got I can't. This ain't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I had to tell my own uncle, who've been waiting
twenty five years to riding with his nephew, I can't,
you know. Of course, that's oh, you know, rest of peace.
Jack Booho's all in his funeral and all that. But
of course we love him, and he actually became kingpin.
He actually bought a man should have Benz's had all
type of shit since he came home after twenty five years.

(27:45):
I see him in the club, he popping mad bottles.
I'm like, yo, uh, that nigga got it. He got
it popping real quick. But he passed away. God bless me,
Damn God bless uh. So fast forward two thousand and two.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
What's love? Drive with a shanty? Now you ain't on fire,
you ain't high, You just on fire. Now you just
literally hot again.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I was hot to lean back, but I'll break that
down to you, but we'll continue exact.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I was hot to lean back, hot back. The fans
was on you. No wonder y'all listen. You know, me
and Jay had to say it right. I don't know
if Hope ever told you this, But when y'all put
the video out and lean back, me and Jail remember
their debut. We watching it together, Me and that nigga
looking at each other. I'm like, yo, hop, why they
thuned the video out?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
He's like, bleak. I don't know. These niggas would have
smiled a little bit.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
This shit probably would have go even crazier because yeat
that now you're saying you was hired and explaining why your.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Niggas is in the video like this, the fangs watching.
Niggah d was watching all the way and.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
To just tell you an instance is I don't even
I didn't even want to bring that around, but they
try to. Their last try at me was around lean back,
and thank god, you know, it wasn't true what they
were trying.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
To accuse me of.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
And one of my mens just kept it one hundred
percent real. They was trying to get him to say
Fat Joe told him to do something, and he ain't
go for that.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
He said, Fat Jose a good man.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
And they went all the way down to the day
he went to try what to trolley beat it, but
they was on that nigga like, yo, we don't really
want you, we want Fat Joe, Nigga. I'm doing lean back.
We gas Nigga. That nigga was like, y'all, he.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Was like that Joe's a good man. We ain't doing that.
We're going to try. He beat it, thank god. What
I couldn't believe it. Lean back. I thought he was clean.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I thought we was in the clear right and he
still came back at that.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So I've been I've been silently hunted my whole life
on another level, hunted, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
And thank God God always had my back. That's a fact. Man.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Now think being do all of that to where you
are now? Come on, man, that's that's a full three sixty.
I know you sit back in the crib sometimes and just.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Be like, no, no, could you believe it? No, I
look at the light bulb.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
No, but the light bulb used to get I swear,
swear to my mother, mother. You brought your mother off
over you off camera, so I gotta give you one
born to my mommy nigga. When I look at the
fucking light bub I'm like Jesus is Lord, Like, I
can't believe it. We did the fifty year fan of

(30:33):
version of a hip Hop and Yankee stage. That was
the most excited I ever been for any concert. So
we went and shot the video of me and my
Project apartment and new people lived there. We shot in
there like I walked out the building, jumped in the roads,
drove through the bronx right into Yankee saying, and then

(30:55):
I got.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Out and I walked through the hallway straight on stage.
That's how I did that.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
That's how we did that Yankee stadium. When I went
in there, man, and I touched the wall. This how
my father and my.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Father worked hard. This whole life. I hate lived there.
Like the fucking wall. I could touch the bedroom.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I could touch the bedroom with this finger, and this,
that's the whole bedroom, the house.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
The living room was this. It was the smallest shit. Nigga.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I went to my house. I kissed that floor like
Muslims be on their knees. I kissed that floor in
my house and prayed so hard to God because I
could not believe where the fuck I came from and
how I ended up. You understand what I'm saying, and
so uh. People always ask me what's your motivation? Like yo,

(31:51):
you know sometimes I have dreams. I have project buildings
as cartoons with arms and legs chasing me. Yo, that's
a recurrying dream.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I'm giving you the real dream.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
I have a dream he keeps coming my whole life,
and it's about project building as a cartoon chasing me.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
With arms and legs. Like yo, Joe, you coming back
that coming back. I got to run away from that, nigga.
I love the projects, my people. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, that's a fact man, So damn like you had
pun my g legendary rest in peace to the o G.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like how did that relationship start? Like, well, what did
you do?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Let me ask you a question because I know what
my answer is. How did you feel when you first
heard a big partner you knew he was a fat
Spanish nigga spitting like that?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
What was the effect you had when you heard pun
ramin like that? My first joint I heard y'all do
was the Snoop Dogg and Doctor Dre joint when y'all
first did that dread.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
So it was no, it didn't size didn't matter, like yo,
he fat didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Remember we got Biggie, you know what I mean. Biggie
was a legend before.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
The world heard him in Brooklyn, you know what I mean,
Like we all knew from everything like then, think I grew.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Up Chubb Rock. The fat boys, Come on, man, you
know what I mean. Fat boys don't get credit for
being the first rappers with a movie fat fat fat
like stick them. So that didn't even matter to me.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
His weight, size, what that nigga was saying, his flow,
his delivery, it was just different. It said, I felt
like you had you was always dominating your craft and
what you done. But I felt like when you discovered pun,
he even lit a new fire under you.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Oh yeah, he taught me how to run.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
All I was doing was reality rap, right, So I
never I never, and there's no disrestract.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I want nobody say disrestracted. But I'm gonna say, like,
save my brother French Montana.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
French ain't the most lyrical guy, but he he always
spit reality rap where everyone can fut nigga ain't scared
about nothing out and then people you know you love
him as a person that he makes hit records.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I always knew that about Fat Joe. I said, Yo,
they know when you had cousins, you had cousin. I mean, look,
they can lie all they want a cap or whatever.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
But if you had a cousin or you had a
man in that section of the Bronx and you say, yo,
what's up with this nigga, Fat Joe, they tell you, No,
them niggas, they giving it up, that you're out there
knock dumb.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
They put it down. So I knew I had that.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
It's almost like a young Gez effect when you like
this ship and then you went they was like, nah,
he that would be a meth I had that effect.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I knew that, But lyrical wise and.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
All that I knew I didn't have what it took
us to get to the promised land as Latinos. With
I met Big Pun, I dropped my whole career and
used every inch of juice I had to put him
on because I knew the man he was gonna be different,
he was gonna be incredible.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
And then Big Pun took me and taught me how.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
To rhyme like on a lyrical like don Cardagina, it's
the Donner rapsip and Carnigat hit you with the mad
clack clack slip winning Cardie.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I wasn't even rhyming like that, So I would you
know we lit when you think we lit? We in
the house ninety degrees.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
He wouldn't let me leave the house sweating bullets, and
he I cracked. You gotta get better cracked, You gotta
get better cracked, You gotta you gotta get nice. You
gotta get nice, Yo, don't be limited, let me do so.
This nigga put me in the school of Big Pun.
That's why when he.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Passed away and everybody was saying this over for Joe Crack.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I already knew this. Nigga taught me how to bake
the cake. He taught me how to make the heads
he took. He taught me so much. Ave me like
a write on the third record. On the third bar,
you talk about a female. On the eighth bar, you
talk about your new car, that this and this and that.
Always Joe by the twelfth bar, you telling him why

(36:19):
you killing niggas. How that nigga was breaking it down
to me like a science. So then you know, when
when I got to like do me, it was like,
oh shit, this nigga, Joe stepped the ship up. But
that was always Big Punt who taught me how to
get more lyricals. But him, he was on another planet.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I knew.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I grabbed to me at the time, Nas was the
best rapper. Cuji rap had just went from being the
best rapper handing it over the NAS and I grabbed
them both and I said, Yo, listen to my man.
And when that nigga punch started rapping nigga's heads.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Was like, yeah, I'm telling your man. Couji rappers like
word of month, word a month.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I knew right there, I say, Yo, Joe, spending your
life savings on this guy, because this guy's going to
take us to the Promised Land.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
And he did. He got us a big.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Bags out there, and then after that, you know, we
never turned back. But a fact he kicked the doors in,
you know, and there's not enough I could say about
him to this day.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
They ain't been a Latino rapper that could fuck with him.
It's twenty something years later.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I've been chasing him for I'm like Lebron chasing m Chase.
I've been chasing that every time I think I got
a hot record.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I looked just a point.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I'm like, with that being said now, Yet with that
being said there, who would you say your top five
Latino rappers are?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
There's only one. His name is Big Punk. You know
what I'm saying on five spot there? Okay, you know
I'll go real left. You know, I'll tell you who
he looked up to. We looked we looked up to
Siphreus Hill.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You know what I'm saying. That's latinos.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
And I would put Big Pitt Bull in that conversation too,
even though he makes records for the girls and the
parties with Pitt you know, was dead nice too, shout.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Out pit Bull. I remember he asked me to get
in around here video. Man, Now look where he at?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Insane to me, like this shit is crazy, Just a couple.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Of me, you know, Fat Joe.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
You know I'm I'm flying, buoyant and flashy. I'm a
show off. I was showing off in jail. I was
smelling like a million dollars, like nigga. I've been a
show off my whole life before I even had a dollar, right, So, uh,
I can't get it. Sometimes I watch the Latino websites

(38:38):
and they start mentioning like Latino rappers that.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Didn't amount to much or didn't.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Really either ever put out a hit or didn't and
you can't.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
That's like, no, no, no, I'm not saying leaving me
off that.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
You can't ask Arika Franklin to big up somebody using
auto to him. So when they're doing all this, they
come in my damn Joe, what you think about such
and such? The nigga was never hot.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
To me, to be honest with you, So I.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Really the best they got to do is not mention
their name or never got nothing to do true life.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I respected him as a gangster. You know, the way
he represented in the streets.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
He was a real nigga. You know, him and his crew.
They the closest thing to the Terror Squad. I'm just
keeping it real.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
You know. They're the closest thing to the Terror squad.
You know. But there's a couple of niggas.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You know that if it wasn't for the beatnuts, Big
Plum would have never blew up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
So the beat nuts are man. You know. I told you.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I always wanted to beat from them, but we had drama,
so I could have never got a beat.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Good niggas.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I had a story where I got into it with
the whole West Coast out here in Miami, the whole
West Coast. You know, I'm the only New York rapper
that ever got into physical.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Violence with the West Coast. I don't know how. You
don't know what I did and the way they formed
on me. They came. We was in Miami. The niggas
surrounded me. Had to be one hundred and fifty of
these niggas. Niggas just big niggas with brains.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
All that it was the whole when all that shit
was happening, and all out here.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Is one voice.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's me Big Pond, and the guy don't really fuck
with no more. He was dead right, So it's us
three and all I heard was somebody.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Go excuse me, excuse me, your pardon, excuse me, excuse me.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
And I look they open up. It's fucking Juju from
the beag Nuts cos in the middle of a hundred
f and be like, yo, got I'm here. I was like,
oh God, why.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Nigga's gonna kill us out here like that? We were,
you know, only safe. Only then the saftess at that
point was the cops came. And the cops just like
boom boom boom, and the Miami police don't play. So
they got the ship on me. They choked me and
they put me against the car and I'm.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Like, yo, it ain't even They be like, we know,
get the fuck out of these niggas about to kill you.
So we got up out of there. But you know,
we came back and you know, we all respect each other.
They know what's up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
That's one thing gotta love them about the West, my nigga.
Them niggas stick together. I don't give a fuck. You
would be at La riffing with somebody and go to
Seattle nigga like fuck you nigga.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I'm like, yo, you gotta love that, my nigga, Like
the whole coach stick together.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I don't give before you and seeing they ain't go
on the beach nigga like this, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Everybody heard up. I don't care when you think you think.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Jay ever caught Backlass for being so tight with Biggie
when all that East Coast, West Coast ninger.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, we yo.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I remember going to La before of the West Coast,
Like see, I got two versions of l A to me,
Like when I first went to l A, it was
like my first time going to London.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
We was u f fos to them women out there.
They loved us. Everywhere we went, the niggas loved us.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
And then after the two Pocket Biggie ship, it's like
death jam and the rock didn't play. We had to
have security everywhere we went, waiting outside the the hotel and.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
You still bump into the one year you got the
smoke bro every time in the West Coast.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
This is one time I remember.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm glad y'all you signed beef with niggas Man and
Steve Lobel and calling them out Richard, I got beef
with niggas. I'm staying in the valley. I'm staying in
I'm avoiding bumping into these niggas.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I got real beef mon on the mount of Steve
Obel knock on my hotel with the niggas I got.
I'm here. I'm like.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
The niggas out this gang banger till my room. My
nigga tried that this time. I got no beef for
nobody on the West Coast. Was like Joe, when you staying,
I said, no, Steve, I see you at this. You're
not bringing the gang bangers to my hotel room.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
It's not gonna happen. Yo. I gotta selle about l
A into them.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I got a story about crew up and threw specific
niggas you bump into.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Man time you go to l A, You're like, all right,
what's up? I got a story about l A like that.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I remember staying at the line Matage.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
That's what it was like back then, right there, Yo.
Therey loves just still yo. Listen.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Remember they had the fat Burger across the street and
this is when I wasn't even lick. And this was
the days when I used to be like, yo, why
do you get Come on man, Josh shining ainybody doing
their thing. I can't wait till I get my shine.
So we in fat burger, we ordering whatever. I come outside.
I'm talking to the girl from Death Jam down. I'm
so sorry I forgot her name. Were talking right there.

(44:02):
Niggas ran in the fat Burger. As we're standing in
the parking line front of the car. We watched mass
niggas run in the fat Burger in late everybody down
in the fat burger and I'm standing.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Lay you down or you in the parking lot. I
ain't have no jewels. No, no, it wasn't famous. I
wasn't lit.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
And this is one time when I thank God, like, yeah, nigga,
thank god that.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Album may now yet when he stopping to me in
New York, got a group of.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Niggas there was it's starting robbing everybody in the rap game.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Man, thank God. Well, thank God for them too, but
you know, because they know.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Man, the niggas used to be outside talking to me, yo, Joe,
what's up man?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
This? This?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
That, And had a nigga, cry baby all, be like
you excuse me, you come back with you. I'm standing
there with the biggest shit on it. You come back
with y'all say yo, when you crab it, I just
rob me. He'll say it rap his name. I'd be like,
you robbed. Oh yeah, he's just robbed them right now
across the street. But yo, fact, Joe, I love your
stories telling story.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I'd be like you. Niggas used to store everybody, rob everybody.
I'm standing there. Niggas ain't never tried me.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Niggas ain't they never they knew who to play with.
They'd be like, you crazy, Joe, You're so crazy. Niggas
is robbing everything moving telling me you crazy Joe.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I'm like, y'all, I don't know what to tell you,
my nigga. But yeah, there was a time man at
the time. Back then it was crazy and I was
at the time.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Nobody really wanted to get like police security around.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I don't know legit.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It was your crew against my best facts.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
You rolled around with security like that. Back then, you
was straight square bear. You was a square beer. But
let's get back on track a little bit. My g
twenty sixteen, all the way up dropped remy mother fresh
from the pen. That being your dog, you held her
Dawn put out an another number one smasher, my gene,

(46:03):
how was that?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Like? I know that had to be rejoiced for those
don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
It's below zero zero snowstorm of twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Six in New York. Oh yeah, right now.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
We couldn't get an airplane, so we shut in the paradise.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
We borrow cooling dre studio to do this. That's right
shot out. So it's right here what you're saying, I
go to jail, they take all my money. I'm there broke.
I don't know if you understand that.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's a nigga who has some ms in the bank,
then flew private and did everything he wanted to do,
and then they take all my money millions and millions
of dollars to where I only might have had if
I'm gonna keep it a.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Buck to you. They had me down to like three
hundred thousand, three hundred.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Thousand, and you might seem like something staring at ten million,
and they know you're like, yeah, that's called nothing. You
one fucking uh acl U.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
One split. So I'm like, you know what I'm used to,
you know, treating everybody.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
I'm used to getting money. So I remember I came
out of jail and I came up in the studio
and we just kept going to studio. This is around
the time all these little niggas in Miami. We got
green hair and red hair and the little pump stacks.
They shown this, they running this ship. So it used
to be a bunch of little niggas in here. And
they used to look at me go to the studio

(47:31):
and they dead ass. I could see it in their
face where they were like, why is this old nigga
wasting his time?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
They be like, yo, what up? Uncle? Back then, nigga,
what up? Unc oh? You what you're in the studio? Unk? Okay?
And them niggas doing all that other ship.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
And I remember sitting on the couch and I said,
one day, because I don't hate especially on young niggas,
I just I'm always wanted young niggas to get their
money that way.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
They involving my mother and father. But I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
One day one of them little niggas took the studio
hostage and said, yo, o G could I play you
three songs?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
This was vomited on wax. The worst ship you ever
heard in your life. I remember I grabbed.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Cool and Dre and not always I don't know Cool
and Dre and this over yo called Dre.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Please please go in there, called Dre. No no no
no no please, no no no no no no no.
I need to verify it right now, of this. And
let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I have never to this day hated on anything a
young nigga's doing. If he's positive and he's feeding people, know,
I don't give a fuck of his wack dope. I
don't even comment on it because I want them to
do good.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
But I had it.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Dre shut out, y'all. He said I stole his crew,
He stole my c's.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, yeah, y'all, his producers, okay, just told me he
couldn't get a beat up beat. He couldn't get no cooler.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
It was just wild beast, so he couldn't tap the frequency.
Now you do all this, it's cool. Another story. I've
never hated on young niggas in my life. One day,
I don't know if you remember writing that studio, I grabbed.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
You in Cool and I said something's got to give,
either me or death, and them niggas was blowing up.
They was paying They was paying for studio time a
million dollars more than me. He was like, Yo, joke
with that.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I said them or me, Yo, I don't want to
see another red hair, purple yellow nigga in my face. Listen,
I'm fighting. I'm fighting for my life. You know you
watch the football game that niggas is holding on to

(49:58):
the back of his shirt.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm fighting for my life. These niggas is murdering my energy,
like destroying my dnnate. I pull him over.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I forget because Drake cares about people. The nigga cool
started laughing, so I said, Yo, God, you never hated
on niggas in your life. I said, I'm not hating,
but I can't do it. Cool Cool, I told you
to I've never hated u.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Eife Rivera. I've discovered I had beef for fifty. He
came to me.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
And said, Yo, fifty woman to be his personal video.
I said, please get the money. I don't want none
of my guys doing bad. I want cooler Dre to
get the money.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
But I actually gave him the alternative right wing he said.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I said something got to give, yo, purple hand niggas.
Somebody gotta go. It's all you want to understand, Dre.
They're paying more than me. They this this that the
nigga cool start dying.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Laugh. But he said, Yo, woke this niggas they coming
back in the moore. It's over for the maca. We
were chew God.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I'm like, all right, fuck it. Then all the way
up came about another time.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Dre.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I'm gonna say, Dra, show your face because you like,
right now you the voice of guard and you ain't
even know what I mean. I hit I've never been
depressed in my life till I hit forty years old,
and I'm sitting in a big ass house, walls made
of marble, distant.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Times of fantastical, right, But I hit forty years old
and it did.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Something to me where I was just like, yo, I
never remember when we was younger, not us, but other
rappers used to say you forty in rapping, fuck you
this that was that shit.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
So when I hit forty, this is the only thing
I know.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I just told you, I left the drugs, jumped in
here like a pitbull grap This is the only game
I knew. So I'm hit forty I'm thinking this over niggase.
It never listened to Fat Joe again. Dre, come to
my house, he says, Man, Joe, man, you know my
wife called him to Yo, you's depressed, come in. So
he said, Yo, Joe man, you know Tina Turner ain't
have her number one hit till she was forty nine.

(52:05):
I was a TEENA Turning was like, yo, bro, she
ain't popped till she.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Was forty nine.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I was like, word Dre, And it just changed my
whole spirit because you know, all the way up, something
we're not talking about is probably.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
The only old nigga that ever put one out.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
The park at that point, like to this day, ain't
the old nigga port you can fake put one out
the parking act like you we're talking about some shit
that really is number one. That's a fact because a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Niggas is delusion and they you know, they they popping.
We get another round right after that. I made so
much money with another round. I was begging him to
stop sending money please.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Shit niggas was like another seventy four thousand this week
that all that another round ring.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Tone was disgusting, my nigga. That shit with another round.
But we did that right here too, damn classics.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And so it's like, you know, we just kept going, man,
thank God, Man, that's the way.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
God is great. And it was like and so that
and then I know what you're waiting for.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
No, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, that's just
because you brought up some things. He brought up some
ship in this interview that no one has ever talked
about publicly. And I didn't coach. I didn't go in
right right. So by now you know, you know, for
some reason, Rockefeller in Terrorce squad ain't getting a long cool.

(53:40):
I go to a basketball game, sit down becos. This
is why I shouted out Beca. Norri to this day
hates that I shouted out be on the all the
way up remix right.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
This is how it's happened. So I'm in elevators with
jay Z. He won't say hi, niggas was not talking
to me. Gambling in Atlantic City for hours straight.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Any nigga with me was winning one hundred thousand O
G one was into the next table. We wanted to
commit suicide because he didn't want jay Z to know, Yo,
I'm gambling with Fat Joe. But it was like another seven.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
An sick over there. This is something he was losing it, right,
So I go like this.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
So I go to the heat game, Becky, I said, Yo,
meet me after heat game. When I show up, I
sit there by myself and then the next seat it
ain't bet us, it's og Wan.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Me and O g Wan.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
We knew each other since the streets, but me and
talk in twenty years. He's beyond the lory, you nigga, right,
So I go like this, and we sit down and
there's something. You know, we love basketball too much, and
something happened when we start talking, and I'm just like, yeah, man,
you know that nigga whacking and you know, talking that ship.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Were talking cool?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
He left, all right, crack, all right, cool, first time
we talked to twenty years. Right about a month later,
I'm on first class in Atlantic on American Airlines and
his wife come and sit right next to me.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
That my sister to the Jeff right now. But she
sits next to me, right.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
So I turned around at O g One is like
two rows behind me, and I'm like, yo, sit with
your wife, bro.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
You know he's all right, crack.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
So he sits with her sitting in the city, still
front rope, still first class. When I said, and I
think that broke the ice because like two months after
that it was freezing.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It was all star in New York. Oh yeah, that brick.
That was one of the cold Yoe cold nigga.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
And so Mike Michael Jordan had a Jordan party and
I'll go up in there.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I'm dressed like a grizzy and I'm the cattle. Next
thing I know, some nigga jump on my head. When
I turned around. This is jay Z. He's like, your crap,
what's up, nigga? And I see these style. All the
niggas was like, huh.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
We could say Hi, I'm telling you hi, twenty years Hey.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
What's going on? So I'm saying, what's something. That's how
we all started to everybody breaking the eyes. Then fast
forward forward all the way up. You know. I told
the story.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Drake co signed it and commented when I said this
last time, Drake called me three times FaceTime, send me
the instrumental, Send me the instrumental. Fifty Cent was calling
the biggest niggas you've ever seen in your life. Was
calling to get on all the way up, which I
really could have used it, but the fact.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
That you brought jay Z to the table.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
You know, I called Nori because I knew nor that
day where I was at you, and I was like, Yo, Norri,
talk to Bleak because Bleak, you get in touch.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
With this nigga.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
I want him on a remix. They called back a
two minutes. Bleak was like, are you sure.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yo, yo my nigga? I was. I was. What was
that like when Norri called you? Because we never heard
your version. We hear nor Yo, my nigga.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I'm driving on the turnpike because I lived in Jermors
at this time, going home. So Norri like, Yo, Bleak,
what you're doing right now? I'm like, Noning, I'm driving
that nigga said, Yo, fat Joe want.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
To higher at you? I said what he said, Yeah,
fat Joe want to high at you? I said, all right.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I pulled over because now it's like I gotta hear
this undivided, like fat Joe want to talk to me? Like,
ain't no fucking way. So I spoke to you. You
was like, Yo, Bleak, you know what I mean? All
that bullshit?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Fuck that man. We tight ends niggas run the city.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
We should be getting money together all this and I'm like, nah,
you're right I and then you hung up and I'm
talking to Norri.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
So I'm like, Nori, is this ship real? Like Joe
really want to do this ship? Was that a fake
that Joe? Was that the real? That Jon? Yo?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
When I tell you I owe nor that ended, Yo,
I'll be in set with him.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I put him on the record, no bet guy, fuck you.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yeah, I'll be like, Yo, that I did me and
befid he y'all. He said that was my one favorite?

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Was it now? I ain't gonna lie in Oi, I
love you, Nigga shout out Norri, but ho. So I
didn't believe it. So I text Jay.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I'm like, Yo, you wouldn't believe who I just got
off the phone with. I was like, Yo, I just
spoke the fat Joe, So.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
You ain't no. Prior to that that, he jumped on
my back and we said what's up? I had no,
you ain't right? Listen right.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
So I'm like, yo, He's like, I'm calling you a
ten minutes. So he called me man, I'll pull over again.
He's like, what what'll talk about?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I'm like, ain't ship man? You know?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
He got the hottest record out, and he was telling
me that he wanted to get you on the remix
or whatever. He was like, were And this is when
I knew that I was little. I'm little bro, but
I wasn't little bro.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
No mover.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
He asks my opinion, nigga never gave a fuck a
bleak thought Nigga, like, Yo, what do you think I
should do? I said on Mimmy again, Now you gotta
do this, bro, because if we bring in this New
York shit together and we're going to show unity, it's
no bigger showcase of that then y'all two niggas piecing

(59:25):
it up and doing this record because niggas had beef
since before the beginning of time in your careers.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Truth Like.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Jay told me, don't put nobody on that. He was like, yo,
he didn't specifically, he didn't know who was asking.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I never told him no. I never told him no.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
No, Drake fifty whoever, and never told me that's my word.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
But I was like, y'all dudes want to get on
this record.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
He said, if you want it to be special, you
gotta be be you so that the people could see
me rocking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That was it. The next one that they saying I'm capping.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Is we got jay Z on our album Me and
Dre's album The Projects. We actually do you have a
verse on the phone, got direct Can we play?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Can we play? Two? Three? Boss? This appropriate places? Two?
Three bars? Oh? Ship here right? Because everybody said I
was capping. No, you know you ain't capped. Play three bars?
Can you please play three bars?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
There's a song we have on our album called Projects
that Jay jumped on that these niggas they want to
get the best scientifical nigga to mix the ship.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I'm telling you fuck it out, put it out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Let nobody fuck the vocals up. He was distant. Jay
was talking. It was all a who was It was
a crazy time and and he he talked some different
things and then let's see if we could play it.
And he called back like yo, everybody thinks like I

(01:01:05):
went too far, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
And and so we couldn't use it. But we had
it for like a week. Any other nigga would have
threw that ship out. So man, I was telling Drake,
throw that ship out, nigga, throw it out. We got
the vocals, let it go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
And he was telling jay Z was like, let it go,
Let it go, he said, put it out, and y'all dead.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
They wanted the no no, that's a flag on the play.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
But we didn't know it was gonna but they wanted
the illest nigga to mix it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
This this that yo? You know now Dre dubi or
should you play nah night? Did anyway? Right? You just
sitting on the table. Yeah, this is a mic. Damn.
It's like I'm talking to the fence. Don't play the
whole bird for Jimmy. I'm a billy out the project.

(01:02:00):
Don't forget loyalty to my death. Yo. If you hear me,
spend that verse. Ay coume you know what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
They say, you're right for me anyway, You might as
well listen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Listen they say, I'm cat. I love that it's on
your show. Listen out of here. They saying, all over
Yo's cat, Joe Lion. This is that, yo, bro. I
ain't got the lot of hands on the man. These
guys wanted the French Pierre ship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
That's how sounding got you be right, that's that should
sound good to me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
To hate it too long?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
And he was, he really was. He went off on
certain people show and then you know. I guess the
crew sat together and was like, yo, bro, come on,
you don't need that. You you the billionaire nigga, this, this, that,
and let's give it up for all being a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Your word up. A bee from the p A B
is insane? Can tell you something so hard for him? No, no, no,
we gotta do this because you brother, it's so hard him.
The type of backlash, the type of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Scrutiny, the type of bullshit for him just working hard
to get his money.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
It's like our own people throw too many shots at him. Fact.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
I don't be I sit back. I don't want to
jump out there and defend him every single time. But
I be like, you know, he got that shit. They
tell me that all the time. When the nigga diss me,
that don't deserve Fact Joe saying Yo, such and such
suck might dick my crew be like what with jay Z, Dude,
she ain't talking back to these niggas. I'd be like,
that's right, bro, you gotta remember like the reason why

(01:03:43):
you can't talk back or even respond because the lies
more entertaining than the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You know what I mean. Charlamagne says it every.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Morning the lives more entertaining than the truth. These people
don't want to hear the truth. They want to be
hear the lie, the lies, the it's the show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
It's what you know. People.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I don't know, but I don't know a sraight lot.
Like people get up in there and they'll say some
ship and you was dead. You're like, he's guys talking
about like yo, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
You know saying I'm like I said, I said all
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
If I've been there since I was thirteen years old
and I'm forty seven years old, there's nothing the nigga
could have done that I haven't saw or been involved in.
So what are we really talking about? You know what
I'm saying, Like I've been the rest five years. These
guys like this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Is I got it all laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
I grew up insane, now, this is what I'm trying
to say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I grew up the Project's project. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
My mother lived there forty years before I touched earth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
You can't tell me about free Cheese said, you need
done of that, like face to face.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Anything you want to name African cab drivers whatever you
want to name. You cannot tell Fat Joe about that, right,
So now to think of you, guys are no different.
I've been to Marshy projects.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
It's just like mine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
It's the same nigga built them, same architect. So now
I know where you had to go through to see
a man become a billionaire, like grow the grind.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
This to me is hieroglyphics.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
This is like if we in Egypt time, this guy
would have had a statue. I'm just keeping it real
with you, and I'm not you know, to the haters
out there, I'm not sucking the man off. I'm just
saying he deserves way more call it credit and respect
than really.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Because nowadays in this social media.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
What we gotta stop, what we gotta stop is anybody
coming out of up what's your name?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
And I worked with you before your ad Right, let's
just say I just asked him his name.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Hold up, I just asked him his name.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Ed, we can't have ed come out of the clear
blue sky and say, yo, tell you about Memphis bleak
this we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
So the same shit that niggas, I'm sorry, Yeah, the
same shit niggas keep it and keep going for every
time it's some new nigga come out of nowhere and
talking about yeah, I know this and that, I'm from
this and that, and then you go for yo, you've
seen this nigga. He's talking about the raper Johnny Duke.
This nigga is supposed to be the old g oh yo, Bro,

(01:06:29):
how many times we are falling for guys with no resume,
not talking hot shit about people and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
We believe in this shit and every single.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Time, yo, Yo, this nigga did twenty years and that
means nothing, and like that's a fact, that's not that's
not a trophy with Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Absolute certain niggas because they was real niggas. They did
what they did, they did twenty years, came home, got
legit jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I gotta respect them for that. But and I show
them love.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
But you know, you know niggas are inflexing like it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Man. Anyway, I just wanted to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
That's coming from my guys. I got from a guy
who've been watching y'all but my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
And that's you think about me how I feel, Bro.
I'm a nigga that's ready to bomb first on these niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
And I just know that if I even they can't.
It's not it's not what we do, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
So I even like I was talking to one of
my dogs and he was like, yo, bleak, we should bomb.
And I'm like, Yo, if we look at these niggas
as clowns, if we join the circus, what's making us
not clowns?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
What's the ship you be saying on me?

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
If you think of niggas something and then you do,
you get caught what you say, you say doing something,
You're the biggest dummy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, tell me this all the time. I got a
question for you. Yeah, I know you grew up with
Jaden longest.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Who in twenty twenty six is his best friend out
of the crew the immediately who do you think is
his best friend out of your crew twenty twenty six,
Who's the guy he'll really just sit down to talk
to or hang with. He's always somebody closer than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Who you think is tightest with him? In this era?

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
I don't think nobody gonna nobody can take Tatar spot.
Oh so you so Tantar is his best friend? You
think even at twenty twenty six, Yes, that's who you
started with. You know what I mean when you when
you ever, Sometimes we start with people and they don't
got the tightest at there you just saying they still

(01:08:52):
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, Tati, I believe Tatanow. And if it ain't Tata's
emery and if it ain't Marius O g Won.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Man, that's a time hit. Well that's just cool an.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, that's a top three squad job.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, I see I come through with the Exotic dogs
and ship his face brand.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Do that na like baby face stressed out? Yo, that's
one nigga. No, he's not stressed out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I wish I could get an interview with him. He'll
never come sit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Down, he'll do it. No, he won't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
You know, I had never doing my ship and Jay
hit him up, was like, bro, you better never get
on that fucking podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Wam was doing it. I'm telling you, just walking in
always like, Yo, you're crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
You're gonna be talking about some wild ship you ain't
supposed to be talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
That's why. Now that's real talk. Yeah, that's why. It's questions.
I want to know, But I'm even scared to ask.
You got him there, you ask him, but he gotta
want to do it. But my thing is Joe. Now,
let's go back to you, my geam.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
You killed it in music media, you and Joe, You
and Jada are killing it with the Joe and Jada Pard.
I gotta give you all, y'all props to that. Y'all
just won the number one Podcast Award two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
You know what I mean? That's love for that man.
You know what I mean? What the Coca Vision? You
had everything? What made you decide to step into this
space like full fledged? Well you you hit it on
the head. I had the little uh little podcast was
called Coca Vision shout out to He teamed up on me.

(01:10:40):
We had that ship on title yep.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
And and then it went into the I G Live
When When when covid is going to beat?

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I'm on I G.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
I make a whole TV show on my Instagram with
I got Floyd Mayweather, Mike Tyson, I got everybody, and
they mother on named Michelle Obama's laughing the comments right
so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I got that going.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Then I wound up getting this show with stars shout
out to stars. But it was you know, the time
had moved into the podcast area where people wanted their
information like this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
You know, you can't shoot an interview and drop it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Two months later, it's stale ship the whole world and moved.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
So when I said to myself, I said, you know,
somebody came to us and said, yo, somebody from about
the nation came to us and said, yo, you and
Jada would be dope with its sports. We pitched it
to somebody. I don't know who we pitched it too,
but they gotta be mad. Whoever they fronted on us.
It was like, all right, and then some more time
happened and then.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
I don't remember and value all right, just leave it there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
So Valume comes up to us and says, yo, we
want to do it, And I knew it was gonna
be because the thing is, you gotta understan. Hip hop's
only fifty one years old, right right, and so we're
growing as a genre and we need comment It grew
to the point of where we're commentating, so it's like

(01:12:13):
Shaquille O'Neill, Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, Ernie is like, they
want to hear from guys who really been through it,
played the game. So we had guys running the podcast
game that wasn't really qualified to me on that level.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It takes a lot for me to qualify you to
be to straight up look look at.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Legendary rappers and the biggest rappers in the game and
be like, Yo, thisy shit is trash. I heard it
the Skips and I'm like, yo, like where is this happen?
Like I'm looking at niggas unqualified commented you doing this
and I'm like, yo, you know why they fucking the
game up?

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
We need some guys. And then you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
He ain't selling his authentic authenticity for nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
So he top five dead or live or you know,
the chemistry. It was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Richer than everybody because he's one nigga that's known for
never spit one whack verse in his life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
That's a fact show. It's like, you know, I got
my partner there and he made fun of me and
he do his little shit ship.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Niggas love it something. Finally somebody can stop Joe or
talk some ship or talk some sentence to him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
I ain't gonna lie to Joe and Jada podcast. I
hated all your niggas, man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
I had to come get my get back because I'm
looking at that podcast and I'm like, these niggas in
my headquarters. Let me see if I get in, my
key card don't work. So it's like, wait a minute,
Joe took my team. I gotta co I gotta I
need to get back. I came down in store cooling, Drake.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Let me tell you something something you're not realizing. It's
our team. That's a fact you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
I'm just fucking with you, man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Front line for the Rock nigga don't get that. And
you know what I know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
And I said, I'm done with the Rock. I meant it,
and I'm one of the most lower niggas in the world.
And I told him, I said, yo, listen, man, you
niggas help me feed my family.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Y'all got a lawyer one, so you know, with.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
All the things jay Z did billions and all that,
he definitely pushed the chest piece of set. Remember one
big point said yo, I got that army. He said, yo,
I got that army. Jay Z went like this, and
the industry said, what them niggas is tight like that now?

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
And they and they family like that. It was bad
news for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
You gotta understand, man, it's the honor to sit with
y'all and Rock and you know, I never had a
better time than being with rock relation Man because the
He's got my back, Warner's family, Jay's family, the whole
Whu's family.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
So that's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
The podcast business, right, it's really not easy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
So everybody and their mother.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
My man Rich the barber, we had his grandmother's funeral,
Jewish funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
When the lady come up to me, Verner what's her name.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Rna Murna or Verner Murder tells me, ain't fat, Joe,
you've seen my podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I said, huh, she said I'd be in my house.
I'm eighty one years old. What you can learn from
a Jewish lady. I'm just trying to tell you. Everybody
and their mother got a podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
So how did you shine through all that? Right now?
That shit is just so cluttered and all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I felt like we might have lost the hey Day,
you know, because you know, dream Chance was sitting pretty,
they had that lane, nobody was fucking with it. Then
you got Joe Buden and theumb was killing two. And
then you got some other ones. Well always got to
say Elliott and be do They pretty much started this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Your man, The guys in jail forever. What's his name? Tax?
No man free tax here in jail. He's coming out. No,
I don't wish him that. How many years he got
I don't know, man. I think he got like like
fifteen to a doug. Oh No, he's coming home. Yeah,
So like that man again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Man, he'll be about I got love for test something
he got old.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
No, I got love attest. So I thought he had
like thirty forty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Man, my dog man he got he's going on the
up pill her bless him. I'm just trying to tell
you those guys, my man with the one eye what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
What was his name?

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
And the other guy that just said the nigga died,
the nigga that got the dead eye.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
I don't know what about that taxed some time it
was on many.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
O oh, oh, you're talking about cat that what come
home back? Jack and his man with the you know
they was doing that, but you set it off.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
They've like come kind of the pioneers of the ship.
You know how ship is like a sitcom.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You come up in there and it ain't just a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
We make that ship like you and the Honeymoon.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
This nigga you in the odd couple you and and
Living Color. We having a ball. We having a great time.
We don't have a problem having a great time. We
literally if we look like me and Jada's having fun.
We having fun and we're getting paid to have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
That's right to talk shit. And you know, coming from
the Projects, I know we've been leaning a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Even the song by the Way I played you with
jay Z versus call the Projects is we used.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
To snap to six in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Fat bitches snot nose everybody, and niggas be killing your moms,
your pops, your mother, yabber joy, nigga is violating your friends?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Was the most I never got mad.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
I never got mad. I always felt like, oh shit,
he got one. Then I'll come back and talk about
his mom.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Just possible.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
But that's what we're doing here with these podcasts. Were
just sitting here talking ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
That's a fact, and being entertaining and me like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I felt like me I started this because I get
to sit with legends like you and find out information
and things that I never knew, like this next question
to me, I always felt like growing up, I don't
want to say fat big niggas, biggie pun you fucking
heavy D recipes, Chubb rock y'all niggas was flying. Niggas

(01:18:48):
knew how to put that ship on, Like but you
wanted the flyest niggas my nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I just think I lasted longer, so you know, go
for me. A lot of people, a lot of people
passed away and they couldn't keep doing what I'm doing.
So you know, I make a great living and I've
been around the long time, so I've been able to
elevate where it's boultaga.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Shit, is this his dad is fly?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Shit?

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Niggas don't know what I'm wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
But I come up from an era eighties where you
go on any block in New York City and niggas
we dip Fresh Gucie down fucking Louis down in the
middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
So I love that. And there would not be no
Fat Joe. I wouldn't be fly. But it wasn't for
heavy D. Heavy D made me confident, so I always as.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
A fat dude rapped to the baddest chicken the club,
the baddest chicken around the way, whatever, Like I'm just
wrapping the girls that it made no sense Black Chinese girls.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
This this that my wife Columbia disc.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I had no business being a fat nigga like this
rapping to them. My confidence was always through the moon
and that that was because a brother like Heavy D.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Let me know the overweight lovers in the house all
the way. You know the picture I love.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
I don't know if they were dating, but the picture
I love the most is Heavy D holding hands with
me along. I put it up once a year. I
throw it up on my eyes jinkins. That inspired me.
Fly fat guy walking through with the baddest That's what
I was about. You know what I'm saying, and show
it's like you know the fly ship, you know, and
then we also, you know, we apply the pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Thank god, guys like Hove is so rich. He let
me have that. I went over there and the other
day I was in the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
I had a half a million dollar watch on and
he was like, Yo, George, just capt this ship one
point five today. It's the only one in the northeast.
I look at the nigga, I was like, Yo, this ship.
I don't even and even that or I'm not even surprised.
He told me it was forty million, yo, Like I
don't even like I just talking a lot of you.

(01:21:02):
I'm dumb, like I'm dumb, I beg if I caught
money like that, I'll be dumb like dumber.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Now you see how big this yard is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
I would have came in a pink helicopter for this interview.
I had your niggas feel me on the diamonds out
the window.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I'm I don't know how whole restrained from going crazy,
because if I was in his shoes too, I'll be
doing some dumb richie rich I got to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
I show up and yankes to save him, performing the
helicopter throwing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Real dinies out the bitch like I'm dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I can't do what he Dodd said, that's why you're
never going to be a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
I said, your dad. She said, you're crazy, man.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
I said, you like I will blow it yo all
that and be smiling.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
You know he he don't got Every time I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Called him to donate to the people, one second follow
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Let me tell you some half a million dollar wire
in five minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Joe was just real, you're really helping these people the desert.
Call me, Joe, She'll tell him. Now I'm behind it
or whatever. Half a million coming for the people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
That's a fact. A second me the nons.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Too, because he's not love everything that Na's doing. I'm
in the Hip Hop Museum in the Bronx, and I
gotta get old there so he can Nah, gotta get
him there there on my ass. Did is at Rocky
but I'm at an event and Noa's just like, Yo,
million dollars donation to the museum, right, And I'm like wow,
and it ain't turned a right and said, a matter

(01:22:40):
of fact, two million to the hip.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Now I'm sitting there not too rich man. What's wrong
with these guys? But that's spiration. I'm sitting there like that.
I said, y'all just wired, matter of fact, just like that,
matter of fact too. He didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
I don't know if it was he practiced the script
or he did it, but that nigga did it like that, Yo,
million dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
This my ge, No what I was sitting over here.
I think it's two sent too, like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
YO, talking about like stuff like that, like whole. I
remember my first time out here in Miami with him
in the de Lino.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
We ad the pool. Matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
We wasn't even at the pool we was upstairs on
the back. He had the big ass pairhouse or the
terrets were up there drinking. Everybody chilling, and the owner
I believe of Calvin Klein, was at the pool bar
and he sent the bottle up the j Room Like
found out that's Jay Room sent the bottle. So like
nigga think he gonna send me a bottle. He sent
him two bodies. Homie sent three bottles. No, yeah, he

(01:23:45):
sent them four bottles. Homie sent five bottles. Who bought
the whole bar?

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Everything on you y'all have anybody in the hotel? Fact,
look at me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
So I'm like, yo, what's he said? Man, I'm never
let no nigga buy you no drink. They ain't stunting
on me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
I'll buy you a drink like oh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Ship Affer, know what I knowing, know what I be doing.
I don't think I ever took a drink your dream.
I'm like, man, no, no, I don't even drink bro
like you. Noah, I think that's true though, hell like
I live.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I'll take a meal.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Just all of the night I was treating my niggas
we take a meal. Say my man's got you down
from London, Julius.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
He was over there with his family. We family.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
They said, Yo, Scott paid for the meal, Dason, Thank god, I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Was gonna pay the fifteen. I see you sucked out.
I'll take the meal. That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Nor's not cheat all the time with your sister. H
It's some guys that you know, they good, you know
they they pay meals.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I hate them. I'll take you that well and be like, Yo,
you had this. You you can't hang with me. You
on that. I've been treating niggas some twelve years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
That's what I'm saying. Bills over here, I be treating dudes.
You twelve years old Chinese restaurant, fifteen of us I'm paying.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
That's a bad.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
In fact, I was just yo, you're rich rich the
barber now I wish, I wish he's definitely not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
A bar but no more. But you're rich. Oh shit, no, no, no,
you're rich. I was just talking about my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
She had dinner with women that got one hundred times
more money than her.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
But she'll pay the bill every time. Yo, I got it.
I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
My daughter do the sit like we come from, Yo,
we got it. Like we're not letting nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
In fact, if you treat me to a meal, feel blessed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
So that I took the meal, and I just said,
all right, fuck it, I let you treat me to
the mill.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
But liking and all that, I never know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I learned a lot fucking with hoving them. But let's
get back to the legacy of Fat Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
When man, we almost sober methods.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
I gotta work, So let's just give me like one
of two real goods.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Oh love, my god, that's how you know. That's how
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Niggas getting too much money to is a essence. Give
them another red bull, no sugar, nah my geez. So listen,
I was about to wrap it up anyway. When people
say the name Fat Joe, what you want them to be?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
The first thing I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Man, good brother took care of the hood, took care
of the people, our own businesses in the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I never ran away.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
I got single parent mothers who bought their first home
because I gave them a job. I got a little
classroom inside my store, and the Bronx crossed the street
from the project, and after school we.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Teach kids computer literacy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Anytime I can, I give back, whether is food, whether
it's money, whether it's this, whether it's computers, whether it's this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
This, this is my whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
I've been trying to make the people because we could
talk all we wanted and take credit, but there's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
People who push us through.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
That's a fact. It's guys. Let me tell you something.
I grew up with some foul dudes. And one day
I'm in turch of Cacos. I'm with my stylist to
well to relish in the pool, and I said, yo, man, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Grew up because I did grow up with some foul niggas.
You know what he said. They didn't kill you in
the lobby, could have killed you, Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
And when he told me that, I've thought about it
about that in several different sessions. It said to myself,
these niggas could because I'm wild. That's right, that Joe
talking to niggas like I can't give a fuck. I'll
smack your cheek off.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Nigga, I don't this this this this like yo.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
They could have just said fuck it, I'm killing him.
I just saw some shit on Instagram that I was telling.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Nowadays, you can't believe nothing. Everything's a out. But I
see one nigga, hold off.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Everything's everything, everything's they I'm watching lions kill Pitt Bulles
biss like, Yo, that's a exactly. I don't even know
what I don't know what's real, yo, So I go
like this, but I've seen some ship. Nigga told a dude, Yo,
I'm like that, stud tell a dude you, I'm like that.
I'm telling you, I'm like that. The other dude is like, no,

(01:28:23):
I'm telling you. I'm like that. I'm gainst the nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
He was like, yo, bro, you know what this dude smacks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Both thought that Nigga came back to say by shot
him dead in his face in the middle of the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
I guess they both was like that, right, but this
guy had to handle He was.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Like that, like that Jesus rise Jo.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
You know woa yo.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
You know how many guys could have did that to me,
so thank god you didn't. That's why I keep moving
back to the community. And then you know what makes
me happy is you know, everythank's giving. We feed thousands
and thousands of families. But what I'm saying is we
give them a turkey, rice, give them shup, give them
gravy and mash the whole company, right, And so one

(01:29:17):
year the news was out there and they interviewed the
people online and these people ain't buying sneakers from us,
These people doing bad for you to wait online. You
ain't the guy buying the three hundred dollars joins fact,
you know. And while they're asking them, the people said,
he'll never forget us. He's for me here, he loves us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
But what about Fat Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
He'll never forget us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
That means that that's pricelessness. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
So when you say fat Joe and then whatever else
you could say, whatever, you know, I stood up a
real dude. You know, I never told on niggas. I've
always been a real dude. I always been there for
my friends, to my brothers. You know what I'm saying.
And so that's what I want to be known as
as Fat Joe. You know, the music and all that great.
I love music. I've been putting them out the park.

(01:30:06):
I'm blessed. But you know, I gave my life to
hip hop. So my family took a second seat. I'm
talking about my mother, my father, my wife, my kids.
They took a second seat to hip hop. You know,
when it was mother's day, I'd be performing for other
people's mother.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
When it's just bro.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
So I did this for hip hop, for the coach
I gave my life.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Your family suffered to hip hop. Your family suffers. You know.
It ain't nice when you got your kids saying please, Dad,
like where you going this birthday? I want you to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
And you out there performing because you want to make
never You know, when they took all my money in taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
I used to stab my daughter sleep and they.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Used to let your God please. I didn't bring her
here so she could be broke ease. I used to
watch my daughter breathe and sleep and be like, God,
don't let this happen. Me like, let me you know,
get that money, man. I want to make sure she
lives the best life she can.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Lickt right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
So that's why I'm always working NonStop because I want
to make sure my family's happy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
That's a fact. Man. I appreciate you for pulling up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
You've always been silid one of my guys, and now
we bros.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
It's rocking ts for Leon. Shout out my man, big
mind of all Big Mind. You started with him. You
might have left them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Jay Z's nephew, the big guy in office.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
He was doing your podcast. At first that was his podcast.
I thug and then they clipped me, so I went
off solo. I was to be honest. I had your makons.
I had Jamaicans in my projects.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
And every time I walked out and go big mind
of all, big mind. You known, So every time I
see my man, I'd be like, yo, big mind of all,
big man. That's a right shout out to sist mom.
And she let us be run that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
You know, moms. Nobody show moms running whole. Nobody gonna
take care of they brother ship more than this sister.
Oh that's a fact. It don't happen. So she allows
us to have a great space there. You know what
I'm saying. But it's an honor. Brois your honor man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
God, and you know we do save my fear. But
Joe got to send that bidle of San Rosa over
to us.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
I don't want to rik your mom, so I mean smile.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
So Resa need something for Puerto Rico puppy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Listen, look, I'm trying to learn Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
I need a tutor. Highlight me. You know what it is?
Rock solid, baby, t s for Life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
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