August 4, 2026 • 39 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Remy Ma — From her early days under the mentorship of Big Pun and her rise through Terror Squad to becoming one of the most celebrated female MCs in the game, Remy reflects on the defining moments of her career, the sacrifices behind the success, and the challenges she faced both inside and outside the music industry. She opens up about balancing motherhood, marriage, business, and maintaining her place in a constantly evolving culture while never compromising who she is.
Bleek and Remy also dive into the competitive spirit of hip hop, the importance of authenticity, and why respect is earned—not given. Along the way, they share hilarious behind-the-scenes stories, discuss the evolution of New York rap, and revisit unforgettable moments that helped shape the culture.
Raw, honest, and full of gems, this episode is a celebration of resilience, confidence, and staying true to your roots.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the
Black Effect Network and partnership with my guys over at
Drink Champs.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, y'all, you already know what it is.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yours truly back with another exclusive episode of rock Solid Podcasts.
And this one is special because I just want to
make it be known. I'm a fan first of this female.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
She's a spinner.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
She really in a lot of you niggas straight from
the BX hold it down. And she's the first female
on Rock Solid. And with that being said, I got
a nice Doucet Bodle Jay thirty five just so she
put it on the mantle piece.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's exactly where it's going. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I would I would have been like, you know something.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, ain't too many women in this business that
I reached out to to talk to you. I came
up with you, we came up together. I stay here
her records and be like, fuck, get me some the
hell is she out there doing?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So I want to know the story of rim.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So my first question is I want you to take
us back to what the environment was that shaped you
to the woman we know today.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh man, I tried to explain to people all the
time like that that ever that I came up.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In, like it's dope.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I love with social media is providing for people and
the different you know lanes that is opening. But you know,
I came up in it ever where, like you really
had to be nice, that's right, because there was no TikTok,
there was no Instagram, there was no snapchat like some
of these people. But like people like they crap, but
they liked them as a person, Like there was no
(02:04):
real avenue to display your personality.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And people weren't even trying to listen to.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
You, like you get two bars in they didn't like
your first two bars salmon.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I grew up absolutely, that's a perfect eximpt the salmon
in real life though, Like everybody wanted to be the
real life Sammon, like two bars and they don't like it.
You're out of here done. And it wasn't. It wasn't
a lot of females like like how it is now.
There was a select and everybody was that you had
the New York girls, you had like you know, the
(02:39):
the Kims and and live from Jersey and Light and
things like that. That's when I was growing up before
I'm like when I'm still ramming a hood. But then
there's me Eggs and Gangster Ball and they was in
the South, and then they had Rage and the Boss
(03:01):
and they was in Cali. And then you had Brad
and them from Chicago. So it was like it was
like very regional when I was coming up. I feel
like nowadays the regions don't matter as much as they
used to. Like then, like you know, people like, oh,
she's from Atlanta, she's from Miami, but it's not regional
like it was, you know, coming up. So I just
felt like you had a little bit more pressure to
(03:22):
be good. You had a lot of pressure to be good,
and they didn't care if you was a girl Like
you wasn't getting no points because you look.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
A look at all the names you name. Everybody you
named top tear spinners.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Like that's that's what was going on, Like that's what
was and and not only was.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It a regional thing.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
They was not getting points because you was a girl,
like they already expect because you were female, they already
expect you're gonna be trash.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's a fact.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
So if you're not trash, you better be not just good,
you better be great.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So it wasn't like you rock.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
What was it like?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
What was the grind like before Terror Squad, before Joe
rest in Peace Pun, one of the greatest spinners out
of New York, before Pun discovered you?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What was the grind like? For real?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm not even gonna lie like, I wasn't trying to
be a rapper.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You kidding me.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I wasn't trying to be a rapper like I had
been around people that was doing the talent show thing
and doing you know, running down on niggas.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I can rats, that's right, That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So that's the most annoying thing to me. And I
wasn't even an art.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I was like, I'm never running up on somebody like, yo,
this is rap real quick, Like I was never ever
doing that. That was never my about, Like it was
never happening. I knew I could rap because I was
hanging out with all the gangsters and all the good
money niggas. They would take me to different neighborhoods and
hop out like like I was like the secret weapon.
They would be putting up bread for people to batter.
(04:53):
Then they think because I'm a girl like girl like herself,
and I should really just being from hood to hood
hopping out, smoking my head all the and since or
they was paying me in Vincent's jan Sports Airmax, I just.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Heard somebody else told me they used to battle for jackets.
I'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's that's all.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
It was like, they're like, you know what I mean,
here go go grab the new Airmax that came up
some non fives or couick some nine sevens.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But I was. I was a super tomboy.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
And I grew up. I had a older brother and
a younger brother. My brother used to raph. I used
to make poems like in school. I used to do poetry.
I used to be in school. I was like a
nerd in school. I won all the spelling bees I wanted.
Used to have something called the storytelling contests. We used
to have to memorize a book from the first page
to the end, and judges would sit like on the
panel and.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Have the book while you read it on stage.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Like I used to into stuff like that all the
science fairs.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Like that was my thing in school.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So when my brother used to come home and wrap
like I would take my poetry book and try to
find ones that that that to naturally and like put
over beating.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And at some point.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I stopped writing poems and just had a book of rms,
as they say, poetry and head like, I don't even
know the last time I wrote a poem upon it
has been years. I do it every now and then.
I just pop up and just had something in the files.
But it's not like it.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Was that'll be fire ram poem.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Poetry because you can just say and it could be
for children too, you know, come on.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Say, I wasn't thinking about when that was for children.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yo, you gotta b side.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Definitely, I was not thinking that at all. I don't
think anybody else like poetry like that.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
At what point did you start taking raps serious if
you thought you didn't want to do this?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So here's the thing, right, It wasn't that I thought
I didn't want to do it. I didn't think it
was real. Like I knew I was trying to get money,
like I wasn't trying to be broke. I wasn't trying
to be like I used to remember sitting down like
talking to my friends like, Yo, everybody look at all
these bitches, like Mindrew, he's just tripping like twenty seven twenty.
I'm looking at all these old bitches. That's why I
used saying, I know when you in your teenage, you
think it's twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Everybody old bitches.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
They you know, they parents, their grandparents pass away, then
they take over the apartment and then they raise their
kids in the projects. Like it's just like just they
keep passing the lease over in the projects and like
ye oh, I'm like, that's not gonna be me.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Man, I gotta get to it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
And that's what I was doing, like I was selling
anything anything like everything we e pills cold like it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But a lot of people don't know too that New
York women crime just like the men if not.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Hard us like what it was.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I'm like, yo, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be broke.
So to answer your question, when did I like start
taking it serious?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Problem with that?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Joe kicked me off the tour bus because you caught
me selling e pills to somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yo, you is like number one everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Naught did I just I just see you make a sale.
I'm like, what what you mean?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I can see right now? Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Like did I did? I get back on the buzz?
I'm like what happened?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Like don't don't fucking play with me? Like, Yo, did
I just see you make a sale?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Were in Manhattan, I'm on the tour bus.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I'm like, yo, I'm only here, were about to drive
we leave you better come now?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And that money? Yo?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He like, are you fucking serious?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
We got the fucking number one song in the fucking
world and you're selling drugs or techniques, not drugs and spells,
like like drugs seems very like extreme, Like I've.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Definitely back then that was like the normal that I
have it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
It's not drugs per se. But I'm like, I don't
know where it's gone go, like and when I'm gonna
do with it. I had it still left over for
before that song started popping. I gotta get word up.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's all bus for like a day or tomb It's like,
you're fucking crazy. You let me obviously come back. But
I think that's when I was like, I said, listen,
fuck it, take a serious.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
This shit don't work.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Makeure you buying my next pack you all, Like I'm
telling you right now, just don't pay it out with.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Being said like joining terror squad one of the biggest
movements in New York City. That's undeniable. Joe been killing shit.
Pun was that, like I said, one of the nicest.
And for you to be the female next to them
too great. What's some of the key what what's one
of the key gyms? You would say you learned from both.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Of them then or now now? It's different.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I have so much think I learned from both of them,
even things that Pun told me twenty years ago that
literally just started to make sense now.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yo, That's how I feel about certain shit. Jay used
to say. When I was a shorty, I used to
be like whatever, but.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Today it's like, oh, I used to I was like
how they say I was a girl. I was a
knuck go ahead, like for real, like bad, like my
mom used to be. Like from my mom and my girdfa.
They used to call me neck down, like from the
neck up.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm a girl from here down.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Just that I said, like that was they judge me
like neck down, Yo, sh she's a nigga. But I
think I remember I used to just be so mad
because I had it in my mind of what I
was gonna do. I used to talk to my friends like, yo,
when I'm making so so ignorant, I'm gonna get it,
just like I'm gonna get a shopping cart like shopping
(10:30):
cars used to take to the SuperM. I'm gona have
a shopping cart fullow weed.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Then I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'm gonna take everybody shopping, get everybody changed, everybody like
this is the mentality that you think. Then the ship
starts happening and shit start moving. You'd be like, hold on, okay,
twenty change for twenty niggas. None of these niggas don't
write no wraps. These niggas don't got no skills.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
They don't build.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, they don't even know.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
How to dance.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I can't make a backup dancing. These niggas can't do nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I said.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You go to the restaurant and you get the tab
like you go on a plan. You get the tab.
You're the hotel. You get a tab like it starts
adding nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You realize that the.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Plans that you have for your friends before we not
even talking about what you get to your family like,
because your aunts and uncles and cousins like they they come.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Too, so it's like a package.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And you got your media family, your sisters, your brothers
like that feel like they're enttitles to shit. Then you
got the cousins the shit that you grow up they
feel like they and then you got your friends that
was there with you while you was on your rime. Right,
So I used to be like, I remember when I
first got there. I used to talk to him. I's
to be like, yo, people used to be saying shit
to me. I was like, yeah, Joe, you're wrong because
you're supposed to be doing this and you're supposed to
(11:41):
make And then.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Then you get in that position you be like, oh,
you're right.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It doesn't make sense for me to be taken care
of grown as men that don't do nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
And he used to tell me.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I just to be like, yo, what about all your
friends that like you grew up with where they at
your date ones? And He's like, yo, I'm you. You
can love them, but you gotta love them from as.
You have to associate people with the same ideas that
you have. You have to associate people with that have
what you have who are more than what you have,
because if not, you're gonna stand the reg that's right staying.
(12:21):
And I used to just be so mad, and so
it's like, nah, that's that's just what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Fast forward twenty years.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
When I see certain like like new artists coming, you
see that with this big charges, just be like, let's
see how long this lasts, right, I'll be.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Saying last I tell everybody I started out one hundred deep,
four of us.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And it's not even because you can't do it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
It's because they really it's.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No use for it, no purpose.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You start having motherfuckers with you, they don't got nothing
to lose.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They start doing ship.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's sucking up ship because now the promoters is looking
like I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
People it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Or they start doing shit to people because they still
got that hood mentality and the falls on you. Like
a lot of those things. I was told at a
young age because when I got with the squad, pumb
was already double platinum. Joe was already like you know,
becoming who he was. And I just didn't under say
I was too young. I was a teenager. I didn't
(13:20):
I thought somebody twenty eight was a grandmaha, like it
was a grandpa over there twenty eight, Like when I
realized that Joe wasn't as much older than me than
I thought, because he got me about like eleven twelvey
or something like that. But when you're seventeen, eighteen, twenty twenty,
just like they super older.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yea, he turned twenty eight and they only thirty seven,
like thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Like wait a minute, be close to tell you what
to do now?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
No, no, yeah, he's still be blessing men. I'm not
gonna lie. He messed me around the other Davies at
the concerts, like where you was just saying, I'm like
walking around?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Who said you go walking around me? My legs like
I don't know, like my legs wanted to see who
was in here. I moved around.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I didn't know I needed permission, But I'm back if
it means anything.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yo records like you got too many? Real, you got
too many? First, Let's start with my daughter favorite record.
We did a show in New Jersey. She had no
clue who you were. You perform, put your left hand up,
put your right whatever. That record has not cut off
(14:36):
in my household. Sers so you still and you know,
inspiring the youth. You got Anny up verse of the century,
fuck versus the year, versus the century.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Then lean back takes off. What was all of that feeling?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like? Was it a surreal feeling or did you know
like I'm lit out here the world they checking for I.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Told you I was still selling drugs like you. No,
I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I'm gonna be totally honest, like, I didn't know how
popular and how famous I was until I caught my
case and it was handled it like John Guy.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I'm like on the cover of the Daily.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
News like they did.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Bragging it like I'm like literal me from Castle Hill
all this.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But I think that's what's sad.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
It took something of that magnitude, something that literally could
be career and then for most artists, no, boy, the
grace of God, I was able to come back from that.
But you know, it took that for me to realize
because I was me, And I think a lot of
artists that that are too real, they fall into that
because I never I never had to turn into remy Ma.
(15:52):
I never had to be like, Okay, I gotta go
do this interview with Blake. Let me put on my
remy out like I was. I was always popular. Some
people that you know, they get into the industry and
they become popular, and they have this preconceived notion of
what popular people should act like and how they should
move and whatever. The fact I was always popular before
the wraps, like in the everihood. I lived in it.
(16:14):
Every school I went in like I was popular. So
when I got famous, it was just like the same
thing I was always doing, just.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
On a bigger scale for me.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
And I just always carried like even now, sometimes I
have to sit down and talk to people, like listen,
I could act regular.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I can.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I can be regular. You can't treat me like I'm regular.
That's right, because that's what happens and what I realized
you you'd be like yo, I pull up in the
hood real quick, I hop out going to the store.
I like try to mingle with people that I grew
up with. When you get to a certain level, you
really can't do that because for so many reasons, but.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
For so many we both know. But that's how I
was carrying. That's how I used to move.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Like niggas be like yo, man, we got a barbecue,
all right, I'm pulling up. I'm not calling myself curity
because I'm gonna who's gonna do something to me?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Like that's how I really used to feel, like do
something that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Studio exactly like I'm praying that they touch me today.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm pissed off anyway, those.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
That type of mentality growing up and growing up here
because a lot of people don't understand, like, you know,
it's not just a culture, it's a mond state that
you have growing up here.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You gotta move a certain way, you gotta be once you.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Know, like I'm good everywhere I go, Like I've never
been in no hood where I felt like, oh my god,
that's right. I've never felt like that ever.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And then you're gonna keep you gonna carry that wherever
you go.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And what happened is we were in an error that
was changing to where all that round Nigga ship and
this that was that people people's really looking at me
like I look like I know she's gonna do something
I know, and they're willing to take the punch in
the face.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
They will willing to take it.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Like I done paid so many people, like like literally, I've.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Been sued for somebody else doing so absolutely, and they
literally I walk out the club and they said it
was him.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I looked at the guy like, bro, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It wasn't me.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Like I've had that. I've had. Not only have I
had that, I've had the rest. I always get a rest.
Like I feel like I would be the one that
out of everything that happened, I'd be like.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yo, today gonna be a good day. You got cheers gun.
Every time I go to jail.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Every time, yo, are you like burn your outfit you
go to jail with.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I don't even walk in my house right, I burned that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Look at it. It's a bad look.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I am nikked outside immediately. I don't even want to
open my threshold, yo. But but that's I feel like
that always happens to me. I'm like, yo, once I
realized I'm not, I don't want to get locked no more.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I got a daughter.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It was different when I had my son. I hold
you like my son.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was like, I tell my I said the same
thing I think I fucked up with because it's your
first you don't really know what you're doing, not.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Only you don't know what you're doing Like it was
a kid.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Still maneuvering.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
How did you have just something?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Twenty four?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You have a Do you have anybody in your life
that's twenty four right now?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
My niece, nephew this, Yeah, I got nothing.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Could you imagine if they had a kid right now,
just turned twenty four?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Could you imagine if he had a kid?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Told him that.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I asked him, man, yo, would you want to have
a kid? And he looked at me like you lost
your mind?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I understand, like, and this is the crazy part.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
You was twenty four. I think I was nineteen. I'm
sure I thought that at nineteen, so I know you.
We thought he was waiting. We thought like I waited mad.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Long because I was nineteen.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
My friend's fifteen sixteen, so they all had kids, right right,
So I'm like, oh, I waited the longest. What was
I doing with a child?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
What?
Speaker 4 (19:46):
What I had no business being to charge of somebody's?
Like none at all.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That's where they hit you as a kid.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You're like, yo, I'm really supposed to run this kid life,
Like I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You just do stupidity. Don't even that.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You don't even tell later things that like I used
to be in a studio myself. All types of that
I would never do with my daughter. Hell no ever,
like she tries it like I can go say with
you absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, my daughter wanted to do everything too. But with
them setbacks. You spoke of jail, you came home with
a major run. Here we go all the way up,
baby like, right back to it, like I ain't left nothing,
like you had to feel it then since you said
you realized when you were with.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The jail, No, I came the way.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I absolutely knew that that was different, like I was aware.
It was so crazy because me and Joey had a conversation.
I came home, and Joe's been always like my big brother.
I always looked lip say him like, regardless of like
what he may think, I don't listen to him, and shit,
I may not listen right there because it's gonna gas
him too much for me to be like, yeah, Joey, right,
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but later on I'll listen. So in this particular moment,
I had came home and I just never seen Joe
like in the position that he was in. It was
just weird to see it like that, Like I always
seen him like bigger than life, and whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, he had actually had just came home not too Yeah,
he had even though I tell him was to I'm like, bro,
you did three months? Shut up?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like shut Jill, you tell it pissed me off, But.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was it was. It wasn't take that long like
I think.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I think that's the criteria, Like if you look up
the studies, it's about ninety days before it's designed to
make you go crazy, like the whole prison system that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Was set up. So I came home and got that
coold have.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
We had to falling out and it was so crazy
because when I think about even at the fallout that
I had with Joe, I thought he was so much
older than me, which he's not. I thought he had
more power to do certain things than he did at
the time. And if I would have had an inkling
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of the business mind frame that I have now with
that bed never got them. So I spoke to him
before I came home, and I was just like, you're
on a phone.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
He on the phone.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
He ain't saying that, and I ain't saying that. He's like, yo, brother,
what's up. I'm like, nothing is up. I'm just saying,
like nigga, I'm I'm gonna be straight to it. You
talk to fifty cent, your friends with fifty cent, and
you're not friends with me, you're not speaking to me,
like nigga, Like I don't want to talk about that,
Like I know how people like your friends with Jay
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and Zeke and you're not talking to.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Me friends with all of like all of them.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
What's up? Like stop playing with me?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Like no, like like he's just like, Yo, I love you,
I love you, I miss you. Like that's just like
had a conversation where I come home this loves me word.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
This motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So I I come home and I go to this
basketball game. He's coaching a basketball game, and I'm like, Yo,
we gotta get to it, Like we gotta get to it,
like you ready, I like I'm ready, Like let's go,
Like I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
We go to the studio and we.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Had a real conversation like, Yo, we're gonna do it.
If it comes out amazing, we're gonna do what we're
supposed to do the first time. We need a bunch
of money, a bunch of money, the whole lean back
terms of a bunch of money.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Because see they're all the like we was cool. So
we didn't do what we were supposed to do. We
gonna open, We got.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Open, subways were gonna open. I was saying, why did
you keep saying it's gonna open the subways? Like what
was your obsession with subways?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Mind you?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
None of us opened the subways like I did my
store and I did you know, some other endeavorsits that
I wanted to do. He opened, you know, his sneaker
store and things that he wanted to do. But like
the goal that we had in mind was like, Yo,
we're gonna invest this time. We're gonna carry it to
where what we're supposed to do the first time, and but.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Go a hand and ship be asked if that ain't happening.
I always only look at corny people.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
But we're never gonna tell anybody, like we know if
it's gonna be like, we don't have the world to
tell us, like we'll know if it's that it don't
come out good, we're gonna trash and nobody's gonna notice
that happened. Dal, It's like, Dal, we went there and
we did the Block LMO album and we cracked a
triple platinum.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We're all the way up.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The first single out the park and and with that
we use that stepping stone to branch off into all
of the ship that we've been doing since then.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right aware remy my Network and talking about it booming
out here, it turned on my TV.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm strolling remy my Network. Is this the remy mind?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I know? They like I got the Google.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I was like, yeah, you already know what. Let me
make that's the favorite.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yes, that was a free app. Guys, this free that
of course, world up.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
But it's dope because just the process, like we're officially
on all the like were.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Direct TV directly are so like literally.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's why I saw it. I've got the direct TV
LG Visio rocal that is amazing. Congratulations. I wish you
all the success with that. Because you're a female in
this business and you're making major, major moves that definitely
should be highlighted. Like how do you feel about I
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feel like women in hip hop now are maybe bigger
than men.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Like the women are dominating.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
It's not amazing, it's not it's a it's a.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Very few big rap artists that's that's moving around, like now,
the ones that's like really hitting arenas and doing the
numbers all the.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Old women, that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So how you feel about the female lyricism where.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
It's that right now? I feel like I contributed to that, right,
I feel like I contributed to that. I don't know if,
like you know, they'll ever give it to me while
I'm here and still moving around. But when I came home,
it was it was a very different climate from when
I went away.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I'm not bad like people may not remember. When I
went away.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I got I called my case in two thousand and seven,
I got locked out of March two thousand and eight,
two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
I was locked up. So when I came home, it
was just one like Nick was out here, like.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
She was dominated.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
She she and she was a fucking with nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
If somebody wanted a feature that was a female rapper,
it was gonna be her. If you know, a project
came out of it, it was that's what. It wasn't
no options. And I was just like damn, like okay,
that's cool, but but I'm home and I I gotta
get to this bag, that's right, And and it was
(26:47):
and it was crazy because I'm like once everything happened
with me and her and we fell out some stupid
shit to.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Me, but always over said stupid. Never know, I never
had a real problem with none of these.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Artists, me neither, but fell out some stupid ship.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I had the opportunity to do Summer Jam, and of
course everybody was expecting me to be on bullshit, which
I was. Of course I was, But I'm like, Yo,
I want this to be more than just like like that.
Like I tell people, it sounds like it's easy to
(27:27):
tear some ship down, like you be in this warehouse
like that. I'm afraid out how to tear this ship down.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Now, you gotta build it out.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You gotta build it so that it's stable. Because we're
saying that element we're going calls different.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're gonna be on thumb tat.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And I took my.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Whole budget that they might have paid me about like
sixty thousand that year sixty seven, and I took my
whole budget. I call him, I call emc Light, I
call CARDI I call young in May, I called Yo Yo,
I called Coela Tifa and whatever they need their hand
and make up flights whatever. I took my budget and
I got everybody there, Like I wanted to show, like yo,
(28:05):
just the different the people that.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Came before me, the people that was firing, people that
I seen that.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Was coming, Like cart didn't even have a that yellow
was out, but Niggas wasn't. They wasn't even playing it
or hot Like I had a big ass argument with
Niggas because I just wanted to give literally one hundred
and twenty seconds.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
On my set topon.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, it's my set, so I don't want to care
what I felt and and that's it. After that, when
she started like doing this, everybody was like, oh, me
was right.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I know, but I wanted to, like, you know, make it,
make it a moment that that would matter. And I
felt like from that moment people was able to see
and take.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It, like oh they all could be together.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
The way everybody was backstage fin girling out over each
other was like Rod Digga like, oh shit, I ain't
say your man shut up Like it was. It was
just like a whole different thing. Shout up, Shout up
to ros She always reaches out.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Shoutouts Toimoni Law.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
She always reaches out, shout out to a lot of
teeth for a whole we was in like I don't
even know wish she was in somewhere around the other
side of the where I'm like Jesus.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right, she was like him, don't worry about it, I
have my off flight. I was like, okay, okay, okay, good.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Look, I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
It, like so accommodating so And I feel like from
that moment, like it changed a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It changed a lot of things that open a lot
of doors.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And then obviously after the success of all the women
that was that was coming out, after a lot of
or Cardi Werella and the Monolos and Kendeman, just all
these different girls that are coming from other regions, and
everybody be saying like, oh, everybody sounds the same. But
I don't know, maybe because I am a rapper, Like
I'm like, well, I can see these two. I can say,
(29:39):
but this is a little bit of like me, I
group things differently.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
But I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
There's so many I love that they're working together. That's right,
because we didn't have a lot of that. Like, it's
so many women that I wanted to work with, And
I guess you could say what my era was then,
politics always played it issue. Even now, like I'm looking
on the project and I just see the politics, I'd
be like, all right, it's cool, it's fine. Like and
it don't even be the artist most of the time.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Be the team, it be the label, It be the
middleman all the time. That's why I like direct links.
I hate I feel so looking back over your journey
from the Bronx to where you at today, what would
you say you're most proud of?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
What am I most proud of? I want to say
if the top, probably just just still.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Being here, that's right.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
The longevity, because you know, when I was coming up,
there was a lot of people that if you were
asked at the time, it was more popular than me,
was making more money than me. People may even thought
they was more talented than me. They had more accolades
than me at the time, but fast forward twenty years later,
(30:57):
they don't look better than me.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
They got more money than.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Get more moved like, So, you know, the longevity says that,
and that's that's something that I learned from my brother.
Like a lot of times, like I remember like we
would be sitting back and we'll see other artists, and
it looked like everybody was going past him, and he wasn't, like,
you know, really getting the credit regardless of how many
hit records he had or whatever. But and I told him,
I said, you'd rather do this or in.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Full, or rather do a slow climb.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
So you know, I take my my path that I do.
I kind of model it after after my brother, because
the longevityes was mad. I would love like I would
have loved to be one of those people that get
the one hit the record in his skyrocket, throwing his
world wide success like it looked like it was fun.
(31:51):
But you know, looking back, when I see the outcome
of that, the outcome of that, I wouldn't change it.
I'm not happy for the ron that I had to
put it. I'm happy and I'm still grinding. I'm still
going now. I don't know how to not grind, how
to not hustle.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I told him, I fixed, I forget my name before
I forget how to grind.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I gotta get to it, straight up. I have to
get to it. I've never been you know. I tell
people talking like I'm in my soft girl. Error's cool.
I'm not paying for nothing. I'm never but I still
gotta have my own money.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
That just thing like I gotta have my I can
never be like I just and not even just depended,
just idle. Like I see some people, like you know
women they have a dude and he got the band,
and they really don't have to work. They don't gotta
they don't got to do the house wipe type shit
because they got a housekeeper and they got a nanny
and they got this and they just be chilling. They
(32:44):
just shop and and travel with their friends. I would
still be doing something like I.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Would have to do something.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I couldn't have a woman just sitting there on like, son,
you gotta do some go do polates, do something.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
To me.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
It would be my god, be like yo, I know,
I said I was gonna do nothing, but that fifty
thousand gave me.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I took it. I did this and here's this.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's right, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Like that would be me, like because now it's just
I'm just playing. Its freestyling like it's not even my bread.
I could be so you know, I can just play
with your money like like.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Let's go baby, That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I'd rather that, like like I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I have a different mentality and I have a different
way of looking at things. And even so now like
I tell people, they be like, YO, know I know her.
We went to school together. Problem you do not know
we went to school together. Like persons there how many knees,
Like like, since you have from the same person from
(33:45):
if you didn't speak to me in the last three months,
you might not know me.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm that serious, Like I gotta.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Get on that vibe.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
If you didn't speak to me three months, three months
to limit three months, I got to try that now.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
That I'm now who I was in February, I just
hold my.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Daughter and the alias in the store and she told
the man that's not your name looked at like, that's
me right now that if a young woman is watching
this in the Bronx anywhere in the world right now,
they get their hands on this interview, what's one lesson
from your.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Journey you would want that young woman to carry with them.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Just I would say probably, just gotta be careful about
the mistakes that you make, because we all make mistakes, choices,
the choices. We don't make mistakes, but it's not even
about the choice. Choose what you want to choose, but
you be careful of the mistakes that you make, because
(34:45):
some mistakes will literally erase all the good stuff you've done.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
That's a fact.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You could do one hundred and fifty thousand good things.
One mistake will erase all of that and nobody won't care.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
You could scream to the top of us. I donated
turkeys are thanksgiving. I hugged babies and kissed babies that
like they don't care. They don't care.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
And I think as women sometimes sometimes we lean, especially
if you're pretty or you're cute, like we lean on
certain shit because that's that's that's just what it is.
If you look, if you're more on the attract side,
you get privileges that people don't do them. And I
think sometimes not all the times, sometimes we don't really
(35:33):
factor in all the things that matter, like even just
to get a reputation. I learned very long ago, like
what people thought about me, yes, and I used to
not care. I don't care what they think. I don't care,
Like I know who I am, the people who I love.
When people who rock with me, they know who I am.
(35:54):
That ship is a lot. It matters what people think
about you, the fact, your brand, if people think, if
people think you a whole, they're gonna handle like that,
that's right. If people think you a snake, they're gonna
handle like that. If people think you know you're a liar,
if they all of these things that matter. So I
would say, like, you know, be careful the mistakes you make,
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and just just know that everything matters.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Even the shit that you think don't matter, it matter.
So when it's all said and done, I'm not gonna
hold you. I just want you to end with them.
I just want the people to really know rem when
it's all set and done. What do you want the
people to say about remy Ma, not just the artist,
but as the person.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
When everything is said and done. I'm still working on that.
I'm actually still working on it. I have people like,
you know, you need to do a bug, you need
to do a biopic, and I'm just like, I don't
like the ending yet.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Hold up, I don't like the ending. I'm not I
don't like the ending just yet.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I think I'm still in that that a phase where
people judge me on what they think they know about me. People,
you know, judge me on my past. I found myself.
I used to be trying to explain to people like, yo,
just because somebody went to jail, that doesn't mean they bad.
You think that the cops and the judge and Jerry
got it right every time. Everybody that's in jail, it's
(37:20):
not guilty. Everybody that's walking around it's not ins like
I was, just like, you know what, I'm never going
to change anybody's mind or whatever they think that's what
they think. The only thing I can do is change
what I'm doing right now and give them something like
I've literally seen people like I don't really I ain't
never used to really like she's starting to grow on
me and started like like, you know what I'm saying like,
(37:41):
and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with people that
didn't used to be okay because when I look back
something shit I used to be saying, it was wow.
But it wasn't even just the average, just the way
that we grew up, Like PEO think I'm mean and
they think I'm like and it's like I don't care.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I care now, but I don't want people to think
I'm amazing.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I don't want people to think, like, you know, I'm stupid,
Like that's probably the one.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I mean think I'm ugly, thinking I think I'm broke,
think don't think I'm stupid. That one bothers me like
I will go above it like throwing Jeopardy right now.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Jeffardy is dearing and that's a fat heart like.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Throw it all.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Let's see. I promise you. So that to me, that's important.
But I think I think I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I think I think I'm real as far as like
you know, what people saying, what people think about me.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Like I said, I can't change the past.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
I am currently working on changing what they view me
as now and in the future.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
That's a fact. Man.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, I thank you for coming through Realm, beautiful Realm,
always holding it down.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
God bless you and the family.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Beautiful baby girl that's my I know when I see her,
she really don't know me, but she knows me.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
She's like, I see you, I don't know if in
the restaurant she's like, who's that my friend?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
She's like, oh, man, I appreciate you coming through rem
I wish you nothing but success, and like you said,
you got that exit plan.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I hope you go down there.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I hope, I hope it goes down. You know what
it is, your rock solid. We always bring the realists
in the building. Rem bang we in the building.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, y'all, you already know what it is.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yours truly back with another exclusive episode of rock Solid Podcasts.
And this one is special because I just want to
make it be known. I'm a fan first of this female.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
She's a spinner.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
She really in a lot of you niggas straight from
the BX hold it down. And she's the first female
on Rock Solid. And with that being said, I got
a nice Doucet Bodle Jay thirty five just so she
put it on the mantle piece.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's exactly where it's going. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I would I would have been like, you know something.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, ain't too many women in this business that
I reached out to to talk to you. I came
up with you, we came up together. I stay here
her records and be like, fuck, get me some the
hell is she out there doing?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So I want to know the story of rim.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So my first question is I want you to take
us back to what the environment was that shaped you
to the woman we know today.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh man, I tried to explain to people all the
time like that that ever that I came up.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In, like it's dope.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I love with social media is providing for people and
the different you know lanes that is opening. But you know,
I came up in it ever where, like you really
had to be nice, that's right, because there was no TikTok,
there was no Instagram, there was no snapchat like some
of these people. But like people like they crap, but
they liked them as a person, Like there was no
(02:04):
real avenue to display your personality.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And people weren't even trying to listen to.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
You, like you get two bars in they didn't like
your first two bars salmon.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I grew up absolutely, that's a perfect eximpt the salmon
in real life though, Like everybody wanted to be the
real life Sammon, like two bars and they don't like it.
You're out of here done. And it wasn't. It wasn't
a lot of females like like how it is now.
There was a select and everybody was that you had
the New York girls, you had like you know, the
(02:39):
the Kims and and live from Jersey and Light and
things like that. That's when I was growing up before
I'm like when I'm still ramming a hood. But then
there's me Eggs and Gangster Ball and they was in
the South, and then they had Rage and the Boss
(03:01):
and they was in Cali. And then you had Brad
and them from Chicago. So it was like it was
like very regional when I was coming up. I feel
like nowadays the regions don't matter as much as they
used to. Like then, like you know, people like, oh,
she's from Atlanta, she's from Miami, but it's not regional
like it was, you know, coming up. So I just
felt like you had a little bit more pressure to
(03:22):
be good. You had a lot of pressure to be good,
and they didn't care if you was a girl Like
you wasn't getting no points because you look.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
A look at all the names you name. Everybody you
named top tear spinners.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Like that's that's what was going on, Like that's what
was and and not only was.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It a regional thing.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
They was not getting points because you was a girl,
like they already expect because you were female, they already
expect you're gonna be trash.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's a fact.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
So if you're not trash, you better be not just good,
you better be great.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So it wasn't like you rock.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
What was it like?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
What was the grind like before Terror Squad, before Joe
rest in Peace Pun, one of the greatest spinners out
of New York, before Pun discovered you?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What was the grind like? For real?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm not even gonna lie like, I wasn't trying to
be a rapper.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You kidding me.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I wasn't trying to be a rapper like I had
been around people that was doing the talent show thing
and doing you know, running down on niggas.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I can rats, that's right, That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So that's the most annoying thing to me. And I
wasn't even an art.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I was like, I'm never running up on somebody like, yo,
this is rap real quick, Like I was never ever
doing that. That was never my about, Like it was
never happening. I knew I could rap because I was
hanging out with all the gangsters and all the good
money niggas. They would take me to different neighborhoods and
hop out like like I was like the secret weapon.
They would be putting up bread for people to batter.
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Then they think because I'm a girl like girl like herself,
and I should really just being from hood to hood
hopping out, smoking my head all the and since or
they was paying me in Vincent's jan Sports Airmax, I just.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Heard somebody else told me they used to battle for jackets.
I'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's that's all.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
It was like, they're like, you know what I mean,
here go go grab the new Airmax that came up
some non fives or couick some nine sevens.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But I was. I was a super tomboy.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
And I grew up. I had a older brother and
a younger brother. My brother used to raph. I used
to make poems like in school. I used to do poetry.
I used to be in school. I was like a
nerd in school. I won all the spelling bees I wanted.
Used to have something called the storytelling contests. We used
to have to memorize a book from the first page
to the end, and judges would sit like on the
panel and.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Have the book while you read it on stage.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Like I used to into stuff like that all the
science fairs.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Like that was my thing in school.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So when my brother used to come home and wrap
like I would take my poetry book and try to
find ones that that that to naturally and like put
over beating.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And at some point.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I stopped writing poems and just had a book of rms,
as they say, poetry and head like, I don't even
know the last time I wrote a poem upon it
has been years. I do it every now and then.
I just pop up and just had something in the files.
But it's not like it.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Was that'll be fire ram poem.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Poetry because you can just say and it could be
for children too, you know, come on.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Say, I wasn't thinking about when that was for children.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yo, you gotta b side.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Definitely, I was not thinking that at all. I don't
think anybody else like poetry like that.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
At what point did you start taking raps serious if
you thought you didn't want to do this?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So here's the thing, right, It wasn't that I thought
I didn't want to do it. I didn't think it
was real. Like I knew I was trying to get money,
like I wasn't trying to be broke. I wasn't trying
to be like I used to remember sitting down like
talking to my friends like, Yo, everybody look at all
these bitches, like Mindrew, he's just tripping like twenty seven twenty.
I'm looking at all these old bitches. That's why I
used saying, I know when you in your teenage, you
think it's twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Everybody old bitches.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
They you know, they parents, their grandparents pass away, then
they take over the apartment and then they raise their
kids in the projects. Like it's just like just they
keep passing the lease over in the projects and like
ye oh, I'm like, that's not gonna be me.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Man, I gotta get to it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
And that's what I was doing, like I was selling
anything anything like everything we e pills cold like it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But a lot of people don't know too that New
York women crime just like the men if not.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Hard us like what it was.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I'm like, yo, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be broke.
So to answer your question, when did I like start
taking it serious?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Problem with that?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Joe kicked me off the tour bus because you caught
me selling e pills to somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yo, you is like number one everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Naught did I just I just see you make a sale.
I'm like, what what you mean?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I can see right now? Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Like did I did? I get back on the buzz?
I'm like what happened?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Like don't don't fucking play with me? Like, Yo, did
I just see you make a sale?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Were in Manhattan, I'm on the tour bus.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I'm like, yo, I'm only here, were about to drive
we leave you better come now?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And that money? Yo?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He like, are you fucking serious?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
We got the fucking number one song in the fucking
world and you're selling drugs or techniques, not drugs and spells,
like like drugs seems very like extreme, Like I've.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Definitely back then that was like the normal that I
have it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
It's not drugs per se. But I'm like, I don't
know where it's gone go, like and when I'm gonna
do with it. I had it still left over for
before that song started popping. I gotta get word up.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's all bus for like a day or tomb It's like,
you're fucking crazy. You let me obviously come back. But
I think that's when I was like, I said, listen,
fuck it, take a serious.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
This shit don't work.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Makeure you buying my next pack you all, Like I'm
telling you right now, just don't pay it out with.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Being said like joining terror squad one of the biggest
movements in New York City. That's undeniable. Joe been killing shit.
Pun was that, like I said, one of the nicest.
And for you to be the female next to them
too great. What's some of the key what what's one
of the key gyms? You would say you learned from both.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Of them then or now now? It's different.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I have so much think I learned from both of them,
even things that Pun told me twenty years ago that
literally just started to make sense now.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yo, That's how I feel about certain shit. Jay used
to say. When I was a shorty, I used to
be like whatever, but.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Today it's like, oh, I used to I was like
how they say I was a girl. I was a
knuck go ahead, like for real, like bad, like my
mom used to be. Like from my mom and my girdfa.
They used to call me neck down, like from the
neck up.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm a girl from here down.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Just that I said, like that was they judge me
like neck down, Yo, sh she's a nigga. But I
think I remember I used to just be so mad
because I had it in my mind of what I
was gonna do. I used to talk to my friends like, yo,
when I'm making so so ignorant, I'm gonna get it,
just like I'm gonna get a shopping cart like shopping
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cars used to take to the SuperM. I'm gona have
a shopping cart fullow weed.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Then I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'm gonna take everybody shopping, get everybody changed, everybody like
this is the mentality that you think. Then the ship
starts happening and shit start moving. You'd be like, hold on, okay,
twenty change for twenty niggas. None of these niggas don't
write no wraps. These niggas don't got no skills.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
They don't build.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, they don't even know.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
How to dance.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I can't make a backup dancing. These niggas can't do nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I said.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You go to the restaurant and you get the tab
like you go on a plan. You get the tab.
You're the hotel. You get a tab like it starts
adding nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You realize that the.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Plans that you have for your friends before we not
even talking about what you get to your family like,
because your aunts and uncles and cousins like they they come.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Too, so it's like a package.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And you got your media family, your sisters, your brothers
like that feel like they're enttitles to shit. Then you
got the cousins the shit that you grow up they
feel like they and then you got your friends that
was there with you while you was on your rime. Right,
So I used to be like, I remember when I
first got there. I used to talk to him. I's
to be like, yo, people used to be saying shit
to me. I was like, yeah, Joe, you're wrong because
you're supposed to be doing this and you're supposed to
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make And then.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Then you get in that position you be like, oh,
you're right.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It doesn't make sense for me to be taken care
of grown as men that don't do nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
And he used to tell me.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I just to be like, yo, what about all your
friends that like you grew up with where they at
your date ones? And He's like, yo, I'm you. You
can love them, but you gotta love them from as.
You have to associate people with the same ideas that
you have. You have to associate people with that have
what you have who are more than what you have,
because if not, you're gonna stand the reg that's right staying.
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And I used to just be so mad, and so
it's like, nah, that's that's just what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Fast forward twenty years.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
When I see certain like like new artists coming, you
see that with this big charges, just be like, let's
see how long this lasts, right, I'll be.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Saying last I tell everybody I started out one hundred deep,
four of us.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And it's not even because you can't do it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
It's because they really it's.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No use for it, no purpose.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You start having motherfuckers with you, they don't got nothing
to lose.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They start doing ship.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's sucking up ship because now the promoters is looking
like I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
People it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Or they start doing shit to people because they still
got that hood mentality and the falls on you. Like
a lot of those things. I was told at a
young age because when I got with the squad, pumb
was already double platinum. Joe was already like you know,
becoming who he was. And I just didn't under say
I was too young. I was a teenager. I didn't
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I thought somebody twenty eight was a grandmaha, like it
was a grandpa over there twenty eight, Like when I
realized that Joe wasn't as much older than me than
I thought, because he got me about like eleven twelvey
or something like that. But when you're seventeen, eighteen, twenty twenty,
just like they super older.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yea, he turned twenty eight and they only thirty seven,
like thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Like wait a minute, be close to tell you what
to do now?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
No, no, yeah, he's still be blessing men. I'm not
gonna lie. He messed me around the other Davies at
the concerts, like where you was just saying, I'm like
walking around?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Who said you go walking around me? My legs like
I don't know, like my legs wanted to see who
was in here. I moved around.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I didn't know I needed permission, But I'm back if
it means anything.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yo records like you got too many? Real, you got
too many? First, Let's start with my daughter favorite record.
We did a show in New Jersey. She had no
clue who you were. You perform, put your left hand up,
put your right whatever. That record has not cut off
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in my household. Sers so you still and you know,
inspiring the youth. You got Anny up verse of the century,
fuck versus the year, versus the century.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Then lean back takes off. What was all of that feeling?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like? Was it a surreal feeling or did you know
like I'm lit out here the world they checking for I.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Told you I was still selling drugs like you. No,
I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I'm gonna be totally honest, like, I didn't know how
popular and how famous I was until I caught my
case and it was handled it like John Guy.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I'm like on the cover of the Daily.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
News like they did.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Bragging it like I'm like literal me from Castle Hill
all this.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But I think that's what's sad.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
It took something of that magnitude, something that literally could
be career and then for most artists, no, boy, the
grace of God, I was able to come back from that.
But you know, it took that for me to realize
because I was me, And I think a lot of
artists that that are too real, they fall into that
because I never I never had to turn into remy Ma.
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I never had to be like, Okay, I gotta go
do this interview with Blake. Let me put on my
remy out like I was. I was always popular. Some
people that you know, they get into the industry and
they become popular, and they have this preconceived notion of
what popular people should act like and how they should
move and whatever. The fact I was always popular before
the wraps, like in the everihood. I lived in it.
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Every school I went in like I was popular. So
when I got famous, it was just like the same
thing I was always doing, just.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
On a bigger scale for me.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
And I just always carried like even now, sometimes I
have to sit down and talk to people, like listen,
I could act regular.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I can.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I can be regular. You can't treat me like I'm regular.
That's right, because that's what happens and what I realized
you you'd be like yo, I pull up in the
hood real quick, I hop out going to the store.
I like try to mingle with people that I grew
up with. When you get to a certain level, you
really can't do that because for so many reasons, but.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
For so many we both know. But that's how I
was carrying. That's how I used to move.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Like niggas be like yo, man, we got a barbecue,
all right, I'm pulling up. I'm not calling myself curity
because I'm gonna who's gonna do something to me?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Like that's how I really used to feel, like do
something that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Studio exactly like I'm praying that they touch me today.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm pissed off anyway, those.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
That type of mentality growing up and growing up here
because a lot of people don't understand, like, you know,
it's not just a culture, it's a mond state that
you have growing up here.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You gotta move a certain way, you gotta be once you.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Know, like I'm good everywhere I go, Like I've never
been in no hood where I felt like, oh my god,
that's right. I've never felt like that ever.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And then you're gonna keep you gonna carry that wherever
you go.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And what happened is we were in an error that
was changing to where all that round Nigga ship and
this that was that people people's really looking at me
like I look like I know she's gonna do something
I know, and they're willing to take the punch in
the face.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
They will willing to take it.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Like I done paid so many people, like like literally, I've.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Been sued for somebody else doing so absolutely, and they
literally I walk out the club and they said it
was him.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I looked at the guy like, bro, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It wasn't me.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Like I've had that. I've had. Not only have I
had that, I've had the rest. I always get a rest.
Like I feel like I would be the one that
out of everything that happened, I'd be like.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yo, today gonna be a good day. You got cheers gun.
Every time I go to jail.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Every time, yo, are you like burn your outfit you
go to jail with.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I don't even walk in my house right, I burned that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Look at it. It's a bad look.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I am nikked outside immediately. I don't even want to
open my threshold, yo. But but that's I feel like
that always happens to me. I'm like, yo, once I
realized I'm not, I don't want to get locked no more.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I got a daughter.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It was different when I had my son. I hold
you like my son.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was like, I tell my I said the same
thing I think I fucked up with because it's your
first you don't really know what you're doing, not.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Only you don't know what you're doing Like it was
a kid.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Still maneuvering.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
How did you have just something?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Twenty four?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You have a Do you have anybody in your life
that's twenty four right now?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
My niece, nephew this, Yeah, I got nothing.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Could you imagine if they had a kid right now,
just turned twenty four?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Could you imagine if he had a kid?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Told him that.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I asked him, man, yo, would you want to have
a kid? And he looked at me like you lost
your mind?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I understand, like, and this is the crazy part.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
You was twenty four. I think I was nineteen. I'm
sure I thought that at nineteen, so I know you.
We thought he was waiting. We thought like I waited mad.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Long because I was nineteen.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
My friend's fifteen sixteen, so they all had kids, right right,
So I'm like, oh, I waited the longest. What was
I doing with a child?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
What?
Speaker 4 (19:46):
What I had no business being to charge of somebody's?
Like none at all.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That's where they hit you as a kid.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You're like, yo, I'm really supposed to run this kid life,
Like I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You just do stupidity. Don't even that.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You don't even tell later things that like I used
to be in a studio myself. All types of that
I would never do with my daughter. Hell no ever,
like she tries it like I can go say with
you absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, my daughter wanted to do everything too. But with
them setbacks. You spoke of jail, you came home with
a major run. Here we go all the way up,
baby like, right back to it, like I ain't left nothing,
like you had to feel it then since you said
you realized when you were with.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The jail, No, I came the way.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I absolutely knew that that was different, like I was aware.
It was so crazy because me and Joey had a conversation.
I came home, and Joe's been always like my big brother.
I always looked lip say him like, regardless of like
what he may think, I don't listen to him, and shit,
I may not listen right there because it's gonna gas
him too much for me to be like, yeah, Joey, right,
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but later on I'll listen. So in this particular moment,
I had came home and I just never seen Joe
like in the position that he was in. It was
just weird to see it like that, Like I always
seen him like bigger than life, and whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, he had actually had just came home not too Yeah,
he had even though I tell him was to I'm like, bro,
you did three months? Shut up?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like shut Jill, you tell it pissed me off, But.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was it was. It wasn't take that long like
I think.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I think that's the criteria, Like if you look up
the studies, it's about ninety days before it's designed to
make you go crazy, like the whole prison system that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Was set up. So I came home and got that
coold have.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
We had to falling out and it was so crazy
because when I think about even at the fallout that
I had with Joe, I thought he was so much
older than me, which he's not. I thought he had
more power to do certain things than he did at
the time. And if I would have had an inkling
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of the business mind frame that I have now with
that bed never got them. So I spoke to him
before I came home, and I was just like, you're
on a phone.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
He on the phone.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
He ain't saying that, and I ain't saying that. He's like, yo, brother,
what's up. I'm like, nothing is up. I'm just saying,
like nigga, I'm I'm gonna be straight to it. You
talk to fifty cent, your friends with fifty cent, and
you're not friends with me, you're not speaking to me,
like nigga, Like I don't want to talk about that,
Like I know how people like your friends with Jay
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and Zeke and you're not talking to.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Me friends with all of like all of them.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
What's up? Like stop playing with me?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Like no, like like he's just like, Yo, I love you,
I love you, I miss you. Like that's just like
had a conversation where I come home this loves me word.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
This motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So I I come home and I go to this
basketball game. He's coaching a basketball game, and I'm like, Yo,
we gotta get to it, Like we gotta get to it,
like you ready, I like I'm ready, Like let's go,
Like I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
We go to the studio and we.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Had a real conversation like, Yo, we're gonna do it.
If it comes out amazing, we're gonna do what we're
supposed to do the first time. We need a bunch
of money, a bunch of money, the whole lean back
terms of a bunch of money.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Because see they're all the like we was cool. So
we didn't do what we were supposed to do. We
gonna open, We got.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Open, subways were gonna open. I was saying, why did
you keep saying it's gonna open the subways? Like what
was your obsession with subways?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Mind you?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
None of us opened the subways like I did my
store and I did you know, some other endeavorsits that
I wanted to do. He opened, you know, his sneaker
store and things that he wanted to do. But like
the goal that we had in mind was like, Yo,
we're gonna invest this time. We're gonna carry it to
where what we're supposed to do the first time, and but.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Go a hand and ship be asked if that ain't happening.
I always only look at corny people.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
But we're never gonna tell anybody, like we know if
it's gonna be like, we don't have the world to
tell us, like we'll know if it's that it don't
come out good, we're gonna trash and nobody's gonna notice
that happened. Dal, It's like, Dal, we went there and
we did the Block LMO album and we cracked a
triple platinum.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We're all the way up.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The first single out the park and and with that
we use that stepping stone to branch off into all
of the ship that we've been doing since then.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right aware remy my Network and talking about it booming
out here, it turned on my TV.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm strolling remy my Network. Is this the remy mind?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I know? They like I got the Google.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I was like, yeah, you already know what. Let me
make that's the favorite.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yes, that was a free app. Guys, this free that
of course, world up.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
But it's dope because just the process, like we're officially
on all the like were.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Direct TV directly are so like literally.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's why I saw it. I've got the direct TV
LG Visio rocal that is amazing. Congratulations. I wish you
all the success with that. Because you're a female in
this business and you're making major, major moves that definitely
should be highlighted. Like how do you feel about I
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feel like women in hip hop now are maybe bigger
than men.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Like the women are dominating.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
It's not amazing, it's not it's a it's a.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Very few big rap artists that's that's moving around, like now,
the ones that's like really hitting arenas and doing the
numbers all the.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Old women, that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So how you feel about the female lyricism where.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
It's that right now? I feel like I contributed to that, right,
I feel like I contributed to that. I don't know if,
like you know, they'll ever give it to me while
I'm here and still moving around. But when I came home,
it was it was a very different climate from when
I went away.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I'm not bad like people may not remember. When I
went away.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I got I called my case in two thousand and seven,
I got locked out of March two thousand and eight,
two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
I was locked up. So when I came home, it
was just one like Nick was out here, like.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
She was dominated.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
She she and she was a fucking with nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
If somebody wanted a feature that was a female rapper,
it was gonna be her. If you know, a project
came out of it, it was that's what. It wasn't
no options. And I was just like damn, like okay,
that's cool, but but I'm home and I I gotta
get to this bag, that's right, And and it was
(26:47):
and it was crazy because I'm like once everything happened
with me and her and we fell out some stupid
shit to.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Me, but always over said stupid. Never know, I never
had a real problem with none of these.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Artists, me neither, but fell out some stupid ship.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I had the opportunity to do Summer Jam, and of
course everybody was expecting me to be on bullshit, which
I was. Of course I was, But I'm like, Yo,
I want this to be more than just like like that.
Like I tell people, it sounds like it's easy to
(27:27):
tear some ship down, like you be in this warehouse
like that. I'm afraid out how to tear this ship down.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Now, you gotta build it out.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You gotta build it so that it's stable. Because we're
saying that element we're going calls different.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're gonna be on thumb tat.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And I took my.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Whole budget that they might have paid me about like
sixty thousand that year sixty seven, and I took my
whole budget. I call him, I call emc Light, I
call CARDI I call young in May, I called Yo Yo,
I called Coela Tifa and whatever they need their hand
and make up flights whatever. I took my budget and
I got everybody there, Like I wanted to show, like yo,
(28:05):
just the different the people that.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Came before me, the people that was firing, people that
I seen that.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Was coming, Like cart didn't even have a that yellow
was out, but Niggas wasn't. They wasn't even playing it
or hot Like I had a big ass argument with
Niggas because I just wanted to give literally one hundred
and twenty seconds.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
On my set topon.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, it's my set, so I don't want to care
what I felt and and that's it. After that, when
she started like doing this, everybody was like, oh, me
was right.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I know, but I wanted to, like, you know, make it,
make it a moment that that would matter. And I
felt like from that moment people was able to see
and take.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It, like oh they all could be together.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
The way everybody was backstage fin girling out over each
other was like Rod Digga like, oh shit, I ain't
say your man shut up Like it was. It was
just like a whole different thing. Shout up, Shout up
to ros She always reaches out.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Shoutouts Toimoni Law.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
She always reaches out, shout out to a lot of
teeth for a whole we was in like I don't
even know wish she was in somewhere around the other
side of the where I'm like Jesus.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right, she was like him, don't worry about it, I
have my off flight. I was like, okay, okay, okay, good.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Look, I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
It, like so accommodating so And I feel like from
that moment, like it changed a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It changed a lot of things that open a lot
of doors.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And then obviously after the success of all the women
that was that was coming out, after a lot of
or Cardi Werella and the Monolos and Kendeman, just all
these different girls that are coming from other regions, and
everybody be saying like, oh, everybody sounds the same. But
I don't know, maybe because I am a rapper, Like
I'm like, well, I can see these two. I can say,
(29:39):
but this is a little bit of like me, I
group things differently.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
But I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
There's so many I love that they're working together. That's right,
because we didn't have a lot of that. Like, it's
so many women that I wanted to work with, And
I guess you could say what my era was then,
politics always played it issue. Even now, like I'm looking
on the project and I just see the politics, I'd
be like, all right, it's cool, it's fine. Like and
it don't even be the artist most of the time.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Be the team, it be the label, It be the
middleman all the time. That's why I like direct links.
I hate I feel so looking back over your journey
from the Bronx to where you at today, what would
you say you're most proud of?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
What am I most proud of? I want to say
if the top, probably just just still.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Being here, that's right.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
The longevity, because you know, when I was coming up,
there was a lot of people that if you were
asked at the time, it was more popular than me,
was making more money than me. People may even thought
they was more talented than me. They had more accolades
than me at the time, but fast forward twenty years later,
(30:57):
they don't look better than me.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
They got more money than.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Get more moved like, So, you know, the longevity says that,
and that's that's something that I learned from my brother.
Like a lot of times, like I remember like we
would be sitting back and we'll see other artists, and
it looked like everybody was going past him, and he wasn't, like,
you know, really getting the credit regardless of how many
hit records he had or whatever. But and I told him,
I said, you'd rather do this or in.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Full, or rather do a slow climb.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
So you know, I take my my path that I do.
I kind of model it after after my brother, because
the longevityes was mad. I would love like I would
have loved to be one of those people that get
the one hit the record in his skyrocket, throwing his
world wide success like it looked like it was fun.
(31:51):
But you know, looking back, when I see the outcome
of that, the outcome of that, I wouldn't change it.
I'm not happy for the ron that I had to
put it. I'm happy and I'm still grinding. I'm still
going now. I don't know how to not grind, how
to not hustle.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I told him, I fixed, I forget my name before
I forget how to grind.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I gotta get to it, straight up. I have to
get to it. I've never been you know. I tell
people talking like I'm in my soft girl. Error's cool.
I'm not paying for nothing. I'm never but I still
gotta have my own money.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
That just thing like I gotta have my I can
never be like I just and not even just depended,
just idle. Like I see some people, like you know
women they have a dude and he got the band,
and they really don't have to work. They don't gotta
they don't got to do the house wipe type shit
because they got a housekeeper and they got a nanny
and they got this and they just be chilling. They
(32:44):
just shop and and travel with their friends. I would
still be doing something like I.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Would have to do something.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I couldn't have a woman just sitting there on like, son,
you gotta do some go do polates, do something.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
To me.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
It would be my god, be like yo, I know,
I said I was gonna do nothing, but that fifty
thousand gave me.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I took it. I did this and here's this.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's right, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Like that would be me, like because now it's just
I'm just playing. Its freestyling like it's not even my bread.
I could be so you know, I can just play
with your money like like.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Let's go baby, That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I'd rather that, like like I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I have a different mentality and I have a different
way of looking at things. And even so now like
I tell people, they be like, YO, know I know her.
We went to school together. Problem you do not know
we went to school together. Like persons there how many knees,
Like like, since you have from the same person from
(33:45):
if you didn't speak to me in the last three months,
you might not know me.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm that serious, Like I gotta.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Get on that vibe.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
If you didn't speak to me three months, three months
to limit three months, I got to try that now.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
That I'm now who I was in February, I just
hold my.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Daughter and the alias in the store and she told
the man that's not your name looked at like, that's
me right now that if a young woman is watching
this in the Bronx anywhere in the world right now,
they get their hands on this interview, what's one lesson
from your.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Journey you would want that young woman to carry with them.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Just I would say probably, just gotta be careful about
the mistakes that you make, because we all make mistakes, choices,
the choices. We don't make mistakes, but it's not even
about the choice. Choose what you want to choose, but
you be careful of the mistakes that you make, because
(34:45):
some mistakes will literally erase all the good stuff you've done.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
That's a fact.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You could do one hundred and fifty thousand good things.
One mistake will erase all of that and nobody won't care.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
You could scream to the top of us. I donated
turkeys are thanksgiving. I hugged babies and kissed babies that
like they don't care. They don't care.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
And I think as women sometimes sometimes we lean, especially
if you're pretty or you're cute, like we lean on
certain shit because that's that's that's just what it is.
If you look, if you're more on the attract side,
you get privileges that people don't do them. And I
think sometimes not all the times, sometimes we don't really
(35:33):
factor in all the things that matter, like even just
to get a reputation. I learned very long ago, like
what people thought about me, yes, and I used to
not care. I don't care what they think. I don't care,
Like I know who I am, the people who I love.
When people who rock with me, they know who I am.
(35:54):
That ship is a lot. It matters what people think
about you, the fact, your brand, if people think, if
people think you a whole, they're gonna handle like that,
that's right. If people think you a snake, they're gonna
handle like that. If people think you know you're a liar,
if they all of these things that matter. So I
would say, like, you know, be careful the mistakes you make,
(36:14):
and just just know that everything matters.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Even the shit that you think don't matter, it matter.
So when it's all said and done, I'm not gonna
hold you. I just want you to end with them.
I just want the people to really know rem when
it's all set and done. What do you want the
people to say about remy Ma, not just the artist,
but as the person.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
When everything is said and done. I'm still working on that.
I'm actually still working on it. I have people like,
you know, you need to do a bug, you need
to do a biopic, and I'm just like, I don't
like the ending yet.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Hold up, I don't like the ending. I'm not I
don't like the ending just yet.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I think I'm still in that that a phase where
people judge me on what they think they know about me. People,
you know, judge me on my past. I found myself.
I used to be trying to explain to people like, yo,
just because somebody went to jail, that doesn't mean they bad.
You think that the cops and the judge and Jerry
got it right every time. Everybody that's in jail, it's
(37:20):
not guilty. Everybody that's walking around it's not ins like
I was, just like, you know what, I'm never going
to change anybody's mind or whatever they think that's what
they think. The only thing I can do is change
what I'm doing right now and give them something like
I've literally seen people like I don't really I ain't
never used to really like she's starting to grow on
me and started like like, you know what I'm saying like,
(37:41):
and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with people that
didn't used to be okay because when I look back
something shit I used to be saying, it was wow.
But it wasn't even just the average, just the way
that we grew up, Like PEO think I'm mean and
they think I'm like and it's like I don't care.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I care now, but I don't want people to think
I'm amazing.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I don't want people to think, like, you know, I'm stupid,
Like that's probably the one.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I mean think I'm ugly, thinking I think I'm broke,
think don't think I'm stupid. That one bothers me like
I will go above it like throwing Jeopardy right now.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Jeffardy is dearing and that's a fat heart like.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Throw it all.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Let's see. I promise you. So that to me, that's important.
But I think I think I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I think I think I'm real as far as like
you know, what people saying, what people think about me.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Like I said, I can't change the past.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
I am currently working on changing what they view me
as now and in the future.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
That's a fact. Man.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, I thank you for coming through Realm, beautiful Realm,
always holding it down.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
God bless you and the family.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Beautiful baby girl that's my I know when I see her,
she really don't know me, but she knows me.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
She's like, I see you, I don't know if in
the restaurant she's like, who's that my friend?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
She's like, oh, man, I appreciate you coming through rem
I wish you nothing but success, and like you said,
you got that exit plan.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I hope you go down there.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I hope, I hope it goes down. You know what
it is, your rock solid. We always bring the realists
in the building. Rem bang we in the building.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
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Speaker 1 (39:51):
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