February 3, 2026 • 50 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Zab Judah — The boxing legend steps into the booth for a raw and candid conversation that bridges the worlds of the ring and hip-hop. Known as “Super,” Judah breaks down his journey from the gritty streets of Brooklyn to global boxing prominence, sharing the discipline, mindset, and hustle it took to become a multi-division world champion—while never losing sight of his roots.
As the conversation unfolds, Zab dives deep into his personal evolution, the clashes and triumphs that defined his career, and the cultural parallels between battling in the ring and battling for relevance in the music game. With Memphis Bleek guiding the dialogue, the two explore how hip-hop and boxing have influenced each other, the importance of loyalty and resilience, and the lessons that come from living life ten toes down. Listeners get untold stories about life behind the spotlight, the grind that never stops, and the fuel it takes to stay ROC Solid no matter the arena.
Whether you’re a fight fan, a hip-hop head, or both, this episode delivers gems you won’t hear anywhere else — authentic, unfiltered, and built on legacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
at Drink Champs.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You should nobody know you should nobody?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You know what it is, back with another exclusive rock
Solid podcast. And I'm here with my bro, and I
mean my Brooklyn bro. He knocks it out literally when
he put that pain in. You know what he do now?
He out here in Vegas, big family man, married like me,
moving around, got all the brothers out here knocking shit
(00:43):
out from Brooklyn to Vegas to La. You know what
it is, man, I make some noise for my dude,
Zab and the motherfucking build it Zadjudiah, the one headed quittery.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
What's up, my brother? How you been man? Blessed?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I appreciate you. Put up, man, I appreciate it. Niggas
don't know. We've been in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
A lot, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know what I'm saying. Long time, YO, talk about
that a c fight. Were just out there talking about it.
This was back in what like two oh three?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
This is this is so, this is the night that
Don King put on the biggest, the biggest show of
the night of the Yeah, I mean of the century.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It was Hopkins, I see Rock Monk, Corey Spinks, Holy
phil Uh, it was me. It was just Champ. It
was so many champions. A champion for champion was the
biggest car. And I told everybody, I said, well, we
all can't fight because I can't fight you heavyweights. But
(01:45):
one thing I can do is I'm still the best
fighter of the night.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I went in there and called the first boun knockout.
And and how I promised Bleak was I told Bleak,
I said, Bleak, before you make it to your seat,
I bet excuse me.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Before Bleak made it to his seat, he was turning
back around to come. That's right, you're on his back
packets and.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And O G and Holve was right there watching.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hole missed the whole thing. When it turns his head back,
he was looking like like, yo, what happened is over
my g Like literally, I never forget I got the call.
You hit me like, Yo, Bleak, I want you to
walk me out to the ring, walk me to the
ring on the fight.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm like, hell, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Then we we were getting the dress rooms son back there,
do you know, hitting the bag, you know, getting warmed up.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And I said, y'all just thought.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'm like, yo, zad, we can't go out here and
lose this fight, my nigga, we gonna look bad. I
think it's like lose lose cleek. Watch this, like he
said before I got to my seat. Over over, let's
go party, blaz. We're gonna watch the rest of Let's
Go Party first round. And we had a good time.
(02:46):
Yeah it turned up, yo, But let's go back for
the people. You know, they always want to know the
beginning the story. They you know, from Brooklyn everything. What
was it like for you growing up in Brownsville at
that era, that time?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And yeah, you know growing up Brownsville. You know, I
was born in seventy seven, you know, you know, so
I had you know, you know, I came outside in
the eighties. I was outside in the eighties. Eighties was
no the early eighties. I'm talking them, no joke, no camera,
that's no camera. That eighty eighty one, eighty two three
like it was. It was mean, you know what I'm saying,
(03:20):
And uh, yeah, I man, you know, I seen the epidemic.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I've seen I've seen crack come.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I've seen the come and tear everything up, smash everybody out.
I've seen the environment, everything changed, and I just stay strong.
I mean, you know, thank God for my mother. I
had a strong mother with me, and I had a
strong father. You know, my father kept us in boxing.
I started boxing at the age of five years old
because my father was a People would say when I
say five years old, they say, how the fuck did
you fight a fire? I started training at five years old.
(03:48):
My dad introduced the game to us around five years old,
because that's the that's the only to me as a trainer. Now,
I know, you can't train the kid more earlier than that.
Why they don't have the fund the learning fundamentals of
stay focused to learn boxing before the age.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You know what I'm saying, five years.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Old is something where you can start introducing them to
them by showing them tapes and pitchures and stuff like that.
Then there'll be more, you know what I'm saying, A
better for the situation.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, that was one of my choirs.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Gonna ask you how did your father impact you know what,
I mean, your boxing? Because I know he he carried
the legacy first and then passed it on to you,
your brothers, and then now you passing it on to
your children. It's like, did you the legacy? Listen, don't
run up on these niggas talking shit now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It was right.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They gonna put you on your back pockets. You ain't
gonna last one round. That's a fact. That's a your fact.
At what age did you know like, I'm not just good,
I'm not God.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So my amateur career I was. My amateur record from
six years old to eighteen was one hundred and fifteen
fights and only five losses. And I went to the
nineteen ninety six Olympics. So you know, I want golden
gloves three times. I want all of the tournaments national
golden gloves. So I feel like I took amateur boxing
(05:07):
from the bottom of the bottom, always at the top
of the top, because Olympics there's no higher to go,
you know what I'm saying. So I did that then
transformitt it right from there at eighteen years old to
a professional turn turn pro eighteen years old September twenty,
nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
By twenty years.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Old, I was the champion of the world crazy. So
I want to tell you all these numbers like this
guy because I want you to understand the timeline that's
right of how it happened for me, you know what
I'm saying, So you can understand. So when you hear
other stories about me, you can kind kind of understand. Okay,
I'll see why. I see why that was like that.
You know what I'm saying. It was a fast, a
(05:47):
fast transition. It was quick. Eighteen years old, you turn professional.
I turned professional under Pernaial Whittaka. I'm Pernal Whitika. I'm
fighting old Wittiger called Boom. Twenty years old. I'm Champer
of the world, world Champer of the world.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know what I'm saying. You move every movie.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So now I'm the son of Brooklyn. That's the center
of Brooklyn. And there's no boxer coming out doing what
I'm doing. You know what I'm saying, Like you know
what I'm saying now, I'm meaning big, I meaning whole,
I'm I'm you know what I'm saying. It was everywhere
this movement. Foxy, Yeah already, Yeah, you was Brooklyn's son
for sure. You was probably only Brooklyn niggas that got
(06:24):
Foxy and Little Kim videos. You know what I'm saying,
They didn't messing with each other and they heard you
was messing up.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's a fact that the first ship You're the first
athlete Rockefeller Rock relationship.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I believe they son.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Like so so no, I'm gonna take it back. It
was only Rockefeller, nothing else, No Rock Nation. No, it
wasn't even Rockaway yet Rockaway. It was because Rock came out.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You was the first one modeling there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, you ain't lying, damn that's the team. Yeah, first
you and then Sebastian Telfa. Yeah, damn, man, we had Brooklyn.
We was rocking Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Eything. Well you know, I mean we had whole leading us.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know what I'm saying. So, I mean, you know,
you know what they say, when you got a good leader,
everything gonna be gucci.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Your style of boxing, like you know what I mean,
every box I felt like had their own style, but
you came with the swag like you bought that like
style and swag like the street. Like I felt like
you was the first boxer that really represented what we represent,
like an artist, like like you know boxes Mike Tyson
(07:39):
is Mike Tyson, like, you.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Know what I mean, Muhammad Ali is Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like it's like when Ai first played basketball with the braids,
with the shorts hanging sagging, that's how you was you
in the ring with the with the trucks. Yeah, yeah,
pulling up all Brooklyn ship everything. It was like you
it was almost like you were a rapper, but you
were a boxer. So like, how did you feel about
(08:05):
being the one to introduced that to the boxing world,
that style, that Brooklyn swag?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
It was bleak when you was when it was happening,
I didn't realize it wasn't no no, no recollection of
like Zab, you're taking epidemic a fighter's transitioning into the
music world.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I didn't know. I didn't. I had no kind of
knowledge of that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
As it started to move to move on, you know
what I'm saying, I could see how because when I
was doing the whole video of people was coming to
me like yeah, yo, zab yoyo.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well I'm jay Z Jesus, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Z y'all still get that question today, your random niggas
see me in the airport Yo, tell J I said,
what's up?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Like, like I got you?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, And I'm like, bro, I if I burned into him,
I'll let him know. You know what I'm saying, yeahziness, craziness,
but uh, I mean you know what it was, dope,
I was in. I was embraced by the whole Rockefeller family.
You know what I'm saying, Hope bring me in and
you know, kept us around and going from video to
video and coming to the studios and you know, forty
(09:17):
forty that was that was that was.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That was the office, blinking, that was the office.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That back room. A lot of a lot of money
talk in that backroom.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Man, it was shout out the desert, shout out to
the balls.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, world the desert.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And that's what I was saying, Like you always moved
like a star, Like what made it intentional? With your
image and your interests, Like because your interest is to
the fights with specially bro's like you. I go on
YouTube to this day and watch your fights, like because
you was.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That you was that guy.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Man, if nobody never told I know you knew, Like
you said twenty years old, you're the fucking champion of
the world.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So you knew, but you feel.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like you know, you know why, because they play a
person in front of you that say this guy might
could beat you. So now in your mind, all of
that tough debo guys stuff that go out the window.
You're like, what, all right, let me start watching who him?
Or we got tape, let me look at it. But
before you could have came in, they king Kong. So
they told you that. You're like, now you look at him,
(10:19):
he came back to your side again, you know what
I'm saying. So people didn't realize that. So so every
new challenge you take on, there's different obstacles, you know
what I'm saying. So I had to prepare myself for
the obstacle that was at hand.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And how is that? Like that's that ship?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I never even thought about that, Like, yeah, they tell you, hey,
you're gonna fight this nigga. Now you gotta watch tape
on them. Yeah, perfect his moves. Know what he liked
to do is damn that's ill. You gotta study.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like, but no matter what, no matter what, who, no
matter who he fights, somebody gonna say I want him.
Somebody say I want him, So you might just run
into all his people and like, yo, yo, we think
he gonna beat you, and you're like, I think I
could get who is a fight? Let me go look
at it. Now you're studying the person. Now you're going
you checking, and you're going, Okay, I gotta keep this
(11:07):
up because he throw that a lot. Well, I gotta
do this and do that, you know what I'm saying.
But you brung him back down to your size, that's right.
And then when you beat him, you go back to
King College and you know what I'm saying, I mean,
like this is crazy. And then the next fight they
come and say, but now we got He's like he
do this. Now you're like, okay, back every time you
going in there, you always bringing guys back then. And
(11:27):
I think for me it worked out great like that
because the times that I didn't look at life or.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Boxing like that. You know what I'm saying. The other
thing happened.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
He took a defeat. We don't take it serious. You're like, yo,
who I'm fighting? Oham, it's I got this. Yeah, we're
gonna go to Miami for you're supposed to be in
the gym. You're going to hang out in Miami and
you over here you at the you know what I'm saying.
So that's a fact. That was one thing that I
ran into and.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
One thing though, niggas with that, even with that being said,
out of all the boxes, I feel like you one
of the only niggas who never duck no smoke ever.
Now you fought them all, my nigga, line them up,
didn't matter who was there.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I don't even know how to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's what I feel like a lot of these niggas.
You know, I'll fight you when it's convenient for them.
Like you know what I'm saying. The way to you,
you know, getting at the telling of your career, didn't
call you out.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know what, I didn't care.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know what, I guess it was the Brooklyn upraising upraising,
Like you know, you came outside and you went to
the park. You know, you might fight him today, him tomorrow.
He got a cousin that just came from North Carolina.
Now you gotta fight him, Joe.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You can't my cousins cut comes.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, you know, so that's you know what I'm saying.
That's that that's kind of crazy right here here. You
run through them kind of things there, You know what
I mean, so that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
What what would what fight would you say define your career?
Like your favorite fight out of them all?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I can't really say it's no particular one fight because
every fight put another stamp to your passport, if that
should makes sense. You know what I'm saying, Like because
I got stuff that happened in my early career that
people talk about. Mickey Ward for him in ninety eight
and hit me with a body shot and like like
like almost I thought it was over. You know what
(13:19):
I'm saying. I got to the corner, you know how
like so you know how you me in the corner
my dad head and the camera right here at HBO camera.
So I'm trying to whis on my dad on this
egg because I went the camera here. I'm like, yo,
think he broke my ribs. You know, no gubage now listen.
(13:40):
So I'm trying to you know, and my dad, you know,
he hyped hell what I'm like, I mean, he wrote
he broke he said what he said?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
He said where I said right here?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
He said funk that you the other side, use the
other side, ride me, scoop me up, pull the water
my mouth, and I'm back out there like, oh, I
just told you broke, I can't. I can't even breathe
no more, and you got to go back out there
and fight. So you know, that's a fight that happened
early in my career that people say, you know, that
was my my my bridge, the bridge of Zab going
(14:14):
to you know, from being regular Zad to superstar Zapp,
that's right. And then from there, I mean, of course
people going to I mean, then you got the Corey
Spinks fight when I went to Saint Louis, he came
out with Nelly.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean that that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Was epic, you know what I'm saying that I remember that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
The second fight was more intriguing, But people don't understand
on the business aspect. You know, I lost, but I won,
you know what I'm saying. The first fight I received
like one point five million. The second fight, I received
one hundred thousand dollars. And told me like, listen, you
know you're being blessed for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know what I'm saying. I was promoted by Don King,
you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, he had both
of us. He said, listen, man, you.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Want another shot. I ain't got no money. I ain't
got no money.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But I mean if you could, if.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You could, if you can go over there and shake it,
make something happen, then we could do something.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
What was it like working with Dog because he got
a bad rep? I mean I made a lot of
money though bleak.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That's what I'm saying. I always that's what I know.
He put a lot of money in a lot of bread.
Then you hear you see the movies, you hear the
stories niggas like Dog was a crook sticking niggas up with.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I think that when he he he good at he
good at like like I don't know like he good
at like by like like he'll call you and buy
you something, yo, blake, what up? Go outside? Look outside?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You look outside as the new road boom.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I can't wait that you were when you get to
you know how, when you get the new road, pull
up to your house and y'all, but you're not.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Thinking about most paying for this? Who got with the
title act? Who name is?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Not?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
At eighteen twenty? That means nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You with the nearest club like with my first outfit,
Let me go and let me go put your with
Joe at yo, Blake, Yo, let's go. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They got to turn up.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You ain't think about nothing else, you know what I'm saying.
So it's you know what I mean, at young agent,
But he knew how to do that. And then now
you go get it and then he'll let you fight, fight, fight,
and if you're good here you fight running up. Now
you go get a big fight. You just want the
tile on dispute it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You know what I'm saying. You made a couple and.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
He slided a little that little three, a little three
eighty five in them. You know three eighty five is
that's a that's a that's a big chunk for you.
You know what I'm saying. When the nigga flying that
ship under you know what I'm saying. At one point
five little you know what three eighty five for?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
What over that?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
You know that that that billy? What why when the
bill come later?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Remember you don't get this to later. You don't go
to call months, you don't want to call no more.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, Oh I gotta pay for it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I'm cool, you know what I'm saying. And the whole
time you thinking you got over. Yeah, I got that nigga.
Nigga bought me a Bentley nigga. But you know I'm
his number one nigga. That's why you He better spend
that breath and then you that's the money you spent.
That's money you spend. You know what I'm saying. But
he's gonna turn around, spend the block and go get
your another back. So all that old ship that you
mad about, you just good.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Oh I'm good. You back, you back, perky cham cham chap.
I gotta.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I got a big one for your baby, A big one.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think, come to you.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I got a big one for you, man, Corey Spence.
Can you can you can you beat that Corey Spence? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I got him for you. Brother, I got him.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But listen, man, ain't nothing of that bucket over there,
the bucket, and the bucket is empty. But the opportunity, brother,
I said, the opportunity, Yo, nigga said, the bucket is empty. Bucket.
And then you start to think as a fighter. Now
(17:47):
you're man, your ego, your pride. Nigga can't beat me,
You can't beat me. I had him the first time. Yeah,
I want to fight you just forgot about the little
little nigga.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You had a record company. Oh my Jesus Christ, with
the rape the industry.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
But what I say, I don't want to I don't
want to say all bad things about the key because
I made a lot of bread a lot of people.
I made a lot of bread. I mean, he introduced
me to some great people. He interroeswed me to a
great lifestyle. You know what I'm saying. He you know
he he wasn't you know? He was a He was
a great guy. Besides, I think that he had old
fashioned business mentality.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He came for that year. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Like, you know what I'm saying that three for me,
that one for you, ship that three for me, one
for you, three for me for you and nigga, what nigga,
I gave you something? Be happy with that and you like,
all right, all right? But every time if you good,
it's the opportunity. So the opportunity is bigger than what
that little money y'all beefing about, because it is because
(18:57):
the opportunity bigger than that, you know what I'm saying.
So for me, fight Corey Spence and win the undisputed championship.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Of the world.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You know what that means that that's like back in
those days, that was unheard of.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
People wasn't doing that. You know what I'm saying, endorsement deal.
Everybody just coming at in that bag at you.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm looking at I looked at it different. I didn't
care about the the money keep that you got that being.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Young and and receiving all that money like that, because
I know, man, shit, I'm a Brooklyn nigga just like you. Bro,
I'm eighteen years old, twenty years old, buying my first crib,
getting my first bends.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, seeing that, why we all go over there? Why
we all went.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Everybody used to beat up at the seventh eleven. Yes,
four boys.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Fact y'all. Yoah, that's tracy.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What was it like?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like, how did you maintain like because you're not one
of those guys who blew it all because you can say,
like I got a nugget here from Dawn, but you
still learn how to make that nugget last. You know
what I'm saying, Like, how was that for you being
young that young? Because that's not easy, bro, A lot
of niggas doesn't Blue they bag.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I Thank God for my father, you know having him
right there, you know, him coming from Brooklyn born and
raised and you know, knowing how to shake him baked
from the seventies and six, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So he was able to go, yo, listen, what's our
next move?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
We get like he always was one of those that
either gave me the idea or sparked the ship up,
like yo, yo, yo, you ever thought about this?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I never thought about that. You know, yo, you
talk about your.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Fucking all that while we're going through what we're going through.
Let's go start out on Yeah, how we how.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We do that?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I want to know. I was a fighter.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I was I was a fighter in the gym, doing this,
doing that. All I know is that I would look
at my father and go, oh, I like that. I
want that, and it's there, Yeah, sure, gonna make sure
I got it. He's gonna make sure he's dead. Gonna
make sure I got it, you know what I'm saying.
And it's done. And by him kept seeing my potential
as as you know, as as it went with the pros,
he started going, okay, yeah, this is this is him
(21:08):
and he dedicated more time and time and time and
time and with me everywhere him and my uncle Jimmy.
You know what I'm saying, piece of Uncle Jimmy, Yo,
that was my right hand.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I ain't gonna front this. Niggas gonna be mad me
saying this.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
He gonna want to see me and be like bleak,
come on, I gotta come up on rock solid now.
But I ain't gonna front. You're the only nigga who
put that pain on Floyd, and you know the whole
everybody know that. They tried to say it wasn't or not.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
That was a knock knockdown. That was a knockdown. So listen,
we just say the way.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I gotta give you a five for that because Floyd
put that pain there, so to be one to you
and Sugar Shane is the only ones I seen that
really rattled that tank.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It was like my nigga.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I was, Oh, you that nigga many appreciate.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I heard up.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I was that fight because y'all, homies, that was people's
before to fight. I remember you even saying that he was.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Tired and he's to come to Brooklyn in Brooklyn, New York,
all that. You know what I'm saying. I went with
I came to Vegas and hang out with him and
vice versa. You know, I think in that fight, in
my eyes, what I seen from my sight with money,
that's what That's what got it. Because you know what
I'm saying, because Mike Tyson told us this. I remember,
you know, fast forward it was Burrow Tight. We were
(22:22):
sitting at mic house and Mike said, Might looked at us,
was in the cop. I said, y'all gonna, y'all gonna fight.
We're like, man, it's my brother.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I let his nigga. He said, you know what I'm
gonna fights. The money, brother, The money. The money. Brother,
You're not gonna be to deny it. No, No, I
ain't no money.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
What brother, They're gonna give you so much money. Brother,
You're gonna look at that nigga like he the devil
sitting there.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I swear a true story and he never lied.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yo said, they're gonna get so much money, nigga, They're
gonna look at him like he's the devil. Your brother, nigga.
He didn't come at your mother pussy, nigga.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Oh you know how I talk, Mike.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Don't give And I'm like, Yo, we're sitting there. No,
we both sitting there and he telling us this ship
and I.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Want to come out your mother pussy nigga.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Young, he said, But it's not a it's not a
bad things supposed to do. If you my brother, you
say you my brother, then let's fight.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
We choose this. Nobody signed us.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Up for this.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We choose to fight, that's right. We choose to be worried.
So how do you accommodate me? And I would sport
that were in as gladiators.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We fight.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
That shit crazy, it's wicked, and yo, ain't it crazy?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But it's about it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's the same mentality as Shorty's in the hood because
then we laugh and joke without with our homies. You
fight each other and then be right back eating the
sandwich other. Let's split a here, let's split a whole
ge your hero together. So it was the same thing,
and we did it for no money. Niggas that have
a rock fight hit the homie too. Now y'all gotta
fight five minutes and you're back having a rock fight again,
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Like shit was real. So I could see that mentality,
especially Mike being from the same place, Brownsville, Brownville. Your
niggas had to fight that is like, yo, yeah, niggas
fought in y'alls.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
School, ain't I fought my whole block, my whole neighborhood.
They know't see this. They know I fort everybody and
love I see nigga, they tell me start, I'd be like, yo,
my nigga, let me tell you. I used to be
sick because you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I grew up without a father, my g and you know,
in summer, my my grandmoms is from Brownsville. I had
a grandmother lived in Tilden, and my aunt and them
lived in Rockaway Projects. And then I have family and
Marcus Gorvey all right there. So my summers I spent
in Brownsville. You know what I'm saying. So when I
used to go back to school and niggas be like, yo,
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we he was at for the summer. Teacher start asking
niggas like, yeah, I was in Virginia. I was in
South Carolina. They get to meet I was at Brownsville.
To be looking at me like I'm glad you're still
with us. I'm because it was like I'm going from
the star to the vill.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It was like wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Then I used to go out there and see how
much fighting y'all niggas did. Because back in the sty
niggas like what you said, bang bang bang. In the ville,
niggas like what you said, knuckle up, nigga, knuckle.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But thig about it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We didn't come from the video game era, you know
what I'm saying. We was even before Atari.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know that ship. We was before Tar.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
We watched a try be birth in our hands for
your son, he gonna be like pop, nigga, like.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
This one of choice, nigga.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That ship was terrible. But everything so.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Before that, what we had to do go outside and
we used to build go cut. You had to go
outside and make shit happened. You had to do ship,
like really had to go outside.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I think that's only a Brooklyn game.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know. Niggas out of Chail don't know about Skelley.
You go to certain certain cities and be like yo,
y'all play Skelley. Niggas like, what's that? I think that
was only a Brooklyn game. Skelley by g or god
that that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
So Skelley, you put that wax in that, you put
that clay in the that top like you spent all
night doing your clay.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I know we used to be up doing the clay dumping.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It back, don't look right. Yeah, you gotta have a
style because your time.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Had to the flyers fire.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You had the fire.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Did y'all play Skelley like roofies? You like a nigga lose?
You get the rufous top rufus top about it. That's
going to throw the sewer right the sewer you got you? Yeah,
play for the top there, nigger top yeo.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
We play dodgeball and suicide.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Soon as I put the box into the hold the nigga.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Siga steam nigga y'all suicide?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh man, that was the Day's my cheek fucking But
you're in this business.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I watched you, right you you dealt with losses, satbacks,
you know what I mean, controversy through all of that.
How did you maintain your mental and like you know,
like these kids say, never crash out, bro, Like you
know what I'm saying, You ain't.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Never did nothing. Wow where you in the media and
were like damn, look at zav You know.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
What I'm saying. I think it's because of my amateur
career that I won so much and was in such
a prestigious place for so long that you know, by
the time that I even got my loss. You know,
my my first loss was because Zoo. But by the
time I even got there, I was just numbed to
the fact that, yo, I'm great. So even when the
loss came, I still say, that's not a loss, that's
(27:35):
a lesson. That's why, because I know what not to
do next time. I'm gonna get another sucker up watching
the next time I come back, seven more body.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know, then you catch another learning lesson. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Okay, okay, but but I'm I'm even in my learning lessons.
I'm bodying it.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Go look at my losses, y'all. I'm bodying and the
law You're like, it's going like this, the whole fight is.
You're like, you know what the coodof You're like, wow,
that was that was amazing. That's right, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So you never dug no smoke, man, Like, we can't
beat everybody, but we definitely ain't gonna run from no
nobody never never, And that and that right there hold
more weight than any than anything, because, like I say,
I lost many fights in the street.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
But I bet you the niggas I lost to don't
want to fight again. I want to fight again, you
know what I'm saying. Because it wasn't an easy w
wasn't you and mine was different? You beat me, you
gotta fight the youter brothers.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
That's more of us.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You got the whole family with a knuckles.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Ten of us. It's ten of us, all of us.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It wasn't a lot of guns. It wasn't It was
one gun to like ten niggas. So having four brothers
that could fight, and.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That was like having ten guns. Nigga have four brothers,
burn up, burnt up. That's a fact, real story, right.
So it was so like we was, you know, in
the daily news, Golden Gloves and in the news all
the time that they would not allow us to go
to the same high school. I went to wing Gate,
my other brother went to midwhere my oldie brother went
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to Grady.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Like.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
They said, no, y'all can't just go to one school,
he said, And we said why, He said, because if
one of y'all get into an altercation, we know all
of y'all are coming out, and we can't.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We don't have no no professional security break up. No,
y'all can't all go to school, yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
We was even talking out there when you was talking
about the change Clothes video.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Shoot, dang man. You know else me and Dame on
good terms.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Man. We had a call with Norwy right where we
made a pat where he was like, Yo, we're gonna
make a truce. Nobody get on these platforms and disrespect
each other, right, And then he went on and dissed
me again.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Like that's my bigga, But you just brought up a memory.
You like your plea.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I mean, look, I didn't even know that you like
yo change clothes video. Shoot you and Dane was going
add it my nigga, yo. But I'm gonna give you
the context behind that. Right we was in the room,
he was telling State Property and all of them that
they're gonna retire like Hole. Because remember he was doing
the Fade the Black album, The Faid the Black concert
(30:17):
was coming up and we was doing to Change the Clothes.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So he back there telling anybody they gonna retire like Hole.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And you know, me, the reality guy of the crew,
we ain't retiring like Hole, none of us.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
We fucked up.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
If he quit, we better go get some jobs, nigga.
So Dane was mad that I was talking like that
and was and he said, Yo, you act like you
ain't with us. If you ain't with us, nigga, I
drop you from Rockefeller, y'ah, ain't gonna fronts there. That
shit sent me off the roof. That's why I was
(30:53):
that hot, like you gonna what what? Ain't no fucking way.
So that's why I was like, no, you gotta come outside.
We gotta fight.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
D hold on, hold on, can't tell you what I see?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I see. I was there guy in the video, Shane Clo,
I what I'm bleak.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Niggas don't fuck.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I don't give I don't yo, And he had, wait,
who is that holding you? It was your man, Murder.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Murder Murder was holding. I don't give a fuck. These
niggas don't know. I gotta show these niggas.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm tired of playing with these niggas. I gotta show
these niggas. So me Joe said about like, wait, wait,
who are you talking to? I said, Yo, The nigga said, dang,
I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna show these niggas.
I'm not playing.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Don't play with my man name.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I mean not like that pause. It was like like
it was like you know, like you're talking about holding
that hole, like don't play with our names.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
He said it will drop me right nigga, you ain't
signed me, but it's my company. And I'm like, what
fuck that?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I that?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I was, I was right there right there. That was crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Gave me the major threat. That's a that's a threat,
your threat and artist drop you, nigga?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
What crazy? We gotta fight now?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Remember Dame the o G So I'm even mad that
it's even a public too public, Yes, jus to argue
with like that, bro, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's why. And I never me and Dame never had
a face to face. I don't think since that day crazy.
I spoke him on the phone, but I never seen
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Dame again. Bro.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's crazy to me, like he.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Got he got different energy, he got, you know, plusing
to give me boxing to you know he listen, that
ain't no work with him.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Know that ain't no sucker. Ladies, you got to approach
Dame with that pissed caution. He was, he gonna he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Give it to you that he's gonna give it to you.
You know how to fight, ain't. I've been in the
gym with him, Chelsea piss, I've been in It's way back.
I see game fight Keith Murray by Nigga Orleans bro
outside no gloves Keith Murray, Brawler at the Airport by
Nigga Wild.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So like no, dame't know how to fight. I ain't
gonna all niggas that went through just who got sucked up.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Nobody got sucked up.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But they didn't hit Damon there with a bottle. That's
when he got hit Dad with the battle. We got
the stitches, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Different had some.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Brawls, man, Keith Murray, niggas different, The niggas was wild.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
We had major brawls.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
That's back then, man. But it ain't about us.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
We here with you. They gotta legend zab you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So when did you realize your career was bigger than
the boxing ring?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
He still never never?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I never never, man, I always. You know what it
come a town when they say it's a stigma. It
says you only as good as your last fight. You
know what I'm saying, So you only is good at
the last thing that you did in the ring, you
know what I'm saying. So when it comes to a
standpoint when maybe a couple of years go by and
you didn't do anything, what is your worth now?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What is your network?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So it's not even a game about nobody telling you
that this is your mental These are the games that
boxers play, the mental games with their self, you know
what I'm saying, Like, Damn, I ain't been the ring
in a while. Am I still that good?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I mean, but but but but they we questioned ourselves,
I'm damn, am I doing? Do I still got it?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I went to the gymer to day. My ship wasn't
wasn't cracking like how I was cracking with that Mayweather fight.
I ain't got that, you know what I'm saying. So
you started playing psychological game with yourself and then that's
when the seas coming me. I ain't gonna lie bleak Brooklyn.
I was one of those that that shit didn't play
with me. I ain't play with it. Sooner I find
that punkshit going on, I go to the gym and train,
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or I go running. I'll do I'll go outside we
do we do some wild ship and I'm like, it
go right out my brain. Yeah, you know what I mean.
So that's what when people see me back in the
days turned up to the max, that's probably I was
trying to get that that sucking ship off my chest.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know what I'm saying. I was out with myself, you.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Know what I mean, bounces and nightclubs, these big seven
niggas that I had fights with, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
New York City like a lot, like I'm going now,
I'm tell him I'm knocking somebody out.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, Like it's crazy. The ton I don't forget about
Jesus christ Man. Listen, I got my man. After I
forgot my man, the head guy named the black Dude,
I forgot anybody got cool.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I know it was crazy, you know what the nigga
all of them was police. There was all police. There
was all.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It was all police, the undercover police. Glenn Man, Glenn
all them hip hop. But Glenn, I tell you I
was fighting this. I was fighting his workers. He's like,
I was like, call me that, what's wrong with you?
That big nigga told me he's gonna pick me up
and throw me out of the door.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
In my head, No, we ain't having that, yo.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
They used to wile niggas up in the turn security
with violate niggas, man violate. How you all bloodied the
fuck up in the ton It was crazy, yo, That's
what I'm saying. As a boxer, Like you know, a
lot of boxes now they try to affiliate with hip
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hop and you know, have artists come out walk them out.
I say, like you was the first one to transition
that one because you're not only Rockefeller, you even had
the links with dip set, like you said Foxy Kim.
Like a lot of artists you turn on any music
video back in the early the late nineties early two thousands,
Zad was in them, like how did your hip hop affiliation?
(36:41):
Did these artists used to reach out to you or
it just was like fuck, I'm outside, nigga, I'm just
pulling up blink.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I was in a tunnel and jay Z and Master
If he came alaha remember that night? Do you remember
that night when he did?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It was real tard dick. What I'm saying, I'm going
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
You know what I'm saying. You know, I just understood.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I never knew how you got with the dip set crew,
like how that relationship started to.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Just going to Harlem, girl shaking girls people, Brownville with
stupid heart. I got my.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Brothers and they're like, you know, Joe Joe studying.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Chow.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You call the phone and hall of what, let's go
we out.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You're gonna shout out Joe, Joe word, you know Joe.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He following them, following them all.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yo, I'm coming, I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I want to wait.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
We in Harlem now we were, we were Vava's up.
We were so we chilling cam and all them coming through.
You know they ain't looking. But no, me can't have relationship.
And we live in t neck from the plane basketball course.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Here we go back. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All the rappers, that was rap up Rose, that was
you know, I said, wrap up road crazy and never
got cool, you know, from him seeing me and harlling
and bugging out and me with my with my crew,
and it was cool. It was record cool. All niggas.
Then we used to come outside kick on the bucket.
I didn't drink and smoke back then, but I will
always come outside and.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Kick it with him. Crack jokes, bug for like an
hour or two and then blow out.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
You know me, I was looking for other things, you
know what I'm saying, Like I had a rabbit trap
on the ground. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I respected you too, like after life, after boxing, you
still involved, Like because Devin Haney, you know what I mean.
Now you say all the time that's my family. I
seen them as a baby grow up, so I know
you had some input on that. As Pops is man cool.
You know my dog fresh Sea lot them. You tell
me Devin gonna beat the world, up beat the world.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know what I'm saying, Man, I appreciate where Devin
is at today because you know how these blick is
like you would hove. You know what I'm saying. I'm
pretty sure I hope it's proud of you. I mean
like it's the other way around. You probably like Lily
like what my we came from around and now look,
you know what I'm saying. So that's how I feel
with I seen Devin come in the gym first day
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number one. You know what I'm saying, He walked out
with me home my belt and now he's the undisputed
multiple time doing this you know what I'm saying, breaking records,
youngest crazy champion. His name is mentioned in every boxing
conversation that people could talk about, you know what I'm saying.
So when you're a part of something like that, you
gotta you you gotta feel proud, like what what right there?
(39:24):
They won?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And Bill?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
One thing I love about Bill and I tell everybody
to me, he was a He's a very brilliant guy.
Why he don't come from boxing. He come from the streets.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But he said, you know what, I hear about them
all the time, anybody from the West. They mentioned his
pop's a real one.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's a real one.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I'm telling you straight, like he come from the streets.
So he said, you know what, Devin want to box
DEVI want a box. We met Yo, Dev want to
box Yo. Bring him to the gym. Her bunk he
bunk deaf At the gym we started working out a
little bit like that. He said, you know what, I
gotta put him to my boy. He opened the gym.
He opened the gym up.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
You know what I'm saying. It was our gym. We
had our own gym.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Is this is in I'm talking about. This is like
maybe oh seven seven o seven out here. You know
what I'm saying, We're doing the gym. The gym's over.
Devin is a kid, Devin is little. Gym's opening his rocking.
But one thing I loved about him, he poured into
his kid. He said, if I'm gonna sit back and
put my son in something, I'm gonna get the best,
the best of the best. He opened the gym, he
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went and got my father was changing the first Then
he went to Big Floyd, Then he went to Freddie Roach.
Why he was going to the professional greatest people that
they said is the biggest in the game and teach
my son something. But the whole time what he was doing,
he was sitting there learning game the same time. So
why later on when I take this walk on my
son by myself, nobody could say that I'm not qualified
(40:47):
for the position. You know, every endeavor day that he's
ever learned, I sat in on. You know what I'm saying.
It was a devil student. Yeah, he was learning physical,
I was learning visual, you know what I'm saying. So
that right there, when you watch like I could say
I watched that, I've seen that, you know what I'm saying.
People say oh how you Bill Handy man, Bill, and
he is one of the smartest people in boxing.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
You know what I'm saying. I remember he went through
some ship to get in Australia.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he fell hard and look he
made it beat me by bye last minute, thirty seconds.
But there we go every box still and we're out
of it. You know what I'm saying. So when you
got that kind of blueprint in form that. Man, Listen,
you're rolling, you know the most with you. You know
what I'm saying, Right man, I'm saying, do you feel
like when it comes down the to the boxing world,
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do you feel like they give you enough credit to
the culture for what you contributed? I mean, as far
as what the boxing community gives me, you know what,
could be honest with you, that really doesn't worry me.
You know why when I come outside in these streets
and I talk to the people that's on the ground,
the real people, they tell me different.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
But that's what he me going. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I don't meet me like, oh yeah no, they said
what you did it?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
You did it?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Congratulations. I just want to hug you like that right there?
Is special to me. You know what I'm saying, Because
when I was getting in that ring, doing what I
was doing, I didn't know all these people was watching
me having zabd you to fight night parties. You know
what I'm saying. Like, I meet people now and they'd
be like, Yo, my pops was the biggest zab Judah
fan ever. We would shut the house down. He would
kick anybody out, And I'm like, wow, off of me.
(42:28):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's special to me.
So whenever I meet anybody, everybody ever met could tell you, yeah,
he's not He's ginging nobody here. He's gonna stop and
chop it up with you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
What's your take on the fight? Seeing today like the
boxes today, do you feel like they like you, not
ducking smoke or they just trying to make it a business.
Because when I look at it, I feel like these
guys building a brand. They not even trying to really
fight any right.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I feel like to a certain extent, that's the blueprint
now to make it to the top. You gotta watch
that oh and get it for far. You could get
it up the ladder before the negotiation starts with the
other big dogs. So that's the whole blueprint, because you know,
going up the ladder, if you take a fight that's
too hard or like that may be challenging and just
(43:14):
cough a bit, you get that l Now they look
at you and different.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Now you gotta go over there.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You want you in that lane. Set you You know
what I'm saying, you at the kiddy table down, go
up there, and you want to open this again.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
You know what I'm saying. You like, how did this happen?
Speaker 3 (43:31):
You know what I'm saying, How did this happen?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Right here?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
So so when it now you you know, this is
life outside the ropes. Now, what does your legacy? I
asked you, what does you think like? You know, do
the culture? What does your legacy mean to you? Life
after box?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
You know when I sit back and watch.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Alcolades in the videos and all of the fights, I
sit back and watch because yeah, it's been nice when
you know, my wife will tell you, I sit by
myself and I sit and watch my fights and old
stuff and just here and listen to commentators and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And yeah, I look back and I'm like Wow.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Sometimes I be amazed, like wow, I really was doing that,
Like I really was like that, Like that's that's crazy,
you know what I mean? So you know, I see
what I see, what I see what everybody see, But
I don't know it just don't it don't resonate, like
you know what I'm saying. Like right, so I sa thing, bro,
and I think that I'm still working hard and obtaining
(44:32):
other goals and pushing forward with other things that I
feel like if you sit in that place and you
just get comfortable, that's gonna go to your brain. So
I can't even look at what I did with boxing.
I can't look at them.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
That's over with.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I'm saying, that's over with. What I what I You know,
people asking a chant when you're gonna fight. I did
fifty seven. It's on YouTube. Check it out.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
You know what I'm saying, netflixing chill. You know what
I'm saying. You know what I mean. I got seven
of them.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You know what I'm saying. That's not it for me
unless I would choose to come out and do one
of the exhibitions or something like that.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
But other than that, I got fifty seven of them.
That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, they exhibitions, they throwing that bag around. I mean listen, man,
come on, you know what it is. Listen, what's my
man name from.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Dubai Hey, the whole Hogan. Yeah, throw that bag out.
We got some exhibition. That's a fact, yo yo.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
So what you know is the Brooklyn boy we always
get last.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
You know that they gonna they think we're gonna suck
it up. Yeah up, they think we're gonna play. We
ain't gonna suck the play out. They're gonna know we're
gonna play. We're gonna maximize the position.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
That's a fact. No, sleep, that's right.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Never when people say zab Judah, what do you want
your name to mean? Like say that because to me,
when I hear the name zab Judah, to me, now
this is as a fan as bro, just knowing you
watching your career legend legend Bro, like it's only when
(46:10):
when you think of Brooklyn and you think of fighting,
it's Mike Tyson and his zab Judah nigga and that's it.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
So what does that mean to you? Exactly what you.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Just said, that's right because coming from you, that's exactly
what it means I want the people to.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Say what they feel.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Bro, Listen.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
When I told everybody listen, I told you I was
just on the phone with Hove when you just called me, like,
what's the address. I was telling him about somebody from
the hood that I didn't know was locked up, and
I'm like, who the fuck do this nigga was locked up?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
He like I did.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
So I'm like, yo, he like where you at. I'm like,
I'm in Vegas. I'm about to go shoot this episode
with Zab. He like, no fucking way. I'm like, yeah,
like man tells Zab, I said, what's up. That's when
when I caught you back, I'm like, Yo, it's certain
niggas you could tell hold on.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Certain niggas you can't tell hold on. I heard no disrespect,
but I can't tell me hold on. I click back over.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's gonna be right. I already know man. Appreciate ll
No man, bro.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
He definitely said my love telling myself was man. He
was excited. So even Nori when I told everybody like,
no way, man, how you get in contact was that?
I had to tell him, Man, that's my bro, what
you mean. I never lost contact with that you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
You know this is crazy. I'm probably gonna go crazy,
but you know me know he's the fight as a kid.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
You fucking lie. So it was like Nory for every listen, No.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Listen, it was Noriega and left Frack City versus the
Judi brothers.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'm leaving at that.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Leave it at that, shill nor ain't hurt up nor
shout shout out to the sun shouting my brother Yo.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
So what's next for you?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Man?
Speaker 1 (47:56):
He's a Judah too. Word rest of peace? Bro.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Definitely, what's next for my Dude's a I know you
wait wait, I'll let you tell what's next.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
But you told me a part of what's next. We're
out here in Vegas just so happens.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
It's the A v. No War, you know, wars whoa.
My man Zach said, yeah, I'm out here for that.
What you're doing? He said, I got that line, So
I let you tell.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So. Yeah, it's a company that my wife, you know,
she actually she put it together. You know, Undisputed Toys.
We have a toy line, toy lines, so we have
different you know, uh uh all stuff. You know, we
have a special rabbit. It's very discreet, very discreet. Uh,
(48:45):
it's a rabbit. Three different functions on it.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
That that's that's not a business. Yeah, you know, I'm
just saying, like you know, the bunny is does the magic.
You know what I'm saying. We only got one feature.
You make it up with you know a different functions?
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Man, Yeah, yeah, damn yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Then you got the cigar ball popping out there? What's
up talking about that?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Man?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Sticks?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
We and woolen Hill's uh sticks a cigar ball.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
You know what I'm saying. Were on ventaur you know,
look us up, pop in.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
You know it's a private cigar ball, So you know,
call us up and come in and uh, let's make
it big.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Let's go up.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Anything else you want to let the people, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Just letting people know.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Man. I love everybody. Man, that's right. Thank you for
loving me, and you know what I'm saying. And even
if I don't know you, I love you. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Even if you didn't like me, I love you.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's right. That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Bro. I appreciate you for pulling up. You know, you
my brother, and you know I love you for life.
My nigga for life. Bro, I'm always on da boys.
And you know what it is, man, This is fuck Brooklyn.
This is rock solid. This is the most solid nigga
that's probably gonna touch this platform unless the big homie
pull up.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Stop playing with us that.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah, wait, I tell you too that you know that's
jay Z right, you know I'm ZJ Beckles Right. I'm
just saying that.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
You know what it is, y'all.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Rock solid Judah in the buildings, shout out the Judah Brothers,
the family, Brooklyn, egbody holding it down.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
This do save my fear for life. Rock solid, stay solid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
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Speaker 1 (50:36):
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What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
You should nobody know you should nobody?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You know what it is, back with another exclusive rock
Solid podcast. And I'm here with my bro, and I
mean my Brooklyn bro. He knocks it out literally when
he put that pain in. You know what he do now?
He out here in Vegas, big family man, married like me,
moving around, got all the brothers out here knocking shit
(00:43):
out from Brooklyn to Vegas to La. You know what
it is, man, I make some noise for my dude,
Zab and the motherfucking build it Zadjudiah, the one headed quittery.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
What's up, my brother? How you been man? Blessed?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I appreciate you. Put up, man, I appreciate it. Niggas
don't know. We've been in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
A lot, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know what I'm saying. Long time, YO, talk about
that a c fight. Were just out there talking about it.
This was back in what like two oh three?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
This is this is so, this is the night that
Don King put on the biggest, the biggest show of
the night of the Yeah, I mean of the century.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It was Hopkins, I see Rock Monk, Corey Spinks, Holy
phil Uh, it was me. It was just Champ. It
was so many champions. A champion for champion was the
biggest car. And I told everybody, I said, well, we
all can't fight because I can't fight you heavyweights. But
(01:45):
one thing I can do is I'm still the best
fighter of the night.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I went in there and called the first boun knockout.
And and how I promised Bleak was I told Bleak,
I said, Bleak, before you make it to your seat,
I bet excuse me.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Before Bleak made it to his seat, he was turning
back around to come. That's right, you're on his back
packets and.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And O G and Holve was right there watching.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hole missed the whole thing. When it turns his head back,
he was looking like like, yo, what happened is over
my g Like literally, I never forget I got the call.
You hit me like, Yo, Bleak, I want you to
walk me out to the ring, walk me to the
ring on the fight.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm like, hell, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Then we we were getting the dress rooms son back there,
do you know, hitting the bag, you know, getting warmed up.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And I said, y'all just thought.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'm like, yo, zad, we can't go out here and
lose this fight, my nigga, we gonna look bad. I
think it's like lose lose cleek. Watch this, like he
said before I got to my seat. Over over, let's
go party, blaz. We're gonna watch the rest of Let's
Go Party first round. And we had a good time.
(02:46):
Yeah it turned up, yo, But let's go back for
the people. You know, they always want to know the
beginning the story. They you know, from Brooklyn everything. What
was it like for you growing up in Brownsville at
that era, that time?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And yeah, you know growing up Brownsville. You know, I
was born in seventy seven, you know, you know, so
I had you know, you know, I came outside in
the eighties. I was outside in the eighties. Eighties was
no the early eighties. I'm talking them, no joke, no camera,
that's no camera. That eighty eighty one, eighty two three
like it was. It was mean, you know what I'm saying,
(03:20):
And uh, yeah, I man, you know, I seen the epidemic.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I've seen I've seen crack come.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I've seen the come and tear everything up, smash everybody out.
I've seen the environment, everything changed, and I just stay strong.
I mean, you know, thank God for my mother. I
had a strong mother with me, and I had a
strong father. You know, my father kept us in boxing.
I started boxing at the age of five years old
because my father was a People would say when I
say five years old, they say, how the fuck did
you fight a fire? I started training at five years old.
(03:48):
My dad introduced the game to us around five years old,
because that's the that's the only to me as a trainer. Now,
I know, you can't train the kid more earlier than that.
Why they don't have the fund the learning fundamentals of
stay focused to learn boxing before the age.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You know what I'm saying, five years.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Old is something where you can start introducing them to
them by showing them tapes and pitchures and stuff like that.
Then there'll be more, you know what I'm saying, A
better for the situation.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, that was one of my choirs.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Gonna ask you how did your father impact you know what,
I mean, your boxing? Because I know he he carried
the legacy first and then passed it on to you,
your brothers, and then now you passing it on to
your children. It's like, did you the legacy? Listen, don't
run up on these niggas talking shit now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It was right.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They gonna put you on your back pockets. You ain't
gonna last one round. That's a fact. That's a your fact.
At what age did you know like, I'm not just good,
I'm not God.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So my amateur career I was. My amateur record from
six years old to eighteen was one hundred and fifteen
fights and only five losses. And I went to the
nineteen ninety six Olympics. So you know, I want golden
gloves three times. I want all of the tournaments national
golden gloves. So I feel like I took amateur boxing
(05:07):
from the bottom of the bottom, always at the top
of the top, because Olympics there's no higher to go,
you know what I'm saying. So I did that then
transformitt it right from there at eighteen years old to
a professional turn turn pro eighteen years old September twenty,
nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
By twenty years.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Old, I was the champion of the world crazy. So
I want to tell you all these numbers like this
guy because I want you to understand the timeline that's
right of how it happened for me, you know what
I'm saying, So you can understand. So when you hear
other stories about me, you can kind kind of understand. Okay,
I'll see why. I see why that was like that.
You know what I'm saying. It was a fast, a
(05:47):
fast transition. It was quick. Eighteen years old, you turn professional.
I turned professional under Pernaial Whittaka. I'm Pernal Whitika. I'm
fighting old Wittiger called Boom. Twenty years old. I'm Champer
of the world, world Champer of the world.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know what I'm saying. You move every movie.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So now I'm the son of Brooklyn. That's the center
of Brooklyn. And there's no boxer coming out doing what
I'm doing. You know what I'm saying, Like you know
what I'm saying now, I'm meaning big, I meaning whole,
I'm I'm you know what I'm saying. It was everywhere
this movement. Foxy, Yeah already, Yeah, you was Brooklyn's son
for sure. You was probably only Brooklyn niggas that got
(06:24):
Foxy and Little Kim videos. You know what I'm saying,
They didn't messing with each other and they heard you
was messing up.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's a fact that the first ship You're the first
athlete Rockefeller Rock relationship.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I believe they son.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Like so so no, I'm gonna take it back. It
was only Rockefeller, nothing else, No Rock Nation. No, it
wasn't even Rockaway yet Rockaway. It was because Rock came out.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You was the first one modeling there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, you ain't lying, damn that's the team. Yeah, first
you and then Sebastian Telfa. Yeah, damn, man, we had Brooklyn.
We was rocking Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Eything. Well you know, I mean we had whole leading us.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know what I'm saying. So, I mean, you know,
you know what they say, when you got a good leader,
everything gonna be gucci.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Your style of boxing, like you know what I mean,
every box I felt like had their own style, but
you came with the swag like you bought that like
style and swag like the street. Like I felt like
you was the first boxer that really represented what we represent,
like an artist, like like you know boxes Mike Tyson
(07:39):
is Mike Tyson, like, you.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Know what I mean, Muhammad Ali is Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like it's like when Ai first played basketball with the braids,
with the shorts hanging sagging, that's how you was you
in the ring with the with the trucks. Yeah, yeah,
pulling up all Brooklyn ship everything. It was like you
it was almost like you were a rapper, but you
were a boxer. So like, how did you feel about
(08:05):
being the one to introduced that to the boxing world,
that style, that Brooklyn swag?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
It was bleak when you was when it was happening,
I didn't realize it wasn't no no, no recollection of
like Zab, you're taking epidemic a fighter's transitioning into the
music world.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I didn't know. I didn't. I had no kind of
knowledge of that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
As it started to move to move on, you know
what I'm saying, I could see how because when I
was doing the whole video of people was coming to
me like yeah, yo, zab yoyo.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well I'm jay Z Jesus, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Z y'all still get that question today, your random niggas
see me in the airport Yo, tell J I said,
what's up?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Like, like I got you?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, And I'm like, bro, I if I burned into him,
I'll let him know. You know what I'm saying, yeahziness, craziness,
but uh, I mean you know what it was, dope,
I was in. I was embraced by the whole Rockefeller family.
You know what I'm saying, Hope bring me in and
you know, kept us around and going from video to
video and coming to the studios and you know, forty
(09:17):
forty that was that was that was.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That was the office, blinking, that was the office.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That back room. A lot of a lot of money
talk in that backroom.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Man, it was shout out the desert, shout out to
the balls.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, world the desert.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And that's what I was saying, Like you always moved
like a star, Like what made it intentional? With your
image and your interests, Like because your interest is to
the fights with specially bro's like you. I go on
YouTube to this day and watch your fights, like because
you was.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That you was that guy.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Man, if nobody never told I know you knew, Like
you said twenty years old, you're the fucking champion of
the world.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So you knew, but you feel.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like you know, you know why, because they play a
person in front of you that say this guy might
could beat you. So now in your mind, all of
that tough debo guys stuff that go out the window.
You're like, what, all right, let me start watching who him?
Or we got tape, let me look at it. But
before you could have came in, they king Kong. So
they told you that. You're like, now you look at him,
(10:19):
he came back to your side again, you know what
I'm saying. So people didn't realize that. So so every
new challenge you take on, there's different obstacles, you know
what I'm saying. So I had to prepare myself for
the obstacle that was at hand.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And how is that? Like that's that ship?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I never even thought about that, Like, yeah, they tell you, hey,
you're gonna fight this nigga. Now you gotta watch tape
on them. Yeah, perfect his moves. Know what he liked
to do is damn that's ill. You gotta study.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like, but no matter what, no matter what, who, no
matter who he fights, somebody gonna say I want him.
Somebody say I want him, So you might just run
into all his people and like, yo, yo, we think
he gonna beat you, and you're like, I think I
could get who is a fight? Let me go look
at it. Now you're studying the person. Now you're going
you checking, and you're going, Okay, I gotta keep this
(11:07):
up because he throw that a lot. Well, I gotta
do this and do that, you know what I'm saying.
But you brung him back down to your size, that's right.
And then when you beat him, you go back to
King College and you know what I'm saying, I mean,
like this is crazy. And then the next fight they
come and say, but now we got He's like he
do this. Now you're like, okay, back every time you
going in there, you always bringing guys back then. And
(11:27):
I think for me it worked out great like that
because the times that I didn't look at life or.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Boxing like that. You know what I'm saying. The other
thing happened.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
He took a defeat. We don't take it serious. You're like, yo,
who I'm fighting? Oham, it's I got this. Yeah, we're
gonna go to Miami for you're supposed to be in
the gym. You're going to hang out in Miami and
you over here you at the you know what I'm saying.
So that's a fact. That was one thing that I
ran into and.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
One thing though, niggas with that, even with that being said,
out of all the boxes, I feel like you one
of the only niggas who never duck no smoke ever.
Now you fought them all, my nigga, line them up,
didn't matter who was there.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I don't even know how to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's what I feel like a lot of these niggas.
You know, I'll fight you when it's convenient for them.
Like you know what I'm saying. The way to you,
you know, getting at the telling of your career, didn't
call you out.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know what, I didn't care.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know what, I guess it was the Brooklyn upraising upraising,
Like you know, you came outside and you went to
the park. You know, you might fight him today, him tomorrow.
He got a cousin that just came from North Carolina.
Now you gotta fight him, Joe.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You can't my cousins cut comes.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, you know, so that's you know what I'm saying.
That's that that's kind of crazy right here here. You
run through them kind of things there, You know what
I mean, so that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
What what would what fight would you say define your career?
Like your favorite fight out of them all?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I can't really say it's no particular one fight because
every fight put another stamp to your passport, if that
should makes sense. You know what I'm saying, Like because
I got stuff that happened in my early career that
people talk about. Mickey Ward for him in ninety eight
and hit me with a body shot and like like
like almost I thought it was over. You know what
(13:19):
I'm saying. I got to the corner, you know how
like so you know how you me in the corner
my dad head and the camera right here at HBO camera.
So I'm trying to whis on my dad on this
egg because I went the camera here. I'm like, yo,
think he broke my ribs. You know, no gubage now listen.
(13:40):
So I'm trying to you know, and my dad, you know,
he hyped hell what I'm like, I mean, he wrote
he broke he said what he said?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
He said where I said right here?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
He said funk that you the other side, use the
other side, ride me, scoop me up, pull the water
my mouth, and I'm back out there like, oh, I
just told you broke, I can't. I can't even breathe
no more, and you got to go back out there
and fight. So you know, that's a fight that happened
early in my career that people say, you know, that
was my my my bridge, the bridge of Zab going
(14:14):
to you know, from being regular Zad to superstar Zapp,
that's right. And then from there, I mean, of course
people going to I mean, then you got the Corey
Spinks fight when I went to Saint Louis, he came
out with Nelly.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean that that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Was epic, you know what I'm saying that I remember that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
The second fight was more intriguing, But people don't understand
on the business aspect. You know, I lost, but I won,
you know what I'm saying. The first fight I received
like one point five million. The second fight, I received
one hundred thousand dollars. And told me like, listen, you
know you're being blessed for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know what I'm saying. I was promoted by Don King,
you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, he had both
of us. He said, listen, man, you.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Want another shot. I ain't got no money. I ain't
got no money.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But I mean if you could, if.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You could, if you can go over there and shake it,
make something happen, then we could do something.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
What was it like working with Dog because he got
a bad rep? I mean I made a lot of
money though bleak.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That's what I'm saying. I always that's what I know.
He put a lot of money in a lot of bread.
Then you hear you see the movies, you hear the
stories niggas like Dog was a crook sticking niggas up with.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I think that when he he he good at he
good at like like I don't know like he good
at like by like like he'll call you and buy
you something, yo, blake, what up? Go outside? Look outside?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You look outside as the new road boom.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I can't wait that you were when you get to
you know how, when you get the new road, pull
up to your house and y'all, but you're not.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Thinking about most paying for this? Who got with the
title act? Who name is?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Not?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
At eighteen twenty? That means nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You with the nearest club like with my first outfit,
Let me go and let me go put your with
Joe at yo, Blake, Yo, let's go. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They got to turn up.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You ain't think about nothing else, you know what I'm saying.
So it's you know what I mean, at young agent,
But he knew how to do that. And then now
you go get it and then he'll let you fight, fight, fight,
and if you're good here you fight running up. Now
you go get a big fight. You just want the
tile on dispute it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You know what I'm saying. You made a couple and.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
He slided a little that little three, a little three
eighty five in them. You know three eighty five is
that's a that's a that's a big chunk for you.
You know what I'm saying. When the nigga flying that
ship under you know what I'm saying. At one point
five little you know what three eighty five for?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
What over that?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
You know that that that billy? What why when the
bill come later?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Remember you don't get this to later. You don't go
to call months, you don't want to call no more.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, Oh I gotta pay for it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I'm cool, you know what I'm saying. And the whole
time you thinking you got over. Yeah, I got that nigga.
Nigga bought me a Bentley nigga. But you know I'm
his number one nigga. That's why you He better spend
that breath and then you that's the money you spent.
That's money you spend. You know what I'm saying. But
he's gonna turn around, spend the block and go get
your another back. So all that old ship that you
mad about, you just good.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Oh I'm good. You back, you back, perky cham cham chap.
I gotta.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I got a big one for your baby, A big one.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think, come to you.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I got a big one for you, man, Corey Spence.
Can you can you can you beat that Corey Spence? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I got him for you. Brother, I got him.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But listen, man, ain't nothing of that bucket over there,
the bucket, and the bucket is empty. But the opportunity, brother,
I said, the opportunity, Yo, nigga said, the bucket is empty. Bucket.
And then you start to think as a fighter. Now
(17:47):
you're man, your ego, your pride. Nigga can't beat me,
You can't beat me. I had him the first time. Yeah,
I want to fight you just forgot about the little
little nigga.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You had a record company. Oh my Jesus Christ, with
the rape the industry.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
But what I say, I don't want to I don't
want to say all bad things about the key because
I made a lot of bread a lot of people.
I made a lot of bread. I mean, he introduced
me to some great people. He interroeswed me to a
great lifestyle. You know what I'm saying. He you know
he he wasn't you know? He was a He was
a great guy. Besides, I think that he had old
fashioned business mentality.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He came for that year. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Like, you know what I'm saying that three for me,
that one for you, ship that three for me, one
for you, three for me for you and nigga, what nigga,
I gave you something? Be happy with that and you like,
all right, all right? But every time if you good,
it's the opportunity. So the opportunity is bigger than what
that little money y'all beefing about, because it is because
(18:57):
the opportunity bigger than that, you know what I'm saying.
So for me, fight Corey Spence and win the undisputed championship.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Of the world.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You know what that means that that's like back in
those days, that was unheard of.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
People wasn't doing that. You know what I'm saying, endorsement deal.
Everybody just coming at in that bag at you.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm looking at I looked at it different. I didn't
care about the the money keep that you got that being.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Young and and receiving all that money like that, because
I know, man, shit, I'm a Brooklyn nigga just like you. Bro,
I'm eighteen years old, twenty years old, buying my first crib,
getting my first bends.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, seeing that, why we all go over there? Why
we all went.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Everybody used to beat up at the seventh eleven. Yes,
four boys.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Fact y'all. Yoah, that's tracy.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What was it like?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like, how did you maintain like because you're not one
of those guys who blew it all because you can say,
like I got a nugget here from Dawn, but you
still learn how to make that nugget last. You know
what I'm saying, Like, how was that for you being
young that young? Because that's not easy, bro, A lot
of niggas doesn't Blue they bag.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I Thank God for my father, you know having him
right there, you know, him coming from Brooklyn born and
raised and you know, knowing how to shake him baked
from the seventies and six, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So he was able to go, yo, listen, what's our
next move?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
We get like he always was one of those that
either gave me the idea or sparked the ship up,
like yo, yo, yo, you ever thought about this?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I never thought about that. You know, yo, you
talk about your.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Fucking all that while we're going through what we're going through.
Let's go start out on Yeah, how we how.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We do that?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I want to know. I was a fighter.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I was I was a fighter in the gym, doing this,
doing that. All I know is that I would look
at my father and go, oh, I like that. I
want that, and it's there, Yeah, sure, gonna make sure
I got it. He's gonna make sure he's dead. Gonna
make sure I got it, you know what I'm saying.
And it's done. And by him kept seeing my potential
as as you know, as as it went with the pros,
he started going, okay, yeah, this is this is him
(21:08):
and he dedicated more time and time and time and
time and with me everywhere him and my uncle Jimmy.
You know what I'm saying, piece of Uncle Jimmy, Yo,
that was my right hand.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I ain't gonna front this. Niggas gonna be mad me
saying this.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
He gonna want to see me and be like bleak,
come on, I gotta come up on rock solid now.
But I ain't gonna front. You're the only nigga who
put that pain on Floyd, and you know the whole
everybody know that. They tried to say it wasn't or not.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
That was a knock knockdown. That was a knockdown. So listen,
we just say the way.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I gotta give you a five for that because Floyd
put that pain there, so to be one to you
and Sugar Shane is the only ones I seen that
really rattled that tank.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It was like my nigga.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I was, Oh, you that nigga many appreciate.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I heard up.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I was that fight because y'all, homies, that was people's
before to fight. I remember you even saying that he was.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Tired and he's to come to Brooklyn in Brooklyn, New York,
all that. You know what I'm saying. I went with
I came to Vegas and hang out with him and
vice versa. You know, I think in that fight, in
my eyes, what I seen from my sight with money,
that's what That's what got it. Because you know what
I'm saying, because Mike Tyson told us this. I remember,
you know, fast forward it was Burrow Tight. We were
(22:22):
sitting at mic house and Mike said, Might looked at us,
was in the cop. I said, y'all gonna, y'all gonna fight.
We're like, man, it's my brother.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I let his nigga. He said, you know what I'm
gonna fights. The money, brother, The money. The money. Brother,
You're not gonna be to deny it. No, No, I
ain't no money.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
What brother, They're gonna give you so much money. Brother,
You're gonna look at that nigga like he the devil
sitting there.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I swear a true story and he never lied.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yo said, they're gonna get so much money, nigga, They're
gonna look at him like he's the devil. Your brother, nigga.
He didn't come at your mother pussy, nigga.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Oh you know how I talk, Mike.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Don't give And I'm like, Yo, we're sitting there. No,
we both sitting there and he telling us this ship
and I.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Want to come out your mother pussy nigga.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Young, he said, But it's not a it's not a
bad things supposed to do. If you my brother, you
say you my brother, then let's fight.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
We choose this. Nobody signed us.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Up for this.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We choose to fight, that's right. We choose to be worried.
So how do you accommodate me? And I would sport
that were in as gladiators.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We fight.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
That shit crazy, it's wicked, and yo, ain't it crazy?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But it's about it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's the same mentality as Shorty's in the hood because
then we laugh and joke without with our homies. You
fight each other and then be right back eating the
sandwich other. Let's split a here, let's split a whole
ge your hero together. So it was the same thing,
and we did it for no money. Niggas that have
a rock fight hit the homie too. Now y'all gotta
fight five minutes and you're back having a rock fight again,
(23:57):
Like shit was real. So I could see that mentality,
especially Mike being from the same place, Brownsville, Brownville. Your
niggas had to fight that is like, yo, yeah, niggas
fought in y'alls.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
School, ain't I fought my whole block, my whole neighborhood.
They know't see this. They know I fort everybody and
love I see nigga, they tell me start, I'd be like, yo,
my nigga, let me tell you. I used to be
sick because you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I grew up without a father, my g and you know,
in summer, my my grandmoms is from Brownsville. I had
a grandmother lived in Tilden, and my aunt and them
lived in Rockaway Projects. And then I have family and
Marcus Gorvey all right there. So my summers I spent
in Brownsville. You know what I'm saying. So when I
used to go back to school and niggas be like, yo,
(24:46):
we he was at for the summer. Teacher start asking
niggas like, yeah, I was in Virginia. I was in
South Carolina. They get to meet I was at Brownsville.
To be looking at me like I'm glad you're still
with us. I'm because it was like I'm going from
the star to the vill.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It was like wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Then I used to go out there and see how
much fighting y'all niggas did. Because back in the sty
niggas like what you said, bang bang bang. In the ville,
niggas like what you said, knuckle up, nigga, knuckle.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But thig about it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We didn't come from the video game era, you know
what I'm saying. We was even before Atari.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know that ship. We was before Tar.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
We watched a try be birth in our hands for
your son, he gonna be like pop, nigga, like.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
This one of choice, nigga.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That ship was terrible. But everything so.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Before that, what we had to do go outside and
we used to build go cut. You had to go
outside and make shit happened. You had to do ship,
like really had to go outside.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I think that's only a Brooklyn game.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know. Niggas out of Chail don't know about Skelley.
You go to certain certain cities and be like yo,
y'all play Skelley. Niggas like, what's that? I think that
was only a Brooklyn game. Skelley by g or god
that that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
So Skelley, you put that wax in that, you put
that clay in the that top like you spent all
night doing your clay.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I know we used to be up doing the clay dumping.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It back, don't look right. Yeah, you gotta have a
style because your time.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Had to the flyers fire.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You had the fire.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Did y'all play Skelley like roofies? You like a nigga lose?
You get the rufous top rufus top about it. That's
going to throw the sewer right the sewer you got you? Yeah,
play for the top there, nigger top yeo.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
We play dodgeball and suicide.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Soon as I put the box into the hold the nigga.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Siga steam nigga y'all suicide?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh man, that was the Day's my cheek fucking But
you're in this business.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I watched you, right you you dealt with losses, satbacks,
you know what I mean, controversy through all of that.
How did you maintain your mental and like you know,
like these kids say, never crash out, bro, Like you
know what I'm saying, You ain't.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Never did nothing. Wow where you in the media and
were like damn, look at zav You know.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
What I'm saying. I think it's because of my amateur
career that I won so much and was in such
a prestigious place for so long that you know, by
the time that I even got my loss. You know,
my my first loss was because Zoo. But by the
time I even got there, I was just numbed to
the fact that, yo, I'm great. So even when the
loss came, I still say, that's not a loss, that's
(27:35):
a lesson. That's why, because I know what not to
do next time. I'm gonna get another sucker up watching
the next time I come back, seven more body.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You know, then you catch another learning lesson. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Okay, okay, but but I'm I'm even in my learning lessons.
I'm bodying it.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Go look at my losses, y'all. I'm bodying and the
law You're like, it's going like this, the whole fight is.
You're like, you know what the coodof You're like, wow,
that was that was amazing. That's right, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So you never dug no smoke, man, Like, we can't
beat everybody, but we definitely ain't gonna run from no
nobody never never, And that and that right there hold
more weight than any than anything, because, like I say,
I lost many fights in the street.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
But I bet you the niggas I lost to don't
want to fight again. I want to fight again, you
know what I'm saying. Because it wasn't an easy w
wasn't you and mine was different? You beat me, you
gotta fight the youter brothers.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
That's more of us.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You got the whole family with a knuckles.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Ten of us. It's ten of us, all of us.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It wasn't a lot of guns. It wasn't It was
one gun to like ten niggas. So having four brothers
that could fight, and.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That was like having ten guns. Nigga have four brothers,
burn up, burnt up. That's a fact, real story, right.
So it was so like we was, you know, in
the daily news, Golden Gloves and in the news all
the time that they would not allow us to go
to the same high school. I went to wing Gate,
my other brother went to midwhere my oldie brother went
(29:11):
to Grady.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Like.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
They said, no, y'all can't just go to one school,
he said, And we said why, He said, because if
one of y'all get into an altercation, we know all
of y'all are coming out, and we can't.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We don't have no no professional security break up. No,
y'all can't all go to school, yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
We was even talking out there when you was talking
about the change Clothes video.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Shoot, dang man. You know else me and Dame on
good terms.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Man. We had a call with Norwy right where we
made a pat where he was like, Yo, we're gonna
make a truce. Nobody get on these platforms and disrespect
each other, right, And then he went on and dissed
me again.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Like that's my bigga, But you just brought up a memory.
You like your plea.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I mean, look, I didn't even know that you like
yo change clothes video. Shoot you and Dane was going
add it my nigga, yo. But I'm gonna give you
the context behind that. Right we was in the room,
he was telling State Property and all of them that
they're gonna retire like Hole. Because remember he was doing
the Fade the Black album, The Faid the Black concert
(30:17):
was coming up and we was doing to Change the Clothes.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So he back there telling anybody they gonna retire like Hole.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And you know, me, the reality guy of the crew,
we ain't retiring like Hole, none of us.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
We fucked up.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
If he quit, we better go get some jobs, nigga.
So Dane was mad that I was talking like that
and was and he said, Yo, you act like you
ain't with us. If you ain't with us, nigga, I
drop you from Rockefeller, y'ah, ain't gonna fronts there. That
shit sent me off the roof. That's why I was
(30:53):
that hot, like you gonna what what? Ain't no fucking way.
So that's why I was like, no, you gotta come outside.
We gotta fight.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
D hold on, hold on, can't tell you what I see?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I see. I was there guy in the video, Shane Clo,
I what I'm bleak.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Niggas don't fuck.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I don't give I don't yo, And he had, wait,
who is that holding you? It was your man, Murder.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Murder Murder was holding. I don't give a fuck. These
niggas don't know. I gotta show these niggas.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm tired of playing with these niggas. I gotta show
these niggas. So me Joe said about like, wait, wait,
who are you talking to? I said, Yo, The nigga said, dang,
I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna show these niggas.
I'm not playing.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Don't play with my man name.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I mean not like that pause. It was like like
it was like you know, like you're talking about holding
that hole, like don't play with our names.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
He said it will drop me right nigga, you ain't
signed me, but it's my company. And I'm like, what
fuck that?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I that?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I was, I was right there right there. That was crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Gave me the major threat. That's a that's a threat,
your threat and artist drop you, nigga?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
What crazy? We gotta fight now?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Remember Dame the o G So I'm even mad that
it's even a public too public, Yes, jus to argue
with like that, bro, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's why. And I never me and Dame never had
a face to face. I don't think since that day crazy.
I spoke him on the phone, but I never seen
(32:31):
Dame again. Bro.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's crazy to me, like he.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Got he got different energy, he got, you know, plusing
to give me boxing to you know he listen, that
ain't no work with him.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Know that ain't no sucker. Ladies, you got to approach
Dame with that pissed caution. He was, he gonna he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Give it to you that he's gonna give it to you.
You know how to fight, ain't. I've been in the
gym with him, Chelsea piss, I've been in It's way back.
I see game fight Keith Murray by Nigga Orleans bro
outside no gloves Keith Murray, Brawler at the Airport by
Nigga Wild.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So like no, dame't know how to fight. I ain't
gonna all niggas that went through just who got sucked up.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Nobody got sucked up.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But they didn't hit Damon there with a bottle. That's
when he got hit Dad with the battle. We got
the stitches, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Different had some.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Brawls, man, Keith Murray, niggas different, The niggas was wild.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
We had major brawls.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
That's back then, man. But it ain't about us.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
We here with you. They gotta legend zab you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So when did you realize your career was bigger than
the boxing ring?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
He still never never?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I never never, man, I always. You know what it
come a town when they say it's a stigma. It
says you only as good as your last fight. You
know what I'm saying, So you only is good at
the last thing that you did in the ring, you
know what I'm saying. So when it comes to a
standpoint when maybe a couple of years go by and
you didn't do anything, what is your worth now?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What is your network?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
So it's not even a game about nobody telling you
that this is your mental These are the games that
boxers play, the mental games with their self, you know
what I'm saying, Like, Damn, I ain't been the ring
in a while. Am I still that good?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I mean, but but but but they we questioned ourselves,
I'm damn, am I doing? Do I still got it?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I went to the gymer to day. My ship wasn't
wasn't cracking like how I was cracking with that Mayweather fight.
I ain't got that, you know what I'm saying. So
you started playing psychological game with yourself and then that's
when the seas coming me. I ain't gonna lie bleak Brooklyn.
I was one of those that that shit didn't play
with me. I ain't play with it. Sooner I find
that punkshit going on, I go to the gym and train,
(34:56):
or I go running. I'll do I'll go outside we
do we do some wild ship and I'm like, it
go right out my brain. Yeah, you know what I mean.
So that's what when people see me back in the
days turned up to the max, that's probably I was
trying to get that that sucking ship off my chest.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know what I'm saying. I was out with myself, you.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Know what I mean, bounces and nightclubs, these big seven
niggas that I had fights with, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
New York City like a lot, like I'm going now,
I'm tell him I'm knocking somebody out.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, Like it's crazy. The ton I don't forget about
Jesus christ Man. Listen, I got my man. After I
forgot my man, the head guy named the black Dude,
I forgot anybody got cool.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I know it was crazy, you know what the nigga
all of them was police. There was all police. There
was all.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It was all police, the undercover police. Glenn Man, Glenn
all them hip hop. But Glenn, I tell you I
was fighting this. I was fighting his workers. He's like,
I was like, call me that, what's wrong with you?
That big nigga told me he's gonna pick me up
and throw me out of the door.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
In my head, No, we ain't having that, yo.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
They used to wile niggas up in the turn security
with violate niggas, man violate. How you all bloodied the
fuck up in the ton It was crazy, yo, That's
what I'm saying. As a boxer, Like you know, a
lot of boxes now they try to affiliate with hip
(36:18):
hop and you know, have artists come out walk them out.
I say, like you was the first one to transition
that one because you're not only Rockefeller, you even had
the links with dip set, like you said Foxy Kim.
Like a lot of artists you turn on any music
video back in the early the late nineties early two thousands,
Zad was in them, like how did your hip hop affiliation?
(36:41):
Did these artists used to reach out to you or
it just was like fuck, I'm outside, nigga, I'm just
pulling up blink.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I was in a tunnel and jay Z and Master
If he came alaha remember that night? Do you remember
that night when he did?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It was real tard dick. What I'm saying, I'm going
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
You know what I'm saying. You know, I just understood.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I never knew how you got with the dip set crew,
like how that relationship started to.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Just going to Harlem, girl shaking girls people, Brownville with
stupid heart. I got my.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Brothers and they're like, you know, Joe Joe studying.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Chow.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You call the phone and hall of what, let's go
we out.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You're gonna shout out Joe, Joe word, you know Joe.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He following them, following them all.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yo, I'm coming, I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I want to wait.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
We in Harlem now we were, we were Vava's up.
We were so we chilling cam and all them coming through.
You know they ain't looking. But no, me can't have relationship.
And we live in t neck from the plane basketball course.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Here we go back. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All the rappers, that was rap up Rose, that was
you know, I said, wrap up road crazy and never
got cool, you know, from him seeing me and harlling
and bugging out and me with my with my crew,
and it was cool. It was record cool. All niggas.
Then we used to come outside kick on the bucket.
I didn't drink and smoke back then, but I will
always come outside and.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Kick it with him. Crack jokes, bug for like an
hour or two and then blow out.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
You know me, I was looking for other things, you
know what I'm saying, Like I had a rabbit trap
on the ground. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I respected you too, like after life, after boxing, you
still involved, Like because Devin Haney, you know what I mean.
Now you say all the time that's my family. I
seen them as a baby grow up, so I know
you had some input on that. As Pops is man cool.
You know my dog fresh Sea lot them. You tell
me Devin gonna beat the world, up beat the world.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know what I'm saying, Man, I appreciate where Devin
is at today because you know how these blick is
like you would hove. You know what I'm saying. I'm
pretty sure I hope it's proud of you. I mean
like it's the other way around. You probably like Lily
like what my we came from around and now look,
you know what I'm saying. So that's how I feel
with I seen Devin come in the gym first day
(39:03):
number one. You know what I'm saying, He walked out
with me home my belt and now he's the undisputed
multiple time doing this you know what I'm saying, breaking records,
youngest crazy champion. His name is mentioned in every boxing
conversation that people could talk about, you know what I'm saying.
So when you're a part of something like that, you
gotta you you gotta feel proud, like what what right there?
(39:24):
They won?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And Bill?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
One thing I love about Bill and I tell everybody
to me, he was a He's a very brilliant guy.
Why he don't come from boxing. He come from the streets.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But he said, you know what, I hear about them
all the time, anybody from the West. They mentioned his
pop's a real one.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's a real one.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I'm telling you straight, like he come from the streets.
So he said, you know what, Devin want to box
DEVI want a box. We met Yo, Dev want to
box Yo. Bring him to the gym. Her bunk he
bunk deaf At the gym we started working out a
little bit like that. He said, you know what, I
gotta put him to my boy. He opened the gym.
He opened the gym up.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
You know what I'm saying. It was our gym. We
had our own gym.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Is this is in I'm talking about. This is like
maybe oh seven seven o seven out here. You know
what I'm saying, We're doing the gym. The gym's over.
Devin is a kid, Devin is little. Gym's opening his rocking.
But one thing I loved about him, he poured into
his kid. He said, if I'm gonna sit back and
put my son in something, I'm gonna get the best,
the best of the best. He opened the gym, he
(40:26):
went and got my father was changing the first Then
he went to Big Floyd, Then he went to Freddie Roach.
Why he was going to the professional greatest people that
they said is the biggest in the game and teach
my son something. But the whole time what he was doing,
he was sitting there learning game the same time. So
why later on when I take this walk on my
son by myself, nobody could say that I'm not qualified
(40:47):
for the position. You know, every endeavor day that he's
ever learned, I sat in on. You know what I'm saying.
It was a devil student. Yeah, he was learning physical,
I was learning visual, you know what I'm saying. So
that right there, when you watch like I could say
I watched that, I've seen that, you know what I'm saying.
People say oh how you Bill Handy man, Bill, and
he is one of the smartest people in boxing.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
You know what I'm saying. I remember he went through
some ship to get in Australia.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he fell hard and look he
made it beat me by bye last minute, thirty seconds.
But there we go every box still and we're out
of it. You know what I'm saying. So when you
got that kind of blueprint in form that. Man, Listen,
you're rolling, you know the most with you. You know
what I'm saying, Right man, I'm saying, do you feel
like when it comes down the to the boxing world,
(41:37):
do you feel like they give you enough credit to
the culture for what you contributed? I mean, as far
as what the boxing community gives me, you know what,
could be honest with you, that really doesn't worry me.
You know why when I come outside in these streets
and I talk to the people that's on the ground,
the real people, they tell me different.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
But that's what he me going. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I don't meet me like, oh yeah no, they said
what you did it?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
You did it?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Congratulations. I just want to hug you like that right there?
Is special to me. You know what I'm saying, Because
when I was getting in that ring, doing what I
was doing, I didn't know all these people was watching
me having zabd you to fight night parties. You know
what I'm saying. Like, I meet people now and they'd
be like, Yo, my pops was the biggest zab Judah
fan ever. We would shut the house down. He would
kick anybody out, And I'm like, wow, off of me.
(42:28):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's special to me.
So whenever I meet anybody, everybody ever met could tell you, yeah,
he's not He's ginging nobody here. He's gonna stop and
chop it up with you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
What's your take on the fight? Seeing today like the
boxes today, do you feel like they like you, not
ducking smoke or they just trying to make it a business.
Because when I look at it, I feel like these
guys building a brand. They not even trying to really
fight any right.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I feel like to a certain extent, that's the blueprint
now to make it to the top. You gotta watch
that oh and get it for far. You could get
it up the ladder before the negotiation starts with the
other big dogs. So that's the whole blueprint, because you know,
going up the ladder, if you take a fight that's
too hard or like that may be challenging and just
(43:14):
cough a bit, you get that l Now they look
at you and different.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Now you gotta go over there.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You want you in that lane. Set you You know
what I'm saying, you at the kiddy table down, go
up there, and you want to open this again.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
You know what I'm saying. You like, how did this happen?
Speaker 3 (43:31):
You know what I'm saying, How did this happen?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Right here?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
So so when it now you you know, this is
life outside the ropes. Now, what does your legacy? I
asked you, what does you think like? You know, do
the culture? What does your legacy mean to you? Life
after box?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
You know when I sit back and watch.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Alcolades in the videos and all of the fights, I
sit back and watch because yeah, it's been nice when
you know, my wife will tell you, I sit by
myself and I sit and watch my fights and old
stuff and just here and listen to commentators and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And yeah, I look back and I'm like Wow.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Sometimes I be amazed, like wow, I really was doing that,
Like I really was like that, Like that's that's crazy,
you know what I mean? So you know, I see
what I see, what I see what everybody see, But
I don't know it just don't it don't resonate, like
you know what I'm saying. Like right, so I sa thing, bro,
and I think that I'm still working hard and obtaining
(44:32):
other goals and pushing forward with other things that I
feel like if you sit in that place and you
just get comfortable, that's gonna go to your brain. So
I can't even look at what I did with boxing.
I can't look at them.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
That's over with.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I'm saying, that's over with. What I what I You know,
people asking a chant when you're gonna fight. I did
fifty seven. It's on YouTube. Check it out.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
You know what I'm saying, netflixing chill. You know what
I'm saying. You know what I mean. I got seven
of them.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
You know what I'm saying. That's not it for me
unless I would choose to come out and do one
of the exhibitions or something like that.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
But other than that, I got fifty seven of them.
That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, they exhibitions, they throwing that bag around. I mean listen, man,
come on, you know what it is. Listen, what's my
man name from.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Dubai Hey, the whole Hogan. Yeah, throw that bag out.
We got some exhibition. That's a fact, yo yo.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
So what you know is the Brooklyn boy we always
get last.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
You know that they gonna they think we're gonna suck
it up. Yeah up, they think we're gonna play. We
ain't gonna suck the play out. They're gonna know we're
gonna play. We're gonna maximize the position.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
That's a fact. No, sleep, that's right.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Never when people say zab Judah, what do you want
your name to mean? Like say that because to me,
when I hear the name zab Judah, to me, now
this is as a fan as bro, just knowing you
watching your career legend legend Bro, like it's only when
(46:10):
when you think of Brooklyn and you think of fighting,
it's Mike Tyson and his zab Judah nigga and that's it.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
So what does that mean to you? Exactly what you.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Just said, that's right because coming from you, that's exactly
what it means I want the people to.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Say what they feel.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Bro, Listen.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
When I told everybody listen, I told you I was
just on the phone with Hove when you just called me, like,
what's the address. I was telling him about somebody from
the hood that I didn't know was locked up, and
I'm like, who the fuck do this nigga was locked up?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
He like I did.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
So I'm like, yo, he like where you at. I'm like,
I'm in Vegas. I'm about to go shoot this episode
with Zab. He like, no fucking way. I'm like, yeah,
like man tells Zab, I said, what's up. That's when
when I caught you back, I'm like, Yo, it's certain
niggas you could tell hold on.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Certain niggas you can't tell hold on. I heard no disrespect,
but I can't tell me hold on. I click back over.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's gonna be right. I already know man. Appreciate ll
No man, bro.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
He definitely said my love telling myself was man. He
was excited. So even Nori when I told everybody like,
no way, man, how you get in contact was that?
I had to tell him, Man, that's my bro, what
you mean. I never lost contact with that you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
You know this is crazy. I'm probably gonna go crazy,
but you know me know he's the fight as a kid.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
You fucking lie. So it was like Nory for every listen, No.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Listen, it was Noriega and left Frack City versus the
Judi brothers.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'm leaving at that.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Leave it at that, shill nor ain't hurt up nor
shout shout out to the sun shouting my brother Yo.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
So what's next for you?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Man?
Speaker 1 (47:56):
He's a Judah too. Word rest of peace? Bro.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Definitely, what's next for my Dude's a I know you
wait wait, I'll let you tell what's next.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
But you told me a part of what's next. We're
out here in Vegas just so happens.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
It's the A v. No War, you know, wars whoa.
My man Zach said, yeah, I'm out here for that.
What you're doing? He said, I got that line, So
I let you tell.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So. Yeah, it's a company that my wife, you know,
she actually she put it together. You know, Undisputed Toys.
We have a toy line, toy lines, so we have
different you know, uh uh all stuff. You know, we
have a special rabbit. It's very discreet, very discreet. Uh,
(48:45):
it's a rabbit. Three different functions on it.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
That that's that's not a business. Yeah, you know, I'm
just saying, like you know, the bunny is does the magic.
You know what I'm saying. We only got one feature.
You make it up with you know a different functions?
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Man, Yeah, yeah, damn yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Then you got the cigar ball popping out there? What's
up talking about that?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Man?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Sticks?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
We and woolen Hill's uh sticks a cigar ball.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
You know what I'm saying. Were on ventaur you know,
look us up, pop in.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
You know it's a private cigar ball, So you know,
call us up and come in and uh, let's make
it big.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Let's go up.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Anything else you want to let the people, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Just letting people know.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Man. I love everybody. Man, that's right. Thank you for
loving me, and you know what I'm saying. And even
if I don't know you, I love you. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Even if you didn't like me, I love you.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's right. That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Bro. I appreciate you for pulling up. You know, you
my brother, and you know I love you for life.
My nigga for life. Bro, I'm always on da boys.
And you know what it is, man, This is fuck Brooklyn.
This is rock solid. This is the most solid nigga
that's probably gonna touch this platform unless the big homie
pull up.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Stop playing with us that.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah, wait, I tell you too that you know that's
jay Z right, you know I'm ZJ Beckles Right. I'm
just saying that.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
You know what it is, y'all.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Rock solid Judah in the buildings, shout out the Judah Brothers,
the family, Brooklyn, egbody holding it down.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
This do save my fear for life. Rock solid, stay solid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
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