June 17, 2025 • 35 mins
The line is still live… and Suge Knight isn’t done.
In Part 2 of this explosive prison call, the former Death Row CEO doubles down — revealing the federal charges he says Diddy should be facing… and the powerful people who might be shielding him.
Suge and Aubrey dive into the dark intersections of prostitution, privilege, and power — from elite parties to hired escorts, all the way to Diddy didn’t just cross the line — he pissed off the wrong people. The conversation continues and the silence from the top? That might be the loudest part.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O day covering the Didy trial. Okay,
so let's go there. Let's talk about two things. One,
you said you're not sure that they really want to
get him. I'm looking at it right now, like I
think there's going to be a hung count on the RICO.
I think the possession of people is going to be proved.
Sex trafficking maybe, But every day I switch and go
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back and forth. Every day I have questions as to
why the prosecutors do what they do. The witness on
the stand now, is Puffy's paying her lawyer bills? That
shit is ridiculous to me. I don't even find I
wouldn't be able to find anything credible in that. But
with all that being said, you've made comments about Puffy
needs to take the stand and tell people what it
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really is, and I agreed with that. I actually said
it might be his only saving grace at certain points
where I thought he was really in trouble during this trial.
And what I want to ask you is you've said
kind of similar things, and so if he were to
take the stand first, do you think he'll take to
stand second? What's the truth that you think he could
tell the jury that would make them not convict him.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, first of all, I think he got great attorneys,
So I think he can hung up with his attorney
and say, look, I'll pick the stand, but by me
taking a stand, he could take a deer for five
or kam. I think he gotta be a great thing
for the Puffy to do five or team getting out
the way number one, to say the fact that it's
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all about the kids, to say the fact that if
kids don't go through what they got to go through
and hear. And I think about one thing. If Puffy
didn't have any children and I saw Puffy somewhere, he'd
be a whole different story. Since the fact Puffy had kids.
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I really don't want to see Puffy somewhere because I
don't want to do it. I probably would do to
him because I got too much love and respectful.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What could Puffy say on the stand that you know
is true about him? They could convince the jury that
the way he treated these women and the things that
he's been accused of is not criminal. What could he
tell them on the stand that would convince them regard to.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
His criminal n if profect governments stand to what he
really been through, he would have those people in tears.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What's he really what could he say that would have
them in tears? Give me one thing?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Should a sexual appetite? What he's doing those other people
we've done to him?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Hurt people, hurt people, correct and puppetin.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
We could one day and say, guess what I want
to piss on people. I want to piss on people
and let them let another man that's with my First
of all, we are proud black man, period. So you're
trying to tell me a proud black man, a lett
a white prostitute come all over or pee all over
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or come all over his woman and then revert on
hisself or ruben on his own profect part to have
text with in life.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Shug, Is it possible? Is it possible the man that
you met had a sexual appetite that you just weren't
aware of, Because they do, say with cuck holding a
lot of those men sometimes the psychology behind it is
they want to see men having sex and it's a
it's a way to get around it. And in the nineties,
is it true that you could not be a hip
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hop mogul in the nineties and I'm a black man
and also be gay. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So let's let's talk the facts. Let's not talk about
what people say, what people tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Tell me the facts because you were there and you
know better.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, it's a thing. I will be shocked if Puffy
woke up on his own one day and say, hey,
I want people to pee on me. I want to
take it. What. First of all, I'm not gonna me
and Puffy we not friends, but were not enemies. Is
he not my enemy?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So when you were around him, you never felt he
was gay?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
First of all, definitely not because he gonna do he do.
I know he hung with the guys was gay, and
I didn't. I'm the only of those guys who parting
with Puffy. They can say what they want to say.
Ain't those guys a party with Puffy? They were partying
with Puffy and I wasn't one of them. But now
let's get to the point. The point of the matter
is this. You can't say Puffy's not a proud black man.
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Puffy was cocky, was a proud black man. He's not
gonna let a slave worker or prostitute rub his come
all over him and do certain things. He didn't that
had come from Harlem, that had come from New York,
that came from the industry, are people who's involved in
sexual crime, of sexual activities. But what I'm trying to
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say is it's not about putting Puffy down or putting
the next person down. The fix this shit. Any wanted
to fix this ship, get his man a deal where
you don't have to want to make him dying prison.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, did he name names if he got on the stand,
would he name names if he were able to get
a lesser prison time to come forward and tell the
truth where he could really change the industry for better?
Is does he Is he going to name name or
is he going to Let's say, you know, when Jeffrey
Epstein went to jail, he ended up.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Gone absolutely gonna name names. He might be stupid sometimes,
but he's not dumb. He's not a dummy at all.
He went to college.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, he's very smart.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That's not that's not I'm not I'm not gonna be
one of these people who try to kick somebody when
they're down or change history and make him look bad
like all the loop you always get nobody's trying to
make somebody look dumb.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, deal with the facts. He's not a dummy. If
they give a puff to the opportunity, if you understand
and humanize himself, it'll be the best thing for the
culture of hip hop. It'll be one of the biggest
power moves for the United States. I know that can do.
They shouldn't let him get washed up. Now, Honestly, do
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we learn do he deserve to get something? They canna
get something?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You're in prison, you know how it is? Could did
he handle it?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think like this, I don't think then should give
him a lot of time, because let's let's be honest, right,
a man who's somebody and a man who come to
money and a man who has a name has it
harder than a regular person who did nobody come to prison.
If you take Tory Lane come to prison, look what
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they try to do to him. That dude should not
be in prison, because a pracon shouldn't have to go
to prison and destroy their life and should get punished
and continued lived their life. So I don't think it's
fair at all. That's why I fought so hard and
I would have been anything in the world to make
sure Slip didn't go to prison, and I would do
it all over again because that's what we're goosed to do.
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I did everything that I had to do to get
Tupac out of prison. That what we're supposed to do.
I'm standing firm that I feel that couldn't pussing in
prison when all that time it's like killing him. I
don't think person die for some of the crimes activity do.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You do you believe what he's doing is sex trafficking
because to me, a lot of men get escorts and
bring them across state lines and are abusive toward them
and make them have crazy freak offs and threesomes. A
lot of people that are famous in today's culture do that.
Like this is not just a diddy thing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, I look at it like this, if Cassie were
doing all that stuff with Puppy and she was living
in a studio and she was going to fucking eating
that Denny's and McDonald's and getting seven eleven hot dogs
and wearing swap meet ten shoes and you know, cheap clothes,
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you know, shopping at every she had a forever twenty
one perse dollar tree. Yeah, oh man, out of I like, yeah,
look at her. She got a flipfoll like I'll be
having for a different reasons. She got a flipball and
you know she can't get it. You can. You can
see the knapper rooms of her hair, and you know
she got little pities like a boy steal right. But
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now if she going and getting I ain't saying it's
a case of if she getting no jobs and change
her kiddies like a motherfucker, changed their shoes and shopping
in from Louie to everything else, and the ziralis and
her family's benefiting Offso that's part of her job. Now
I wouldn't do that. But at the same time, I
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ain't never did this. This This is a woman I'm
with and I love this bitch. This this is me.
She didn't have a she didn't have a job, she
didn't want for nothing, she won't catching the bus, and
she had a nice car. So we both As a man,
if you're a woman out there, I don't care if
you're a doctor, a lawyer, or whatever you want to
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call yourself to be. And you got a man and
you're still working, you got the wrong one. So back
to this, when I'm basically saying, is this everybody getnifited.
Everybody signed the contract. They knew. It's not like Puffy
went to them and said, hey, guess what, I'm freaky.
So if you want to do this, do it. If
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you don't, somebody else will do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You believe that there is a dynamic of power, and
there is a power imbalance, and that there was a
dynamic of not understanding fully how much damage that all
of this would do to them. That exists though, Sugar, well,
you know you got to.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Limber one thing. A lot of people be blind by
the fame, bind by the money, and blind by the drugs.
If anything, it's a it's a drug situation, because let's
be fair. You got this little white guy, I don't
know who he is, but he was the MW He
carrying drugs, cocaine, all kinds of drugs around from state
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to state. He didn't get charged. You got crazy getting
guns and file a seral. No, it's filed a serandom
off of them if you gotta. If you public can
go to the public could went to the regular gun
store and say give me these guns, and they would
they let it buy them there the game is id
and got the stuff, but instead they got guns and
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took the seral number off of them. There's no charges
of that. But more importantly, why is no charges for
the drugs? Because all the women, all the women, the
sex workers and everybody, the whole authorize all answered with
the team drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
The one consistent thing in every single person's testimony that's
taking the stand is the drugs.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So why is that a drug case.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It should be a drug case.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It's not a drug case because there was a drug case.
There have been. All these people would have got convicted already.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, they're getting a lot of them are getting immunity
to take the stand because prostitution is also illegal.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But once again we're gonna start again. It's only illegal
to the poor people. It's not illegal to the rich people.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, it's illegal to the rich people. Now look at
how they're getting puffed.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, they only getting puffed because puff to soft throws
one who. Okay, I'm gonna answer that question. First of all,
you get to the liquor company. They come from the
old school. The Kennedy started off as bootleggers. Most of
the people, the politicians and the presidents of bootleggers. Right,
So the alcohol business being around forever. These guys do
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him are stolid and said, hey, we gonna let you
put up one thousand dollars. Apparently he didn't put no money,
but when he did put sharrock, he got sharrock everywhere
he got there. He danced, he talked, he did everything, and.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No one knew.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
He didn't know that he tapped dance off the top.
You know, hey, hey, he's so black, he don't got
to put no black faceball. So he go up there
and tap dance and and say Mammy and daddy to
all of them. He probably this some things for a
little change we don't know about. But at the end
of the day, he did a incredible job. He did.
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He did then he turned around, and then a horrible
job to come after him. And then they say, hey,
you live in the class house. You better not start. No,
why fight. The only mistake Puffy Mane was. I don't
care how many times he spent the night at those
white executive's house. I don't care how many times he
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danced for him.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You can't file a lawsuit and call them racist.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But what you can't do, you can't think you're not
gonna get that black man call. You know, that black
man call is different. Michael Jordan got won all the grace,
got a black man.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Called, tell me what the black man call is?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Should The word that nobody got to say is that
nigga call. So if you Michael Jordan, you the best
basketball player in the world, Hey, nigga, you gambling? All
this happened? What we Brian got one stud Knight got
a whole bunch of something. But I already they didn't.
They didn't worry about making the call on me because
I already I never gave a my mother fucking black
man past. You know, I always I stayed black. I
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never said that was nothing but black. I was born black,
I'm ana die black. So when anyone thinks that they don't,
they don't get that black man called, they do. Mike
Tyson is one of my best friends in the world.
I love Mike Tyson. Tyson got a black man called,
this is the heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Got a black man called that's fucking crazy and just
the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What you gotta understand. O. J. Simpson got a black
man called, how.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Do we fix that?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
How do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
How do we fix that? In the industry? How do
we stop it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Fix it. This is how you fix it. You start
off with sug Knight and Tuffy. I should be free.
There's no way that somebody trying to kill me with
guns and I'm in Prinson. I'm doing more time than
the dude who did a mass shooting. The man as
brothers who killed they paying for money, get better stuff
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in prison than me, not only just me. Let's now
go to Puffy. Puffy is not getting a fair shake. Now, Okay,
we know he did a lot of things. But what's
the difference between Puffy than all the other whitest negatives?
Who's not even a witness, They're not a dependent. It's
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like they don't exist. They gave the checks, they one
gave him the power. They didn't. One made him think
that he can constantly get away with it. But it's
two things you don't understand. If they can't take the
money from me, they take you for the money.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Do you think Puff will name them if he goes
under for everything do you think he will get He'll
be so pissed that he'll be like I was the
wrong one to fuck with. Like now it's really on.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, first of all, you gotta remember one.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So he has that type of energy.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Huffy getting his way how you want to get his way.
I bet they getting Puffy pills. He might can't have drugs,
but I bet he's getting peeled to make him rest
and make him sleep, make him feel better. You think
the fact that Puffy they're not naming none of the
people who's involved with him at one time, everybody was
involved with it. Okay, I'm just gonna say it. I'm
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gonna tell you, like this, what I like about Puffy.
Puffy loved his mother. What I love about Sugar Night.
I love my mother even though she passed away.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm saying Puffy is not gonna treat Ken Porter the
way he's gonna treat that mixed girl, Cassie, or that
not black girl, the aiding girl, fifty cent baby Mama,
whatever his name is. Yeah, Jane, Yeah, he's not gonna
treat her like he's gonna treat a black girl. Okay.
A lot of people gets into it with their wife,
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their girlfriends, with their lover, whatever you wanna call it,
with a person. I'm not saying it's not far affected.
Tuffy didn't what Ken asked.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
He didn't He's a black woman, but he had respect
for her that he doesn't have for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He had triful. He would respectful black women because it's
mama black woman. He only treated the women who wasn't
black that way. One of the things should be this.
They should walk in there right now and tell Pluffy nothing.
You gotta do something, you know what I mean, You
gotta get some time. You're gonna give the stuff you need.
We're gonna put you where you want to go. But
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for you, for you, for you getting this deal, get
your ass on that stand. Not only do you need
the name names, you need to explain the situation that
the world. But we're gonna have the situation happen again.
Puffy's a smart man. He's very knowledgeable. You know where
the body is buried at dig those motherfuckers up. I'm
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not saying going there and this on people to do
geminal people. I'm saying going there to fix the situation.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Don't you think he already tried fixing the situation with
his lawyers prior to trial, Like, go talk to this person,
go talk to that person. Let them know I got X,
Y and Z that I'm going to say, Like, don't
you think he already tried doing that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
No, I don't think he tried doing I think he
did a great job doing it because most of the
most of the people they want to know, they want
to talk to, they're not there. And the ones they
do have to put him on a stand, they haven't
really did nothing to really hurt him.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Tell me who takes the stand for him? Who's going
to take the stand for him? Do you think you
know so crazy?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But an artists pony poison probably kept that food with me.
All dudes who party with him, all those dudes who
did this weird stuff with him, is never going to
take the stand. It's sad because all these guys who
got Buffy's party, the white Party. Yeah I'm not the
BP Awards. But now one person not all that stand
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free Puffy. Now one of the people God understanding and said, Puffy,
keep your head up. Now one of people came out
to dance.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
The one and so is that why you feel the
need right now? Is that why you feel the need
right now to come forward and really like speak up
for him? Because you've been disenfranchised in the same way
in which you understand the system, you under how understand
how it could potentially be suppressing certain people in a
specific way, and you feel like, in his moment of need,
he needs somebody to do that for him, and you're
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the one brave enough to do it. Is that what's
going on a little bit?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, well, what was going on? Is this? You right?
I am brave enough to du number one? Number two
is this? Well, first and foremost we all mean of God.
If God can forgive, why should Night can't forgive?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, but God is not in the courtroom and in
the law. It's not going to be discussed when they
have to go through the papers to convict him.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Listen, God is in the courtroom. God is everywhere. God
ain't some timing. I look at you know what, and
I'm gonna say about myself, and I'm gonna get back
to that question. Most people looked at this situation that
I'm in prison and mister Orris didn't can happen to me?
In reality, I did enough time. It's time for me
ton home. But it did great things for me. Who
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loved me, who care about me, Who trying to use me,
who got an angle on this, trying to I don't
care if it's who it is most people trying to
just get over on me. It's someone that really care
about it to your own kids might not really care,
and you can have something to take. There's nothing like
my father. Are weak in breathing and be the man
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I'm gonna be as a young man because of my
father that I love my kids. Right, But back to Puffy, right,
it's not right at the end of the day, Let's
go about right. If Puffy's gonna be on that stand,
if Puffy gonna be punished, what about the people he
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made all the money for who tell him that type
of stuff? What about the women who got over and
act like they didn't get over.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
They're all gonna get away and the system's gonna continue
on exactly as it is. That's why I'm pissed about
all of this, is that nothing's gonna change.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's how it's gonna be. So what they want to
do is they want to to see I'm not saying
all puffies lawyers, but I'm quite some of a puffy
lawyers probably says the last thing you want to do,
don't get understand. But God said before it says, how
you gonna listen to Suld Knights, Suld Knight's in prison.
Well you in prison in your own home property.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Well, by the way, you're in prison, I'm sitting here
in my home. I think he should take the stand too.
Nobody could tell Puff better than Puff. Nobody.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so Puffs should get up there and get on
that stand. But Puffy, if you're listening, I'm quite sure
you are. But at the end of the day, cut
the deal. First, get a situation where they don't whatever
you say on that fan you against you get on
that stand, Well, you get on that stand. Fix hip hop.
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Fix the culture of our people. It's not abroad us
no more. We had our turn. It's about the younger generations.
The only way we don't have to do younger generations
about teaching by the mistakes we made, or they won't
be able to make the mistakes we made and they
will not allow the high up to take advantage of them.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Sure is the biggest mistake, not remaining the owners of
every idea and everything that you did possible and allowing
other people. Like Puff said, I'm not scared of the
white men I can see. I'm scared of the ones
I don't see. Like, is it not allowing those type
people that you see or don't see, not allowing them
to ever be involved in your business, your money, and
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making sure that you always own everything that you create.
Is that the answer?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, all his own everything that created, nobody butting me.
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But what do you want to tell the young kids?
What do the young kids need to know?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well, I want to tell the young kids is this.
Know this, you always want to own your stuff. Don't
sell your soul. They can control of your money. Don't
trust lawyers. Lawyer's is the worst, the worst, the worst
or the worst. Lawyer's gonna lawyers do more cocaine and
drink more alcohol than anybody. You're gonna see you out.
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They know a system bet than anyone because the lawyer
is just the guys who grew up not popular. They
want the cool kids. So once they're getting a situation
to be in the room with the cool kids and
they got time to help us, they gonna hurt us.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's the same with all the owners of the labels.
I said it the other day. It's the same with
all the owners. There's all the talented people that get
together and then some nerdy white guy that went to
an Ivy League school that nobody ever cared about ends
up being the one who runs everybody, and he just
hopes he could get an invite to the party, right,
But a.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Lot of do in the industry, in the tement industry,
it's not guys who even went to college. They was
the losers who they was kept and got patted on
the ass and did strange things for favors. Okay, how
many kids do bust and rhyme? Has? I have no
idea how many times you see busting Ryan with a
bad bitch? You too?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Not money? I don't see him with.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Okay, So I'm not gonna steal on that. I'm not
gonna stay in that game. But you know why I'm
going with this? Yeah, have you seen any these guys?
It's too many names names, But if you look at
gangster rappers, who was gangst rappers in the eighties of
the nineties, don't they look real?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Why are not?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Why are none?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Why are none of puppies artists in the nineties coming forward?
Why don't we hear from Mary J. Blige, May Faith Evans.
Why aren't we hearing from any of the bad boy
artists in the nineties at all? Not even like an
opinion of the trial. Why are they all None of
them are in the documentaries, none of them are taking
the stand. None of them are even taking his side
or not taking his side. You can maybe look who
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they follow or don't follow, but other than that, it's silent.
Why are the nineties so silent on him? That's a
big question.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I have the reason why they're so silently did they
are so scared? They are slaves. These people are slaves
to the point where they scared. These people. They're not
scared of the gun and the knife. They're not scared
the streets. They scared the people are in the suites.
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So they're gonna do this, and they're gonna speak on puppy.
They're gonna mentioned it to them. They don't want to
be next.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I called Mace to come do fifties documentary. It was
you know, his name's attached to it, but it's Netflix.
And I told Mace, you know a lot of my
my generation of making the band is doing this documentary.
And I called him to come do it, and he
basically told me in so many words through this conversation,
you're still in that slave mentality of having, like so now,
fifties owning the story of it all. You're just handing
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over the story and everything that you experienced over to
another master, Like that's not the way. So if they
are operating like that, then why wouldn't I call them
and say, come over? Do is the response? You're operating
like that still? And I don't like, what is it
with fifty and Puff that is so deep?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, I'm gonna put j like this. I don't really
know fifty, you know what I mean? And I think
I think fifty is real good at what he does.
I think performed his ass off as an artist. I
think he grabbed people's stories and he did a lot
of things. And fifty got the microphone, and you can't
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beat the man with the microphone if you got If
I don't, I don't have a problem with fifty, But
I know if I can deal with fifty, I can.
I'm not gonna do it. You ain't gonna out talk fifty.
But I think with fifty of them, I think with
all the guys should do in the coach of and
hip hop and all that stuff, right, I think all
you guys should stop fright me among yourself. Why not
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let the story be told the right way and done
the way it should be.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
How what is the right way?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Just the right way? We gotta do it. It takes
a man like myself to be able to say, you
know what, Snoop, you might have did some things out
of life. I know how you like, you know what
I mean, But I tell you what, Let's do it
for the culture of hip hop. And that goes with anyone.
If if if prop from I was out right now
(26:34):
and I thought that me being shaking his hand is
going to save a lot of lives and help a
lot of people for the culture of hip hop, I
would do it because I don't think one person is
bigger than the culture of hip hop. So bressed and lucky,
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be able to take care of our families and our
kids and the woman we love, and that's it. I'm
not gonna have a woman my woman. Is he working
to it?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Should Let me end us there, because I want to
say this to you. This is what makes you that
good godfather of hip hop, the one that you want
to go visit, that you don't feel weird about, the
one that can learn from the past, that can bridge
the gaps, that can take acknowledgment, take credit, understand learn, grow,
(27:25):
become a man of God, understand all the growth that
the position that you're in right now was there to
give you, and now your your soul thinking and thought
is all kind of encompassed by wanting to make the
system better for the people that come after us, which
is where I'm at with it as well when I
report on this trial. And that is the number one
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reason why you were the first person that I wanted
to speak to on this podcast. It took me a
few guests to get to you, but that's why I
really love your voice.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Should no, well the good time. I'm glad you got
m but you got into one thing. He was talking
to the wrong people. So everybody, everybody looking for something
and trying to bring they people in it for something.
Who those people don't have nothing to do with nothing.
But once again it's like this, I mean, you know,
I think you're incredible and I had studio time for you,
(28:17):
I have some records for you. Not because I'm trying
to compete with Puffy or anybody else. One person I
compete with is me, But I knew your energy is great.
I know you're a wonderful woman. I know you're a
beautiful woman, and your talent speak for itself. I had
the studio time set for you, I had writers, I
had everybody, and anybody said, oh man, she incredible. I said,
(28:39):
I can tell. I said, I could tell her when
she talks, she gonna kill it in the studio. And
I wasn't trying to put you on depth ro I
wann't trying to do no label. I just want to
give you some love and show how great you are.
Let the world know you incredible. Let's go back to
the real city stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right Exactly what I want you to do is I
want you to end it on something that you feel
as powerful as the most powerful mess that you can
relate to the people right now. I want you to
end it for us.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
That's what I would like to say. First of all,
I'm gonna take accountability of a lot of things I
did wrong in the industry, all the streets, our society
because no one taught me. I have to learn on
my own. And I think it's very important that we
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always give when they figures respect women, love women, and
treat women how they both speak as queen. And if
you're a man out there, don't live off the woman.
Get killed in woman. But the most important thing what
I would like for you is you so talented, You're
so smart, and I got real, real love for you.
I think you should get the people in the industry,
(29:47):
and I have a lot of stuffs already done. Actually
a person who has a real, real talented person, you
speak to her lady at some point. Okay, we need
to have our own series. We need to have this
stuff that really happened in the industry that we know firsthand.
Like I know the most society being about what happened
(30:10):
at Ruthless and the reason you got Some people say, oh,
this happened you wasn't there our death all bad boy
or fifty cent IRV Gotti. Come on, nobody gives rg
got a died And I'm not out there, but I
feel gating salute or the right way and giving cigars
the right way.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Had j Rhoda was always so nice to me and
he never hit on me.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, he deserved to go out the right way with
his cigars. But I think it's so important that we
are the people who really started hip hop, who really
made a difference for hip hop, all of us. There's
not one person more important than others, but we should
be the we should be the one telling these stories,
putting on these shows, and that it be if not
(30:57):
only is it entertaining, also teaching moments. Yeah, that's we
should be doing enough enough, And.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I completely agree with it, and I think the only
I think, the only reason that it wouldn't end up
ever happening is if the people who run the system
decide that that's not who they want to tell the story.
And that's one thing I want to always remind the
audience of when they listen to any episode, there's always
just like you said today, it's such a powerful, uh
(31:27):
potential alleged quote that did he said, I know the
people that I could see, I'm worried about the ones
I can't see. And the ones that you can't see
are the ones that make for very big decisions, and
they decide things so and even when you think you know,
and you think you have some control, and you think
you're running shit, you'll learn quickly that you're not. If
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you slip up.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But if we stick together. But once again, if we
don't have to love each other, we should be able
to accept each other. And once we learn how to
do that, once we except each other, Puffy wouldn't be
getting life in prison. That saying he should. He shouldn't,
but he shouldn't be getting in life. He should's no
way he did it. I feel like this Puffy did
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more good than bad. I know I did more good
than bad. I know you did way more good than bad.
You didn't deserve how they came there too.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I haven't done any bad, but I'm starting to realize
I could have been a little more freaky than I am.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
No. Look, for first of all, what she was getting
was a vagina they wanted. They didn't want the vagina,
They really wanted something else. It's not your fault. But
that's the crazy thing about it. But the thing is
back to back to the facts, right. I think the
most important thing we need to do for this this
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point on, everybody should just ship their egos and leave
that shit at home. I think the people should make
sure that Buffy kill on that stan a fair shake. Yeah,
I think that people should learn from that. I think
they the people who did wrong in the industry, who's
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always hide behind the doors, they should be put on
the front page to be exposed. I think for all
us out there who got so much more to give,
they help the people. Let's do it. Let's stop talking
about each other. That don't take me. There's nothing to
say something good about somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah right, there's plenty of people I don't like, and
I could tell you something great.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
About them, right and as a man, right, as a man,
don't be a bitch. If you can't say nothing to
a man's face, don't say at all. And if that
man is in if that man is dead, passed away,
you don't got to say nothing bad about it. He's
outdy dead, he's in heaven. If that man in prison,
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you don't got to try and talk about him all
of a sudden you have a shug nice story. Because
I'm in prison. You can't walk up to me and
explain to me what you want to say to me
face face. Don't talk about it, being about it. Y'll
gotta go. And you on a podcast and being your feelings,
you know what I mean. So all that is enough said.
At the end of the day, we need to be done.
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They need to make sure Puffy gets on the stand.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
At the end of the day, we need a union.
We need a union right now for hip hop. All
these people in hip hop, you know it hurts me
to see now. I love the Isaac Brothers. I love
all all those cool guys right me too.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Brothers are my favorite. You know, Footsteps in the Dark
is one of my favorite songs in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ah cool, that's my favorite. I gotta go. You gotta
go at the end of the day and enjoy your day,
have a blessed day, and remember one thing. Because I'm
in prison that I don't mean I'm not busy and
have things to do. I'm sure not sign out.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Love you, sug right, thank you for listening. That is
my favorite human sug Our Heart Radio presented by Amy
and TJ. We are covering the trial. Thank y'all for listening.
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O day covering the Didy trial. Okay,
so let's go there. Let's talk about two things. One,
you said you're not sure that they really want to
get him. I'm looking at it right now, like I
think there's going to be a hung count on the RICO.
I think the possession of people is going to be proved.
Sex trafficking maybe, But every day I switch and go
(00:24):
back and forth. Every day I have questions as to
why the prosecutors do what they do. The witness on
the stand now, is Puffy's paying her lawyer bills? That
shit is ridiculous to me. I don't even find I
wouldn't be able to find anything credible in that. But
with all that being said, you've made comments about Puffy
needs to take the stand and tell people what it
(00:44):
really is, and I agreed with that. I actually said
it might be his only saving grace at certain points
where I thought he was really in trouble during this trial.
And what I want to ask you is you've said
kind of similar things, and so if he were to
take the stand first, do you think he'll take to
stand second? What's the truth that you think he could
tell the jury that would make them not convict him.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, first of all, I think he got great attorneys,
So I think he can hung up with his attorney
and say, look, I'll pick the stand, but by me
taking a stand, he could take a deer for five
or kam. I think he gotta be a great thing
for the Puffy to do five or team getting out
the way number one, to say the fact that it's
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all about the kids, to say the fact that if
kids don't go through what they got to go through
and hear. And I think about one thing. If Puffy
didn't have any children and I saw Puffy somewhere, he'd
be a whole different story. Since the fact Puffy had kids.
(01:51):
I really don't want to see Puffy somewhere because I
don't want to do it. I probably would do to
him because I got too much love and respectful.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What could Puffy say on the stand that you know
is true about him? They could convince the jury that
the way he treated these women and the things that
he's been accused of is not criminal. What could he
tell them on the stand that would convince them regard to.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
His criminal n if profect governments stand to what he
really been through, he would have those people in tears.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What's he really what could he say that would have
them in tears? Give me one thing?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Should a sexual appetite? What he's doing those other people
we've done to him?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Hurt people, hurt people, correct and puppetin.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
We could one day and say, guess what I want
to piss on people. I want to piss on people
and let them let another man that's with my First
of all, we are proud black man, period. So you're
trying to tell me a proud black man, a lett
a white prostitute come all over or pee all over
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or come all over his woman and then revert on
hisself or ruben on his own profect part to have
text with in life.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Shug, Is it possible? Is it possible the man that
you met had a sexual appetite that you just weren't
aware of, Because they do, say with cuck holding a
lot of those men sometimes the psychology behind it is
they want to see men having sex and it's a
it's a way to get around it. And in the nineties,
is it true that you could not be a hip
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hop mogul in the nineties and I'm a black man
and also be gay. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So let's let's talk the facts. Let's not talk about
what people say, what people tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Tell me the facts because you were there and you
know better.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, it's a thing. I will be shocked if Puffy
woke up on his own one day and say, hey,
I want people to pee on me. I want to
take it. What. First of all, I'm not gonna me
and Puffy we not friends, but were not enemies. Is
he not my enemy?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So when you were around him, you never felt he
was gay?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
First of all, definitely not because he gonna do he do.
I know he hung with the guys was gay, and
I didn't. I'm the only of those guys who parting
with Puffy. They can say what they want to say.
Ain't those guys a party with Puffy? They were partying
with Puffy and I wasn't one of them. But now
let's get to the point. The point of the matter
is this. You can't say Puffy's not a proud black man.
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Puffy was cocky, was a proud black man. He's not
gonna let a slave worker or prostitute rub his come
all over him and do certain things. He didn't that
had come from Harlem, that had come from New York,
that came from the industry, are people who's involved in
sexual crime, of sexual activities. But what I'm trying to
(04:36):
say is it's not about putting Puffy down or putting
the next person down. The fix this shit. Any wanted
to fix this ship, get his man a deal where
you don't have to want to make him dying prison.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, did he name names if he got on the stand,
would he name names if he were able to get
a lesser prison time to come forward and tell the
truth where he could really change the industry for better?
Is does he Is he going to name name or
is he going to Let's say, you know, when Jeffrey
Epstein went to jail, he ended up.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Gone absolutely gonna name names. He might be stupid sometimes,
but he's not dumb. He's not a dummy at all.
He went to college.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, he's very smart.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That's not that's not I'm not I'm not gonna be
one of these people who try to kick somebody when
they're down or change history and make him look bad
like all the loop you always get nobody's trying to
make somebody look dumb.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, deal with the facts. He's not a dummy. If
they give a puff to the opportunity, if you understand
and humanize himself, it'll be the best thing for the
culture of hip hop. It'll be one of the biggest
power moves for the United States. I know that can do.
They shouldn't let him get washed up. Now, Honestly, do
(05:51):
we learn do he deserve to get something? They canna
get something?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You're in prison, you know how it is? Could did
he handle it?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think like this, I don't think then should give
him a lot of time, because let's let's be honest, right,
a man who's somebody and a man who come to
money and a man who has a name has it
harder than a regular person who did nobody come to prison.
If you take Tory Lane come to prison, look what
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they try to do to him. That dude should not
be in prison, because a pracon shouldn't have to go
to prison and destroy their life and should get punished
and continued lived their life. So I don't think it's
fair at all. That's why I fought so hard and
I would have been anything in the world to make
sure Slip didn't go to prison, and I would do
it all over again because that's what we're goosed to do.
(06:42):
I did everything that I had to do to get
Tupac out of prison. That what we're supposed to do.
I'm standing firm that I feel that couldn't pussing in
prison when all that time it's like killing him. I
don't think person die for some of the crimes activity do.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You do you believe what he's doing is sex trafficking
because to me, a lot of men get escorts and
bring them across state lines and are abusive toward them
and make them have crazy freak offs and threesomes. A
lot of people that are famous in today's culture do that.
Like this is not just a diddy thing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, I look at it like this, if Cassie were
doing all that stuff with Puppy and she was living
in a studio and she was going to fucking eating
that Denny's and McDonald's and getting seven eleven hot dogs
and wearing swap meet ten shoes and you know, cheap clothes,
(07:42):
you know, shopping at every she had a forever twenty
one perse dollar tree. Yeah, oh man, out of I like, yeah,
look at her. She got a flipfoll like I'll be
having for a different reasons. She got a flipball and
you know she can't get it. You can. You can
see the knapper rooms of her hair, and you know
she got little pities like a boy steal right. But
(08:05):
now if she going and getting I ain't saying it's
a case of if she getting no jobs and change
her kiddies like a motherfucker, changed their shoes and shopping
in from Louie to everything else, and the ziralis and
her family's benefiting Offso that's part of her job. Now
I wouldn't do that. But at the same time, I
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ain't never did this. This This is a woman I'm
with and I love this bitch. This this is me.
She didn't have a she didn't have a job, she
didn't want for nothing, she won't catching the bus, and
she had a nice car. So we both As a man,
if you're a woman out there, I don't care if
you're a doctor, a lawyer, or whatever you want to
(08:50):
call yourself to be. And you got a man and
you're still working, you got the wrong one. So back
to this, when I'm basically saying, is this everybody getnifited.
Everybody signed the contract. They knew. It's not like Puffy
went to them and said, hey, guess what, I'm freaky.
So if you want to do this, do it. If
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you don't, somebody else will do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You believe that there is a dynamic of power, and
there is a power imbalance, and that there was a
dynamic of not understanding fully how much damage that all
of this would do to them. That exists though, Sugar, well,
you know you got to.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Limber one thing. A lot of people be blind by
the fame, bind by the money, and blind by the drugs.
If anything, it's a it's a drug situation, because let's
be fair. You got this little white guy, I don't
know who he is, but he was the MW He
carrying drugs, cocaine, all kinds of drugs around from state
(09:59):
to state. He didn't get charged. You got crazy getting
guns and file a seral. No, it's filed a serandom
off of them if you gotta. If you public can
go to the public could went to the regular gun
store and say give me these guns, and they would
they let it buy them there the game is id
and got the stuff, but instead they got guns and
(10:20):
took the seral number off of them. There's no charges
of that. But more importantly, why is no charges for
the drugs? Because all the women, all the women, the
sex workers and everybody, the whole authorize all answered with
the team drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
The one consistent thing in every single person's testimony that's
taking the stand is the drugs.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So why is that a drug case.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It should be a drug case.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It's not a drug case because there was a drug case.
There have been. All these people would have got convicted already.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, they're getting a lot of them are getting immunity
to take the stand because prostitution is also illegal.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But once again we're gonna start again. It's only illegal
to the poor people. It's not illegal to the rich people.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, it's illegal to the rich people. Now look at
how they're getting puffed.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, they only getting puffed because puff to soft throws
one who. Okay, I'm gonna answer that question. First of all,
you get to the liquor company. They come from the
old school. The Kennedy started off as bootleggers. Most of
the people, the politicians and the presidents of bootleggers. Right,
So the alcohol business being around forever. These guys do
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him are stolid and said, hey, we gonna let you
put up one thousand dollars. Apparently he didn't put no money,
but when he did put sharrock, he got sharrock everywhere
he got there. He danced, he talked, he did everything, and.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No one knew.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
He didn't know that he tapped dance off the top.
You know, hey, hey, he's so black, he don't got
to put no black faceball. So he go up there
and tap dance and and say Mammy and daddy to
all of them. He probably this some things for a
little change we don't know about. But at the end
of the day, he did a incredible job. He did.
(12:09):
He did then he turned around, and then a horrible
job to come after him. And then they say, hey,
you live in the class house. You better not start. No,
why fight. The only mistake Puffy Mane was. I don't
care how many times he spent the night at those
white executive's house. I don't care how many times he
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danced for him.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You can't file a lawsuit and call them racist.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But what you can't do, you can't think you're not
gonna get that black man call. You know, that black
man call is different. Michael Jordan got won all the grace,
got a black man.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Called, tell me what the black man call is?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Should The word that nobody got to say is that
nigga call. So if you Michael Jordan, you the best
basketball player in the world, Hey, nigga, you gambling? All
this happened? What we Brian got one stud Knight got
a whole bunch of something. But I already they didn't.
They didn't worry about making the call on me because
I already I never gave a my mother fucking black
man past. You know, I always I stayed black. I
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never said that was nothing but black. I was born black,
I'm ana die black. So when anyone thinks that they don't,
they don't get that black man called, they do. Mike
Tyson is one of my best friends in the world.
I love Mike Tyson. Tyson got a black man called,
this is the heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Got a black man called that's fucking crazy and just
the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What you gotta understand. O. J. Simpson got a black
man called, how.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Do we fix that?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
How do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
How do we fix that? In the industry? How do
we stop it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Fix it. This is how you fix it. You start
off with sug Knight and Tuffy. I should be free.
There's no way that somebody trying to kill me with
guns and I'm in Prinson. I'm doing more time than
the dude who did a mass shooting. The man as
brothers who killed they paying for money, get better stuff
(14:09):
in prison than me, not only just me. Let's now
go to Puffy. Puffy is not getting a fair shake. Now, Okay,
we know he did a lot of things. But what's
the difference between Puffy than all the other whitest negatives?
Who's not even a witness, They're not a dependent. It's
(14:31):
like they don't exist. They gave the checks, they one
gave him the power. They didn't. One made him think
that he can constantly get away with it. But it's
two things you don't understand. If they can't take the
money from me, they take you for the money.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Do you think Puff will name them if he goes
under for everything do you think he will get He'll
be so pissed that he'll be like I was the
wrong one to fuck with. Like now it's really on.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, first of all, you gotta remember one.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So he has that type of energy.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Huffy getting his way how you want to get his way.
I bet they getting Puffy pills. He might can't have drugs,
but I bet he's getting peeled to make him rest
and make him sleep, make him feel better. You think
the fact that Puffy they're not naming none of the
people who's involved with him at one time, everybody was
involved with it. Okay, I'm just gonna say it. I'm
(15:24):
gonna tell you, like this, what I like about Puffy.
Puffy loved his mother. What I love about Sugar Night.
I love my mother even though she passed away.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm saying Puffy is not gonna treat Ken Porter the
way he's gonna treat that mixed girl, Cassie, or that
not black girl, the aiding girl, fifty cent baby Mama,
whatever his name is. Yeah, Jane, Yeah, he's not gonna
treat her like he's gonna treat a black girl. Okay.
A lot of people gets into it with their wife,
(16:00):
their girlfriends, with their lover, whatever you wanna call it,
with a person. I'm not saying it's not far affected.
Tuffy didn't what Ken asked.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
He didn't He's a black woman, but he had respect
for her that he doesn't have for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He had triful. He would respectful black women because it's
mama black woman. He only treated the women who wasn't
black that way. One of the things should be this.
They should walk in there right now and tell Pluffy nothing.
You gotta do something, you know what I mean, You
gotta get some time. You're gonna give the stuff you need.
We're gonna put you where you want to go. But
(16:34):
for you, for you, for you getting this deal, get
your ass on that stand. Not only do you need
the name names, you need to explain the situation that
the world. But we're gonna have the situation happen again.
Puffy's a smart man. He's very knowledgeable. You know where
the body is buried at dig those motherfuckers up. I'm
(16:58):
not saying going there and this on people to do
geminal people. I'm saying going there to fix the situation.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Don't you think he already tried fixing the situation with
his lawyers prior to trial, Like, go talk to this person,
go talk to that person. Let them know I got X,
Y and Z that I'm going to say, Like, don't
you think he already tried doing that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
No, I don't think he tried doing I think he
did a great job doing it because most of the
most of the people they want to know, they want
to talk to, they're not there. And the ones they
do have to put him on a stand, they haven't
really did nothing to really hurt him.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Tell me who takes the stand for him? Who's going
to take the stand for him? Do you think you
know so crazy?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But an artists pony poison probably kept that food with me.
All dudes who party with him, all those dudes who
did this weird stuff with him, is never going to
take the stand. It's sad because all these guys who
got Buffy's party, the white Party. Yeah I'm not the
BP Awards. But now one person not all that stand
(18:00):
free Puffy. Now one of the people God understanding and said, Puffy,
keep your head up. Now one of people came out
to dance.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
The one and so is that why you feel the
need right now? Is that why you feel the need
right now to come forward and really like speak up
for him? Because you've been disenfranchised in the same way
in which you understand the system, you under how understand
how it could potentially be suppressing certain people in a
specific way, and you feel like, in his moment of need,
he needs somebody to do that for him, and you're
(18:32):
the one brave enough to do it. Is that what's
going on a little bit?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, well, what was going on? Is this? You right?
I am brave enough to du number one? Number two
is this? Well, first and foremost we all mean of God.
If God can forgive, why should Night can't forgive?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, but God is not in the courtroom and in
the law. It's not going to be discussed when they
have to go through the papers to convict him.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Listen, God is in the courtroom. God is everywhere. God
ain't some timing. I look at you know what, and
I'm gonna say about myself, and I'm gonna get back
to that question. Most people looked at this situation that
I'm in prison and mister Orris didn't can happen to me?
In reality, I did enough time. It's time for me
ton home. But it did great things for me. Who
(19:20):
loved me, who care about me, Who trying to use me,
who got an angle on this, trying to I don't
care if it's who it is most people trying to
just get over on me. It's someone that really care
about it to your own kids might not really care,
and you can have something to take. There's nothing like
my father. Are weak in breathing and be the man
(19:41):
I'm gonna be as a young man because of my
father that I love my kids. Right, But back to Puffy, right,
it's not right at the end of the day, Let's
go about right. If Puffy's gonna be on that stand,
if Puffy gonna be punished, what about the people he
(20:03):
made all the money for who tell him that type
of stuff? What about the women who got over and
act like they didn't get over.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
They're all gonna get away and the system's gonna continue
on exactly as it is. That's why I'm pissed about
all of this, is that nothing's gonna change.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's how it's gonna be. So what they want to
do is they want to to see I'm not saying
all puffies lawyers, but I'm quite some of a puffy
lawyers probably says the last thing you want to do,
don't get understand. But God said before it says, how
you gonna listen to Suld Knights, Suld Knight's in prison.
Well you in prison in your own home property.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Well, by the way, you're in prison, I'm sitting here
in my home. I think he should take the stand too.
Nobody could tell Puff better than Puff. Nobody.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so Puffs should get up there and get on
that stand. But Puffy, if you're listening, I'm quite sure
you are. But at the end of the day, cut
the deal. First, get a situation where they don't whatever
you say on that fan you against you get on
that stand, Well, you get on that stand. Fix hip hop.
(21:08):
Fix the culture of our people. It's not abroad us
no more. We had our turn. It's about the younger generations.
The only way we don't have to do younger generations
about teaching by the mistakes we made, or they won't
be able to make the mistakes we made and they
will not allow the high up to take advantage of them.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Sure is the biggest mistake, not remaining the owners of
every idea and everything that you did possible and allowing
other people. Like Puff said, I'm not scared of the
white men I can see. I'm scared of the ones
I don't see. Like, is it not allowing those type
people that you see or don't see, not allowing them
to ever be involved in your business, your money, and
(21:54):
making sure that you always own everything that you create.
Is that the answer?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, all his own everything that created, nobody butting me.
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But what do you want to tell the young kids?
What do the young kids need to know?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well, I want to tell the young kids is this.
Know this, you always want to own your stuff. Don't
sell your soul. They can control of your money. Don't
trust lawyers. Lawyer's is the worst, the worst, the worst
or the worst. Lawyer's gonna lawyers do more cocaine and
drink more alcohol than anybody. You're gonna see you out.
(22:28):
They know a system bet than anyone because the lawyer
is just the guys who grew up not popular. They
want the cool kids. So once they're getting a situation
to be in the room with the cool kids and
they got time to help us, they gonna hurt us.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's the same with all the owners of the labels.
I said it the other day. It's the same with
all the owners. There's all the talented people that get
together and then some nerdy white guy that went to
an Ivy League school that nobody ever cared about ends
up being the one who runs everybody, and he just
hopes he could get an invite to the party, right,
But a.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Lot of do in the industry, in the tement industry,
it's not guys who even went to college. They was
the losers who they was kept and got patted on
the ass and did strange things for favors. Okay, how
many kids do bust and rhyme? Has? I have no
idea how many times you see busting Ryan with a
bad bitch? You too?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Not money? I don't see him with.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Okay, So I'm not gonna steal on that. I'm not
gonna stay in that game. But you know why I'm
going with this? Yeah, have you seen any these guys?
It's too many names names, But if you look at
gangster rappers, who was gangst rappers in the eighties of
the nineties, don't they look real?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Why are not?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Why are none?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Why are none of puppies artists in the nineties coming forward?
Why don't we hear from Mary J. Blige, May Faith Evans.
Why aren't we hearing from any of the bad boy
artists in the nineties at all? Not even like an
opinion of the trial. Why are they all None of
them are in the documentaries, none of them are taking
the stand. None of them are even taking his side
or not taking his side. You can maybe look who
(24:00):
they follow or don't follow, but other than that, it's silent.
Why are the nineties so silent on him? That's a
big question.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I have the reason why they're so silently did they
are so scared? They are slaves. These people are slaves
to the point where they scared. These people. They're not
scared of the gun and the knife. They're not scared
the streets. They scared the people are in the suites.
(24:27):
So they're gonna do this, and they're gonna speak on puppy.
They're gonna mentioned it to them. They don't want to
be next.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I called Mace to come do fifties documentary. It was
you know, his name's attached to it, but it's Netflix.
And I told Mace, you know a lot of my
my generation of making the band is doing this documentary.
And I called him to come do it, and he
basically told me in so many words through this conversation,
you're still in that slave mentality of having, like so now,
fifties owning the story of it all. You're just handing
(24:58):
over the story and everything that you experienced over to
another master, Like that's not the way. So if they
are operating like that, then why wouldn't I call them
and say, come over? Do is the response? You're operating
like that still? And I don't like, what is it
with fifty and Puff that is so deep?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, I'm gonna put j like this. I don't really
know fifty, you know what I mean? And I think
I think fifty is real good at what he does.
I think performed his ass off as an artist. I
think he grabbed people's stories and he did a lot
of things. And fifty got the microphone, and you can't
(25:40):
beat the man with the microphone if you got If
I don't, I don't have a problem with fifty, But
I know if I can deal with fifty, I can.
I'm not gonna do it. You ain't gonna out talk fifty.
But I think with fifty of them, I think with
all the guys should do in the coach of and
hip hop and all that stuff, right, I think all
you guys should stop fright me among yourself. Why not
(26:02):
let the story be told the right way and done
the way it should be.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
How what is the right way?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Just the right way? We gotta do it. It takes
a man like myself to be able to say, you
know what, Snoop, you might have did some things out
of life. I know how you like, you know what
I mean, But I tell you what, Let's do it
for the culture of hip hop. And that goes with anyone.
If if if prop from I was out right now
(26:34):
and I thought that me being shaking his hand is
going to save a lot of lives and help a
lot of people for the culture of hip hop, I
would do it because I don't think one person is
bigger than the culture of hip hop. So bressed and lucky,
(26:54):
be able to take care of our families and our
kids and the woman we love, and that's it. I'm
not gonna have a woman my woman. Is he working
to it?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Should Let me end us there, because I want to
say this to you. This is what makes you that
good godfather of hip hop, the one that you want
to go visit, that you don't feel weird about, the
one that can learn from the past, that can bridge
the gaps, that can take acknowledgment, take credit, understand learn, grow,
(27:25):
become a man of God, understand all the growth that
the position that you're in right now was there to
give you, and now your your soul thinking and thought
is all kind of encompassed by wanting to make the
system better for the people that come after us, which
is where I'm at with it as well when I
report on this trial. And that is the number one
(27:47):
reason why you were the first person that I wanted
to speak to on this podcast. It took me a
few guests to get to you, but that's why I
really love your voice.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Should no, well the good time. I'm glad you got
m but you got into one thing. He was talking
to the wrong people. So everybody, everybody looking for something
and trying to bring they people in it for something.
Who those people don't have nothing to do with nothing.
But once again it's like this, I mean, you know,
I think you're incredible and I had studio time for you,
(28:17):
I have some records for you. Not because I'm trying
to compete with Puffy or anybody else. One person I
compete with is me, But I knew your energy is great.
I know you're a wonderful woman. I know you're a
beautiful woman, and your talent speak for itself. I had
the studio time set for you, I had writers, I
had everybody, and anybody said, oh man, she incredible. I said,
(28:39):
I can tell. I said, I could tell her when
she talks, she gonna kill it in the studio. And
I wasn't trying to put you on depth ro I
wann't trying to do no label. I just want to
give you some love and show how great you are.
Let the world know you incredible. Let's go back to
the real city stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right Exactly what I want you to do is I
want you to end it on something that you feel
as powerful as the most powerful mess that you can
relate to the people right now. I want you to
end it for us.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
That's what I would like to say. First of all,
I'm gonna take accountability of a lot of things I
did wrong in the industry, all the streets, our society
because no one taught me. I have to learn on
my own. And I think it's very important that we
(29:24):
always give when they figures respect women, love women, and
treat women how they both speak as queen. And if
you're a man out there, don't live off the woman.
Get killed in woman. But the most important thing what
I would like for you is you so talented, You're
so smart, and I got real, real love for you.
I think you should get the people in the industry,
(29:47):
and I have a lot of stuffs already done. Actually
a person who has a real, real talented person, you
speak to her lady at some point. Okay, we need
to have our own series. We need to have this
stuff that really happened in the industry that we know firsthand.
Like I know the most society being about what happened
(30:10):
at Ruthless and the reason you got Some people say, oh,
this happened you wasn't there our death all bad boy
or fifty cent IRV Gotti. Come on, nobody gives rg
got a died And I'm not out there, but I
feel gating salute or the right way and giving cigars
the right way.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Had j Rhoda was always so nice to me and
he never hit on me.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, he deserved to go out the right way with
his cigars. But I think it's so important that we
are the people who really started hip hop, who really
made a difference for hip hop, all of us. There's
not one person more important than others, but we should
be the we should be the one telling these stories,
putting on these shows, and that it be if not
(30:57):
only is it entertaining, also teaching moments. Yeah, that's we
should be doing enough enough, And.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I completely agree with it, and I think the only
I think, the only reason that it wouldn't end up
ever happening is if the people who run the system
decide that that's not who they want to tell the story.
And that's one thing I want to always remind the
audience of when they listen to any episode, there's always
just like you said today, it's such a powerful, uh
(31:27):
potential alleged quote that did he said, I know the
people that I could see, I'm worried about the ones
I can't see. And the ones that you can't see
are the ones that make for very big decisions, and
they decide things so and even when you think you know,
and you think you have some control, and you think
you're running shit, you'll learn quickly that you're not. If
(31:47):
you slip up.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But if we stick together. But once again, if we
don't have to love each other, we should be able
to accept each other. And once we learn how to
do that, once we except each other, Puffy wouldn't be
getting life in prison. That saying he should. He shouldn't,
but he shouldn't be getting in life. He should's no
way he did it. I feel like this Puffy did
(32:11):
more good than bad. I know I did more good
than bad. I know you did way more good than bad.
You didn't deserve how they came there too.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I haven't done any bad, but I'm starting to realize
I could have been a little more freaky than I am.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
No. Look, for first of all, what she was getting
was a vagina they wanted. They didn't want the vagina,
They really wanted something else. It's not your fault. But
that's the crazy thing about it. But the thing is
back to back to the facts, right. I think the
most important thing we need to do for this this
(32:46):
point on, everybody should just ship their egos and leave
that shit at home. I think the people should make
sure that Buffy kill on that stan a fair shake. Yeah,
I think that people should learn from that. I think
they the people who did wrong in the industry, who's
(33:07):
always hide behind the doors, they should be put on
the front page to be exposed. I think for all
us out there who got so much more to give,
they help the people. Let's do it. Let's stop talking
about each other. That don't take me. There's nothing to
say something good about somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah right, there's plenty of people I don't like, and
I could tell you something great.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
About them, right and as a man, right, as a man,
don't be a bitch. If you can't say nothing to
a man's face, don't say at all. And if that
man is in if that man is dead, passed away,
you don't got to say nothing bad about it. He's
outdy dead, he's in heaven. If that man in prison,
(33:50):
you don't got to try and talk about him all
of a sudden you have a shug nice story. Because
I'm in prison. You can't walk up to me and
explain to me what you want to say to me
face face. Don't talk about it, being about it. Y'll
gotta go. And you on a podcast and being your feelings,
you know what I mean. So all that is enough said.
At the end of the day, we need to be done.
(34:13):
They need to make sure Puffy gets on the stand.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
At the end of the day, we need a union.
We need a union right now for hip hop. All
these people in hip hop, you know it hurts me
to see now. I love the Isaac Brothers. I love
all all those cool guys right me too.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Brothers are my favorite. You know, Footsteps in the Dark
is one of my favorite songs in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ah cool, that's my favorite. I gotta go. You gotta
go at the end of the day and enjoy your day,
have a blessed day, and remember one thing. Because I'm
in prison that I don't mean I'm not busy and
have things to do. I'm sure not sign out.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Love you, sug right, thank you for listening. That is
my favorite human sug Our Heart Radio presented by Amy
and TJ. We are covering the trial. Thank y'all for listening.
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