June 13, 2025 • 19 mins
Day 23 of the Diddy trial is underway with more talk of guns and baby oil! The courtroom also heard more about a black juror who may be questioned by the judge. “Jane” finished her 6 days on the stand testifying about attending a hotel sex party without Diddy, but with another “iconic” rapper. As she left the stand, Jane surprised everyone with a powerful hug.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, they're folks, and welcome to this episode of Amy
and TJ continuing to give you your Diddy trial updates
day and day out. It is Friday, June thirteenth, Yes,
Friday the thirteenth, and as Werowaka and I sit here
to give you the update, court is in session here
on this Friday, A key witness is off the stand.
(00:22):
New witnesses are going to be up there today, but
Robes again a little drama before they even got two witnesses,
and we had two issues in particular this morning we
want to pass along to you, folks, And this was
just happening as we were recording this. So as of
this recording, these two issues just popped up before they
were able to even get the testimony.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, they had an issue with someone who's going to
be testifying, Homeland Security Special Agent Andre Lamon. There was
a discussion as to whether or not he could testify
about guns found in Diddy's home. So they went back
and forth on that, and then there was another issue
regarding that juror, that duror that they said wasn't forthcoming
(01:03):
in wardere where he was describing where he lived apparently
was at issue, and so there was a lot of
back and forth between the defense and the prosecution on that.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So let's go with the Homeland security expert or excuse
me as to say agent. He was a part of
the raid on Ditty's home, those initial raids that were
all over television, all the talk of baby oil that
was found at the house and all this, and they
did find guns. The defense was adamant. I mean, they
are fighting, and they were fighting and fighting fighting this morning.
Say we do not want this man talking about guns.
(01:35):
They thought that could be prejudicial. Yeah, if you're getting
up there talking about a guy in a racketeering case
and some guy gets up there, so you have found
this gun, this gun, and this gun. They found a compromise.
I guess the judge was going to allow him to
do it, but you said you have to do it.
But put it in context. The guns that were.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Found, correct, the defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ditty's defense attorney said, I want to know exactly where
the guns were. He said, I don't want to start
playing rush roulette with guns, which is the way you
played Russian roulette.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Aha haha ha.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So a little humor there as they're going back and forth.
But the judge did decide that the Homeland Security agent
can testify about guns found in one of Sean Combe's mansions,
and the prosecution has to address the defense team's concerns
by clarifying in their questioning that there was no sign
(02:26):
of impropriety on how the guns were kept in his home.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
It was just there. That's all I can say. The
guns were there. That still could be prejudiciar. You see
what But it sounds from the reporters in the room
that the defense was fighting tooth and nail to not
have this stuff mentioned. This gives ad a wrong impression.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I should say words like adamant. They were adamant that
this not happened.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yes, they didn't want this, soh that is being allowed.
The Whomeland Security agent is on the stand now, he's
been testifying to other stuff that he did found. I
was just asking you, why would you have a cooler
bag full of baby oil? So he listed a whole
bunch of stuff that they actually found in Diddy's home,
A bunch of Milila envelopes with k on them, and
then inside there was a substance and it was tested
(03:08):
for ketminetamine.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right, that would make sense.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They but they were lately. You need to label your ketamine?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well maybe you know, when you have a lot of
drugs floating around your home, you got to keep it all.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's my point.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Labeled and you know what you're taking. That's great, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You're taking so many drugs that you have to have
Manila envelopes and labels to know which drugs are witch.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's odd to think even though they were using drugs,
they were being safe about it. This makes sure nobody.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Takes the wrong You don't want to take ketamine when
you think you're taking advil or I don't know, cocaine.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't even know how they all look. Seems like
they would look very different from one another, but maybe
they aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Not wild to say. I have no idea what kenmy
looks like. Does it come in pill form? Is it
in liquid?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
For?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I actually don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
The only thing I know that cocaine is a white
pottery substance.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I know that. But other than that, I wouldn't be
a scarface too.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I know what that looks like. I have no idea
what ketamine looks like. But they listed all these things,
and yes, this one detail though was it eighteen They
say commercial sized boxes of astroglide astro That is disturbing,
that's wild. But he said yes, they ended up being
like nine hundred bottles of lubricant altogether, and yes, a
(04:19):
whole bunch of baby oil. But I asked you. He said,
they found a cooler bag full of baby oil. And
I said, why would you put it in a cooler bag?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And because this is my best guess that a cooler
bag is waterproof, and so it's usually there to hold
ice or something to keep something cool, but it could
also prevent baby oil from spilling when you're transporting it.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It could leak into other fabrics.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So this way the baby oil would stay in the
cooler bag and not get all over the place, because
you know, sometimes you have a half used bottle. Doesn't
sound like they had too many half used bottles bottles,
but maybe they did and they wanted to make sure
they kept That is just such a bizarre thing that
you're transporting baby oil from hotel to hotel.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
How do you get that through the tea? I guess
you got to check that bag.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Oh no, you remember from earlier they used to send
people to get candles and send me where it gets tough.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Okay, they didn't travel with it, just from the store
to the hotel.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You need a cooler bag.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know what, you make a good You've spoken like
a true parent. That sounds like something a parent due
to make sure the baby didn't spill something, you would
get a cooler bag, something that's easily you conceal. That
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It makes you think of a lunchbox exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You get your kids these little lunch boxes so that
they don't spill and they can keep their little sandwich cool.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Not quite like that, but I'm glad we could add
a little levity to all this baby oil talk. That
was issue number one this morning. So he is as
we speak, he is on the stand and being allowed
to talk about all the things that he found in
the home. The other issue rose We've been talking about
this juror for weeks. People have concerns about this juror.
Even the judge had concerns. We don't know for sure
(05:51):
if this was the person that Diddy was looking at
when he got reprimanded by the judge. He was nodding
to someone. What was the word the judge Lute used,
He was nodding aggressively, yes, but nodding to some juror.
What has come up about a juror the prosecution investigated.
They said this person had a lack of candor with
the court, so they were wanting them possibly removed. The
(06:14):
defense was saying, no, we want to keep this juror,
and that robed to some of the back and forth
this morning.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, and I don't still even hearing what was said
back and forth, I'm still not super clear on what
the issue was other than it had something to do
with where he lived. But the judge said that he
didn't believe there was He said that there was a
facial inconsistency in the juror's answer to questions about where
he lived. And the judge said this, he thought that
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it was fair and reasonable that the prosecution would raise
that issue to the court, that there were concerns if
he wasn't totally truthful about that, what else could they
take for truth or fact. So the judge also pushed
back and was not happy that the defense suggests that
there was some sort of bias. The defense had said
(07:04):
that they believed the prosecution trying to have this duror removed,
was waging a thinly veiled effort to dismiss a black juror.
The judge said, that is not happening. There is no
bias in any of any kind, and it's totally reasonable
that the government brought this up. And so the judge
said he might possibly pull the juror aside after testimony
(07:25):
today and speak to him. But the defense didn't necessarily
like that either, But.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The judge sounded reasonable. I know a lot is on
the line. Defence is doing their job. He said, this
is probably just an innocent mistake. Let me talk to
the guy before we have to remove somebody. I judge
says he's going to look into this, take it up again,
maybe later. But that juror is still on that jury
doing his thing as we speak.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And I don't believe this juror knows that we're talking
about him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, while this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Dude, he's forty one years old, he's from the Bronx,
he's a corrections officer. He has no what he loves
nineties rap music. We know that, but he has no
idea we're discussing him on this podcast, or that the
judge is discussing him, or that there's any sort of
fight between the defense and the prosecution over him.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Didn't they make the argument The defense said, well, don't
call him in there. He's gonna feel like he's been
singled out and picked on. That's harassing the juror.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That's exactly what the defense said, So they don't want
him to even be aware that there's any issue with
what answer he gave when they were questioning him. But
the judge said he would take the defense's concern into consideration,
but he would make that decision and possibly possibly speak
to that juror later today to decide if everything was kosher.
But he felt like things were probably fine.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So that issue seems to continue. That's not done just yet,
but something to keep an eye on. The rolls we
been covering this. This is the fifth week of testimony
that's wrapping up now. There have been a bunch We
keep talking about. Heartbreaking moments, gripping moments, painful moments, jaw
(08:54):
dropping moments. We keep coming up every day like wow,
it's another than another one. I do not think I
heard about anything in this entire trial that was more
shocking and powerful and maybe even important than what happened
with Jane when she finished. It wasn't something we finally
heard from Jane, but something Jane did when she finally
(09:16):
got through testifying. That is the moment of the trial
for me so far.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I agree, and I don't think we're as humans used
to seeing people be kind and loving, especially in a
public way, and especially in a trial like this. But
that is exactly what Jane managed to do after she
testified for six days grueling, excruciating testimony, and she got
she got asked tough, hard questions, and yet when she
(09:44):
finally finished, she walked over and she hugged the prosecutor.
But even more remarkably, she then turned and walked over
to the defense attorney who had been grilling her.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Tiny grinning grows, Gary goes right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Teddy, Gary goes and hugged her as well. What a moment,
How powerful? That was just a simple hug, but it
said so much about who she is and hopefully perhaps
I mean, she said she wanted peace, she wanted peace
for Diddy, and her actions spoke even louder than her words.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
My first thought of this was about the end of
a game or the end of a boxing match. We
just went out here and beat the hell out of
each other for twelve rounds, I'm hurting you hurting. We
talked all that smack before the fight. There was even
some dirty stuff that happened during the fight. But the
fight's over, and let's just acknowledge that we had to
(10:51):
do what we had to do. But now it's over.
That is what it looked like to me, that we
all just went through this pain. We didn't appreciate having
to put you through it. We're all we all had
a job to do, and you had a job to
do on the stand. And it felt like she just
acknowledged to everybody, Okay, guys, good game, almost if you
will just.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I hadn't thought about that, like a sports analogy that
makes a lot of sense. It also felt like her
kind of owning the moment for herself. It wasn't about
anyone else. It was about her extending grace, and that
hug for me was closure in a way, like she
could put this chapter now to rest. She did what
she thought was the right thing to do, and she
(11:33):
wasn't doing it.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It feels like.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
When she ended with that hug, she wasn't doing it
for vengeance or for to get back at Ditty or
to make sure he goes to jail. She I believe,
sat up there and did the best job she could
to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
And yeah, it was it was a peace offering at
the end. That really was incredible.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It was I mean, the emotion that finally came out.
I say this to you all the time. Sometimes we
have a long day and exhausting, just run and run
and running, and I'm fine as it's happening, But it's
the I mean, the second that we're done, everything just
releases and you just exhausted, and you just break down
almost emotionally. I almost want to cry. It felt like
this is finally over. She's been doing this for a year,
(12:16):
if you will, going back and forth and meetings with
attorneys and so on. This was finally it and maybe
she will never speak to Ditty again. It's possible this
might have been the last time she ever sees this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Wow. Wow, I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's just that what a moment. We didn't see it.
We just heard the end. We've depended on a bunch
of very good reporters at the Washington Post in particular,
who've been telling us what's going on in the courtroom.
But that was I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Believe that one, you know, And I hope she went
straight to the airport, got on a plane and is
lying on a beach somewhere beautiful, because she went to
Helen Back this past week.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And some of her testimonies may sound like she went
to Helen Back while dating Diddy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
For three years transition, but I applaud that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And look, the other thing that played role in the
triol we're gonna rap on this one is somebody we
don't know. There is someone who played a role yesterday
in a major way, and we don't know who the
hell it is yet we're talking Robes. This is a
fascinating story. So there's a mystery wrapper unidentified. Everybody's trying
(13:20):
to figure out who it is online right now at least.
But the story goes Robes that she went to Vegas
on a private plane with an iconic rapper and his
girlfriend or his wife, whoever it was. And while she
was out there, she ran in two an Antoine who
was a favorite escort that did he like to use
(13:42):
in his freak offs. So while she's out in Vegas,
she ends up at a party in a hotel room
where Anton is performing, where he is having sex with
somebody in a bed in front of a crowd of people.
Now why this all matters because several months later, when
(14:03):
this young lady was with Diddy and for freak Off,
they got into a fight. This was the one she
described a brutal.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Brutal she yeah, this is the one that he came
into her home in La. She had to hide from
him for two hours. He punched, he broke down doors,
he punched, She had welts, she had bruises, and he
told her, hey, put those injuries on ice when she
came back in and get ready to perform, because I
called Antoine over.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Totally called them, called the next guy, and the next
gun happened to be Antine. Now Diddy didn't know this
at the time, but of course she knows this guy already.
He finds out later that she had gone to another
man's freak off and gets pissed. So that's the story.
So what was the debate robes beforehand? Is the DeFi
(14:55):
is a fight over whether or not that rapper's name
was going to come up in testimony.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And the defense wanted his name, yes, said aloud and
put into the court record. And why did the prosecution
not want the rapper named.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I can't remember their answer. I just remember what the
defense said. They said, we want because this could possibly
open things up to other witnesses who could possibly come
forward and help us in our case.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Don't you think that the defense is hoping that the
jury that the world hears about this other rapper and
that he also has freaks and it won't make Diddy
seem so awful and so bizarre and so perhaps even
criminal because other people are doing it too.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They're trying to make a suggestion as well from or
trying to show that the witness Jane was of her
own free will attending some of these things, and even
when Diddy wasn't around, she was found herself in these situations.
So they were trying to make a point, but just
for everybody in the room. Part of the reason you
(16:02):
could say a rapper is a bunch of rappers out there,
say a popular rapper. Fine, they call this guy an icon.
They say he is a very successful rapper. He is
someone that knows mister Colmbs really well, that mister Gomes
is close to and they use the words that he
has icon status in the rap game. Now, there is
(16:24):
a small group of folks who have that if that's true,
that's a very small group. So now everybody's going to like,
what the hell. So it's played such a big role
because everybody's wondering, like what.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's interesting because with all of the folks who knew
what was going on with Diddy, right, he had a
large enough entourage, and all of those people who were
working for him had to know what was happening behind
the scenes. And so if there's someone else in that
same world doing similar things, you'd think there are a
lot of people who not just think they know, but
(16:55):
actually know through experience who that other rapper is, because
it appear he would also have to have other people
helping him put these huge sex.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Party, hotel party freak offs.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
On, and uh yeah, that's got a lot of people digging.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I said, you be into whatever you want to be into.
As long as you're not hurting yourself or somebody else,
I got no problem with it. Oh that's my phone
is going off there for the very popular song from
a very different rapper, different rapper. Make sure that's clear.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Everyone now knows TJ's ring tone is. They're not like us.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Kendrick Lamar just a coincidence that just happened to go
off while we were talking about this. Let's all make
that okay, is making sure that's but look, see this
was a room, this was an audience that was watching this.
A lot of people are aware of this stuff going on,
and they're in a Vegas and I'm sure it's wasn't
(17:54):
an off the strip hotel. This was a nice Vegas strip.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Where everything no I'm kidding but kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But it's happening right there and are under our noses
in the next room. That's wild to think.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
About it next time we go to a Vegas hotel
or frankly some of these hotels in New York City
who have been named. I don't know that I'm ever
going to feel the same in one of those hotel rooms.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Essex House, Wing you going animo, can't do it, no way, Okay,
Let's make sure we're clear here. No nothing bad negative,
We're not trashing the Essex House.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Can you imagine bringing a blue light? Isn't that what
those things are into one of those rooms now and
just could There's no way they could have cleaned it
all up like oil like that. There's no way and
all those fluids they were talking about. Honestly, it makes
me never want to stay in a hotel room ever again.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And it's weird you can't even say, well, I want
to stay in just the nicest places. These were all nicest.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
They were the sweets place.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Probably the more expensive it is, the higher chance it
was that.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It was used in a freak off.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You know what, that's what we should do. Then I'll
just get junior sweets from now on. We should we know,
did he didn't use a Jinger Street We should be fine.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We could just get like the basic, lowest priced room
and you know, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The King would not have stayed there.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You all, it's amazing. Look, it's been a long several
weeks and a long week this week. Look there's a
lot going on, and I'm glad we can put a
smile on our face and maybe we could report about
something that's not so damn violent or completely destructive. But
we're trying to all make sense of this thing. Folks.
We appreciate you continuing to listen to us. But that's
your update for today. More baby oil guns, Adjuror and
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the hug Let's.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
End on the Let's end on the hug.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah give, Give someone you love or maybe even someone
who've been having a problem with a hug today and
see how that starts your weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But thanks for listening to us.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Everyone, have a great day.
Hey, they're folks, and welcome to this episode of Amy
and TJ continuing to give you your Diddy trial updates
day and day out. It is Friday, June thirteenth, Yes,
Friday the thirteenth, and as Werowaka and I sit here
to give you the update, court is in session here
on this Friday, A key witness is off the stand.
(00:22):
New witnesses are going to be up there today, but
Robes again a little drama before they even got two witnesses,
and we had two issues in particular this morning we
want to pass along to you, folks, And this was
just happening as we were recording this. So as of
this recording, these two issues just popped up before they
were able to even get the testimony.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, they had an issue with someone who's going to
be testifying, Homeland Security Special Agent Andre Lamon. There was
a discussion as to whether or not he could testify
about guns found in Diddy's home. So they went back
and forth on that, and then there was another issue
regarding that juror, that duror that they said wasn't forthcoming
(01:03):
in wardere where he was describing where he lived apparently
was at issue, and so there was a lot of
back and forth between the defense and the prosecution on that.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So let's go with the Homeland security expert or excuse
me as to say agent. He was a part of
the raid on Ditty's home, those initial raids that were
all over television, all the talk of baby oil that
was found at the house and all this, and they
did find guns. The defense was adamant. I mean, they
are fighting, and they were fighting and fighting fighting this morning.
Say we do not want this man talking about guns.
(01:35):
They thought that could be prejudicial. Yeah, if you're getting
up there talking about a guy in a racketeering case
and some guy gets up there, so you have found
this gun, this gun, and this gun. They found a compromise.
I guess the judge was going to allow him to
do it, but you said you have to do it.
But put it in context. The guns that were.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Found, correct, the defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ditty's defense attorney said, I want to know exactly where
the guns were. He said, I don't want to start
playing rush roulette with guns, which is the way you
played Russian roulette.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Aha haha ha.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So a little humor there as they're going back and forth.
But the judge did decide that the Homeland Security agent
can testify about guns found in one of Sean Combe's mansions,
and the prosecution has to address the defense team's concerns
by clarifying in their questioning that there was no sign
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of impropriety on how the guns were kept in his home.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
It was just there. That's all I can say. The
guns were there. That still could be prejudiciar. You see
what But it sounds from the reporters in the room
that the defense was fighting tooth and nail to not
have this stuff mentioned. This gives ad a wrong impression.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I should say words like adamant. They were adamant that
this not happened.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yes, they didn't want this, soh that is being allowed.
The Whomeland Security agent is on the stand now, he's
been testifying to other stuff that he did found. I
was just asking you, why would you have a cooler
bag full of baby oil? So he listed a whole
bunch of stuff that they actually found in Diddy's home,
A bunch of Milila envelopes with k on them, and
then inside there was a substance and it was tested
(03:08):
for ketminetamine.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right, that would make sense.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They but they were lately. You need to label your ketamine?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well maybe you know, when you have a lot of
drugs floating around your home, you got to keep it all.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's my point.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Labeled and you know what you're taking. That's great, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You're taking so many drugs that you have to have
Manila envelopes and labels to know which drugs are witch.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's odd to think even though they were using drugs,
they were being safe about it. This makes sure nobody.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Takes the wrong You don't want to take ketamine when
you think you're taking advil or I don't know, cocaine.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't even know how they all look. Seems like
they would look very different from one another, but maybe
they aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Not wild to say. I have no idea what kenmy
looks like. Does it come in pill form? Is it
in liquid?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
For?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I actually don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
The only thing I know that cocaine is a white
pottery substance.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I know that. But other than that, I wouldn't be
a scarface too.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I know what that looks like. I have no idea
what ketamine looks like. But they listed all these things,
and yes, this one detail though was it eighteen They
say commercial sized boxes of astroglide astro That is disturbing,
that's wild. But he said yes, they ended up being
like nine hundred bottles of lubricant altogether, and yes, a
(04:19):
whole bunch of baby oil. But I asked you. He said,
they found a cooler bag full of baby oil. And
I said, why would you put it in a cooler bag?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And because this is my best guess that a cooler
bag is waterproof, and so it's usually there to hold
ice or something to keep something cool, but it could
also prevent baby oil from spilling when you're transporting it.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It could leak into other fabrics.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So this way the baby oil would stay in the
cooler bag and not get all over the place, because
you know, sometimes you have a half used bottle. Doesn't
sound like they had too many half used bottles bottles,
but maybe they did and they wanted to make sure
they kept That is just such a bizarre thing that
you're transporting baby oil from hotel to hotel.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
How do you get that through the tea? I guess
you got to check that bag.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Oh no, you remember from earlier they used to send
people to get candles and send me where it gets tough.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Okay, they didn't travel with it, just from the store
to the hotel.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You need a cooler bag.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know what, you make a good You've spoken like
a true parent. That sounds like something a parent due
to make sure the baby didn't spill something, you would
get a cooler bag, something that's easily you conceal. That
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It makes you think of a lunchbox exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You get your kids these little lunch boxes so that
they don't spill and they can keep their little sandwich cool.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Not quite like that, but I'm glad we could add
a little levity to all this baby oil talk. That
was issue number one this morning. So he is as
we speak, he is on the stand and being allowed
to talk about all the things that he found in
the home. The other issue rose We've been talking about
this juror for weeks. People have concerns about this juror.
Even the judge had concerns. We don't know for sure
(05:51):
if this was the person that Diddy was looking at
when he got reprimanded by the judge. He was nodding
to someone. What was the word the judge Lute used,
He was nodding aggressively, yes, but nodding to some juror.
What has come up about a juror the prosecution investigated.
They said this person had a lack of candor with
the court, so they were wanting them possibly removed. The
(06:14):
defense was saying, no, we want to keep this juror,
and that robed to some of the back and forth
this morning.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, and I don't still even hearing what was said
back and forth, I'm still not super clear on what
the issue was other than it had something to do
with where he lived. But the judge said that he
didn't believe there was He said that there was a
facial inconsistency in the juror's answer to questions about where
he lived. And the judge said this, he thought that
(06:40):
it was fair and reasonable that the prosecution would raise
that issue to the court, that there were concerns if
he wasn't totally truthful about that, what else could they
take for truth or fact. So the judge also pushed
back and was not happy that the defense suggests that
there was some sort of bias. The defense had said
(07:04):
that they believed the prosecution trying to have this duror removed,
was waging a thinly veiled effort to dismiss a black juror.
The judge said, that is not happening. There is no
bias in any of any kind, and it's totally reasonable
that the government brought this up. And so the judge
said he might possibly pull the juror aside after testimony
(07:25):
today and speak to him. But the defense didn't necessarily
like that either, But.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The judge sounded reasonable. I know a lot is on
the line. Defence is doing their job. He said, this
is probably just an innocent mistake. Let me talk to
the guy before we have to remove somebody. I judge
says he's going to look into this, take it up again,
maybe later. But that juror is still on that jury
doing his thing as we speak.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And I don't believe this juror knows that we're talking
about him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, while this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Dude, he's forty one years old, he's from the Bronx,
he's a corrections officer. He has no what he loves
nineties rap music. We know that, but he has no
idea we're discussing him on this podcast, or that the
judge is discussing him, or that there's any sort of
fight between the defense and the prosecution over him.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Didn't they make the argument The defense said, well, don't
call him in there. He's gonna feel like he's been
singled out and picked on. That's harassing the juror.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That's exactly what the defense said, So they don't want
him to even be aware that there's any issue with
what answer he gave when they were questioning him. But
the judge said he would take the defense's concern into consideration,
but he would make that decision and possibly possibly speak
to that juror later today to decide if everything was kosher.
But he felt like things were probably fine.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So that issue seems to continue. That's not done just yet,
but something to keep an eye on. The rolls we
been covering this. This is the fifth week of testimony
that's wrapping up now. There have been a bunch We
keep talking about. Heartbreaking moments, gripping moments, painful moments, jaw
(08:54):
dropping moments. We keep coming up every day like wow,
it's another than another one. I do not think I
heard about anything in this entire trial that was more
shocking and powerful and maybe even important than what happened
with Jane when she finished. It wasn't something we finally
heard from Jane, but something Jane did when she finally
(09:16):
got through testifying. That is the moment of the trial
for me so far.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I agree, and I don't think we're as humans used
to seeing people be kind and loving, especially in a
public way, and especially in a trial like this. But
that is exactly what Jane managed to do after she
testified for six days grueling, excruciating testimony, and she got
she got asked tough, hard questions, and yet when she
(09:44):
finally finished, she walked over and she hugged the prosecutor.
But even more remarkably, she then turned and walked over
to the defense attorney who had been grilling her.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Tiny grinning grows, Gary goes right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Teddy, Gary goes and hugged her as well. What a moment,
How powerful? That was just a simple hug, but it
said so much about who she is and hopefully perhaps
I mean, she said she wanted peace, she wanted peace
for Diddy, and her actions spoke even louder than her words.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
My first thought of this was about the end of
a game or the end of a boxing match. We
just went out here and beat the hell out of
each other for twelve rounds, I'm hurting you hurting. We
talked all that smack before the fight. There was even
some dirty stuff that happened during the fight. But the
fight's over, and let's just acknowledge that we had to
(10:51):
do what we had to do. But now it's over.
That is what it looked like to me, that we
all just went through this pain. We didn't appreciate having
to put you through it. We're all we all had
a job to do, and you had a job to
do on the stand. And it felt like she just
acknowledged to everybody, Okay, guys, good game, almost if you
will just.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I hadn't thought about that, like a sports analogy that
makes a lot of sense. It also felt like her
kind of owning the moment for herself. It wasn't about
anyone else. It was about her extending grace, and that
hug for me was closure in a way, like she
could put this chapter now to rest. She did what
she thought was the right thing to do, and she
(11:33):
wasn't doing it.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It feels like.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
When she ended with that hug, she wasn't doing it
for vengeance or for to get back at Ditty or
to make sure he goes to jail. She I believe,
sat up there and did the best job she could
to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
And yeah, it was it was a peace offering at
the end. That really was incredible.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It was I mean, the emotion that finally came out.
I say this to you all the time. Sometimes we
have a long day and exhausting, just run and run
and running, and I'm fine as it's happening, But it's
the I mean, the second that we're done, everything just
releases and you just exhausted, and you just break down
almost emotionally. I almost want to cry. It felt like
this is finally over. She's been doing this for a year,
(12:16):
if you will, going back and forth and meetings with
attorneys and so on. This was finally it and maybe
she will never speak to Ditty again. It's possible this
might have been the last time she ever sees this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Wow. Wow, I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's just that what a moment. We didn't see it.
We just heard the end. We've depended on a bunch
of very good reporters at the Washington Post in particular,
who've been telling us what's going on in the courtroom.
But that was I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Believe that one, you know, And I hope she went
straight to the airport, got on a plane and is
lying on a beach somewhere beautiful, because she went to
Helen Back this past week.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And some of her testimonies may sound like she went
to Helen Back while dating Diddy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
For three years transition, but I applaud that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And look, the other thing that played role in the
triol we're gonna rap on this one is somebody we
don't know. There is someone who played a role yesterday
in a major way, and we don't know who the
hell it is yet we're talking Robes. This is a
fascinating story. So there's a mystery wrapper unidentified. Everybody's trying
(13:20):
to figure out who it is online right now at least.
But the story goes Robes that she went to Vegas
on a private plane with an iconic rapper and his
girlfriend or his wife, whoever it was. And while she
was out there, she ran in two an Antoine who
was a favorite escort that did he like to use
(13:42):
in his freak offs. So while she's out in Vegas,
she ends up at a party in a hotel room
where Anton is performing, where he is having sex with
somebody in a bed in front of a crowd of people.
Now why this all matters because several months later, when
(14:03):
this young lady was with Diddy and for freak Off,
they got into a fight. This was the one she
described a brutal.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Brutal she yeah, this is the one that he came
into her home in La. She had to hide from
him for two hours. He punched, he broke down doors,
he punched, She had welts, she had bruises, and he
told her, hey, put those injuries on ice when she
came back in and get ready to perform, because I
called Antoine over.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Totally called them, called the next guy, and the next
gun happened to be Antine. Now Diddy didn't know this
at the time, but of course she knows this guy already.
He finds out later that she had gone to another
man's freak off and gets pissed. So that's the story.
So what was the debate robes beforehand? Is the DeFi
(14:55):
is a fight over whether or not that rapper's name
was going to come up in testimony.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And the defense wanted his name, yes, said aloud and
put into the court record. And why did the prosecution
not want the rapper named.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I can't remember their answer. I just remember what the
defense said. They said, we want because this could possibly
open things up to other witnesses who could possibly come
forward and help us in our case.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Don't you think that the defense is hoping that the
jury that the world hears about this other rapper and
that he also has freaks and it won't make Diddy
seem so awful and so bizarre and so perhaps even
criminal because other people are doing it too.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They're trying to make a suggestion as well from or
trying to show that the witness Jane was of her
own free will attending some of these things, and even
when Diddy wasn't around, she was found herself in these situations.
So they were trying to make a point, but just
for everybody in the room. Part of the reason you
(16:02):
could say a rapper is a bunch of rappers out there,
say a popular rapper. Fine, they call this guy an icon.
They say he is a very successful rapper. He is
someone that knows mister Colmbs really well, that mister Gomes
is close to and they use the words that he
has icon status in the rap game. Now, there is
(16:24):
a small group of folks who have that if that's true,
that's a very small group. So now everybody's going to like,
what the hell. So it's played such a big role
because everybody's wondering, like what.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's interesting because with all of the folks who knew
what was going on with Diddy, right, he had a
large enough entourage, and all of those people who were
working for him had to know what was happening behind
the scenes. And so if there's someone else in that
same world doing similar things, you'd think there are a
lot of people who not just think they know, but
(16:55):
actually know through experience who that other rapper is, because
it appear he would also have to have other people
helping him put these huge sex.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Party, hotel party freak offs.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
On, and uh yeah, that's got a lot of people digging.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I said, you be into whatever you want to be into.
As long as you're not hurting yourself or somebody else,
I got no problem with it. Oh that's my phone
is going off there for the very popular song from
a very different rapper, different rapper. Make sure that's clear.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Everyone now knows TJ's ring tone is. They're not like us.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Kendrick Lamar just a coincidence that just happened to go
off while we were talking about this. Let's all make
that okay, is making sure that's but look, see this
was a room, this was an audience that was watching this.
A lot of people are aware of this stuff going on,
and they're in a Vegas and I'm sure it's wasn't
(17:54):
an off the strip hotel. This was a nice Vegas strip.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Where everything no I'm kidding but kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But it's happening right there and are under our noses
in the next room. That's wild to think.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
About it next time we go to a Vegas hotel
or frankly some of these hotels in New York City
who have been named. I don't know that I'm ever
going to feel the same in one of those hotel rooms.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Essex House, Wing you going animo, can't do it, no way, Okay,
Let's make sure we're clear here. No nothing bad negative,
We're not trashing the Essex House.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Can you imagine bringing a blue light? Isn't that what
those things are into one of those rooms now and
just could There's no way they could have cleaned it
all up like oil like that. There's no way and
all those fluids they were talking about. Honestly, it makes
me never want to stay in a hotel room ever again.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And it's weird you can't even say, well, I want
to stay in just the nicest places. These were all nicest.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
They were the sweets place.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Probably the more expensive it is, the higher chance it
was that.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It was used in a freak off.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You know what, that's what we should do. Then I'll
just get junior sweets from now on. We should we know,
did he didn't use a Jinger Street We should be fine.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We could just get like the basic, lowest priced room
and you know, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The King would not have stayed there.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You all, it's amazing. Look, it's been a long several
weeks and a long week this week. Look there's a
lot going on, and I'm glad we can put a
smile on our face and maybe we could report about
something that's not so damn violent or completely destructive. But
we're trying to all make sense of this thing. Folks.
We appreciate you continuing to listen to us. But that's
your update for today. More baby oil guns, Adjuror and
(19:39):
the hug Let's.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
End on the Let's end on the hug.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah give, Give someone you love or maybe even someone
who've been having a problem with a hug today and
see how that starts your weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But thanks for listening to us.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Everyone, have a great day.
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