November 12, 2025 • 21 mins
Democrats from the House Oversight Committee have just released three of the most damning emails to date surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein saga. They include private emails from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell and journalist Michael Wolff. In them, Epstein not only writes that President Trump “knew about the girls," but also muses why Trump hasn’t “barked” yet. Epstein also conspires with Wolff in an email just before a presidential debate in 2015 about how to leverage what Trump knows, to secure “valuable PR and political currency. The White House has responded, but these emails will require a lot more explanation than a brief statement from Karoline Leavitt.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, November twelfth, and a breaking
story on this Wednesday. The story Trump quote knew about
the girls, and with that, welcome to this episode of
Amy and TJ. Roabes. That is a direct quote from
an email exchange involving Jeffrey Epstein. Some emails were just released,
(00:26):
and these might be bombshells.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ropes, They are bombshells. This is probably the first damning slash,
smoking gun connecting Trump to Epstein. Beyond just a friendship.
He's always said that his friendship ended before any of
this was going on, and once he realized Jeffrey Epstein
was being quote unquote a creep to some of his employees,
(00:52):
he kicked him out and their friendship ended. So this
would fly in the face of that.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It flies in the face of that because it was
very easy for people to get in front of a
microphone and say, hey, this didn't happen. I didn't know him,
we weren't close, and people can have all kinds of
he said, She said, these are emails that go back
a decade plus, people talking in private, not ever thinking
these are going to get released. This is giving us
(01:20):
insight and quite frankly, some truth the way we've never
necessarily seen it before in this story, certainly the way
it goes with their relationship Epstein and Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Look, I know that there are conspiracy theorists out there abound,
but there has always been a glaring lack of transparency.
And so when President Trump said he was going to
actually lift the veil on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, that
he was going to have his people interview Glaine and
(01:53):
we were going to get to the bottom of things.
When we got what we received, what the Trump administration
allowed to be released, there was nothing of any consequence,
truly or substance that we didn't already know. And to
be told, there is nothing else when these girls are
(02:14):
saying there's a lot more. When we have Virginia Giuffrey posthumously,
but even in the decades leading up to her untimely death,
was saying there's more to this story. And now we
get these emails.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And what we're talking about, folks, is three emails. So
here we are, we're recording this midday before even noon
here on this Wednesday. Emails just dropped from the House
Oversight Committee. We're talking about three email exchanges, in particular,
now I say the House Oversight Committee, but we're talking
about the Democrats on this House Oversight Committee that have
(02:51):
been subpoenaing documents from the Jeffrey Epstein estate. This is
a part of that stack of documents. Now, there are
plenty more documents, but the Democrats decided they only wanted
to release these in particular. Now, Roobes, you don't even
have to be cynical on this one. Today, on the
(03:11):
day there just happened to be ending the longest shutdown
in government history, the whole narrative might be possibly changing
in DC correct.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, look, the end of the shutdown is certainly
good news for federal workers, for people who have air
travel over the next few days and weeks and months.
But certainly this isn't a good thing for Democrats. Most
Democrats are upset.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
They lost.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They have egg on their face. They took this stand
only to surrender and get nothing in return. So, now,
if you can shift the narrative, if you can now
get everyone not talking about that and instead talking about
President Trump, this is one hell of a way to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Like the House Oversight Committee, the House that ain't been
at work in two.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Months, some of them have been working feverishly, just not
on reopening the government, They've been working feverishly to connect
Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein as they have been Look,
we have been doing podcasts on some of what they
have been releasing, and they've been releasing and clearly trying
to connect the dots that what's happening with Gallaine Maxwell
(04:21):
and the seemingly preferential treatment she's been receiving, and the
fact that he hasn't ruled out pardoning her as some
sort of sweetheart, backdoor deal that's going on. And now
to have these emails come out, it does make connecting
those dots seem a little easier.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All Right, We're going to give you directly without interpretation
at least at first, and let you hear what these
emails are. Now, there are three exchanges. We will read
them verbatim to you.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, So this first exchange is between Jeffrey Epstein and
Gallaine Maxwell, and it is dated April second, two thousand
and eleven. So this is after his sweetheart deal. This
is after he got off with really a slap on
(05:10):
the wrist, truly for all that had already been known.
Jeffrey Epstein writes this, I want you to realize that
that dog that has embarked is Trump a victim. We
didn't have the name. Victim spent hours at my house
with him. He has never once been mentioned, police chief, etc.
(05:31):
I'm seventy five percent there. Glene Maxwell writes back, I
have been thinking about.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That some stuff, and they're not exactly clear what there
are a reference to. Now victim, the name is redacted.
We're going to get into who. The White House in
their response says they believe the person being mentioned. They
flat out come out and say this victim's name in
their response. Will read you their full response. But gropes
(05:58):
how damning is that this victim spent hours at my
house with Donald Trump? This is dated twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And saying that Trump has chosen not to talk or
not to tell on Jeffrey Epstein or say that he
knew of or had witnessed anything. Why would someone not
want to say that they could add to the investigation
or give more information dot dot dot.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We'll get to the second email exchange here. Now this
one we're taking him in chronological order here, but this
was many many years later, in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
This is an exchange between author and journalist Michael Wolfe
and Jeffrey Epstein. It is dated December fifteenth, sixteen and
sixteenth of twenty fifteen. So Michael Wolfe sends this to
Jeffrey Epstein. I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight
about his relationship with you, either on air or in
(06:57):
scrum afterward. Jeffrey, if we were able to craft an
answer for him, what do you think it should be?
Michael wolf responds, I think you should let him hang himself.
If he says he hasn't been on the plane or
to the house, then that gives you valuable pr and
(07:18):
political currency. You can hang him in a way that
potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it
really looks like he could win, you could save him
generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked,
he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten
a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness,
(07:38):
which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. Wow,
that one is frightening.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's frightening. It's damning for Michael wolf is it now?
His name is being thrown around a lot, and he
is absolutely trending as we speak now. He did give
a response, at least according to See an End to
them about it, saying, I don't quite remember the context,
but I was engaged then in an in depth conversation
with Epstein about his relationship with Trump, and this seems
(08:08):
to be part of that conversation. That was his response.
The wh this ill.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Is this looks like he was collaborating with, conspiring with,
advising with and looking to use Trump to gain some
sort of advantage.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Is this what that all that city in the world
really is in politics? He is actually saying to him
that you you can actually work this thing to your favor.
You can blackmail the president. You can because of what
you know, which is what.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's what the implication is, you know that he knows,
and just by him knowing, even if he didn't do
anything participate in any illegal activity, knowing and not acknowledging it,
disteing yourself from something that you were in the middle of.
All of that obviously would be damning as hell to
President Trump. And look, this is while he is running
(09:10):
for his first term in office. And to think that
they were both saying, hey, and if he becomes president,
that could actually work to our advantage because we could
have him owing us.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
They want him to deny it. They're saying, if he
comes out and denies all this stuff in public, you
are golden because you know it's a lie.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It generates a debt. That suff generates a debt. That
is such a frightening phrase that was written. And again
these are emails that neither Jeffrey Epstein nor Michael Wolfe
thought would ever see the light of day.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The last exchange here was dated January thirty first, twenty nineteen,
So again, many years later, this was between you know what,
looking at this date twenty nineteen, when did he die?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He died? Epstein died by suicide in nineteen twenty. He
died that same year he died in I believe it
was the summer of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It might have been AUGUSTA yeah, I'm just August. It
is just coming to mid So this appears to be
the year that he passed. January thirty first, twenty nineteen
is when this email exchange is dated. But soign exchange
is just one way an email the Democrats released from
Jeffrey Epstein to the author Michael Wolfe. You have a
victim's name redacted, and then it just says Mara Lago.
(10:26):
Then you have something else redacted, and then it continues
from Jeffrey Epstein to Michael Wolfe saying, Trump said, he
asked me to resign, never a member. Ever, of course
he knew about the girls as he asked Gallane to stop.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
That is the most damning of the three. Yes, they're
all pretty awful, but this one makes me feel physically ill,
it really does it. Actually, it makes me emotional because
no one believed these girls. No believe Virginia. And she
was pointing the finger at Galline. She was pointing the
(11:03):
finger at Epstein, and to think, and she said, powerful
people know what he's doing. And he is very much
making it clear to all of us girls that he
is so connected with so many powerful people. We can't
tell anyone, and no one will believe us, and even
if they did, they won't be able to do anything
about it because of who his friends are. So to
(11:26):
see this in writing is really really awful.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
This is years ago. I'm not exactly sure at this point, Romes,
most people listening have a general idea of this story
and what it's about, and can hear these emails for
themselves and can piece it together and already know, ooh,
that's bad. It doesn't need that much context, and it's
hard to understand the defense for this or the explanation.
(11:53):
Now you've been looking, right, we've both been trying to
get as much done on the story as we can.
Have you seen anywhere you mentioned conspira theories earlier and
the theorist out of there. There's no one trying to
say this is fake or these were made up emails?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right, No, because no, I haven't seen that anywhere. And
my point being that some people were acting as though
some of the girls, some of the other folks who
were demanding transparency were believing or buying into conspiracy theories,
when the truth is, I think we know when we're
not getting all the truth, and I think everybody felt
(12:27):
uneasy about that fact that we weren't getting the whole truth,
that it was being suppressed, and so seeing these emails
one hundred percent confirms that. So anyone who wanted to
throw conspiracy theorists at the folks who were actually demanding
or looking for the truth. Here is exhibit A.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I guess these were our dated literally the decade plus ago,
exchanges from people in private that never thought these would
make it to the light of day, who are speaking
honestly to each other about some pretty awful stuff. Know
how we can take these as anything other than the
truth being exchanged from people in private.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, and look, I'm not surprised, but I am sickened.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I what is it? I guess you know, you want
to kind of believe. You wanna believe that these folks
weren't involved. You want to, you actually want to. And
as we never got a hard, concrete evidence in proof
right of certain things, and even folks were coming out,
(13:30):
even I Gleam Maxwell, nobody ever said they saw Trump
do anything wrong. You want to believe, even though you
know there's a connection, you want to believe to see this.
I don't know how this is short of evidence. Not
that he is a criminal of any kind in any
of this, Let's make that clear. But there is more
(13:51):
to President Trump and this relationship and what we know
about what he knows. And this makes it feel worse.
It does, But they had an answer for this. Folks,
stay here, we'll come back. We're going to give you
the full and lengthy White House response to these new.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Emails, continuing with this breaking news that is coming out
of Washington, d C. We are getting three damning emails
that the White House, I excuse me, that the White
(14:31):
House is now responding to, but that the House Democrats
from the House Oversight Committee have released. They have been
releasing emails, they've been releasing information as they have been
subpoena ing from the Jeffrey EPs Dean estate, trying to
get to the truth, trying to find out some answers
to questions that remain despite all the investigations, despite all
(14:56):
of the information that we've been given, we kind of
have all known that there was more, and we were
told from the White House that they had to redact
and keep certain files private and wouldn't be releasing them
because they were protecting victim's identities and so on and
so forth. Okay, but now these three emails come out
(15:17):
and they're nothing short of well, they're bombshells. They're jaw dropping.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
To add to the story as well, yes, Democrats released
three three emails out of twenty thousand pages. So after
the Democrats released this, Republicans came back and then did
the entire document dump, so put all twenty thousand of
the pages out. I don't know when they planned on
doing that, but the Democrats did take advantage of a
(15:44):
moment and plucked out what they wanted to and got
the headlines that they wanted. Now, you can certainly take
issue with their tactics they're timing, but you cannot deny
what is actually there. And again I was, I was
asking you, is anyone trying to say this was, Well, no,
you can't say that because it's part of a big, old,
big old file of stuff. They didn't just come out
(16:06):
of the blue and something random produced. These specifically are
a part of subpoenaid items from the Epstein estate. They
gave this to our members of Congress.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This stuff is legit, yes, and so the White House
has responded. This came from Carolyn Levitt, correct. This is
what she said in response to these emails. The Democrats
selectively leaked emails to the liberal media to create a
fake narrative to smear President Trump. The unnamed victim referenced
(16:43):
in these emails is the late Virginia Giuffrey, who repeatedly
said President Trump was not involved in any wrongdoing whatsoever
and couldn't have been friendlier to her in their limited interactions.
The fact remains that President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out
of his club decades ago for being a creep to
his female employees, including Jeufray. These stories are nothing more
(17:06):
than bad faith efforts to distract from President Trump's historic accomplishments,
and any American with common sense sees right through this
hoax and clear distraction from the government. Opening back up again, um.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Uh okay, I agree with the line as she says,
these stories are efforts to distract from President's accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Sure, of course they are. Believe that, and look, if
the victim, the unnamed victim, the redacted name, was Virginia Jeufrey,
it doesn't take away from what the email is implying
because Virginia, and from everything I have heard and read,
there's not one woman, There's not one young girl. At
the time, no one has said that President Trump took
(17:53):
part in any illegal behavior or activity with any woman
or underage girl. So that's never been the accusation. So
that's also distracting from what the implication is. The implication
is knowing what was going on and doing nothing about
it and denying that you knew. It's not that he
(18:15):
had anything to do specifically with the girls.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Unnamed victim reference in these emails is Virginia Gewfrey. Well,
there's a line in which an unnamed victim spent hours
at my house with Trump. That is the line from
Jeffrey Epstein Blank spent hours at my house with him.
So what is that supposed to me? If they say
(18:39):
the victim there is Virginia Jeufray.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And virgin I will tell you. Virginia. Look, just from
the interview I had with her all those years ago,
she never once said she spent hours and hours with
President Trump, So it would that would be strange. She
would think she.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Could get the victim wrong. Well, I'm saying, is it
possible with the White Houses? Of course, it's possibly mistaken.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
In or they're just choosing to name this victim because
she's passed. They can't name someone who's alive that would
be completely inappropriate. So it may be that they're choosing
that victim because she can't refute it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And she also has an accused never accused.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
She she has not, and she said he was friendly. She
said that the limited interactions she had with him were pleasant.
So I don't know. It seems difficult to put those.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Two things together, and maybe that's a part of the point,
is NonStop confusion. What actually happened? Who actually knew what?
So here we go, so you think you hear one thing,
and then I have no idea how they're going to
this story is going to unfold.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'm also interested. So Michael Wolfe, just for folks who
don't know, has written four books about the President of
the United States.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
He has been most lettering.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Adversarial I was just gonna say, towards this administration, and
is currently has a lawsuit against Malania Trump. So he's
suing Malania Trump because she threatened to sue him. So
these are not friendly folks. What I'm curious about is
if Michael Wolfe had all this information. I don't know
(20:11):
if he kept these emails, but he's a part of
these email threads. Why he wouldn't have exposed this, Why
he wouldn't have written about this, Why he wouldn't have
taken this and talked about it as a journalist as
an author. That's confusing to me. I know he might
not have wanted to be closely tied to Epstein or
in some way pulled into this narrative. But that's also
(20:32):
confusing to me.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
He is being asked a lot of questions online right
now this I don't know where this takes us. Now.
I think the story is one right, if you're on
this side, do you believe this? You on this side,
you believe that? And the truth is somewhere in the middle. Probably,
But we'll follow this when there might be an update
(20:55):
on this today as there's more fallout. But folks are
just going to hop in when this news did break.
But for now, I'm TJ. Holmes along with my partner
Amy Robot. We'll talk to you soon.
Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, November twelfth, and a breaking
story on this Wednesday. The story Trump quote knew about
the girls, and with that, welcome to this episode of
Amy and TJ. Roabes. That is a direct quote from
an email exchange involving Jeffrey Epstein. Some emails were just released,
(00:26):
and these might be bombshells.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ropes, They are bombshells. This is probably the first damning slash,
smoking gun connecting Trump to Epstein. Beyond just a friendship.
He's always said that his friendship ended before any of
this was going on, and once he realized Jeffrey Epstein
was being quote unquote a creep to some of his employees,
(00:52):
he kicked him out and their friendship ended. So this
would fly in the face of that.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It flies in the face of that because it was
very easy for people to get in front of a
microphone and say, hey, this didn't happen. I didn't know him,
we weren't close, and people can have all kinds of
he said, She said, these are emails that go back
a decade plus, people talking in private, not ever thinking
these are going to get released. This is giving us
(01:20):
insight and quite frankly, some truth the way we've never
necessarily seen it before in this story, certainly the way
it goes with their relationship Epstein and Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Look, I know that there are conspiracy theorists out there abound,
but there has always been a glaring lack of transparency.
And so when President Trump said he was going to
actually lift the veil on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, that
he was going to have his people interview Glaine and
(01:53):
we were going to get to the bottom of things.
When we got what we received, what the Trump administration
allowed to be released, there was nothing of any consequence,
truly or substance that we didn't already know. And to
be told, there is nothing else when these girls are
(02:14):
saying there's a lot more. When we have Virginia Giuffrey posthumously,
but even in the decades leading up to her untimely death,
was saying there's more to this story. And now we
get these emails.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And what we're talking about, folks, is three emails. So
here we are, we're recording this midday before even noon
here on this Wednesday. Emails just dropped from the House
Oversight Committee. We're talking about three email exchanges, in particular,
now I say the House Oversight Committee, but we're talking
about the Democrats on this House Oversight Committee that have
(02:51):
been subpoenaing documents from the Jeffrey Epstein estate. This is
a part of that stack of documents. Now, there are
plenty more documents, but the Democrats decided they only wanted
to release these in particular. Now, Roobes, you don't even
have to be cynical on this one. Today, on the
(03:11):
day there just happened to be ending the longest shutdown
in government history, the whole narrative might be possibly changing
in DC correct.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, look, the end of the shutdown is certainly
good news for federal workers, for people who have air
travel over the next few days and weeks and months.
But certainly this isn't a good thing for Democrats. Most
Democrats are upset.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
They lost.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They have egg on their face. They took this stand
only to surrender and get nothing in return. So, now,
if you can shift the narrative, if you can now
get everyone not talking about that and instead talking about
President Trump, this is one hell of a way to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Like the House Oversight Committee, the House that ain't been
at work in two.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Months, some of them have been working feverishly, just not
on reopening the government, They've been working feverishly to connect
Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein as they have been Look,
we have been doing podcasts on some of what they
have been releasing, and they've been releasing and clearly trying
to connect the dots that what's happening with Gallaine Maxwell
(04:21):
and the seemingly preferential treatment she's been receiving, and the
fact that he hasn't ruled out pardoning her as some
sort of sweetheart, backdoor deal that's going on. And now
to have these emails come out, it does make connecting
those dots seem a little easier.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All Right, We're going to give you directly without interpretation
at least at first, and let you hear what these
emails are. Now, there are three exchanges. We will read
them verbatim to you.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, So this first exchange is between Jeffrey Epstein and
Gallaine Maxwell, and it is dated April second, two thousand
and eleven. So this is after his sweetheart deal. This
is after he got off with really a slap on
(05:10):
the wrist, truly for all that had already been known.
Jeffrey Epstein writes this, I want you to realize that
that dog that has embarked is Trump a victim. We
didn't have the name. Victim spent hours at my house
with him. He has never once been mentioned, police chief, etc.
(05:31):
I'm seventy five percent there. Glene Maxwell writes back, I
have been thinking about.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That some stuff, and they're not exactly clear what there
are a reference to. Now victim, the name is redacted.
We're going to get into who. The White House in
their response says they believe the person being mentioned. They
flat out come out and say this victim's name in
their response. Will read you their full response. But gropes
(05:58):
how damning is that this victim spent hours at my
house with Donald Trump? This is dated twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And saying that Trump has chosen not to talk or
not to tell on Jeffrey Epstein or say that he
knew of or had witnessed anything. Why would someone not
want to say that they could add to the investigation
or give more information dot dot dot.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We'll get to the second email exchange here. Now this
one we're taking him in chronological order here, but this
was many many years later, in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
This is an exchange between author and journalist Michael Wolfe
and Jeffrey Epstein. It is dated December fifteenth, sixteen and
sixteenth of twenty fifteen. So Michael Wolfe sends this to
Jeffrey Epstein. I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight
about his relationship with you, either on air or in
(06:57):
scrum afterward. Jeffrey, if we were able to craft an
answer for him, what do you think it should be?
Michael wolf responds, I think you should let him hang himself.
If he says he hasn't been on the plane or
to the house, then that gives you valuable pr and
(07:18):
political currency. You can hang him in a way that
potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it
really looks like he could win, you could save him
generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked,
he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten
a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness,
(07:38):
which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. Wow,
that one is frightening.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's frightening. It's damning for Michael wolf is it now?
His name is being thrown around a lot, and he
is absolutely trending as we speak now. He did give
a response, at least according to See an End to
them about it, saying, I don't quite remember the context,
but I was engaged then in an in depth conversation
with Epstein about his relationship with Trump, and this seems
(08:08):
to be part of that conversation. That was his response.
The wh this ill.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Is this looks like he was collaborating with, conspiring with,
advising with and looking to use Trump to gain some
sort of advantage.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Is this what that all that city in the world
really is in politics? He is actually saying to him
that you you can actually work this thing to your favor.
You can blackmail the president. You can because of what
you know, which is what.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's what the implication is, you know that he knows,
and just by him knowing, even if he didn't do
anything participate in any illegal activity, knowing and not acknowledging it,
disteing yourself from something that you were in the middle of.
All of that obviously would be damning as hell to
President Trump. And look, this is while he is running
(09:10):
for his first term in office. And to think that
they were both saying, hey, and if he becomes president,
that could actually work to our advantage because we could
have him owing us.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
They want him to deny it. They're saying, if he
comes out and denies all this stuff in public, you
are golden because you know it's a lie.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It generates a debt. That suff generates a debt. That
is such a frightening phrase that was written. And again
these are emails that neither Jeffrey Epstein nor Michael Wolfe
thought would ever see the light of day.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The last exchange here was dated January thirty first, twenty nineteen,
So again, many years later, this was between you know what,
looking at this date twenty nineteen, when did he die?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He died? Epstein died by suicide in nineteen twenty. He
died that same year he died in I believe it
was the summer of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It might have been AUGUSTA yeah, I'm just August. It
is just coming to mid So this appears to be
the year that he passed. January thirty first, twenty nineteen
is when this email exchange is dated. But soign exchange
is just one way an email the Democrats released from
Jeffrey Epstein to the author Michael Wolfe. You have a
victim's name redacted, and then it just says Mara Lago.
(10:26):
Then you have something else redacted, and then it continues
from Jeffrey Epstein to Michael Wolfe saying, Trump said, he
asked me to resign, never a member. Ever, of course
he knew about the girls as he asked Gallane to stop.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
That is the most damning of the three. Yes, they're
all pretty awful, but this one makes me feel physically ill,
it really does it. Actually, it makes me emotional because
no one believed these girls. No believe Virginia. And she
was pointing the finger at Galline. She was pointing the
(11:03):
finger at Epstein, and to think, and she said, powerful
people know what he's doing. And he is very much
making it clear to all of us girls that he
is so connected with so many powerful people. We can't
tell anyone, and no one will believe us, and even
if they did, they won't be able to do anything
about it because of who his friends are. So to
(11:26):
see this in writing is really really awful.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
This is years ago. I'm not exactly sure at this point, Romes,
most people listening have a general idea of this story
and what it's about, and can hear these emails for
themselves and can piece it together and already know, ooh,
that's bad. It doesn't need that much context, and it's
hard to understand the defense for this or the explanation.
(11:53):
Now you've been looking, right, we've both been trying to
get as much done on the story as we can.
Have you seen anywhere you mentioned conspira theories earlier and
the theorist out of there. There's no one trying to
say this is fake or these were made up emails?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right, No, because no, I haven't seen that anywhere. And
my point being that some people were acting as though
some of the girls, some of the other folks who
were demanding transparency were believing or buying into conspiracy theories,
when the truth is, I think we know when we're
not getting all the truth, and I think everybody felt
(12:27):
uneasy about that fact that we weren't getting the whole truth,
that it was being suppressed, and so seeing these emails
one hundred percent confirms that. So anyone who wanted to
throw conspiracy theorists at the folks who were actually demanding
or looking for the truth. Here is exhibit A.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I guess these were our dated literally the decade plus ago,
exchanges from people in private that never thought these would
make it to the light of day, who are speaking
honestly to each other about some pretty awful stuff. Know
how we can take these as anything other than the
truth being exchanged from people in private.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, and look, I'm not surprised, but I am sickened.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I what is it? I guess you know, you want
to kind of believe. You wanna believe that these folks
weren't involved. You want to, you actually want to. And
as we never got a hard, concrete evidence in proof
right of certain things, and even folks were coming out,
(13:30):
even I Gleam Maxwell, nobody ever said they saw Trump
do anything wrong. You want to believe, even though you
know there's a connection, you want to believe to see this.
I don't know how this is short of evidence. Not
that he is a criminal of any kind in any
of this, Let's make that clear. But there is more
(13:51):
to President Trump and this relationship and what we know
about what he knows. And this makes it feel worse.
It does, But they had an answer for this. Folks,
stay here, we'll come back. We're going to give you
the full and lengthy White House response to these new.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Emails, continuing with this breaking news that is coming out
of Washington, d C. We are getting three damning emails
that the White House, I excuse me, that the White
(14:31):
House is now responding to, but that the House Democrats
from the House Oversight Committee have released. They have been
releasing emails, they've been releasing information as they have been
subpoena ing from the Jeffrey EPs Dean estate, trying to
get to the truth, trying to find out some answers
to questions that remain despite all the investigations, despite all
(14:56):
of the information that we've been given, we kind of
have all known that there was more, and we were
told from the White House that they had to redact
and keep certain files private and wouldn't be releasing them
because they were protecting victim's identities and so on and
so forth. Okay, but now these three emails come out
(15:17):
and they're nothing short of well, they're bombshells. They're jaw dropping.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
To add to the story as well, yes, Democrats released
three three emails out of twenty thousand pages. So after
the Democrats released this, Republicans came back and then did
the entire document dump, so put all twenty thousand of
the pages out. I don't know when they planned on
doing that, but the Democrats did take advantage of a
(15:44):
moment and plucked out what they wanted to and got
the headlines that they wanted. Now, you can certainly take
issue with their tactics they're timing, but you cannot deny
what is actually there. And again I was, I was
asking you, is anyone trying to say this was, Well, no,
you can't say that because it's part of a big, old,
big old file of stuff. They didn't just come out
(16:06):
of the blue and something random produced. These specifically are
a part of subpoenaid items from the Epstein estate. They
gave this to our members of Congress.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This stuff is legit, yes, and so the White House
has responded. This came from Carolyn Levitt, correct. This is
what she said in response to these emails. The Democrats
selectively leaked emails to the liberal media to create a
fake narrative to smear President Trump. The unnamed victim referenced
(16:43):
in these emails is the late Virginia Giuffrey, who repeatedly
said President Trump was not involved in any wrongdoing whatsoever
and couldn't have been friendlier to her in their limited interactions.
The fact remains that President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out
of his club decades ago for being a creep to
his female employees, including Jeufray. These stories are nothing more
(17:06):
than bad faith efforts to distract from President Trump's historic accomplishments,
and any American with common sense sees right through this
hoax and clear distraction from the government. Opening back up again, um.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Uh okay, I agree with the line as she says,
these stories are efforts to distract from President's accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Sure, of course they are. Believe that, and look, if
the victim, the unnamed victim, the redacted name, was Virginia Jeufrey,
it doesn't take away from what the email is implying
because Virginia, and from everything I have heard and read,
there's not one woman, There's not one young girl. At
the time, no one has said that President Trump took
(17:53):
part in any illegal behavior or activity with any woman
or underage girl. So that's never been the accusation. So
that's also distracting from what the implication is. The implication
is knowing what was going on and doing nothing about
it and denying that you knew. It's not that he
(18:15):
had anything to do specifically with the girls.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Unnamed victim reference in these emails is Virginia Gewfrey. Well,
there's a line in which an unnamed victim spent hours
at my house with Trump. That is the line from
Jeffrey Epstein Blank spent hours at my house with him.
So what is that supposed to me? If they say
(18:39):
the victim there is Virginia Jeufray.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And virgin I will tell you. Virginia. Look, just from
the interview I had with her all those years ago,
she never once said she spent hours and hours with
President Trump, So it would that would be strange. She
would think she.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Could get the victim wrong. Well, I'm saying, is it
possible with the White Houses? Of course, it's possibly mistaken.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
In or they're just choosing to name this victim because
she's passed. They can't name someone who's alive that would
be completely inappropriate. So it may be that they're choosing
that victim because she can't refute it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And she also has an accused never accused.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
She she has not, and she said he was friendly. She
said that the limited interactions she had with him were pleasant.
So I don't know. It seems difficult to put those.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Two things together, and maybe that's a part of the point,
is NonStop confusion. What actually happened? Who actually knew what?
So here we go, so you think you hear one thing,
and then I have no idea how they're going to
this story is going to unfold.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'm also interested. So Michael Wolfe, just for folks who
don't know, has written four books about the President of
the United States.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
He has been most lettering.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Adversarial I was just gonna say, towards this administration, and
is currently has a lawsuit against Malania Trump. So he's
suing Malania Trump because she threatened to sue him. So
these are not friendly folks. What I'm curious about is
if Michael Wolfe had all this information. I don't know
(20:11):
if he kept these emails, but he's a part of
these email threads. Why he wouldn't have exposed this, Why
he wouldn't have written about this, Why he wouldn't have
taken this and talked about it as a journalist as
an author. That's confusing to me. I know he might
not have wanted to be closely tied to Epstein or
in some way pulled into this narrative. But that's also
(20:32):
confusing to me.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
He is being asked a lot of questions online right
now this I don't know where this takes us. Now.
I think the story is one right, if you're on
this side, do you believe this? You on this side,
you believe that? And the truth is somewhere in the middle. Probably,
But we'll follow this when there might be an update
(20:55):
on this today as there's more fallout. But folks are
just going to hop in when this news did break.
But for now, I'm TJ. Holmes along with my partner
Amy Robot. We'll talk to you soon.
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