Diddy jury selection paused, ICE detains New Jersey Mayor, White South African refugees arrive

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Function That Friday, May ninety, twenty twenty five coming up
on rolland Mark Unful the streaming live of the Black
Start Network. In a surprise move, a federal judge has
postponed the sitting of a jury in the trial of
Sean Diddy. Comb's legal analyst Candy Kelly. Candice Kelly was
in the court room and she'll tell us exactly what
is going on in that particular case. A black Texas

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mother whose son was killed by a Lubbock County shares
deputy one answers about his death.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
She'll be on the show to.

Speaker 10 (04:03):
Tell us exactly what happened. Also, I'll talk to him
Missouri Democratic state representative who lit up the GOP over
the Capitol Gains bill and caring about poor people. Also
dumb ass Donald Trump calls the Mattel Toy company a country,
saying he'll slap terrors on them and the thugs in

(04:24):
Trump's ice. They arrest the mayor of New Jersey, rough
up an elderly member of Congress.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Folks, wait till we show you the video.

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Speaker 2 (04:45):
Let's go on it, whatever it is.

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Just looks he's stolen.

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It's strollen. He's here, she's real.

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Good question, No, he's rolling.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
Monte Folks, Jury select you.

Speaker 10 (05:40):
In the case of Sean Dinny Combs has been postponed
after the federal judge granted uh a request from the
defense team the prosecution. They objected to that this is
the final step to narrow down the potential draw from
forty five down to the folks who were here the
jury as well as the alternates. Legal analyst Canus Kelly

(06:01):
was sitting in the courtroom today, canis Jonas right now,
So what the heck happened?

Speaker 15 (06:06):
Well, well, here's what happened. You had forty five jurors
that we had, these hundreds of jurors finally whittled down too.
And so today was supposed to be the day where
the attorneys were supposed to ask the jurors and they
were going to seat those twelve jurors and six alternate jurors.
What happened was that over the weekend, there was one
juror who wrote the court and said, look for my
well being, I really don't want to be a part

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of this. And then there was another potential juror who
actually lied on his questionnaire. He was a part and
is a part of a lawsuit against the City of
New York, and he did not disclose that. So because
of that, we are now down to forty three jurors.
What the judge was scared of was that if the
jurors were seated today, then they would spend the next

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forty eight hours thinking about their situation, and then they'd
have even more jurors pulling out, and then Monday would
be a no go. So he decided, let's just wait
till Monday. We're going to seat all of the jurors,
and then thereafter we're going to go right into our
opening arguments. So that's what happened. They want to make
sure that this pool stays intact.

Speaker 10 (07:08):
So it's a pool of forty five, but it's going
to be narrowed down to exactly how many.

Speaker 15 (07:14):
It's going to be twelve jurors and then six alternate
ures for a total of eighteen. And right now we're
at forty three because of those two jurors who are
no longer part of this process.

Speaker 10 (07:24):
Gotcha and so but it's not like there's going to
be a delay in the trial. There's simply a delay
in this final juris selection process exactly.

Speaker 15 (07:34):
And it really is a part of strategy in order
to make sure that everybody stays intact because at that point,
if today they decided, hey, all right, we've selected our
twelve jurors and our six alternate and then out of
those twelve are those six we had more people pull out, well,
then we're back at the beginning again. And he did
not want that to happen. He knows how fraud this

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case is. He knows how worried people are about not
only their livelihoods, but their potential safety. You know what
people think of the case. People are crazy out there.
Will they say or do anything to Jurorsey. There's a
lot to think about, and if you're allowed forty eight
hours this week and to think about that, you might
potentially pull out for all of the media coverage and

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everything in and around this case. So that's where we
are now. But you know, one of the key things
today was another argument that was made, and that had
to do with Cassie and coercive force. And this was
very important because we got a chance to see the
strategy of the defense. Here's what we learn. We learned
that the defense is going to say that Cassie herself

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not only was she in an abusive, domestic, violent relationship,
but she herself was violent and therefore for her to
be coerced into a certain situation that they are saying
Diddy did, she couldn't have been coerced because she's a
fighter herself abused, she's abusive herself, and because that's the
way they interacted. The defense is saying, sean thought that

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that just carried over into other parts of their lives.
So you have to have this prerequisite of the coercion
in order to get to this sex trafficking. Which is
why this coercion part is very important. Was she coerced
or not? Is she this violent fighter that they seem
to be going in, Well, that will be in the
direction of it. The direction in that's going to be

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up to the jury to decide, but there definitely is
a part of their plan to say she herself was
an abusive partner.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
What about this missing key witness?

Speaker 15 (09:35):
Yeah, you know, the missing key witness is important because
as we go into opening arguments, we know that the
prosecution and the defense, they they lay out their roadmap
as to what witnesses are going to hear, what their
arguments are going to be, what evidence is going to
prove their case. So we have this one witness, this
victim that has gone missing in a sense, and they've

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been trying the defense. The prosecutor team has been trying
to reach her attorney and they say that there are
personal issues going on and therefore she may not be
able to be a part of this case. And this
is important and I think important for the prosecution. This
is a win for them that at least they know
beforehand she's not going to be there. Because the one

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thing you don't want to do, Roland, is promise the
jurors that they're going to hear from a witness, then
all of a sudden that witness doesn't appear. It's kind
of suspect and there certainly will we talk about that
in a deliberation room. So I'm sure that they are
glad to get that out of the way. And listen,
the door is open. Anything could happened over the weekend.
That's what's really important about this case. It is so huge,

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being compared to the od frial. It is something with
so many eyes on it. You know, tens of millions
of dollars being spent, eight weeks of time, over one
hundred witnesses. Listen, this was narrowed down from six seven
hundred people in terms of a pool of jurors down
to the forty three that we are at now. This
is a huge deal and I would say that door

(11:03):
is open for even more things to potentially change before
we hear from opening arguments on Monday.

Speaker 10 (11:10):
All right, then, so it's a lot going on there. Again,
this is expected to last some two months and again
the prosecution what they actually have to prove is that
these parties cross the line from being sex.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Drug fuel sex parties to corersion.

Speaker 15 (11:31):
Jian And then really what the defense is going to
be saying is, look, this was consensual. These are two
consenting adults, you know, Roland. A lot of people speak
about this case in terms of this being compared to
the R. Kelly case. The difference between this and R.
Kelly is that there were no children involved in this
particular case, which is why the defense is going with
these are consenting adults that are part of this. A

(11:54):
lot of people have also been asking, well, if this
is a reco case and you have different people you know,
getting together and you're part of this criminal enterprise, where
are the other people? Well, we're going to find out.
I'm sure that the other people made deals. Now is
this good for the prosecution. No, because if they made deals,
they possibly could have lied in order to get those deals.
But this is why we are seeing Sean Colms singularly

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in this courtroom because other people have made deals. But
we will certainly hear from those other people on the
witness stand tell their story.

Speaker 10 (12:25):
Indeed, indeed, all right, can this appreciate that breakdown? We're
going to take a break.

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We come back more to.

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Donald Trump, we.

Speaker 10 (14:25):
Know he can't stand black people, he can't stand women,
So is it a shock that last night he fires
the highly emminly qualified librarian over the Library of Congress.
Karla Hayden, became the country's top librarian in twenty sixteen
and had about a year and a half left on
her ten year term.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Democrats were quick to criticize the action.

Speaker 10 (14:49):
In fact, they sent her an email from an aid
of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
That's crazy.

Speaker 10 (14:55):
House Democratic leader Kim Jeffries said this statement, Doctor Carla
Hate is an accomplished principle and distinguished Librarian of Congress.
Her historic tenure has taken the institution to new heights,
and I'm thankful for.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Her incredible service.

Speaker 10 (15:08):
Donald Trump's unjust decision to fire doctor Hayden in an
email sent by a random political hack is a disgrace
and the latest in its ongoing effort to ban books
whitewashed American history and turn back the clock. The Library
of Congress is the people's library. There will be accountability
for this unprecedented assault on the American way of life sooner.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Rather than later.

Speaker 10 (15:32):
Now, Folks on Tuesday Hate and testify it for the
Sin and Appropriations Committee, but the Librariy's fiscal budget for
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Here's some of her testimony.

Speaker 19 (15:44):
This is an opportunity to provide testimony in support of
the Library's fiscal twenty twenty six budget requests. The Mission
of the Library is to engage, inspire, and inform the
Congress and the American people with the universal and enduring
source of knowledge and creativity. Above all, the Library exists

(16:04):
to serve service to Congress remains the foundation for the
Library's mission every day with analysis, policy consultations, briefings, programs,
and constituent engagement. I'd like to express my sincere gratitude
for the ongoing and extraordinary support that this Committee in
Congress gives to the Library. I especially appreciate the funding

(16:25):
you have provided for major Information technology IT investments that
we are implementing and continuously improving to meet user expectations
for greater access and new and enhanced tools.

Speaker 16 (16:39):
Also these special things.

Speaker 10 (16:41):
The first actual librarian to lead the Library of Congress,
that Lion Press Secretary of Donald Trump's Carolyn Levitt. Listen
to what this idiot had to say about the firing
today of Carla Hayden.

Speaker 12 (16:56):
President fire the Library of Congress.

Speaker 11 (16:58):
Why do you choose to do that?

Speaker 20 (17:00):
We felt she did not fit the needs of the
American people. There were quite concerning things that she had
done at the Library of Congress in the pursuit of
DEI and putting inappropriate books in the library for children,
and we don't believe that she was serving the interests
of the American tax payer. Well, so she has been
removed from her position in the president as well.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Within his rights to do that.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So what they really mean is books from black authors.
That's really what this is all about.

Speaker 10 (17:23):
So it's no shock you have these idiots with their
racist and disgusting takes on this. Again, we're talking about
the first African American, the first woman, and the actually
real librarian to hold the office. Going to bring in
Michael m Heltelp host African History Network show I Detroit,

(17:45):
joining our panel as well, and Michael, listen. They don't
want black folks, they don't want women. They damn sure
can't stand black women. That's what this is all about.

Speaker 21 (17:58):
Absolutely, and Roland, this is the bound using DEI to
wipe out African Americans all across the board. Attack African Americans,
attack Latinos, whatever it is, say that they're unqualified when
they are highly qualified. The first librarian, now, the Library
of Congress was founded in eighteen hundred, okay, found in

(18:20):
eighteen hundred, that's three years before the Louisiana purchase and
when you look at this right here, Caroline Leavitt cannot
state specifically what was done that was wrong that disqualified her.
She talked about inappropriate books in the library for children. Okay, well,
which inappropriate book? R What was inappropriate about them? So

(18:42):
what they do is they throw out DEI to attack
Harvard University, Columbia University. Howard is coming. I'm telling you,
HBCUs are coming, and they're doing this. This is straight
out of Project twenty twenty five. This is what they
want to be, what they have been planning, and all
of this is a backlash to the racial reckoning that

(19:03):
was taking place in this country as after the death
of George Floyd, and she had one year left in
her tenure. It's a ten year tenure. She was appointed
by President Barack Obama. So more things like this are coming.
This is terrible, but it's not unexpected coming from the
trade in chief.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:24):
But here's the whole deal. This is normally an a
political position. Candice the numbers astonished. First of all, this
is the actual this is how shameless these people are.
This is the email that they actually sent to Carla Hayden. Carla,
first of all has to respect you assholes by addressing
her by you know, miss Hayden or missus Hayden. Now

(19:49):
go back, go back, please, thank you. Leave it there,
Carla on behalf of President Donald J. Trump, I'm writing
to inform you at your position as a Librarian of
Congress is terminated effective be mainly thank you for service.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Ken Is that was it? That was it.

Speaker 10 (20:03):
That's how again shameful, shameful. The email is that they
actually are sent out and again, you know the Library
of Congress. To understand again the historical points. Since eighteen
o two, only fourteen people have held the position. The

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predecessor to Carl Hayten held it for twenty eight years.
This is what you get with these thugs, Donald Trump
and his thugs.

Speaker 15 (20:36):
You know what's happening, Roland. I see it as them
rolling back and not having the constitutional convention that normally
or very hard to have in order to try to
change the amendments that are out there, because one by one,
all of our amendments are being eradicated. If you, I mean,
you can look at the Fourteenth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment
in terms of due process, the First Amendment in terms

(20:57):
of you know, protesting a Columbia campus or even the
Supreme Court making a decision, and then Donald Trump saying no,
I'm just not going to listen to this nine zero
agreement by the justices. What he's doing is little by
little as he is very much tapping and tapping away

(21:18):
at all of the amendments that are out there. This time,
it is the First Amendment. This is what it's about.
It's about the First Amendment and schooling and making sure
that whatever young people read or anybody reads in any
system matches his agenda. And so we are talking really
about censorship. That is what is on the table, and

(21:39):
the First Amendment is at stake. It has always been
at stake and it will continue to be at stake
if we do not fight and become informed about these
issues so that we know the language with which we
should fight with. And that's a problem. He is in
a position now between his executive orders and this whole
DEI umbrella that we were talking about, where everything can

(22:01):
just be swept up under it. So the fight continues.
But this is all about censorship in the First Amendment.
Yes DEI, Yes, Blacks, LGBT women, I mean, you know
they've been books from women who talk about having freckles
because they are different. So we're talking about kind of
just the most ridiculous things about how they want to

(22:22):
make sure that people are not offended by certain things
because they're treated differently than another person. Very backwards approach,
and it is certainly an attack on the first Amendment.

Speaker 10 (22:34):
Yeah, I mean, but is that that's the first I mean,
when you look at all their actions, and we're going
to get to this when it comes to the arrest
of Mayor ros Baraka, they don't care about the Fifth Amendment,
they don't care about the fourteenth Amendment. The only a
meenment they care about is the Second Amendment.

Speaker 21 (22:49):
Michael, Yeah, Roland, Well, you're dealing with a thug president.
So when you have somebody that's a thirty four time
convicted felon, you can expect them not to follow the law.

Speaker 11 (23:00):
Okay.

Speaker 21 (23:01):
And so once again, this is an example how elections
have consequences.

Speaker 11 (23:06):
Okay.

Speaker 21 (23:08):
So we're going to see more of this. We have
to continue fighting against this. But this is a this
is a lawless administration.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Uh.

Speaker 21 (23:18):
And you're going to see more attacks on more attacks
using diversity, equity and inclusion actually to fire people, Okay,
We see the closing of the Minority Business Development Agency okay,
which distributed billions of dollars in contracts for African American
owned businesses. We saw that the Environmental Protection Agency was

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cutting grants, wiping out grants.

Speaker 11 (23:45):
Talking about de EI, we.

Speaker 21 (23:47):
Saw that when you look at Cancer Alley, the lawsuit
that the Department of Justice had against the petroleum company
in the petro chemical company, I should say in Louisiana,
in the area called cancer Rally.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
They dropped that lawsuit citing DEI.

Speaker 21 (24:01):
Cancer allities ninety two percent black, ninety two percent African American.
So all these policies, even though they were not one
hundred percent for African Americans, we did gain some benefit. Okay,
But now they are reversing all that.

Speaker 10 (24:15):
Slapstead of slapping d I on everything, I mean, so
this is the new critical rasis They're just it's like
we're just gonna slap d I on everything. But but
but the real thing here that canis laid out is
Donald Trump when he was see this is what people
don't understand. He was not joking when he said I
want to be a dictator on day one. His whole

(24:36):
deal is they can is they want to take as
much executive power. They believe that there is no that
legislative is irrelevant, judicial is irrelevant, that they hold all power.
He wants to be a king, he wants to be putent,
he wants to be a dictator.

Speaker 15 (24:53):
He's doing that is he's finding workarounds. He's finding workarounds
in executive orders. He's finding workarounds by you probably have
noticed in various press conferences when he's asked questions he'll
tell you, well, that's not the question that you should
be asking, or he will say I absolutely know nothing
about that, when, like Michael said, not only has he
known about it, but you know there's pen to paper

(25:14):
about it in Project twenty five. So what they're doing
is is really a lot of strategy, right, and then
they're putting things out in the forefront so that we
worry about other things and weren't worry about the desegregation
policy that was just reversed down in the Louisiana parish. Right,
we know about that, but it's not headlining news. We're

(25:35):
talking about things like the UK and tariffs, which certainly
are important, but meanwhile simmering right below everything, right, I mean,
like they say, in the South, if it was snake,
it would have bid us. It's right there. If we look,
there's a lot of snake biting that's about to go
on because he's doing things right in our faces. But
we're not paying attention. And by the we, I mean

(25:56):
people who need to be better versed on the laws
to understand what it means to go to the polls
and vote. Ninety million people sat down and didn't do
anything this type of this time around, and just being
informed enough so that you can fight for your rights.
I find that many times people do not know even
what they're supposed to fight about because they're just not

(26:18):
informed or they're misinformed by the media. So that's where
we are right now. It's really incumbent upon everybody to
do their jobs to try to make sure that everybody
is well aware of what is going and to pay
attention to the details and what's going on beyond the surface,
not just not just at the top.

Speaker 10 (26:34):
Well, yeah, but the problem is when you have media
who believes this stuff is just cute and they don't
want to call it what it is and are unwilling
to actually check him on this.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Sorry, folks are going to go to break.

Speaker 10 (26:46):
Lots of talk about, including Missouri state versimiaf who just
blisters the Republicans when it came to them in the
capitol gains build. We'll also talk about the Ice era
Newark Mayor Ros Baraka folks we're talking about. We're going
back to Jim Clark and Bull Connor days. Members of

(27:09):
Congress are outraged. In the process, they roughed up an
elderly female member of Congress.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
They're getting blasted.

Speaker 10 (27:16):
We're gonna show you the video of what took place.
It's shocking and stunning. But we know Trump doesn't care
because all they care about is playing up to the camera.
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the Little break but I had never been and I
saw side door and we got the little bus and said, let's.

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Lee this hold of me.

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Girl, and she said, oh my god.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
That's the girl callaway and I'm.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Like this, you know this And come to find out
we read the wrong door.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
She said, I'm like, you just go in there.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
But I was in Paris, France, and that shot me.

Speaker 16 (29:33):
She knew my name, she knew me my movie.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
You know.

Speaker 23 (29:37):
So it's like you this guys, they say building, they
won't come.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I said, people will find it. They won't.

Speaker 8 (29:57):
This week, on the other side of change.

Speaker 15 (30:00):
Let's talk vote Blue no matter how.

Speaker 24 (30:02):
We need political imagination more than ever, And unfortunately some
people on the Democratic side.

Speaker 15 (30:07):
Really are discouraging that we're gonna dig into all of this.

Speaker 25 (30:10):
The Democratic Party needs to remember who they are and
who they are responsible to.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
This is on the other side of change, only on
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 22 (30:23):
This is Reggie Rock by Phil You're watching.

Speaker 26 (30:25):
Willman Latin, unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undamn believable him.

Speaker 10 (31:25):
All right, folks, A lot of drama happening when it
comes to HBCU president, We're going to show you again.
We'll Packer Florida, A and M, a prominent graduate, just
ripped into one of the choices for their finalists, targeting
a black what he calls the Black maca Republican now

(31:46):
Bethune Cookman. Also in Florida, they've announced the finalist three
finalists for their president to leave the historic one hundred
and twenty four year old HBCU and DAYTONA Beach, A
fifteen member of search committee, a board member, faculty, students, alumni,
communit leaders have narrowive field to the candidates. They will
each will visit the campus for interviews of community conversations.

(32:07):
The finals are at Doctor Albert Moseley, the president of
Morningside University in Iowa, a first generation in college graduately
the wholest degree is from Duke and Yale, is known
for innovating innovation expanding access. Doctor Tundra Nika Nica Coban Farrell,
vice President of Academic Affairs at Palm Beach State College.
She leaves the five campus system with more than forty

(32:28):
thousand students. She's an alum of Florida Atlantic University and
known for student success in equity leadership, and also of
doctor Sharonda Gibbs, the dean of Business in Economics at
Morehouse College. She has degrees from Gramland State, Jackson State
and is respected for her work in entrepreneurship in faculty development.
So that's what's happening at Mathillam Cookman. We told you

(32:49):
earlier the week the president of Jackson State abruptly resigned.
They still have not given any reason why he is resigned.
And the presidential search at Florida AN THEM is not
going well and Nation and I've gotten emails from folks
about what's going on at Florida A and M, and
they say that one candidate absolutely should not be considered.

(33:12):
They have been targeting Marva Johnson, a telecom executive. She's
a lobbyist for Comcast with extensive ties to Governor Ron
DeSantis also was one of the electors for Donald Trump,
and they've been hitting her hard, saying not only has
she never run a university, they said, she's never worked
at a university, but she is one of the finalists from.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
The for the President's office.

Speaker 10 (33:37):
Now, starting Monday, the finalists will begin interviews, visiting the campus,
meeting with faculty, students, and staff. And also the interviews
will be live stream. We'll be carrying those interviews right
here on the black Star Network.

Speaker 13 (33:50):
Now.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
As I said, Florida A and M alum will packard.

Speaker 10 (33:54):
Hollywood, Hollywood producer who's given lots of money. The Amphitheater
on campus is named after him. He dropped this video
last night and has continued to put pressure, calling on
Florida A and M rattlers to stand up and again.
He is specifically targeting Marva Johnson, saying she is grossly
unqualified to even be a finalist to be the president

(34:17):
of Florida A and M. This is what he dropped
on social media.

Speaker 27 (34:21):
This is an urgent message for alumni and students of
Florida and M University and a warning for all those
who love and support HBCUs.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
HBCUs are under attack.

Speaker 27 (34:34):
MAGA is trying to take over leadership at several of
our beloved institutions Right now, Fam, you is in the bullseye.
Hear me loud and clear, Right this very minute, a
group of activists Republicans are trying to put in the
highest position of power someone who is solidly and objectively
unqualified for it.

Speaker 12 (34:54):
Her name is Marva Johnson. Fam You Deserves Better.

Speaker 27 (35:00):
Johnson has been named a finalist for the Family Presidency
by Florida Republicans who sit on the Presidential Search Committee.

Speaker 12 (35:06):
Let me tell you a little bit about Marva Johnson.

Speaker 27 (35:08):
She is a career lobbyist with no experience in higher
education administration. Literally the same amount of higher education admin
experience as you or I zero.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
None.

Speaker 27 (35:21):
Now, this is not just about her being a stoughtch Republican.
Everyone has a right to their own political affiliations. But
what we cannot allow is a hostile takeover by someone
who is aligned with a party that has loudly and
proudly espoused ideologies that attack diversity and diverse institutions, attack
equitable economics, and attack inclusive principles, the exact pillars that.

Speaker 12 (35:46):
Institutions like fam You were built upon.

Speaker 27 (35:49):
There is no place for that hateful and divisive rhetoric,
not at the College of Love and Charity. As an
active and proud alumni, who has given money, who has
given time, who is given untold effort to the place
that helped shape me, I refuse to sit idly by
and watch others attempt to destroy the legacy.

Speaker 12 (36:06):
That so many who came before us have built.

Speaker 22 (36:08):
Neither should you.

Speaker 12 (36:11):
Now this process is moving fast.

Speaker 27 (36:13):
These thirteen individuals make up the FAMU Board of Trustees.
Possibly as soon as next week, they will vote on
the next president.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
We have to act now.

Speaker 12 (36:23):
I want you to take a minute to do two things.

Speaker 27 (36:25):
First, screenshot this page right now and reach out to
as many of these trustees as you can to let
them know that FAMU is too important to be entrusted
to the likes of Marba Johnson. Second, I want you
to add your name to the fam you Deserves Better
petition created by FAMU students at change dot org. And
then stay tuned for more details on student lab protests

(36:48):
taking place on campus in Tallahassee.

Speaker 12 (36:50):
Next Wednesday, May fourteen.

Speaker 27 (36:53):
It's time to take a stand right now, Rattler Nation,
fam you Deserves Better let go.

Speaker 10 (37:02):
That's a really strong statement there, Candice. And here's the
thing that we have been talking about. When you look
at your prow to HBCUs, most of them are state
schools located in red states, and so the reality is
folks like going to Aronda Sands, they have control over that.

(37:22):
But even though but the when Cookman is a private institution,
same thing has happened there. There's been a lot of
criticism of them. If you might remember, they were the
ones who invited as the keynote speaker, the commissment speaker,
Betsy de Voss was she was Education secretary and man
that didn't go over well, no it did not.

Speaker 15 (37:43):
And you know, that's what you call advocacy when you
look at what Will Packer is doing, that's what you
call informing people, giving them information that we are not
seeing in the headlines and letting them do their own
research and finding out to choose for themselves. Because he
is telling the truth. It would be very difficult to
have someone that has no experience a university. She hasn't
even been at a university. That's really impossible. In the

(38:05):
world of academia, you normally have to go through certain
thresholds before you even get to a point to be
considered to be a candidate in order to go through
the process. It is a very very tight process. But
what I really like is what students are doing, because
the students are the ones who are paying the tuition.
The students are the ones who are getting out loans
in order to go to this universe, to this college,

(38:28):
you know, and it makes sense for them that they
have the voice in order to make sure that things
happen or don't happen, and having that power is really
important to realize. So I'm just glad to see that
that is happening, because they do have a say in
the process, and they should have a say in the
process if they don't. When they have the opportunity to
hear all of these candidates, I do hope that the

(38:50):
students will come and listen to the presentations because they
normally have that as a part of the interview process.
You have to talk about your ideologies, how you see leadership,
how you will will manage the school, what are your
plans for the school, and all of this is open
for people to sit down and listen to. Again, when

(39:11):
you are informed, you are a better advocate for everything.
So they have the change dot org petition and hopefully,
and I'm sure that that's going to be married to
actual action and going out and listen to candidates that
are in fact qualified.

Speaker 21 (39:25):
Michael, Yeah, I agree, and I think that once again
this is an example of how elections of consequences because
we've seen Governor Rond DeSantis, We've seen his attack on
African American history in the state of Florida, and a
lot of people think that this is a further play

(39:48):
to gain more control over education in the state of Florida.
So here we're talking about HBCU and at the same time,
I think it's really important. I'm sure that many people
are doing this, but I think it's also important for
them to talk about the qualities that they want in

(40:09):
the next Florida Florida.

Speaker 11 (40:11):
A and M president.

Speaker 21 (40:13):
And one thing that I wonder with Martha Johnson being
totally unqualified for this, are Republicans going to refer to
her as a DEI higher. Now, she's totally unqualified to
lead this institution. She hasn't led a college before, so
she doesn't have a background in this. So I wonder

(40:33):
if Republicans are going to refer to her as a
DEI higher.

Speaker 10 (40:38):
It's absolutely crazy what's going on.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So when we follow in.

Speaker 10 (40:44):
Again, we're going to be live streaming all of those
interviews right here on the Black Starting Network. I did
reach out last night called Barbara Johnson. She was flying
and so I said, hey, you want to come on
and talk on the show. Let me know, we'll definitely
have you on, folks to talk about it's going to
not go to Missouri, where a state representative there has

(41:05):
really been using her voice to call.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Out Republicans on their actions.

Speaker 10 (41:08):
We previously posted her video dealing with the issue of
reproductive rights. But I was perusing and came across this
one from Rachel Proudy, where man, she was all over
these white Republicans in the legislature who all they care
about are their rich donors. These are the same people

(41:29):
who love taking over the police departments in Kansas City
and Saint Louis and the only two departments in the
whole state, or they want to control. And so it
was a bill that would increase property tax credits and
sales tax exemptions for diapers and feminine hygiene products, and
she was having none of all of a sudden, their
concern for the less fortunate.

Speaker 26 (41:56):
I don't even know where to start. I guess you
can call me slap have you on it. I don't
have commons because I'm very hard on all this for
several reasons. One, how dare y'all I've been in here
for seven years and now all of a sudden, we
care enough about people who owned soial security and poor
folks with circuit breakers and pink taxes and everything else.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
When we've had ample opportunity.

Speaker 26 (42:17):
To pass this year after year after year after year,
but only until it's attached to something that's gonna work
for rich folks. Do we care enough about this gross
and then have the audacity to say, Oh, if you
don't like this, you don't care. Y'all are too strong.
We've cared year after year after years after year. Welcome,

(42:42):
thanks for joining us on caring. No, I don't care
about the folks who got to go and buy both,
and you can put that on Facebook. I don't have
any of those in my district. No one's sitting at
any marble tables over in the seventy third talking about
capital gains tax.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
They are talking about these eggs.

Speaker 26 (43:04):
They are talking about how they have to use the
emergency room for their primary care physician.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
They do talk about that.

Speaker 26 (43:11):
They do talk about rolling toilet paper around, They draws
because they can't afford tampons and paths. They do talk
about that. And if you're offended by that, that's what
they talk about. In my district and their Missourians too.
They talk about diapers and all kinds of other stuff,
So yeah, we support those things too. Don't sit here

(43:34):
and say we don't have common sense and don't care
about these people.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Don't even go there.

Speaker 26 (43:39):
Because I've heard a lot about people who are buying
two in three houses. I'm not hearing enough about the
woman who have to wrap a towel around their baby's
backside to keep them clean and dry. Yeah that's me
sitting on the side gallery crochet and baby boots.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
And socks when you look at Miami c reports.

Speaker 26 (44:00):
But it's me clearing out my campaign donations to go
drive meals on wheels every Monday. That's what they're talking
about in my neck of the wood was and yeah,
I stood here until the last three of us stood
here because it was worth saying out loud. I'm not
about to bug dance for the wealthy. I don't boot
lick those poor people who work those.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Two and three jobs.

Speaker 26 (44:26):
I thank the Lady for Jackson for talking about me,
because I'm not going to be able to afford a
house anytime soon as a millennial in this economy. She
was talking about me, So no, it's not just our
consistence back in our district. That's telling you they need something.
I'm telling you I need it now. I don't get

(44:49):
to fly into session. I don't plug my car in.
I have Walmart greeters in my family in the sixties
and seventies, y'all get to run for office. I have
to borrow money to pay my taxes to sign that

(45:11):
after David when we fil for office, so that I
can run for office and not be.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Lying on it.

Speaker 26 (45:19):
I have to borrow money for them fancy gold place
we have. So I don't know where the capital gains
is if. I don't know that feeling, but I do
know what it feels like when your stomach touch you back.
That's what they talk about in my district in North
Saint Louis County, where their representative has to stand on
this floor.

Speaker 11 (45:34):
To her feet get raw.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
We talk about that.

Speaker 26 (45:43):
So I do appreciate the fact that it's one hundred
and eleven of you that is going to finally give
my grandmother, my eighty four and three day old grandmother,
the opportunity to get a break on a circuit breaker.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 26 (45:53):
The same eighty four year old who had to work
and get paid under the table for taxes.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, she clean white houses. They call her Mary, and
she called them by miss and miss.

Speaker 11 (46:03):
Those are the people I have in my district.

Speaker 26 (46:05):
I don't have the people who sit up and concern
themselves with what boat they get to buy this year
and what vacation they get to go on this year.
They make belonging sandwiches and fold the bread in half
so that they can feed their grandkids when they come
for from school because they can't afford childcare.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Those are the conversations we have in my district.

Speaker 26 (46:24):
So for all the monopoly men on the other side
of the campus, twilling their rich mustaches and top hats,
talking about capital gains, vacations and what their constituents talk
about there at their table. I love to be invited
us for some so I can cosplay wealth. But don't
you dare sit here and talk about us on this

(46:44):
side of the owl? Who fouled the young man, the
gentleman from Saint Louis Can The first bill he fouled
was to remove those taxes to help actual people.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
I can't even swim, as you all probably have guessed
by my skin color. I don't cry nothing about no
boat just past the bill and.

Speaker 26 (47:07):
Stop trying to act like it's us over here when
it's been you all the whole time.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
I'm grateful that these things on this bill.

Speaker 15 (47:14):
I am.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
I'm voting on it, but I'm grateful it's here.

Speaker 26 (47:21):
That I can get some kind of rebate or some
reprieve from tampons while I still have to use them
before I can go get diapers from my age.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (47:31):
Vote Representative proudly joins us from Ferguson, glad to have
you on the show.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
What happened here? What was like? How did this whole
thing start? Because you went the hell off?

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Thank you, mister Rowland.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
I tend to do that.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
This is certainly the place if you are are a
black woman, a Democrat Missouri, this is certainly the place
to go off. What happens is what always happens in
our legislature. We are are profoundly outnumbered. We are in
the super minority, such that if not a single Democrat
came uh to work, the Republicans have enough to do

(48:10):
the business of the state of Missouri without us. And
we get to this point in session where they do
a little bit of legislative candy.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
They all sprinkle.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
Some things that Missourians actually want, they're actually asking for,
they actually call for on on a bill to make
it meanable to the average Missourian, and then try to
play it like if you don't vote for this, then
you're are against these things. And we've been filing these
bills for years, decades in fact, and so, and I

(48:40):
wasn't going to speak on this particular bill, but I
got offended. I got offended by the the commentary uh
going around, and I had to.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Call it out.

Speaker 10 (48:51):
So so what what What were they saying, y'all don't
care about regular folk.

Speaker 8 (48:56):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
They weren't saying too much about the capital gains tax
the underlying bill, but they were certainly saying something about
the amendments, which, by the way, I'm a member of
the House for now, the House did not put the
pink tax to remove the tax from circuit breakers from seniors,
or the pink text to remove it our sanitary items.

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They did that in the Senate, and it was a
deal made by Senate Democrats or they were going to
filibuster the bill completely.

Speaker 8 (49:27):
And so that's exactly right, mister Rowland.

Speaker 15 (49:30):
That's exactly what they were.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
Saying, and they weren't about to call me a liar
or play with me in my face.

Speaker 10 (49:36):
So you talk about again them having a super majority,
I take it that's due to partisan jerry.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Manderin without question, we are one of twelve states in
Missouri that have term limits for better or for worse,
for worse here because whereas we have limits, lobbyists the
same lobbyists who push things like the removal of the
capital gains tax, they don't. And so, yes, sir, absolutely

(50:03):
partisan jerrymandering where Democrats are largely confined to Jackson County,
where Kansas City in part is in Saint Louis City,
the city of Saint Louis and Saint Louis County where
I represent.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Questions from a Pamela Candice go right at.

Speaker 15 (50:17):
So I'm just curious what has been the response from
your constituents. I mean, it really makes a difference when
people speak up on their behalf and ask for a
sense of humanity from those people who they've effected to
put into office.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
Yes, ma'am, and I've been profoundly blessed in that here
in Missouri we have open primaries. And so again I
represent North Saint Louis County, Ferguson, where I actually live
is in my district. I have Kenlock, which is the
oldest black municipality in the state of Missouri. My constituents black, white, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian.
Not so much the libertarians, because libertarians tend to think

(50:55):
taxation is theft unless they call the police.

Speaker 8 (50:57):
They certainly want them to come.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Notwithstanding, they are like, yes, absolutely, we are at a
point where eggs here are about seven eight dollars. Depending
on where you live in St. Louis County, we have
eightya municipalities. You can live across the street, your sales
tax and local tax could be upworth of nine percent.

(51:20):
Everybody wants a little bit more money in their pocket,
and we're not asking for more taxes on anybody. We
certainly want the wealthy to pay their fair share. And
that's what I've been hearing the most from the commentary
has been overwhelmingly positive and supportive from both sides of
the isle.

Speaker 13 (51:36):
Frankly Michael.

Speaker 21 (51:40):
Representative Priority, thanks for speaking out number one, because I
know a week or so ago we talked two two
weeks ago, I think we talked about you as well
on this show can you explain more about the circuit
breaker tax credit exactly what I've been bring up about that,
but exactly what that is and how that will help

(52:04):
your constituents, and is it possible maybe to get that
put into a separate bill so that you know it
will pass.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
At this point in session, No, sire, we have one
week of our legislative session left in Missouri. We're considered
a highbrid legislature, so we're not full time, we're not
part time.

Speaker 8 (52:23):
We're considering hybrid. Today we just finished the budget and.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
It is on separate bills, several separate bills filed by Democrats.
And again I've been been profoundly blessed for two of
the sessions of the four I've been in the legislature,
I served as the only Democrat committee chairman of the state.
At this point, I believe I'm the only Democrat that
had a bill on calendar this session, and so putting

(52:48):
it on there was kind of Again, it was a
little bit of legislative candy. So it's always been on
a separate bill. The bill is on this way to
the Governor's desk. But as for the circuit breakers, as
far as in the seventy third district. About fifty one
percent of my district is Ferguson, Missouri, and it's overwhelmingly renters.
I myself am a renter, and as a millennial, I'll
have to keep your girl lifted in a believers prayer

(53:10):
that I'll ever be able to own a home in the.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
Today of things. But most of us are renters.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
For seniors, if they are a renter, then of course
this won't impact them at all. It is for home
owners who are seniors with a lot of other caveats.
You have to be current on taxes and a whole
bunch of other different things that make this reprieves a
little bit out of reach for a good chunk of
my constituents.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Thank you all right.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
Then, well, look, it's always important to have folk fighting
a good fight, and you certainly are doing that, and
so we appreciate those words, and hopefully it definitely got
their attention.

Speaker 8 (53:50):
Thank you so much, mister Rowland.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
The remedy of an underserved community is to serve it,
and so it's an honor and a privilege, and thank
you for thinking about me.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Appreciate it. Thanks you a lot, good luck, Yes, thank
you all right? Folks going to a break.

Speaker 10 (54:02):
I will be back to talk about the arrest of
Norton near Ros Baraka by ice agents.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 22 (54:11):
What happened?

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On the next Balanced Life, we're talking soul and soul food.
The kitchen is the heart of the home. So many
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We're going to be joined by some amazing guests who
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N and Tony and accidentally went to the little right
but I had never been in. I saw side door
and we got the little bus and.

Speaker 16 (55:20):
Said let's hold of me.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'm just like, let's go to the right.

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We're here.

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This black girl is at the door with this white guy,
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Said, oh my god, come, that's a good callaway.

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And I'm like this, you know what? And come to
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And she said, I'm like, you just go in there.
But I was in Paris, France, and that shot me.

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In his new book, The Tuskegee Student Uprising, author Brian

(56:34):
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Honore.

Speaker 11 (57:05):
Listen at Gerald United States sorrow retired, and you're watching
Roland Martin. I'm feltic.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
We've been prosen out.

Speaker 12 (57:25):
Facing an extinction level event.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
We don't fight this fight right now, You're not going
to have black arm. Folks.

Speaker 10 (57:39):
We often talk about black wealth and how because of
certain actions, how we lose black wealth. When you look
at sports, when you look at athletes and they get
huge contracts and just begin to spend crazy amounts of
money on jury and cars and then end up six
seven eight baby mama's and having kids and child support.

(58:03):
And then all of a sudden, when you look at
you know, NFL players, three to five years after they retire,
many of them are filing for bankruptcy, and it's just
it's crazy. But then when you look at the music industry,
this isn't just a recent phenomenon. You can go back
even further, where you can look at how Sam Cook

(58:23):
lost his publishing because he was swindled out of it
by a white businessman. And when Sam Cooke dies right
before that, he realizes that he actually doesn't own his company.
You look at James Brown, when you look at other
artists they've had to sue to get their royalties.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
There you go even further.

Speaker 10 (58:41):
You look at Luther Campbell how he lost his company
where he brought in a trusted individual who was making
who was cooking the books. That individual ends up getting
control of his music empire.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
This goes on and on and on.

Speaker 10 (58:55):
And if there's any area that frankly is the most gangster,
the most atrocious when it comes to ripping off artists,
it's the music industry.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Well. The law though has also been.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
Changed allowing artists to get their copyrights back, but the
problem is too many people aren't actually paying attention.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
To the business of the business. They're fixated on the
entertaining part. Well.

Speaker 10 (59:27):
Isaac Hayes the thirties, the son of Isaac Hayes, it's
been dropping these videos on social media trying to educate
artists on how to regain their publishing, regaining that copyright
and the laws have been laws have been changed, and
a lot of people don't understand. And so you see
these videos on social media of artists complaining about not

(59:47):
owning their masters and not owning their publishing without realizing
that there are ways to get those things back. Isaac Corst,
founder of fan Base, joins us Right now, Isaac, you've
been dropping these videos and uh, and you posted something
recently when you said it to any artists, Hey, d
m me, I can walk y'all through this. Has that

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been happening because when you dropped the first video, actually
sent it to a very prominent rapper and he said, brother,
I appreciate this. I'm already aware, we're already on this,
but thanks. Thanks for caring about it enough to send
it to me. What's been the response from folks since
you've been doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Well, I won't name the names, but let's just say
some very iconic R and B and hip hop artists
have been reaching out and we're unaware of the process
of doing reversions and terminating your copyright. So I'm glad
to help, and I think it's it's the most important
opportunity to gain black wealth, especially for music artists ever,

(01:00:47):
because this is billions of dollars worth of copyright masters.

Speaker 10 (01:00:50):
So you said reversions, So okay, so explain to us.
So artists signs of contract.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
And who's only the music? And people don't understand.

Speaker 10 (01:01:02):
An artist can perform a song, but who produces the song,
who writes the song, who owns publishing? Owning publishing is
different from owning masters, and so explain that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, So when you sign a deal with a record company,
the record company owns your masters, which is basically the
two track recording of whatever the song is. So, whatever
the version of your record is, the record company owns that.
For a period of time before before two thousand, I'm sorry,
before nineteen seventy two, you could never get your masters back.

(01:01:35):
After nineteen seventy two, you could get them back after
thirty five years. When it comes to publishing, when you're
a songwriter or a rapper and you write a song,
typically you've done a deal with a publishing company that
advances you money for half of the income and control
of the actual copyright. Well, there's a law that three

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nineteen seventy eight you could terminate those rights after fifty
six years and then post seventy eight. You can terminate
those rights after thirty five years. So if you realize
it's nineteen, it's twenty twenty five. That means nineteen ninety
is really the dawn of really when hip hop went commercial.
So you got Hammer, you got Bell, Bivdevo, LL, cool J,
all these rappers, and there's a window for them to

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terminate their rights and get their masters in their publishing
back right now. And if you don't do it in
a certain amount of time, you missed the window, and
those publishers and those record companies own your copyright forever.

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
You never get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Back, all right.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
So and again, so we talk about this window. How
long is the window and what is that process?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
So the window is about ten years before the copyrights
are due back so you can follow them.

Speaker 11 (01:02:44):
It's earliest ten years before.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
So I've done this already successfully with my father's publishing catalog,
which is from nineteen sixty three to nineteen sixty nine.
So songs like hold On, I'm Coming soul Man, we've terminated,
We've done reversions on those copyrights, and those rents are
now owned by my family.

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
And you literally were showing you literally were going through
the law, we're going Okay, this song this is the
year expires twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
This song that you were going.

Speaker 11 (01:03:12):
Through that Yeah, so those songs.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
So now these new records, we just filed terminations on
Isaac Cay's the Artist. So that's everything from Ike's Move
to Shaft to Do Your Thing, the Truck Turner soundtrack, Joy,
all these records. So all these records will be coming
back to my family in the next two years. But
we have to file those notices within a particular window,
and you can't. You can't if you missed two years

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after then you lose the ability to actually terminate forever.
So you got about a thirteen year window to file.
But I'm telling you, I'm telling everybody to do this now.

Speaker 10 (01:03:46):
And man, you lose forever, yes, unless the law has changed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
No, I mean no, you lose the copyright forever because
you had your shot to get it back now. Typically
what happens is when you do reverse, there's one of
two things that happen. Now that you get your copyrights back.
Publishers will come along and ask you to buy those copyrights,
and there's some really really lucrative deals to sell those
copyrights again. So once you get him back, people are
going to approach you about buying them, which is not

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really a bad idea for some artists.

Speaker 11 (01:04:16):
So if you're a living artist, I say it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
If you're a living rapper artist, I can tell you
there's a there's a particular rapper that was very, very
popular early two thousands that just sold his catalog for
fifty million dollars. And that's great because that fifty million
dollars probably would have taken him thirty years to get
over time. So imagine getting fifty million dollars up front
and then if you can manage that money, invest do
things like that. Plus, this artist is still young enough

(01:04:39):
to go on tour and perform and make money. In
my dad's case, he's no longer here. So I never
wanted to sell his copyrights just for a flat out check.
So what I did is an administration deal or a
co pub deal where we get in advance and then
someone goes and collects that money for us, but we
still own the copyright and control where it goes and
what we charge and all those types of things.

Speaker 10 (01:04:59):
And again, what people don't understand is how the music
game has changed. Now you're talking about ring tones. You're
talking about movies, you're talking commercials, you're talking all sorts
of things, and no one knows how a song. Somebody
may hear it and then they may decide to put
it in something. I was watching one of Jimmy jan

(01:05:21):
was talking about how they when they did Rhythm Nation,
how they literally were in a restaurant and they heard
a sly Stone song and there was this one piece.
He was like, that's it, let's go. And then when
they played it for Jenna Jackson, she was like, that's
Rhythm Nation. Like that small part of a sly Stone

(01:05:42):
song set up that entire album and she feasted off
of that. His estate or who have owned the publishing
did as well. That's the stuff that people don't understand.
I mean, I personally, last three or four years, I
swear Nina Simone's some music has gone has exploded in
numerous movies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I'll be watching a movie and I'm like, ninus.

Speaker 10 (01:06:05):
I mean, it's like, all of a sudden, her music
is everywhere in all sorts of movies.

Speaker 11 (01:06:11):
Well, think about this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Think about probably one of the biggest songs ever, which
is Shaboozie's record, right, and that his song that country
record that he did Tipsy. Yep, he took all the
lyrics from J Kwan Tipsy. So J Kwan has made
more money off Shaboozie's record than he did his original record.

(01:06:33):
And if he never sold his publishing or his writer shares,
he's made millions of dollars off that one song. And
with streaming and licensing, I've seen these deals. I've seen
we've licensed, We've licensed songs like hold on I'm Coming
for commercials for four hundred thousand dollars just for thirty
seconds of a commercial, just for one split, you know,
one particular license. And so there's millions and millions of

(01:06:56):
dollars available, and we're entering in that age where you're
watching TV and you're starting to hear all the rap
songs that are in commercials.

Speaker 11 (01:07:02):
Now and in movies.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Those deals, those licenses are worth half a million, four
hundred thousand, three hundred thousand dollars per SID. So if
you're own the master three hundred thousand, if you own
the publishing three hundred thousand. So there's a lot of
money coming back. And I implore artists and hip hop
artists and R and B artists to go and make
sure that they're terminating, they're publishing. Anybody out there does

(01:07:24):
not know how to do this. It's in the entertainment industry.
Don't be afraid. Don't be shot because I've had some
icons reach out and really did not know. I tell
people to DM me on social media, hit me on Instagram,
wherever you can find me, and I'll teach you how
to do this, and I'll direct you to the person
that I use that I've been able to successfully terminate.
Over right now, I'm going to say we're over four
hundred songs. We have another seventeen hundred to go. Because

(01:07:46):
you got to remember Isaac Hays was sampled and a
lot of rap records, and we're going to terminate the
publishing on those rap records as well. Wow, so you
know those records are coming back.

Speaker 10 (01:07:55):
And I mean, look, I remember Sir mix a Lot
did an interview. We talked about the amount of money
he made off of just ring Tones or Baby Got
Back was insane. He said, just millions and millions of dollars.
But this is the part where I'm always talking about
the business of the business that too many of us
don't focus on. Let me go to my out panel

(01:08:17):
for questions. Candice, you an attorney.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
And my god, I wish, I wish, And we still
see today these artists would hire somebody who has massive
experience in recording contracts. So I'm sick and tired of.

Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
Hearing there's no reason an artist today should be sounding
like motown artists or other artists did back in the day.
But I ain't no, and they sign these awful three
sixty deals.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
It's insane.

Speaker 15 (01:08:47):
Go ahead, yeah, it is insane. But the more you know,
as they say, right, So when we talk about this law,
it's a good reminder just to put out there to
people that were talking about music, we're also talking about
literary works or talking about musical works. You're talking about films,
we're talking about software. So when we talk about the
copyright law and terminating these particular copyrights, which by the way,

(01:09:08):
this was done so that people who got into deals
that were not too lucrative and didn't understand their value
in the future, they could renegotiate. But like Isaac said,
you got to get in on that time. It's like
a statute of limitations, right. You can only follow lawsuit
if it's within the statute of limitations, and the key
is getting in there and making sure you know what
to do after. The after is important because when we

(01:09:32):
think about the copyright ownerships that we have, it's like
a car. You can lease it, you can sell it,
you can give it away. Not a good idea, but
there are many things that you can do with it.
But Isaac, I just want to thank you because a
lot of people they just don't know, and because they're
as a clock that is ticking, you caught a lot
of people who would have never known and would have

(01:09:53):
been on the other side saying how was I supposed
to know? It's one of those things that we've been
talking about all night. You have to get out there
and form yourself. But if not is there are people
like you who are doing it. So thank you very
much for that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
We're talking billions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Billions. I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not
going to be shy. You know what made me bring
this subject back again is the deal that Ryan Coopler
did for Centers. He has reversion rights to his film
after twenty five years. He negotiated those reversion rights. It's very,
very similar to music, and that's what made me bring
it back up because I'm like, I need to let
these artists know that you can get your music is

(01:10:30):
up right now for thirty five years. You can get
all these hip hop artists can get their songs back
starting from nineteen ninety all the way over over the
next two year nineteen ninety to two thousand. You can
follow your termination notices right now to get your copyrights back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Michael, all right.

Speaker 11 (01:10:47):
You know this is a very timely conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
And I know when the.

Speaker 21 (01:10:54):
California Reparations Task Force when they released their report back
in twenty twenty three, they lay out twelve harms that
African Americans have suffered in this country, and number eight
was control over creative, cultural, and intellectual life and how
royalties have been stolen from us. So one thing I
wanted you to talk about this for a minute late

(01:11:15):
at night, when we see the commercials for Time Life
and we see all those R and B songs, classics
from the seventies and things like this, A lot of
that music is highly popular and people are still making
money off of it. But many of those artists, we
don't own that music, or their children, their next generation

(01:11:35):
don't own that music. Can you reiterate and talk about
maybe how the son or grandson can try to gain
back control of their grandparents' music that they were beaten
out of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Yeah, this is very personal for me because my father
lost those rights to his music in nineteen seventy four
and they were old an auction to two white elemen
for fifty thousand dollars in the early eighties, about four
years before sampling took off.

Speaker 10 (01:12:07):
Hold wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, you said
your dad's publishing was sold off to two white guys
for fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Grand yep in an auction that he did not know
about and like eighty three or eighty four, and those
men that bought those rights went on to receive more
than sixty seventy million dollars. Because you got to think
Isaac Hazes's you know music was sample by public Enemy,
Doctor Dre Snoop Dogg, Wu Tang Clan, Tupac, Biggie jay Z,

(01:12:36):
like to name a few. And so for the last
fifty six years, we've never been able to claim those
copyrights back, even as recent as Glorilla.

Speaker 11 (01:12:45):
Right, here's the thing, crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Gloriala has a song called let Her Cook that samples
Ike's mood one.

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
I played that the other day. I get that record back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Our family gets that record back in twenty twenty seven,
so Gloriala would have made that song two years from now.

Speaker 11 (01:12:58):
We would get all the money from that record.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
The people that still get that money until these next
two years from my dad's publishing. So it's very personal
to me. It's why I'm so big in the creator
space and ownership of IP. So what you have to
do is number one, you have to find an attorney
or paralegal. Again, I tell people to DM me. There's
a phenomenal woman by the name of Liz Garner. Liz
Garner has done my terminations for years. We started back

(01:13:22):
into I started this process back in twenty fourteen with
my father. So Liz Garner is the one that's done
the first batch of terminations and we're working on the
second and third now. And so I tell everybody to
reach out myself. I can connect you with Liz. She
can start that process for you. But she's already done,
you know, deals with Smokey Robinson. She's lp a lot
of entertainers get their copyrights back.

Speaker 11 (01:13:42):
She worked with a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Phenomenal woman by the name of Genie Mason, who I
started with, who has since passed away, But Geenie Mason
is the one that changed the Copyright Act from fifty
six years to thirty five years. So these are individuals
that champion artist rights and creators rights, and so I'm
happy to work with them, and I'm happy to as
many songwriters as many artists to terminate their masters in

(01:14:04):
publishing as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
So how I'm just curious, So how was your dance
publishing the Soul in an auction? They didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
So initially, my father lost the rights to his music
in seventy four because Stacks filed for bankruptcy and my
father took a loan from Union Planner's bank. What happens
typically when someone gets a loan is that if you
failed default on that loan, they'll garnish.

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
They'll garnish the income stream.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
So let's say, like, whatever your song, whatever your music makes,
we'll keep taking that money and it won't go to you,
We'll go to us.

Speaker 11 (01:14:36):
We pay back. That's not happened my father.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
They actually took the right and the ownership of the
actual ip, which had never really been done before then.
That was done in seventy four. In eighty three, Union
planners wanted to auction that off to sell the asset
right because it wasn't making a lot of money because
they didn't see sampling coming right, and so people weren't
buying the records.

Speaker 11 (01:14:58):
So there was a auction held and my father was
not notified, and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Two gentlemen showed up and they bid for fifty thousand
dollars for the publishing and.

Speaker 11 (01:15:07):
They got it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
How much is that original alone two.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Million dollars, But Stack's records filed for bankruptcy.

Speaker 11 (01:15:14):
Owned my dad fourteen million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
So imagine Universal saying, you know, telling the artists they
don't have, you know, sixty five million dollars in twenty
twenty five, that they're old. That's what that's that's really
started this whole process with my dad. Always say that's
my generational trauma, seeing my father lose his creative rights.
And imagine, you know, other people that don't look like
you go to the mailbox for the last you know,

(01:15:37):
thirty five forty years and take chicks and put their
kids through college and buy their kids' houses and invest
in properties and do all these things when none of
my brothers and sisters. None of my you know, none
of my dad's ex wives, none of his grandchildren ever
got to be able.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
To do that.

Speaker 11 (01:15:51):
But that's why copyright law.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
I'm so passionate about this because it's our opportunity claim
what is ours.

Speaker 10 (01:15:58):
Well that I mean, that's the case for again, so
many folks. And you're right, it is folks who don't
look like us who are feasting off of the talent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And I say this all the time, and people some
people get mad. I don't really care if they do.

Speaker 10 (01:16:18):
I keep saying that, frankly in this country, and this
is what I really hate, and I need people to
really listen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
So they just had to met Gala.

Speaker 10 (01:16:32):
And I saw this story where Usher paid three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars for a table, but had to
seek permission from Anna Wintour, who he got to seat
at his own table, and and she said no to
some people, and not only that, she has control over

(01:16:55):
even what the folks wear. And I sat there and
I said, you know what, spending three hundred and fifty
grand in my own money and having somebody else telling
me who the hell I can and cannot invite.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
And then what I can and cannot wear to a
gala that was celebrating black culture. And that was one person.

Speaker 10 (01:17:17):
I'm not gonna name this person, but they posted on
their social media, we're doing this for the culture, and Isaac,
I'll be honest, I hate that phrase. I hate that
phrase because when I hear the phrase, yo, we're doing
it for the culture, my problem is we keep giving
away the culture and so we're just so happy that

(01:17:41):
we performed and that we made the art.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yo, we're doing it for the culture. We're doing it
for the culture. They doing it for the money. Were
doing it for the culture.

Speaker 10 (01:17:53):
And I keep saying, I'm tired of us being the
show in show business and them in the business in
show business.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
And we've got to get artists to understand.

Speaker 10 (01:18:06):
Yo, you can love the music, you can love you
can want to be on the stage, but trust me,
somebody else is getting paid. And so we better understand
the business of the business because it's literally billions of
dollars that black people we have made more white executives richer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Let's be real clear.

Speaker 10 (01:18:30):
We know from the documentary Jimmy Alvine they were he
was about to file the day before before Shug walked
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
They're about to file.

Speaker 10 (01:18:37):
Bankruptcy, and and and and and oh he's all the
deal the billions made. And so that's what we got
to understand. Let's stop making other folks billions and make
our folk billions.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Final comments.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Let me let me say this because I think it's
really important. Black culture is the most valuable thing on
planet Earth. I'm telling you right now. It's more valuable
than gold, or valuable than diamonds. It's more valuable than
even some of the software and technology we used because
most of these things are powered by black culture. And

(01:19:13):
the problem about saying doing it for the culture, it
doesn't matter if you don't own the culture. Ownership should
be the you know, the main stay of owning, you know,
your iping your intellectual property. And I say that all
the time, Like black culture is the vibranium of Earth
right now.

Speaker 11 (01:19:30):
And it's like it's like liquid. I always say it's
like water.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
It's like if you pour you When you pour black
culture into a tennis hue, you get a Jordan. When
you pour black culture into a record label, you get
all these phenomenal rappers. When you pour black culture into
the sports industry, you get Lebron James, you get all
these amazing athletes. When you pour black culture into a smartphone,
you get TikTok, you get Instagram. The problem is all

(01:19:55):
these things that we're pouring into are infrastructures that we
do not own. That's why I'm so big. My journey
from music to technology was all about ownership, all about
we need to own the apps. We need to own
our ip we need to own our copyrights. So this
is just this is just an extension of my father's
legacy and what I'm doing and telling people about owning

(01:20:16):
intellectual property, investing in tech startups that we can own.
That's the biggest thing. Technology is the fastest growing asset
and most valuable asset on Earth right now. But we're
not owning what we need to own to be able
to really build true generational wealth at this time. So
own record labels, own apps, own software, own infrastructures that

(01:20:36):
you can leverage black culture. And think about the black culture,
the apps, and the infrastructures that do not work without
black culture. And it is like social media does. Social
media absolutely does not function or work without black culture.

Speaker 11 (01:20:51):
It does not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
And so that should give anybody this signal that those
are the spaces that we need to have ownership in
as opposed to being happy to get views and likes
and stuff like that and become famous and maybe make
a buck. So owning infrastructure and copyrights are extremely important,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
The third?

Speaker 10 (01:21:09):
First of all, how much money of y'all raised as
part of the Series A raised for fan Base?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
What's the status?

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
We're almost at twelve million raised, the raise closes at
seventeen million. So I tell everybody, listen, invest in fan
base right start engine dot com slash fan Base. I
want you guys to invest own a piece of the
creator economy. The minimum to invest is three hundred ninety
nine dollars. This isn't a donation, this isn't go fundme.

(01:21:35):
This is actual stock and a technology company which is
going to use music, which is going to use content creators,
which is going to use athletes. But these individuals will
monetize and actually own the infrastructure of the apps they used.
That's why this is so important, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
The third, we appreciate it, man, thanks you a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:21:53):
All right, thank you, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Going to break, we come back.

Speaker 10 (01:21:55):
We're going to talk about the arrest of NUK mier
Rob Baraka just unbelievably shameful right here on Roland Martin
Unfilter's on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 13 (01:22:09):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Carnor.

Speaker 9 (01:22:12):
The Tuskegee Institute now University forever linked to the infamous
and despicable sip ofs experiments done on the poor rural
farmers in Alabama and the Tuskegee Airmen, the famous heroes
of World War Two, but its history is about so
much more. In his new book, The Tuskegee Student Uprising,

(01:22:33):
author Brian Jones reveals a largely untold history rich in
radical activism and reform.

Speaker 17 (01:22:41):
Suddenly, the students are meeting these folks whose life style
is very different from theirs, very rural, but they're seeing
them lose family members, people in their family disappear.

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
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We need political imagination more than ever, and unfortunately some
people on the Democratic side really are discouraging that we're
going to dig into all of this.

Speaker 25 (01:23:16):
The Democratic party needs to remember who they are and
who they are responsible to.

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Speaker 9 (01:23:30):
My name is Locke Kert and you're watching Roland Martin
unfiltered deep into it like pasteurized milk without the two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Were getting deep?

Speaker 7 (01:23:41):
You want turning that shut off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
We're doing an interview with.

Speaker 28 (01:24:03):
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Speaker 10 (01:25:09):
Folks are lots of drama today in New Jersey as
Newark Mayor ros Baraka was arrested. Was arrested at an
ICED detention facility.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Pull the audio up. You want to get you stop?

Speaker 15 (01:26:33):
Second, sort.

Speaker 21 (01:26:44):
Him to stop at guy got next another got look,
you're gonna get stopped.

Speaker 7 (01:26:53):
I want to swim, run away, good way right away?

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
Simple count on grounds.

Speaker 16 (01:27:03):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:27:03):
They were they're protesting this facility, claiming that it was
open illegally and in a violation of local ordinances. A
number of people said that Congress for many Bonnie Coleman Johnson,
a matter of fact, y'all call Hurst that we can
get on the phone was roughed up in the process.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Uh and uh, this is Robert.

Speaker 10 (01:27:23):
Menendez junior, of course, the son of the disgraced the
United States senator who's now a member of Congress, who
was talking about what took place.

Speaker 29 (01:27:33):
Listen, I can't I can't begin describe what happened here today, Starred.
As part of our core functions as members of Congress,
you've got overside of Ice and privately run detention centers
where we waited patiently for over an hour, over an

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hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Who's waited? Wait?

Speaker 13 (01:27:59):
Did you?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
We've done together at Elizabeth Detention Center. We waited and
then we only saw action taking place outside where we
were waiting.

Speaker 15 (01:28:08):
Not knowing what was happening, we.

Speaker 13 (01:28:10):
Walked out to see what was going on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
We saw Mayor of Baraka out here by himself, mayor
of the largest city in New Jersey, waiting for us
to come back. Ice brought to meet the mayor of
Newark over twenty armed individuals. Twenty armed individuals to confront

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the mayor of Newark along with three members of Congress.
There was an act of intimidation. There was an active intimidation,
not just to the mayor, not just to us, but
to everyone watching. We know what ICE has been doing
in our communities. We know that the President lied, and
this administration lies every day when they're saying they're going

(01:28:56):
after criminals, it is not true. They feel no weight
of the law, they feel no restraint on what they
should be doing. And that was shown in broad daylight
today when they not just arrested the mayor of Newark,
but when they put their hands on two members of
Congress who.

Speaker 15 (01:29:15):
Are standing behind me.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
How is this acceptable to anyone in this country? How
is this acceptable? I fight along with these two incredible
women every day for the people of New Jersey.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
We fight for the country that we should be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
What we saw today is the country that we live
in under Donald Trump and his Department of Homeland Security
under his ice does not reflect who we are.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
As a country.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Reflects everything wrong with the moment that we're in. This
is unacceptable, This is unacceptable and should shake every American
to the core, to their core, to our collective core,
that this happened today here in the city of Newark,
the most inclusive city in New Jersey, with the mayor
who represents the city, with the augresh a woman who
represents the city, and with body Watson Coleman, who's fought

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for the people of New Jersey her entire distinguished career.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable.

Speaker 10 (01:30:10):
This is the reality what we're living in. This is
who these thugs are. And look, this reminds me of
going back to Jim Crow days. Folks of Sheriff Jim Clark,
of course, who was the head of the state police
in Selma.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
This is who that was. You got Sheriff Jim Clark,
who had.

Speaker 10 (01:30:31):
No problem cracking skulls and beating black protesters. Then you
got Bull Connor of course, who was there that absolute
racist in Birmingham as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
That's who the Trump administration is. We said this earlier.

Speaker 10 (01:30:46):
They do not care about the law, They don't care
about any of this. All they care about is power.
And so that's what we're dealing with Cannas. There is
no doubt that Donald Trump, Tom Holman, Stephen Miller, and
all of these thugs to they are nothing more than
they are the twenty first century version of Jim Clark

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and Bull Connor.

Speaker 15 (01:31:08):
And listen, we see the seeds that they've been planting growing.
Why because if you take a look at some of
the headlines, the headlines say that they were protesting, that
they stormed the facility, and that's why Trump, that's why
the executive branch wants to take control of the media
because then they are creating a narrative in order for
them to act.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:31:28):
Yeah, this is the statement from DHS today. Is a
bus of detainees. We're entering the security gate of Delaney
Hall Detention Center. A group of protesters, including two members
of Congress, stormed the gate and broke into the detention facility.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
The members, Robert.

Speaker 10 (01:31:42):
Menendez Junior and Bonnie Watsie Coleman, and multiple protesters are
holed up in a guard shack, the first security checkpoint.
These member of Members of Congress storming into the detention
facility goes beyond bizarre political stunt and puts the safety
of our law enforcement agents and the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Detainers at risk. Members of Congress are.

Speaker 10 (01:31:59):
Not above the law and cannot illegally break into detention facilities.
Had these members requested a tour, we would have facilitated
a tour of the facility.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
This is an involving situation. We all know that's a lie.

Speaker 10 (01:32:10):
Can this because we've had members of Congress trying to
tour numerous other facilities all across the country and Trump's
people have like, nah, y'all ain't coming in.

Speaker 15 (01:32:19):
That's right, and so listen, if you look at the video,
ros is outside, all right. He is outside the mayor's
outside of the gate. He hasn't even gotten in. Like
Menindez was saying, we were meeting him and that had
not happened. We did not know what was going on
on the other side. The other thing is that this
is part of the process. They have congressional oversight to
make sure that if you're building a new facility that

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has a thousand beds, then you have the right permits.
So it's within their purview, it's within their right and
the fact that their responsibility to be there to make
sure that they are actually doing what they're supposed to do,
which they were not. Now, if you look at it too,
why was he the only one that was arrested. I mean,
if you think about him running for governor, I would

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imagine that that has something to do with it. This
is this is when you don't want too much power
to go unchecked. I think that that is what is happening.
Otherwise they would have arrested everybody there. They just arrested
the mayor and quite frankly, there was no reason for it.
He hadn't even made it to the facility itself and
cross the gate. So all of this is just smoking mirrors.

(01:33:23):
All of this is just a way for them to
do what they want to do, distort the headlines, distort
the narrative, and put out what they want. And if
you look at the video, there was no action. Nobody
was fighting back, there was there was no protest, there
was no anything. It was just a matter of why
are all these people on me for no reason at all.
They were creating a reason in order to make it

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what we are looking at today, to make it look
like there was a problem when there was not. There
was no problem at all. As you said, this has
been happening across the country because Trump is trying to
increase the number of beds that are out there in
order to bring more people in. This specific facility is
very important because it's right near the North airport, so

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you have a direct line for people to come and
go all right when they come in to send them out.
So it's just a very important location. It's a big
city and it's Rosbaraka and he is running for governor.
They don't like that.

Speaker 21 (01:34:21):
Michael yeah, you know, Roland, this whole thing is very disturbing.
Number one, you know, I posted about this soon after
it happened. I looked at read the article from NBC
News and Alena Hobbam, who's one of Donald Trump's former
defense attorneys, she's the interim US attorney for the District

(01:34:44):
of New Jersey, and she said that ros Barako has
chosen to disregard the law. And you know, they say that,
you know, nobody's above the law, things like that, as
we heard in the clip. But isn't Donald Trump and
violate and the Trump administration and Homeland Security. Aren't they
in violation of the US Supreme Court decision with kill

(01:35:09):
Marl Breako Garcia. Okay, it's supposed to be returned. They're
in constant violation of the law. But then they want
to say that no one is above the law, and
they want and they want to use the power of
government to attack and the timidate. And when we look
at this Delaney Hall, when we look at this detention center,

(01:35:31):
according to Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman Uh, she said that
that this detention center was open without permission from the
City of Newark, New Jersey, and is in violation of
local ordinances.

Speaker 11 (01:35:45):
Now, this is a for profit prison.

Speaker 21 (01:35:48):
It's important for people to understand that Donald Trump, in
his first administration and in the second administration fully supports
for profit prisons, and the stock prices of the for
profit prisons have increased since he's been back in office.
Of course, they decreased under the Biden administration, which is

(01:36:08):
why the for profit prisons donated to Trump's campaign and
the transition the first term as well as the second term.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Yep, well that's how they gonna roll.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
So again, folks, nonviolent resistance is critically important.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Hey.

Speaker 10 (01:36:24):
Update, Black veteran Marlin Paris faced the judge today in
his deportation case. The judge rule that remover proceedings will
move forward for the Iraq veteran, who has been in
custody since January. Paris, the son of a naturalized citizen,
came to the US in nineteen ninety seven from Trinidad
and Tobago. He joined the army in two thousand and one,
served for six years and deployed three times to a rock.

(01:36:45):
In two thousand and seven, Paris was discharged from the army.
According to his wife, Tania, who we had on the
show yesterday he was diagnosed with PTSD in brain trauma.
And again, this is what I did last night, after
they told me the Illinois Center of Tammy Duckworth was
helping them more than her Arizona delegation, I sent a
tweet out to Senator Mark Kelly and Senator Reuben Galago.

(01:37:08):
Well today, well last night, Galago's office reached out to
my producer. They said that Duckworth's office specializes in cases
like this and sent the statement, our office has been
in contact with mister Paris's attorney, family, state agencies, and
other congressional offices regarding his case. Additionally, our office has
reached out to immigration and Customs enforcement regarding mister Parris's case. Now,

(01:37:30):
my producer Carol invited Galago to come on the show.
They told her that quote, they do not get into
the habit of doing interviews about such cases. Okay, don't
let me see you show up on somebody else's network
talking about this stuff. Last night, the Paris gofund me
was just over sixteen hundred tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
This is what the update is right here. Y'all can
pull it up of the.

Speaker 10 (01:37:53):
Go fundmeme so we can actually see what the amount
is trial he were trying to raise like fifteen thousand
dollars if I believe. And so there's a go fund
me again for the Paris family and so please go
check that out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
And we would love for y'all to be able to
do that.

Speaker 16 (01:38:09):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:38:10):
While the US is vine trying to deport veterans, Donald
Trump is important white folks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
That's right. A group of fifty four South.

Speaker 10 (01:38:18):
Africa Connors who are descendants of Dutch colonists, you know,
the people who led part Oid in South Africa. Donald
Trump wants to bring them into the United States. They
are expected to land in the US on Monday, and
reports say that they are all set up with housing, groceries, phones, clothes,
and all the essential items when they will need in
the first ninety days in this country. He's a look

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at the protests where several hundred white South Africans protested
out south of the US embassy in South Africa in March,
claiming they were victims of racism by their government. Donald
Trump issued an executive order in February directing officials to
prioritize the quote resettlement for Africannors, citing what he called
government sponsored race based discrimination and post apartid South Africa,

(01:39:02):
which is bullshit. Thousands of refugees from conflict zone and
humanitarian crisis remain in limbowl the United States. Yet oh,
he's quickly processing these white Africaners and they have moved
at an unusually rapid pace three months compared to the
typical eighteen to twenty four month.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Wait.

Speaker 10 (01:39:19):
Boyd must be something to be white and an Africaner,
and Donald Trump says, yeah, bring him in. We all
we made in clear, Michael. He doesn't want black people.
He doesn't want black immigrants. He wants white immigrants in America.

Speaker 11 (01:39:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 21 (01:39:33):
This goes back to this first administration when he called
people from Haiti, called Haiti s whole country. He said,
why can't we bring in more immigrants from places like Norway?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
And we are.

Speaker 21 (01:39:45):
At the very same time that he's welcoming these white Africaners,
these South Africaners, you have the Trump administration trying to
take away the temporary Protective statf this from more than
five hundred thousand immigrants coming from Cuba, Hateen, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, Okay,

(01:40:08):
at the very same time. So this all plays into
white grievance, and this was something that was key in
Donald Trump's second well the first term as well as
the second term, white grievance and also saying that white
people are the real victims of racism. We see that
his Civil Rights Division has changed the purpose okay, and

(01:40:31):
really changed what they're going after. And we see hundreds
of attorneys in the Civil Rights Division are leaving, over
one hundred and this all deals with twenty forty three
and the fear the browning of America.

Speaker 10 (01:40:45):
Yeah, that's why that yeah, I mean, Kennas, That's why
they want It's why they want to give birth inducements.
They want more white people. This is about white people.
They didn't want thea Haitian immigrants in Springfield. They want
white people, right.

Speaker 15 (01:41:00):
And when you look at this, it's very clear that
that is what they want, or else it would be happening,
as you said, with other people who are black and brown.
The other thing to remember about this is that this
particular law that they are running from that is giving
away giving back land to people who it was taken
away from. It's been on they've been working on it
for a long time and it has just been formally

(01:41:21):
put into place. So this is what they feel threatened by.
But when you look at this and we think about
what a refugee actually is, someone who, generally, the way
we receive them, leaves a war torn country trying to
escape persecution and war and violence. Yes, many times plays
a part in it, but not this type of race

(01:41:43):
issue that they're talking about. This isn't the type of
thing that the United States normally even deals with or
tries to shake hands with. And it's an impossible feat
to think about, to not think about the irony of
this that this is taking place in South Africa when
we know the history of apartheid there, so there are
a lot of corrective measures that would have had to

(01:42:05):
take place. It's also interesting to know that we are
talking about bringing in Africanas from South Africa when we
haven't even dealt with the land rights of black farmers,
black peoples in America whose land was taken away from them.
Yet we're so concerned about what's going on in other
countries and giving them, as you said, a place to

(01:42:26):
stay and food and and and warmth and clothing in
order to make their way here to America. It just
doesn't make any sense. But Trump is good at that.
He's good as he's good at having people look at
all this nonsensical stuff and getting them caught up in
something totally different when he's doing other things that are
that are that are going on and we don't even know.

Speaker 10 (01:42:48):
It makes sense because Donald Trump wants to make America
white again. He wants to keep it white. That's what
this is all about. Let's go to Texas. Imagine sending
your child off the college. Then you get a phone
call from a sharers to partner saying your child is
dead and no one can give you a clear answer
on what the hell happened. That's a nightmare of the
family of twenty year old Erskine. Charles Jenkins, college of

(01:43:11):
Major Texas Tech University was killed on November twenty third
by Luvett County Sherif's deputy, who, according to reports, was
holding a woman hostage. His mother, Sharon Jenkins, does not
believe what the authorities say about her son. She joined
us now was shitting to do a Texas Sharon. First
of all, sorry for the loss of your son, and
we hate we have to do these stories. But you

(01:43:34):
get a phone call and they said that your son
was holding a woman hostage.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
No.

Speaker 30 (01:43:41):
Initially, when I got the phone call, the detective said,
you know, there's been a horrible accident and your son
was fatally wounded, which I didn't even understand. I was like, okay,
I can you know, get a flight and get there.
I'm thinking he's in a accident or something. And then

(01:44:02):
he said no, ma'am, he's dead. And you know, then
it was just like I we're outside of myself, I think.
But he said he couldn't, he couldn't give me any
details and that he would have someone else to call
me back. The next person that called me was a

(01:44:22):
Texas ranger and I asked him what happened and he said,
there was a party and there was alcohol and possibly
drugs at the party, and.

Speaker 8 (01:44:36):
We evacuated the party and.

Speaker 30 (01:44:42):
Everyone evacuated and your son didn't listen and the police
shot him.

Speaker 10 (01:44:49):
So he said, they evacuated, but your son didn't listen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Yeah, did they say that your son's what threat?

Speaker 10 (01:45:00):
The cops tried to lunge at them. I mean, do
they give any understanding? Was this cop wearing a body cam?

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:45:08):
Is there any were there any folks at this so
called party? I mean listen, young folks today, they videotape everything,
so is there.

Speaker 30 (01:45:18):
I haven't seen any of that. We ask for all
of that, but I haven't seen any of it. Yeah,
they video, they post everything, but there's been nothing posted.

Speaker 8 (01:45:30):
Everybody's silent.

Speaker 10 (01:45:33):
Well that's weird because I again, young people today record everything.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
You has your as your family.

Speaker 10 (01:45:44):
Has your attorney been in contact with the DA's office,
with the police department to try to get information we have?

Speaker 30 (01:45:52):
He has. There's been several public information requests that have
been sent in and everything that comes back has been redacted, redacted.
I think it's the proper way to pronounce it, and
that it's just an open investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
So the investigation the Sherif's Department or the Texas Rangers.

Speaker 30 (01:46:17):
The Texas Ranger and then I found out there was
no investigation as to what could have provoked whatever incident
happened in the house. There's no investigation as far as that.
So I don't know what happened to my son prior
to the police killing him.

Speaker 10 (01:46:35):
Have you talked to your state rep your state Senate
to get their involvement.

Speaker 8 (01:46:41):
I've called several.

Speaker 30 (01:46:43):
At first, I couldn't get in touch with any of
my state representatives in the Woodlands area. So I reached
out to Senator Boris Mouse and he is in the
process of trying to assist me. And then finally I
was putting contact with nice state senator and by a

(01:47:06):
close acquaintance, and.

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
I don't know. So no one has given me anything.

Speaker 10 (01:47:15):
So your state senator hasn't assisted in any way.

Speaker 8 (01:47:21):
His office did call and they said that they are
working on it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
But you haven't heard from the state senator, not not
as of yet.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
But he didn't send me a text. But I don't
have any information.

Speaker 10 (01:47:37):
This is uh, So have y'all, So have y'all tried
to reach out to any students at any student like
first of all, okay, was there actually a party or
is this what they're simply telling you? Have you talked
to any of your son's friends. Was he in the fraternity?
Has any of them communicated to y'all that they were

(01:47:59):
with him that anything?

Speaker 30 (01:48:02):
So the people who were actually at the party, they
have not communicated with us at all. But some of
my son's friends who weren't at the party have said
that there was supposed to be a friends giving, So
my son was there to apparently attend the friends giving.

(01:48:24):
The only person who was really his friend wasn't even
planning to go to the party. And you know, I
don't know when once my son got back to the
house after trying to go and pick up this particular friend,
no one heard from him again.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
And was this on campus? Was it off campus? Had no?

Speaker 8 (01:48:49):
It was actually in Woodford, Texas off campus.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Has a university tried to help you, because I take no,
well this not at all.

Speaker 10 (01:49:00):
Was this a party of Texas Tech students or was
it Texas Tech students in the community?

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Folk.

Speaker 30 (01:49:06):
I understand that there were some people that were there
from the community and some tech students.

Speaker 8 (01:49:14):
That's my understanding.

Speaker 30 (01:49:15):
But like I said, I don't have anything except for
vileness that the Texas Ranger has spurred at us, but
other than that.

Speaker 10 (01:49:25):
So here we are six months later and you literally
don't know what the hell happened that night. Literally have
they said that did the officer have a body camera on?

Speaker 30 (01:49:36):
They said the officers all of the officers had bodycam footage,
but they only showed us a summary of events, which
you know, he wants me to believe that that's unedited footage.

Speaker 8 (01:49:49):
But anyone with any knowledge knows.

Speaker 30 (01:49:52):
The summary is that you are trying to make me
believe the point that you're trying to make, and that's
not facts I want to see un edited by him.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Absolutely, that is crazy, Candice.

Speaker 15 (01:50:06):
Yeah, well, I was just thinking that all this information
is so good for people who are out there, especially
attorneys who I am sure are listening, and someone is
going to come to your aid because there's so many
unanswered questions and information that you need. I'm so sorry
for your loss and hate that you have to be
in this position, but the information that you have and

(01:50:26):
that you're sharing is just so important. So I'm glad
to hear because someone is going to take up the
cast for you. That's what I predict, and I just
hope that for you that you are able to get
the information that you get. And thank you for sharing
because this is really important so that other people who
are in this situation can do the same thing, because
we need this information in order to move on and

(01:50:47):
collectively understand what's happening there, especially with our young black men.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Yes, thank you, Michael.

Speaker 11 (01:50:55):
First, you know, I want to say I'm very sorry
for your loss.

Speaker 21 (01:51:00):
You know this sounds senseless, but my question I wanted
to pose is I know at the beginning of this
conversation and reading about this, the police tried to make
it seem like your son created a hostage situation, but
then you found out, Okay, that's not true, all right,

(01:51:21):
So how are they saying that things escalated to where
he's actually killed? They were told to come out of
the party or something like that. How are they saying
things escalated?

Speaker 30 (01:51:37):
Honestly, they haven't really said much to us. The information
that we've gathered, we've had to gather and pay for ourselves.
And from what we've gathered, my son was in need
of medical attention when the police arrived and he was
murdered instead.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Who's your attorney?

Speaker 8 (01:52:02):
His name is Rick Eckerson.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Rick Eckerson, uh, and he's out of.

Speaker 8 (01:52:07):
The Woodlands, Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
The Woodlands, all.

Speaker 10 (01:52:10):
Right, So I would love for for my producer to
be able to reach out to him again. I know
I'm I'm born and raised in Houston. I know State
Centator Boris Miles, Well, he's my fraternity brother. You also
have State Center Royce West, who is in Dallas. Who's
your who is your state senator?

Speaker 8 (01:52:26):
Is our Senator Brendan Crichton.

Speaker 10 (01:52:29):
Brendan Crichton, all right, so you know I would love
to We're gonna reach out to them as well to
find out because again, you know, six months is a
long time if they have I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Normally don't even know the officer's name and and normally
what happens.

Speaker 10 (01:52:44):
And unfortunately I hate to have to say this, We've
done way too many of these stories.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:52:50):
And and the reality is this here based upon our experience, Canda,
as you know this as well, Michael too, that if
there's body footage that saw that shows your son charged
them had a weapon, they get that body cam footage
out real fast.

Speaker 13 (01:53:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
And when something was when? When? When it's six.

Speaker 10 (01:53:12):
Months and you still don't have a lot of answers
that that's these volumes as well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
As your attorney talked to.

Speaker 10 (01:53:23):
Okay, so the Texas Rangers are investigating. What is the
District Attorney's office in Lovett County doing nothing?

Speaker 8 (01:53:31):
I went there and they were very offended that I
even showed up. It appeared.

Speaker 30 (01:53:39):
Because they don't have an investigation. They should be investigating
what happened to my son prior to the officers arriving.
They don't know if he was trying to defend himself.
They don't, they haven't investigated anything. They just said, oh
he's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
They had a.

Speaker 30 (01:53:58):
Secret grand jury. No build the officer, and that's that.
And I'm just supposed to accept it. But I'm not
going to take that.

Speaker 8 (01:54:07):
I'm not taking that.

Speaker 10 (01:54:08):
Absolutely. Well, your son, what class what was what was
his classification? Sophomore juniors, sophomore sophomore major?

Speaker 30 (01:54:17):
And what psychology? And if they had did any kind
of investigation. My son is a beautiful person. He's a
beautiful person. They could have went an.

Speaker 8 (01:54:29):
Ass professors, advisors.

Speaker 30 (01:54:31):
They didn't even try to find anything out about him,
just they just wanted to build this narrative like he
was some thug and that's a lie, and tell him
like he's from a impoverished home.

Speaker 8 (01:54:46):
That's a lie. Just liars, just liars.

Speaker 10 (01:54:50):
Well I'm sorry, no, no, no, I understand, trust me,
I understand. Well, Uh, we're definitely gonna make those phone calls.
I'll actually be in Houston on Monday. I'm presenting two
of my scholarships, actually three scholarships at my high school,
Jackyades High School. Uh, so I'll be definitely talking to
my fat brother Center Boors Miles to get his thoughts

(01:55:12):
on this, and have you have you had any conversations
with the NAACP in Lubbock or there in the Woodlands,
or have you talked to or even Gary Bledsoe who
is a Texas State chair of the NAACP.

Speaker 8 (01:55:27):
I didn't know his name.

Speaker 30 (01:55:28):
I the lovebook n W a c P has been
very helpful. Doctor Molina Abdullah has been very healthful.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Yeah, which is.

Speaker 10 (01:55:39):
Was Blina who reached out to me. So what I'll
do is I'm gonna also I'll give Gary a call.
I know Gary well as well with thee the Texas
State Conference of the NAACP, and hopefully uh that they
can make a statement and try to get some action
and bring more attention to this. Uh so you can
get some answers and some clarity as to what happened
to your son.

Speaker 8 (01:56:00):
I appreciate it, I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
All right.

Speaker 10 (01:56:03):
We appreciate and we hate to have you on the
show under these circumstances, but appreciate you coming on and
tell your story and certainly keep us abreast.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Of any future information you get. Thank you, all right,
Thanks a bunch the closers out. Michael Overan, This is
the thing that again, we've had to do way too
many of these damn stories. And there's no doubt in
my mind.

Speaker 10 (01:56:25):
If that bodycam footage showed her son doing something wrong,
charging the cops, cussed at them, flashing, brandishing a weapon,
that bodycam footage would have already been released.

Speaker 11 (01:56:38):
Absolutely, And not only that.

Speaker 21 (01:56:41):
In reading an article on this, it talked about the
fact that she watched some bodycam footage that was heavily edited,
but that footage that she saw contradicted the initial police
statement and news reports that made it that her son

(01:57:01):
had created that hostage situation. So another question, Well, now
this is Texas, So the state's attorney general, I don't
think he's gonna do anything.

Speaker 10 (01:57:10):
Oh hell no, Ken kim Passion is a pug I
mean again, And that's and that's part of the problem
what you're now seeing because Ken is you got this
idiot in the Oval office. The fans not gonna do anything.
They're not gonna investigate any cops. So the reality is
public pressure is gonna have to be applied in this

(01:57:30):
case to get some answers, uh, and for them to
release the damn body cam footage.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
That's what that's what's gonna have.

Speaker 15 (01:57:36):
To happen exactly, And they thought after six months she
was going to go away, which is why Molina had
to call you. By the way, she's my roommate from
Howard University. But that's why she had to call and
get some action on this. And what she did tonight
was so important because she got out the right information.
So someone will either team up with the attorney that
she has or make him work harder to do what

(01:57:59):
he needs to do in order to move the needle
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Yeah, and again, I don't know who our attorney is.

Speaker 10 (01:58:04):
I don't know if he's black, if he's white, Latino
age and naive America, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
But here's the reality.

Speaker 10 (01:58:10):
In cases like this here, you gotta go public use,
you gotta use the public, you gotta use public pressure.
You gotta work with civil rights organizations and others to
get their attention. Otherwise they're going to remain silent.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
So that is the case.

Speaker 10 (01:58:26):
And so yeah, we're gonna stay on top of this, folks,
because again that is just Look a twenty year old
black man going to college and has to come home
in the body bag and the mom can't get answers
just makes no sense to me at all. Folks, We're
gonna close the show out here. We have another one

(01:58:46):
of our greats who is now an ancestor. I was
aware when he passed away, but the family waited about
a week to let us know. Doctor Juwansa Kunjufu, who's
a leading voice in black education empowerment, has passed away.
For decades, he challenged America to address the systemic barriers
facing black students, especially black boys. He authored more than

(01:59:10):
thirty influential books, like Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black
Boys and Restoring the Village. Kunjufu exposed racial inequities in
education and offered solutions to close the achievement gap and
to uplift black communities. He often said, our children don't
need charity, they need investment, urging educators and policymakers to

(01:59:34):
prioritize black youth. Through his publishing company, African American Images,
he amplified voices too often ignored. I can tell you
that a lot of people all across this country, when
you talk about educators, when you talk about psychologists, they
often talked about the work of Jawanza Kunjufu and not

(01:59:58):
only that, you know, he appeared on numerous shows. You know,
you look at a lot of the national television shows
selling Jesse Raphael. You had, of course you also had
Phil Doctor Phil, all these different shows and and he he,
and he was talking about, uh, you know, what was

(02:00:20):
going on. And so again he was a voice that
often spoke on the issues that we often face.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Here is one of those, one of those interviews.

Speaker 31 (02:00:31):
Hold on another way, and that's that there were a
million black boys last year that wanted to play in
the NBA. Of that million, only four hundred thousand we
even make it to play high school ball.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
Of that four hundred.

Speaker 31 (02:00:43):
Thousand, only four thousand we'll be able to make us
to play college ball. Of that four thousand, only thirty
five will make it to the NBA. Of that thirty five,
only seven start. And the average life in the NBA
is four years. So the real problem is we have
a million brothers looking for seven full time jobs the
last four years, and yet last year we had one
hundred thousand jobs available to be a computer programer, engineer

(02:01:05):
or a doctor, and only a thousand brothers qualified. So
our appeeld to black males is to realize the odds.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
That that you do most would be that that you
do best.

Speaker 31 (02:01:13):
I mean, we were the first doctor not at Pocrates
in Hotel, so we have the ability either math or
science or music and sports.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
But that that you do most be that that you
do best.

Speaker 31 (02:01:23):
If you played basketball from three o'clock to nine o'clock,
you'll be a very good basketball player. If you went
home and went to the library, you'd be a very
good scholar. We need more black male role models that
will encourage our youth in math and science.

Speaker 22 (02:01:35):
Ishmault, how are you reacting to Dooke?

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
I tell you Michael again.

Speaker 10 (02:01:39):
He was a huge force in black education and really
emphasizing academic achievement and making it perfectly clear that black
boys were not some strange, dangerous species that if they
were taught properly and communicated to proper they could excel absolutely.

Speaker 21 (02:02:02):
I was very familiar with doctor Juwanza Khan Jufu. I
posted about his passing on my fan paged the African
History Network.

Speaker 11 (02:02:10):
It got hundreds of responses.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
I was.

Speaker 11 (02:02:13):
I'm familiar with his works.

Speaker 21 (02:02:14):
These are two of my favorite books of his Black
Economics and Hip Hop Versus My Aunt.

Speaker 11 (02:02:20):
I read a number of his books. When I was
in college.

Speaker 21 (02:02:23):
I got a chance to meet him in person when
I was involved in organizing International Detrade Black Expo here
in Detrade is about two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine. He was a speaker there and I told
him personally that his books, his teachings actually helped me
get through college, helped me to refocus because I was
a business major and he was one who combined combined
African history with education. And also one time when I

(02:02:48):
guess called hosted the Militrid Gaddist show here in Detroit
WHB twelve hundred am, he was a guest on the show.
So this is a big loss, I think I personally,
I think he's really underrated as a scholar. I thought
there'd be more coverage of his passing because of how
long and consistent he was with his teachings, and also

(02:03:11):
his three part series Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black
Boys was really fantastic as well.

Speaker 11 (02:03:17):
So this is a big loss. But people need to
get into his teachings by his bulks.

Speaker 10 (02:03:22):
And did in here here before I go to canadis
this is him on the same show talking about and then,
which is why what we do is important images, images
that we see.

Speaker 31 (02:03:34):
There's no question that there's a direct relationship between images
and self esteem. And he goes all the way back
to Tarzan, to Superman, to Ramble, to bad Man, to
even painting an image of.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
Jesus Christ is white.

Speaker 31 (02:03:46):
I mean, you can't separate racism from anything, so it's
not unlikely then, and you have Pope Julius commissioning Michael
Angelo on fifteen oh five to paint Jesus Christ white.

Speaker 16 (02:03:56):
Images control self esteem.

Speaker 31 (02:03:58):
Abraham Lincoln found a very early when we have three
hundred slaghs on a plantation and one master.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
Takes a lot of work.

Speaker 31 (02:04:04):
Why don't you let them go, but don't teach them
who they are?

Speaker 16 (02:04:07):
Control the history, control the images. Then you won't have
to watch them.

Speaker 31 (02:04:11):
Whoever controls the mind, we'll also control.

Speaker 14 (02:04:13):
Talk about the image of the black man in America
when we return, stay tuned.

Speaker 13 (02:04:23):
That was strong.

Speaker 10 (02:04:24):
I mean I can as that point there is just
on point we talk about how crucial the images are.

Speaker 15 (02:04:32):
Yeah, yeah, listen, in order to be a better self,
you have to see yourself out there in the world,
thriving a representation something to let you know. Oh listen,
I can do that. Sometimes it happens in a teacher.
Sometimes it happens in an older brother, older sister, or
an uncle, but there's normally someone who was out there
so that you can see yourself in a different position.
I remember when he was on these shows making rounds.

(02:04:54):
These were books, and these were conversations that were talking
that were happening in church on Sunday mornings. This is
what the creature would be talking about. And then in
Sunday school, and we had different programming in and around
his books because what he's did was he took large
pieces of information was able to break it down in
a way that connected the dots for everybody to understand.

(02:05:17):
And what's unfortunate is what he has been saying all
these decades is still true today in twenty twenty five.
We are still dealing with the images that are out there,
how we're being perceived. We just had the mother that
was on painting him as a thug. They would have
had that body came out if he did something that
was aggressive. It is all about building images, which is

(02:05:39):
why what you are doing is so important, and just
sharing this information and making sure that people know that
we're out there, we exist, and people like this doctor
were important to our history and let's not forget it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Indeed, I'm going to play one more clip before.

Speaker 23 (02:05:54):
We go.

Speaker 32 (02:06:00):
On this edition of Writing Exact. Dashaun Frad speaks with
world renowned author and lecturer doctor Juwanzakun Jufu about the
plight of young black men and young Black women, a
subject that he is lectured on for over three decades.

Speaker 33 (02:06:13):
Doctor Kanjufun, given what we've seen over the past five years,
I would say, with the recent killings of black men,
or the recent unjust killings of black men by police officers,
should we still be countering a conspiracy to destroy black

(02:06:34):
boys as you said over thirty years ago?

Speaker 34 (02:06:37):
And if so, why well, I'm fortunately the conspiracy continues.
And one of my frustrations is that even with video cam,
even with video footage of police officers violently killing our people,
unfortunately trying to secure justice in the courts, they keep

(02:06:58):
using the position that the policeman was fearful.

Speaker 16 (02:07:03):
Of his life. And they use that and have used
it so many times, especially with.

Speaker 34 (02:07:11):
In court with jurors where they've been able to win
so our success. Our efficacy of winning those cases is
less than twenty percent, and that's with full footage of
what took place. But as you know, this conspiracy goes
beyond police brutality. I mean, if we just look at

(02:07:32):
the homicide in my hometown Chicago, where almost every year
we're close to a thousand black males killed by black males.

Speaker 16 (02:07:43):
But the conspiracy goes beyond that.

Speaker 34 (02:07:45):
I mean the large numbers of black boys who were
placed in special education. I mean, we're seventeen percent of
the students, but we're forty one percent of the special
AD children. And if a black child's play easton special
AD eighty percent our block male children in most cities

(02:08:06):
like Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, Chicago, our graduation rate it's only
fifty percent.

Speaker 16 (02:08:13):
So there's some real challenges.

Speaker 34 (02:08:15):
So what does a black male do in its current
economy with a criminal record and less than a high
school diploma. How economically competitive is this young man.

Speaker 16 (02:08:28):
Going to be?

Speaker 34 (02:08:29):
What are his economic options if he has a record illiterate?
I mean, only twelve percent of black boys are proficient
in reading by eighth grade. The richest country in the world,
for some reason, can't teach eighty eight percent of block
mails how to read.

Speaker 16 (02:08:52):
This conspiracy continues.

Speaker 33 (02:08:54):
We noticed that in recent years, doctor Jufion, you had
done if you would.

Speaker 10 (02:08:59):
So folks listen, doctor coanthgen Kuonjufu, a powerful force in
our community passed where the age of seventy one is
now in ancestor, Michael and Cannons.

Speaker 2 (02:09:08):
I appreciate you all being on today's show. Thank you
so very much.

Speaker 10 (02:09:12):
Canons will be hearing from you with the Diddy trial
starting uh next week, so look forward to that.

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So thanks a bunch.

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(02:10:02):
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