Explosive Diddy Testimony, Trump Tariffs Paused, Musk Quits DOGE, Visa Crisis & RFK Vaccine Update

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
On the other side of change, We're talking centers, We're
talking to met Gala, we are talking about Black and
Asian solidarity just in time for API Heritage Month, and
we're talking with our brilliant friend Melivika Cannon.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Nothing about these alliances is like necessarily natural, except for
the fact that we all are people who are trying
to stay safe.

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Tune in only on the Other Side of Change on
the Black Start Network.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
To next Thursday, May nine, twenty twenty five. Coming up
on roland Mark Unfiltered streaming live on the Black Star Network.
Explosive testimony rocks the courtroom and the Sean Diddy Colms trial.
As for more, assistant takes to stay in accused of
the hip hop mogul of re repeeded sexual assault. We'll
get the breakdown from legal analysts Candice Kelly. A federal

(01:06):
appeals court granted the Trump administration's requests to temporarily pause
a lower court ruling that's struck down most of Trump's
Liberation Day taras Elon Musk is out. The billionaire walks
away from Doge. Yeah, but the reality is he's leaving
because his stock price took a hit and his other
companies are imperilled. Black international students are being caught in

(01:28):
the crossfire of a changing visa system. We're talking delayed
denials in deep uncertainty. So we'll discuss that on the
show with an expert. Plus, RFK drops COVID vaccine recommendations
for healthy kids and pregnant women, and health experts warn
another pandemic could be on the horizon. Also, the boycott

(01:49):
against Target continues. I will reiterate that and explain on
the show as well. It's time to bring the funk
a rolling mark on filter on the Blackstar Network. Let's go.

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He's going.

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It's growing, y'all.

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It's rolling Monte Yeah.

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Rolling with.

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He's Poky's pressed, she's real, good question, No, he's rolling.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
Monte Morte falls explosive testimony delivered today and the Sean
Diddy call him the federal trial as his former assistant
to as Mia characterized her work environment as chaotic and toxic,

(03:05):
and she talked about repeated sexual assault.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
It was unbelievable. Legal analyst Candace Kelly joined us. Now, Candace,
what the hell happened today?

Speaker 8 (03:16):
Listen?

Speaker 9 (03:16):
This is Mia victim number four. This is someone who
we heard about in opening arguments. As you said, she's
someone who worked for Sean Diddy Colms as his personal
assistant for several years. Right off the bat, she talked
about staying awake for long hours, five days at a time,
using adderall and order to do that, saying it that
was really the expectation that she stay awake at all times.

(03:39):
And she also said that Colmes sexually assaulted her on
several occasions. And she saw Sean to attack Kassi Ventura
on multiple occasions, even splitting her head open. Now, this
is a story that we've heard before from Cassie as
well as yesterday's witness Deontae Nash, and she says that
most of these tacks did, in fact happen in front

(04:00):
of the full view and presence of Holmes's staff and security. Now,
this is a witness, we don't know her name. As
she sat on the stand, she was crouched over head down.
The only people that could see her name were the
members of the jury.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
She spoke in soft tones. She cried quite a bit.

Speaker 9 (04:19):
She was just very soft spoken and did not want
any of herself, her body to be seen. It looked
like this whole thing was just a traumatic experience, and
you could hear that in every step of her voice.

Speaker 8 (04:31):
Now. She wept as she testified.

Speaker 9 (04:35):
About Shankohm sexually assaulting her on multiple occasions. As I mentioned,
she said that she was required to sleep in his
house that was a part of his job, and that
once he tried to force her to perform oral sex
on her in an attack, said he came out of
his closet with his penis out and that she was
expected to perform and that's what happened. Another time, she

(04:57):
said that she was down on the bottom of a
bunk bed and that when she was awakened, Kombe was
on top of her. Another time, he just put his
hand up her dress, all unexpected, out in the open
at his fortieth birthday party.

Speaker 8 (05:11):
She also described on one time.

Speaker 9 (05:12):
When she tried to get away, that he slammed her
arm in a door over and over again. She says
she felt desperate and trapped and she thought that it
was all of her fault. Now, I want to talk
about Prince's bodyguards. Prince was mentioned today because there was
one particular time in twenty ten when both of them,

(05:35):
this would be Cassie and Mia were invited to a party.
And when they went to this party, they had to
sneak out to do it. Well, somehow Seawan Colmbs found
out about it, and when he came to the party,
she said that they recognized his hat coming across the room,
came and got Cassie.

Speaker 8 (05:51):
They tried to run away.

Speaker 9 (05:53):
Shawn Colmbs allegedly caught Cassie started beating on her, but
Prince's bodyguards saved her. Now this is really usual because
we haven't heard of many of any bodyguards in any
of the situations described from any of the witnesses.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Say Prince's bodyguard, You mean Prince the Artist?

Speaker 8 (06:11):
I do, I mean Prince the Artist?

Speaker 10 (06:13):
Got it?

Speaker 8 (06:14):
Yes, yes, indeed.

Speaker 9 (06:15):
And so this was a time where somebody, she said,
finally saved them because the security guards bodyguards were always around.
But his bodyguard said, no, that that's actually not going
to happen here. She also talked about cleaning rooms after
what she calls really nasty freak offs, candle wax, broken glass,
water on the floor, blood oil. I mean, she really

(06:37):
got to the details of all of this. Now, this
is one thing that I think is very important that
I'm about to say, and this has to do with
the La Police Department. If you recall, yesterday we heard
from the police and it was insinuated that the police
perhaps got rid of DNA fingerprints from Kid Cutty's car

(06:59):
and that fire firebombing on purpose. And this is when
the defense attorneys tried to declare a mistrial. They says,
you cannot lead the jury to think that it was
Shaan Colmes that had anything to do with getting rid
of his fingerprints. But now today Mia testified that on
many many occasions, and anytime she was stopped by the police,
whether she was speeding or something else, all she would

(07:21):
do is drop Sean Combs's name, or sometimes Sean would
be in the car, and the police officers would say
get along. And this is really getting in the prosecution's point.
I think perhaps that maybe there was some way that
Sean Colmes was working with the police in order to
get him off on certain things, the least of it
perhaps being a ticket so the prosecution was able to

(07:43):
get in that particular testimony.

Speaker 8 (07:46):
She was on all day tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (07:47):
Mia will be back all day today, She will be
back tomorrow and cross they're going to end the week
with her. And another note, and this just has to
do with the timeline, Judge Sube Marianeans said that he
wants deliberations to begin by July fourth.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now, Mia is a pseudonym, and you've got a lot
of folks already on social media declaring who this person was,
and so that's naturally and that's not her real name.

Speaker 9 (08:12):
Correct, Nia is a pseudonym. She is also someone else
who filed a lawsuit in the name of Jane Doe.
So they allowed her to get on this stand without
saying her name. She did have to show her face,
a white woman, but in terms of any of their
characteristics and anything else, the judge really wanted everybody to

(08:32):
be very cooperative to make sure that anything that could
identify her would not be released to the public.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And as you lay it out, I mean, she taught
she just just describes it as a vicious, constant assault.
I mean, so she detailed a harrowing experience working with
an under Shawn Combs, Yeah she did.

Speaker 9 (08:56):
And one of the things that we see is, and
this is what from people who've been involved in relationships
with him or not just you know, to personal assistance,
that we've heard, while they've seen the abuse, while they've
suffered from the abuse, and all of it not sexual,
a lot of it's on the physical or just name calling,
they all stayed or felt compelled in some way to
come back. And I think that that's something that the

(09:19):
jury will grapple with. But what we get is this
theme of force and power and fear by so many
of them, even fear today as she sat knowing that
he's going back behind bars, she was just physically unable
to kind of pull herself out of what seemed to
be a post traumatic stress disorder type of a situation

(09:41):
and just sharing this information. But these people, they did
come back saying that listen, this was Sean Colmes in
the industry.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
In this type of industry, everybody knows each other.

Speaker 9 (09:51):
So they were all afraid that they couldn't get a
job if he told on them and said listen, you
don't want her, because that's how powerful he was. He
could stay off you from getting another job. So the
threat is that I just felt compelled to stay there.
Plus I was scared, and I also was sometimes scared.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
That I would die. As we heard from Capacorn Clark
this week.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
All right, then we certain appreciate the Cannons. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
All right, Roland, all right.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
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Speaker 3 (11:25):
All right, folks, let's deal with the idiots, said sixteen
hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Okay, Trump's tariffs are back, at least
for now. A federal appeals court just paused at lower
court ruling that struck down that idiot's sweeping import duties,
giving its administration a temporary win. The US Court of

(11:47):
International Trade rule on Wednesday that Trump overstepped its authority
by using emergency powers to impose teriffs on goods from China, Mexico,
and Canada. However, on Thursday, federal aper court he hit
Paul's real estating the tarifs. While both sides prepare their
arguments due next month, the appeals court said they line
of June fifth for the plainters to respond in June

(12:08):
ninth of the government to reply. Now, this is, of course,
is kind of important, and it was hilarious again, is
you're really dealing with an idiot here, someone who who
just in his mind he thinks that we're gonna make

(12:28):
a ton of money off of tars, which is not
gonna happen. Uh, the idiot doesn't believe that doesn't believe
that the the tars actually hurt the consumer, But then
when he's talking about it, he's like, well, actually it does.

(12:52):
And keep in mind Jerome Powell, who heads the fed. Uh,
he told us last month that the tear of Donald
Trump are going to hurt consumer prices, They're going to
hurt the country, and these maga fools just keep believing
the nonsense. This was the chair just last month.

Speaker 11 (13:15):
How much of the higher inflation forecast for this year
is due to tariffs?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
And since the policy path remains.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Say, are you effectively reading this as a one time
price level shock?

Speaker 12 (13:28):
Okay, so how much of it is tariff? So let
me say that it is going to be very difficult
to have a precise assessment of how much of inflation
is coming from tariffs and from other and that's already
the case. You may have seen that goods inflation moved
up pretty significantly in the first two months of the year.
Trying to track that back to actual tariff increases given

(13:53):
what was tariff and what was not, very very challenging.
So some of it, the answer is clearly some of it.
A good part of it is coming from tariffs.

Speaker 13 (14:02):
But we'll be, We'll be working.

Speaker 12 (14:03):
And so will other forecasters to try to find the
best possible way to separate non tariff.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
You got all of that going on, and and the
problem that you have is, as I said, how how
how stupid maga is uh? And what gets me is
they love judges that agree with them. They hate judges
that rule against them. That white supremacist Stephen A. Miller,

(14:30):
who really is a miscreant in uh in this administration,
this fool actually now his title is Deputy Chief of
Staff of Policy and Homeland Security Advisor. I'm shore with
this dumb ass, actually said he in complaining about the judges.
He complained about the judge in mind job. One of

(14:52):
them is a Trump appointed judge. So just just want
everybody to understand what we're dealing with here. This is
he goes, we're living under a judicial tyranny. So you
see right here, because he was responding to a tweet,
the three judges who just overturns Trump agendas. So they
show this year Judge Gary Katzman, he of course, you know,

(15:19):
twenty sixteen. Then they show Judge Timothy Reef, they show
him here. Then they go, you know, senior judge Jane restanding.
Here's the problem, y'all. One of those three is a
Trump appointed judge. So to show you how ridiculous they are,
they whine and complain when judges rule against them, and
then they want to limit their power. They want to

(15:41):
do all those sort of different things. But then when
the judges ruling their favor, or when they were ruling
against President Joe Biden, then it was like, oh my god,
they're amazing, They're great. These people are anarchists, they are fascists. Okay,
they don't believe in the rule of law. They don't
believe at the applies to them. They want you to

(16:02):
do whatever they want in any given time, and they
don't give a damn what anybody thinks, including judges. And
part of the problem that we have is the idiots
on the Supreme Court, namely Chief Justice John Roberts frankly
allowed this to happen. They allowed this to happen because
they told this fool that he essentially could do whatever

(16:22):
it is he want to do he wants to do.

Speaker 13 (16:24):
So.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Donald Trump's whole dealers like, yo, I don't have any guardrail.
I don't have any there's no fence. They're no barriers.
I could do whatever I want, and Supreme Court allowed
me to do it because they did not want him
to be prosecuted for the crimes that he committed before
he was sworn in the first time. So all of

(16:45):
these things that you're seeing, everything that you're seeing right now,
this complete dismissal, this arrogance, this attack on the judges,
it's because they believe that he's a king. Remember, I
told y'all from the Bible God, we want a king.

(17:09):
I'm sorry, you want what in one Samuel, we want
a king. I'm gonna give y'all a key. Y'all gonna
get solved, and I'm gonna tell y'all what he gonna do.
But these fools, they want us to accept anything that
he does, and they're angry at these judges for doing it.
And so now Chief Justice John Roberts has a problem.

(17:32):
Now Trump doesn't even respect Supreme Court rulings. Supreme Court
rule nine to zero for the Trump administration to facilitate
the return of a Brago Garcia from El Salvador. Trump goes, well,
my people told me that they rule in our favor.
Hell you talking about it. They rule against your ass

(17:52):
and Trump does an interview who says, yeah, you know,
I can pick the phone up and not can call
bring him back. I'm not gonna do it. Chief Justice
John Roberts is sitting in the Supreme Court looking like
a lackey, looking like a Charlie blanket, Charlie Charlie Brown
walking around with his blanket or lying, is that what

(18:14):
we're gonna do? This is the moment where the courts
should be holding folks in contempt and say, I'm gonna
throw your ass in jail, Yo ass in jail, Yo
ass in jail. And if three more use attorney's coming
here giving me the same bullshit, I'm throwing them in jail.

(18:35):
Bring Steven Miller's ass in here, Baylor, take his ass
away because he's in contempt. The only way you're going
to get these people to comply is if you actually
put their asses in the slammer and tell them that
Etch and Stone above the Supreme Court is equal justice

(18:55):
under law and that applies to yo orange ass. But see,
that's not gonna happen. And do you know why it's
not gonna happen, Because if you're John Roberts, and if
you're Sam Alito, and you're Britt Cavanaugh, and you're Gorsic,

(19:15):
and you're Clarence Thomas, and to some degree you're Amy
Coney Barrett. You agree with Trump because that's your guy.
You want his policies. You know that he's the trojan
horse that is going to drive the Federalist Society's agenda.

(19:36):
You know that he is the trojan horse that's going
to drive the Heritage Foundation's agenda. You know that he
is going to do whatever right wing billionaires want him
to do because he's a transactional imbecile who would do
anything for money. And so what we need to understand
is what we are dealing with right now, literally is

(19:57):
a thug who occupies the Oval office, who does not
listen to anybody. He ignores everyone, and they can't stand
that they're bringing my pan Today's show sortly glad to
have them on the show. Recye Covert host recy COVID show,
Serious XM Radio joining us out of d C. Y'all

(20:18):
do his favorite y'all need to put Rec's card reach.

Speaker 14 (20:21):
You're still selling your game, I am, I have them
a new version, all right, so you've got your in
addition two all right.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
So y'all need to send is the reason you need
to send a graphic. So include that in Rece's intro intro.
Please not the Great Car Department of Afro American Studies
at Howard University out of Washington, d C. As well. Uh.
And then we got uh, doctor Nola can't fix no gumbo, Haynes.
She is, of course Georgetown University a school of School

(20:52):
of Foreign Service as well. So what's wrong? I mean,
you know, Templary, DC is still like fifty seven yesterday.
You know, I'm just saying, I'm.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Going with Jesus today. I'm gonna be graceful.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Are you going with Jesus? Are you going with Jesus
just today? Okay? So who you're rolling with the other?
Who you roll with the other six days?

Speaker 4 (21:17):
That's no here, no there, But today I'm going with Jesus.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Okay, all right, gotcha, I'm just checking, just checking. Let's uh. Greg,
I made the point there that these people truly believe
that I was sitting here, Greg last night, and I
was reading our good friend doctor Jerald Horn's book The

(21:41):
counter Revolution of eighteen thirty six Texas Slavery and Jim
Crow and the Roots of Us fascism, and he's gonna
be on the show tomorrow because I was a little
pissed off watching this History Channel docuseriies on the frontiersman
who helped build America, and I was, I was, I

(22:03):
was a little pissed off watching that. Matter fact, Leonardo
DiCaprio is the executive producer of that uh. And I
plan on getting a message to Leonardo DiCaprio that said,
you should be a shamed of putting your name on
anything that completely distorts and lies about American history, because
I've watched and I came home Monday and my wife

(22:26):
was watching it and I'm sitting there and I'm like,
what is that? And it was season three and I'm
watching this and they're talking about the fight for Texas Independence,
which I know very well, and I'm I'm I'm sitting
there and Greg, I'm sort of waiting to hear why
they were fighting for quote Texas independence. Uh. Not one time,

(22:51):
not one time did I hear slavery. Not one time
did I not? Not, y'all, I say not one time,
not one time, Not one time did I hear what
the battle's over? Not one time did I hear why
Santa Anna, uh. And the troops were there and it
was all about, oh, how the Davy Crockett and they

(23:14):
were fighting for Texas independence. No, they were fighting to
steal land and for slavery. Uh. And so that's when
I said, let's be sure to book Gerald so we
can rip the History Channel for that travesty of a docuseries. Uh.
And so when I was reading his book, uh, And
even he lays in the introduction he talks about how savage,

(23:39):
how savage people like John Baylor was, and how they
were killing Indians, how even the even Washington, d c.
The federal government was like, we ain't trying to kill everybody.
But one of the things that he lays out here,
he talks about how vicious these folk were in this

(24:01):
wild wild West, and how in Texas, the wild Wow
West met slavery and those two forces came together. And
even what happened in Texas was exasperating folks in Washington,
D C. And I say that because these thugs and

(24:23):
now occupying sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue, they literally are treating
America right now like the savages were in Texas, in
the wild wild West. And how went with the West
fork transformation of the country, how they were killing and

(24:45):
maiming and destroying everything in their path to get what
they want, and we now held these folks as patriots,
as the people who helped build America. We don't want
people to know the real story of how savage and
decrepit they are. That literally, Greg, are these people right

(25:08):
now in power.

Speaker 10 (25:11):
It absolutely is something now that you said last week
when you're referring to not Christianity, not even Catholicism, but
that kind of set, that extremist, that opustay set. You know,
you're talking about somebody like Sam Alito as you were
talking Roland. We can be reminded, as Gerald, I'm sure
we're remind us. You all have conversation about how Alito

(25:32):
in oral arguments. I think it was around the Indian
Child Welfare Act. It might have been the arguments in
Brakeen versus Texas where those white Evangelical Christians that couple
wanted that Native American baby he brought up the savage Indians.

Speaker 13 (25:46):
There's still their idea they're on a crusade.

Speaker 10 (25:49):
These are crusaders, and Steven Miller represents those crusaders. Elon
Musk is a self interested, self involved capitalist, ruthless global capitalist.

Speaker 13 (26:00):
So you see him now.

Speaker 10 (26:01):
Saying, listen, I can buy the election in Wisconsin. My
rockets are blown up out the sky. I'm not selling
Tesla's in Europe. I'm getting ready to be ruined. I'm
getting the hell out of here. Deuces and beefing with
the true believers like Steve Banning and as you said
that that decrepit Stephen Miller. They are absolutely loose in

(26:22):
the world. But you know the checks are there because
what we're facing now is a real threat to the
continuing criminal enterprise called the United States of America.

Speaker 13 (26:33):
And we know the business of America's business.

Speaker 10 (26:35):
Yesterday's Financial Times, Edward Loose, writing on the IBED page,
coined a new term. He called it the the moron
pre premium. He opened he opened his IBED and he said,
the name's bond, treasury bond. Because that's the only force
that has been able to stop Donald Trump so far. Now,

(26:55):
that is a push and pull. You're absolutely right. We
saw what happened today with the Core. It's the Court
of Appeals for the Federal Federal Circuit. That is a
court that has only existed since nineteen eighty two, when
legislation put together a merger of the Customs and Patent
Appeals Court and the Appelate Division of the US Court,

(27:17):
which deals with basically everything, including tariffs in terms of trade.
So that's a new court relatively speaking. Jerome Palell met
with Trump today and it's like, Yeah, I'm not moved
by you ranting and raven. The only thing I'm worried about.
And he tells this publicly. He said that I'm worried
about analysis made solely on careful, objective, non political analysis,

(27:38):
because the names bond, treasury, bond, this idiot tax, this
moron premium could collapse the US economy. And so even
as yes, the appeals court said we will halt these
will halt you from doing these tariffs for now to
allow you an appeal, another federal judge, George Contreras, blocked
Trump from collector tariffs from a couple of Illinois toy importers.

Speaker 13 (28:03):
So now he's got to appeal that.

Speaker 10 (28:05):
Why Because he said what the circuit court said that
was appealed to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Speaker 13 (28:14):
He said the same thing.

Speaker 10 (28:15):
He said, that law you're using does not provide you
with the power.

Speaker 13 (28:20):
To impose tariffs.

Speaker 10 (28:21):
Ultimately, the law is going to prevail because in this country,
the religious zealots can say what they want from Texas
to today in terms of their religious zelotry. But the
name's bond, Treasury bond, And if you want to collapse
the US economy, it's gonna be a lot harder than
tweeting from your public housing toilet in the middle of
the night like Trump, or screaming like Stephen Miller.

Speaker 13 (28:40):
At least that's what it seems like to me.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
NOA. I also have another book sitting right here. It
is called a Black Radical, The Life and Times of
William Monroe Trotter by Carrie K. Greenidge. And the reason
I hold this up because William Monroe Trotter was a
trailblazing black journalists to own a black newspaper in Boston,

(29:06):
and he was so hardcore that that racist President Woodrow
Wilson threw him out of the White House because he
dared to challenge Wilson on his racist policies. I bring
that up because this is a moment that we have
to be We have to be operating where truth tellers
are talking about what's happening and put it within a

(29:27):
historical context. The idiot that occupies the Oval office is
truly truly in love with another particular president by the
name of Andrew Jackson. This here is this is a
lecture that was with the Organization of American Historians, and

(29:48):
this is what they lay out here. It says the
lecture description that I'll use president before Donald Trump. But
both Donald Trump and the severest critics touted his resi
semblance to President Andrew Jackson, although for nearly opposite reasons.
But I disagree with them because I believe they are

(30:08):
the same. And for the people who are watching, this
is why I need y'all to stop acting like history
does not matter, because when you study history, you can
have a full understanding of what people are doing present day.
To make the comparison, go back to my iPad, it says,
while the president and its acolytes celebrated Jackson's swaggering nationalism

(30:29):
and insurgent populism, opponents condemned his chauvinism, xenophobia, bigotry, and racism. Yes,
we could literally substitute Donald Trump for Andrew Jackson, it said. Thus,
Jackson became the vehicle to propagate dueling images of America's

(30:52):
historical legacy and national character. Yet neither portrait bore much
resemblance to the real Jackson, And looking at Jackson's actual
record can restore some balance to our understanding and some
humility to our judgments. Oh but if there is one
particular area, there is one particular area where Trump and

(31:14):
Jackson are so similar, and that means ignoring the courts.
This here is from the Federal Judicial Federal Judicial Center.
This is what it says. In two notable nineteenth century cases,
Worcester versus Georgia eighteen thirty two and Ex. Party Merryman

(31:35):
eighteen sixty one, presidents took no action to enforce Supreme
Court rulings under circumstances where many argued if they were
obligated to do so. In Worcester, the Court found in
favor of Samuel Worcester, a missionary living among the Cherokee nation,
who had been jailed for refusing to take an oath

(31:59):
to obey the laws of Georgia. In an opinion written
by Chief Justice John Marshall, the Court held that the
Cherokee constituted an independent political community to which the State
of Georgia could not apply its laws accordingly, The court

(32:23):
declared all Georgia law regulating the Cherokee, including the law
under which Worcester was prosecuted and laws providing for the
redistribution of Cherokee land, to be unconstitutional, and ordered the
Superior Court of Georgia to reverse the conviction. And this
is where it is, Like Trump, the Georgia court refused

(32:47):
to follow the Supreme Court's direction. I don't have the vote,
greg You may know what it is, if so let
me know unless I'm gonna try to look it up
when Noah speaks, it said, and Georgia's governor to defy
the court as well. So here you have the Supreme
Court of Georgia and the Governor of Georgia both saying

(33:09):
the hell with the highest court of the land and
their particular ruling. Back to my iPad, it said. President
Andrew Jackson, who took no action to force Georgia's compliance,
was denounced by those who believed the president was obligated
to enforce a Supreme Court ruling against a recalcitrant state.

(33:33):
Of a story that Jackson remarked, quote John Marshall has
made his decision. Now let him enforce it unquote is apocryphal.
The quotation is believed to have first appeared in an
eighteen sixty four book by the newspaper publisher Horace Greeley.
He wrote in a letter to a friend, if the
court's decision was quote Stillborn, and if the court was

(33:54):
unable to quote Course Georgia to yield to its mandate,
what happened. Chero Keys will force off their land. That
is known as the trail of tears. Donald Trump, Nola
loves Andrew Jackson. Last time he was there, he hung
his portrait in the Oval office because Andrew Jackson said,

(34:19):
the hell with the Supreme Court ruling. I'm gonna do
what the hell I want to do. And that's how
we got the trail of tears. And this is what
this man is doing when it comes to Brego Garcia.
He does not care about due process. He does not
care what the court say about tars, He does not
care what the court say about DEI, He does not
care what the courts say about shaking down the properment.

(34:40):
Education in their mind is the same as Jackson. This
court is still born. I can do what the hell
I want.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
Absolutely, and from the first Trump administration I don't know
if people remember this, but when he invited Native Americans
to the White House, there is a picture of Native
Americans standing right under the to Andrew Jackson.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
I remember it.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
There was a lot of consternation about it, there was
a lot of pushback, but at the end of the day,
he doesn't really care. So here's what I want to
talk about regarding everything you just laid out Roland. So
we have to understand the definition of fascism.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
There are three parts. Militarism, nationalism, and.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
The so called national interest over the individuals, so not
caring about the individual. And then also anything that is
the antithesis to liberal democracy. Now, where are the core
tendants of liberal democracy? The core tendants of liberal democracy
or separation of church and state, adhering to the judiciary.
So the reason why I am lining this up is

(35:45):
that you have to understand the foundation of fascism is
to not adhere to those foundational elements of a liberal democracy.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
So all of the things that are part.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Of liberal democracy philosoph fascism is opposed to. So forget
what the judiciary says, especially if it doesn't align with
supporting their fascist goals.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Forget the fact of separation.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Of powers and between governments, checks and balances, all that
goes out of the window. So I really want people
to understand that definition and those four pillars of fascism,
because I think that when we hear fascism, we have
this idea of Adolf Hitler, which isn't wrong per se,

(36:34):
but I think it's this really kind of romanticized version
of Adolf Hitler and this kind of global takeover and
this kind of march towards you know, taking over Europe
and all that stuff. Yes, that can be a part
of it, but in twenty twenty five, those things look
very different. Those things may not look like putting American

(36:58):
boots on the ground and trying to overtake Europe in
that kind of traditional war making sense, but it does
show up in other ways. And tariffs is one of
the ways in which Donald Trump is trying to control
other states. Okay, so this is all about control to
impart your own type of philosophy. So you know, Roland,

(37:21):
you always refer to them as being thugs. You know,
I think they're weak thugs, you know, you know, they
they kind of move like thugs, but they don't really
you know, have that kind of they can't see a
thing through. I mean this week, I think we were
introduced to the term taco. I mean, you know, like

(37:42):
Trump has a tendency of going really hard and trying
to be the bully. But at the end of the day,
we all know when you stand up to the bully,
you know, they tend to deflate.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, this is the video you were talking about when
the Native American Cold Breakers were on in the White
House exactly. There are people who are highly critical because
as he was recognizing these Native American patriots, they were
standing literally in front of a portrait of Andrew Jackson.

(38:11):
And there are a lot of Native Americans who were
greatly offended by that because of the trill of tears.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Go ahead, yeah, you know, and I'm almost done with
my political science corner here. But what you need to
understand is fascism doesn't necessarily well I guess we'll see
the tanks rolling.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Out in DC in June, I suppose.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
But all of this is about the individual, I mean
erasing the individual, and it is this nationalism over everything else.
So you know how that term all black everything for them,
it's all Trump everything.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
The thing that we see again I need people to
understand what is going on is when we talk about
what is happening again, people, we need to understand that
this is not just willy nilly, This is not just oh,

(39:17):
they're surely winging it. No, no, no, this is literally,
this is literally what the hard right is always wanted.
What people need to understand. And that Supreme Court decision
was five to one. And that's for the people who
don't understand that we didn't always have nine Supreme Court justices.
At one point we had six, So that was a

(39:38):
five to one Supreme Court ruling and that Wartrichter Versus
Georgia case. But the point I'm making here is that
this is what people don't seem to understand. Right wingers
in America have despised the civil rights movement. They despise

(40:00):
the Reconstruction Amendments, they despise the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth Amendments.
They can't stand the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act,
and the Fair Housing Act. And the reason they can't
stand and these were things that black people fought for.
It was the radical Republicans who did not give a

(40:24):
shit about bipartisanship after the Civil War and they say
that they don't vote for us, We don't give a
damn run these bills through. That's a lesson for Chuck
Schumer today if you ever get the majority back. The
thing here is they despise the Reconstruction amendments because freedoms

(40:46):
in this country have all been born out of thirteenth, fourteenth,
fifteenth Amendment. Now when you go through now, of course,
then we had that Jim Crow comes in great Compromise
of eighteen seventy seven, ninety two years of Jim Crow.
Then you have this second, this second Reconstruction, and so
now you have these three civil rights bills, the Civil

(41:09):
Rights Bill. People don't understand the nineteen sixty four Civil
Rights Act. You had that racist Judge Smith out of
Virginia who thought putting women into the bill was going
to do it, and in fact it got more votes.
And so when you talk about Title nine and the
women's movement, really for white women, that was a result
of the sixty four Civil Rights Act. When you talk
about fair housing, that was nineteen sixty eight. When you

(41:30):
talk about the Disabled Americal Disabilities Acted nineteen ninety six,
that was a civil rights Act of nineteen sixty four.
When you talk about same sex merrit that's fourteenth Amendment
equal protection clause. When you see them trying to fight citizenship,
that's fourteenth Amendment as well. And so what this see
is the hard right, fearless society with their aim is

(41:53):
to completely undermine the federal courts, to undermine hunger is
in order to say, we have supreme power in the King,
in the executive, the executive branch, so therefore we can
blow off Congress, blow off the judges, and do what

(42:17):
we want because they have hated the federal judges ruled
in favor of black people.

Speaker 14 (42:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the unhinged animists that
you know, white nationalists have had towards towards black people
is a big reason why this administration is so successful
at convincing its base that this is a war on
black people, when the reality that this is going to
you know, much more drastically impact white people than anybody else.

(42:50):
You know, these this big, beautiful, ugly ass bill, if
you ask me, is going to be very detrimental to
Red States. This terror policy is killing manufacturing, it's killing
small businesses across the country.

Speaker 15 (43:04):
What they did with USAID to try to stick it
to the to the to the to what that was.

Speaker 14 (43:09):
Just Africans and Middle Easterners getting a is killing Maga farmers.
And so this animus and this racism and this white
nationalism is only serving to make the people like Elon Musk,
who is unceremoniously out of the White House supposedly now,
and Jeff Bezos and all of.

Speaker 15 (43:27):
Them billionaire is richer.

Speaker 14 (43:29):
So you know, I think that what we're going to
see now is we're gonna see some sort of punishment.

Speaker 15 (43:35):
It's it's gonna the chickens are coming home to roost.

Speaker 14 (43:37):
And what all this racism has unleashed and as untethered
as it is to any kind of law, any kind
of regulation, any kind of societal norm, it's gonna be
very dangerous. And that's why Donald Trump is is just
he's a madman who's unchecked. Now there's God blessed Jerome
Pou that he is unflappable when it comes to what

(43:59):
Donald Trump is trying to do. But we're seeing the
implications of having an unhinged, erratic, illogical economic policy with
this global terror policy that is, you know that court
finally said is unconstitutional, but has already been blocked from
that attempt to block Donald Trump from implementing this. So

(44:19):
I think we're going to see really, really drastic implications
of this beyond a bathroom bill, Beyond the zero percent
of athletes who no longer trans, athletes who can no
longer perform. We're going to see a radical remaking of
this society, the economic conditions of this society, the educational conditions,
and unfortunately, the health conditions of people in this society,

(44:41):
all because people wanted to be racist and xenophobic and sexist.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
The thing here and again that there's a reason, Greg
I'm trying to walk through this because let's just be honest,
you're not going to get this these real conversations on
mainstream white meatia because they're focused on the latest stupid,
crazy thing. If this idiot actually said, we talked about

(45:08):
this on yesterday. The reason and so and this is
for all of the simple simon black people who only
think that, oh, it's about Trump, I'm having money in
my pockets, not understanding the larger game, understanding that it
was a charade for him to partner Larry Hoover knowing
full well he will never get out of prison because

(45:30):
what was happening in Illinois, and so now you got
black Forest oh Man, Trump partner Larry Hoover Trump pardon
NBA young boy on his gun charges, not realizing that
they don't give a damn about voting. Because this is
why yesterday we talked about how the Trump Department of
Justice is suing North Carolina. This is the headline on

(45:50):
Fox News this website. DJ sues North Carolina over voter rolls.
Here's the key Department of Justice suit in the state
of North Carolina and the North Carolina State Board of
Election on Tuesday, we're allegedly failing to maintain an accurate
voter lists. They claim that they are violating the two
thousand and two Help America Vote Act. Let's be real clear,
Republicans never gave a damn about to Help America Vote Act.

(46:12):
And what people need to understand is, because you might
be asking, I don't understand what the big deal is
with North Carolina, here's why. Because North Carolina is on
his way to becoming Georgia. North Carolina elected. Although Donald
Trump won North Carolina in the presidential race, North North

(46:32):
Carolina elected a Democratic governor, a Democratic lieutenant governor, a
Democrat Attorney General, a Democrat in the Secretary of State,
which is why the Republican North Carolina legislature changed the
laws and they took all of the power of the
state voter of elections away from the governor, away from

(46:54):
the Secretary of State, and gave it to the state
auditor because he's republic Now, for the folks at home
who are going with I still don't understand, it's because
there's a guy named Tom Tillis who's on the ballot
next year. Who is Tom Tillis. He's the architect of
the voter of suppression laws that North Carolina put in

(47:14):
place after Obama won North Carolina in two thousand and
eight by fourteen thousand, one hundred votes. He's up for
reelection next year. They're scared to death he is going
to lose reelection. So they're scared that OSOFT will get
reelected in Georgia and that they'll win North Carolina. They
could have won North Carolina last time if cam Cunningham

(47:37):
had not been cheating and doing it during the campaign
and lost by three points and got busted for it.
But that's neither here nor there. They know what's going
on North Carolina, in the black belt in East North Carolina.
If Democrats had any sense whatsoever, they'll be pumping massive
amounts of resources to turn black people out. You could

(47:57):
actually flip that state. I need people who are not
paying attention to understand that the Trump doj is trying
to weaponize the Help America Vote Act because they want
to wipe hundreds of thousands of people off the voting
rolls in North Carolina, in Georgia and in other places

(48:20):
to make it easier for them to win. That is
why they are doing this. Gregy and me.

Speaker 13 (48:32):
Okay, thank you, Roland.

Speaker 10 (48:33):
And one day, maybe one day soon, maybe not, but
one day for sure, the true story of the election
of twenty twenty four will come out and we'll see
how voter manipulation, voter suppression, and other tactics were used
in addition to voter suppression and disinformation to deliver the
vote at the top of the ticket. You've been reporting
on this for a very long time, Rowland. I'm talking

(48:55):
specifically about North Carolina. You know you've covered it with
a laser focus. Know that Russell Vote, the ideologically misshaping
clown who's the quarterback of Project twenty twenty five and
the really intellectual architect, along with Kevin Roberts, of a
great deal of what the clown has been signing, including
that executive order that spoke to this question of quote

(49:17):
unquote voter integrity. And for those who have the memory
beyond the memory of a fruit fly, like too many
people in this society, as you say, watching commercial news, entertainment,
mass media, you'll remember that the chapter in Project twenty
twenty five on voters on voter voting rights, which really
a voter suppression chapter, was written by Hans von Spakowski,
one of the chief architects of voter suppression in the

(49:40):
first Trump administration.

Speaker 13 (49:42):
We understand that you're absolutely right, they are desperate.

Speaker 10 (49:46):
Is this should encourage everyone, however, because in their desperation,
what they are showing is they don't have another hand
to play. Today, Rolling Stone report that he admits miss
leading Supreme Court about the South Sudan deportations. Pam Blondie
is a human joke at the Department of Justice. No

(50:06):
one takes her seriously. Who's a reasonable human being? And
in doing this taking these kind of actions, this kind
of Orwellian up and down left is right day is night.
Actions like we're trying to protect the vote by trying
to put people off the voter rolls. In North Carolina,
they are energizing the opposition. We saw what happened at
Harvard today. The president of Harvard, Allen Graver, got a

(50:28):
standing ovation of minutes from students and everyone else. I
wish it could have been in time to save Claudia
Gay from the hit squad that took her out, But
simply people are unifying in opposition. I just rushed back
from the National Organization of Black County Officials a meeting
in Birmingham. By the way, Alicia Simmons said, hello, you

(50:52):
know your friend from Terran County, of course, who you
covered extensively here for staring down that racist white county commissioner,
and she was in battle with him. But the talk
of the conference, one of the things they were talking about,
is how do we come together to resist at the
local level. You've been saying this forever, all politics is local.
This is very much the politics of distraction in North Carolina.

(51:14):
As Reverend Barbara has been saying for over a decade
since they started Moral Mondays down, they're on the steps
of the Raleigh State Legislature.

Speaker 13 (51:21):
All we have to do is organized.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
As Gary Chambers has said on these airways to you
and conversation over and over again, Louisiana, the South is
not read, the South is unorganized, and so we just.

Speaker 13 (51:35):
Don't get distracted.

Speaker 10 (51:37):
If we do the work, all of this theater will
amount to nothing and they will indeed have their political
backs broken by the organized people. And that's why, again,
why this channel is so important, because you're bringing this
to light, You're putting in people's faces, and that allows
us to have a reasoned, thinking conversation about it that
will lead to action.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
You know, it is absolutely imperative. See that people really
understands why we have to connect the dots, because what
they're trying to do, they're trying to play black people small.
They're trying to say, oh, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna

(52:15):
put it, We're gonna put a couple of coins in
your pocket. But while you think that we're doing that,
and we're actually not, we're gonna completely eradicate this entire
infrastructure over here. And see what you then have is
then you got these simple simon negroes who love talking
about the black Bulet, the Black Bulet, the black Boulet. Oh,

(52:37):
the black boulet or the black boulet, the black Blade.
They love talking about that, and they have no idea
what the hell they're talking about. They literally have no idea.
Oh and I know those same simple Simon Negroes when
that was she just or he and the Bulet. Am
I in Alpha Alpha Turney Corporated? Absolutely? Am I am
Prince All Masons? Yes? Am I in signa PIP five

(52:59):
Return Incorporated? Deblay Absolutely? Are the other male organizations Absolutely?
But you got to be real stupid. You got to
be real stupid to label all black organizations the black bulay,
because how the hell do you think you actually got anything. See,

(53:21):
I love these people who proclaim themselves to be super radicals.
I love these I love these super radicals who yap
on YouTube, who talk about being revolutionaries and then want
to say you're a shield and you're a sellout and

(53:43):
all you care voting for Democrats when reci it's very simple,
what is staring us in the face is Republican democrats.
Matter of fact, this is what's staring us in the face.
William Monroe, Trotter and Texas fascists. So let's see here. Huh. Okay,

(54:03):
I may not agree with everything of William Monroe Trotter,
but I damn sure don't agree with any of these
fools over here, So why would I ever put them
on the same level. And then when people say, well,
you know, you just sitting up here, you're trying to
make us vote Democrat. No, I'm actually trying to get

(54:24):
you what reality is and what is staring us in
the face. Somebody is going to win. Now, if somebody
can actually show me how a third party candidate has
a viable path to winning two hundred and seventy electoral
college votes, I'll happily listen to that. Last I checked,
I don't think Jill Stein got one electoral college vote,

(54:46):
even in New Hampshire or even in Nebraska where they
do it by congressional district. So when people so, when
I am talking about how we should vote in who
we sha to vote for, I'm looking at fundamental policies
and it doesn't mean that, oh, that this side over

(55:07):
here is somehow all perfect. Let me remind people, Recie
that one of the reasons why the Affordable Care Act
was not a popular deal, it was not because more
than the majority of Americans hated the Affordable Care Act
the reason and more than the majority of people did
not support the Affordable Care Act because that was a

(55:28):
significant number of progressives who felt the Affordable Care Act
did not go far enough. They wanted the single payer option.
And so when people were talking about the Affordable Care Act,
so the Fororidible Care Act is not popular, No, you
have to disaggregate. You got to remove the people who
wanted to go further than what it did for the

(55:49):
people who were opposed to it. If you actually separated that,
what you would have discovered is that more people were
in favor of the Affordable Care Act than the people
who were actually against it. And so when I listen
to these folks who talk a good game, who are
very theoretical in their approach, when the rest of us

(56:09):
are literal in our approach, because we're looking at it
face to face. I got a Republican attorney general and
I've got a Democrat attorney general, and so let's see
who am I more likely to get what I'm looking for?
And a Democrat attorney general may not be as progressive,

(56:30):
it may not be a Larry krashen Or may not
be an Amerzi Yalla. It may not be a Marilynd Moseby,
may not be anyone like that. But guess what, I
can lean on that person more than I can this
person who's going to ignore me. That's called real life politics.
What we're talking about here is what we call real shit.

(56:53):
What we're talking about here is what is happening in
real life. These folks over here, who right here with
the Texas fascists, Uh, they're like, damn matter of fact,
if y'all it says, since if y'all think somebody watching
y'all sitting here saying I see that you all rowdy,
You just trying to scare us. Hmm, I'm glad I

(57:14):
showed that. God, thank you for giving me that reminder. Yesterday,
as I was on Twitter looking at uh the actual
looking at some different feeds, the Texas Tribune posted an
article talking about how Republicans in the Texas legislature are
changing uh the law. This is what uh, this is

(57:38):
what they said. Right here, Texas property owners can use
nearly as much water under their land as they want
without facing liability to surrounding landowners whose weals might be
depleted as a result, that's unlikely to change even as
the state's water supply approaches a crisis. Now, that was
one particular tweet that I saw, but the one that

(57:59):
kept should my attention was the one that I was
really really interested in, and it dealt with the whole
issue of how in Texas they were changing the laws
that would make it easier for these companies to pollute

(58:21):
the water, and then they would be granting them immunity
from being sued as the result of that. So, if
we're talking about here's the tweet right here, the Texas
legislature has given oil and gas companies legal cover to
sell waste water to be treated and released into the

(58:45):
states rivers, lakes, and streams. House bo forty nine protects
landowners and companies from liability should consequences arise after they
sell or treat the liquid. Now, if I had to
hold up one party over the other, the reality is, recie,
one party actually is trying to make sure that our

(59:07):
water is not polluted with waste water and going into
public streams. With another party, the Republican Party, It's like, yo,
we gonna let companies do whatever the hell they want
to do. And then we're gonna give them immunity to
say you can't sue them. So for all of these
so called radicals, so called revolutionaries, the people who say,

(59:27):
oh man, you hilling for the Democrats, Please tell me
what your ass gonna do when it comes to clean water.

Speaker 15 (59:36):
Not a damn thing that they gonna do, so they
could shut the fuck up.

Speaker 14 (59:41):
You know, people call me, people call me bulet. I
take it as a compliment. I'm not a party of
in the organization. But what you're saying is I'm successful.

Speaker 15 (59:49):
Thank you. I'm very happy to be successful. I work
very hard to.

Speaker 14 (59:52):
Be here and for me to be a so called
democratic shit.

Speaker 15 (59:55):
It's people still who.

Speaker 14 (59:57):
Want to throw up every time they see me because
I was on their for five years ago. Now I
had a whole ass, babe, and people still mad about
some shit. I say, the twenty nineteen, but I wear
that as a badge bonner as well. The reality is,
if you have more smoke for anything that said on
this show, to try to connect the dots and educate
people about the policies, the implications of those policies and
ten steps down the line, because I promise you what
we're seeing here today and this administration is the things

(01:00:21):
that we warned about time and time and time again
on this show from years back up until now. What
we've seen with US citizens being arrested in under iceholds
was what we warned about when Texas, Louisiana, and Florida
and Georgia were passing laws empowering state police to arrest
people under the suspicion of being illegal here illegally. And so,

(01:00:45):
if you have more smoke for anything you've heard on
this show than you do for the fact that this
administration canceled consent decrease that arose out of the protest
of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, if you have more
smoke for what you're on this show than for the
fact that uh Elon Busk is putting data centers that
are polluting the error and the environment in Memphis. If

(01:01:07):
you haven't smoked for us and what you're here on
this show, which is factual information, then what this administration
is doing. Fuck you go to hell, kiss my black ass.

Speaker 15 (01:01:19):
How about that?

Speaker 14 (01:01:20):
And anybody in the comments and anybody's watching who has
a problem with the fact that I said any kind
of expletives an extra double fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
You, uh Nolan, you now have to follow that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Oh oh lord, the people on Blue Sky gonna go crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
All the things that reci said.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I was talking to
my best friend the other night, and she was like,
what alphabet crow ad, the f BAS, the ab the
ABC d os.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Is, Like, what where are we're at.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Talking about everything that has that's been reversed, attacks, the
blatant attacks on black folks, especially black women. Let's talk
about our unemployment rates that's going you know, I you know, like,
I'm glad that you brought up the issue around water
because the first thing that I thought about was the
environmental uh rollbacks, especially in a part of the world

(01:02:21):
where I'm from. You know, there's been a combination over
the years between oil spills and these different regulatory fights
over you know, where people fish and where they actually
make their living.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
One of the things I would fight with some of
my cousins.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Who actually kind of subsisted on, you know, some of
those uh you know fishing Uh they made their there
made they made their living, you know, fishing. Like, why
would you support a party and a person who doesn't
care about environmental protections, who doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Care about regulation.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
It makes no sense, right, And so what's really interesting
about this argument is it is very clear rolling like
you rolled out, there's a party that cares about people
and there's a party who does not care about people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
It really is that simple. It really is that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Well no, no, no, hold no, no, no, no, no, I don't want
to rephrase that that there are members, There are a
lot of members of a party that care about people,
but there are some Democrats that don't care about people,
and those are the people that should be targeted. And
so again, so that this is the reason me I'm
interrupting you because I believe the distinction is important because

(01:03:37):
because it cannot be blindly in terms of party, there
are some people with a D in front of their
name who need to be defeated.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
And so I don't agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I don't disagree with that, but I believe, but I
believe it's important for us to make the distinction so
people understand that we're not offering a blanket immunity or
cover for anybody with a D. We're saying that if
you have a D in front of your name, we
expect you to do some things on behalf of the

(01:04:11):
people and not corporate interests. Go right ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Now that I am able to finish my thought, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
After after you have gone to a linguistic chiropractor and
you now had an adjustment.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
The policies speak very clearly that are for the people,
which is my point about policies not necessarily specific people.
The policies speak very clearly about being for the people,
which is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
My point Rolling Sebastian Martin.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
And yes, you have to hold people accountable, but you
have to look at the policies.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
You have to look at the.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Policy and don't care about what you got going on
in your everyday life. And let's go back to the
definition of fascism. It isn't about the individual, right, you
don't care about life, right, So it's about those harmful policies.
And I think it's very clear which group cares more
about people in which group does not.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
And sometimes and again as a chiropractor, sometimes you got
to crack that back in order to create an alignment.
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Do you want to turn that shit off? We're doing
an interview with the father all right, The idiots at
sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Just how dumb they are? Okay,
so in their desperation to attack Harvard, but also their

(01:09:26):
desperation to keep brown people out of the country. They
paused new student visa interviews while they consider expanding social
media vetting. So basically what this is is Marco Rubio,
Donald Trump, Stephen Miller. They want to literally throw people
out of the country who utter anything critical of the

(01:09:47):
United States. Do y'all remember when Marco Rubio was testifying
before the Senate and he proudly he proudly. Uh no,
it it was before the House and it was a
member who was speaking. And now check this out. Here's
a video worm where this is the Secretary of State

(01:10:10):
Marco Rubio. Okay, in a country where the First Amendment
is first, is saying you criticize Israel and you are
student of visa, you can't stay here. Listen to this.

Speaker 8 (01:10:26):
Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Under President Trump, the United States will stand with the
Jewish people. We have implemented a vigorous new visa policy
that will prevent foreign nationals from coming to the United
States to foment hatred against our Jewish community. We are
holding international organizations and nations accountable for rhetoric against Israel
that resurfaces in the manifesto of monsters Likediron and Sarah's Killer.

(01:10:52):
But we do see an eventual light at the end
of this long tunnel of suffering, one can imagine the
Middle East in which to Abraham accords eventually rain. So
thank you for the opportunity to address you folks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
First and for all, Let be real clear, he's full
of shit because it's not about fermenting hatred. What he's
actually doing is is targeting individuals. Even if you write
an op ad that's critical. Listen to this.

Speaker 16 (01:11:26):
When you come to the United States as a visitor,
which is what a visa is, which is how this
individual entered this country as on a visitor's visa. Okay,
you are here as a visitor. We can deny you
that visa. We can deny you that if you tell
us when you apply, Hi, I'm trying to get into
the United States on a student visa. I am a
big supporter of hamas, a murderous, barbaric group that kidnaps children,

(01:11:48):
that rapes teenage girls, that takes hostages, that allows them
to die in captivity, that returns more bodies than live hostages.
If you tell us that you are in favor of
a group like this, and if you tell us when
you apply for visa, and by the way, I intend
to come to your country as a student and rile
up all kinds of anti Jewish student, anti Semitic activities.
I intend to shut down your universities. If you told

(01:12:10):
us all these things when you applied for a visa,
we would deny your visa.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
I hope we would. If you actually end up doing that.

Speaker 16 (01:12:16):
Once you're in this country on such a visa, we
will revoke it. And if you end up having a
green card, not citizenship, but a green card as a
result of that visa while you're here in those activities,
we're gonna kick it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Oh again, one of the people they went after she
wrote an op ed. That's how it was. Now officially
the focus is on Chinese nationals, particularly those in tech
fields or what ties the Chinese Communist Party. But that's
not what this is all about. We know what it's

(01:12:47):
all about, the game that they're playing. So joining us
right now, Nana Ji. I'm the executive director of the
Black Alliance for Just Immigration. Glad to have you on
the show again, Nana. This is this is how well
these people they literally are calling through everything. And if
you uttered anything negative about Trump, about MAGA, about the Republicans,

(01:13:15):
this is not about Israel. This is not about Hamas
their whole deal is. I mean, we have people posting
how they are going through cell phones at customs and
looking through text messages and all of this to look
for any critical comments about Republicans Trump or Maga.

Speaker 17 (01:13:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, and thank you so very much for having
me on and thank you for connecting all of these dots.
This has nothing to do with Israel when you look
at who they target, like the big pieces that we
see are like students at Harvard, students at these IVY leagues.
But when he talked initially about three hundred visas that
have been revoked, those people were not all people who

(01:13:58):
were talking about Israel.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
You had South Sudanese students who they.

Speaker 17 (01:14:02):
Revoked their visas across this country because they got into
dispute with Self Sudan. Because South Sudan was like, if
you're going to deport people, please at least let them
be Self Sudanese. You're just taking every Negro you can
find and deporting them in Selth Sudan.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Whether it's their country or not. And we're not going
for that.

Speaker 17 (01:14:18):
And they just took the visas away from salth Sudentes folks.
We have students that are here in the San Diego
area near where I am in Los Angeles. We got
called by two students. It ended up being one hundred
and twelve students from Haiti. They had nothing to do
with protests, They had nothing to do with Israel or Palestine.

(01:14:38):
This is just targeting vulnerable people because they know that
they have their visas in their hands and expanding their surveillance,
their spy machine, looking specifically at social media. And we
know that there's policies and executive orders relating to that
to make sure that they can squash the sect.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
And that's all this is.

Speaker 17 (01:15:00):
And if this is allowed to stand, particularly as it
pertains to students, it's going to make the surveillance that
I know you remember of black students on campus pushing
back and fighting in support of black lives look like
a walk in the park look like pleasantries, because they're
going to be coming after everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
They practice on one group.

Speaker 17 (01:15:22):
But it's meant for us all, and particularly black students.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
And so and so again we have to be extremely vigilant.
And so you hear Rubio saying, oh, supporting Hamas and
for minute just sent against against Jewish Americans and against Israel.
But as you said, that's not what's happening with the Sudanese.

Speaker 17 (01:15:44):
That's not what's happening with the Sudanese. That that's what's
happening with all of these people who's visa interviews have
been paused.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Imagine what it takes.

Speaker 17 (01:15:53):
And you know this Roland, how hard it is as
an African student, as a Caribbean student to even get
to the point that you are even given an interview.
It's not like you apply and then the next school year,
that's what happens. No, people are waiting years. When you
get here, you have to save up the funds because
you're not going to get grants, you can't get scholarships,
you can't get financial aid. You have to pay for

(01:16:15):
this on your own. And most folks who are applying
are working class. It's not coming to America. Whether they're
Princes the Mood or whatever, they're just regular working class
folks coming here trying to get this education. And now
they're saying they're pausing all interviews across the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
World the United States so that they can.

Speaker 17 (01:16:35):
Check out people's social media posts before they decide whether
they're going to grant you an interview or not. Folks
should not be bamboozled. Not only is this a violation
of those students right, but this is the practice that
they're going to start using on folks here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
It'll begin with students and whether or.

Speaker 17 (01:16:56):
Not they're going to give them financial aid, whether or
not they're you know, what kind of federal support are
you going to get?

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Are you going to get a pail grant?

Speaker 17 (01:17:03):
Suddenly your social media handles are going to be a
part of the application for that process, and then we
know that it's going to start extending from there until
it just becomes a mandate that in order to get
a job, in order to go to school, in order
to get benefits, that you've got to turn over and
let big brother know whether the King is being besmirched

(01:17:25):
in any of the posts or any of the chats,
any of the emails that you may be sending, which
is your First Amendment right to do, even as an
international student, as a visitor in any capacity, regardless of
citizenship in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Questions from the panel. Nolah, your first.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Nana, thank you so much for saying everything that you
said in the work that you do so I think
about this from the perspective of Earlier in the show,
Rolling had mentioned different types of bills that were kind
of included within the Civil Rights Package, and one of
those things, I've done a lot of research on an

(01:18:09):
Immigration Nationality Act, especially the nineteen sixty five part where
the quoters were lifted and more people were able to
come to the country quote unquote if you were qualified
basically if you have the money to come, and so
over time. You know, first it started with an explosion
of Asian different folks from Asian regions, and then African
countries and then Latin American countries, and so I think

(01:18:33):
a lot of what we are seeing is also a
push back to that right, to opening up the so
called American dream to black and brown folks, because that
wasn't supposed, that wasn't the initial intention of the first draft,
the first and second draft of the Immigration Nationality Act, right, So,

(01:18:54):
as we are seeing all of these pushbacks against everything
that came out of the Civil Rights Package, this is
also included, but it's not talked about as much. And
then also we saw this pop up in the first
Trump administration, especially with the second travel Band. So my
question is, how are people. How are people feeling in

(01:19:17):
the diaspora. Do people even still want to come here?
When Trump won and Trump two so blatantly, blatantly is
trying to roll back all of the progress that was
made through through that whole package of the civil rights
during the civil rights times and opening it up to everyone.

Speaker 17 (01:19:39):
So, I mean, people still want to come to the
United States.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
They're very concerned.

Speaker 17 (01:19:44):
About coming to the United States, right, And so you know,
you have a couple of things that are happening that
are causing in particular black international students to come here.
One of the things is that because of the way
that the United States has engaged in our countries, right
our home countries and the rest of the West, we
don't have those universities, We don't have those medical schools.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
So a third of the.

Speaker 17 (01:20:09):
Black people that are in this country are in the
field of the medical field, and so many for example Haitians,
but Haiti, because of US foreign policy with respect to Haiti,
because of France's options with respect to Haiti, Canada, et cetera,
it doesn't have the medical schools if you want to
go to medical school for you to do that in Haiti.
So yes, people are looking particularly at those countries that

(01:20:32):
have done so much damage to our home countries to say, look,
we're gonna go right where our profits are going that
you're taking from us. We're going to go where our
people have gone that you stole from us. We're going
to go and reconnect and you know, build those relationships there.
And so people want to do it, but they're very
clear about the fact that you are black people, right,

(01:20:53):
We're black. We're not some other kind of thing just
because of our nationality.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
And it's always been different for us.

Speaker 13 (01:21:00):
US.

Speaker 17 (01:21:00):
It's never been the same to be even a black
brit coming into this country as it is a white
Brint coming into this country. It's always been different. So
we have kind of that muscle already. But certainly I
think it's important for folks to understand exactly what you've
said in terms of the connection with civil rights and
immigrant rights, because immigrant rights is in fact a racial

(01:21:23):
justice issue that squarely deals with blackness and migration. And
to the degree that we don't see those connections, we
gonna end up with a whole bunch of African Americans
in a black site in El Salvador, confused about what
has happened to them right, as well as having a

(01:21:44):
whole bunch of black immigrants in this country confused about
what happened to the Land of the Free and the
Home of the break. We've got to make those connections,
connect those dots. So I'm so pleased to be able
to be here today to really have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Recent ellipsic is gorgeous. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
I'm I'm trying to add stuff go a head rece.

Speaker 14 (01:22:10):
It's often good to be on this program because to
my point earlier, our conversations with you on this program
have been warning about the connection, to your point, between
racial justice issues and immigration justice issues. I want to
cover a little bit more about the South Sudanese part

(01:22:31):
because I still don't.

Speaker 15 (01:22:32):
Know if it's really clicking with people.

Speaker 14 (01:22:33):
And I think that this administration is very strategic and
unfortunately smart, and how they've tried to use immigrants as
a pretext to be able to really attack freedom of
speech and to increase surveillance on people.

Speaker 15 (01:22:49):
There's reporting today about.

Speaker 14 (01:22:51):
How they've been basically farming all of this data for
migrant children that they've been DNA that they've been collecting.
To the last point you made about how sooner rather
than later, we'll probably see black people who are American
born US citizen black people in black sites. Can you
just talk a little bit more about what you've seen

(01:23:13):
in terms of kind of the tea leaves you've seen
and the policy that you've seen with this administration talking
about wanting to deport homegrown people, about their sloppiness and
who they've targeted in terms of people who don't have
criminal records but who've been in the crosshairs of different
law enforcement actions that blend them in trouble with immigration,

(01:23:34):
because I feel like people are a little bit complacent
because they hear immigrant and they think, well, I'm a
US citizen. But we've seen a sloppiness with this administration
where if you don't have due process, you can be
rounded up, as these ICE agents are walking around a
military gear in Tallahassee now and Martha's vineyard, rounded up
and find yourself in South Sudan.

Speaker 15 (01:23:56):
So I just if you can linger a little.

Speaker 14 (01:23:58):
Bit more on that point about how these things are
a lot closer to happening, if they aren't already happening,
than people might suspect.

Speaker 17 (01:24:06):
So you know, as you were saying that I was
thinking about how we just celebrated the one hundred years
of Malcolm X brother Malcolm, and one of the things
that he teaches us, he said, you know, you couldn't
possibly be an American speaking to African Americans because if
you were an American, they wouldn't have to keep passing
this stuff. He would already have all these rights in
the Constitution, right. And he wasn't saying you're not American

(01:24:27):
in the sense that you haven't done what needs to
be done to be American.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
He was saying, this country will always see you as foreign.

Speaker 17 (01:24:35):
And it's a painful reality, but it is a reality.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:24:39):
As you know, the original alien is the kidnapped African
brought to this country in.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Chains, right.

Speaker 17 (01:24:48):
And you know, all of the laws that start with
immigration that are limiting immigration in this country all begin
with black people. We're told to begin with South Asians.
That is not correct. They begin with free Haitian trying
to get into this country and being told at that time, no,
you can't come in. And so this thing about blackness
and otherness is one that we live with every single day.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Again, regardless of our citizenship and the.

Speaker 17 (01:25:14):
Fact that people are African American when you have folks
that are stopping people and are saying, we don't care
about how you sound, right because and say, afoot who
we know who was at one point the ed of
New Georgia project came to this country when she was twelve,
and you can't tell that by hearing her talk. And
there are so many other folks right that are in

(01:25:34):
similar situations.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
So they're saying they don't.

Speaker 17 (01:25:37):
Know from how you talk, so they gonna grab you
and ask questions later. They are now saying that they
mistakenly and we know that's a lie, but let's put
that to the side. Mistakenly took kil Mar and Brago
Garcia to El Salvador, that he should not be there,
and yet he is still there. And so the fact
that you should not be there is not enough for

(01:25:59):
you to be brought back to this country. Once they
decide that they're sending you away and they are making plans,
they just they're in talks with Djibouti, they were in
talks with Libya. They weren't talks with Rwanda. You know,
Mark Roland, we got us talk to some of these
African leaders because they lose in their minds too there
are talks with the Central and South American countries right
to see who can be where can we pay you

(01:26:22):
to hold folks, and we will be sitting right next
to each other, side by side, foreign born black people,
black people like me who are the children of foreign
bla black people, and black people who are African American.
Once these folks do what they do if we don't
stop them, great.

Speaker 10 (01:26:42):
Thank you Roland, and thank you Sistan and I for
your work. And I'm glad you brought that last point up.
We know that the Black Star scared the hell out
of Eisenhower and Kennedy and Nixon, that Kwami and Krumer coming.

Speaker 13 (01:26:57):
Here and raising at the added nations.

Speaker 10 (01:27:00):
The question of pan Africanism and African solidarity is one
of the reasons that Africans in the United States were
able to make the advances that we were able to make.

Speaker 13 (01:27:10):
And that really leads me to the question I have
for you.

Speaker 10 (01:27:15):
Even as we see Donald Trump and his white racist
friends in their death bleep, we know that white supremacy
is dying, and we know that this is going to
be a painful death.

Speaker 13 (01:27:25):
The painful death. You know, what.

Speaker 10 (01:27:29):
Do you see on the horizon in terms of a
post American global order, what are some of the alternatives
to coming to this criminal enterprise for students. We saw
what happened today at Harvard, as I mentioned earlier, the
ovation for the president of Harvard standing in solidarity. I
think there are going to be some unintended consequences in

(01:27:49):
terms of global solidarity movements. Hopefully that will reawaken Pan
Africanism among Africans here in the United States and internationally.
We know Paul kagat Me is on the take. He's
been on the take for quite some time in Rwanda,
so we would look to nothing for him, even as
his rhetorical Pan Afghanism, it should should poison his mouth
for him trying to evengestion in that direction, given what
he's done and what.

Speaker 13 (01:28:09):
He will do.

Speaker 10 (01:28:10):
What what do you think of the possibilities of a
post American global order and how should we be thinking
about solidarity movements globally as African people to help us
in this moment?

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
So think of that.

Speaker 17 (01:28:26):
I mean, one of the things that we talk about
is we know that the system as we know it
is falling, and that certainly in that process, you know,
I'm not cheering it on I'm never going to cheer
on the building falling on people, because there's people that
are in it right happening, whether we're cheering not cheering. Obviously,
the system as we have and now is not one

(01:28:47):
that I would set up, you know. I think that
there's a lot that needs to be done, and there's
a dismantling that needs to happen. I wish we could
do it in a more orderly manner, but it's just
the nature of what we're dealing with. It's going to
happen in an or that's not orderly. What are we
building for the other side?

Speaker 7 (01:29:05):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:29:05):
I mean earlier you all were talking about Palestine, and
you think about Palestine, the Congo, Cameroon, Sudan, all of
these countries in which wars are happening and people are
building for the other side. People know that some people
are going to survive and what's on the other side
of this. And I think even as we talk about
this international student issue, particularly as it pertains to black students,

(01:29:30):
that that is part of the building for the other side.
Klimben Kromer went to Lincoln University. We know if we
look at HBCUs, if we look at community colleges, we
look at our fraternities and sororities that it is not.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Just African Americans.

Speaker 17 (01:29:46):
In this space, right that, in fact, because international students,
black international students are paying fees and here, that that's
part of how we survive to the other side. If
he snatches this money from community colleges, snatch money from HBCUs,
the capacity to have black international students is what's going
to keep these colleges moving and keep our people still

(01:30:09):
able to hold on till we get to the other side, right,
And so that's important. And when we have people coming
from the United States, African Americans, from various HBCUs that
have programs sending folks to Ghana, letting people learning Cape
down and Johannesburg, having people go to Kenya, sending people
to the University of West Indies, that's how we build

(01:30:31):
that global solidarity, black solidarity that we're gonna need because
on the other side, it is absolutely not gonna be
about alphabet soup, and it's absolutely not gonna be about
I'm from Ghana, I'm from Nigeria, I'm from here, I'm
from there. We're not going to a race where we
come from. Obviously, in our cultures. But we're gonna have

(01:30:52):
an understanding that it is with us working together and
building together the world that only we, as the progenitors
of the entire world.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Population understand needs to be right.

Speaker 17 (01:31:06):
And so this thing with the international students is not
just a nothing, it's a lot, because it's a way
in the formidable years of people's lives, of black people's lives,
for us to be connected to each other, for us
to learn, for us to love on each other, for
us to be with each other that they're trying to
destroy here because they know that twenty percent of black

(01:31:28):
people in this country are.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
Either foreign born or children of foreign born people.

Speaker 17 (01:31:32):
And they know that a lot of those people like
my parents and my father came in nineteen sixty five
to get his PhD in civil engineering at Berkeley, and
they know that that won't produce Anana and all my
siblings who are going to join this liberation fight for
black people. And they know that, and so we have
to make this an important part of what we're talking about.

Speaker 13 (01:31:52):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Ben Nna. We appreciate it. Thanks Abuch, keep up the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Fight, thank you, appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
All Right, folks going to break, we come back, We're
gonna talk about the continuing boycott against Target. We got
some other stuff we gotta cover. Y'all know how we're
gonna do this thing. We're gonna keep bringing the funk
as we always do. And let's see what crazy thing
no they gotta say. Next, it's gonna pay Black Table.

Speaker 10 (01:32:31):
We discuss a place, an idea, a dream, and a
reality that everybody on the planet should know about, a
place called Mound by you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
What about black people creating their own country not from
the outside in, but from the inside out.

Speaker 10 (01:32:49):
That's next on the Black Table right here on the
Black Star Network. This is a simple of man and
this is man and you're watching roland Mark until.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Akron Ohio. The man who ran over and drugged a
man in the gas station parking lot is out unbonded
for to one of you. Old Thomas Felber is charged
with one count of felonious assault for running over an
unnamed fifty year old person. The grewsome short video circulating
in social media. Weber one, y'all, that is no audio,
but it's quite disturbing. Officers who responded to the scene.

(01:33:44):
Saint Felberg first assaulted the victim before getting into his vehicles,
striking the man and dragging him through a nearby parking lot.
The victim was transported to a local hospital where he
remains in critical condition. Felber was arrained on Tuesday morning.
Is currently out on a fifty thousand dollars bond. Is
now goes before a grand jury for possible indictment. YO,

(01:34:04):
that's that's crazy, But you've got some people who are
crazy like that. Harvard University finally giving us some ownership
some of the earliest known photographs of enslaved people of
African descent. These images feature a man named Renti and
his daughter Dlaiah, who were photographed in eighteen fifty without
their consent at Harvard scientist commissioned these photographs to promote

(01:34:26):
racist theories. After fifteen year fight live by Tamrier Lanier,
who trace her lineage back to Renty, Harvard has agreed
to return these particular photos to the International African American
Museum in Charleston, South Carolina, where Renty and Delaiah Deli
aware enslave Lanea accused Harvard of exploring her ancestors. Images
were profit and prestige. Now for the first time descendants

(01:34:49):
will gain control over these historic images. I mean this stuff,
this stuff is really important, Greg, because what we are seeing,
what we're seeing with the National Museum African and History
and Culture, the International ZEM and Charles and other smaller
missines around the country, there's a massive amount of Black
history that is, that is in places we know nothing about.

(01:35:12):
And frankly, uh, this to me is akin to Eastern
European Jews reclaiming stolen artifacts during Nazi Germany's reign.

Speaker 13 (01:35:25):
Yeah, I think it's a it's an accurate comparison. You're making.

Speaker 10 (01:35:29):
Their Rowland Harvard has never been a complete friend to
African people.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:35:36):
The Harvard Law School, Uh, in the last couple of
generations of Memory series correctly finally abandoned their their coat
of arms, their shield which kind of has a racist overtone.

Speaker 13 (01:35:48):
You know, John Harvard plantations.

Speaker 10 (01:35:50):
Well, if you read Craig Stephen Wilder's book Ebony and Ivy,
he talks about the racist origins of many of the
Ivan League schools. So, yeah, it's important, and you make
that comparison, I think it's an affluent The whole question
of repatriation has really seized.

Speaker 13 (01:36:03):
The global African imagination. It's good that we eat it.

Speaker 10 (01:36:06):
You had Nina on just before this, because you're seeing
this demand all over.

Speaker 13 (01:36:11):
You're seeing it.

Speaker 10 (01:36:11):
In Nigeria and been in for the return of artifacts
and the return of the benin Bronz as the British
Museum said, we're not giving them up or whatever. But
in Senegal you're seeing things being returned to Senegal from France,
not enough, but some. And here in the United States,
Loni Bunch, the secretary of the Sithsonian overseeing the transfer
of pieces back to Nigeria, and then Nigeria.

Speaker 13 (01:36:34):
Is saying for the time being they can remain on loan.

Speaker 10 (01:36:36):
In the United States, you're seeing this and these photographs
which you're going to Charleston, and I haven't been yet.

Speaker 13 (01:36:43):
I don't know if any of the three of you
have been.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
I haven't been.

Speaker 13 (01:36:46):
Okay, very good.

Speaker 10 (01:36:48):
I'm just raising it because you know, Jim Clyburn worked
for many years on that so many people in South Carolina.

Speaker 13 (01:36:52):
That museum in Charleston is going to be important.

Speaker 10 (01:36:54):
It's part of our growing network of museums around the
country dedicated to telling the story of a people globally,
not just here in the United States, and it really
is finally a fight about memory. That's what this fight
over the Smithsonian is about. That in part, although the
big part too was getting the information at the Copyright
Office and other things out of the Library of Congress.
But for the racist getting Carla Hayden out of that seat,

(01:37:17):
which I should I think should not be a done deal.
They should definitely go and dispute that this Library of
Congress not the Library of the Presidency. But it really
is about attempting to continue to narrate us as fitness
of the white imagination. We're pushing back and we're seeing
victories like the one that you just narrated today.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Well we're all start saying, we saw what took place
the the lawsuit in the settlements RAC when it comes
to Henrietta Lax and her sales in the advancement and
so again, this is I mean, this is a nation
that has greatly benefited, profited from the free labor and

(01:37:56):
the exportation of people of African descent, and guess what
what are shipped back.

Speaker 15 (01:38:02):
Period and listen, think about it.

Speaker 14 (01:38:06):
It's unfortunate that they have to be dragged kicking a
scream and these by the fuck, it's a shameless You
should be trying to make amends and repair the damage
that they did. Harvard, you know, UH was getting a
lot of money from charging licensing fees for the image
of Rennie, while you know, also preventing his family, his

(01:38:26):
descendants from from actually owning the image that's rightfully theirs.
And so I'm glad that it's going to be put
to more respectful and collaborative use with with with with
Rennie's family. I think that it shows the fact that
it was such a battle, the lack of humanity people
have and respect people have for the humanity of our
enslaved ancestors, and thinking that you know, they still have

(01:38:49):
some sort of ownership over the stories and the lives
of those people that were.

Speaker 15 (01:38:55):
Just that were that came under horrendous conditions.

Speaker 14 (01:38:58):
And so I always black people need to get more litigious.
I always said that, and I'm happy to see that,
you know, his family did not back down and that
finally some sort of justice was served and now it
can be put to use in a way that honors him,
in a way that it honors his family.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
I say this all the time. I love that particular
scene Nola from Malcolm X when the cop goes, Okay,
break it up. You got what you wanted. No, I'm
not satisfied.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Yeah, one thousand percent.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
And you know this is you know, I want to
point out this is global theft. One of the things
that I do, whatever country i'm in, the first thing
that I do is go to a museum. And I
cannot step into a museum without wondering is this in
partnership or is this a theft?

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Right in addition to all of the stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
That has been stolen from many of our ancestors here
on this show, I also want to go even farther back,
things that I cannot stand to.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
See in Italy.

Speaker 6 (01:40:07):
Of Egyptian whears that they haven't you know, in Italy,
and I can't help but to wonder is this stuff
or is this in partnership. So when I saw when
I saw that we were going to talk about this
specifically with Harvard, I've seen it, you know, I've seen
other things there that are that are on display from
Native Americans to our heritage, and again is it theft

(01:40:31):
or is it in partnership? And often it is theft?
So I am happy that this happened. And then you
know also Harvard. You know, Harvard's in the news right
now in a way where you know, receeded this really
great received with the receipts about how it's understandable that
Harvard isn't this sympathetic kind of institution that you want

(01:40:53):
to ally with, but right now what it's standing up
for is an important thing. So what did in Harvard's
best interest to settle this probably is not a good look,
right and especially after they put the kibosh on the
descendantive slaves program that was also at Harvard University. So

(01:41:16):
you know, they're in a momentum right now of positive,
positive media attention. So I don't know if that's the
reason why they did this. Perhaps it was just coincidence.
As a security person, I don't know if I believe
in coincidence. I'm just happy that they did it, and
I also hope that people follow suit around the world,

(01:41:36):
because it's not just a US problem. The amount of
that cultural theft around the world, typically when it comes
to black and brown civilizations is out of control. So
I hope this sets some sort of precedents to make
sure that you know the acknowledgment that hey, we have this,

(01:41:57):
we may not have this, you know, through the through
through the most legal channels, but we want to acknowledge
that we have this, and how can we honor where
it came from. I think this is an important cultural conversation,
especially you know folks like me where I love art,
I genuinely love art, and it's hard to step into

(01:42:21):
some of these places knowing that's so much of culture
industry and illegally.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
Let you break up, illegally break up anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
I'm done what I was.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Like, you just stopped. I said, I agree. I can't. Okay,
so I can't. I can't agree. I can't agree with
the self. I can't agree with the statement I'm done.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
I don't trust it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Well to mean you don't trust it, I would say.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Is coming, something else is coming, something.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Else wasn't coming. That was that was trying to tell
you to her your ass up.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
I didn't stop you. That that is called. So let
me explain to you, tell y'all something. Nola gonna send
me a text time, boy, I can't wait to get
my own show. See you're gonna learn. See Nola, You're
gonna you're gonna learn when you get your own show.
When somebody going too damn long. I'm trying to tell
you when you get your own damn show, and with

(01:43:26):
somebody going too long and you ain't trying to cut
them off, You're gonna be like mm hmm. And then
then if they ask keep going, you like mm hmm.
And then if they then if they keep then they
keep going, you give me like gotcha. See that's like
that's like it's like a see recy noah see recy.
You got your own radio show. You know, it's like

(01:43:47):
a Q you give You're like mm hmm. And it's
like and then with somebody yes, like uh huh okay,
and then.

Speaker 15 (01:43:56):
Like shout out to because Nola, you have a new show.
So go ahead, thank you on your show.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
You oh oh you got you got you got a
new show. What's your show? My show is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Called Nightcap through the Persist Network. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
So what what what? What's that? Non seriously explain to
people what it is? So what is it? Video? Is
it audio? And where is it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
It's on Instagram live through the Persist Network. We are
a group of women.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
We were formerly Women for Harris and then we turned
into the Persist Network and we do different things. We
do three different We do rapid response, we do local advocacy,
and then we also have a media wing. And so
the first two shows that came out of Persisten is
my show Nightcap and Katie Fangs show called Wait a
damn minute.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Okay, wait, okay Wain talking about Katie Fang, we're asking
you what times? No stop stop, I said, explain your show,
stop add extra ship? What time is your show? And
where can somebody watch your show?

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
This man, don't give me a moment's rest.

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
As I was about to say, you can find my
on a network on Instagram live Tuesdays at eight pm
Eastern Standard time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
Thank you, thank you, reci.

Speaker 8 (01:45:14):
Going to be on next week.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Okay. Somebody in the chat said, rec don't play on
her show though, sec be like recent like gas going
to them long wrap this ship up. Okay, just let
y'all know. So, yeah, you're gonna know matth fact so
so so since you got a new show, note when
you're gonna buy the brother on your show?

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
I just said, so I was debating if we won't
have many so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Let me check how many people on your show last week?

Speaker 13 (01:45:47):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Oh man, I'm just saying I mean, I kind of
got a few followers. I'm just saying, you know, but hey,
that's good. It means all ain't ain't no thing. Y'all
want to have.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
My show Foreign and Domestic on the Roland Martin Network
on Black Star Network.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
I'm just saying, you know, Foreign and Domestic would be
a good show. But you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Oh treatment, Oh okay, you did you turn it in?
You turn it in? Okay, all right, I'm gonna pull
that up. I'm gonna take a I'm gonna take a
look at it and see what is see what it's
all about. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna see what
it's all about. All right, Uh, let me get back
to my show instead. I'm fooling with ms Kate fixed Gumbo.

(01:46:37):
I told y'all this was gonna happen. I told y'all
this is gonna happen. A federal judge in California is
now permitting Trump prosecutors to reduce the charges against a
deputy sheriff who viciously beat a black woman as she
was recording them stopping someone. This is the bit right here. Okay.

(01:47:01):
This cop was convicted of a felony in an excessive
force case. Well, guess what. US District Judge Stephen Wilson
chose to be gutless and ruled that the newly appointed
US Attorney in La Bill Assali can offer Deputy Trevor
Kirk a misdemeanor plea deal. This decision comes two months

(01:47:28):
after Kirk was convicted by a jury of a felony
for pepper spring and assaulting J. C. Houston and Houston
an unarmed woman responding to an alleged robbery at a
Lancaster supermarket in twenty twenty three. Is Saley's decision to

(01:47:49):
offer Kirk this extremely rare post conviction plea deal led
to the resignation of several federal prosecutors this month. Harders
are now downgraded. Kirk will be able to continue his
career in law enforcement and retain his right to own
a firearm.

Speaker 13 (01:48:10):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
And that's for all the people who said, oh yeah,
ain't no difference between Kamala and Donald. Go ahead, Greg,
you no, I just I just.

Speaker 10 (01:48:23):
I think it's uh. I often will say it's beautiful
and I get misinterpreted. I don't think that I'm not
aware of any society in world history, and God knows,
I don't know all of them, and not even the fraction,
but the ones I know something about. I don't know
any human society where things don't come to a head eventually.

(01:48:46):
You know, when you look at this guy's face, when
you look at his uh, look at his his picture,
he looks exactly as you would expect him to look.
When you look at this clown, BILLAILI, it's the interim
district Attorney. He looks exactly as you would expect him
to look. I think these folk think that we believe

(01:49:09):
in the rule of law to the degree that we
will be willing to sacrifice our lives for that concept.

Speaker 13 (01:49:16):
They're wrong.

Speaker 10 (01:49:17):
I don't wish anything on anyone, but I will say this,
when you continue to push people, ultimately they will push back.
And you know, it's so interesting today, as I said
in Birmingham at the Nationalization of Black County, officials get
to this long conversation around policing, and it's very interesting

(01:49:38):
to hear retired police women policemen talk about the pressures
that police are under. My good friend Tammy Sawyer, You've
been in conversation with who is the clerk there in
Shelby County Municipal clerk talked about the Tyree Nichols case,
of course, that you've talked about many times with the family,
with the lawyers and everyone else. Ultimately, do you know

(01:49:59):
what what group will look at things like this and
be like, you've made us less safe? Think about black
police officers on the force who are trying to do
the right thing, and when this happens, that makes them
less safe. Think about non black police officers who are
racists who think that somehow this will make them emboldened
to do more trot season. Some of them will, but

(01:50:21):
that's why they don't get out of their cars in
Southeast d C at night time. This is why they
don't patrol parts of Harlem and Brooklyn at night. Ultimately,
you're making people who are in law enforcement less safe
with things like this. Effeckless clowns, and so I'm not
happy about that, But I think that ultimately KRMA is
going to work a great deal of this out of
world history teaches us.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Anything, and y'all always got to be real careful when
y'all go places. Because I got eyes and ears everywhere.
Terran County, Texas right there, Fort Worth, Commissioner Elisa Simmons
with Greg. Yeah, and so she sent me this photo

(01:51:00):
them at the conference and so wow, I got eyes
is everywhere.

Speaker 10 (01:51:07):
They were singing your praises all over the conference though, Roland,
and they were singing your praises Brother for real, Saud
to brother Kevin, everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:51:14):
Man. There's so many outpas in there.

Speaker 10 (01:51:15):
But yeah, it was it was a listen seriously, this network.

Speaker 13 (01:51:20):
The importance of this network. I saw it on display today.

Speaker 10 (01:51:22):
These are the officials, the mayor of course of Montgomery
was there, the good good brother.

Speaker 13 (01:51:28):
Stephen Reid, LA County commissioner. I mean, so many people.

Speaker 10 (01:51:32):
At the end of the day, these are the people
who have the most control in terms of government and
the ones who intervened for us. As they were talking
about today, all politics are local. And if I heard
it once, I heard it more times than I can count.
The love, the admiration, the appreciation for the Black Star
Network and for Roland Martin, because you know, that's what's
gonna keep us out of the abyss. It's having our

(01:51:53):
people be in formed. So I'm not surprised. You do
have eyes and ears everywhere, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Well, I just need people to understand, h you know again,
why what we do matters? Uh, and and and we
joke and we have fun and all that sort of stuff.
But I'm telling y'all what is what is what is
a massive failure for us is when we don't have
our own information sources and then we were hoping somebody else,

(01:52:22):
uh can can cover us, and and things along those lines.
And so I just keep trying to tell people that
I'm like, don't like, don't sit here. And what was
also important? Like so for instance, I told y'all we
were talking about we were talking about, you know, what's
what's going on? So this let me let me show
you this here.

Speaker 8 (01:52:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
This this was from CNN dot kind of y'all know,
I rarely ever ever show you anything from CNN. Uh,
but they had a story published yesterday since Walmart, Target
and other companies warned about growing consumer boycotts, and let
me be perfectly clear, uh, the boycott against Target, it
continues that is, we ain't walking in there, we ain't

(01:53:05):
shopping there, we're not shopping online. It's been five months
since Nina Turner's group announced that they were launching the
boycout on February first, they were joined by until Freedom.
March fifth was when passed. Jamal Bryant launched his Target
fast and so this has been going on for five
months now, and so I need people to understand that

(01:53:28):
we are continuing to do that. In April third, nineteen
sixty eight, Doctor King made the comment referencing Reverend Jesse
Jackson Senior, where he said, we need to redistribute the pain.
And that's exactly what we need to be doing, redistributing
the pain for these folks. So if these folks want

(01:53:49):
to practice economic withdrawal from black people, then we should
be practicing economic withdrawal from them. There are other companies
that are going to be targeted. We're going to be
announcing those as well. But let's make perfectly clear, and
that is the boycott against Target is not over. That

(01:54:11):
boycott continues. That has not changed at all. And so
we just need folks to understand. We want y'all to
remain to be vigilant, to be focused in doing that,
because I'm telling y'all it's working. The Target CEO his
salary dropped significantly. All of these things are happening. These

(01:54:35):
things are happening before our very eyes. And so we
just need to understand that these things are happening. So
I just want everybody to understand that, because again we're
putting the pressure on these companies and listen, they can't
live without black dollars. But Black people have to be
wise enough and smart enough to understand that when we don't,

(01:54:59):
when we stop showing up, when we stopped giving them
our money, Uh, then they're going to wake up and
realize that you can't do it out. And so when
you got companies like Verizon pulling back on DEI, when
you got folk others who are doing that, that's what
you are seeing. And it's also important for us to
have allies who when we are in power, to use

(01:55:24):
our power.

Speaker 9 (01:55:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
The Coalition of Trade Black Trade Unionists had their conference
in Florida and they had a panel there and Claude
Cummings out of Houston. He is the leader of the
Communication Workers of America. He was speaking at the conference
and a brother hit me up and said, man, you

(01:55:50):
know Claude uh mentioned you during his remarks.

Speaker 13 (01:55:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
And I was recently in Houston for an event that
as honoring Claude and and and and I want everybody
to understand. This is what black power looks like when
you are in a position of power and you have leverage,
you of influenced, and you make it clear the folk
how you are going to move and operate. Listen to

(01:56:18):
what Claude Cummings said to the Black Trade Unionists in Florida.

Speaker 18 (01:56:23):
I'm committing as the president of c w A that
my money is not going to super PACs anymore. It's
going strictly to organizations that will well, that that will
respect us, because I'm tired of these other groups disrespecting
us by only coming to us in October and expecting
us to help them win the elections when we haven't
had the resources we need.

Speaker 13 (01:56:43):
The work eye groups, simple simple as that. So please.

Speaker 18 (01:56:47):
And also, we're getting our butts kit with these podcasters
and it doesn't make sense that we don't. We can't
convince them. I finally, and I think I think leader too,
President Saunders, them to spend money with Roland Martin.

Speaker 19 (01:57:03):
Roland Roland has a great audience and we have to
force them to give him money to help get out
the vote.

Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
We need to support Roland Martin.

Speaker 18 (01:57:16):
We need to support Mark Thompson and others who have
content and have the ratings to be able to get
into our communities with the mess because we lost the
narrative in this last election cycle.

Speaker 4 (01:57:31):
We lost it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:32):
We absolutely lost it.

Speaker 13 (01:57:34):
Who can get it back?

Speaker 18 (01:57:35):
We can get it back if we spend a resource
in our community.

Speaker 13 (01:57:38):
That's my commentary.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
For the folk. And I know we got a truth
talk starting. We're going to send y'all to them in
just a moment. I need y'all to understand again what
happens when we watch and when we keep watching and
we keep listening and we keep paying attention. Three weeks ago,
YouTube unveil their list of the top one hundred podcasts,

(01:58:06):
and they look at watch time to people how much
time people are paying attention. So it's not views, it's
not well you got all these Vietnam because you may
have a short view. Do understand. We were told point
blank when they grouped all of the so called progressive
podcasts together, we were told point blank that Rolandardin Unfiltered

(01:58:29):
was the number one most listen our watch time. If
you take all these progressive podcasts, Brian Taylor, Cohen, Young Turks,
David pac Men, you can all of them, rolland Maardin
Unfiltered was number one in terms of watch time. People

(01:58:50):
watch us longer than all of those progressive podcasts, all
of them. So what did I tell y'all? Three weeks ago,
YouTube came out with their list of one hundred give
me the Groups a one hundred podcasts. Okay, I came
out with Listen. So when the week, So the first

(01:59:10):
week we were number seventy eight. Second week we came
in at number sixty seven. Yesterday they dropped their new list.
We're now in the top fifty. We're number forty six.

(01:59:32):
So in three weeks we've gone from seventy eight sixty
seven to forty six. We are the only black news
show on the whole list, the other black folk comedy entertainment.
So this is a perfect example. So this is why

(01:59:55):
I keep telling black folks, stop running your ass to
CNN and MSNBC make it announcements. That's right. Stop Stop
stop thinking that you're gonna get more attention if you
run to the New York Times. We are creating black folk,
black owned, and black focused content that speaks to our audience,

(02:00:16):
in our language, in our way, and we don't and
we don't have to apologize for how we present our information,
and so that's where we are right now. And so
all of that energy that we had two hundred and
fifty thousand people watching live on March fourth, and it's
right now it's forty one hundred on YouTube. That means

(02:00:37):
two hundred and forty six thousand people or elsewhere I
need us. If we continue that energy, y'all, we change
the game. And so we just have to recognize that
it's a building process. It doesn't happen overnight. The reality
is Recee's audience today, it's not what it was when

(02:00:58):
they started, But you got to build thing. When they
are now traveling around the country, selling, selling out cities,
it's because you're speaking to people in a way that
they think is important and relevant. At the other folk
not doing And I'm just not interested. And I'm telling y'all,
I have no interest. I get these call from these
other shows. Can you come on now? I want to

(02:01:19):
come on chrise. First of all, I'm not bringing me
to give to bring you a million, two million, three
million views, and I'm getting oh, oh, you're getting attention now.
I'm good. I got enough tension. I got enough tension.
I'm not I'm not building your platform. No, we're gonna
build this platform. And so that's just what our mentality

(02:01:41):
has to be. Final thoughts you start with.

Speaker 15 (02:01:43):
You, well, I wanted to go back to the story
about the deputy. Go ahead, and this is where I
want us to be fucking for real.

Speaker 14 (02:01:52):
The people who were thanking Donald Trump for partoning Larry
Hoover even though he's going to spend one hundred years
in jail under state charges. People who were thanking NBA
young him for partning NBA young boy who was already
going to get out of jail anyway. Please do not
take these pardons as some sort of olive branch to
the black community. What they are is a distraction, a
distraction from them undoing consent, decrease, a distract, a distraction

(02:02:15):
from him pardoning uh a sheriff who was taking bribes
for deputies for hire. It's a distraction from what they're
doing to further indemnify police officers from the terror and
the abuse that they ran on our communities. It's it's
a distraction from them normalizing the militarization of armed officers,
whether they're ICE, HHS, FBI, whatever, the situation on our

(02:02:40):
streets hunting people, and it's a distraction from how they
are over prosecuting people who are on our side.

Speaker 15 (02:02:48):
So do not for.

Speaker 14 (02:02:50):
Any reason think that these little nuggets that they're trying
to do that make all the black little gossip blogs
are about how c they're trying to They're trying to
court the vote, they're trying to court black men.

Speaker 15 (02:03:02):
No, it's pure distraction.

Speaker 14 (02:03:03):
We have to keep our eye on the ball on
how detrimental these policies are and how they are targeting
our community economically, targeting our health, targeting our safety, and
every single facet This administration is hostile to us if
we can even stay in this country because, like we
said earlier, they trying to pack our asses up and
send us to some country in Africa if they can.

Speaker 6 (02:03:26):
Noah, so reci said everything that needed to be said.

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
On that point.

Speaker 6 (02:03:33):
I want to follow up about the power of your
show and the power of black media, which you were
definitely leading right now.

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
I mean all jokes aside.

Speaker 6 (02:03:42):
Wherever I go, I've been spending a lot of time
in New York for different speaking events and different things.
I can't tell you the amount of people that stopped
me from being on this show. When I was on
the Capitol the sit in with Speaker Jeffries, Leader Jeffries,
and Senator Corey Booker. The amount of people that knew

(02:04:03):
me from this show. You know, it's the red lips,
the glasses in the hair. They recognize me. And you know,
I am doing a speaker series for the Harvard Black
Alumni about new media, and a large part of that
is because of this show. So I'm incredibly grateful, and
not just for me personally, but for the impact for

(02:04:24):
the black community, because this is a real this is
a real and raw show, you know, like you said,
you know, we joke around, there's hard hitting news, there's analysis,
there's passion. You know, Greg take us to school every
single Thursday. Every single Thursday, Greg is gonna preach. Honey,
he gonna take us all the way to church. We're
gonna learn something new. So this is such an important

(02:04:44):
platform for the community. And I'm just grateful that my
form of analysis and what I offer that people appreciate,
because I know that people are like, you know, there's
this whole thing on Blue Sky. I don't know where
it came from. Where people are like, we're gonna see
if doctor he's gonna cuss tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:05:01):
I don't know why. That's the thing. It's a thing.

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
I don't know why, because is a bad influence. That's why.

Speaker 14 (02:05:08):
Oh everybody cuts in now, I don't know why.

Speaker 15 (02:05:11):
I catch all e congress people cuss. Everybody cuss the people.

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
Like I said, Steve cours for it.

Speaker 8 (02:05:16):
Every time I interview him.

Speaker 6 (02:05:18):
He's like, let's fucking go, every single time, every time.

Speaker 4 (02:05:26):
So I just want to say, Roland, what you do
for the community.

Speaker 6 (02:05:29):
You know, it is so important, and you give so
many different people opportunities that don't have major, major, major,
you know, social media followings. It's about substance. It's about
our expertise and what we can offer. So I just
want to say a heartfelt thank you. I wouldn't have
my own show through the Persist Network a lot of
things because of this show and why you trifling in

(02:05:51):
a whole.

Speaker 4 (02:05:52):
Lot of ways. But I adore you.

Speaker 6 (02:05:55):
I want to say thank you, and I know the
community appreciates it because every time.

Speaker 4 (02:06:00):
I'm out and they see me, they thank you through me.
So thank you.

Speaker 13 (02:06:04):
That's right, trifle.

Speaker 4 (02:06:07):
I did b R I f F I t R
I hell no.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
Hell no, your just spelled covering to goddamn f it's one.

Speaker 7 (02:06:19):
It's two s hell no, no, no, no, that's that's trifling.

Speaker 3 (02:06:25):
No, that's trifling.

Speaker 14 (02:06:28):
No hell no, no, hell.

Speaker 3 (02:06:31):
No, no no, no, don't don't. Don't be mad because
as past spell all them damn all them damn letters
behind your name P A, D, M, D I V
all that ship is no spelling, ass, Go ahead, going,
you're no spelling, no gumbo, no crawfish ass, Greg, go
ahead and take.

Speaker 10 (02:06:50):
Us on the blackest, the absolute. There's nothing blacker than
this exactly that you know, and it's all of you know.
It's funny man, As y'all know, you've heard a story
may times. You know, Roland and I met in an

(02:07:11):
argument and it become the best of friends, and that
drives my h would be revolutionary friends crazy because I
think they have mistaken difference and difference of opinion and
style for not being able to be very close and
being able to work for our liberation.

Speaker 13 (02:07:28):
And I want to thank you as well, Roland. I mean,
you know, being in this.

Speaker 10 (02:07:33):
Space is a is a privilege, is a gift, and
it's a responsibility.

Speaker 13 (02:07:39):
Even as I.

Speaker 10 (02:07:40):
Have still to load up some more black tables, which
I'm I'm committed to that.

Speaker 13 (02:07:45):
I am h.

Speaker 10 (02:07:47):
I realized that, you know, we all don't have to
agree on everything, but we do invest, you know, we
do invest in the liberation of our people. And again,
just sitting there today with with Derek who's the KNAPCO
co chair and Ray Charles Brooks our frat brother both
are who is the chair, the president of NAPCO, Stanley

(02:08:09):
Moore who is the Cook County Commissioner, Steve Reid As
I said that the Mayor of Montgomery, Holly Mitchell, who's
on the LA Board of Supervised, LA County Boarder Supervisor,
and so many others, the REDDA Smith out of Portland.

Speaker 13 (02:08:22):
To a person to see these women and men of
African descent.

Speaker 10 (02:08:26):
Who collectively controlled billions of dollars of resources. I think
about those people who will come on YouTube and go
on social media and snipe at you and say you know,
oh well, you know this is not revolutionary and they
looking boulet.

Speaker 13 (02:08:41):
Here's a message to you.

Speaker 10 (02:08:43):
The people who are fighting for you don't care whether
or not you're going to critique them. They're too busy
trying to get the message out night after night, day
after day, month after month, year after year on this network,
whether it be someone who has been brutalized by law enforcement,
where somebody trying to get the vote out, whether it's

(02:09:05):
somebody who has got a program that they have started
or are intervening at a policy level. One of the
things that we talked about today was how better to
utilize spaces like this.

Speaker 13 (02:09:15):
You know this is a classroom and my injury was right.

Speaker 10 (02:09:18):
You are a teacher, and I know that drives the
purest crazy, the idea logs crazy. Let me be very
here's the final message I want to say to the
purist and the idea logues.

Speaker 13 (02:09:28):
As we fight, we fight for you too.

Speaker 10 (02:09:31):
So I'm sure this is going to be clipped and
probably used for clicks and like somewhere, and guess what,
it's okay because nobody's going to be dissuaded from fighting
for y'all.

Speaker 13 (02:09:39):
So thank you, brother, thank you for everything you do.

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
I appreciate the panel and my message to any of
the people out there who run their mouth, who complain
and critique, build your own shit.

Speaker 20 (02:09:51):
If you think, if you think y'all know, I'm petty.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
If you think I literally.

Speaker 8 (02:10:06):
Just said that.

Speaker 6 (02:10:06):
On Blue Sky, somebody said you messed, y'all said, don't
forget petty.

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
No, I'm petty, I'm king petty. If you think you
all that, and you think that your voice is better
and your thoughts are better, yo, I'm good. Go build
your own shit, you know. And this is real simple, y'all.
The numbers don't lie. If the people think that your

(02:10:30):
voice is better, your ideas are better, they will watch
and they will listen. Yeah they or they won't. So
and I don't. And I tipped to my haters, I said, yo,
y'all watch all them. Y'all watch all them. And I said,
I don't watch them. I don't follow them. I don't
follow them on social media. I don't care what they
have to say. I can name twelve of them right now,

(02:10:50):
but I'm not gonna do that because they ain't getting
free publicity. But again, if you think your shit is better,
by all means, do what I did, put your own
money behind it, and build your shit. And then almost
seven years later, let's see where you're at. Reci Nola, Greg,

(02:11:13):
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