Sen. Padilla Dragged & Detained, LA ICE Raids Tear Families Apart & 2K ‘No Kings’ Protests

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Mate, Folks.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Today's Thursday, June twelve, twenty twenty five, coming up on
Roland Martin UNFILD streaming live of the Black Study Network.
I'm here in Memphis, where I spoke earlier at the
thirty second annual June teenth Freedom Celebration. Here in Memphis, Folks,
craziness happening in this country. Federal agents literally attack a rep,

(00:39):
throwdown and arrest a United States Senator.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Why don't we show you the.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Shocking video of California Senator Alex Prdelia when he was
trying to question the Department of Homeland Security Secretary of
Christy Nome and how he was accosted by federal agents. Boy,
it is unbelievable, and trust me, Democratic senators are angry
and upset, so our House members. Meanwhile, Donald Trump's crack
down in la is tearing black and brown families apart.

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Thousands of troops are there on the ground. You also
have an absolutely outstanding in crazy situation of curfews as well.
We were retired a lieutenant general in the United States
Army will be on the talk about this. Just improper
use of the military. Plus Donald Trump how he turned

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a partisan speech at Fort bragg a speech is Fort
Bragg into really a partisan throwdown. Plus this weekends going down,
the no Kings protest is going to hit some two
thousands cities of across the country as Donald Trump spends
one hundred million dollars on a military parade birthday celebration
under the guise of celebrating two hundred and fifty years
of the United States Army. Folks lost the breakdown in

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Speaker 3 (02:49):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
We repeatedly told you what would happen if Donald Trump
is put back in the Oval office, how he would
abuse his power. Folks, Today in California, federal age literally
literally removed, handcuffed, forcefully removed a sitting United States Senator
from a news conference where Department of Homeland Security Ice

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Barbie Christy Noman was speaking. That center is Alex Padelion Folks.
NBC News Political and National correspondent Jacob Soberoff. He captured
the moment where Padelia was forcefully taken from the room.
Take it to don't play it yet, take it to
the floor in handcuff. Now he was trying to hold on. Second, guys,
Padelia was trying to He was first of all invited

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there for briefing with Nome. He was, he was, he
was speaking, he was he wanted to ask her a question,
and that's when these federal agents did this, hands up,
hands up.

Speaker 9 (03:54):
I'm Senator Alex Padilla.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I have questions for the.

Speaker 10 (03:57):
Secretary because the fact that they man there is Donathan
filing criminals that you're rotating on your I also want.

Speaker 11 (04:06):
To maybe.

Speaker 12 (04:15):
On the ground, on the ground, hands on your back,
hands on your.

Speaker 10 (04:20):
Back, if you good, right behind my back, all right, cool.

Speaker 13 (04:24):
Hand lay late clatt lay flat, other hands at other hand.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
There's no recording loud out here, all right.

Speaker 14 (04:39):
I didn't start recording a loud out here for y right,
So what I'm sorry, there's no recording on.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Here, that's my boss.

Speaker 12 (04:47):
I half, there's no there's no recording.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Then folks, the ice folks lie.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
They put out a statement saying that Padeli you never
I identified himself. You hear him say on the video
he is a United States Senator. Well, after being briefly detained,
La Delia spoke to reporters.

Speaker 10 (05:14):
Over the course the last Over the course of recent weeks,
I several of my colleagues have been asking the Department
of Homeland Security for more information and more answers are
in their increasingly extreme immigration enforcement actions, and we've gotten

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little to no information in response to our inquiries.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
And so I came to the.

Speaker 10 (05:43):
Press conference to hear what she had to say, to
see if I could learn any new additional information. And
at one point I had a question, and I'm emphasized,
just as we've emphasized the right for people to peacefully
protest and to stand up for their First Amendment rights,

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for our fundamental rights. I was there peacefully. At one
point I had a question, and so I began to
ask a question. I was almost immediately forcibly removed from
the room. I was forced to the ground, and I
was handcuffed. I was not arrested, I was not detained.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
I will say this, If.

Speaker 10 (06:32):
This is how this administration responds to a senator with
a question, If this is how the Department of Homeland
Security responds to a Senator with a question, you can.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Only imagine.

Speaker 15 (06:48):
What they're doing to farm workers, to cooks, to day
labors out in the Los Angeles community and throughout California
and throughout the country. We will hold this administration accountable.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
The actions against Senator Foradia unleash Democrats on Capitol Hill.
They were angry, they were fired up, and were shocked
and stunned by the actions.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Mind you, one.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Of these federal agents included an FBI officer.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
It was unbelievable what took place.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
This is New Jersey Senator Corey Bicker Corey Booker on
the United States Senate floor.

Speaker 16 (07:36):
As President, I recognize a Senator from New Jersey.

Speaker 17 (07:40):
I never thought I would imagine having to stand here
and discuss what I saw today. A United States Senator
in his own community, in the city in which he
grew up, elected under the authority of the people, stepping

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forward to get answers to legitimate questions, and we see
him being thrown to the ground after being removed from
a room forcibly and put into handcuffs.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
By multiple people. This to me.

Speaker 17 (08:26):
Is such an abuse of authority. It is a violent act,
and there can be no justification of seeing a senator
forced to their knees, laid flat on the ground, their
hands twisted behind their back, and being put into restraints.

(08:53):
If you see the video at that point, he's not fighting,
he's not pushing. But this is a pattern and a practice.
This is not an isolated incident. I remind people that
in my own community, in the city of Newark, we
had a congresswoman and a mayor at a facility. The

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mayor invited into the gate, the congress people invited into
a conference room, and then the mayor asked to leave,
who did leave, and then numerous agents run out to

(09:38):
arrest that mayor. Now, the judge in this case said
it was outrageous, reprimanded the Trump administration for the arrest
in and of itself. We see time and time again
with this administration trying to precipitate a response by the

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misuse and the abuse of force. This is more akin
to authoritarian governments. When you see a democratic nation having
their executive begin to arrest, mayors begin to arrest, judges
begin to arrest a United States senator who is simply

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asking for answers to their questions, to remove them from
a room, forcibly, to throw them to the ground, to
put them in restraints. This is something that we should
not tolerate. And by we, this is not Democrats and Republicans,
this is we in this body. We have a constitutional

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obligation to provide oversight to the executive, a constitutional obligation
to ask questions, to make inquiries, a constitutional obligation to
check and balance the authority of the executive. And so
here we saw before our eyes a senator in their district,

(11:14):
in their state, asking questions, and we see him being
shoved out of a room. But it did not stop there.
Shoved to the ground, shoved onto his belly, and have
his arms pulled behind his back. This should outrage every
United States senator. This should outrage every United States senator.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
This was Saint Elizabeth Warren as she was headed to
the Senate floor.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Okay, we're going to have that in a second, folks, Folks.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It's absolutely crazy, It's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Let's roll the next video.

Speaker 18 (11:55):
Call it what it is, a disgraceful abuse of power.
Senator Padilla was handcuffed and dragged out of for daring
to ask a question. This wasn't a threat, it's descent
and they crushed it with force. They're not keeping us safe,
They're trying.

Speaker 11 (12:16):
To silence us.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
We won't back down, folks.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
That is Congressman normal tour is. It's just, I mean,
just unbelievable what we're seeing. Not only that we had,
of course again we're gonna show you what sit and
Elizabeth Warren had to say then that you had this
major clash in the house between Congressman Maxwell Frost and
James Comer and that nutcase Modreie Taylor Green. And this

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thing just goes on and on and on, and Republicans
to maasically, how salent the are want to bring my pane.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'm gonna play you something more.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Video got the Greg Card Department of AFO American Studies,
Howard University out of DC. Re Ce Cobert hosted The
rac COVID Show and Creative Hard Game and My tripping
out of DC is a board GI He's a bull.
I a consultant employment specialist out of Houston. Okay, so
we have Greg and receive Greg. Here's the thing here,

(13:13):
receives it is just it is just nuts here nuts.
And when when you talk about an authoritarian regime, that's
what this is. That's what what Donald Trump wants to do.
He wants to amass to powers. He wants to act
like he has total control of every federal law enforcement officer.
They can do what they want. We're gonna talk a

(13:34):
little bit later about the speech that he gave for
the UNI before those troops and for Bragg. How they
think these are my troops, I can do what I want,
and how they even were weeding out people who agreed
with him politically, which is never supposed to happen when
it comes to the military. All of these people who
played around and bs who told us all, y'all shilling

(13:56):
for Democrats, y'all what y'all trying to scare us in
the voting, That man ain't gonna do all of this stuff.
We have Exhibit one thousand, one hundred and sixty eight,
Exhibit one one hundred and sixty nine, and it's just
every single day, and people don't seem to understand this
is what he wants. We're not even at the six

(14:17):
month mark of this idiot second term.

Speaker 11 (14:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, who gonna check him.

Speaker 19 (14:27):
He's proven that everything he wants to do he can do,
and ain't nobody gonna do a damn thing about it.
The reality is that we now have a single branch
of government running the United States, running the federal government,
and that's the authoritarian regime of Donald Trump.

Speaker 11 (14:41):
Republicans who are so hell.

Speaker 19 (14:44):
Bent the other time on duporm and my friend and
my friend cross stile and how people are supposed to
be buttoned up and got a damn thing to say
about a US sitting senator being tackled by federal agents,
and Christy Nauman, hers stupid ass is just sitting upfair
rambling on like this is normal. This is not normal.
And to Senator Padilla's point, if they can act like

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this tour one of one out of one of the
most powerful people in this country, you know they're gonna
cut a whole ass or they already are against every
everyday regular people, and so change one of the Republicans
for their silence. But also, should the Democrats ever manage
to get back in office or for the remainder of

(15:29):
this term. Drop all of that camaraderie bullshit, Drop all
of that my friends across the owl bullshit, and treat them.

Speaker 11 (15:38):
Like how they retreat you.

Speaker 19 (15:40):
They've already deemed Democrats enemies of this regime. Treat them
with the same energy that they're treating you. Maybe we
can get somewhere. Maybe people will start to realize that
Democrats and Republicans are not two sides of the same kind.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Greg this is right here the concern. There were so
many people, and I've heard this from black folks in
media in other spaces. Democrats need to fight back. They
need to be showing up at these places. They need
to be protesting looten. We saw the other day where
they slammed the door in the face of Congresswoman Maxine.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Waters trying to do her job.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
We saw that when Democrats were showing up at federal
offices in Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
We saw it.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Corey Booker mentioned that what happened to Mayor ros Baraka,
what happened to a member of Congress in New Jersey
who they have now indicted as a result, And so
unlike in any other situation, they are using the full
force of the law to go after any dissent, and
so they don't care if you are a House member,

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if you are a mayor, if you're a United States Senator,
if you have a DP.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Not only none, even damn if you're a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Republican Senator Ran Paul is complaining because he's against Trump's
budget bill. Trumps disinvited him to a bipartisan cookout at
the White House. These people are about power and control.
They are defying judicial rulings, they are defying everything. And

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the fundamental problem here is that the people who are
in control of the House Republicans, control of the House
of a Senate Republicans, they are scared to death to
put this.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Man in check.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
They know what he's doing is wrong, but they won't
say a word.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
No, they won't.

Speaker 20 (17:36):
Nothing that is happening is surprising. We knew this is
what they were going to do. Senator Batilla needs to
pursue a legal course of action because they are not
using the law. They are lawless. Christy Noman is a
liar to your DNA. The Department of Homeland Security put

(17:57):
on their website another lie, saying that Senator Padilla disrupted
the conference and let's say that he did. There's a
first amenity United States Contitution. Generally speaking, there is sovereign immunity,
so law enforcement officials is very difficult to sue them
without the government's consent. However, and this is parenthetically why
Senator Padilla back in twenty twenty one introduced the Accountability

(18:18):
for Federal Law Enforcement Act, which would allow an easier
pathway to sue. But he needs to pursue legal action.
Even if he can't file in nineteen eighty three, claim
go to civil court. He certainly needs to claim that
these officers, acting under color of law, assaulted him and
let the process work its way out what they cannot do.

(18:41):
I agree with reci not this my colleague. And Corey
Booker with his hand on his breast, No, no, no, no, no,
no no. Senator shiff had all the base in his
voice when he was holding Trump accountable during.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
The impeachment hearings.

Speaker 20 (19:00):
It's not I'm with Alex No, no, I'm with the law.
And Christy, no, you're not covered by Trump versus the
United States. Your ass going to jail as soon as
these politics flipped. And Stephen Miller, who's driving a great
deal of this Ye're going to jail too. Finally, we
have to be clear about the fact, just as Rasparaka
is suing Alena Hababa in New Jersey, the interim state's

(19:22):
attorney just a federal attorney in New Jersey. You need
to go to court and fight these people. They don't
have that kind of muscle. That snot knows punk. Kevin Roberts,
doctor Roberts, one of the quarterbacks of Project twenty twenty five,
said famously, as you reported and as we talked about
last year, that this revolution would be non violent if
the left allows it to be.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, guess what.

Speaker 20 (19:44):
No amount of peaceful protest, no amount of acquiescence is
going to stop this. They are lawless and it's time
to rain these rabbit dogs in and cenator for DNA
needs to go to court.

Speaker 11 (19:56):
Roland, can I have one mark there with folks? This
all this over, Christy funky ass.

Speaker 19 (20:03):
No, this wasn't like the State of the Union and
uh Padilla was bum rushing the stage. This was a
press conference with a low level cabinet secretary in a
local area. This isn't even a federal building. And this
is the extreme escalation of violence. This wasn't just a

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disapportionate response for because they're just jacked up. It's because
they're trying to send a message, particularly to Democrats, that
none of you are going to do a damn thing
about anything that they want to do, because this is
just so extreme over Like I said, this is a
low level person. This isn't nobody high upon if it

(20:47):
wasn't like it was JD.

Speaker 11 (20:48):
Vance or the Pope or something up there.

Speaker 19 (20:50):
So the way that they feel so comfortable right now
you have military people yelling partisan things. They really are
feeling themselves and smelling themselves right now. And unfortunately there's
no organized effort I'm on the Democratic elected side to
make them have any fear about doing these things.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Folks, this is Los Angeles. Mary Karen Baz with her reaction, lie.

Speaker 21 (21:23):
And I just have to say, I served with the Secretary.

Speaker 22 (21:26):
I served with the Secretary for probably about ten years
in Congress, and Madam Secretary, I do not recognize you anymore.
I do not know Christino that I served with for
ten years.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Again, absolutely unbelievable. We talked about Sir Elizabeth Warren again
she I think it looks like she was going to
a parking garage when this video played.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
When she recorded this video.

Speaker 14 (22:00):
Senator Paedia, that's pushed, shoved, thrown to the handcuffed because
he is asking questions, because he is engaging in the
very oversight that senators are supposed to engage in. The
one we're really talking about here is a Trump administration

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that just wants to shut down the ordinary functions of government. Look,
I do a lot of oversight myself. I ask a
lot of questions because that's how it works in a democracy.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
We use our.

Speaker 14 (22:34):
Words to hold people accountable. We don't use our fists,
we don't shove, we don't try to knock people down.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
We use our words.

Speaker 14 (22:43):
That's what oversight is all about. And that's when I
want to go to the floor of the Senator to
talk about. I think it is time for every senator,
every member of Congress, Democrat or Republican, to stand up
and say what Donald Trump has.

Speaker 11 (22:55):
Done is wrong.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
They just got also chippy and the US House where
Congresswoman Maxwell Frost, James Comer, and Major Taylor Green they
went at.

Speaker 23 (23:08):
It, mister nanimous content requestsmus content requests and to your
record a NBC article, Senator Alex Badia removed from news
conference with Homeland Security Secretary.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Nome without objection to order.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I have another one of.

Speaker 23 (23:25):
The Hill article Padilla Forcibly removed from Nome press.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Conference with that objection to order.

Speaker 23 (23:30):
And I have a third one Axios. Democratic Senator Forcibly
removed from DHS.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Press conference with objection to orders.

Speaker 23 (23:35):
Mister chair, also, we were just talking about this. I
want to know if you can commit to working with
us so we can order recognized.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I have a point. I have a point of order. No,
I have a point of order. State your point. We
need to subpoena. That's chair recognized this point. We talked.
Thank you, thank you, mister chairman. Reclaiming my time, reclaiming.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
The ground, reclaiming my time and hand.

Speaker 18 (24:02):
In his own Democrats can't follow the rules, can't follow.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
The rules, can't follow the subpoena. Christine. We recognized.

Speaker 18 (24:15):
Privilege, so that means were in charge, just not your side.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
We're going to start.

Speaker 24 (24:23):
You have anything of our.

Speaker 21 (24:25):
Country, my time, you commit on the records, Chairman.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Thanks Chairman, you're had order.

Speaker 23 (24:34):
Chair recognizable your commit on the right subpoena Christinome because
a U S Senator was just thrown to the ground
and detained in his.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Own follow the law.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
William to shut up.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
No, you don't know. You're not gonna tell me to
shut up.

Speaker 24 (24:51):
Let's what you get.

Speaker 9 (24:53):
Order.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
You not like that. He has been out of order
six times. He's trying to get away this. You say,
you probably not somebody.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Off a former order.

Speaker 9 (25:10):
He's a member.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
Mister chairman, you got surprise.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Who's a former member?

Speaker 9 (25:15):
Me?

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (25:17):
You.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I asked that these words be taken down. No, miss Green,
thank you.

Speaker 16 (25:22):
Thank you, mister chairman.

Speaker 11 (25:24):
The governor is recogn you stated that you're a proud Democrat,
proud registered.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
We got to suspend. There's been a parliamentary they said
they weren't going to do that.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
That idiot literally said you're ANTIFA member. Okay, white supremacist
or g joins us.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Look what you're seeing here's award is this level of
craziness republican. First of all, how insane is to hear
Magree Taylor Green say Democrats don't want to filew the
law when that's what this administration's constantly doing breaking the law.

Speaker 19 (26:04):
Definitely, it's like it's a lack of respect, and you
can see the lack of respect.

Speaker 11 (26:10):
No order what's followed.

Speaker 19 (26:12):
They are just throwing words, screaming, removing people.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
They have no level of de quorum.

Speaker 19 (26:20):
And they can say all day that it's the Democrats
that are not following the rules or the Democrats that are.

Speaker 12 (26:25):
Not doing this and not doing that.

Speaker 19 (26:27):
But how can anyone follow rules and so much care
you don't want a person to follow the rules or
have respects.

Speaker 12 (26:34):
We are throwing people out and dragging people out.

Speaker 19 (26:37):
I think that it's just it's a disrespect to our
democracy and to everything that the country is supposed to
stand for.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Again, what we are seeing is sheer craziness, and Republicans
are allowing that. Now you have House Speaker Mike Johnson
not condemning the actions of these federal officers. He's saying
that Congress's censure Senator Padelion. These people literally are crazy.

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And this is what happens when you put the power
of the White House, the House, in the Senate and
the party of deranged maga Republicans. Folks gonna go to break,
we come back. Donald Trump spoke this week at Fort Bragg, Oh.
It was a political rally in front of federal in
front of federal troops that should never happen. A lot

(27:29):
of people also are saying that this action by sending
troops Los Angeles is the first wave that you're going
to see him do this, and Republican governors in other
states are going to also do it as well. They
want to put army troops, marine troops on the ground

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and undamned believable him.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Critics are complaining about Donald Trump sending federal troops to
Los Angeles to quill protests. California Gunna Gavin Newsom never
ever requested for the troops to come in. That's normally
the protocol where a governor requests National Guard troops.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Trump chose on his own while that happened.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
This week, he went to Ford Bragg where he gave
a shameful and despicable speech where we now know, according
to Military Times, where they literally were casting casting soldiers.
Did not want overweight soldiers to be in the stands
behind him. They wanted soldiers that agreed with the political
ideology of Donald Trump. And during that speech, he was

(32:19):
ripping President Biden, he was ripping the media, and you
heard the cheering of these troops. Folks. In this country,
the military is not used as political props. But the
draft dodger, mister bone Spurs, the man who also didn't

(32:39):
have the courage to go see the grave sites of
American soldiers, a man who is called soldiers that are
given their lives for this country losers.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
That's this individual right here.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
The actions that he is taking is something that we
have not seen ever before. But again, we told people
this was going to happen, and folks did not.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Listen to us.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
A number of military members, commanders who are still serving
are quietly pushing back. Many were highly critical of what
happened this week at Fort Bragg. They see also what's
happening right now Los Angeles. It's not good. But the
problem is we know that under this administration, under this
joke of a Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseath, and if any

(33:33):
one of those generals or commanders, if they go public,
they're going to be fired. It's going to happen. And
so to give us a sense of what is being
talked about in the military community, we're joined right now
by retired US Army Brigadier General Arnold Gordon Brave from
Rocky Mountain, North Carolina. Glad to have you on the show.

(33:53):
Fret let this just give our folks the sense you
are listened. Once in the military, always in the military.
I've been corresponding with other retired generals and others and
members of the military, individuals who who may be Republican,

(34:14):
individuals who may be conservative. They are shocked by what
they're seeing and how Donald Trump is frankly pipping the
US military for his purposes.

Speaker 9 (34:30):
Well, first of all, thank you very much. It's appalling,
And to be very candid, I don't think that the
folks who are have the uniform zone, whether we're in
the uniform, they really should not be speaking out because
one that's almost like a peremptive strike against something that

(34:51):
they don't know for a fact, to be either illegal
or in moral. Yet, the driving idea, the separation of
the military from the civilian force, is called this thing
called pot coma tatis. It puts the civilians in charge

(35:12):
of us. In fact, I love Ronald Dellon's rest in peace.
He a far marine, made the statement to General Sullivan
when he retired that he was going to become the
most powerful member in America when he retired, because the
civilian force does command the military. That's fair and that's

(35:35):
how it should be. At the same time, we are
not the interface, and there are multiple reasons why we
should not interface in a direct way. You know, a
big U from the form of the Cups talked about
how he wants to make sure that we don't put people.
He used the word homies. We don't want homies trying

(35:56):
to run other homies. It's hard. And similarly, what you
don't want to have is you're civilians who've now been trained, Army,
Marine Corps, Space Force, Air Force, Navy now trained, coming
back in with their own ideology and trying to run
the neighborhoods or under somebody else's leadership running it with

(36:17):
that kind of training. That's part one. The other thing
is is that our job is to fight and win
the nation's wars. You don't want someone whose job is
to get into that zone, identify a threat, making an enemy,
and to be fair, kill it and win, kill him
or hurt and win. That's a mindset. And so what

(36:40):
we have to make sure that we don't do is
let someone who takes this collective weapon and use it
against civilians because that's not their job. You know, God
blessed the guys who put the uniform zone as policemen
and sheriffs because they have learned and over time how

(37:01):
to de escalate. That's what government k Newsome. He's seen
riots before. His people have seen riots before, and they
know how to first of.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
All, first, first of all, to your general, to your point,
the the the the the police chief of the l
a p D has said, no, we did not request troops.
This has not risen to the level where we need that.
He also has been critical by saying that, uh, the

(37:34):
actions even now the troops, well, the federal law enforcement
officers them firing tear gas has made their job easier.
The NYPD has said the same thing. And what both
what they said is these federal agents they aren't trained
in that. That's not what they do, and they're like,
lead that.

Speaker 9 (37:53):
Stuff up to us. Yes, you know, you know how
to manage it. You know how to deal with people.
You know, the Savilian law, the civille law enforces their practice.
They've walked into houses into the hood whereby they walked
between a husband and a wife who have weapons in

(38:15):
their hands, and they know how to de escalate that
peace and then they know how to isolate. We do
that in foreign countries and we practice it, and to
be fair, as a paratrooper, I had a little more
experience doing it. But at the same time, I'm going
to tell you my guys were trained to break things

(38:37):
and kill people. You don't want to do that. You
want to bring them in. And so when you start
to try to take these weapons these people whose mindset
is designed to do something different, especially if you don't
have any time to transition them to be able to
de escalate their warrior skills. Know, when the bridge go

(39:02):
up into Northern Ireland, there's a transition period that they
make them go through and rehearse both the reaction. We
were doing that when we were in that period of
operations other than war in the late nineties, we would
send people through training processes. We keep forgetting that if
you take a soldier Seila Emma Marine and put him

(39:25):
in front of in front of sivilians, if that civilian
responds to him, he first becomes just a threat, then
he becomes an enemy. That's the last thing wanting this nation.
That's the last thing wanting this nation. You know, Senator,
I mean Chairman Kane, who's our current chairman Joint Thiefs.

(39:48):
He is the only personal active duty that really has
stepped up to and by the way, that's his job
to interface between the civilian and the military's that's his
job to advise. And he clearly advised in a letter
to the president that you cannot politicize our military because

(40:09):
he saw that the danger in it, similar to Mark
Milly when they watched that it's great that we have
that kind of leadership still in the uniform that says
you're going to a different level. You can't bring our
forces like that. You know, a young marine had indicated
that he would be not so kind to anyone who

(40:32):
sped on him. And see, on the surface, you think
that's just that young marine, but that marine is part
of the Marine Corps. He is a friend and after
contact soldiers, sailors and marie, we fight for each other.

(40:53):
You can this thing can can evolve and devolve into
something that we don't want it to be the nil
one of the heads.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
So here's so general, so so general.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
The thing that I that again that people have to
understand and Trump officials that they do this when they
say Trump's military, Trump's Army, Trump's Marines, No they're not.
And presidents are very careful to understand when their language

(41:28):
because they understand that even though that person is the
commander in chief, there is a hierarchy, there's a chain
of command that that the military cannot be seen as
being used for partisan purposes. That the military does not
identify as blue or red, Democrat or Republican. The military

(41:53):
is about being serving the American people. And but what
you have here, you literally have, uh you know Pete
Hegseth walking around. I you know, I served in combat.
I know more about this than all of you. And
they are they are taking a wrecking ball to so
many firewalls in the Pentagon. And what you do I mean,

(42:18):
the first time you literally had a wall there, you
had individuals who said, no, we can't.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
A lot of these things to happen. That wall doesn't exist. Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
There now is a straight line from whatever is going
through the mind of that idiot Trump right through decisions
made at the Pentagon. And so when you're talking to
your fellow retired army officers and other members of the military,
what are they saying with what they are witnessing right now?

Speaker 9 (42:51):
Ye? First of all, I'm reluctant to really call the
commander in chief any names and we can do that
because but the reality.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Is is that you know, yeah I can, Yeah, I can,
you can.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
You can. We're all service and to that end, right now,
what you have is you have the retirees and the
active force their conversation, but they're looking at it literally
through the lens of service and making sure that we're
able to ultimately be able to do the things that
we're asked to. You asked to fight and win the
nation's war. That's why you maintain an army. We don't.

(43:25):
Nations don't disagree because they maintain armies. They maintain armies
because they disagree. And if you start to make it
so that our military is now assigned to or believe
that they follow the orders of the President of the
United States, that's the oath that you take when you
first join the oath you take the moment you hit

(43:46):
from sergeant own up. It is clearly to the Constitution.
In fact, even the Senators and congressmen take that off.
It's to the Constitution, and Congress has a responsibility to
actually raise the army, to get the army and prepare
it for its use. The unfortunate piece that I don't

(44:11):
think even our forefathers foresaw is that we would have
people who don't even understand all of its uses and
the impacts of it. Because you figure, man, we came,
our leaders were born out of conflict at the time
their writing and I all kind of understood that they
had worked with Washington when they were crafting this thing,

(44:33):
and even the others were diplomats on a large on
a larger scale. They couldn't envision that we'd have someone
who had not fight, had not fought before, someone who
would be selfish. Now that part, I will say without hesitation,

(44:53):
because it's about him, you.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Know, General Jenna, I'll have disagree with you. I'll disagree
with you on this point. They did foresee this, But
what they let also establish were checks and balances. The
problem that we have right now, Okay, you can say
the emoluments clause, you can say all those.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Things that they actually first saw problems.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
The problem that we have here is that there are
no checks and balances.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Historically.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Historically we have had Democrats challenge a Democratic president when
it came to their actions by saying, you're boling in
the United States Constitution. It was Republicans Tennessee Senator Howard
Baker others who made that walk up Pennsylvania Avenue to Nixon, saying.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
So the problem is hold on.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So the only problem here, the only problem we have
right now is we have a Republican party that is
completely capitulated and they will not put this man in check.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
They won't do it.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And Democrats, because they don't control the House or the Senate,
they literally left powerless to do anything. And that's really
where we are. He's ignoring court orders.

Speaker 9 (46:24):
Yeah, we did not disagree on that piece because I
be you've heard me say this, we're the threat with
the vine. What I meant was they didn't have we
didn't foresee somebody who would not understand its implications. And
I apologize that because you're absolutely correct that there are.
That's the threat to entire democracy is that if we
have a person who is not maintained, is not in

(46:45):
check by the judiciary and also the people's represented the legislature.
Your spot on there, and I don't think I don't
think there's pushback, sufficient pushback. As him and I mentioned earlier,
it is the responsibility of Congress to go ahead and

(47:05):
raise and provide those forces, and they and in our
in our wisdom. We did in fact give governors uh
a military element to go ahead and assist. That's the
National Guard came built. And by the way, national Guard
they've also they're twice the citizens. There are folks who
come from the come from the field. They know how

(47:27):
to interface as well, but at a different level. And
that to that end when they when they when they
come into the fight, they should be they you focus
those into protection of infrastructure and let the law enforcement
interface with the people. So there's even there's even kind
of a roll up a format of how you how

(47:49):
you use the different tiers of forces. And to your
point is it's very clear that one our forefathers saw,
they saw a threat that if you ever gave too
much power to one person, one entity. That's why they
separated those parts. And they gave the judiciary the requirement,
the requirement and responsibility to be one co equal and

(48:12):
to to interpret the Constitution and then to issue those
laws to help government. So yeah, you spot on them.
We agree with that. And there are and there there
are many usty albums and also see this in voice
and and you'll see some of them in the paper.
So I mean, they'll make comment, but all of us

(48:35):
are still trying to make sure that one we aren't
part of the problem whereby someone thinks that there's this
there's this shadow force that's evolving and emerging. What we're
trying to do is give our best advice to people
who are in charge, to talk to our leaders and legislature,
try to get some of them to wake up and

(48:55):
push forward. And and by the way, across party lines,
the challenge, the challenge has been put down in the
gauntlet has been thrown down by the money that backs
these representatives. You know, you've got Muscu said basically, and
even though he's split, he's now made up, he's still
backing the horse and tell him and saying if you

(49:19):
go against his what he's decided, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm
gonna do something to you. I'm gonna make sure that
you are a last term whatever you are. That's those
are the other dangers, that's the that's kind of the
back end or the gunpowder in these decisions.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
We talked about.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
You mentioned General Mark Milly, former Joint Chief of Staff leader,
and this was it was a short speech, but this
was his outgoing message that he delivered that still resonates,
and it's most important when it comes to what we

(49:57):
are facing right now. This was a warning that he
gave to the country. Unfortunately, the country did not heed
his warning.

Speaker 31 (50:09):
Listen, I'm deeply honored to have worn the cloth of
this nation for forty three and a half years, and
I'm humbled to have served as the twentieth chairman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But today it's not about
anyone up here on this stage. It's not about the

(50:31):
President the second day of Fance me seq.

Speaker 10 (50:35):
It's not about us.

Speaker 31 (50:37):
It's about something much larger than all of us. It's
about our democracy, it's about our republic. We are unique
among the world's armies. We are unique among the world's militaries.
We don't take an oath to a country. We don't
take an oath to a tribe. We don't take an

(50:57):
oath to a religion. We don't take an oath to
a king or a queen or their tyrant or a dictator.
And we don't take an oath to a wanna be dictator.
We don't take an oath to an individual. We take
an oath to the constitution, and we take an oath
to the idea that as America and we're willing to

(51:17):
die to protect it. Those values and ideas are contained
within the Constitution of the United States of America, which
is the moral north star for all of us who
have the privilege wearing the cloth of our nation. Is
that document that all of us, in uniform, swear to
protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Those

(51:42):
who sacrifice themselves and the altar of freedom in the
last two and a half centuries of this country must
not have done so in vain. The millions wounded in
our nation's wars did not sacrifice their limbs and shed
their blood to see this great experiment democracy perish from

(52:03):
this earth. No, we, the American people, we the American military,
must never turn our back on those that came before us,
and we will never turn our back on the Constitution.
That is our north star. That is who we are,
and that is why we fight. Thank you, and may

(52:25):
God bless our military and make God bless the United
States of America.

Speaker 9 (52:33):
General Miller is a great gap and we worked together.
He actually worked for him for a week before I left.
Good Man, and those aren't words, that's his DNA. You
were going to say something, I'm sorry he is. What
you heard was you heard him articulating what every officer

(52:57):
and for sure every person who's a senior leader has
in their core, which is that commitment to this nation
and to protect those soldiers say thats and the Marine
Coast Guarden and spacemen when they are given and use
the word privilege to command, and I said something earlier.
If you understand it's both a privilege to lead and

(53:19):
command America's sons and daughters. You treat them as precious
as you can, as you make them hard and do
those tough things that very few people are willing to do.
And so if you're going to take care of you're
going to put them in that kind of environment. You're
going to also make sure that one they are treasured

(53:42):
by America's citizens and you're not going to have them
looking at American citizens as less than or something other
than what they are. It's that it's those people is
the idea of the concepts of this nation, those words
that are beautifully in the Constitution, the decoration of Independence.

(54:02):
That's what you're fighting for. That's what we fight for.
And when and when somebody, any one person steps up
to think that they're it and you do my whims,
that's when we break. That's when we break. And to
your to the greater point, there was a clear vision

(54:25):
to protect us from having this from having this kind
of uh breakdown in structure, because that's what we're fighting
for us, we're fighting to protect and so we've got
to treat those soldiers, sailors and maring coach guardsmen and
spacemen so that one they understand that they are not

(54:46):
they are not a political tool against each other, not
political tool against another party. There are a they are
in political weapon for America. Hollis extremely.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Principally my panel, Greg Car, Greg Car, your question.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Thank you Roland, and thank you brother General.

Speaker 20 (55:14):
It's clear at this point that this man has been
having basically political rallies at military events and military installations.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
My question, it's really two part question, very quickly.

Speaker 20 (55:27):
One, what do you expect this Saturday in terms of
what's going on here? I was just left to the
Smithsonian and seeing everything lining up down there. We know
it's not going to be a celebration of the army,
but a celebration of Donald Trump, which of course flies
in the face of exactly what General Miley was talking about.
What are you expecting satity to come out of this
man's mouth with the entire United States Army as a

(55:47):
bass drop staging for his branding exercise.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
And then could you say a word about.

Speaker 20 (55:53):
The duty or the duty of active military to refuse
to carry out un law for orders, because that's clearly
what we're inching towards.

Speaker 9 (56:04):
First of all, I hope, I hope, I hope I
know one that will has to actively refuse an order
that is illegal or a moral, but they have that
requirement to do that they say it's illegal or a moral,
and so I hope that doesn't come to fruition. The
second thing is, I won't try to give you my

(56:27):
vision because it's always dangerous to project what will happen
or what I can tell you a little bit about
what I can. And by the way, June fourteenth is
also my birthday. It's also flag day, and it is
also the Army's birthday. It was to in my mind,
the least of days to celebrate, because it is one

(56:49):
parochial to army if you want to do the flag
and the argument that was made was that we never
celebrate our wars we never celebrate winning war because the
results of war are never final, and no one has
seen the end of war except the dead. Soldiers understand that.

(57:10):
So we celebrate. We celebrate when you see us walking
down the street. We celebrate the fact that we're home,
that we achieved a mission. That's what we did. In
previous times, we weren't celebrating that we won because no
single nation wins these major wars. So this idea that

(57:33):
somehow this is and this is the point that you're asking,
I guess that this is somehow celebration of the military.
It's a farce. It's a farce. It is a celebration
to occur on a birthday. And I expect at some
point in time there will be a birthday celebration that
will be part of this. And that's the thing. In fact,

(57:56):
I even wrote about that a while back. This is
a this he was going to try to do this.
That's this was predictive because it goes to the word
of one of the essential values the army believes in
loyalty due to respects, selfless service, on integrity, and personal courage.
Selfless service is not in his DNA General.

Speaker 19 (58:20):
I'm curious basing your experience, what do you think is
from what we're seeing.

Speaker 11 (58:26):
In terms of cheering and uh seeming support from.

Speaker 19 (58:32):
Trump, how much of that is because of the audience
he's curating versus how much the sentiment is pro Trump
to the point of what you pointed out, their duty
to to to refuse an unlawful or an immoral order.
How much do you think we should be concerned, because

(58:52):
I'm very, very concerned.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
Yeah, at this point I would not be concerned. Yet.
In fact, I was encouraged when I saw the Commander,
the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs fire out a letter
that talked about the depolitization politicization of our military, and

(59:15):
he cautioned that there's a decorum for the reception of
how we treat and listen to the President the commander
in chief when he's talking to the troops. So at
this point I am less concerned. But you have to

(59:38):
understand what he did was it's very little that he's four.
It's the things he's against, and what you are against
allows you to create the kind of anger because that's
a much easier emotion to address what you're against versus

(01:00:03):
what you're for. And he's Unfortunately he knows how to
use those tools. Uh, this will be a parade. It
will come across this this time as pretty inoccurus, not
so not so much other than a parade. And to
most Americans, that's what they think they will see. But

(01:00:25):
the challenge is, it's what third world leaders do You
put your You put your forces out in the hot
sun so they can run out and show them, show
the weapons and things like that. When you when bases
do this, they do it with local communities because they
want the community to know what's in their backyard. And
they always make it family friendly and it's and it's

(01:00:46):
designed so that there's an intimacy between the community and
their basis. This is, this is, this is not one
that this nation needs for its community, for its citizens
of rich law or we don't need it. And uh
right know that most know that.

Speaker 12 (01:01:07):
Zabora, Hi, thank you so much for your service.

Speaker 19 (01:01:13):
We know that black and brown service members are being
deployed into our black and black brown communities.

Speaker 12 (01:01:20):
So I'm going in these communities against their own moral.

Speaker 19 (01:01:24):
Compass or political How do we ensure that military doesn't
it doesn't find our troops to some kind of American
nostop and how do we protect their rights to participation.

Speaker 12 (01:01:40):
In missions that by like.

Speaker 19 (01:01:43):
And the communities that they're coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah, I got about I got about about ninety got
about ninety seconds ago.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
I'll go quickly. You ought to have a little bit
of confidence in the fact that if you do see
those faces, remember there's a consciousness behind them. There's a
consciousness behind them. And you know, it's like they wake
up in the morning. They know who they're dealing with.
And that will be part of the saving grace is

(01:02:12):
that you will see Americans, the full breath of Americans
in those formations, and you are to hope that you
see some black and brown faces in those formations. And
by the way, I encourage cameras to be out all
the time, and I would also encourage you to one

(01:02:32):
do what King did. Don't give anybody a reason to
do something that will become escalatory. If I were a
community leader, I would make sure that one some there's
leadership at all places that do exactly what Jesse and
what Andrew Young did to Martin Luther King Jr. We

(01:02:55):
have a mission, we're protesting, protect each other. Don't give
them a reason to go ahead and declare and show
pictures of us as the aggressor and as the culprit.
That's what I would tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
All right then, General Ray, I appreciate it. Thanks a
bunch for sharing your insight with that audience.

Speaker 9 (01:03:21):
I appreciate you. And again I appreciate your fire. I
appreciate you sending some of the things that most of
us don't and can't say for all lot of reasons,
because you need that fire. It's the same caution that
we always had you King worked well because Malcolm was
on the other end. Thank you all very much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
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Speaker 26 (01:05:43):
In rebuilding family and relationships? What does it look like
for us to be able to have substantive conversations, come
to the table, love on each other and while at
the same time get it all out in the open
so that we can begin a new journey together.

Speaker 29 (01:05:58):
You know, the last thing you want is in the
midst of trying to piece your life back together, for
home to not be a comfortable place.

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Speaker 13 (01:07:05):
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think we ought to drill that in ourselves and move
ahead rather than believing.

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
That I got it.

Speaker 20 (01:07:19):
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Speaker 28 (01:07:26):
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Speaker 11 (01:07:26):
I am Joe Marie Payton, voice of Sugar Mama on
Disney's Louder and Prouder Disney Plus. And I with Roland
Martin on Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Folse.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
They's got a heated in the House Oversight Reform Committee,
and Consulman Jasamine Crockett was in the thick of it,
holding Republic is accountable when it comes to the millions
being spent on immigration in this country. And how they
are wasting tax payer money of what she called political theater.

Speaker 21 (01:08:14):
And thank you so.

Speaker 32 (01:08:15):
Much to our governors. And I want to say I apologize.
I apologize for the abuse that you are facing in
this committee that is supposed to be about waste, fraud
and abuse. And I also apologize for wasting your time
because this is nothing more than political theater. Now again,
this committee is supposed to be about waste, fraud and abuse.
We did not have to have this full creation of

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doze the committee itself.

Speaker 21 (01:08:39):
That is our job.

Speaker 32 (01:08:40):
So what I want to talk about is what something
that the American people may want to know, which is economically,
how is this impacting them, these failed immigration policies that
are only put on so that they can have a show,
because we have a reality show president who seemingly still
believes that this is all about TV instead of lives.

Speaker 21 (01:09:00):
So let me talk about.

Speaker 32 (01:09:02):
Something really quickly because I want to clarify something because
I believe that all of you understand the importance of
something like tourism. Are you aware any of you are
you aware as to whether or not tourism in the
United States is anticipated to decrease to the extent that
we are estimated to lose twelve point five billion dollars
in international vendor spending in just the year twenty twenty five.

Speaker 33 (01:09:28):
I can answer, as the tourism capital of the country.
Oh good, tourism is already down. It is down in
the North Country where the Canadians refuse to come over
because of the hostility toward their country. It's happening in
New York City. It's happening our sporting venture, our theater.
There is a ripple effects throughout our entire economy because
there's a change in attitude that our country that once

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welcome people from all over the world to visit and
recreate and to live here, now.

Speaker 16 (01:09:56):
Feels like a very hostile place to them.

Speaker 33 (01:09:58):
It is going to have an econo an impact on
our bottom line without it out.

Speaker 21 (01:10:02):
So let's talk about it a little bit more so.

Speaker 32 (01:10:04):
I am supposed to have a number of FIFA games
in Dallas, and I am fully anticipating that we are
going to have a problem because I've been receiving phone
calls that people don't feel safe coming here, and it's
not the immigrants, it's this government that is making them
feel unsafe.

Speaker 21 (01:10:18):
But let me also do this because They love to
cherry pick.

Speaker 32 (01:10:21):
They can't find, you know, any one person that has
been killed, and if they've been killed by an immigrant,
then god darn it, every single immigrant is going out
and they are killers, and.

Speaker 21 (01:10:30):
That is the problem.

Speaker 32 (01:10:32):
But they don't want to talk about white supremacy. I
don't know how many hearings we don't have about the
fact that there's been this one immigrant that killed this
one person. And no, I'm not excusing any killings by
them or white supremacists, but they haven't had these hearings.

Speaker 21 (01:10:44):
We didn't have a.

Speaker 32 (01:10:45):
Hearing on Buffalo and what happened there. We didn't have
a hearing on El Paso and what happened there. We
didn't have a hearing on Charleston and what happened there.
So it's interesting that they pick and choose, because it
seems like they love to palle around with the white
supremacists and so they don't want to talk about certain
other things. But economically, I want to make sure that
we're making this point again because I know that Governor Pritsker,

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you were the beneficiary of a lot of things from
the state of Texas, and a lot of people believe
that Republicans are fiscally responsible, but instead they are actually
fisily irresponsible. Because what he spent was a whopping two
hundred and twenty one million dollars transporting people from Texas
to your state. Something tells me that he could have

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done something else with that two hundred and twenty one
million dollars. In addition to that, I know that there's
been some conversations about what's going on in LA, and
they want to say that it's riots because they didn't
want people to keep talking about, say the Epstein files
or whatever other drama was popping off between the President
and his little friend, So they wanted to change the

(01:11:49):
conversation to immigration because they feel like, well, the polling
is in our benefit. But let me tell you something,
if they cared about making sure we were going to
be fishly responsible, they would tell the amayor and people
that it cost them one hundred and thirty four million
dollars to send the National Guard to La for the
quote unquote riots that the governor didn't ask for, nor

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did the mayor of La ask for, and they sent
them over there. And they say that they care about
our service members, yet they sent them and they were
laying on the floor. They did not provide for food.
So I don't know why we would believe that. Number One,
they want to fix this. They don't want to fix
this because the brokenness is a feature, not a flaw,

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of the system, because it is beneficial to them when
it comes to campaigning. If they can't stoke fear, then
why are they going to say, have anybody vote for them,
Because that's what people are doing.

Speaker 21 (01:12:44):
They're voting not a fear.

Speaker 32 (01:12:44):
But Miss Perryman, we know each other a little will
and I know you got a lot agree and it
seems like we all need a lot degrees in here
nowadays to understand the Constitution. So really, briefly, I just
want to make this point. There is a certain person
that was a afforded, say due process. But let's say
if say Donald Trump had been charged with all of

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these cases that he got charged with and four different jurisdictions,
if he wasn't afforded due process, there could have been
a possibility.

Speaker 21 (01:13:13):
That he just would have been locked up and thrown somewhere.

Speaker 16 (01:13:15):
Right, that would be a possibility, and then.

Speaker 32 (01:13:17):
Maybe we wouldn't have a tariff or anything else that
we're dealing with or all the other nonsense. But the
point is he was afforded due process, and regardless of
the political opposition Democrats, Republicans and independence, I thought believe
that due process should be afforded to everybody, even.

Speaker 16 (01:13:34):
Him, Due processes for everyone.

Speaker 32 (01:13:36):
Okay, So the Fifth Amendment doesn't say that it's just
for the people that are Americans.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
It does not.

Speaker 21 (01:13:43):
It says anybody on our.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Sorel for everyone.

Speaker 21 (01:13:46):
Okay, it's pretty simple.

Speaker 32 (01:13:47):
I don't know why we are having issues, but I
think you and I will.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yield well, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Pennsylvania CON's woman Summer League she got in on the
action as well, and and she didn't hold her talk.

Speaker 34 (01:14:03):
It's funny, the lack of decorum that we get people drop.
We do drop the gentlemen act here, oftentimes when attacking
women who aren't able to defend themselves with equal time.
But that's kind of the theme here, right Attacking Americans
are people who are not able to defend themselves, or
at least who Republicans hope can't defend themselves. And that's
what we're seeing essentially in Los Angeles. So I would

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say that this hearing is quite timely. What's happening with
Ice in the military and Los Angeles is terrifying, and
it's directly caused by Trump's policies, and it's cruelty.

Speaker 11 (01:14:33):
It was Trump's over.

Speaker 34 (01:14:34):
Zailous ICE agents who started this specific incident, and now
they want us to get bobbed out and arguing over
the right types of protests, or the right types of way,
or the right way to defend yourself, the mythical perfect type,
so that we could ignore that Trump is the one
who is escalating all of this. Trump is the one
who ordered in thousands of National guardsmen over the objection

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of Governor Newsom, something.

Speaker 11 (01:14:58):
That hasn't been done sincenineteen sixty five.

Speaker 34 (01:15:00):
Trump is the one deploying marines not on an enemy abroad,
but on the American people who are exercising their first
Amendment right in this instance, the only opportunity that they
have to defend themselves against lawless lawmakers who are imposing
cruelty upon them. For a party of so called law

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and order folks, they shore stampeding over people's constitutional rights
and intentionally inciting more chaos or fear, more anxiety, and
increasing the likelihood that people will get hurt In the end,
what's happening in Los Angeles is just one of many
incidents where Trump and his administration have not given a
single down.

Speaker 11 (01:15:40):
About people's safety.

Speaker 34 (01:15:41):
For one, the ICE in DHS agents that are arresting
people in raiding places often don't even have any kind
of uniform or identifying badge. They're masked, and they're in
unmarked cars. Miss Perriman, just briefly, why is it so
dangerous to have mass plane closed ICE agents arresting people.

Speaker 16 (01:16:00):
I'll just thank you, congress Woman for your question.

Speaker 35 (01:16:03):
I'll go back to what I said before that we
know our constitution recognizes and our country recognizes the importance
of trust between local law enforcement, the federal government, and governors.

Speaker 16 (01:16:15):
And what we're seeing here is a breach of trust.

Speaker 35 (01:16:18):
It's an escalation, and it's dangerous for the American people.

Speaker 34 (01:16:24):
Trump said he was only going to go after undocumented criminals,
but that's clearly not the case. Whether through incompetence or
straight up racial profiling, ICE and DHS agents are wrongfully.

Speaker 21 (01:16:35):
Arresting US citizens.

Speaker 34 (01:16:36):
We've talked about it today, and catching these mistakes often
happens too late, after an American citizen has already been
illegally thrown into another country, and Trump's administration is doing
nothing to get them back. These agents are also going
into previously protected spaces as we've discussed, like churches and
schools and hospitals. DHS agents try to get into an

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elementary school by lying that they had the permission from
the parents.

Speaker 21 (01:17:02):
That is a cartoonish level of evil.

Speaker 34 (01:17:05):
I also arrested a Massachusetts high school senior, Marcelo Goo
Maza Silva, on his way to volleyball practice. Governor Walls,
you're a former teacher and coach. Do you think these
kinds of actions create instability for students and do you
worry about increasing anxiety of kids coming to school?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Well, thank you, Congressman.

Speaker 36 (01:17:24):
I certainly do creating that safe environment where our kids
can come and the expectation is to learn, they certainly do.
Once again, there's no reason to use these enforcement actions
at those locations when there are other tools. And I
think again there's false equivalency that we do not want
violent criminals to be to be arrested, detained and go

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through due process.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
We do, but.

Speaker 36 (01:17:49):
Hugely detrimental to educational system. Hugely detrimental to a system
that is dependent on trust and the good will of
everyone in that school system.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
So yeah, it is detrimental, Thank you, Governor Wallase.

Speaker 34 (01:18:03):
He's saying kids getting a wrestler, often being separated from
their families, they're scared, they're alone. An attorney is one
of the few resources they had access to that is now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Being taken away. As well.

Speaker 34 (01:18:12):
The Trump administrations canceled contracts with legal groups that represent
those undocumented children in immigration court. This is going to
force thousands of kids as young as two years old
to represent themselves so very quickly as we're running out
of time, experimid, how's a two year old supposed to
represent themselves in court?

Speaker 35 (01:18:27):
Two year old can't represent it self and court him
or herself in court. And I'll just say that we
are in court every single day seeking to try to
ensure that people have access to legal representation, which, of
course this administration is really seeking to curtail. They're seeking
to ignore due process rights.

Speaker 34 (01:18:45):
I was going to say, would you say that it
is due process if a two year old is left
to represent themselves.

Speaker 35 (01:18:49):
Absolutely, it's a flagrant violation of our constitution.

Speaker 16 (01:18:52):
It's also something that shocks the conscience.

Speaker 21 (01:18:55):
We'll leave it there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Thank you. I go back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
One of the reasons why we like to show the
full five minutes of House members and some of these
Senate hearings, it's because a lot of folks never actually
see or hear Black Caucus members in action. People often
talk about, well, what are they doing. I don't see
them standing up, I don't see them fighting. But these

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things happen. We know the Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett is trying
to become the next ranking member that is the leading
Democrat on this House Overside committee, and so people need
to understand that when we talk about the House and
the Senate, the rules are different, the power is different,
and the reality is you use these hearings to be

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able to put these facts out there so people are
aware of actually what's going on in this country.

Speaker 19 (01:19:53):
Definitely, you can hear it in both of those young ladies,
the way they were able to just talk about how
this is, how wasteful this is. Even in me working
with death kids this summer, trying to teach employment skills.

Speaker 12 (01:20:07):
Their parents are worried.

Speaker 19 (01:20:09):
These ice raise are creating a place where we can
give our students the teams they need so they can
be successful in the future, and they're worried about ice.

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
Raids and how that's going to impact their family.

Speaker 19 (01:20:24):
You're hearing people say, you know, it's not impacting, so
why are we worried about it? When you see kids
and them writing letters and I may not have access
to my previous or I may have to go back
to Mexico or wherever they came from. This is just
so disheartening to have our leaders being on the front line,

(01:20:46):
running after positions that put them in over psych commedies
that will stop some of these things. We are not powerless.
We have to get out, we have to be active.
We have to unify, and we have to fight for
the things that are super important for our for our
future and for a country that has always been built
on so many diverse individuals and diverse groups being in

(01:21:10):
this country. Listening to there, just listening, and she was saying,
it's so important that we identify that we had to
stand up. We can't just be sitting back to fulling
our thumbs while they're running our communities, deshoring our communities
and agitating process that are peaceful.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
You know, recie U, there are a lot of people
I here as some African Americans. Man, this stuff don't
involve us.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
This ain't you know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
We ain't got nothing to do with this year. Folk
had better wake the hell up. I've read this the
last two days, and I know I couldn't wait to
read this for you and Greg uh and that is
Christopher Rufo posted this on his sub stack earlier this week,

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where he said that at the same time as we
saw demonstrated in Portland, Oregon during the George Floyd riots,
the agency should dispatch unmarked vans to follow key agitators
and snatch them from the streets while the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Media are not looking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
The most effective riot control is to take movement leaders
off the field, infiltrate their networks, disrupt the flow of funding,
and roll them up and fell investigations. Denying the left
trained protest leaders now will create a strong precedent for

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the rest of the president's term. If these folks don't
think that they will do this to black activists, they
are out of their minds.

Speaker 19 (01:22:53):
They've been doing it to since you think of the
Black Panther Party and seek in all of these other
organizations that were infiltrated. They've been doing this. This, This
is their game plan. They've always had it, so we.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Can no, no, no, I'm sorry, Well rec go.

Speaker 19 (01:23:14):
Yeah, you know what, It's passed the time of hypothesizing
about what they plan to do. They are already doing it.
These are the people that felt like they didn't go
far enough in squashing the Black Lives Matter protests, so
they are chomping at the bit itching to get black people.
Be very clear about that, and I know that there

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is some sentiment amongst some people not all, that this
is about protesting and well, black people don't get out
there and protests, because that's what they're going to use
as an excuse to wrap you up. Oh no, no, no, no, no,
you don't have to be protesting. You could just be
walking home. There was a lady Yestera. It was a

(01:23:56):
white lady I saw two days ago who was trying
to go to her apartment building who was attacked by
the police.

Speaker 11 (01:24:03):
So as long as these.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
That was a black woman, that was a black woman
from I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
That was a woman from.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Chili who was on vacation with her child, and they
snatched her in New York City and left her daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
There, shredded and held that woman for eight hours. And
hell she was just here.

Speaker 11 (01:24:21):
On vacation, absolutely well.

Speaker 19 (01:24:24):
And we've seen even in it's really racial profiling, but
we've seen were American citizens, military officers who are just
playing clothes at the.

Speaker 11 (01:24:33):
Time who are detained. The reality is you don't.

Speaker 19 (01:24:37):
Want to not just end up in South Sadana Djibouzi,
but you don't want to be in the crosshairs of
beast people at all. And so the presence of forty
eight hundred military personnel under the thumb of Donald Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:24:51):
In any city is a problem.

Speaker 19 (01:24:54):
Greg Abbey, I believe I read going only five thousand
National Guards. But what people are going to be trying
to go to Juneteenth barbecues and shit, do some line dances,
and yet he's going to be.

Speaker 11 (01:25:07):
Sitting all of these military people.

Speaker 19 (01:25:10):
So even if you're not going protest going to the barbecue,
you go into the presence of these forces people black period.
They don't need an actual reason. Your existence is reason
enough for them. And so that's why we're trying to
warn people to stay woke, stay prepared, and stay vigilant.

(01:25:31):
If you don't want to get out there and hold
protest lines to be on the front lines, okay, but
you still need to keep your head on the swivel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Greg These black folks better recognize this ain't just about
this ain't about Latinos, this ain't about migrants. No, these
Terse's point. They are pissed off with what happened with
Black Lives Matter. They're pissed off that it was able
to become the first black protests in American history where

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a majority of American citizens supported.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
And that's why they attacked.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
That's why the right wing media attacked Black Lives Matter
with everything they had in twenty twenty one. They attack
critical race theory of twenty twenty two, they attack woke
in twenty twenty three, they attack DEI in twenty twenty four.
They are absolutely angry with what I call the Third
Reconstruction and they said, oh no, we are going to

(01:26:32):
destroy this. Y'all ain't black folks, You negroes ain't having
no footprint ever.

Speaker 20 (01:26:39):
Again, that's their dream, It's a it's a dying dream.
This is their death rattle, and like many trapped animals,
they are the most dangerous when they are facing their end.
The strongest and only consistent diversity, equity and inclusion grouping

(01:27:00):
in the history of the United States of America's whiteness.
The dei intellectual Christopher Ruffo, who if he were a
black man would not be writing or talking about anything,
But because he is a white man and a white nationalist,
he's promoted and platformed to talk about things he doesn't understand.

(01:27:21):
Is giving voice to their fantasy. It's a dying fantasy,
but in its death nail, in its death rattle, it
is perhaps it's most dangerous. I spent yesterday in New
York at the Schomberg Center testifying before the New York
State Reparations Commission. I was there last year when Governor Hokle,

(01:27:44):
who we saw testifying today there in Congress, signed the
billing of legislation creating the study Commission in New York.
And as I anticipated, I wrote my remarks fully anticipating
that I would be shouted at from the audience, from
the descendants of slaves crowd, which they did.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
I kind of smile.

Speaker 20 (01:28:04):
This recorded us out there in New York State website,
and you'll see me kind of chuckle and say, I'm
here for all the smoke, all the baby smoke, but
I bring it up for this reason. Afterwards, I had
a long conversation standing outside the Schomberg one hundred thirty
fifth and in Malcolm X with many of these folks,
these freedmen, these ad hos folk who I embraced because

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I understand the pain that they're speaking from. But as
we had the conversation, which was very amicable, and you know,
because we're talking with the spirit of generosity, we all
want the same thing. But what melted away from them
was any logic connected with this black face nativism. The idea,

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in New York City, of all places, that you could
somehow separate yourself from the multi ethnic, multicultural polyglot that
is New York City and stand on the other side
opposite people who are in harm's way exactly like you,
and who, to your point, are in harm's way exactly
like them, is absurd on its face, and their arguments
melted away.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
I sent all that as a backdrop to this.

Speaker 20 (01:29:10):
That House Oversight Committee, which is run by another DEI politician,
James Comer, who if he were a black man, would
be excoriated widely.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
For being as stupid as he is.

Speaker 20 (01:29:21):
And of course the congress woman from WrestleMania, Macho's Man
Savage from Georgia I mean Marjorie Taylor Green from Georgia,
another DEI politician, if she were a black woman, would
be widely excoriated when we saw Summer Lee and Jasmine
Crockett do what they are going to do increasingly, and
Maxwell Frost on that committee which is assumed leadership in

(01:29:42):
a democratic party, who is still nursing the fantasy that
you can make peace with these white nationalist which means
they are soft white nationalist.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
It's coming down to this.

Speaker 20 (01:29:52):
We will embrace the politics of solidarity, regardless that people
want to throw up, well, this person, unlike this person,
this group said this about this, but you know what
later for that, because these people are in the streets
trying to act as if they can sustain this bullying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
They're bullies.

Speaker 20 (01:30:09):
You know what you do with a bully, You put
them dead ass in the mouth and politically organizing in
the courts and they will fold like the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Cheap DEI suits they are.

Speaker 20 (01:30:19):
But at this moment, this is not the moment to
talk about my friend, my colleague, This is not the
moment to turn your back on other people because they're
sending these punk ass jack booty thugs like them, three
undersized boys that tried to tackle Alex Padia and expecting
us to respond with or I know Saturday is going

(01:30:40):
to be a showdown friends, Roland, and I'm recing everybody.
I mean, I'm saying this is more of all of us.
It's not going to be nice Sunday afternoon downtown Washington,
DC on the mall. And we may be talking about
a very different conversation on Saturday night and so and
then when you come back with the show on Monday,

(01:31:03):
then we are having right now because they understand one
thing if they don't understand anything else. We live in
a society where people are not paying attention. It's a
mean culture. They're not studying. And so when you show Lee,
when you show Jasmine Crockett testifying, you have to the
reason you do that so much is because people are

(01:31:24):
not paying attention, and they will tell you straight to
your face that they're not doing what they are doing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
It's the time for us to be serious now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
And if people understand something.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
When reci made the point about Greg Abbott and the troops,
so what apps. So the protests that are going to
be happening this weekend all across the country, some two
thousand are planned well. Uh Lena Hidalgo, who is the
Harris County Judge Latina, said, I don't need your troops.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
We can handle protest.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Remember what Governor Greg Abbott did when there were protests
on the campus of the University of Texas. He sent
Texas Department of Safety state troopers. Remember days they were
pushing and shoving in riot gear. So what they want
to do is they absolutely want to intimidate protesters.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
But here's why the protests are working.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Received Governor Gavin Newsen talked about this here where they
were raiding all of those fields in California, chasing folks out.
They arrested this one man and one woman stranding their child.
Child has no other family in the country. What did
Trump do today in an Oval office? Pull back on

(01:32:58):
the rating of the fields.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
You know why ain't no workers?

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Oh, who's gonna pick crops?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
So and so Newsome did a video he said, keep
the protest up is working, but do it peacefully.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
And that's the deal. The only the way you combat.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
These thugs is you have to unleash massive protests nationwide.
If you start blocking and shutting down Wall Street and
highways and all sorts of different things. These people have
to see a full force and I absolutely hope that

(01:33:41):
this Latinos.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Y'all just got y'all wake up call.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
All y'all crying ass Cubans who voted for Trump, now
y'all sharing all these tears.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
This is not what we voted for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yes, it is all of them Venezuelans in Florida who
back back Trump. Y'all were making songs and singing this
is their wake up call.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
And let's see if they go woke reci.

Speaker 11 (01:34:12):
You know, I said it before.

Speaker 19 (01:34:15):
It's the call if everybody gets one, everybody given a
record call and get a draged by Donald Trump. So
the reality is this, they have to step up. They
have considerable political power. To be fair, a majority of
Latinos did vote for Kamala Harris. They did not vote
for this. I know that everybody is trying to flip

(01:34:37):
the numbers now and say, well, this is what you wanted.
There are certain demographics within the Latto Latino community, particularly
Cubans who were some part of Trump, but most like
especially in Los Angeles, part a Vice President Common Harry,
So they do not vote for it. But the reality
is we are seeing not when they get activated that

(01:34:58):
they can.

Speaker 11 (01:34:59):
Change, if they can change the conversation.

Speaker 12 (01:35:01):
I'm a Kelly.

Speaker 19 (01:35:03):
I grew up in Kelly, organized many times in California
when that community was under a sault, and so I
want everybody.

Speaker 11 (01:35:13):
To the fight because it is going.

Speaker 12 (01:35:15):
To take.

Speaker 19 (01:35:17):
This cannot wait until twenty when the next elections happened.
If we have this is always going to be resolved
through some sort of civil disobedience, through some sort of
mass movement. And I applaud everybody who's out there who
is putting their selves on the line, who is helping organize,
whether it's behind the scenes or in front of the scenes,

(01:35:38):
because we have to send the message that we are
not going to go down without a fight. And if
we can do that peacefully, even better. Because the reality
is the wrong people got.

Speaker 11 (01:35:51):
The most guns in this country.

Speaker 19 (01:35:53):
Okay, because the last I checked, we ain't got too
many black militias, Latino militias and shit.

Speaker 11 (01:35:57):
All that's on the Republican mcacrazy ass side and most places.

Speaker 19 (01:36:01):
And so yeah, less as long as we try to
put some fear in them through non violent protests.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Greg matter of fact, uh, the give me one second,
let me go get this book. So I want to
show y'all this year I was we actually had this
sister of the show. So when I spoke today at
the thirty second annual June teen celebration, a sister came
up to me, uh and she said, hey, you noticed, professor.

(01:36:34):
She wanted me to give you this book and.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
This this is perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Let me just show y'all this year, just hold on.
Her name is Gloria Brown Marshall. She's a new book out.
We're going to be uh doing an interview with her.
Trust me, none of this was planned. I'm gonna be
doing an interview with her. So a young lady came
up to me today and handed me this book, and

(01:37:01):
it's it's perfect timing. The book is called a Protest
History of the United States, and she lays out it
says here, protest is primal and multifaceted. In a Protest
History of the United States, Gloria J. Brown Marshall shines
a bright light on listen nation's past and present, revealing

(01:37:23):
protest crucial role.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
That there's a reason, greg it was called the First Amendment.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
That's a reason, the right to assembly, the freedom of expression.
There is a reason it is in the First Amendment,
and these right wingers they adore the second. They can't
stay in the first except when they want to protest

(01:37:54):
or when they want to lead the insurrection. On January sixth,
absolutely he signed it brulyand no, no, no, so Gloria,
Gloria wasn't there, so she gave it to a young lady.
She came up to me after my speech. She said, hey,
she wanted you to have this. She's building your show
before and I was like, all right, cool, So she

(01:38:16):
handed me the book is frit like literally.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Off the presses. The book.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
It went on sale April twenty second, and so it says,
this comprehensive history traverses over four centuries of American descent,
weaving together legal analysis, historical documentation, personal memoir, interviews with
those who have taken a stand.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
And I just think that look where we are right now.
It's real simple.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
This is how we fight back against these fascists and
these thugs of Donald Trump, Stephen Miller, Tom Holman, and others.

Speaker 20 (01:38:55):
Absolutely, the reason the reason I asked you is because
I was hoping maybe I would get the chance to
see my colleague Gloria Brown Marshall last night.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
She's at John J.

Speaker 20 (01:39:06):
Course, Professor of Constitutional Law and africand of Stays at
John J.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
College.

Speaker 20 (01:39:10):
And I would have, if I had thought about it
in advance, I would have stuck my copy of the
book in my bag.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
You already got that book, brother, so now that means
you can keep that one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
I know, I know you anyway.

Speaker 20 (01:39:26):
Yeah, this is not Jane Elliott pulling a trade book
out of her bag, as if that's a book that
I would have had immediate I did eventually get that book,
but this is a different kind of book. And to
your point, particularly the chapter where she writes what to
the slaves the fourth July dealing with Frederick Douglas.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
First of all, we've been here before, as we know,
and not exactly this way.

Speaker 20 (01:39:44):
But if fred Douglas and Ida Wells, if Harriet Tubman
and Mariah Stewart and David Walker could face down the
situations they face down, certainly we can do no less here.
But you're raising Roland. I think again, spot on as
always here in this space.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
That we have to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
While we've been on the air.

Speaker 20 (01:40:04):
Stephen Bryer's younger brother, Charles Bryer, has been in district
court in San Francisco, giving holy hell to the government's
lawyers around this question of whether or not Trump can
deploy a federalized take over the National Guard. Haven't even
gotten to the issue of whether you can send active
duty military in.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
And you heard the General talk about posse commatitis.

Speaker 9 (01:40:27):
You can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
It's not going to last.

Speaker 20 (01:40:29):
But when Judge Briar, as we've been on the air
said during the arguments, you know I'm tracking and it's
coming through, and I know you're tracking as well, he said,
that's not.

Speaker 9 (01:40:37):
Where we live.

Speaker 20 (01:40:39):
We live in response to a monarch. This country was
founded in response to the monarch. He said, the Constitution
is a document of limitations. They're going to bump up
against the full confrontation with the Constitution. And of course,
as we heard General Miley say, the military take over
to defend the Constitution of the United States, not a person,

(01:40:59):
not even the country. And it comes down to this
very serious confrontation that's going to test whether or not
there will be a country that continues. When we saw
Tim Wallas from Minnesota, when we saw JB. Pritzker from Illinois,
we saw Kathy Hogal from New York. When we hear
Gavin Newsom from California. What is going to be tested
is the concept of federalism. When Gavin Newsom says, maybe

(01:41:23):
we should just stop paying taxes and at that point,
the hillbilly hoarde in Missouri where they've now decided to
send their troops out, the hillbilly hoard in Mississippi and Alabama,
and they're going to be in trouble. Why because y'all
are all welfare recipients in those states from the people
like New York, like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Illinois, like Minnesota.

Speaker 20 (01:41:42):
Certainly California one of the largest economies in the world
if you took it out of the United States, and
Canada is saying allow California, come on with us, come
to death Row. We might be looking at the heating
up of what has been a cold civil war since
the end of the.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Hot one in the eighteen sixties. But guess what.

Speaker 20 (01:42:02):
It was going to come down to this anyway, this
no more kings protest all these cities and counting is
only going to get larger.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
You know what beats back fascism, the people.

Speaker 20 (01:42:16):
The most powerful element in the history of humanity is humanity.
So I don't care whether you're adous and saying that
these people don't have anything to do with us. I
don't care if you would be radicals who want to
say that, if you're not ideologically aligned with me one
hundred and ten percent, I'm not going to organize with you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
It's time to put aside.

Speaker 20 (01:42:34):
All those things and understand we are facing a real
fascist threat that we can overwhelm. And the good sister
Gloria Brown Marshall gives us a map of how every
time fascism has read its ugly face, the people have
risen up to oppose it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
And that's the only reason we can have a conversation
we're having today.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
It is the only reason.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
And what we have to understand is that we can
never ever forget our history. Sixty two years ago on
this day, Metgar Evers, the leader of the NAACP Mississippi,
was assassinated in his driveway, his wife, Early Evers, having

(01:43:25):
to witness him dying in her arms, his children having
to witness that. And here we are, sixty two years later,
having to witness these Trump idiots try to strip his
name from a navy vessel. Pete HeiG Seth had announced

(01:43:49):
they were removing the names of eight there were eight
vessels named after activists, among them Caesar Chavez, Harvey Milk,
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Harry A.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Tutman, uh and HEG. Saith wants to rebrand these against
vocalness and diversity. Now let's let's be real here, Let's
be real clear.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
This is the same man who served in the army,
Meca Evers. Well, this is the second time they've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Now, remember they removed his name from the website at
their Alter National Cemetery, which featured a section on the
African Americans and fought in wars. Now they had to
restore that because they got they get attacked. This is
what Reena Evers Everett said. Renaming the us NS megro
Everas is not only malicious, it is despicable. As my

(01:44:44):
mother said, this is an injustice to a man who
fought for his country both at home and abroad.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Again, what they're angry about.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
They don't want this story of these freedom fighters to
be told. Even the little games they're playing with renamed
restoring the Confederate names of the military basis Donald Trump's actions.
But what they're doing is they are finding the same

(01:45:15):
names of other plea people suppressions of Fort Robert E. Lee,
that they went and found a black private whose last
name is Lee because they are hell bent on it
still being called Fort Lee. So they're looking around for
same names. They're calling through military records and trying to
do that. These people are just idiots. Reci they are idiots.

(01:45:41):
But I need everybody watching to understand this is not
a game. Project twenty twenty five is what I call
a one hundred year document.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
It is a document.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
It is an agenda that they want to lock down
and ram through because when this nation becomes a nation
that's majority people of color in twenty forty three, and
what the dwindling birth rates of white people in this country,

(01:46:20):
what these fascists today desperately want is they want.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
America never to look like South Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
They're like, no, oh, no, y'all ain't about to us.
We white folks have rewritten the history of this written.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
We've written this.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Country in a way for us. I talk about when
I went off on the History Channel and that bullshit
docuseries where they kept talking about Texas independence and never
mentioned what they were trying to be independent of, which
is they wanted to keep slavery these people have written
history in their own minds, and their whole deal is

(01:47:06):
if we can strip this nation bear, I mean stripped
bear of race, stripped bear.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Of history, then we can restore this purity.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Of whiteness as the defining standard of what America is.
I tried to lay this out in my book White Fear,
and all of these mainstream media folk, all of these
show hosts, people who I sent books to, they are
afraid to even book me on the shows because they
are living in denial about the white fear that is

(01:47:44):
happening before our very eyes in America.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
I'm gonna go to you first.

Speaker 9 (01:47:48):
Received.

Speaker 19 (01:47:50):
Yeah, I mean, the people are stupid, they're dumbasses, but
they are very insidious and they're very strategic, and so
they have been very clever.

Speaker 11 (01:48:00):
And how they've gone.

Speaker 19 (01:48:01):
About this by enlisting the bigotry within each of these
communities that will never benefit from white people. But they
don't like this person, they don't like that group, they
don't like that group. So they dangle whatever it is
that people don't like about technic in front of people
to get on board, to get them to empower Republicans

(01:48:22):
who want to dismantle everything for everybody for white billionaires,
white great Chrystal nationalists, billionaire. They're willing for everybody to
do the dirty work to be the mules of their
white supremacy. But only so many people are going to
benefit from them.

Speaker 11 (01:48:37):
And they have the power. I mean, let's look at
every single metric. White people have the power.

Speaker 19 (01:48:42):
They have the most wealth, they have the most power,
they have the most disproportionately positive impacts and results from
every aspect of this society.

Speaker 11 (01:48:53):
But what they also want is the violence. That's what
I think this is really all about.

Speaker 19 (01:48:59):
That's why they want glamorize the Confederacy because that was
the time where white people are certain white people I
should stay violently revolted against the humanity of enslaved people,
against the system that disenfranchised violently and and strip people
of their humanity and women by the way, they violently

(01:49:21):
revolte not as loss.

Speaker 11 (01:49:24):
As punk as bitch, and their treason is.

Speaker 19 (01:49:26):
But now we've been romanticized in a way that they're
trying to signal to us. They want to see that
that green light again. That's why one of the first
orders of business of Trump was to pardon the DC cop.

Speaker 11 (01:49:38):
That that uh that that that killed a black person.

Speaker 19 (01:49:41):
That's why they are dismantling these content decrees and they're
undoing things.

Speaker 11 (01:49:46):
That's why they're very person throughout the country. They want
the violent, want to violent subjugate people.

Speaker 19 (01:49:54):
Republicans win actually offer disinformation, disinformation and half the country's
already checked out. They didn't give damn that a man
who have thirty five convictions was running on all of
these things.

Speaker 11 (01:50:09):
By the way, it's already they didn't even need to
lift a finger to get that happens.

Speaker 19 (01:50:16):
But they're not satisfied for permanently entrenched power and then
want the ability to violently rule over this country.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Uh Zibor.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
I think everything that everyone has said is so important.
We know that they have the highest.

Speaker 19 (01:50:38):
Numbers of individuals in jail, but they want it to
seem that black individuals are the individuals that are there,
are people of color, are immigrants, are the individuals.

Speaker 11 (01:50:48):
That are doing all of the prime But we know
that's not the truth.

Speaker 19 (01:50:52):
They want to romanticize our history while sitting comfortably in
their fragility.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
And entitled and us as black people to not taking.

Speaker 19 (01:51:05):
Accountability and understanding that if it's happening to our Laxino
Brothers instansis we are nixt.

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
We can't sit by, be quiet, ignore the things.

Speaker 19 (01:51:18):
That are happening every day, not participating in the ways
that we can. I'm not saying marder ourselves, but i
am saying we have a responsibility to stand up, to
fight and not be quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Time for that is over.

Speaker 19 (01:51:33):
To assume that it's okay, not hold the people around
us accountable, not let them know how their lack of
knowledge and inability to hold themselves accountable and hold our
family members accountable.

Speaker 5 (01:51:49):
Is impacting us and impacting our immigrants. A place where
we are built on immigrants. It's time to stop.

Speaker 19 (01:51:57):
It's time to realize that they are coming for us.
This is gonna take us hundreds and hundreds of years
to repair the damage that they are doing.

Speaker 5 (01:52:07):
And we have to fight back. That's it.

Speaker 11 (01:52:11):
We have to make sure we are taking our mental health,
of our kids, our future.

Speaker 5 (01:52:16):
And what we're doing now, how.

Speaker 11 (01:52:17):
Are we doing it now? How are we changing, how
we organizing, how we mobilizing?

Speaker 9 (01:52:22):
Right?

Speaker 24 (01:52:24):
Yes, yes, Greg, go ahead, okay, yes, all of this?

Speaker 12 (01:52:37):
How we getting our communities together?

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
And all right? He is ready? Do we have Greg?

Speaker 9 (01:52:45):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, yeah, well, I'll keep this brief.

Speaker 20 (01:52:50):
The dee I hire, uh that is the Secretary of
the Army, Daniel Driscoll. I'm saying that the that the
un now I says army is built from moments like this,
this debacle that's about to happen here in the District
of Columbia this Saturday. Might want to remember, Well, he
won't because he's a DEI hire. But General Mathis, I'm

(01:53:11):
sure may have gotten an invitation to be there. Will
be interesting to see if these ex army guys show up.
But remember when Jim Mathis was Secretary of Defense in
twenty seventeen and Trump wanted to ruin the streets of
DC with these heavy ass tanks and running down the streets,
and Mathis said, quote, I would rather swallow acid than
do that. And well, now there's a DEI hire, Daniel Driscoll,

(01:53:33):
in charge of the army, and he will do it.
Another DEI hire, a man famous for being a day
drunk and being abusive to women. Of course, his major qualification,
given the diversity equity and inclusion of whiteness, is his
white maleness. To be the Secretary in fact of Defense,
The Pete Hexath for him to troll, to carry out

(01:53:57):
this trolling of renaming the these ships the Harriet Tubman,
the MegaR Wiley evers, as you say, and.

Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
Then to replace Robert E.

Speaker 20 (01:54:07):
Lee and of course the clown whose brain is clearly addled,
who is not well mentally to let seep out of
his orange mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
The other day, we're renaming everything.

Speaker 20 (01:54:17):
The Robert e Okay, you didn't even remember to keep
up the cosplay of the brother who you're swapping the
name out for, because you're not swapping out the name.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
And this is the point they are trolling us. We
must stay focused.

Speaker 20 (01:54:30):
We must stay focused on the fact that they're going
to try now to throw everybody off their healthcare as
many as they can. They couldn't repeal Obamacare one way,
so now defunding it is their strategy. They couldn't go
after the Inflation Reduction Act and Joe Biden, so now
their way to do it is to starve it with
this big BS bill that is the major thing in

(01:54:51):
front of us right now. Confronting folks in the streets,
weaponizing the National Guard, sending active military into the streets.
All that will not pass constitutional must and it will
be sorted out in the meantime. Trolling, putting your hands
on United States senators, trolling, changing names on boats, trolling.
All of that is pursuant to the strategy that Steve

(01:55:14):
Bannon said years ago. Throw everything against the wall, keep
them responding. Crisis crisis, crisis. It's like cats chasing a
flashlight beam. If we stay focused, we will be able
not only to survive this, but to transcend it. We
have to stay focused and we have to stay engaged.
You're right, Roland, Well, we're going to see all over

(01:55:35):
this country on Saturday. In terms of this no More
Kings piece, it's simple enough. It's like a meme, no
more Kings, three words, and that is going to look
like a drop in the bucket as week after week,
month after month, the protests get larger, the people get
more involved.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
And I'll end with this. I'm not calling for this.

Speaker 20 (01:55:54):
I hope it doesn't happen, But ask yourself, what will
happen if they put their hands on your mother, on
your baby, on your husband or wife.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Ask what would happen if.

Speaker 20 (01:56:04):
They bust in the sixth grade class and snatch your nephew,
And you will have the answer to what some of
these these charged up on DEI white supremacy boys and
the negroes who follow them are going to face when
they put their hands on the right one. And at
that point you have all the ingredients for an explosion.
And God only knows what happens after that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks, real quick final story. The
Southern Association of Collgers and Schools Commission on Collegers investigating
another HBCU, this time Florida A and M. The commissioners
looking into allegations at the university's trustees have interfered with
faculty hiring decisions. It's unclear whether the probe is connected
to the family's presidential search process, which is faced criticism

(01:56:49):
for its alleged political influence and lack of transparency.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
The investigation is not expected to.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Conclude before the Florida Board of Governors beats on June
eighteenth to consider the common information of fam you president
elect Marba Johnson, a cable lobbyist with zero zero college experience.
The university's board of trustees recently approved a lucrative contract
for Johnson to be funded through the Florida A and

(01:57:14):
M Foundation. The budget language, grants trustees the authority to
reallocate funds, potentially diverting money from areas such as athletics
and scholarships to cover her compensation if necessary. And she's
actually going to be getting paid more than three hundred
thousand dollars more than the previous president. That, folks, right,
there is an absolute sham. All right, folks, that is

(01:57:37):
it for us. Before I go earlier today, I spoke
at the thirty second annual June teen Freedom Celebration here
in Memphis. It was a great affair. And so look,
June ten not new to the folks here thirty two years.
They have been having this eventag y'all should have the video,
so roll it. And so it was a great time

(01:58:01):
speaking there. We livestream the event on the Black Star Network.
And as if you want to see that, what we're
going to do is tomorrow, at the conclusion of tomorrow's show,
we're actually going to show you my speech to the
folks in attendance there, again challenging them, if you will,
challenging them to take advantage of the fact that this

(01:58:25):
city has a sixty two percent black population. But when
you look at the economics of this city. It doesn't
even come close to the success that African Americans have
had in places like Atlanta, Washington, d C. In other places,
and so we are going to of course have that
for you. So I appreciate everyone who invited me for participating,

(01:58:49):
great leadership here of this annual event and so it
was a great celebration again. So if you want to
see the speech to simply go to our YouTube channel
or black Start Network app.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
Folks, that is it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
I'm about to go chat with Representative Justin Pearson. Leave
it here in a moment to go meet him. And
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