Turmoil In East Africa, 2024 Election Season, Black Book Stores Publishing Co Snubs, US Debt Ceiling

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ethiopian government put together a plan to unite all of
the paramilitary militia forces from these eleven regions under one
presidential decree and under the centralized leadership. This led to
fighting between the factions and the t Gray regions in
the north of the country starting in the end of
twenty twenty one, going all the way through to the

(00:21):
end of twenty twenty two. This battle led to widespread
famine and genocide, killing over six hundred thousand people over
the course of the two year war. Now, at the
same time, I understand the need to focus on Ukraine
and all the fighting going on there, but we've got
an almost no Western attention on the t Gray War
in East Africa. And the only reason we're getting any

(00:44):
attention on the Sudanese conflict currently is because Western nations
have begun the process of pulling out their diplomats. We
saw emergency flights leaving that country. Over a thousand Americans
at this point in time have been evacuated from Sudan.
There are estimated sixteen thousand Americans in country who have
been told since last summer to try to flee that area.
And as a result of this, we're finding it. We're

(01:07):
finding it very difficult to find out who are the
international players who have both been manipulating the actions both
in Ethiopia in the last two years and now in
Sudan as the this area remains war torn. The reason
this is significant to you and the recent to pay
attention to this is this may be the first water

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war of the twenty first century. A big part of
what is vitiating this violence and conflict is Egypt, whichlies
to the north of both Sudan and to Ethiopia because
they're at the mouth of the Nile. Ethiopia Institute and
began the construction of a dam on the Blue Nile,
which would have impact to water supplies downstream in Egypt.

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As a result of this, many believe that it was
indeed the Ethiopian or the Egyptian government that was funding
the t Gray rebels and causing to the conflict. Additionally,
in that same area in the Horn of Africa, we
have seen the nation of Djibouti become all but a
military staging ground for many of the world powers. We

(02:11):
have China who is building a deep water port in
Djibouti in order to maintain and project power within the region.
The US of course has forces stationed there as well
as France, Great Britain and Russia. And speaking of Russia,
we're again talking about what's going on in Ukraine. We've
seen Wagner Group mercenaries on the ground both in Sudan

(02:33):
and Ethiopia during the course of both of these conflicts,
leading many people on the ground to believe that, as
opposed to this simply being a civil war in both
of these countries, that rather they're being manipulated and sponsored
and supported by outside powers. And how have US politicians
responded to both of these interactions. Well, Don Junior, President

(02:57):
Trump's eldest son tweeted out after President Biden announced that
he was going to be evacuating US diplomats from Sudan,
why are we doing these things in shithole countries? That
is the way the Republican Party considers violence and warfare
in East Africa, even though much of this is being

(03:18):
sponsored and continued by the Western powers. They not never
heard anyone talk about Ukraine as being a quote unquote
shithole country or being a war torn area. But it's
because of these Western the interference of Western governments and
the interference of the world superpowers, and this very strategically
important region that seeing we're seeing this warfare taking place,

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and think about what exists right here in the Horn
of Africa, right on the border of the Red Sea.
When you come through the Suez Canal, you go through
the Red Sea, you pass Egypt, you pass Sudan, you
pass Ethiopia. So controlling those areas is crucial to every
modern nation because if you control those shipping lanes, you

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control the entire Indo Pacific region. Particularly a nation like China,
as we said, who is building a deep water port
in that area. Nearly ninety percent of fossil of their
fossil fuel, so it's oil, natural gas comes through the
either the Suez Canal or through the Straits or Horror Moose.
They want to have control of that because a loss

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of control in that area will result in a loss
of a large portion of their ability to supply energy
to their country. Additionally, on the other side of the
Red Sea from this Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia who recently
made an agreement with Iran which was negotiated by the
Chinese government in Beijing to end their decades long civil war. However,

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as a result of this, they have a strategic interest
in controlling this region also, so as has happened for
the last five hundred years, Africa is very much at
the whims of international powers, international groups. And it's not
those groups who have people dying on the ground. It's
not those groups who are interested or care about what's

(05:06):
happening to the people. They only care about the resources
in those regions. And we talk about the fighting and
the quote unquote war torn countries, these countries aren't just
war torn because people feel like fighting. They're war torn
because you have outside actors bringing in weapons, bringing in turmoil,
splitting up the nation. Because they understand, just as we

(05:27):
saw in Vietnam, just we saw in Korea, just we
saw and Gola and around the rest of the world
during the period of decolonization, that the control of the
resources of Africa is what truthfully maintains the international community's
ability to control their economies. So what we're seeing is
not simply a regional conflict. Rather it is a proxy

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war between many of the leading powers of the world
because they understand that controlling those regions as tantamount to
controlling the entire Indo Pacific. When you're talking about what
are the ongoing battle between the United States and this
soft war with China. It is happening right now in Sudan,
it is happening right now in Ethiopia. You combine this

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with what we're seeing climate wise, where places are Uruguay
and Eritrea and even parts of Kenya in a severe
drought condition. You have people in the West who have
no interest in doing anything about climate change. But as
the industrialization and the pollution from Western nations and now
industrializing countries such as China India that are driving the

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sport of climate change, that are destroying communities, that are
destroying ecosystems in East Africa, and then we blame them
for starving, we blame them for being war torn, we
blame them for the conditions in their own their own homelands,
when in truth, it is because these European nations have
stopped scrambling for Africa. They have never stopped scrambling for

(06:54):
control of those regions. And this is why it's crucial
that we as African Americans here put pressure on our
government to actually put in policies that will help uplift
those countries, to uplift those peoples to instill the types
of democratic reforms that we claim that we care about,
as opposed to simply using them as a proxy military force.
There were congressional hearings this week where we were The

(07:16):
US military admitted in congressional hearings that we have upward
of fifty thousand trains of trained African soldiers on the
continent right now. But that doesn't make the headline news.
We hear about Ron de Santis suing Mickey Mouse. We
hear about Donald Trump being indicted because of his porn
stars and prostitutes. But six hundred thousand people in Ethiopia

(07:38):
died in two years and did not make a blip
on the news. And that's not their fault. It's our
fault for not demanding better. But now that we know better,
we have to do better, and we have to demand better.
We're talking with us. After the break, you're watching Roland
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Speaker 1 (09:31):
Welcome back in Printer Rubber Patill still here for Roland Martin.
We're going to continue this conversation about the ongoing situation
in East Africa. Bring in our Panelda. We have doctor
Julia Malvaudan of the College of Ethnic Studies, California State University,
LA and well is doctor Congo dibinga senior professional lecturer
of the School of International Services, American University. Thank both

(09:54):
of you so much for joining us this evening. I
want to start with you, Dr DIBINGA. So, this is
situation in East Africa. As I said, we've concentrated so
much on this war and the Ukraine, which of course
is a you know, human rights and a civil and
everything else, the horrible situation. But at the same time,
this Tea Grove rebellion that we're saying that we saw

(10:14):
in Ethiopia was still is not fully settled. Over six
hundred thousand people died and we did not get a
peep out of US media honor, any coverage. And at
the same time, in this situation in Sudan, they're still
doing this trauma porn for Africa, whereas.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Like, oh, those poor war torn.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
East Africans can't control anything. Instead of talking about the
low international influence in this geo strategic location, King talk
of about why we do not concentrate on the ongoing
situations in Africa unless it's through the lens of Europeans
and the lens of the American minlitary industrial complex.

Speaker 11 (10:51):
Well, you made so many great points of just now
as well as before you're going into the break. One
of the things I say in my song about Congo
is that the Congo so or because it's so rich,
all the minerals and the whole world they want it.
When you go back as far as the the eighteen
hundreds and you look at things like the Red Rubber
in the early nineteen hundreds where people were getting you know,

(11:12):
exploiting places in Central Africa, particularly to Congo for for bicycle.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Tires for companies like Dunlop.

Speaker 11 (11:17):
In the life going all the way up to now,
where you look at what's what you're talking about in
Sudan as well as in other countries in Eastern Africa
and Central Africa. The reason why there is a vested
entrance is not building up and talking about the people,
is because there's a vested interest in pimping Africa for
all of its resources. These countries have enough to feed
not only the entire continent, but the entire world. When

(11:40):
you look at all of the minerals that are armor
our phones that we're using right now to tend tantalum
to tungsten, the colton, the copper that make all of
our electronics runs those come from these same areas, but
the media is only primarily talking about what's going to
happen in terms of getting the Americans out. The reason
why we don't know about what's taking place there is
because if people knew, if particularly black people throughout the

(12:01):
diaspora knew that these were our people, that this was
that we are part of a community that should be
working to embrace our brothers as opposed to and sistors
as opposed to running away from them. That would have
to force people to change the entire narrative. And when
you see what's happening in places like the Sudan, when
you see what's happening in places like Congo, we also
have to be mindful of the fact, and you said
this earlier, that there's a vested interest in supporting dictators

(12:25):
and leaders that are going to keep African countries unstable.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
We should be mindful when we come back to Congo.

Speaker 11 (12:30):
We had a dictator who outlasted seven US presidents and
Mabuta s Seseko who discovered him, George Bush Senior in
nineteen fifty seven, who said, I think this could be
our guy in the Congo. When you look at somebody
like a Rwanda with Kagame, you see that this is
a person who's been propped up by the United States,
who's been whose army has been trained by the ACRI,
the African Crisis Response Initiative, who had Carte Blanche, should

(12:53):
be able to go in and take over two thirds
of the Congo and then partnership with Musevi and Uganda
almost take over the entire country and become exporters of
minerals that they don't even have in their country. So
I really want to go in on this, but I'm
just saying at the end of the day, we have
to be mindful that these strategic interests are found in
everything that we utilize daily that comes from these wars

(13:16):
on areas. So we have to go beyond the mainstream
media and find out the deeper connection that they don't
want us to know.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Absolutely, and doctor mount Vaux on the same point, I
think that there's a fool's errand to try to create
stability in countries when the concept of country is very
much foreign to the continent of Africa. As I said,
Ethiopia eleven to twelve different f no linguistic regions that
are stuck together in a European model of nationhood because

(13:46):
Europeans said, well, you have to have lines around this
to say where everybody's supposed to be at, and he
has to have a governing structure around the lines that
we told you have to be there as those to
respecting the type of fno linguistic lines which isisted previously,
as well as the doramatic trial, no medic traditions that
some areas have. Is there any possibility of having an
actual governing majority in many of these East African nations

(14:07):
when they're trying to fit their own ethnic identity into
a European model of governance which is foreign to the
continent that was really imposed upon them during colonialism and
so many other things were imposed upon us.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know, that's a mouthful of a question, but the
answer is pretty much know.

Speaker 12 (14:23):
And if we want to understand what's going on in
the African continent, we have to go back to the
nineteenth century to Metternich.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
They called him the coast bit of Europe.

Speaker 12 (14:33):
He was one of the Polish leaders or Belgian, one
of those two same things, who decided to divide Africa up.
This goes to France. This goes to the UK, this
goes to the Netherlands, and with no regard for any
kind of tribal allegiances.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Just let's just put it together. That's how we ended
up with the b Afric War in Nigeria. You had
warring tribes in the same so called country.

Speaker 12 (14:59):
And so Robert right about this concept of a country
when you really have very very fluid borders. But the
challenge is the United States has exploited Africa for as
long as starting with the importation of our ancestors, but
exploited Africa as long as they could.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Africa has been a pawn in the Cold War.

Speaker 12 (15:19):
Russia is now using Africa as we're beginning to see
the kind of economic problems that preclude us from doing more.
One point to quibble with you on, I don't think
it's Ukraine or the Sudan. I mean I think we
get into a fool's era and if we.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Start comparing it could be both.

Speaker 12 (15:37):
Then I don't like the way Ukraine is in the
front page every five minutes and we never see this
African stuff unless around Roland Martin unfiltered. But I do
think that as humanitarians we really should not do the
kind of comparing contrast. What we must say is that
if we are the champions of world democracy, which is
a farce.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
And alive, but that's another story.

Speaker 12 (15:56):
But if we claim that that's that we should be
caring about tocracy wherever, and we should also be caring
about stability. But there will be no stability when you
have this kind of rivalry that is basically incited by
the United States and by Russia. We have been complicit
in this, and but Congo ran down in terms of

(16:17):
the essential minerals.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
This has been happening for a.

Speaker 12 (16:20):
Very long time, and we have seen Africa carved up
for a very long time. If we want to point
some fingers, though, we need to point them at ourselves.
Why are we in the United States. We will take
it out to the streets for this and for that
we have never taken it out to the streets for
the African continent.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
We lost REALDA. Robinson. Of course, last week we lost.

Speaker 12 (16:38):
Harry Belafonte, two brothers who saw a very important global
view with the doctor Ron Daniels, who leads the Institute
for the Black World, had a conference last week where
we had world leaders from the African world, from the
diaspora from the Caribbean come in, but very few of

(16:58):
our leaders, and I would follow our civil rights organizations
as well. I mean, people always have these little vanity
trips to the African continent, vanity trips, But what do
you do, what do you bring?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
What are you saying? What are the results?

Speaker 12 (17:10):
So we as Black Americans have let down our four
brothers and forefathers.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
We have simply ignored what's going on.

Speaker 12 (17:18):
And from an economic perspective, the level of you know,
here's what we get for about Africa. We get famine
and I love the term trauma port I'm going to
steal that. But you know, we get the famine, we
get the war, and we don't get any of the
good stuff. There at least a dozen African countries who,
though flawed, have stable economies, Ghana among them. All of

(17:42):
them have been manipulated by European countries, but they are
still growing and building. And in some ways we can
look at President Clinton's Africa policy and people like Singleton McAllister,
who led USA Idea at a point.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
In time, to basically credit some of that.

Speaker 12 (17:57):
But these are that's a majority of a MINORTI rather
fifty four countries. And it also kills me when our
people say, where are you from Africa?

Speaker 13 (18:06):
All right?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Was seriously?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, I think what I want to say say.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
We have responsibility, we have to do some of the work.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And I think part of the reason they keep us
so ignorant of everything going on there is because they
want to have exactly that same perspective. They want us
to have that same Donald Trump Junior shithole country ideology
when it comes to the richest continent and the oldest
continent on Earth. I do want to also switch over
to talking a little bit about the debt ceiling as

(18:36):
it comes down, because what we're seeing, you know, Kevin
McCarthy has introduced this budget, they call it the Limits
Save Grow at to twenty twenty three. So they say, look,
we'll raise the debt ceiling. We will pay the bills
we have already run up. As long as you get
rid of student loan reform, as long as you get
rid of veterans benefits, as long as you get rid
of child food programs, any of these other social programs.

(19:00):
If you stop the investments against climate change, if you
can stop the investments, that would help to really advance
America going forward, Doctor malvol I'm going to go directly
back to you. Is this a serious budget proposal? Are
they just window dressing and they're trying to set America
up for the fall that they can blame on Joe Biden.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
This is a big joke.

Speaker 12 (19:21):
The Office of Management and Budget has said that if
McCarthy has his way, the cuts will be about twenty
two percent across the board. So of course they keep
the fence coal, but everything else, from food stamps, from medicare.
We just saw a report of Robert from Common Dreams.
It's said that poverty is a number four cause of

(19:42):
death in the United States. That debt ceiling bill that
McCarthy put out there may plummet poverty up to the
number three or even number two, because they're taking food
out of people's mouth and doing it both deliberately and gleefully.
But we and it is a setup for Biden. They're
playing bricksmanship. McCarthy is doing us no favors by saying

(20:04):
I'm gonna pay my bills, you know, and that's what
he's attempting to do. Oh gee, I'm so generous, I'm
gonna pay my bills. The fact is that they're not
lowering costs. They're raising costs for American families with the
work that they're trying to do to.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Put people really in poverty in debt.

Speaker 12 (20:21):
One of President of Biden's biggest accompliences I felt as
a former college president and now as a college dean,
was a student loan forgiveness, which disproportionately impacted black students,
who many of whom even with the forgiveness, it was
ten thousand and twenty thousand if you had hell, that's
still when I was president had been and I go

(20:42):
through the I go through the bills and look at
what students owed, and some of them owed almost six figures.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
So twenty thousand.

Speaker 12 (20:50):
Yes, it's a break and a blessing, but for many
it's just not enough. So to try to reverse that
is really they're attempting to play games, but they're not
playing games with the Biden They're been playing games with lives.
And so people need to pay attention to this debt
ceiling because I think most people don't understand that the
debt ceiling is what you owe from the past. It

(21:12):
has nothing to do with the future. This could be
two separate bills. We're going to deal with the dead ceiling,
and we're going to deal with the budget. It could
be two separate bills, but they don't want to do
it that way.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Absolutely, Doctor Debngo, if you were in Joe Biden's position,
would you acquiesce, would you kind of fold to the
Republican demands, or would you actually take it all the
way to the limit and let the voters decide who
they will blame for the collapse of the US government,
potential recession, the d dollarization of the international economy, et cetera.

Speaker 11 (21:42):
I would absolutely continue to stand my ground on this
particular issue. The fact that the amount of is the
Republicans have been anti poor from the beginning. The fact
that the amount of is that twenty five percent over
America's total debt. Total debt was accumulated under the Trumpet
ministe and under the Trump administration there are Republicans voted

(22:03):
to raise it debt sailing three times with no fanfare.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
This has never been.

Speaker 11 (22:08):
A political issue. And not only should Biden wait and
run this part out, he should him as well as
other politicians, should be running on this. They should be
making this the platform they want to cut everything that
has to relate to people who are struggling in every way,
shape or form. They want to reverse everything that Biden
has been able to create. As doctor malvol said, we

(22:30):
got the student loan stuff caught up in courts. We're
talking about the build Back Better agenda and everything. And
not only do these guys say that they don't want
to you know, they love the military, but even outside
of the budget, they're holding up the promotions of over
two hundred military personnel who are seeking to get to
higher level.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
So they're also hurting us as it relates to national defense.

Speaker 11 (22:49):
Every single day, the Republicans give us more to run on,
and Biden needs to run on Democrats being the party
of freedom, Democrats being the party that wants to balance
the budget, Democrats that wants to more people to work.
Look at the unemployment numbers and what's going to happen
with if these Republican budget cans go through.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
So he has to.

Speaker 11 (23:06):
Continue to fight and like you said, finish your job,
and you don't finish the job with people who have
a vested interest in seeing America become crippled by what's
happening today. And we started with Trump's well not started,
but when they raised when they.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Had those tax cuts for the rich under Trump.

Speaker 11 (23:22):
That was the only sign we needed to let us
know where this party was planning to go down the future,
and we got to fight them at every step of
the way.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know, it's funny that the Republicans have given up
on the idea of being the fiscally conservative party. What
you said, twenty five percent of the national debt with
accumulator under Trump alone, one in five dollars have ever
been printed in the history of America. What's printed during
the Trump administration. If you took away the Trump and
the Bush tax cuts as they exist currently, you would

(23:50):
cut the federal debt by about ten trillion dollars. And
you compare that with Joe Biden, who's cut the federal
deficit byo about two trillion dollars in just the first
three years in office. I think Democrats will the right
instance message we'll be able to use to today advantage.
We're going to talk more but about this after the break.
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
Big bookstore chains really snubbing black, small black bookstores. That's
why our guests believe is taking place right now. Mom
and pop entrepreneurs often feel the shaft the big businesses.
But what happens when you actually know that big companies
are intentionally snubbing you. Well, that's what's happening to our
next guest. Bookstore owners say authors are requesting to do

(26:21):
events at their establishments, but the publishing companies are ignoring
the businesses and their actual clients. Joining me now are
Anika Caesar, the owner of Fulton Street Books and Coffee
and Tulsa, Oklahoma, and d J. Johnson, the owner of A.
Baldwin and Company in New Orleans, Louisiana. Thank both of
you so much for joining me this evening, and thanks

(26:45):
so much. I'm going to start with you, DJ. Can
you talk a little bit about what is going on
with these big bookstore publishers, because you know, people go
on book tours. They want to get to the get
to the people. You will think these big publishers would
really want to get the message out there because money
in their pocket. But what's happening.

Speaker 9 (27:05):
Well, I think that the issue of the racial discrimination
in the book publishing against black owned books is it's
been long systematic and denying black owned bookstores equal opportunity,
which has just caused severe economic hallships in the businesses.
So there's always underlying issues to whereas things on the service,
you may perceive it to be one way, but then

(27:26):
there's other bodies that work to disenfranchise black owned businesses
at a higher level.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
And so what they can kind of describe the people
who may not be directly connected with what's going on,
how the system is supposed to work, and how they're
discriminating against black owned companies.

Speaker 9 (27:47):
Well, the way the system is supposed to work is
to whereas when and authors requests a book event at
a bookstore, that author's voice and that author's request should
be honored. So what we've been experiencing is that authors
are requesting to come to our stores and their voices
and their requests are being denied. And I don't think
the authors understand how much power that they have and

(28:09):
that these requests should be fulfilled, particularly when we as
black owned bookstores, are also sending in requests through our
publishing reps that we would like to host this author,
and then the author is also saying that I would
like to host them, I would also like to attend
their bookstore for my book event, and both of those

(28:31):
requests are just being denied and sees.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I wanting to bring you into this conversation. What happens
when you put in a request to have an author
book signing or book reading at your store, or when
the author says they want to have an eventry store.
What's there justification? What reason could they have to not
really want to make the money for both the publishing company,
the author and the bookstore.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, what I think is happening is that there are essentially.

Speaker 20 (28:59):
Miscommunication right, and misunderstandings in the entrepreneurship world. Oftentimes black
owned businesses are seen as risky to invest in, and
what we know based on the data is that that
is actually not true. And so I think some of
that mindset translates over to the book world, where people believe, oh,
it's a black owed bookstore, it's a community based bookstore.
They may not be able to bring in the crowd right,

(29:20):
which will bring in the money. And what they don't
understand is, especially in communities of color, especially in Black communities,
bookstores I always say are only second importance in terms
of their service and their value in community to the
black church, right, And so they are pillars in their
community and they can bring in the people, they can
bring in the numbers, and so sometimes.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
They are just perceived to be not able or not or.

Speaker 20 (29:44):
Perceied to not be able to have the capacity to
bring in the crowds.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
And so it's a chicken and the situation that because
they believe that you can't bring in the crowds, they
don't book the events for you to be able to
bring in the crowds. How do you kind of break
that visious cycle?

Speaker 20 (29:59):
Yeah, I mean, I think being able to have those
proof points, right, So if there is equity in terms
of being able to bring in authors, to even have
the ability to prove what your bookstore and what your
community is able to do and how you're able to
have a turnout, then we won't be able to see
that happen. And so what I think really really needs
to happen is that there needs to be assurances that

(30:19):
there is equity in terms of the author's voice, there's
equity in terms of black owned booksellers in their voices,
in terms of who they want to bring in. We
know our stores and we know our communities, and so
we need to be heard and our voice need to
be valued and validated at the table.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
And DJ can com talk about the importance of these
book signings and these types of events for small community
owned bookstores, particularly in the black community, because we've seen
so many black bookstores go out of business in the
last few years. It's been many communities. You know where
we live at in South Fulton and Atlanta. You know
our bookstore in Camp Creek win our business. They put

(30:58):
a weave store there instead. You really see the neighborhood
kind of fall apart where you don't have access to
those black books. You can talk about the importance of
these events and making sure we can have a thriving
black book community.

Speaker 9 (31:13):
So the thing is that black bookstores from the very beginning,
from when David Ruggles first opened up a black bookstore
in eighteen thirty.

Speaker 7 (31:20):
Four, it's always been the hub.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
It's the intellectual hub and the incubation of creativity where
social justice reform spurs out of. So the importance of
a black bookstore is it cannot be overstated in terms
of creating a collective environment of individuals collectively fighting for
social justice reform and equality within society. So it's where

(31:45):
it's a gathering hub where individuals always collectively come together
in the Black community and engage in discussions that progresses
our movement forward.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
And you know, it's interesting. And you know, if you
look at much of the writings from the Harlem Renaissance,
they talk about organizing and meeting and exchanging ideas and
bookshops and cafes. If you look at much of the
organizing the civil rights movement, they talked about meeting and
organizing and strategizing in bookstores and in libraries and church
basements and cafes. Can talk of about what happens when

(32:19):
the black bookstores removed from a community.

Speaker 20 (32:22):
We lose essentially our safe places. Right, we need third
places in our community as well, places that are not
work and places that are not home, places where we
can water idea and creativity. A lot of our social
and cultural movements have been birthed in places like bookstores
and in actual bookstores, and so bookstores serve I always say,
more than just books.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
They are holding space for community.

Speaker 20 (32:46):
That's where we go, that's where we gather, it's where
people get resources, it's where you connect with other people.
It is where sometimes you're just able to let your
hair down and relax. And so they serve more so
as community spaces than as platforms for individual wealth creation.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
And on that point, you know, we often see books
in black bookstores that you're not going to see in
books of Milligan, that you're not going to see in
Bards and Noble. I remember we had a small black
on bookstore in West End in Atlanta where I got
the autobiography of h Trap Brown, Stokely Carmichael, books on
the Panthers, on the Founding in the Nation of Islam.

(33:21):
You can talk about the diversity of thought that we
lose when we lose black bookstores.

Speaker 20 (33:27):
Yeah, I will say here in Oklahoma we are facing
a lot of challenges around potential book bans. I believe
that book bands are essentially censorship. And when we censor voices,
most often those voices are marginalized, black, brown, other wise
and marginalized voices and our children, our communities.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
We need to see representation.

Speaker 20 (33:46):
We need to hear the truth about our stories, past,
present and future, and we need those imaginative space spaces
so we can construct write what has been our history,
especially here in this country, and also use that as
a means to figure out what that path forward it.
So it's representation, it's it's stores that are you know,
being censored and are preferably unheard. So bookstores serves so

(34:10):
much to who we are as a people that when
we lose those when we lose those monuments, when when
we lose those community pillars, we're losing a lot more
than a business, and I think people don't understand that
piece of it.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I want to bring the panel in doctor Moultvo. Do
you have a question for our guest.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I sure do.

Speaker 12 (34:28):
First of all, I want to shout out my favorite bookstore,
which is Marcus Books in Oakland, California.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Uh there, we used to have two.

Speaker 12 (34:34):
Of them, one in San Francisco, one of Oakland. One
had to close. It was the oldest black, old bookstore
west of the Mississippi, and basically I grew up in
that bookstore. My question is how two things quickly what
role do agents play and where an author is able
to visit. I think that if agents are more aggressive

(34:57):
when a contract is being signed and author are more aware,
this may be obviate some of the challenges that both
of you mentioned that you have.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
The other piece of the question is the issue of
scale economies.

Speaker 12 (35:10):
The economies have scaled me that you end up paying
more per copy of a book. You get a smaller
discount usually I'm an author sometimes and you know, usually
they say.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Sixty five or fifty five percent.

Speaker 12 (35:23):
But it seems to me that the smaller the bookstore,
the lower the scale economy.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
So are there ways that you could take advantage of.

Speaker 12 (35:30):
Scale economies in terms of having a more make it
more profit?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
They'll just called that.

Speaker 12 (35:34):
But in terms of making more profit, either one of you,
if you would take that question out of where we
both questions, I'd appreciate.

Speaker 9 (35:44):
I'll take part of it, and I'll like Anika jump in.
In terms of the agents, the agents play a small role,
but these publishing houses are very large publishing houses and
there's a lot of different departments.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So there's the.

Speaker 9 (35:56):
Agents who are really just pushing for the best possible
outcome for their client, but they rely on the publishing
houses to say where the sales. The publishing houses are
the ones who track the sales, so they know which
bookstores are selling the most or have an idea of
which bookstores will sell the most. And for the agent,

(36:17):
the agent is like, I just want my client to
go where they're going to be the most successful, so
they kind of rely on the publishing houses for that information.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
The problem with the publishing.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
Houses that they're perpetuating systematic racism and undermining the efforts
of individuals like ourselves who are finding for equity who
may not have a long track record of a white
owned bookstore that's been around for thirty forty years, but
they're not also not understanding the connection that we have
to the black community in terms of the economies of scale.
Of course, the more books, the more books you order,

(36:48):
the bigger discount you get. So if we can host
more authors, then that grows more notorietory, more recognition, and
it draws in bigger crowds. So it's a big difference
in a discount from ordering fifty books from ordering one
hundred books. So the more we're able to get some
of the bigger name authors to whereas we can guarantee
that we're going to have hundreds of individuals attending, then

(37:10):
of course that's the greater discount that we're going to
get on it, and that's the greater profit margins that
we're going to receive.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
And it Caesar are just to you, what should we
do as the public to help with this issue. Do
we need need to be ensuring that we're contacting agents
or content authors, contacting the publishing companies. How can we
help to ameliorate this issue?

Speaker 20 (37:29):
Yeah, it's something that DJ and I are actually just discussing,
right what are the solutions and how can your everyday
individual jump in and support I would say one of
the easiest things that folks can do is to support
your local black owned bookstores.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Buy from black owned bookstores if you're working.

Speaker 20 (37:48):
At a company and that company needs vendors, and sure
that you're plugging in black owed bookstores anywhere that people
need books.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Make sure that you're advocating for black owned bookstores.

Speaker 20 (37:56):
I think that's one simple thing that any single person
can do to you into your equity. I will say
one of the challenges in the publishing industry is that
it can be very confusing and I don't think there's
one place you can go to a one person in
the chain that you can pinpoint and say we can
just get to that person. And so I think consumers
have a lot of power, and part of the way

(38:16):
that they can use that power is by pushing for
just frequenting and shopping at black home bookstores.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
So we thank both of you so much for everything
that you're doing. We want to make sure that people
understand Ronda Stantis is burning and banning books for a reason.
Support black owned bookstores where you can A Nika Sees
are also DJ Johnson. Thank you so much for everything
of everything that you've done, at everything that you're working
on going forward. We'll be back after the break. Before

(38:43):
we go to break, well, miss Caesar, mister Baldwin can
give out your content information and how people can buy
from you, how people can follow you on social media.
I'll start with you and Caesar.

Speaker 20 (38:53):
Yes, you can find us at Fulton Street nine to
one eight dot com, also on all social channels at
Fulton Street nine and eight. We're located here in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
home of the original Black Wall Street.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
If you're ever here, please combine and see.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Us and mister Johnson. Yes, we are located in New Orleans, Louisiana.
Our website is baldwinncobooks dot com. Our social media on
Instagram is at Baldwin and Company and on Twitter it's
at Baldwin Books.

Speaker 7 (39:22):
Please follow us.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
We work to expand literacy and promote discourse amongst all
members in the community. And we just believe that there's
no better way to foster intellectual growth than through the
power books and literature and the success of at the individual.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
It begins with a book in mind.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
So definitely please follow us, and we have some of
the best events in the country, so definitely tap into
your black own books so collective.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
All right, thank you all so much. We're going que
conversation going after break. Make sure you buy black owned
books from black owned bookstores. We'll be back after the break.
You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered streaming live on the Black
Star Network.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Call, we
look at the history of emancipation around he including right
here in the United States, the so called end of slavery.
Trust me, it's a history lesson that bears no resemblance
to what you learned in School Professor Chris Manjapra, author, scholar,
amazing teacher, joins us to talk about his latest book,

(40:21):
Black Ghost of Empire, The Death of Slavery and the
Failure of Emancipation. He explains why the end of slavery
was no end at all, but instead a collection of
laws and policies designed to preserve the status quo of
racial oppression.

Speaker 21 (40:37):
The real problem is that the problems that slavery and
invented have continued over time, and what reparations are really
about is saying, how do we really transform society right
and stop racial violence which is so endemic, what.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
We need to do about it.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
On the next installment of the Black Table, right here
on the Black.

Speaker 18 (40:59):
Story, on a next A Balance Life with Me, Doctor Jackie,
we talked about a hard coal fact not all healthcare
is created equal in this country, especially if you're a
person of color.

Speaker 10 (41:14):
So many of us black families, we rely upon each
other heavily. A lot of us aren't necessarily sure how
to best communicate with our.

Speaker 18 (41:22):
Healthcare providers, how to take charge and balance the skills
your life may depend on it. That's next on a
Balanced Line on Blackstar Network.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
This is Judge math.

Speaker 22 (41:37):
What's going on, everybody, it's your boy Mac Wild.

Speaker 19 (41:39):
It was up y'adish, your boy Jacob Latimore, and you're
not watching Roland Marty right now.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
The nerd problem was this weekend. The White House Correspondence
Dinner as the occasion where the press and politicians get
together and watch in DC in order to raise money
for journal and some students, but also the Pope fun
at each other to have some eventful conversations. Of course,
it was famously when Donald Trump was roasted by Seth
Myers that he decided to run for president. We've seen

(42:10):
various comedians hosting over the course of the last several years.
This year, President Biden stunned the audience at the White
House Correspondent Dinner and he delivered a set of jokes
about Fox News, Ronda Santis, Marjorie Taylor Green and his speech.
Let's hear a little bit of that from President Biden's speech.
This was It was hosted this year by Roy Woods

(42:30):
Junior from The Daily Show. I make sure you guys
follow him on social media because they're still looking for
a host from the Daily Show and we need to
support Roy Woods in that in that competition. So it's
here from Roy Woods and then from President Biden at
the White House Correspondent dinner.

Speaker 8 (42:47):
I'm happy to be here real quick, mister President. I
think you left some of your classified documents up there.
You can get the know. Don't get him to him.
I'll put him in a safe place. He don't know
where to keep him. I'mas be here though, heavy dress.

Speaker 23 (43:01):
Nice, you got the nice threads on, you got the
jewelry glittening. Look like everybody got a little piece of
that settlement money from Fox News. And that's all I
have to say about that, because I'm not going to have.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Dominion on my ass. I loved me. Matter of fact.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
Let me just say right now, my favorite voting machine
isn't dominion voting machines. When I go to the polls,
I make sure it is a dominion machine that I use.
If your election need the truth, put dominion in your booth.

Speaker 13 (43:38):
You might think I don't like Rup Murdoch. That's simply
not true. How could it? Just like a guy who
makes me look like Harry Styles.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Call me old.

Speaker 13 (43:55):
I call it being seasons. You say ancient My same
wise the same over the hill. Don Lemon would say
that's the man who is frying. I want everyone to

(44:17):
have fun tonight, but please be safe. If you find
yourself disoriented or confuse, it's either you're drunk or Marjorie
Taylor Green. But the job isn't finished. I mean it
is finished for Tucker Carlson. What are you moaning.

Speaker 24 (44:39):
About like that?

Speaker 9 (44:41):
Like?

Speaker 13 (44:41):
Do you think that's not reasonable? Had Rod DeSantis. I
had a lot of rand Rod de Santa's jokes ready,
but but Mickey Mouse beat the hell out of me
and got there first. Hell, lord, can't be too rough

(45:02):
of the guy.

Speaker 25 (45:04):
After his re.

Speaker 13 (45:05):
Election as gonor, he was asked if he had a mandate.
He said, hell, no, I'm straight. I'm straight. I'll give
you time to think that went through. You got it.

(45:27):
It's great. The cable news networks are here tonight. MSNBC
owned by NBC Universal, Fox News owned by Dominion Voting Systems.
Last year, your favorite Fox News reporters were able to

(45:51):
attend because they were fully vaccinated and boosted this year
with a seven and eighty seven million. They're here because
they couldn't say no to a free meal. And hell,
I'd call Fox honest, fair and truthful. Then I could

(46:14):
be sued for defamation. I hope the Fox News team
finds this funny. My goal is to make them laugh
as hard as CNN did when a read the settlement.
But then again CNN was like, wow, they actually have
seven and eighty seven million dollars.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Jonian is now. Also to the panel is Briona Cartwright,
political strategist, and Brianna want to start with you because
one of the interesting things I saw of trending on
social media is that in conservative media they were so
upset by President Body making fun of them. They claimed
that that wasn't President Biden, but that wasn't either an
its poster or a clone. What do you think it says?

(46:59):
When conservatives have set the bar sold for Biden, they
are amazed that he can stand up in giving speech
and tell jokes.

Speaker 25 (47:07):
I think that's funny at itself, because I don't think
our technology has been good enough in order to make
it a clone.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
But I'm glad that they enjoyed it.

Speaker 25 (47:18):
But we also know as the jokes, they have a
lot of conspiracy theories that they like to spin, and
they will keep on doing it until you keep putting
their feet to the fire. But I'm glad that he
had some good jokes, got them out, and even though
we're laughing at him, it's very sad and true a

(47:40):
lot he said, and.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Doctor de Benga on that same point, you know, the
jokes are funny, but it's funny because we're literally saying
that our media system in this country is so corrupted
and can't be trusted that we can all just sit
in a room and chuckle about it. Do you think
this actually will have an impact on the American people
understanding that even these rooms of power, these people joke
about how corrupt the media is.

Speaker 11 (48:04):
I think that what you just said is extremely sad,
but it is true. What I'm really hoping is that
with jokes like this, and with what happened with Dominion
and what's going to happen with these other lawsuits and things,
that there's going to be some type of focus in
returning to truth based journalism and truth based media as
a form of profit. Fox's profit margin is based on lives,

(48:28):
is based on deception. That's what Murdoch has been about
his entire time. And whether we're talking about Bill O'Reilly
or Hammity or Carlson, this has been there. This has
been their focus and now, Unfortunately, what's sad about this
is that they're being held accountable financially, but they're not
being held accountable for what they've done as relates to.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
Being a threat to democracy.

Speaker 11 (48:48):
I believe that Murdoch and his empire is one of
the biggest threat is the biggest threat to democracy in
this country. And Tucker Carlson is gone not because of
him calling Iranians monkeys or everything you said about replacement
theory and everything else.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
No, it's primarily.

Speaker 11 (49:03):
Because he called the executive Susan Scott the C word
and other terms he had about Booper Mardach.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
So it's like when he came for them, then he
had to be gone.

Speaker 11 (49:10):
But the fact of the matter is they don't care
about the truth. And right now, I'm hoping that this
will start to be a switch with these routines and
the comedy routines and the settlements start to be a
shift to making sure that the profit margin is based
on fact based journalism. And lastly, I'm hoping that all
of us who have cable at home will start to
call out our companies because Fox doesn't need advertisers as

(49:33):
long as they got cabbage fees. From Verizon and all
of these other companies. The highest paid company that makes
money off of cable is ESPN in terms of fees distributed,
the second highest in Fox News. So you can hate
on them, but if you got cable, you're paying them.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
And doctor Malveaux. You know, the big concern for many
voters is whether or not link In Biden will be
physically able, physically fit, mentally acute enough to serve a
second term. Do you think this speech touch he helps
him in the to some voters.

Speaker 12 (50:01):
Well, he looked great. He was on top of his game.
You know, that's the Joe Biden that I know in love.
I think that Joe Biden has got a very bad rap.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yes, he is of a certain age.

Speaker 12 (50:13):
If he is elected, which I hope he will be,
he'll be, I believe, eighty six years old when he
leaves office, and that for many is ancient, but many
others it is not. I mean, I think everybody on
the panel is familiar with doctor Dorothy Irene Hight, who
basically worked until she went to the hospital at ninety
two or three, but went to her office ed day

(50:36):
as an ED day what I had and loves on
and presided over the business of the National Council of
Negro Women. Doctor Janetta bench Cole, my predecessor at Bennett,
is alive and well.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
And kicking, and there's so many others. So the ageism
really has got to stop.

Speaker 12 (50:54):
I can understand people's concern, but there's also a level
of concern that is laced with race and sexism. I
saw somebody's show and they were talking about how they
want they like Biden, but they can't see Kamala as
vice as president.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Well that's why.

Speaker 12 (51:11):
God, you saw al Gore, you saw I don't know
how many others.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
How come you.

Speaker 12 (51:15):
Can't see this very competent, very good black woman who's
being judged at a standard that no other vice president
has ever been judged at. So I think that Biden
did a very very good job. But I want to
say one quick thing to om Congo.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Brother.

Speaker 12 (51:31):
You are an optimist if you think that jokes and
some other stuff is going to stop these predatory capitalists
from exploiting people, especially when the Orange Man has a
hardcore of how many million idiots who follow him, follow
Fox and unapologetically. So so I love your optimism, but

(51:51):
let me tell you, predatory capitalists will went out every time.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
We have to do the organizing to be the antidote
to that.

Speaker 11 (51:58):
Well, sorry, my optimism.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Somebody has to be an optimist, no one else is.
But for the people who were saying Joe Biden is
too old, we just saw the Memphis Grizzlies say Lebron
was too old, that he beat in by forty. So
keep the ageism to yourself. Don't think just because they
old it on me, they can't do it. And just
because you're young, don't mean you got good ideas. Lauren
Bobert is thirty six years old, you know, Marjorie Kaylor

(52:25):
Green is in her early forties. At Gates is like
thirty five, thirty six years old. You can be young
and an idiot. So let's let's take age out of
the equation. Let's go by people's qualifications of what they're
getting done. We're going to come back and keep talking
about Election twenty twenty four. After the break, you're watching
Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 24 (52:50):
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or not. From politics, music, and entertainment. It's a huge
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Speaker 14 (53:12):
On the next, Get Wealthy with Me, Deborah Owen's America's
Wealth Coach.

Speaker 15 (53:17):
Nurses are the backbone of the.

Speaker 16 (53:19):
Healthcare industry, and yet only seven percent of them are black.

Speaker 15 (53:24):
What's the reason for that low number.

Speaker 16 (53:27):
Well, a lack of opportunities and growth in their profession.
Joining us on the next Get Wealthy is meeting Barnanilli.

Speaker 15 (53:36):
She's going to be sharing exactly.

Speaker 16 (53:38):
What nurses need to do and what approach they need
to take to take ownership of their success.

Speaker 17 (53:44):
So the Blackness Collaborative really spawn from a place and
a desire to create opportunities to uplift each other, those
of us in a profession, to also look and reach
back and create and create pipelines and opportunities for other
nurses like us.

Speaker 15 (53:59):
That's right here on Get Wealthy, oh lyon Black Start.

Speaker 26 (54:03):
Here, Hi, This is Since at Kins Vian Coo from
Blackest Everybody that she met Fred Hammond and you're watching
Roland Martin my man Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
The twenty twenty four presidential race is in full swing.
I know it used to be. You know, the presidential
race will start after Labor Day, not anymore. We all
have declared candidates on the Republican side of the our
President Trump, of course, who famously declared his re election
campaign in November of last year. We've had Ron de
Santis still banding about the idea of running for president.

(54:41):
Tim Scott, senator from South Carolina, has stated he is
creating an exploratory committee to explore the idea of running
for president. We got Asha Hutchinson running, we have Nicky
Haley has declared her candidacy. Joining us now to discuss
the Republican primary season is our conservative friends, Stacy Washington,

(55:05):
host of Stacy on the Right. Stacy, how are you
doing this this evening?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Thank you for having me on tonight.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Thank you and so Stacey, you've been involved in Republican
politics as long as I have known you. What is
kind of the outline for these candidates who are not
President Trump when it comes to having a pathway to
secureing the nomination?

Speaker 27 (55:27):
Well, I think what we're seeing is a huge discussion
that's going on within the GOP about the direction of
the party and about the viability of obviously, the Trump
campaign which I feel is very viable. But those conversations
are happening online on Twitter, and then there's a lot
of comparison. Which of these candidates is strong enough to
go up against President Biden, who has historic lows on

(55:49):
his polling but is still very strong because the entire
Democrat Party is behind him, even as people like Charlemagne
the God question whether or not the primary process is
being run correctly on the left. So there's a big
conversation going on, and I actually think it's far more
healthy for our country, in our system of government, for
us to have that conversation and for people to be

(56:10):
arguing and fighting right now than it would be for
us to be single minded about anyone candidate refusing to
participate in the process. So this is actually good for us.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
But on the Republican side of the YA, you know,
you have put people like Tim Scott who's onto Exploratory Committee.
You have Nicki Haley who is running against President Trump,
but none of them have been willing to actually criticize
or denounce or run against Trump. It's almost as if
they're there as placeholders as if well, if President Trump
can't run for any reason, I'm here are any of

(56:40):
the Republican candidates going to actually be willing to get
into a fistfight with Trump to secure denomination or are they
just trying to win by default in case he gets indicted.

Speaker 27 (56:49):
So actually I disagree with you, Robert, because there have
been some pretty sharp comments from Vivak Ramaswami on COVID policy.
Nicki Haley has hit former President Trump on the same topic.
There are a lot of hits that have been coming,
but the real discussion about that, the real sparks will
fly during the debate. So when they're on the stage together,
that's when you're going to see all of them coming

(57:11):
out for the front runner, which is President Trump. Now
you have some imagery out there of Governor DeSantis, America's governor,
well loved on the right side of the political aisle,
but there are some questions that he's going to have
to answer. And you know that former President Trump has
been attacking him pretty strongly on.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
True social and social media.

Speaker 27 (57:27):
So I think we're going to see the knives sharpening
even more.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
But some of the candidates, like Senator Tim.

Speaker 27 (57:33):
Scott, he's so well loved and widely popular, and he's
actually good friends with the former president and a lot
of the other people who've thrown their hat in the ring.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So it's nice now, but it'll get rough on that point.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
You know, President Trump has been known to be, you know,
a flamethrower, and he's come right out of the gate
attacking Ron Deasanthons before Ron DeSantis has even declared his candidacy.
He basically accused Ronda Santhis of being a groomer and
a paile. Are we going to see the Republican rais
get that dirty this early?

Speaker 2 (58:04):
So my hope is that that's a hard no.

Speaker 27 (58:07):
So I'm paying attention to the policies of each of
these candidates and what they actually bring to the table
in the way of promises that they plan to keep
if they're elected, and their viability against Biden. Biden's the
actual president. He has a bully pulpit, he's the incumbent.
There's a lot of power in that he gets to
take his questions from the White House Press briefing room,
podium or the sticks.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
On his way to and from Marine one.

Speaker 27 (58:28):
So we need a candidate who can approach that level
of efficiency and give imagery and a sense of competency
that can match that of a sitting president, and I
think we have great people on our bench who can
do that, but we are early in the process and
so we'll see what they bring now.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
When it comes to this issue of gravitas kind of
the difference between sitting president and a challenger. On the
one hand, yet President Trumpell, of course has served the
office before. But at the same time, he lost to
Hillary Clinton by three million votes. He lost the mid
terms in twenty eighteen, he lost to Joe Biden by
seven million votes. Republicans underperformed the large part because of

(59:08):
the Trump shadow in twenty twenty two, the proposed red wave.
Is that really where Republicans should be putting all their
eggs in that basket? Again, given the track record over
the course of the last.

Speaker 27 (59:17):
Five or sx years, So I think your interpretation of
those election cycles is interesting, and of course it suits
your side of the political aisle. But from where I'm sitting,
when I look at the list of accomplishments of former
President Trump during his four years in office, the list
is too long for me to elucidate.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
During our time here on this.

Speaker 27 (59:35):
Show, he had the border in a better place, the
economy in a better place.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
And certainly voters saw.

Speaker 27 (59:42):
Him as someone who stood up for America instead of
kind of receding and pulling back. We're watching our economy
with bank failures, economies in the tank recession, and we
have inflation out of the watsuit, not to leave out
the fact that there are shortages and things that you
can't find that were plenty during the Trump administration. So
obviously he's the front runner and with good reason. And

(01:00:04):
the most important thing that we have to look at
right now is what will he do if he's president
again in comparison to our current president who is leaving
a lot of people behind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
But on their point, just I don't mean to be
labor the point, but we're talking about the math here.
President Trump lost in twenty sixteen by three million votes.
He lost in twenty twenty by seven million votes. So
Republicans really be trusting in that again. And this idea
is he going to just produce seven to ten million
more votes in twenty twenty four versus twenty twenty.

Speaker 27 (01:00:34):
So, Robert, are you saying that in twenty sixteen President
Trump wasn't elected to the presidency of the United States
Because you keep talking about the popular vote totals. But
we are a country that elects our president through the
representative system. We're guaranteed a representative form of government by
our Constitution. It's actually written down. That's how we abide.
So President Trump did not lose in twenty sixteen. The

(01:00:56):
midterms were not as expected, but certainly Republicans did well
and for twenty twenty and then twenty twenty two, Republicans
took back the House of Representatives. I'm not sure if
you saw that, but the Republicans control the House, and
there is narrow control of the Senate. It's not like
there was a big mandate there in the US Senate
over this last midterm election. If there was, the numbers

(01:01:17):
would have been far greater on the side of the Democrat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So we see things a little differently there.

Speaker 27 (01:01:22):
The former president was elected in twenty sixteen using the
electoral college, which is the same system we'll be using
this go around in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
All right, I'm going to bring to Kip handel In
after this, but i want to ask which of the
candidates has the strongest agenda for African Americans. Which candidate
has articulated a specifical agenda that for You know, we
talk about the numbers and the percentages of Black voters
voting for the Democratic Party. Which candidate has articulated message
they think will start winning over some of those voters.

Speaker 27 (01:01:50):
Well, President Trump had a number of programs that were
fantastic for Black Americans, and those accomplishments were made during
his first term, and he plans to expand upon that
in a second term in twenty twenty four. I also
think Senator Tim Scott is very strong on black issues.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
But it's not just black issues.

Speaker 27 (01:02:07):
Is it that we as Black Americans have a certain
way of living that's different from the rest of the country.
Kitchen table issues for white Americans and Asians and Hispanics
are the same issues that black Americans face. We want jobs,
we want safe neighborhoods, and we want an economy that's
strong that does not get in our way. We don't
want to be overregulated, and we certainly don't want the
government telling us what we can and can't do in
our private lives. That's an agenda that the Republican Party

(01:02:30):
platform supports, not so much on the Democrat side. Look
at all of the command and control structures implemented by
the Biden administration that are harming blacks and look at
the unemployment rate for blacks, which is deleterious in comparison
to what it was under former President Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I want to bring in the panel for questions before
we run out of time. Brianna, I know you had
a question for Stacey. We'll turn it forward to you.

Speaker 25 (01:02:52):
I have many questions, but I will try to keep
it brief. First, I noticed that you said that you
thought Tim's had a good agenda for Black Americans, and
you specify that not just Black Americans, all Americans, which
is the table. The kitchen table issues apply across the board,
which will help us because we know when America has

(01:03:18):
the cold, black America has the flu.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
Right.

Speaker 25 (01:03:22):
But I saw Tim Scott's commercial and the first thing
it did was make me cringe. So I would like
for you to go in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
A little bit more that.

Speaker 25 (01:03:32):
I would like you to go in a little bit
more on what specifically what issue with an economics I
would say, yeah, let's start there with just economics for
Black Americans, for urban America. What specifically is Tim Scott's
agenda for urban America in economics that would be different

(01:03:54):
than what we have seen in the last four years.
And then the other one is you said Trump and
I know Trump did a lot with the opportunity zones,
which we saw that there was ramifications with that too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
So what specifically have you seen also.

Speaker 25 (01:04:11):
In urban America and economics that would be different the
last four years?

Speaker 27 (01:04:18):
Okay, so you didn't specify what made you cringe about
Senator Scott's announcement video, but I'll go you did mention economic,
the economic part of the platform and the opportunity zones.
So right now, under the Biden administration, since he took
office after he was elected, we've had an increase in
the regulatory burden on average everyday citizens of over fourteen

(01:04:40):
thousand dollars. And this has been tracked using government data
on the regulatory burden and how that impacts Americans. So
an additional fourteen thousand dollars a year on every American
household because of the additional regulations implemented by the Biden administration.
Both Trump and Scott have a low regulatory pressure agenda,
so that in and of self saves Americans money. And

(01:05:02):
then there's also the impact on inflation. When you have
high inflation, that money comes right out of the pockets
and bank accounts of Americans, regardless of their socioeconomic structure.
So if you're on the low end, the pressure is
higher for you. So couple that with the regulatory burden,
and both of those Republicans that you asked about have
a better agenda than the Biden administration.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
And just as a way of follow up, because before
we go, like what does these specific policies that either
Scott or Trump would implement to lower inflation? Currently US
inflation is about one third of what it is in
France a quarter of what it is in Great Britain.
Both were these specific policies.

Speaker 27 (01:05:42):
So the comparison for our country to France or any
other European country is not a good comparison because those
countries have a socialist paradigm and we are a free market,
capitalist society. So reduction in the regulatory burden and a
focus on energy policy. Right now, the Biden administration is

(01:06:02):
crushing our natural gas and oil industry, which is the
backbone of our economy, by not allowing new natural gas
leases and not permitting further exploration so that we can
be net producers. We were net oil producers during the
Trump administration and under our future Republican president, regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Of who it is, we would be net oil producers.

Speaker 27 (01:06:20):
Again, that's a boost to the economy and it's a
reduction in the regulatory burden. So it's a one two
punch in reducing the amount of money that Americans don't
have in their pockets to be able to spend on
things that they need like diapers shortages, formula shortages, and
other things that we're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Paying nine times more.

Speaker 27 (01:06:38):
The cost of eggs is nine times higher during the
Biden administration than it was under the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
All Right, we're going to go to a quick break.
I want to continue this conversation on the other side, HEADO,
Doctor Malvau with doctor Devina had questions they wanted to articulate.
But however, on this point of there being socialist governments
in the UK, the UK has been under the Conservative
government for over a decade now. The last five Prime
ministers have been from the Conservative Party aspposed to Labor.
So I would like to dive in a little bit

(01:07:05):
about the differences between the Many budget introduced by Liz
Truce prior to her resignation, and before we dive in,
we're gonna talk about that. On the other side of break,
you're watching Rolling mart If there's streaming live on the
Black Star Network. We'll be back after the break.

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Hatred on the streets a horrific scene white nationalist rally
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White people are moving there there.

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See the lives where I call white minority resistance. We
have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot
tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 25 (01:07:50):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 28 (01:07:56):
Every time that people of color had made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been But Carold Anderson at
every university calls white rage as a backlash.

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Says the right of the proud boys and the Boogaaloo
boys America.

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There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
It's all the proud boy of God.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
This country is getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 22 (01:08:21):
The few that they're taking our job, they're taking our resources,
they're taking our women.

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Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Welcome back Rolling Martin on Filter streamingline on the Blackstern Network. Also,
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We have to make sure we get wore a thousand
lights so Rolling when he gets back from the golf course. Note,
we were had to put it into work. Over here,
we're still talking to Stacey Washington, host of Stacey on
the Right, and so before the break, we were talking
a little bit about the economic policies of present some
of the Republican candidates versus that of President Biden's current administration.

(01:09:55):
And you're discussing the comparison between the American levels of
inflation versus some of the European governments. What would be
a proper comparative model If UK, if France, of Germany
aren't models who compared to, who will certainly compare the
American economy to with regards to inflationary presses on the market.

Speaker 27 (01:10:16):
So, first off, if we're comparing, I like to compare
two previous years of ourselves, So I would not compare
our country to much tinier countries in Europe where they've
formed a European Union to mimic our model. They don't
have the same GDP. Each of our states has similar
or greater GDPs to those of European nations. So standalone

(01:10:38):
comparisons between one European nation and the entire country of
America are not apples to apples comparisons. And you mentioned
that there have been conservative governments who've been running the UK,
but that does not control their actual economic policy. Those
are elected officials and they enact policy, but it doesn't
change the structure of their government. They are social in nature,

(01:11:00):
and we are a free market, capitalistic society. So they
have single payer for healthcare.

Speaker 13 (01:11:06):
We do not.

Speaker 27 (01:11:07):
We have a free market healthcare system. So the comparison
is not accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
And that when you say you want to compare America
to previous years, are you comparing it to previous years
specifically during the pandemic? Are you comparing it to other
periods of time when America was in a similar situations
we are now? Because I find that the math often
ends up skewed when you say, well, during President Trump,

(01:11:33):
XYZ happened. Well, you know, the world's economy was shut
down because of COVID, So it's difficult to have a
compared model set upon an outlier situation. Are any indulgences
created there to have a proper dollar for dollar economic
exchange for what was happening then what is happening now.

Speaker 27 (01:11:52):
So at the end of the Trump administration, there we
were experiencing a V shaped recovery. The economy was rebounding
and things were looking up. But there were three years
before the pandemic where we had sound economic policy and
a robust economy, near zero percent inflation and a robust
GDP growth. So there are recent times with which we

(01:12:14):
can compare the performance of the Biden administration and the
previous administration is the appropriate one to compare. And if
you take out the pandemic as an outlier, the comparison
between the two administrations is stark. Obviously, one of them
is limping along with an economy that is not growing
at the same pace, with unemployment not being at the
same levels. Obviously, the Trump economy was far better than

(01:12:36):
the Biden economy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Now, with that in mind, we have seen that during
the courts of the Trump administration, one in five dollars
ever printed in the history of United States was printed
during the Trump administration. During the trupet administration, we saw
about thirty percent of the US debt be accumulated by
the Trump administration. The Trump administration paid out direct payments
to Americans on multiple occasions. In many ways, people will

(01:13:00):
say that was a socialist government. The part of the
reason we are in the debt crisis we are right
now is because of the costs of the Trump tax
cuts were never paid for. How can we argue that
when President Trump was running up the country's credit card
that could be compared to Joe Biden, who's been paying
down the debt to the tune of two trillion dollars
over the first three years of its administration.

Speaker 27 (01:13:20):
So first off, and you addressed a number of different
issues there. So the first thing is that during the pandemic,
there were payments that were made, but those were not
enacted by Donald Trump. Those were things that were passed
through both houses of Congress, and they were bipartisan and
they were response to the pandemic. Just because they were
bipartisan doesn't mean all Americans agreed with those individual payments

(01:13:42):
that were made. It was that first in flush of
cash that took away from the robust economy and set
us up for a recession in later months. So I'm
talking about the inflationary impact of all of those additional
American dollars inside of our system.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
That was a negative.

Speaker 27 (01:13:58):
So every single thing that we saw during the Trump
years isn't something that we would agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
But it was still better, even including.

Speaker 27 (01:14:05):
The pandemic years, than what we're going through under the
Biden administration. So you named off a number of different
things there that you were kind of pingponging around the
net effects. If you compare first year to first year
of President Biden's administration in Trump's administration, the economies are
like two different universes. President Trump oversaw a robust economic growth.

(01:14:26):
President Biden crushed our oil and natural gas industry, canceled
the Keystone Excel pipeline, hit union workers where they hurt
because the majority of the Keystone Excel pipeline workers were
union workers, and then proceeded to enact actual executive orders
that hurt the oil and natural gas industry.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
And then went around begging for oil and accos.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
But hold on all this point, or you denying that
President Trump added literally trillions of dollars to the national debt,
well no intention of ever paying them off at all.
All these economic numbers are on the nation's credit card.
And now Kevin McCarthy want to cut social services. They
want to cut benefits to families, They want to cut
social they want to cut vetterroan benefits to pay off

(01:15:07):
the credit card that Donald Trump just ran off. Is
that inaccurate?

Speaker 27 (01:15:11):
No, I'm not denying that the national debt increased under
Trump as it did under every other president before him.
I am denying that the payments, the individual payments that
you mentioned were his idea.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
He signed them into laws.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
And signed them into law, So if he thought they
were a bad idea, he could have vetoed the law correct.

Speaker 27 (01:15:32):
Yeah, and then what would you have said on cable
news that he doesn't want to help people like you're
mischaracterizing the section.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Leadership is about doing what is unpopular. We're now electing
a homecoming queen. We're electing your president. If he throws
a bad idea, he could have vetoed it correct.

Speaker 27 (01:15:48):
My show, I would not talk over you, nor would
I ask a question. And before you're done answering it,
come back in with more questions or continue to make
the conversation one in which your viewers can't hear what
we're saying. So the answer to your question about the
unpaid tax cuts is that is the same spurious, incorrect
assertion that is constantly made by Democrats who want to

(01:16:09):
increase taxes that actually hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Tax increases hurt people that look like you and me.

Speaker 27 (01:16:14):
Low tax burdens don't hurt black Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
They help black Americans because.

Speaker 27 (01:16:19):
A robust economy is one in which all black Americans
can find work and begin to experience the American dream,
as you and I are already doing so. A conversation
about tax policy in this short amount of time. That
starts off with you saying that the Trump tax cuts
weren't paid for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
That's inaccurate. Of course, they were paid for.

Speaker 27 (01:16:38):
And not only was the response in the business sector
of our economy a good one, but we saw the
largest increase in people who are at the managerial level
or the retail level. The largest increase in bonuses and
pay in the history of our country happened after the
Trump tax cuts. So we can't talk about the Trump

(01:16:59):
tax cuts without noting how good they were for Black Americans.
We flourished during the Trump years. It doesn't matter what
was said on cable news. We flourished during the Trump years.
Lowest Black unemployment rate in the history of tracking that metric.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
So we can talk about the increase in the debt.
I didn't like it.

Speaker 27 (01:17:17):
It wasn't my idea of good policy, but we were
in a pandemic. It was unprecedented. People were trying to
figure out what to do. We have also seen the
debt increase under President Biden, but the biggest increase in
regulatory pressure has also occurred under Biden, and also maybe
seven billion dollars for new IRS agents to level audits

(01:17:37):
on people who earn like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You and me.

Speaker 27 (01:17:40):
People who look like you and me will be the
ones who are bearing the brunt of the audit pressure
under the new IRS reality that's brought to us by
the Democrats and the Biden administration.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
That in a Republican primary, will there's be something that
some of the other Republican candidates hit Trump on some
of these policies that they would consider any other situations socialates.
Will it's be a situation where President Trump will find
himself on the defensive against true economic conservatives who will
be against we need the policies he put in place
that did run up the national debt.

Speaker 27 (01:18:12):
It's possible, and if so, I'm sure he has some
people working on what his response to that will be.
But I'm here because you asked me to come and
talk about the primary, and I actually care just as
much about what happens to black Americans as you do.
My work in my community is for that purpose, to
advance not just Black Americans, but the wealth situations of

(01:18:34):
all Americans, to make sure that all Americans have access
to affordable healthcare, and to make sure that everyone, not
just Black Americans, but everyone can experience the true beauty
of our American experiment. People aren't trying to get out
of here, Roland, They're trying to get in. I'm sorry, Robert,
They're trying to get in. They're trying to get into
this country. So it's a great place to be, and

(01:18:54):
I want to make it even greater.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Well, on this point, as we are continually talk about
the Republican primary, I think one of the places that
it's going to be difficult for any of these candidates
it is on this issue of national security and foreign
policy experience experience. Other than President Trump, NICKI Haley seems
to have the most experience when it comes to foreign policy. However,
if you look at the Biden administration's foreign policy victories

(01:19:16):
thus far, it's an almost unassailable record. His foreign policy
record is much stronger than even his domestic policy record,
which Republican candidate would have the best chance of actually
going toe to toe with President Biden. All much of
what has happened internationally.

Speaker 27 (01:19:32):
Well, so are you referring to the botch withdrawal from
Afghanistan where President Biden left behind eighty seven billion dollars
in military equipment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I actually list every bit at all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Well, hold on, because as you said, we're not talking
over each other.

Speaker 27 (01:19:45):
One can't mention the policy. I'm an air force just
a lot about policy. I grew up overseas, and I
actually can comment on this because I wrote a whole
chapter about in my book Good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
But we're talking about when we're talking about Afghanistan, we
have to talk about Mike Pompeo and the Doha Agreement,
the agreement with the Taliban that was struck between President
Trump and the Taliban February twenty twenty, where they agreed
to leave and they agreed to take the military troops out. First. Secondarily,
all of those all of that military equipment was intended

(01:20:20):
for the Afghan army. That was the point of that equipment,
and right now the Taliban army is using that equipment
to fight isis K. They just took out and killed
the perpetrator of the suits of the attack at the airport.
So I think it's incorrect to say that President Biden
bos to withdraw when he was simply going along the
terms of President Trump's agreement of the Taliban.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Died during that withdrawal.

Speaker 27 (01:20:45):
Thirteen American soldiers died during that withdrawal. So that's thirteen
families who now do not have their family member because
we pulled a military out first. So when you say
that Trump or Pompeo signed that agreement, so anything that
was signed during the Trump years, Biden has to abide
by it. He rescinded all of the executive orders surrounding
energy on day one. He reversed the Mexico City policy.

(01:21:08):
So if he didn't think withdrawing the military first was
a good idea, all President Biden had to do was
reach out to the State Department.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Or any of those troops had already been removed. In
twenty twenty, President Lighting couldn't redeploy the troops. There were
five troops taken out and five and soldiers from Prinsident Afghanistan.
This is the point of public lecture. We can't ReadWrite.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
History military veteran.

Speaker 27 (01:21:31):
You don't have the experience that I do serving on
active duty in the military, nor your father or your
grandfather or your great grandfather as I do. You're not
married to a veteran, you don't have generations of military
service in your background. You have not sat through classified briefings,
and you never held this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
So are we saying that this was not the term
can Oha agreement that we can go through biography as
much as possible. They leave Noha Agreement, removed the US
troop from Afghanistan and released the Tabiband soldiers into the public.
A civil question, did that happen?

Speaker 27 (01:22:04):
The issue here isn't the Doha Agreement or whether or
not it happened. The issue is that Biden oversaw the withdrawal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Thirteen troops died.

Speaker 27 (01:22:11):
And we left thousands of people behind who helped us
during our time in that theater of war. It was
done incorrectly, and if Trump had overseen it, the Left
would never.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Stop talking about it.

Speaker 27 (01:22:23):
So President Biden owns the botch withdrawal, and he definitely
can't call that a foreign policy win. It was a
failure that lowered our standing in the eyes of our
partners around the world and will forever be seen as
one of the worst military extractions in the history of
military extractions ever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
But let's keep back in on this point. Was this
the agreement the President Trump and Mike Pompeo signed with
the Taliban? Did they not agree to leave that equipment
with the Taliban? Did they not agree to remove the
US troops prior to the withdrawal of the civilians. Did
they not agree to release soldiers that were held in
military prisons Taliban fighters before removing the civilians? Were those

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not the term to the Dohah agreement?

Speaker 27 (01:23:07):
I didn't At no point during this conversation have I
disagreed with you about the terms of the Doha Agreement.
My response I already gave to you, and you overtalked me.
So maybe that's why you're asking me the same question
again because you didn't hear me when I was speaking before,
because you were over talking me. But this is under
the Biden administration. It occurred on his watch. If he
disagreed with the terms of the Doha Agreement, he could

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have simply implemented a new one, as he has done
on every other policy, domestic and foreign, if he disagreed
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Thirteen troops died during.

Speaker 27 (01:23:38):
A terror attack because we did not have proper staging
for the extraction, and that happened under the Biden administration,
and blaming Trump for it as a deflection indicates weakness
on the part of the support of those who support
President Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
I don't think it's a deflection to correct the record
as to what actually happened, but I appreciate you joining
us and speaking on this topic. I think we're going
to continue to have this conversation going forward into the
primary season, and I think that when it comes to
these issues of actual policy, that's a much better place
to be at than some of the personality conflicts that
people have. I think the people need they have the
actual facts of what happened. I appreciate you for joining us.

(01:24:15):
Thank you to Stacey. Where can people find a podcast
and listen to you?

Speaker 27 (01:24:19):
My radio show is on Serious Exam Relyve from eight
to eleven pm Central every night north to southeast to west,
and my website is Stacey on theright dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Thank you soon, Stacy Washington, Stacey on the Right. For
those of you who want to tune in and listen
to her, we'll be back up to the break and
teen talking about Election twenty twenty four. You're watching Rollerbarder Unfiltered,
streaming live on the Black Star Network.

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Next on the Black Table with me Greg Call, we
look at the history of emancipation around the including right
here in the United States, the so called end of slavery.
Trust me, it's a history lesson that bears no resemblance to.

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What you learned in school.

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Professor Chris and Jopra, author scholar Amazing Teacher, joins.

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Us to talk about his latest book.

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Black Ghost of Empire, The Death of Slavery and the
Failure of Emancipation. He explains why the end of slavery
was no end at all, but instead a collection of
laws and policies designed to preserve the status quo of
racial a question.

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The real problem is that the problems that slavery and
invented have continued over time, and what reparations.

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Are really about is saying, how do.

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We really transform society right and stop racial violence which
is so endemic?

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What we need to do about it.

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On the next installment of the Black Table, right here
on the Black Star.

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Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Stay woke? All right, welcome back. Let's bring the panel
in on this discussion. Great conversation with States of Washington,
and I think we have to look at the Republican
primary also because as we see, we have very divergent
images of history and the things that happen, and unless

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we're able to correct the record, where as Mark Twain said,
or live will run around the world while the truth
they put on his past. Reason we know that because
Mark Twain never said that going to doctor debinga doctor Binga.
What was your takeaway for this conversation about what some
of the Republican talking morts are going to be for
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (01:27:10):
I felt that it was full of lies.

Speaker 11 (01:27:11):
I think she straight up lied throughout both segments, and
I feel like, really, at the end of the day,
she really represented what the Republican strategy is going to be. Deflect, deflect, deflect,
than when you get challenged just say things like, oh,
you're talking over me, not letting me finish. I thought
it was ignorant and disrespectful to come out with this
whole thing about I've been in the military, I've seen
briefings my father, who cares about where her father, grandfather,
whoever it has been centuries in the past or decades

(01:27:34):
in the past.

Speaker 7 (01:27:34):
That was ridiculous. Furthermore, she was lying about the economy.
She wasn't being straight up.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
If you're going to say that Trump was doing fine
before COVID hit, why aren't you going to talk about
how inflation was on the rise as a part of
what happened with COVID. If you're going to say that
Donald Trump brought down unemployment, why aren't you going to
look at the fact that the Obama Biden administration has
brought down the lot, you know, reduced the gap in
terms of the space between unemployment to the lowest levels,
and gave Trump the economy that that he came and

(01:28:00):
basically try to continue, which he still messed up. Why
not talk about the fact of the economy that Trump
inherited versus the economy that Biden inherited. Why not talk
about the fact she mentioned something of what we want
the government out of people's private lives, But at the
same time, they're trying to put politicians and senators into doctors' offices,
and women are trying to have abortions in these states
where they're being told that, you know, literally women have

(01:28:22):
to be told to go out into the driveway and
wait till they're about to die before they.

Speaker 7 (01:28:25):
Can get care. That sounds like an invasion of people's
private lives. She wants to talk about freedom.

Speaker 11 (01:28:29):
This is a man under Trump who band diversity hearings
way before Aman the Santis and all of these other
guys were doing book bands. So really, at the end
of the day, what she's talking about is nonsense. She's
excusing everything that happened under Trump really at the end
of the day and saying that it was something that
happened from a prior administration.

Speaker 7 (01:28:45):
And everything is Biden is doing.

Speaker 11 (01:28:47):
I mean, come on, we talk about the deficits, you
hit that that was on point. What about the military
soldiers that died under Trump and the funerals that he
never attended. Oh and by the way, should we also
not just you know, mention the fact that Trump tried
to over throw the country with an insurrection and it's
actively indicted under some of these things relating to that,

(01:29:08):
and he's supposed to be the president for Black America,
Ron the Sanmt's supposed to be America's governor.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
She lied throughout the entire segment.

Speaker 11 (01:29:15):
And it was completely ridiculous and it need to be
called out at every single level.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Doctor Malveaux. I want to turn to you because it
seems to me that these are a question so we
don't often see in cable news forcing people that to articulate, Well,
what exactly do you mean when you say President Biden
is wrong on Afghanistan, Well, this is Trump's policy. When
you say President Biden is wrong on the economy, well
these were Trump's policies were Well, how can we have

(01:29:42):
more productive conversations in the national square because often these
folk tales that we hear from the other side of
the aisle end up running wild before we can have
to get the truth out there for the American people.
And unfortunately, there's about a third of the third of
America that will buy those things lock stock and to
smoking barrels.

Speaker 12 (01:30:00):
I have never seen anyone so more amusingly myopic. I
mean I was cracking up. I literally sitting here just laughing.
One of my assistants said, what are you laughing about,
doc Archie, and Roland like, no, I'm watching and I'm laughing.
She was hilarious because not just because of the distortions,
but because of her lack of knowledge and then the

(01:30:21):
arrogance to say, well, you've never been in the military.
It doesn't matter whether you've been in the military or not,
or whether your grandfather.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
That was as I.

Speaker 12 (01:30:28):
Agree with Oble Congo, that was just absurd. But let's
just deal with a few facts. I don't know what
Republican is going to deal properly with the issue of
global warming and climate change. Much of Biden's energy policy
has to be about responsibly turning our earth to the

(01:30:48):
next generation of forty five. Basically didn't care about that
and acted as if it was a myth. His whole
administration Department of entustry, he deliberately tried to disempower people
who are looking at our planet.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
So she kept coming back to energy.

Speaker 12 (01:31:10):
The other thing she kept coming back to that was
really kind of biopic was the whole notion of the
regulatory burden.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Well, here's a regulatory burden. You outlaw abortion in how
many states? That's a regulatory burden.

Speaker 12 (01:31:23):
How many people are dying because they cannot get the
kind of health caneded.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
She's talked about thirteen military people who died, and that,
of course any military death is a tragedy.

Speaker 12 (01:31:33):
But let's talk about what we're doing to women and
children with the debt ceiling, killing people, killing people. The
so called regulatory burden is what you know. Eight states
have now passed laws to make it legal for children
children to work. At Alabama, they have twelve and thirteen
year olds working eight hours a day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Child labor laws were protected children.

Speaker 12 (01:31:59):
And this woman the regulatory burden on which you just
have the so called free market do whatever it wants to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
They jump in to regulate when they feel like it.
When it benefits them, that's when they want to regulate.
When it does.

Speaker 12 (01:32:14):
Not benefit them, when it oppresses people, then all of
a sudden, oh gee, there's too much regulation. That number
that she came up with, fourteen thousand dollars per family,
I'd like to see the math. On the other hand,
I wouldn't because I want to see math. I don't
want to see a comic book which is likely to
be well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
We're going to get from there.

Speaker 12 (01:32:31):
The whole black unemployment it became is lower now than
it was under the previous president. Black women actually just
experience the fewer unemployed Black women.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:32:44):
I could talk to you about the numbers and what's
wrong with those numbers, but using the same measures that
we used throughout, fewer unemployed Black women today than there
were than they have been in the past like decade.
So I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out on Friday.
But she convenely did not mention that fact, because of
course I was guess what a fact?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
And I mean, I just I don't even know why, Robert,
you you.

Speaker 12 (01:33:11):
Handle her well, But I don't know why we have
this comedian uh masquerading as a Republican analyst, why we
even have What did we get out of that?

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Doctor?

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
I didn't get anything out of it.

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
I mean, I just know I got I got so
my diaphragm is in pretty good shape because I laugh
for about five straight minutes, and that's what's good for
your your you know, for your glues.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
So you know I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Well, oh, doctor, I think it's crucial for us to
hear all sides, to have discussions, give people the opportunity
in a fair space to discuss the issues they want
to discuss and leave it to the viewers to determine
what they take from it. So I think we present
all sides and allowed the viewers to take from that
as well. I do want to correct the record real quickly,
for however, by sister, my older sister, Helene Patillo guarded

(01:34:05):
convoys from a right to Afghanistan or from Baghdad to
Kuwait City and the Iraq War. My eldest sister, Michelle
Patillo was a marine for twenty years. My cousin Jamiica
was in the Navy for twenty plus years. My brother
in law, the Ada Delacoon, is you know, a drill
instructor in the US United States Military. I can go

(01:34:25):
down the list. But this idea that Republicans somehow hold
the reins on national security and liberals are just sitting
around drinking Lantes and driving electric cars while they defend
the country, now that's very much antithetical to the reality
of what is going on. I think that that is
a species at best presumption to go off of Brianna,

(01:34:46):
what was your takeaway? Do you think the Republicans are
going to be able to put together a message actually
appeal to African Americans because they always say, well, leave
the Democratic plantation. They're like, okay, I'm leaving a plantation
to go nowhere where we headed, you, you know, have
a pathway forward. You think we'll track black voters.

Speaker 25 (01:35:04):
I don't see it, But I was never one of
the swing votes that would be needed. Like I said,
I watched the Tim Scott commercial. Trump just had a commercial.
It doesn't resonate with me. Actually, it seems like it
was anti black, especially coming from Scott with the cannons

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and saying, you know, it's all America instead of concentrating
on what we're talking about and being okay with saying
black America.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
We can talk about all America.

Speaker 25 (01:35:35):
But we can also talk about Black America, and so
separating that constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Bothers me.

Speaker 25 (01:35:42):
So personally, no to go into the swing vote. I
think there were several issues with it. One, you know,
we're talking about Afghanistan, but let's submit it. It's Republicans
who put us some problem in Afghanistan in the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
As you said, Trump said that.

Speaker 25 (01:35:58):
We were going to withdraw, and then Biden got stuck
with it, and so I think it's unfair characteristics of
Democrats continuously trying to clean up the Republicans' problems. And
so the first two years of even Biden is stuff
that had to deal with Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Obama was the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
King of cleaning up problems.

Speaker 25 (01:36:21):
I think about, you know, the economy crashing in the
home crisis, and so every single time, you know, we
talk about the Republicans being conservative with money, but the
debt sailings increase, increase, increase, just like you said, the
credit card gets run up, and then the Democrats have
to solve it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
She also mentioned about the irs.

Speaker 25 (01:36:43):
Right, of course, Trump is not going to increase irs
or anything else that we need to compensate for what
happened in COVID or the extra trucks that we created,
because he hasn't even paid his taxes, right, And so
we see this over and over again. If we talk
about what they're doing on the other side, they haven't
proposed anybody that I feel would actually be sound within

(01:37:08):
Black America. And you know, correct the regulatory it just
depends on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
What they want to regulate.

Speaker 25 (01:37:15):
We see that with DeSantis over and over again. Right,
we can say, oh, people when he was running for
governor again, oh, they loved him because they did he
blocked LGBT issues in school, and then you talk to
those same people and now they're upset because of Disney.
It just it's very incongruent. And so I mean, I

(01:37:36):
think that you won't see any logical answer, right if
you're trying to see why they would go to one
side or not or who they're going to pick, it's
not going to be logical. It might be a little here,
a little there, but not all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I think. I think Republican they're gonna have to get
a lot better talking points between now and the primary
because at the same time President Trump is running commercials
about Randa Santa's eating, putting with his fingers, Joe Biden
is taking nuclear submarines to South Korea in order to
stop the proliferation nuclear weapons in the Korean peninsula. While
the Randa Santis is suing Disney, President Biden is putting

(01:38:15):
bases in the Philippines. It's a serious candidate versus non
serious candidates. I think that's why it's difficult to have
messaging to kind of get around the unseeriousness of you know,
this is where goes to die, this is the anti
woke agenda. People care about national security and money, and
I don't care about your fight with Disney World. We're
going to keep this conversation going after the Breaker're watching

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Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
All right, welcome back. And in case you guys are
wondering that Donald Trump commercial about Ron de Santus eating
pudding with his fingers, that is a real commercial. I'm
not making that up. That's not hyperbole. That is literally
what he is campaigning on right now. Just look it up.
It's hilarious. But joining me now, we've got to talk
about some positive things going on to the community. My
next guests. He is on a mission to help children

(01:40:49):
with special needs feel confident and comfortable by offering them
free haircuts. It wasn't until Cincinnati's Vernon Jackson met a
frightening young boy with autism who was afraid to get
his haircut that he realized there was a need for
his services. Let's look at how Jackson makes kids kids
feel safe in his barber chair, keep saying.

Speaker 19 (01:41:14):
All you want to say, but I'm not feeling.

Speaker 23 (01:41:16):
I'm not feeling on the inside.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Oh hi to everybody. Hi, Hi, good to see you again.

Speaker 26 (01:41:32):
Yeah, here we go, mess it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Good job.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
That you're doing, an awesome job.

Speaker 8 (01:41:47):
Man, I'm so kind of you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Stop.

Speaker 26 (01:41:51):
Yes, okay, are you ready to go?

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
He buddy, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
That is outstanding. Joining me from Cincinnati, Ohio is Vernon Jets,
the owner of Noble Barber and Beauty, mister Jets, and
thank you so much for joining us tonight. What inspired
you to do this?

Speaker 29 (01:42:36):
Well, you know what happened was I had clients are
coming in doing my regular schedule who did not have
or specified that their children had different needs. And I
wanted to create a space in a time where I
was able to fully take care of those clients. And
so what end up happening was I chose one of

(01:42:57):
my Mondays off, which is I do it. Started doing
it every third Monday, and I started doing haircuts for it.
Was started off as being at a this kind of
rate to want to have enough time, so I scheduled
out thirty minutes per client and it just went from there.
People just started sharing a lot of love and wanted
to sponsor haircuts, which then transferred to the haircuts being

(01:43:22):
free because the community wanted to support.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
And So, what has been the community response to As
a child I found out later on in life, I
was on the autism spectrum. That wasn't really a thing
in the eighties. It's called you bad or weird? But
what has been the community's response to having someone like
this who's able to kind of connect with these young
men to help calm them. My experience was a little

(01:43:49):
bit different. Just my mom therefore switch told me to
sit down and shut up. That was a little bit traumatic.
How old does the community responded to you having this
more gentle approach and were helping them have their confidence
and understanding to be able to sit down and sit
still and kind of go through this process.

Speaker 29 (01:44:05):
Well, let me tell you, the community has been behind
this thing one hundred percent, both in person and online
with their donations, with their support messages, and you come
to find out that so many people resonate with the
story because they have because someone we all know, someone
in our family, has a different need. And what I

(01:44:27):
love about the videos that I post, about the experiences
that I share is that it's that they're humanizing the
experience of people with different needs so much so that
even my event, when we calling it the Gifted Event,
parents are booking their child, or when they book their

(01:44:48):
child and it reach out to me they say, or
you think, or even when they are in boxing on
social media they say, hey, my child is gifted talking
my book, or when I see someone out like yo,
your videos gave me different perspective on being more patient
around kids with autism or whatnot. This has been a
beautiful experience all the way around, so that the public has

(01:45:11):
been in the community has been behind us one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
Absolutely, I want to bring our panel in Doctor Debnga,
did you have a question.

Speaker 11 (01:45:19):
Well, first of all, I want to commend you on
the work that you're doing. It's truly important as relates
to our young people.

Speaker 7 (01:45:26):
I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 11 (01:45:28):
As an educator I see that there are so many
challenges with students who may come to school and may
not have the nicest hair coute or the nicest clothes,
and the stigma that may get attached to that. But
these are things they just don't have access to. Can
you talk about some of the challenges that you've seen
as it relates to the population that you're working with
of young people who may feel disheveled or dismayed because

(01:45:51):
they cannot they haven't been able to get that fresh
haircut and having stuff looking the way.

Speaker 7 (01:45:55):
That they want to look, even at a young age.
I'm assuming it's been a problem for them.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Right absolutely.

Speaker 29 (01:46:01):
I'm glad we brought that up because a lot, you know,
one of the driving forces that propels me and doing
this is a lot of the children that come to
me they hadn't had a haircut in months and some
maybe in a year, so in a professional setting because
their experience inside a barbershop or salon, because you know,

(01:46:24):
let's let's face the reality is, you know, we all
have a unique way that we need to be loved,
and uh, my gifted children they just require a different
level of being intentional and everyone isn't going to get that.
And so you know, a lot a lot of the
stories that I hear, I'm like, there their they get

(01:46:48):
the experience if their last like well, I tried everyplace else.
I've seen this guy on TikTok. Let me go see
you know how he does it, and you know, it's
a beautiful thing. When when I'm not exaggerating, one of
the the most common responses is, my child has never
sat this still in a chair.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Like the parents come in on edge because they're used to,
you know, running.

Speaker 29 (01:47:16):
Like even the video with Ellison, the young the young man,
the seven year old kid that I we went voral
together like she was his mam was on edge because
they've always left out in tears, sweaty, everyone is upset.
So it's so it's really been one of those experiences
where I'm able to again give the experience that these

(01:47:42):
families loan to experience and making a challenge that they
had experienced before.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Not so much even in a way.

Speaker 29 (01:47:52):
That I won't even allow them to apologize for what
their child is doing inside of you know, like no,
like this is not the place for you to apologizing further.
You're welcome here, Doctor Malvo.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
First of all, thank you so very much for your work.

Speaker 12 (01:48:07):
Autistic young people I think are all too often hopefully
misunderstood by dear Fred Orriever. Martin has started an organization
called a Special Needs Network where they basically raise funds
and do things and provide support for autistic children and
their families. And I want to underline the family's part,
which your patience is just really so important, because the

(01:48:30):
families have to be sometimes very frustrated with a child
that won't be still that you know basically is march
into the beat of a different drummer. What do you
actually do to build both all the child and assure
the parent.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
That they're going to be okay, that's a great question.

Speaker 29 (01:48:48):
One of my favorite things to do is I just
I see them for where they are and allow them
to be where they are as a human being, and
I don't push them to how I want them to act,
which is one of the things I talk to their
parents about as well, is that we're not here to
force them and to make them into what we want

(01:49:09):
them to be. That's what becomes frustrated with the experience,
because what we're doing is we're trying to make them
into something that they don't have the capacity for so
what I so when I'm cutting their hair, I moved
with them, I move around them. I am you know,
when they turn, I turn it if they turn it.
So if I'm doing even a haircut, I'm going to
do in one area and the child moves the opposite direction,

(01:49:30):
I'm going to cut the part of the head that
they give me. So you know, it's more than just
It became more than me cutting cutting hair. It also
became something that I was I was speaking life into
the parents to know, like you're like, this is a
beautiful like you're in a beautiful in a beautiful experience

(01:49:51):
either amazing even the best that you can and you're
not doing it by yourself. I'm glad to be a
part of your community and doing so.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
We've got about a been that like Brehonn, did you
have a question? Okay, I think we love for so
this is outstanding. We'd love to see this replicated around
the country. How can people find out more about you?
How can they follow you on social media? You know?
How can barbers out there who are seeing this recreate

(01:50:18):
this and other urban areas? You know?

Speaker 29 (01:50:21):
Right now, my social media on TikTok and on Instagram
is the best, the number one in the word period
and in my bio you can definitely see all my
information both at the barbershop and we get it and
also the book and get the haircut. Can visit the
giftedevent dot com. And right now I'm looking, you know,

(01:50:42):
when it terms of partnerships, I want to travel around
the country to be able to work in shops to replicate,
and to work with barbers and shops to kind of
give them a lesson or just you know, work with
doing haircuts with them. They can see how it is
I'm doing. At one point in time, I was even
looking me and my friend who's he was in Houston.

(01:51:03):
Her name is Angelica. She does what I do it
in Houston. She's amazing as well. And we want to
be able to travel around and do this thing. And
so whatever partnership that we that that opens up, we
are definitely going to invest that energy in doing something
right now. I've been creating infrastructure that supports that vision
so that way it doesn't fall to the wayside and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Not just another viral video.

Speaker 29 (01:51:27):
And we are I'm definitely intentional about taking this to
the next level.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
So right. So the answer to fully answer your question
as being is being built, Well, we really appreciate every
thing that you're doing. I want people to remember, stop
calling little black boys bad stuff, calling little black boys
managed understand that the same social emotional issues. If everyone
else black boys have ADHD, black boys have autism, treat
them with care and compassion, and maybe you grow up

(01:51:54):
and raise caring and compassionate kids. If you teach them
that their emotion for results of them get it beat
all the time, then you grow up with angry and
emotional and violent children. And so the active actions of
people like mister Jackson are was needed to bring up
a generation more gentle and compassionate young black boys that
we want to have going forth. Thanking someone with mister
Jackson for everything that you doing well. I think our

(01:52:16):
panel today, doctor Julia m. Malvau, doctor Debna uh Rihanna Cartwright,
who had to leave us, thank you the roling for
let me keep his seat warm. I'm sure he is
enjoying nine or sixteen. I've never played golf, so I
don't know how many holes you get sixteen twenty holes,
however many it is. Hopefully he's having a time out there,
uh and follow me on all social media at Robert
Pato's and people passing them Hall Sunday thirteen eighty w

(01:52:38):
alkay and now I say every soon of the words
skills got here and the matter the consequences said, You've
got to hold on to your dreams, hold on to
your dreams of America.

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Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
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Speaker 13 (01:52:57):
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Speaker 24 (01:52:59):
Our hold I thank you for being the voice of
Black America rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
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Speaker 27 (01:53:04):
Almore meant now we have to keep this going.

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
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