Gilles Marini

He sizzled on the big screen in Sex and the City and turned up the heat on Season 8 of DWTS, almost taking home the Mirrorball Trophy! 

The one and only Gilles Marini joins the pod to chat about his time as Cheryl's dance partner, and there's so much inside scoop to get to! Including the injury he kept hidden, the duo's hot chemistry, what he said in Cheryl's defense that got him a lot of heat, regretting doing the All-Stars show, and she goes there . . . Cheryl confronts Gilles about the rumor he asked for Peta as a partner in Season 15 instead of her. 

Plus, how Gilles brought out the best in Cheryl when she needed it the most, a revealing rapid-fire Q&A, and the risqué audition move he used for Sex and the City that helped him land the gig! That's just the tip of the iceberg with this fully loaded-episode! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with me. Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio Podcast. Welcome back to Sex Lies and
Spray Tns. Get ready to peel back the curtain to
reveal the inside story of a man who captured hearts
across the globe, not just with his fluid moves on
Dancing with the Stars, but also with his charismatic presence

(00:22):
in a film that defined a generation's view on love
and friendship in New York City. His journey from the
picturesque French riviera to the sparkling dance floors of America
tells a tale of resilience, talent, and the relentless pursuit
of dreams. Today, we're joined by another one of my
amazing partners, who has definitely taken the heat from both
his fellow competitors and fans when it came to his

(00:44):
competitiveness and the intensity with which he approached the show.
I have to say that season eight was a special
one for me personally, as I believe that my next
guest brought out the best in me, especially when I
needed it most, Specifically, after a season where I dealt
with my own public scrutiny about my weight so for that,
I'll always be in deep gratitude for our time together.

(01:04):
Please welcome my friend Gill Marini to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Ge, how are you man?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh my gosh, you look exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, surgery Hollywood. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
You got out your whole face reconstruction right here.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
To be super fair? Yes four times really yeah, nobody
knows that and four times before you even met.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
You because of your fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
And none so good fighting and also firefighter, I got
hated by something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, welcome to sex size and sprays hands. My love
has been so long.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thank you so much, Robin. I love it. Congratulations for
everything you do. It's great and it's really I love
you did this after the show like that. I think
it's it's it's super cool and you can really be
yourself and say the things that you need to say,
and I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's very therapeutic, I have to say everyone that has
been on so far's it gives us the time, you know,
Like you know, on the show, we go like we're
like talking and then like you go in and out
and we have to focus on our what we have
to do, and at this gives people just enough time
to let it all out. First of all, I haven't
seen you since that Ed Sheeran concert, remember back in

(02:20):
twenty seventeen. I think it was seven years and that
was like a quick high too.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's too fast. And at the same time, since around
that's seventeen eighteen nineteen, times everything accelerated and I didn't
realize all that time went by because we kind of
did nothing for it. I mean, ish the Hollywood people
for a bit, just because of the pandemic, the pre pandemic,
the after pandemic, and the strike and in sher until

(02:49):
today there's really no production going on because everybody's freaking out.
So my world is being a bit weirdly shattered. And
let's see if he gets back in place, but I'm
sure it will be is never the same, but right
right right, it's interesting what's happening. But since that time,
I know time's flown and I don't know where it's been.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, no, exactly. As I get older, time flies, but
it definitely goes fast. So I like to start out
each conversation with my guests with asking who is Jio
Marini behind the People magazine cover, behind the mirror ball
glittered spray t hand? You know, who are you?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wow? Who is Jim Morini behind it? You know, it
would not surprise a lot of people. I think I'm
just like everybody else. I am the absolute luck that
this dude has is as actors, if you work one
hundred percent of the time, you are zillionaire. It doesn't
work that way. You know, seventy percent of the time
you don't work. You're waiting for your next work or

(03:50):
you preparing your next work. So a lot of time
at home. And want to come across with is you know,
George and Treela'm my kid and.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Carol they're not kids anymore.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Now I want to tell you what George is doing.
Now you're gonna go what. But it's it's very interesting
to say, like, I'm really blessed. I spent my entire
adult life feeling not working, feeling like being home and
taking care of of the things that I love to
take care of, like could be gardening and building new homes.

(04:22):
And I love to be busy with things, you know
that and learning new things has always been some of
my favorite things to do. So it's not I just
turned forty eight and then literally if somebody said I'm
going to teach you this tomorrow to fly, I would
be so excited and I would just go fully on it.
So this is kind of who I am behind closed door.

(04:44):
I love to never stop moving and make people look
ignoxious here sometimes.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
But it's okay, I'm turning forty next month. I stop it.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
No need to speak from Cheryl Burke. You know, forty
is not fair if everybody does like.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
What you said, this is forty. What are people's biggest
misconception about you? You think.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
That it's all easy because you have charming eyes here
you go. Yeah, No, life is extremely difficult for everybody.
There is, of course things that it's harder to rise against.
And a lot of people think that, oh my god,
it just came out of the moment, everything was given

(05:31):
to him. That is always something that makes a little
bit and tip me off. And like I think, if
you have a problem, you don't want to hear what
I went through. And everybody has something and a lot
of time just because you're in this industry and you
have to prep yourself correctly and be trying to be
as centsirist as possible, not to be every day canceled you.

(05:53):
You you you have people like looking at you. It
must have been so easy for you, so it's it's
some time a little bit difficult.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I guess for me, it's more about like so that
people can, you know, find your story inspirational like I do.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean you you wrote something about you and
and and guess what you're gonna have to do other
books because.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's the second one coming.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You see. I thought when all this happened to me
and doing then with the start and that's the Sex
and the City and all this. A lot of people
from France like, yo, you got to tell your story.
No one from France haven't ever ever done this. I'm like,
oh cool, Well when I retire what I'm done with everything,
maybe I will, so I'm reserving it more. I try

(06:37):
to really like make people and inspire people every day
of my life. Of course because as kid, I got
a shugar, right example one of them. But yeah, it's
interesting because a lot of people is asking why don't
you just tell said, say to everyone what happened and
your story is very interesting and inspires and all that.

(06:59):
But I always felt like maybe in my late fifties,
I will if the things that I thought that I
think are coming, then it would be a little bit
more a warner, and yeah, story.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Can feel I hear you. I think it's I mean,
that's why I am so open. Some people may think
I overshare, but for me, there's always that intention to
help others because I when I was younger, Yeah, I
wish that I had someone that I looked up to
as well when I was going through what I was
going through, and there was not one person I heard from,
so it was very lonely.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know, Wow, you're hitting. Yeah, what you just say
is sometimes what happened to entertainers. A lot of people say,
oh my god. Every day must be five thousand people
saying what can I do for you to make you
feel better? No, it is a very lonely place because
everybody looks at you as you are invincible. You have everything,

(07:56):
and you should never bitch about anything. But we just
like other humans. We're going through life, the ups and
downs every day.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely, and under a microscope. So maybe it's
a little bit pressure.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, you and I cannot say the things that sometimes
we would love to say. It's yeah, the world we
live in, so we have to go to it.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
I think I think I've been saying a lot, actually,
and I haven't gotten the procession and I continue to.
I continue to.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love that. And if you don't get affected by
please do so. I mean I'd love to, but yeah,
you know you will.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, but teach their own you know, yeah, take
me and my listeners. I guess going back to Sex
and the City, right, the audition process? Now, what what
did that entail? Exactly? Because I've never even asked you this.

(08:53):
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, so, oh my god, what happened?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is telling me the truth?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah? Yeah? Nothing but the truth here? When I want
to tell the truth, and I know it's dangerous, I
would say, should I play fit? That's what I want
to say.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
No, none on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
No, first, let's go there. No, you know, I came
here like man, My wife Carol was cutting hair and
saving a little bit of money to buy me middle
schoolers so I could go to the audition a little
faster because I was surprised very much when I arrived
in La that to go to Hollywood from the valleys
nineteen hours drive, so I just want to go around traffic.

(09:30):
And then so next thing, you know, my manager called me.
He said, you have an audition for Sex and the
City and I'm like, Sex and the City is done
for three years now. He's like, no, it's a movie
and I need I had lines when I thinks, so
I went to little hotel. I think it's a long
down hotel if I remember correctly. And next thing, you
know this all these guys I keep hearing them like
trying to try a women very American way anyway, Sorry guys,

(09:54):
but I just decided to flip it and to be
more like absolutely at door and I'm doing and I'm
really keen controlling side of what she was prior during
Sex and the City because now in the movie she
is the married one.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So you knew what you were going in for, Like
you knew that this was gonna be okay, I got it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I knew the show and you so honestly I
did the opposite of the other guys. And when the
callback happened the first time I ever took the first
flight ticket flight to New York, I turned the chair
to pretend the chair was the back of a female
that I was having fun with, yet wearing only a

(10:32):
jockstrap in front of like ten executives. You yeah, me
super shy. I'm like like, oh no, so I did
what I needed to do. I get all blurry.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
The jockstrap, what color was it?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
What? I never wore one? When they told me that,
I didn't understand what they meant. So I was trying
to understand what they meant. And then I went to
a place some Big five and butt one. It was
the most I bought a jock strap at Big five,
and he started my career.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh god, thanks to Big Five. They should now give
you free jock straps for life.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah yeah, those things. I wore this and then I
never wore it again.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's right, because you guys don't do that. It's friends.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, not really, no, no. The only time I ever
wore this is because it was to protect my things
when I'm.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Sparring or dancing a dance we call a dance belt.
Oh oh, you didn't see. You didn't wear that, you
were free balling anyho. Going back to the audition, okay.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So yeah, so next thing you know, they I didn't
have the time to go down the auditional process. They
were calling me said we want you. So I was
really excited on the way back to the flight, was
really comfortable on the way back, and you know, the
movie came out and I.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Say, what did you do to the back of the chair.
I needed to know, Oh, so I took a chair.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Let me see. We need to see on the chair
and to pretend that I have a woman in my
arm and I'm making love in a way. You know.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So you were like grind dry humping the.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Chair, not really dry humping the chair. What I did
is that? Oh but that because everybody.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Else you were like you were magic miking it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I was more giving the same attention, giving attention to
women that needed to get attention.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So you're doing like an Argentine tango with it.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It was. It was a lot of It was a
lot of a feeling that usually people don't come across.
In addition, they.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Did they ask you to pull your jock strap down.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
No, they did it for real when we shot it.
You know that. And you know what's funny there? The
goal that was really you Yeah, yeah, it was no
CGI back then, but I'm sure it was, but they
didn't use it. This is what happened. It was January.
It was freaking freezing, freezing, So you know what happened

(13:00):
when he's freezing?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, I can only imagine and next thing.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, you know, I told he gets blurry for me. Sure,
when I'm acting, it's blurry. It's my scene is a
to B. I don't care what's in the middle. I
get right, super simple as a man who thinks this
way was very libertine, who plays kind of king contrel
back then I turn around and I said, this is

(13:24):
who you came to look for, and this is who
I am. That's why I turned. And it was not
planned to turn. So that's why they saw what they
saw and they kept it.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
How many takes couple?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Nothing big, No, it was one day. What was weird
was more of the time went by because it was
one day in Malibue or two days in Malibue, and
it was a lot of boats. And one of the
guys was Jones like, hey, all this is paparazzi. I'm like,
I'm butt naked.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, on a dailymail dot com.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Probably I didn't look at it.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Wait, so did they have body makeup person on you?

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Like? Remember, oh my, that was amazing. It was body
makeup on Dancing with the Stars, for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
But not on set on Sex in the City.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't remember that. That was just put it down.
The guy who hold the guy who was holding my
towel was named John. I would never forget. He was
a boom guy with a long zzy top beer over me.
I'm in the shower because you see what's behind the scene.
And then this guy is holding the tower and he
looks in my eyes. You say, Dorry, the first towel

(14:32):
drop is the worst. Then it's cool, and he dropped
the tout. You're like he shrunk a bit.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean it was cold, mind you. Was there tension
on set? Do you remember, like from the whole Kim
Cattrell and Sarah.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I remember, like you know, of course, like I'm really
tiny bit that that that thing.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I'm just right, of course from.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Everything, but I can feel it thing. I just suffer it.
And at the end of the day, look, time time
goes by. People here. They had problems between I don't
know really what happened between them. The media and makes
it a lot bigger than I'm sure it is for sure,
But you know, everybody has his ways and everybody their things.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
She wasn't in that scene, right, Sarah. Jessica Parker was
not there.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Probably no, it wasn't. I met everybody at the party
in the premiere, and I never felt anything wrong. You know,
we own professionals. Sometimes people get along with people, sometimes
they don't. But I think I want to tell you
the PTSD.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That because there's a lot I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
The first time that I saw that and I realized
the tensions were real and those people who actually explode
your current pieces and that's it. You know, I was
really worried. I'm like, I'm not a state. Whatever you
say is wrong. I stayed away and I'm studying that.
I never really wanted to have, like make a super
cool relationship with the people I work with because of that.

(16:03):
That gave me that And one time I got one
of the most hits ever is because of you show.
Excuse me, Yeah, I heard you're we can say everything
here right anything, check this out. One time you were
getting so much hapefa sho. Birke's getting whatever the.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Weight Yeah, no, it was the weight thing.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, I'll point my mouth, I say, if I want
to say it again, I want to get pulled. If
every woman looks at Cholbert, that'll be fine. And I
just say that because honestly, what the hell everybody anybody
was talking about.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
My intro is about this was like how you came
into my life at a time where I needed you
the most because it was coming off of that weight
where I was being plastered on every magazine cover on
like literally I turned on the television and they're talking
about my weight and it's like and then it went
from that season and which was just PTSD talk about PTSD,

(17:00):
still going through it, and then it was with you,
and you brought out the best in me as far
as like my work goes, and I was able to
like prove myself again, I guess you know, and it
was a really vital time for me. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You are truly I mean, I know people are there
know that Cheryl Berke is a mad professional. You get
like I want this and this needs to go, and
that I could respond really well because as you know,
I've never danced to day in my existence.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
And then shut up. We're not even there yet.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
But think about it.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Jill, you were so good.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I mean you you you tell me that, dude. The
first two days I was again.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
No, you were not, Jill, Jill, I know exactly believe me.
I've did. I've had twenty four partners, like Okay, and
you were, hey, look we were able to work on
the detail. And I just heard an interview with that
you did maybe a couple of years ago, but I
just heard it like a few days ago. And you
said in this interview that you would rent a studio

(18:07):
and you would go Gill. We were already practicing for
so many hours.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I know I was no, but it was.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
It obviously helped.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
So what I what I do? I didn't really rent it.
I don't want to say it ran.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wait, tell my listener, tell my listeners what we're talking
about here.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
So Cheryl is a monster of dedication and she doesn't
want to leave a word to the unknown. If I
don't do it well, I don't do it well. Thing
thinking all the time, I got it, and it was
so amazing for me because I was for free and
getting made I guess right, No, not yet learn from

(18:44):
the best on earth. The thing that I will never
be able to even think about doing it to have
is that as a craft you get me dancing. Nobody
else did that. Do I love dancing? I did I
maybe have some rhythm because I loved doing the club
when I was ten. But you gave me the understanding

(19:07):
of the speaking part of dancing through your movement and
the love, the passion, the desperate, the anger, story whine,
the storyline. For me, it was completing what an actor
should be. And besides the singing, I'm okay with it,
not great. I absolutely would love to touch a lot
of things you gave me dancing and that I can

(19:29):
never thank you enough for me. So what I did
after the show, because I was so not secured inside
of me, I was going to l a fitness and
this guy that I knew then there's no classes at
ten pm. The Elly Fitness Dance was open twenty four hours.
So I was sneaking in the dancing with you know,

(19:51):
the poles in the middle that's shut the lights, close
my eyes.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
This was after rehearsal. You would do this like after
our eight hour rehearsal. This was so this was back
in the day when there's no rules, Like there's rules
now there's only four hours a day, but like with
us back then, I know, don't even get me started,
I know. And it's like so obviously people are going
to go and rent studios because like you can't get
anything done for hours, especially with the quality of movement

(20:16):
that they're expecting, and then on top of it they
have interviews and all of that, and so AnyWho, we
also would do that, like we went we did extra, right,
we did extra on top of the extra, and then
you did extra extra. Yeah, behind my back.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
That was not secure, you know. I was. I was
really scared and I just wanted to have the dance
as one. I know all the states. I don't care
and not funny enough when they call my name, every
dance faded away from my brain. Yeah, and it was old,
robotic and it was old. Honestly, it was old about
this moment, this minute and a half that we had.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
The present moment. Isn't that crazy? Like that's what they say.
The fourth state of consciousness is it's like when you're
really so present that anything else, like you are so like,
but also you've developed muscle memory, like you can't hit
that unless you're comfortable enough to where you understand what's.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Next, right exactly why I was.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, I hear you. One time it worked.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
One time. It's two thirty in the morning, I'm like,
I'm going to take the shower after this. Nobody's there,
so I leave my shoes. I had to walk home.
Without shoes. Somebody stole me.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Someone stole your dance, your dance with.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
The stars in the morning or the ship that I.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Wait, your shoes, shoes or your dance shoes. Oh my god,
they must have sold that for a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I still have two bears.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
After Sex and the City, you were basically named the
sexiest man alive for People magazine. Correct. Is it after
Sex in the City or after Dancing with the Stars?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
He was up to you.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh, well, you're welcome. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Because he's such a passionate sho know, and and and
you and I had okay, we had that thing without
having that thing chemistry, the world was like.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, for sure, everyone thinks I definitely jumped your bones,
and it's just not the case.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
He was you work with this young man.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh my god, let's not mention names.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I know he was on the other side, I was,
I was, but my.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Ex boyfriend, I mean, shout out to him, but we
don't need to mention names.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Got it. And it was for me it was more
I just wanted you to be at peace, and it
was very turbulence just for you and and and for me,
it was just like lesson I'm gonna I was, I'm
gonna have lessons every day, and it was it was
tough for you to get I was distracted all the hate.

(22:47):
So that's what I said. To go back to it.
I just say, like, if every woman looks like you,
I'll be just fine. Well, every woman who didn't look
like you killed me.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Really, oh my god, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
And anybody that could not get weight will kill me
like like a completely abmitted them. I didn't omit them.
I was saying very loud, to stop being violent with
your word towards Cheryl. She's a beautiful being enough, that's
what I should have said. No, I say if anybody
looks if everybody looks at show, I'd be happy just
because I said that, because I wanted to calm the world.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
It worked on my behalf, so thank you, but may
not have worked in your favor.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Now if I say that, I'm sure in jail.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
No, now, there's no way. First of all, my weight
wouldn't be the center of any cover of magazines now to.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
The media will also realize that they are the.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
One when this to get but they would get canceled,
like straight up, you don't talk about anyone's weight, Like,
I mean, people still look, they still social like what's
socially acceptable? Still? You see it, whether they say it
in front of your face or not. You see people
who are very skinny and you know, not relatable to
most of America. That's just the way it is. Then
you get Okay. Do you remember when I first met you.

(24:01):
We were on an airplane to Chicago. Yeah, Gill, I didn't
know so I hadn't watched sex in the city. We
were going to this I think we were going to
the same event you were with Jana.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Is her name Jannah? Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So she are you still working with her?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So I see her sometimes? No, we don't work together.
She stopped doing that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
So we were flying first class because we're bougie and grateful,
privileged hashtag privileged. And I just remember hearing your voice
and then my friend goes, look at that hot guy,
and I was like, oh, And I was single at
the time. I wasn't dating my ax right then. And
and then someone was like, all right, I heard vers
and saying this guy who says that's the guy from

(24:41):
I was like, I hadn't seen the movie yet, and
I did not know then that you were going to
do the show. Did you know?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know, I didn't know. In the last second, you know,
they told me, hey, would you want to do that?
Same with the Stars, So let's get a meeting. I
got a meeting. Then from the meeting they said we
want you. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to do it.
I was a little worried because I just finished something
with on niptok with and it's that Red Grave and
I felt like, Okay, this is my craft. I'm in
love with what I do. But actors, especially then, they

(25:11):
forgot that the more you see you, you as in
an interview on the show like Dance with the Stars,
because it's a reality show, they see you. So if
the producing side of things does not alternate your being,
then they see you. And I think America the first
time over really fell in love with a different type

(25:32):
of guy, like someone that comes from another place, who's
trying everything to and love the country and this and that.
So I think they fell in love with with with
that person that that was me. And Dancing with the
Stars is really good for that because it is you
that people.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
See your vulnerability.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, and then you're good and the bad and everything
they see everything.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Did you feel like strip naked a little bit? Not literally,
you've already done that, but like I meant like, because
you are an actor. And this is what I've always
said that with actors, I find that there is something
that is difficult that I find during rehearsals, for example,
versus an athlete. It's the fact that the whole I
guess what people's impression, right, Like they're very aware of

(26:17):
the camera, but they're not used to the camera like
as well, like capturing this reality because you also, you know,
as an actor because I married one, no longer married,
but I married one, and I remember it's like this
whole persona right that, Like you don't want to reveal
too much, and yet you sign up for a show
like Dancing with the starvice you shouldn't do that. Then
you shouldn't sign up for dancing if you're not ready

(26:39):
to be completely vulnerable and be ready to just have
ups and downs, because if you're trying to hide it
behind the glitter, it ain't going to work for you.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
In your favorite you can smell it from a mile
when someone is on you can see I was reading myself.
I mean, we all we are talking about two thousand
and nine. We're talking about season eight.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
We're talking two thousand and eight or nine nine, thank.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
You, we're talking about that moment, that moment who changed
my life. I only have positive memories of these moments.
The first the first time I did it. I was
really worried about doing the second time Stars. I didn't
want to do that at all. And then when they say,

(27:21):
what do you mean you do it? You got to
do it? So you do it, and yeah, no, I
love the first time. You know, sometimes you do things
once and you don't touch it again.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Right, No, yes, I understand because it's never gonna it's
never like your first time. Same with my season, like
my very first season. Then you start to build expectations
and then when they don't exceed your expectator in general,
like in general and life in general. When so when
you got the show, had you watched Dancing with the
Stars at all? Or no, you didn't know what this was. No,
you didn't hear about it.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm like, one night in front of my so man
got a haughty man, looked at that man with that
TV Katty Monoco is.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
On, Oh yeah, the first season.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
That was it. For a minute, I watched it and
that was it. You know what, Cheryl, When I did
Dancing with the Stars, everything hit the fence right, popularity worldwide.
Oh my god, you know that more than anyone. Next thing,
you know. I still live in a little bedroom with
a big window.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
On Laurel Canyon. Is it Laurel Kay close.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
To Lok Yeah? Well literally people could walk in and
see me. Really, so thank you again. I moved out
right after that.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Oh good, I thought you were still there. Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I needed to thank you many times. That's one of them.
I moved from any the one bedroom to a beautiful man.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I'm so first of all, I am. I love you
and your family so much. Like I think, look when
you started doing this whole like Hollywood life of yours, right, like,
I don't think it wasn't known in the beginning. Hence
why there were rumors about us that you were married
with a beautiful wife with Carol, Like like, I don't
think it was publicly maybe not as talked about. I

(29:03):
don't know if that was an intentional thing or whatever
it is. It doesn't matter. But like, just let's just
let's just mean, let's just tell every Let's just tell
everyone like nothing has ever happened physically between us. We
were very close intimate like in that sense, like we
were great friends. We went through our ups and downs, right,
we definitely had chemistry like either you had You can't

(29:25):
teach that, like you either have it with someone or
you don't. And it was hot, like it was one.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know that if a man's around you. I mean,
I extremely like if I can't say something about myself
is because every day to you not simple. I'm still
a dude.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Oh never forgot, Jill. You told me that you could
draw my privates after our U after our season. You're like,
that's remember when I said that.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I know it was weird. People will not understand, but
you're laying.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Exactly. I was like when you told me this, I
was like, say what You're like, yeah, I could outline,
I could trace it. I could outline. Now I'm like,
oh my god, that was definitely.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I was in printed in my brain. Yet I have
never seen it naked.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
So when you did Dancing with the Stars, what did
they tell you, Like did it consume your life? Like
my I know, but my listeners like, how was the process?
Were you shocked? Shell shocked by how much work it was.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
He was like, oh, yeah, so let me explain deep. Yeah.
So sometimes you really want to come across with things
that it's important to you, either your story or some things.
And what we sometimes don't understand it's a TV show.
It's a show that has to be clear fast and
this and that. What I didn't really dig it is

(30:49):
some time, let's just come across it. Sometimes you don't
want to say things and things and you know, sometimes
you want to say something but you can't write no,
You're going to say that instead, and that airs, and
then little by little your character is now changed. People
look at you like special if you kid the second

(31:09):
time over every week when my package was showing, it
was look at this little idiot so much in love
with a marriage. It was making fun of I mean,
if you please do me a favor, if you go
back to it, you look at it and said, oh,
they really want him gone. Every time there was a
video about me or something negative the entire season, I
never felt like something is wrong here. I'm gonna step

(31:30):
aside a bit because when we're rehearsed, they're waiting for
a moment of like ah to put that in to really.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Make that so they manipulated your package. This is what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
On my father too. And I never liked this. It
was that was more saying. Even my wife was saying,
I hope he kill out tomorrow because every time I
watched this package, I know it's not you. I know
this is really Oh it was tough the second time over.
I even want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
My first time was we're going to talk about it.
This is going to be a therapy session, but not yet.
We're going to talk about us first. How about the
first time around. Was it difficult for you to do
this because you were coming from you're an actor, like
you're not necessarily used to the reality side of things.
Was it hard for you to be vulnerable?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, it was. It was hard. It was hard for
I was worrying. The way I grew up. People think
no things. Some people don't know things. I just arrived.
I didn't want to, you know, share too much things,
and then everything is your entire life is under a microscope.
My kid at school, I couldn't go anywhere anywhere for

(32:34):
a long time in school to just see my kid
because it was a circus. You know. One of the
saddest things happened to me is once I flew to
New York to pay respect for the people in ninety eleven,
something I like to do. When I was there, somebody
tapped my shoulder and say you should leave now, And
I say, why, what's going on? I say, you're disturbing
the piece what I swow my eye? It was not

(32:59):
because everybody almost take a picture you and this is
a place of mourning. I'm like, oh so I cannot more.
Oh nice, So I say, I understand and I left.
So this is not only positive that all the time.
You know, sometimes no, of course, you want to be
you want to be a dude and you want to
do something and new kids.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, it's a domino effect. It's a domino effect.
And this is why this podcast is around because look,
it's not all rhinestones and glitter and smiles, right like
really And it's okay though because we're both and I
can say this as well for you that like we're
in gratitude right like I had the It changed my
freaking life. But with that also is the other things

(33:43):
that we're talking about that I feel also the fans
should also listen to and and want to know about
For many years, decades, they've been asking, you know, and
and I think that, But it still goes back to
let's just be clear how much gratitude we're in for
giving us this platform and the opportunity. Absolutely, it's like
a family, right. We don't always get along, and that's

(34:04):
just the way it is period.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Second life. There's one side that his goal and the
other side cut sharp.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Did you ask for me or you didn't even know?
Is it when you saw?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Like when I when I know it was you, I
was just spring. First of all, the look you have
was like, oh, this is amazing. Are you serious? Of
course I gotta said the truth.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
And you recognize me from the airplane from the Chicago Yeah,
okay you.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
And then the thing is afterwards, when we did this show, Okay,
did I want you the second time?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Really? I didn't? I heard different?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, of course you're going to hear different.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
I heard you. I heard you actually did not mind.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Oh wow, wow, wow wow, Like I don't want to win.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Okay, which is fine, by the way, Jill, Even if
that was the case, I believe you. Obviously I'm not.
I don't believe you. But that's what was told to me.
That's why maybe you may have during that season video.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
The truth is really everybody was waiting for this honestly.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, no, no, I know it makes.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
No sense for me. First of all, now my comfortable
I was going to be comfortable. I was not going
to relearn anything. I was going to progress massively on
everything because is no more. And you tell me now
you want me to lead every Monday, Now you tell
me better. That was my goal. So and then I
realized the show had changed from that nine to twelve.

(35:39):
And now listen, either you do the strictive ballroom type
of things where in two thousand and nine, if my
heel was coming out of the floor, I'm a nine.
I'm a nine show. I was not making mistake. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
But also you're so good, they have to say something.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
They had to whatever it is. So I'm a perfectionist.
I just loved it. I just I wanted to people.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I know you loved it too much.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I want people to sit down to say, hey, if
this guy can do it and he has your experience,
That's what I'm mentioning.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Jail though, like you don't understand you were on the
class of your league, of your own still to this day,
like I don't. You can't say, Okay, my listeners are
going to say this bullshit, he had no dance experience.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
They can't try to.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Really, you've never danced, just I know the answer. But
you've never danced before, not once.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
In my neighborhood. You know, they did the package like choreography.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
You never learned ballet, nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
No. The only time that Will did I dated someone
Will danced before.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
That doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh okay, I thought, well, just because.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
You sleep with a dancer doesn't mean you are a dancer.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay, Oh no, no I did. I did, I did
a dance or whatnot. But I never really danced. I
never did, not really, I never danced. First of all,
show if you dance in my neighborhood, this is a
different story. You don't come out.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
You still don't, right right right? You're not wearing lo
v next with like a jockstrap backwards.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah no, no, if you want to live, you don't
do that. So it was the time. My time in
my neighborhood was at big complex. Even though look, I
always want to remember, they did a package for the
final and they asked one of the guys from my neighborhood.
They asked, oh can you paint? Can you tell us
is your childhood?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Because because they go to the semi tell that my listeners. First,
this is the semi finals, and they go to your hometown,
right they they traveled all the way to France. Yeah,
and they you know your mother?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
And then they get to where I live and now
the producer said, yo, where did you grow up? Like?
They were like, oh, something is off here, and so
one of the guys says, what do you want me
to tell? Because they didn't believe I was dancing, so
they got mad.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh, then like where in France are you from? Though
you're not from Peris.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
No, it was from the neighborhood down the south right,
So they're like okay, And then they finally gets somebody
sitting down two fig that's his name, and he's like,
what do you want to tell the truth or you
want me to paint of a misery? And then he
called me. He said, okay, we're gonna where can we
go in your city to see beautiful things? So I
told them where and I signed my friends because they

(38:16):
wanted to surprise me. They didn't tell me they were there.
Don't go there. I mean, now it's different and changing,
it's great, I guess, but back in the days it
was not the same. So yeah, you gotta beta be careful.
And it was that story, so it was it was interesting.
I was seeing, like they didn't show a place that us,
as kid, we destroyed. And I know the director, the

(38:41):
one who was doing the little segment, showed that place
in purpose without saying it, and I was looking at
it in the semi phone. I'm like, oh my god,
I burned that place. Oh my god. And Jimmery don't see.
I'm like, oh my god. That's that's what I was
through my mind. It was kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was it was a surprise.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
You didn't know they went home, they went to your house,
or you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Only in new show when they got into trouble, oh
we need help, I'm like, where are you? Okay? So
I call people to drive and show them around not
to be trouble.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, it's cool. It's kind of cool. My mom was
so happy to see them though.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh my gosh, your mom, how is she doing.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
She's doing good. You know, she was on dialysis for
a long time. I mean kidney stuff. And now she
had the kidney so she's doing better. I call her
every single day, Cheril. I never missed one day.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I have to.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Speaking of the semifinals, when did this show turn from
fun to competitive? For you? Never, Jill?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
When did he turn fun into a circus? I can
tell you that.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Okay, fine, sorry circus second time over. No, But in
our so okay, in your season.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
It became more competitive when you get to that semi
final when they do this dancing with other professionals and
by the way, all the fans out.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
There, the trio, the trios, the trio. When we don't
we don't dance with another celebrity, we dance with another
who was our partner? Who was who was with us?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Tony and and Mark?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
No, there's only one other person. I thought it was
quadruple four.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
It was you, Tony and Mark doing a pink song.
No no, that was the first trio dancing.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Three final in the semi final going into the final.
But we didn't dance with another pro like we didn't
do a number with okay, got you? So there was
a couple.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It was back in the days. It was strict.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I love that I freaking love. Remember the freestyle. We
were going back and forth and I was like, I
remember you wanted to do or for our FREESTI first
of all, mind you, we have an amazing track record.
We didn't get lower than like nines. I swear like

(41:21):
from week to like it was just solid. You were solid,
and obviously people were putting their money on you, like
it was just the way it is. And then you know,
you've got Sean Johnson, who's like America's sweetheart. Obviously she's
an Olympian. Then you've got Melissa Ryecroft, who just got
her heart broken on ABC The Bachelorette, right, so you're

(41:42):
like I was thinking, well, you know he we better
come out and do the best we can as far
as dance quality goes, because they've got that other vote,
you know. Like, so I was like I was always thinking, like, okay, well,
no matter what, all we can do is do what
we can control, which is our movement and our practice
and all of it. Hence why I was so hard
on you. But I was hard on you because of

(42:03):
your ability.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
By the way you can yell at me all along.
I would love you.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I wasn't yelling I don't yell no.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, you did it. You did it.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'm silent, but deadly. Silent, but deadly you did.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You did exactly what you need to do to make
me want to do more. That's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Like I said, you really brought out the best in
me as far as like I had to remind people
again that I'm a dance, professional dancer, because it had
been season three was the last time I won, and
even that wasn't dancing to my ability. Yeah, I'll never
forget Carrie Anne saying after our Argentine Tango, which mind you,

(42:43):
I we got help. Like, I'm not even gonna lie,
I'm gonna admit it all like I have been on
this podcast. I got help because I didn't want to
fake it. I didn't want to do a fake Argentine Tango.
I wanted to learn how to really be as authentic
as possible when doing such an amazing of dance, which
is not in the ballroom genre, like people don't compete
Argentine Tanco in our world. Then we got the help

(43:07):
and it was one of the best still to this
day dances in the history of the show. Yeah, from
then on, I'll never forget Carrie and said I didn't
know which one was the pro and which one was
the celebrity.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
To me, that is that is maybe the best compliment
you can get really from you. To hear that as
I'm putting myself in the pro shoes, I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Like, I did this, I do a lot of people
don't think that that's the case.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
That's silly, because to me is you made me want
to look like a pro every day. You know when
she said that good since day one. I didn't want
to see any differences because I'm going to say it
may be wrong, Sharon, you can rectifind me there. I
believe it's much harder for a man.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Absolutely okay, So a male celebrity, a male celebrity, then
a female celebrity.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Of course. Don't want to tell you something. When I
danced in the final, in the semi final, I dance
with against professional dancers. Absolutely not female a woman. If
the guy is a max or is it Derek take
you I take I can't. I learned that from them.
I can't take any woman today and make them believe

(44:20):
the dancers and they they have too left feet lead
them to make them feel you know.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
That's why. Oh yeah, so for me, I put a
French skirt on the girl put some fringe on her.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Only two max. The people will compare me to to
the pro I'm not the pro guys.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Give me they did not. No one compared you to
the pros.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
You think that's all I heard, because when you look
at two dancers, you're like, well, of course he does that. Yeah,
she's the pro. Man an one and half left feet.
Let me, let me, let me try. The man had
that thing that now I could maybe portrayed because it
takes time. They had that thing of really pecking you

(45:03):
into a world wind. You were helping me to go
left right then people, you know I never led you.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
You was no, Yes you did, Yes, you did a
little bit. Argentine Tango was I think, going back to
the question of when did it get competitive, it was
after that dance and because the potential you had you
also for Argentine Tango, I didn't know as much anything. Really,
I just knew how to fake it, I thought. But
remember we got like I didn't. I didn't want to

(45:30):
fake it, so I knew I was going into this
dance as a student as well. Yeah, and you led me.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Jill, Oh wow, the first time I'd hear that, No,
but you do.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
You had to because there was no clear beat in
my head. I count to eight right, like, I'm like
five six seven, eight, and I didn't understand what the
hell this was. Honestly, it was like, listen to the instruments.
What didn't like? I wasn't listening to that nuances like
this is a different right, hence why you led me.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Wow, that's cool. I have the best time in my
life for this, for sure.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
And then from then on the competitive I don't do
you remember when I had to sit you down so
I keep there after the semifinals and I was like, okay, look,
I was like, we can win this whole thing, but
we cannot show how much we want to win.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Do you remember, Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's true. It's
very thin.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's a fine line.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, I s thin line. Because you don't care, you
love it, and you do something nice. People say, oh
you care, you want to do something amazing. People say
this is too strong for me.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Okay, damn if you do, damned if you don't.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Right, Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
So I'm going to go back to the question, when
did it get competitive for you now we say past, yeah,
for sure, because I blew my that ship was so
good though.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I blew my I blew my. H.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
I remember it don't rotator cuff.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Rotator cuff gone, clavical gone, the classic stop in half
and the ac joint was s floating around And I
did the entire season with that.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Why didn't you say anything?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I want to ask you a question because you may
know that question that answered. Who knows those those numbers?
Which lawyer.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
First of all, the fact that we know that it's
under less than one percent is not because I was
told by an exact, not by Conrad, because Conrad was
the showrunner back then and now came back. But look,
all I know is this. I went to Saint Lucia
after we're going to get there. But like anyway, I
was in the Caribbean app right after our season with
my ex boyfriend. I was so depressed, and I remember

(47:42):
Conrad calling me and telling me it was so close, Cheryl,
like it was so like by hundreds of votes. That
is a quote.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And you were talking season eight. This was the height
of the show success. Like we're talking twenty million and
just on a regular night finale must have been like
twenty four to twenty five million, and to lose by
Esse a hundreds of boats. Oh my god, it still hurts.
But like going back. So I had Melissa Ryecroft on

(48:16):
this podcast and then so she mentioned to me, mind you,
she spoke highly of you, but then she said, there
was a change in you when we would be rehearsing
and like at CBS, you know that hallway that like
you would stop basically being friendly with her and Sean.
We Sean with both of them when we were heading

(48:38):
into the finals, like when it was really like, oh
my god, we were super like you know in it, don't.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I remember all the nightmares on twenty twelve for a
very very specific reason that I need to pull it
the fifth until the show dies. When the show dies,
I can talk about it and that everybody will say,
oh wow, you're really say nothing to people and I'm
going to do something bad to you. So I would
not say a thing because.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
You know, so you didn't So you didn't see this
because like it was, it made the press. When I
interviewed her about this.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Honestly, I did. We talked about the season between.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
You no so yes, between us. So when Melissa Ryecraft
I interviewed her just like a few months ago here
and she basically said that Gill stopped being friendly to
me and became very competitive.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Wow, I mean for me, it's hard to compete against.
I'm sorry to say a woman that is a dancer
who's dancing with the pro dancer. It was their time.
I mean it was to dance. I didn't even time
to breathe.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So you're saying that you never felt like you you
didn't change your personality or like your demeanor towards that.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I felt in the second time for sure you did.
For sure.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Okay, well, can you talk to me then about that? Like,
first of all, the feeling knowing that we didn't win,
How did you feel about that? Was that shocking for you?
Were you sad?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Watch again the moment she wins, exploding happiness. Why she's
a mind Sean is a minor. Let me repeat this
a little.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Loud back then, minor back then.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I'm going to leave it there, Mark, Everything's fine, very good.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
And then she went, you weren't upset. Come on, I
was upset. You weren't upset.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I want to tell you the truth. Psychologically speaking, I
always been close to psychology. Psychologically speaking, you should be upset.
If I win against a seventeen year old, the world
will have forgot me. Oh he's the best. Of course,
we wanted to win. Never mad mistakes. He never did
this in his fucking life. He did beautifully a lot
of different things. And next thing, you know, he loses

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by five mins. Good points. Great. I wanted to win.
Why because it's great. She's like you said, American sweetheart, Olympic.
What am I a little friendship that just somehow knows how.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
That it doesn't matter though our track record, it was like, of.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Course we were leading the thing we understand. But her freestyle,
the freestyle take away, the nine to ten, then make
a swing. I don't think they will have met only win.
If they met me win, definitely, I will not have
the career I have today because everybody wanted to see
me after that show. Everybody executive, we do some TV shows,

(51:27):
on movies, you know, because people were upset I didn't win,
so they want to give me something and.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
That was oh interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Now now nobody sees that. But when she won, you know,
I was waiting, so I said, man, you should make
me win now, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Give her all the problem this mindset when we were
standing there and with the heartbeat was heartbeating in the room.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
If they called me, I would have been so so
wait and proud for you.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
But your mind frame wasn't like that then.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
But how were you you feeling right then and there
when they were about to announce the winner?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Uh? You like shocked?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, you in shock? I don't you in shock? You know?
I watched sometimes the voice and you see the guys
in shock when they get their name called out and
kicked out whatnot.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But you weren't upset. You were fine with it. You
made peace with it.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I was at peace before I would have conversation with
a lot of friends. He said, if you win this,
you're done.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
You never told me that, No, because you should have.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
You wanted to win, and I understand, I know.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
But if I wanted to win for you.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Oh No. We went to the final and we showed everyone.
I can't ask everybody who did well, I can't ask
the judge. They gave me all the tents, so I
know I'm proud of what we did. That the result
is not what it should be. It's not my problem
because look what happened afterwards.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Right then and there, this whole, my whole perspective change
on the show. I knew right then and there it
didn't matter if the dancing was great. It mattered more
about the storyline. And I felt like, look, if there
was one thing we could have maybe done better, would
be not be so competitive. Maybe maybe something in the
package maybe rubbed people the wrong way. Maybe then all

(53:14):
stars happened, right I heard you requested Peter.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I don't know, Peter, no, but you.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Must have seen her dance like from previous seasons, and.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I promised you in my life again. I watched the.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Show because I had three of my partners on the show.
I had Emmitt Smith, who had requested me supposedly, Drew
is the legend.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
If you said I want this, he's going to get that.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
But then I heard that you said that you didn't
care if it.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Was that you please bring me that person for my face.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I can't. I don't know. I'm not mentioning the.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Why would I not want to win, because now the
story would have been that one. It would have been like, oh,
you should have won. Now lets see what you can
bring with shell, and the difference between the front and
dancer would have not existed. They would have been so
mad because I would have I would have I would
have not make a mistake again and better now had experience.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
No, you have never made a mistake though regardless.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I didn't want to. But I'm telling you it would
have been more like something more. You would have taught
me five hundred more things. And by the way, love Peter.
She's a sweetheart. We are a blast. It wasn't like
until three am the better work. It was very calm
with Peter. I was like, it's okay. I'm like, oh shit,
I hope I'm good enough and that's it. That was

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very different.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
What was the biggest difference between us, like teaching style?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Of course you also had someone that had like really
want to have foot people don't. I can dance, but
you need to teach me, and that It was not like,
oh you know, can you do this now? I'm like,
what do you mean to volta? I don't know what
is it. It's like a meter for a battery. No, no,
this is tomba. I don't know. Some wasright, don't make
me somebody again.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
But it was great with us we did together.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I was enamored with with learning something new that was priceless.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
The second was Max an influence in your guys's partnership.
The one may was Max helping you through that All Stars.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Because Max and Peter was kind of new, oh, and
it was so fresh that it was like ebulition for them.
It was like the how you call.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
That, you know, the six honeymoon, the honeymoon.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Stage, So it was it was great that she was
super focused the ups and down of the You know what,
It's tough because when you're an artist and you do this,
you have to also think about I'm gonna go do
this with somebody with the family and with their problems
you have to do you have to think that way.
So you have to manipulate this and juggle the right way.
I think always when you're a guy, is much more

(55:52):
simpler for man to to to make to make to
make someone feel a little bit more that he is
at peace, so they can't teach you more because in
that situation, I can be like, oh, I don't care
about what's happening in your life. I want to learn this,
and then it's not going to be it's going to
be terrifying, so I had to juggle what I love
to do that with human beings anyway, So yeah, it

(56:13):
was great. Max didn't help me at all. Even worse.
You can hear this. Max was like super hard with
me on the Gang Game Style because it was tired.
Are you kidding me? And every time I ask what
do you mean?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
What do you mean? He was hard on you.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Every time I asked, well, I want to do something
and say, oh, you shut up. You don't know. I'm like, okay,
I don't know, but you know how the answers are
what I want to say. I quit. I live. No,
then on the on the on the on the Monday night,
that's what it shows. So I said nothing. No, you
didn't help me. Every time I asked any guy something,

(56:47):
they were looking at me. So you you shut up,
you're great. They never try to help me. You help me,
you want me to look good? They not. They didn't
help me. I mean, if somebody really want time helped.
What is the name of this guy? He used to
be world champion more walls. He looks a little bit tony,
but no Roberts. No, he was married to the John Roberts,

(57:12):
Johnathan to help me for this. He helped me a
beautiful frame.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Quick question, really quick before rapid fire, because I can
talk to you forever. What do you regret doing All Stars?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Why?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Because in one sentence would have been canceled.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
You would never get canceled, my friend, I.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Don't, I don't like I detest line two, my viewers
and packages. It was that and more of course the watch.
There's a lot of things that goes under the world
of the ballroom dance. You and I know you're smiling it.

(57:59):
You know what's happening back the back door. So a
lot of things did not happen the same way as.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
The But tell my listeners they deserve to know.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
It's it's it's listen. If I'm gonna be frank, If
my son wants to become a bodroom dancer, I will say,
be rigid, be strong, dedicate yourself, but never disrespect the women.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
If my daughter wants to become a vodroom dancer, I
probably will say please don't because not only it's difficult,
it's very tough for women because they put down a
lot and it's more than competitive. You just sometimes move
their mindset. They see the world in the way that
they maybe should not have towards when they come to
the real world. There's a lot of pressure that comes down.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
With well, you're talking more from the show's perspective, because
that's all you know. You don't really know the competitive
world as much back then, At least back then, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Know until I learned a lot, and and and and
maybe five six years when everything settled down, people will know.
People will know that there's a lot of things that
happened that were not really national happening.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
We're going to move on to rapid fire. My friend,
get hold onto your seatbelts. This is going to be
a crazy one.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I'm with you little.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
We're going to talk about Cheryl versus Peta. I'm going
to talk about myself in third person. Who pushed you
harder in rehearsals? Peter or Cheryl most intimidating? Don't say
most of.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Them to me today. I have to be Cheryl because
I didn't know anything.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Who had more fun during rehearsals?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Peta? Why I tell you, Oh, that's good, and it
was good.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
We did great, right, I mean compared to a lot
of for other partners. You were freeing great and you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Peta.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
He came and trained.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
I came in trained. Oh my god, I wanted to
do more old way. Yeah. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
One word to describe your chemistry with me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I have the word in French, but I have to
translay in French meaning I was completely and I'm worked
with you from your professionalism to your eddication and to
your life story.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I love you. One word for your chemistry with Peter
A blast, fun most challenging dance style with me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Definitely the somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
It's so good, though, Peter have it with Peter Bollywood
because she.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Didn't know anything for Sunday night. I didn't know anything
Sunday night, and would you let's go let's google it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
The night the night before the show Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
In Mia Nie, she's crying on the floor bleeding for
my knee. I'm bleeding for my knees and say we
can't do those moves now because we're bleeding.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
On the knees from Bollywood the stile.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
There, I got kick in the air and I got
Z and then when she gets there, the coins shred
me like a cat eating you. So I'm bleeding when
I'm getting a result.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
This is why it's a ballroom show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, I'll by the way, Yeah, when he became a circus,
I'm like, are you serious? I should have fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Out of ten who had the tougher critique, mir or Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I definitely definitely you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Okay, if looking back at both experiences you had on
the show, was the most valuable lesson you've learned that
you've carried forward in your personal life and career from yours,
truly for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
That nothing is impossible. You just have to work at it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
If you could do a rematch and only redo our
freestyle with what you know today about the show, what
song and dance would you want to do for it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I always wanted to do a routine with you. I'm
gonna have to tell the viewers that I always wanted
to do a modern job.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Oh no, I can't dance. I'm gonna dance modern heels
like I cannot do barefoot. I don't understand how people
dance barefoot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
You can't do heels if you want, But I know
you and I would have pierced the screen and then
would have been burnt to the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Have you ever seen my contemporary I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Contemporary, Yes, good man, can we do a rumba?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Please? We'll just do a rumba contemporary? Fan questions Which
season did you enjoy the most at lose Mato?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Definitely your season because everything was so buggy amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
It was so new everything. Oh my god, I know
it was a good one. It was a really good one.
Were you bummed when you weren't partner with Cheryl during
the All Star season at schrei y'all twenty one? What
were you bummed out when you weren't partnered with me
during the Ull Star season?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I was that. I was surprised. I was like, oh,
they don't want me to okay, so when do they
want me to go? And then I knew was quite
a final.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
But they didn't ask you do you don't ask me anything? Wait?
So you knew? So did you expect to be it
was gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
When did you find out?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I was expecting to be either with you? Karen asked
me or off I so heard quickly She's like, maybe
they're going to partner me with you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
That would have been good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
And then they gave me Pitera and Pierre and they, oh,
nice to meet you. What is your last name, and
I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
But you didn't know this going signing onto this show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
No, my god, no, they probably looked. Again. I'm not
someone who asked much. That always was my problem. But
if you Emma smiss she said, hey, I won't shorew
I don't go. What are they gonna do? No, we're
not going to give you a shayl. If I say that,
maybe they would have gave me you. I don't know,
because maybe rating wise, I was more important at that
time than Emmett. But I didn't ask. And that's oh

(01:04:05):
my wife, Carol, and you know really well is hell,
I'm done with you? You think the people are gonna
think with your brain and say, oh yeah, of course,
open your mouth. Birds that don't sing, don't get fed.
I'm like, okay, yeah, it was a new experience. It
was don't go. Don't get me wrong. It was great
with pet. I was super easy to do every dance.
It was so easy. I gotta say it was so easy.

(01:04:26):
I was looking for work. I was like more more more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
It was She's like, let's go have lunch. No kidding, okay,
what are you current projects that you're that you're working
on that you want to promote anything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Oh cool. I just the movie just came out two
weeks ago called Crimes of Fashion. It's a it's a
home Mark series. So I'm starting the first movie now I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Saw problems for it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
What an amazing company to work with.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I gotta say, where do you see? How do how
do you watch it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Where?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Where is it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Aaron Hallmark, Hallmark Mysteries. It's a It's Amark homek Mystery
on Mark Trauma, I believe. And they have three main channels,
Dark Feathers. I just shot a thriller, a TV show
for Amazon that is coming out next month called Beyond
Black Beauty. Really amazing stories about, of course Black beauty,

(01:05:19):
but now it's Beyond Black Beauty is a story about
the Restrian world. Love that murder company. I'm playing a sniper.
Incredible action film coming from a true story in the
Second World War.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
That's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
No, he's been doing. I've been doing. I've been doing.
He's been He's been great. It was really really tough
because there was like a movement in Hollywood that just
like when Haywire. So I got cold a little bit.
But now the time fly and I'm back to work.
So it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Where can people find you? Not like your address, but
like where can people find you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I am an Instagram person. I don't know to talk
too much, but it's just YOUMORNI on Instagram and this
is why I do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I love you so much, and tell Carol I'll give
her my love and your kids everything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
She's outside naked taking time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
You and your wife being naked all the time as
you guys can.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Thank you all so much for listening, and since you
guys have been loving the podcast so much, especially when
I do recaps of past seasons, we decided to make
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(01:06:35):
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