June 7, 2024 • 35 mins
We are once again joined by a friend of the show and journalist Kristyn Burtt for this weeks headlines! Cheryl and Kristyn dive right in with the headline Cheryl made this week, then jump into the cast of the new Traitors which has a couple of former DWTS celebs and they chat about the transition from the ballroom to the castle. Steve Guttenberg, Jennie Garth, Emmitt Smith and more of your favorite dancing celebs made headlines this week and Cheryl and Kristyn break it all down for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with me Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to Sex
Life and Spray Tans. We are joined once again by
a trusted friend to the show. At this point, she
really needs no introduction. Please welcome to the show. Journalist
Kristin Bert. How are you, Kristin? Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Let's just dive right in. We've got lots of headlines
different people. I'll let you take it away. I guess
with this first headline it's about me saying, which was
such a quick little saying, that you should be single
if you do Dancing with the Stars. So would you
like to elaborate for anyone that hasn't heard the news.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, I think you were talking a lot about the
connections that people form over a season of Dancing with
the Stars, and if you don't have the right supportive partner,
it can be very difficult and challenging because your husband
or wife is making a connection with somebody else. You're
grinding up against each other, you're spending long hours together
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and chemistry does happen, and you have to be strong
in your foundation, whether you're dating or whether you're married
to make it through in a very healthy way of
Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right, And honestly, I'm not saying just let go of
the relationships that you formed prior to Dancing with Stars
before joining obviously not like I think. When I said that,
it was a quick response to when we had Dave
Quinn on last week and he was like, why do
you believe people get so intimate? And I'm like, because
it is like an arranged marriage, and it is very much.
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You have to get close fast, right, because what is
the most important thing to build is trust with one another,
and in order for that to happen, you have both
let your walls down and let the other person in quickly,
like time is not on our side, right.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, And I think too, it's also hard to let
that relationship go if you had a really great season together,
you had a long run. I know of at least
one or two contestants, they would hate it when they're
former partner went and got a new celebrity contestant. There
was a little bit of jealousy there. I was privy
to a conversation once and I thought, this is so fascinating.
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But you get a lot of attention not only from
your partner, but also from the press around this opportunity
that you're.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Doing names kidding, I'm kidding. No, you're right, and I've
experienced and like pretending I'm so shocked. Of course, yes
it is. I will never forget like we used to
be a part of Upfront, like in the beginning when
the ratings were like through the roof and we I'd
have a couple of my dancemar Also for All Stars,
I had four partners of mine where I think was
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a four or three. I had gial Marini Drew Emmett No.
Three and that was awkward. It was weird for me too,
by the way, and I'm sure it was very awkward
for them. But yes, you form this bond and there's
nothing like your first time doing it. Even if you
do All Stars, it's like the first time for anything.
You have no expectations, right, You're just like, okay, let's
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just do what you want to do it. Then you
tend to compare. But I believe I don't want any
celebrities or future celebrities who have listened to this to
think not that they have to be single to do
the show, because I am always a cheerleader for this show.
I believe that everybody, if possible, should experience something like
this because it is life changing and it leaves a
mark and a lasting impression on everybody's life, as you've
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heard here on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, and I think it's important it's open the dialogue
of communication if you do have a significant other, just
so that they understand they feel a part of the rehearsal.
I think some of the pros are really good about
inviting this. Spout is just going to say, yeah, the
more you do that, the better off the season is
going to be for everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And lib boundaries, Like really, it's important because also you
know Emmett for example, he there was no negotiation. We
flew back to Dallas every week because he needed to
be with his family. He only gave me four hours
of his time and he promised that he was going
to work on it when he was not in the studio.
When you do that, you know, and I also try
to include Pat as much as possible, his you know
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now ex wife. But still they're very you know, friendly,
still together, and you know they were they brought me
into their home. We it was over like a Thanksgiving
I think during season three and I remember just having
Thanksgiving dinner with them and like, it is it must
I can't even imagine being the person who's not a
part of the show and who is that, you know,
the partner in all of this. It must be very
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hard and communication is key, and yes, to any new pros,
it's very important to include the whole family into this huge,
I guess chapter in the lives of the celebrity contested. Yeah,
and I think that's.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know, I know that people like to grab the
headlines of everything that you're saying. You know, you're like,
it was just one sentence, but it really isn't kind
of an all encompassing show and it's one of those
things you just you do have to consider it before
you say yes. And so yeah, I'm going to sign
up for the show. Ask your spouse, like, how are
you going to feel about me dancing with another person
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all season?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Because there are a few people that have said no
that I know of as well, that that's the reason
why they had never done the show before because they
don't feel comfortable. And that's okay, yep, it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Might not work for the dynamics of their relationship, and
you know totally. As long as everyone's on the same page,
it's all.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Good, absolutely okay, Ken Jennings. So people are like, I
don't I'm not so familiar with him, to be quite honest,
like I'm more of a real fortune time girl. But
I do love me some Jeopardy now. I guess. He
was on social media this past Thursday on May thirtieth,
and his fans are demanding for him to compete in
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the next season of Dancing with the Stars, and he
basically said, nobody in America wants to see me do
Dancing with the Stars. I promise I will save you
that in dignity, I say, you know what, believe them,
believe the celebrity when they say they have no dance experience.
And to be quite honest, if you really don't want
to do it, you downside, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm going to agree with Ken on this one. I
don't think I want to see him on Dance with
the Stars, and it has nothing to do with his
hosting ability or doing his work on Jeopardy. I think
he's a little buttoned up and I don't necessarily think
he would let loose for the experience because Jeopardy is
one of those more serious game shows, and I feel
like he wants to portray that role. Alex Trebek never
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would have come on Dancing with the Stars either, and
I feel like Ken follows in his footsteps and that legacy,
and it just wouldn't happen. And I think the more
that contestants sort of lean in not only into the
vulnerability of it, but also into the sparkle and the
unbuttoned shirts and things like that that just make the
show fun. He had the ruffles, all of that. The
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more fun you're going to have, and of course the
more that the viewers are going to respond to you.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It could go the opposite where he embraces this whole
process Ken Jennings, and he's just all of a sudden,
you see a different side. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I feel like it won't happen though, you know
what I mean. I just feel like this is like
the viewers saying, come on, do Dancing with the Stars.
But I'm not even sure that, Like Dina Katz would
be like, yeah, he's at the title things, I lists, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Don't think so. And speaking of you know, the new
cast for Traders, so the same casting director I'm just
saying that cast Traders also cast Dancing with the Stars,
so don't be shocked if you see some similar names.
Tom Sandival, do you see?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I don't think that she'll cast Tom Sandbal.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Do you think why?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I feel like we're so over the scandabal of it all.
I think he's perfect for Traders because he's been a
villain on vander Pump Rules for so long. But I
feel like, after Ariana just did this particular season, we've
moved on. And my thought was Jax and Brittany, who
are on the Valley, they're former vander Pump Rules and
they're going through this like crazy separation. Are they together?
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Aren't they together? I feel like they're more newsworthy right
now than Sandibal.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Actually it, he does remind me of like another Tom
Sandival in a way, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
They are two peas in a pod, honestly, And when
she told him years ago to rotten Hale, he should
have rotted in hell then and just let every you know,
everyone should have gone their separate ways.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Dina needs to do. So we should do a villain season. Duh, God,
I just come up with such great ideas. Are you sure?
I shouldn't be yours. I mean right, because they do
this show on e It's like, isn't it called the
Villain House of Villains? Yeah, villains.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, they could do a villain season the Dancing with
the Stars. Yes, here's the other thing I was thinking about,
because right now, getting on the Traders is the hottest
reality show. People were campaigning left and right on social media. Yes,
I mean, I've seen it last season, but it's so good.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It is.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I was so into it in season two and everyone
wanted on this particular season, season three that the cast
was just announced for, And I'm like, I wonder how
hard that makes Dina's job in terms of casting Dancing
with the Stars, and she also casts the Mass Singer,
which was the prior taught show, and before that it
was Dancing with the Stars. Like, everything has its ebbs
and its flows, and right now everyone wants to be
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on the Traders.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Do you think that they do a good job of
like do they use the same stars, like let's say,
Dancing with Stars to Messinger or like is there a
good mix? Do you believe I've ever seen Messinger?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So we've seen a lot of Dancing with the Stars crossover.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Sometimes I feel like there's too many of the same
faces over and over again. I go, oh, that's a
Dana cat show. That's Diana cat show. And you get
people who obviously want to work. There's nothing wrong with that.
We all have bills to pay. But you've almost seen
them on too many reality competition shows, and so sometimes
I'm like, we need a beat or something, We just
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need a moment or something just to have a break
from them. But you do see those faces show up
over and over again.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you also have to think, like, who else would
do it? Like sometimes right like and there's also some
faces that I heard did Mastering or that I was like,
why I want they to do Dancing with the Stars too.
You know, It's just like it just depends on the person.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, Abby Douglas who did Massive and one. I was like,
why was she not on Dancing with the Stars. But
she's very shy and she was very adamant. She's like,
it was great having the mask on my who totally
didn't have to perform. She's like, I could perform for myself,
but I didn't have to perform for an audience per se.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
What do you think of the cast for Traders for
season three.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm excited by Boston Robb from Survivor who is he
is the Master. If you're looking for like a trader
a villain, that's that's your guy, because he's nice or
he's hilarious and he's really good at strategy, and The
Traders is a game of strategy. Chrishelle coming back.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
She should be a Trader.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
She'd be a great trader, I think, because she's really sweet.
But I think that she could play both sides of
it all totally. Yeah, I'm interested to see Nikki on it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh, yeah, she should not be a Trader either. Should
obviously Tom, that's obvious.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
No, I think Tom's going to go out early too.
I think people just don't want to like a Max. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well Max wasn't even that early. Everyone was saying he
got out first. He wasn't out first.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, he wasn't out first, but I feel like he
was out second or third.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But I feel like you can tell when they don't
do Master interviews with these people. You're like, oh, like
you know what I mean, Like you could tell when
they're not being shown as much, because I'm like, where's Max?
I want to see Max and then.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You're like, oh, he's gone.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But even before he was gone, you're like oh, and
then you start to like I have all this like
whole thing, like you know, conspiracy theory. He's like, oh, well,
since he doesn't have as much talking time as so
and so maybe they just don't want him on. Like,
I don't know what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I think, well, Traders is such a social game and
you have to be able to play the personalities, and
I think that, you know, for him, it might have
been a little bit overwhelming. He was smart though, because
he made a couple of good points and he's like,
this person is not the trader. Why aren't you guys
seeing it? So I think he was stepping back and analyzing,
which was his kind of sharp skill in the game,
but they just didn't give him an opportunity to really
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utilize it, and then he was it off.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
How are they not saying it? It's almost so obvious.
Maybe it's just more obvious to us as the viewer, I.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Know, And that's the thing. That's why I think Tom
Sandoval doesn't play a great social game. So if he's
not given that opportunity to play his deceitfulness, because he's
obviously good at but.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
They would be stupid to eliminate him first because they god,
I mean, they must know that he's not the Trader, Like,
there's no way that'd be so obvious.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And he probably will be good TV too, because everyone
loves to hate him.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So do you think it's like scripted kind of rigged?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I wouldn't doubt that some of these people probably knew
that they were going to be cast and started forming
alliances before they even made it to Scotland.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Do you think that they know if they're the Trader
or not?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
You don't know until you get on site. Because Alan comes.
As far as I know, even the producers didn't know
who the Traders were going to be. It's all up
to Alan.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Oh really, yes, No, I don't believe that. There's no
way there's got to be some zoom call like with
the one executive. This is what we know. This is
what we know.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but
that is what has been publicly made available.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Oh I love it. Okay, Steve Gutenberg remember that guy? Yes, Now,
I don't know if you heard, but during his time
on the show, I forgot what season it was, but
he does with Anya Trebunskaya, and he was so into
this show that he would rehearse. This was back when
we can just rehearse for as many hours as we wanted,
Like literally, we'd be like, can we book Third Street
from like ten to ten? Thank you? Like and we
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might stay later. And so that was back then. And
he would snap at the studios because she wanted to win.
I think he just wanted to get the dance like.
I don't think he so. And I love him even
more after this article because he basically says, and anyone
who's stepping into this entertainment industry or anyone who may
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be a new pro dancer on the show these words.
This is great advice. He needs to do a manual
on like going into the entertainment industry. But he basically said,
there was love if you succeeded, and no love if
you didn't succeed. My publicist at the time said, you're
a beautiful racehorse, and when you stop winning, they send
you to the glue factory. But it's so true, you know,
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And he said, I figured I had nothing to lose.
He says of moving to La from Long Island after
high school graduation in seventy six and taking a shot
at acting. He said, my mom and dad both gave
me a double make care attitude. If it didn't work,
big deal, I'd come home. I had nothing to lose.
And then he landed his first commercial basically the first
couple of weeks that he was living here in Hollywood.
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And he also said, I didn't like the culture. He
says that the movie industry, it got to me. Young
actors are very competitive, and I didn't make many friends.
So I decided to go back to school. And he
said that I was guarded about it as far as
his time on like going back, because he then got
cast to do Three Men and a Baby Police Academy,
and he says of basically, he said I was guarded
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about that time. He said, I still am. It's definitely
a hardcore business, and when you're hot, you're hot, but
when you're not always hot. It was the fashion industry,
you go in and out of fashion. So I always
kept my mind realistic about it, which is so smart
of him.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It's a healthy attitude and to always have it sounds like,
you know, he used his education as a backup plan
at one point, or you know, just to not sit
there and obsess about it, because artists, when you're down,
it is so easy to obsess about, like why aren't
I doing better?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Why did I get this job?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The desperation And when you go into an audition in
a dry spell, they can smell the desperation coming out
of your pores and you don't want that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I mean, fans can smell it from when you see
us dancing on Dancing with the Stars, like when you're
really vying for that mirror bal and you're not there
for the right reasons, like and let's say, all of
a sudden, you become super competitive. It's like it's not
necessarily something you want to watch or root for.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's true, and you know, because there is that voting
component with the viewers. When they smell that desperation for
some reason, it turns people off and then they're not
voting for you.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It happened to me and Jill, like it was all
fun and games until that until something, until he knew
he you know, we were good, Like he was great.
He still is one of my best partner, not even
gonna take that away from him, but like it became
competitive and I think it. And then you're up against
America's sweetheart, right, you're up against Sean Johnson, and like,
oh no, yeah, you about to lose. But we're not losers.
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We're just in second place.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But if they feel like it's so strange because there's
that balance of like you have to take it seriously
but not too seriously. You have to have fun but
not be like so goofy about it. So if you're
not within that like fine line of it all, that's
where you lose the.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Bara ball, which and fans can also smell when you're
not into it because I've tried it all, Christen, I
tried it all because shame on you, and shame on
you if you do it the other way like that,
you just can't win sometimes, right, So but then you're like, well,
you know what, actually I just need to stop overthinking it,
like I just need to do my job and let
go surrender.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, and that contestant is like so done with the
show and wants to be off.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And then even the why answers you can tell.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, they're phoning it in and I you know.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I was just gonna say that I hate that saying.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I hate but it's true though, and we.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But is it though, it's not really, They're not really
just phoning it in. It's like I think, like they
care so much that they're trying not to care so much.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I think sometimes and this does happen, and I think
this was more of when you guys had two seasons
a year and tours and tours, and so there was
a bit of burnout. And when there's a bit of burnout,
oftentimes your creativity, you know, takes a diff and so
oftentimes you're like, I'm just going to recycle some choreography
because I just need to get through this week. And
it's it's a fight or flight kind of mode. And
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but the viewers have been watching long enough that they
start to notice some of the repetitive choreography sometimes, or
that maybe the pro doesn't feel as joyous about the
show or maybe not joy towards there.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Maybe they're just upset, yeah, or that there's that too,
I mean, they feel discouraged.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And because the pro roster has stayed relatively steady at
least for the last decade, you can really start to
read people's moods and kind of yeah, you know, generate
like okay, they're having a really good season, or they're
not really into the season.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think in their defense, though, to be quite honest,
it's like it's more probably just feeling so discouraged because
like we try so there's no way that you can
say I don't. I mean, I haven't experienced anything like
as far as oh, I'm just going to phone it
in like I but I did feel like no matter
what I did wrong, right, technically correct, technically not, it
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was always going to end up the way it was.
And I think when I started to have that mentality
and kind of stopped having the I am just you know,
anything goes because, like you know, you do as human
beings too, like we get used to, I guess, certain
a certain routine on the show, and then when you
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start to see it sometimes and you're like, oh, wait,
no matter what though, no matter how hard I work,
no matter how many hours, no matter how many secret rehearsals,
no matter who I get help from, no matter what,
because you're in this entertainment industry, you're gonna get people
who are not going to like you. But what I
needed to say to myself was instead of like getting
all down in the outs and feeling sorry for myself.
I need to be like, well, that's just the name
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of the business, you know, And I wish I was
like I had a different mentality, but I lived and
I learned, and so I think that came across as
for example, with me that I was checked out.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And I think also now, like we're in twenty twenty four,
the show has been on a long time. We've heard
more experiences through your podcast and through other interviews that
there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes
that the pros cannot control and it ca nind of
affect your experience on a specific season, and I think
the viewers are more understanding of that too. Now wait
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a minute, yeah, like this is you know, this aspect
of the show isn't necessarily fair to the pros we've had,
i think executive producers, but at certain times that I
don't think we're really letting you guys shine the way
you should be able to shine. And yeah, and I
think that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Because then you take our art away. Like I used
to love these results shows because like it only takes
us an hour to put these routines together, but we
can dance to our potential and like when you take
that away. Also, your dancing suffers too, right.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Macy Stars of Dance, I miss those. You guys had
lots of opportunities to do these really high concept things.
I understand it's a budgetary thing too, but at the
same time, it's robbing everyone. It's robbing you guys on
the creative side, it's robbing us as audience members.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's a bar Yeah, and I think obviously that happened
when the ratings were so high. Emmitt Smith, did you
see his Instagram post about Larry Allen? So sad? I
mean I was crying basically. EMMITTT. Smith said in his
Instagram video that he's had a loss of words right now.
Such a good dude, great players, super person. It just
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breaks my heart. Life is very fragile, and we're only
here for a moment. We need to make the best
out of every moment and not take people for granted. Amen.
My heart goes out to Harry Allen and his family. Okay,
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So I was pretty close to Shana season three, and
I have to say that Shana has nothing but love
for Travis, and I think always will. I think it's
just I think it's just painful, you know, in general,
but also her kids. She loves, like she has absolutely
like she will drop everything for her kids. Now she
comes from two very public marriages and divorces, unfortunately with
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Oscar de la Joya and with Travis, and look this
whole thing, and now that he's with a Kardashian like Courtney,
it cannot be easy, like and he's obviously super happy,
like they look like I've never seen Courtney so happy
in my life, Like literally, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You open up every webpage and it's especially when they
first started dating. It's Travis and courtant like making out.
And even though she and Travis were Shana and Travis
were long over, it doesn't make it any easier because
they're still co parenting and you have to navigate that
and that could be a tricky, tricky thing to do.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And of course it comes with like I just remember
my parents who didn't co parent because my dad flew
to Asia and just decided to live there. However, I
always had a relationship with both obviously, and I never
once for me, I guess it never went through my mind,
like who's it better compete, compete, compete. I had two
completely different relationships, mind you, with my mom and dad,
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So I'm hoping that that's the same, and hopefully this
is just all in a way. And I say this
with all due respect. In her head, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Seems like in reading the article too. She said that
her kids were now sharing pictures with her of baby Rocky,
and maybe the baby will kind of just bring them
all together in a way and unite them. Obviously it's
not Shane's child, but if her kids are enjoying their
new sibling, that's a great thing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Right And look at she she also had a kid
with Oscar de la Hoya, so it's like that. It's
just a mixed family, you know. And this is twenty
twenty four for you. But just to give the listeners
a little backstory here, but she just did the Jeff Lewis.
I've been hearing a lot about this podcast, Jeff Lewis Live.
Have you heard it?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It is It's good, It's easy.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Tea gives all the tea, doesn't it all the tea?
She said that she used to find herself in competition
with the Travis when it came to their parenting. Chops,
I gave up, she said, I was never really trying
to compete. I gave that up a long time ago.
I was like, you win, like you're the winner. And
she added that my ex is a very powerful famous person.
It's kind of hard to compete on that level. Basically,
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Shana says, and it admits that. You know, look, when
the Kardashians first came around, they were enamored, just as
like young kids would be enamored by them. I think
that there was a lot of glitter and fame, and
they watched them on TV. As far as their parents,
their kids go, Shana and Travis's kids, and now their
dad is dating one and they're going to be on
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the show, and I think they got caught up in
that which young kids would do. While appearing on the podcast,
Shana basically accused Travis of cheating on her. She claimed
that she discovered email sent to Travis by multiple women
while setting up a FaceTime call with her kids on
his computer.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It always electronics everyone into trouble. I have a friend
who lived with Shana for a little bit going on really.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, way back when she did dancing.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, I think it was after that they crossed over
with the Miss USA pageant. Okay, that's where their link was.
But it was after her she and Travis had split,
and she just said it was a really tough relationship
for both of them to navigate trying to take care
of the kids and trying to figure out their own
emotions and what their post relationship looked like. You know,
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what does that? How do you navigate through that?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean, I went through one public divorce. I can't
first all, imagine too let alone have kids right like
that is it can't get messy. But then you know,
like speaking of co parenting, Jenny Garth just had her
ex on her podcast, and I didn't realize that her
and Peter Fetchinelli were together since they were twenty one
years old.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
When I was reading that same to here, I was like,
where did I miss the fact that he was just
in la like six months and then he was pregnant
with it, you know, he and Jenny were pregnant with
their first kids. I'm just like, how did I miss
all of that?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I know, and I do remember them being together when
she did Dancing with the Stars, but like so clearly
they were already together for many many years when she
did that show, which was season four of the show.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
If you had told me, I would have said, Oh,
they were thirty when they had their first kids.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Right right twenty one? Like, so, was she still a
part of nine on Twinzho then yeah, yeah, must have
been at the height. That's crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Because she did have her she was pregnant on the
show one season, like you can you know, they do
the we have to hide to your belly behind a
suitcase or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She is so kind, she's a really like she always
makes sure that she makes eye contact. I'm very like
sensitive to it, and she really doesn't get distracted when
talking to you, Like she's very engaged and I appreciate that.
And I just love that she's so open. And I
bet you that this whole process of having this podcast
and her own personal podcast with iHeart is very therapeutic
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for her.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
You know, Oh, I imagine so. And I've interviewed her
a few times myself, and she's always kind, always sweet.
I've never you always get a feel for someone when
you have had the opportunity to interview them several times.
Everyone has a bad day every once in a while,
but never, never with Jenny. She is always the person
who just like shows up and is there no matter.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
What he said. There was a part of me. He
said that I was very conflicted when filing for you know,
the divorce, and there was a part of me that
was like do I stay in this? And he recalled
all of this to himself obviously before he filed. He said,
I also felt gutted to break up family in our family,
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and it wasn't an easy decision by any means. So
they have three daughters, Luca, Lola, and Fiona, who are
all grown young women. Jenny said, it's almost like, on
one hand, they missed out as far as that ideal,
you know, family goes. You just can't talk shit about
the other parent to the kids, Like I just know
that that must affect the kids. I don't have kids,
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and I'm not telling anyone how to do it, but
like any negativity I think, or bad mouthing, my mom
never did that though she could have, Like my dad
was a player, she could have, but never once did she.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, my brother and his girlfriend had a child just
out of college and they split up a few years later,
and it was tense at first, but our families just
everyone rallied around each other, and she wound up getting
married to somebody else and had you know, kids too,
but our whole families were able to spend holidays together, graduations, weddings,
all of that because we just put my niece Julia first,
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and that's all that matters. A happy, healthy kid.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It is important to just try and at least be
I guess more balanced as far as like watching your words,
because we're very observant as little toddler's that's right.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Cordial, civil is fine. You don't have to be best friends,
but the more you can get along, the better it
is for the kids.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Let's end with James Vanderby going back to school. I
can't believe that. So how did you like him and
Emma together? Like, what was your vibe with them?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I loved them together. I love his flexibility, his lines.
He was really fun to watch that season. And I
will say that one of the hardest times to be
backstage was the night that he was eliminated. And if
you remember, Ali was like, take my place. You deserved
that place. So if everyone remembers James's wife had a
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miscarriage that week.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I remember that it was gut wrenching, devastating, awful because they.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Had already shared the exciting news with all of the
dancing with the Star's viewers. And what was nice about
James in Emma's partnership is that they shared a lot
on social media too. They were really active, so I
think everyone felt really engaged and really involved. And James
and his very big family because all the kids were
really little and cute, Brady Buch Yeah, and he was
doing a great job. I think everyone thought he was
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a guarantee to make it to the finals.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh, I hate that. So it wasn't Juan Pablo, because
that's not what happened with Juan Pablo. That was the
reason why they did that the following season. The following
season got it okay, I hear you, ye, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, So that was the thing, and it just came
down to the judges siding Elly do that. I don't know,
And you know, the fact that James was in Jeopardy
to begin with is it was a questionable thing in
my head because even though it wasn't necessarily his best
best week, people making judgments of like he should be
home with his wife when his wife was like, no,
(29:56):
please continue on as long as you can and bring
joy to our family right now.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Wait, I'm so sorry. There's because everything's going through my
head right now. Who was the executive? Who was the showrunner?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Not Conrad nos Andrew.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And the package was about this, wasn't it. There's no
way they were voted They were not not voted in.
There's no way. What was there's previous what was the
score of the night of the week before?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Really good? I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh yeah, there's no way to me, sorry, like there's
no way.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
As a viewer, James probably taking out the you know,
the medical crisis, taking that out of the equation, you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I'm just saying, like, had that not happen, he
to me would have been a top three contestant in
that finale for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
So then what the hell happened? Because like, how did
he get voted off? It wasn't like him saying, because
he would have had a bow out if he you
know what I'm saying, like he would have been like
I'm stepping down, like I need to focus on the.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Family on camera that like his wife was like, no,
continue going forward, I want you to do this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It looks so bad on the show. That's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
And being backstage, you know, when we're in the media
room when you're sitting around the George Pinocchios and everyone.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Else, Yes, it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
There's a lot of gossip that goes around, and all
of us were just like like, after the whole thing happened,
none of us really wanted to even do the press line.
It just was really sad and depressing. Had he stayed
to me, it would have been like uplifting, like, let's
turn the story around. Let him go and do this
freestyle for his wife and his family. And he didn't
get that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Do you really think that was the case for the
votes and the jud judge just or there's no way.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, I was shocked that the judges went in that direction.
Not that Ali wasn't great, but Ali would oftentimes and
no one yell at me for this, but she would
never make it through a dance without a mistake. She
would always like misstep or get off beat or whatever,
and that would happen every week and they'd be like ten,
and I'm like, how was she getting a ten? It's
a solid nine. She's improving every week.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So James Vanderbeek. First of all, Leah's back. Lea Remenie
is back in school as well, and I love how, like, look,
school always be there. My sister's about to graduate from
UCLA the graduates program as like directing and all of that.
But what's not always there are these opportunities that come
at you, whether that be from the entertainment industry or
whatever job or career path you choose. I have been
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also at a point in my life where I'm super curious,
so I just love that people are embracing that you're
never too old to go back to school.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And the wonderful thing about now that we have like technology,
you can do school online. You do not have to
go and live in another state. You can still pursue
your career wherever you are and still take course work
and get your degree if you want to.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Listen, don't take any advice for me. I'm a high
school graduate period, but I believe sometimes a lot of
people change their career paths, and I think that, look,
people are going to hire people who have experience, not
so much with books in front of their faces for
the last few years, but more about like worldly experience.
I still think traveling and just like just being in
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different cultures is the best at education really, and.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I think the student loan crisis is a testament to
maybe alternative forms of education. So we're doing things different,
like maybe doing community college for a few years and
then do two years at a four year school if
you want a degree.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I have to ask you about seven m.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh, what the f did you watch the Netflix documentary half? Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It freaks me out, And I want to have I
want to have the sister and her parents on.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, you should have Miranda on is this real? It's real?
So this has been going on for two years, by
the way, and so I was. It was unfolding in
real time on Instagram, not on TikTok where you know
Miranda and b Dash?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Are I see her? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, you see her with I don't know Slavic Vic
White from So You Think You Can Dance? So I
know Vic. He's still in I know B Dash from
World to Dance Dance.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yes, yes, did you have? Did you like? Can you
talk to them? Or now they won't.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I might be able to talk to Slavic because he
and I I've stayed. I've left the door open because
I'm really concerned about him. I'll really yeah, And I
just want to make sure that if and when he
comes out that he feels supported in love. That's all
I can hope. It's just really sad, is what it is. Sad.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Okay, Kristin, thank you so much. It's always so great
to catch up with you. What are you working on next?
Where can people find you?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You can catch me every morning on the Tom Bernard Show.
I do a fifteen minute entertainment report at seven point
fifteen Pacific time, so you can catch me there. And
of course you'll see my articles all over the internet.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Is it a podcast or it's yeah, it's a live podcast,
so anywhere you listen to podcasts you'll find it. Yep.
Thanks Kristin. Thank you to my amazing cost Kristin Burt
for coming and co hosting our Headlines and Hot Topics
weekly series. Everyone make sure to follow Kristin Bert at
the Kristin Burt and the Podcast on Instagram, threads, and
TikTok at sex Life and spray Dance across all platforms.
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Don't forget there are more new and exciting interviews coming
to you every Monday to talk about their experiences on
Dancing with the Stars. This Monday, I sit down with
the one and only Christiane de La fente, so stay
tuned for that until next time. People
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with me Cheryl
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Life and Spray Tans. We are joined once again by
a trusted friend to the show. At this point, she
really needs no introduction. Please welcome to the show. Journalist
Kristin Bert. How are you, Kristin? Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Let's just dive right in. We've got lots of headlines
different people. I'll let you take it away. I guess
with this first headline it's about me saying, which was
such a quick little saying, that you should be single
if you do Dancing with the Stars. So would you
like to elaborate for anyone that hasn't heard the news.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, I think you were talking a lot about the
connections that people form over a season of Dancing with
the Stars, and if you don't have the right supportive partner,
it can be very difficult and challenging because your husband
or wife is making a connection with somebody else. You're
grinding up against each other, you're spending long hours together
(01:03):
and chemistry does happen, and you have to be strong
in your foundation, whether you're dating or whether you're married
to make it through in a very healthy way of
Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right, And honestly, I'm not saying just let go of
the relationships that you formed prior to Dancing with Stars
before joining obviously not like I think. When I said that,
it was a quick response to when we had Dave
Quinn on last week and he was like, why do
you believe people get so intimate? And I'm like, because
it is like an arranged marriage, and it is very much.
(01:35):
You have to get close fast, right, because what is
the most important thing to build is trust with one another,
and in order for that to happen, you have both
let your walls down and let the other person in quickly,
like time is not on our side, right.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, And I think too, it's also hard to let
that relationship go if you had a really great season together,
you had a long run. I know of at least
one or two contestants, they would hate it when they're
former partner went and got a new celebrity contestant. There
was a little bit of jealousy there. I was privy
to a conversation once and I thought, this is so fascinating.
(02:10):
But you get a lot of attention not only from
your partner, but also from the press around this opportunity
that you're.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Doing names kidding, I'm kidding. No, you're right, and I've
experienced and like pretending I'm so shocked. Of course, yes
it is. I will never forget like we used to
be a part of Upfront, like in the beginning when
the ratings were like through the roof and we I'd
have a couple of my dancemar Also for All Stars,
I had four partners of mine where I think was
(02:37):
a four or three. I had gial Marini Drew Emmett No.
Three and that was awkward. It was weird for me too,
by the way, and I'm sure it was very awkward
for them. But yes, you form this bond and there's
nothing like your first time doing it. Even if you
do All Stars, it's like the first time for anything.
You have no expectations, right, You're just like, okay, let's
(02:59):
just do what you want to do it. Then you
tend to compare. But I believe I don't want any
celebrities or future celebrities who have listened to this to
think not that they have to be single to do
the show, because I am always a cheerleader for this show.
I believe that everybody, if possible, should experience something like
this because it is life changing and it leaves a
mark and a lasting impression on everybody's life, as you've
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heard here on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, and I think it's important it's open the dialogue
of communication if you do have a significant other, just
so that they understand they feel a part of the rehearsal.
I think some of the pros are really good about
inviting this. Spout is just going to say, yeah, the
more you do that, the better off the season is
going to be for everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And lib boundaries, Like really, it's important because also you
know Emmett for example, he there was no negotiation. We
flew back to Dallas every week because he needed to
be with his family. He only gave me four hours
of his time and he promised that he was going
to work on it when he was not in the studio.
When you do that, you know, and I also try
to include Pat as much as possible, his you know
(04:01):
now ex wife. But still they're very you know, friendly,
still together, and you know they were they brought me
into their home. We it was over like a Thanksgiving
I think during season three and I remember just having
Thanksgiving dinner with them and like, it is it must
I can't even imagine being the person who's not a
part of the show and who is that, you know,
the partner in all of this. It must be very
(04:22):
hard and communication is key, and yes, to any new pros,
it's very important to include the whole family into this huge,
I guess chapter in the lives of the celebrity contested. Yeah,
and I think that's.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know, I know that people like to grab the
headlines of everything that you're saying. You know, you're like,
it was just one sentence, but it really isn't kind
of an all encompassing show and it's one of those
things you just you do have to consider it before
you say yes. And so yeah, I'm going to sign
up for the show. Ask your spouse, like, how are
you going to feel about me dancing with another person
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all season?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Because there are a few people that have said no
that I know of as well, that that's the reason
why they had never done the show before because they
don't feel comfortable. And that's okay, yep, it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Might not work for the dynamics of their relationship, and
you know totally. As long as everyone's on the same page,
it's all.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Good, absolutely okay, Ken Jennings. So people are like, I
don't I'm not so familiar with him, to be quite honest,
like I'm more of a real fortune time girl. But
I do love me some Jeopardy now. I guess. He
was on social media this past Thursday on May thirtieth,
and his fans are demanding for him to compete in
(05:34):
the next season of Dancing with the Stars, and he
basically said, nobody in America wants to see me do
Dancing with the Stars. I promise I will save you
that in dignity, I say, you know what, believe them,
believe the celebrity when they say they have no dance experience.
And to be quite honest, if you really don't want
to do it, you downside, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm going to agree with Ken on this one. I
don't think I want to see him on Dance with
the Stars, and it has nothing to do with his
hosting ability or doing his work on Jeopardy. I think
he's a little buttoned up and I don't necessarily think
he would let loose for the experience because Jeopardy is
one of those more serious game shows, and I feel
like he wants to portray that role. Alex Trebek never
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would have come on Dancing with the Stars either, and
I feel like Ken follows in his footsteps and that legacy,
and it just wouldn't happen. And I think the more
that contestants sort of lean in not only into the
vulnerability of it, but also into the sparkle and the
unbuttoned shirts and things like that that just make the
show fun. He had the ruffles, all of that. The
(06:38):
more fun you're going to have, and of course the
more that the viewers are going to respond to you.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It could go the opposite where he embraces this whole
process Ken Jennings, and he's just all of a sudden,
you see a different side. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I feel like it won't happen though, you know
what I mean. I just feel like this is like
the viewers saying, come on, do Dancing with the Stars.
But I'm not even sure that, Like Dina Katz would
be like, yeah, he's at the title things, I lists, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Don't think so. And speaking of you know, the new
cast for Traders, so the same casting director I'm just
saying that cast Traders also cast Dancing with the Stars,
so don't be shocked if you see some similar names.
Tom Sandival, do you see?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I don't think that she'll cast Tom Sandbal.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Do you think why?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I feel like we're so over the scandabal of it all.
I think he's perfect for Traders because he's been a
villain on vander Pump Rules for so long. But I
feel like, after Ariana just did this particular season, we've
moved on. And my thought was Jax and Brittany, who
are on the Valley, they're former vander Pump Rules and
they're going through this like crazy separation. Are they together?
(07:43):
Aren't they together? I feel like they're more newsworthy right
now than Sandibal.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Actually it, he does remind me of like another Tom
Sandival in a way, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
They are two peas in a pod, honestly, And when
she told him years ago to rotten Hale, he should
have rotted in hell then and just let every you know,
everyone should have gone their separate ways.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Dina needs to do. So we should do a villain season. Duh, God,
I just come up with such great ideas. Are you sure?
I shouldn't be yours. I mean right, because they do
this show on e It's like, isn't it called the
Villain House of Villains? Yeah, villains.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, they could do a villain season the Dancing with
the Stars. Yes, here's the other thing I was thinking about,
because right now, getting on the Traders is the hottest
reality show. People were campaigning left and right on social media. Yes,
I mean, I've seen it last season, but it's so good.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It is.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I was so into it in season two and everyone
wanted on this particular season, season three that the cast
was just announced for, And I'm like, I wonder how
hard that makes Dina's job in terms of casting Dancing
with the Stars, and she also casts the Mass Singer,
which was the prior taught show, and before that it
was Dancing with the Stars. Like, everything has its ebbs
and its flows, and right now everyone wants to be
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on the Traders.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Do you think that they do a good job of
like do they use the same stars, like let's say,
Dancing with Stars to Messinger or like is there a
good mix? Do you believe I've ever seen Messinger?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So we've seen a lot of Dancing with the Stars crossover.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Sometimes I feel like there's too many of the same
faces over and over again. I go, oh, that's a
Dana cat show. That's Diana cat show. And you get
people who obviously want to work. There's nothing wrong with that.
We all have bills to pay. But you've almost seen
them on too many reality competition shows, and so sometimes
I'm like, we need a beat or something, We just
(09:35):
need a moment or something just to have a break
from them. But you do see those faces show up
over and over again.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you also have to think, like, who else would
do it? Like sometimes right like and there's also some
faces that I heard did Mastering or that I was like,
why I want they to do Dancing with the Stars too.
You know, It's just like it just depends on the person.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, Abby Douglas who did Massive and one. I was like,
why was she not on Dancing with the Stars. But
she's very shy and she was very adamant. She's like,
it was great having the mask on my who totally
didn't have to perform. She's like, I could perform for myself,
but I didn't have to perform for an audience per se.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
What do you think of the cast for Traders for
season three.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm excited by Boston Robb from Survivor who is he
is the Master. If you're looking for like a trader
a villain, that's that's your guy, because he's nice or
he's hilarious and he's really good at strategy, and The
Traders is a game of strategy. Chrishelle coming back.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
She should be a Trader.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
She'd be a great trader, I think, because she's really sweet.
But I think that she could play both sides of
it all totally. Yeah, I'm interested to see Nikki on it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh, yeah, she should not be a Trader either. Should
obviously Tom, that's obvious.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
No, I think Tom's going to go out early too.
I think people just don't want to like a Max. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well Max wasn't even that early. Everyone was saying he
got out first. He wasn't out first.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, he wasn't out first, but I feel like he
was out second or third.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But I feel like you can tell when they don't
do Master interviews with these people. You're like, oh, like
you know what I mean, Like you could tell when
they're not being shown as much, because I'm like, where's Max?
I want to see Max and then.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You're like, oh, he's gone.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But even before he was gone, you're like oh, and
then you start to like I have all this like
whole thing, like you know, conspiracy theory. He's like, oh, well,
since he doesn't have as much talking time as so
and so maybe they just don't want him on. Like,
I don't know what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I think, well, Traders is such a social game and
you have to be able to play the personalities, and
I think that, you know, for him, it might have
been a little bit overwhelming. He was smart though, because
he made a couple of good points and he's like,
this person is not the trader. Why aren't you guys
seeing it? So I think he was stepping back and analyzing,
which was his kind of sharp skill in the game,
but they just didn't give him an opportunity to really
(11:58):
utilize it, and then he was it off.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
How are they not saying it? It's almost so obvious.
Maybe it's just more obvious to us as the viewer, I.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Know, And that's the thing. That's why I think Tom
Sandoval doesn't play a great social game. So if he's
not given that opportunity to play his deceitfulness, because he's
obviously good at but.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
They would be stupid to eliminate him first because they god,
I mean, they must know that he's not the Trader, Like,
there's no way that'd be so obvious.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And he probably will be good TV too, because everyone
loves to hate him.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So do you think it's like scripted kind of rigged?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I wouldn't doubt that some of these people probably knew
that they were going to be cast and started forming
alliances before they even made it to Scotland.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Do you think that they know if they're the Trader
or not?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
You don't know until you get on site. Because Alan comes.
As far as I know, even the producers didn't know
who the Traders were going to be. It's all up
to Alan.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Oh really, yes, No, I don't believe that. There's no
way there's got to be some zoom call like with
the one executive. This is what we know. This is
what we know.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but
that is what has been publicly made available.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Oh I love it. Okay, Steve Gutenberg remember that guy? Yes, Now,
I don't know if you heard, but during his time
on the show, I forgot what season it was, but
he does with Anya Trebunskaya, and he was so into
this show that he would rehearse. This was back when
we can just rehearse for as many hours as we wanted,
Like literally, we'd be like, can we book Third Street
from like ten to ten? Thank you? Like and we
(13:32):
might stay later. And so that was back then. And
he would snap at the studios because she wanted to win.
I think he just wanted to get the dance like.
I don't think he so. And I love him even
more after this article because he basically says, and anyone
who's stepping into this entertainment industry or anyone who may
(13:52):
be a new pro dancer on the show these words.
This is great advice. He needs to do a manual
on like going into the entertainment industry. But he basically said,
there was love if you succeeded, and no love if
you didn't succeed. My publicist at the time said, you're
a beautiful racehorse, and when you stop winning, they send
you to the glue factory. But it's so true, you know,
(14:15):
And he said, I figured I had nothing to lose.
He says of moving to La from Long Island after
high school graduation in seventy six and taking a shot
at acting. He said, my mom and dad both gave
me a double make care attitude. If it didn't work,
big deal, I'd come home. I had nothing to lose.
And then he landed his first commercial basically the first
couple of weeks that he was living here in Hollywood.
(14:35):
And he also said, I didn't like the culture. He
says that the movie industry, it got to me. Young
actors are very competitive, and I didn't make many friends.
So I decided to go back to school. And he
said that I was guarded about it as far as
his time on like going back, because he then got
cast to do Three Men and a Baby Police Academy,
and he says of basically, he said I was guarded
(14:57):
about that time. He said, I still am. It's definitely
a hardcore business, and when you're hot, you're hot, but
when you're not always hot. It was the fashion industry,
you go in and out of fashion. So I always
kept my mind realistic about it, which is so smart
of him.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It's a healthy attitude and to always have it sounds like,
you know, he used his education as a backup plan
at one point, or you know, just to not sit
there and obsess about it, because artists, when you're down,
it is so easy to obsess about, like why aren't
I doing better?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Why did I get this job?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The desperation And when you go into an audition in
a dry spell, they can smell the desperation coming out
of your pores and you don't want that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I mean, fans can smell it from when you see
us dancing on Dancing with the Stars, like when you're
really vying for that mirror bal and you're not there
for the right reasons, like and let's say, all of
a sudden, you become super competitive. It's like it's not
necessarily something you want to watch or root for.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's true, and you know, because there is that voting
component with the viewers. When they smell that desperation for
some reason, it turns people off and then they're not
voting for you.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It happened to me and Jill, like it was all
fun and games until that until something, until he knew
he you know, we were good, Like he was great.
He still is one of my best partner, not even
gonna take that away from him, but like it became
competitive and I think it. And then you're up against
America's sweetheart, right, you're up against Sean Johnson, and like,
oh no, yeah, you about to lose. But we're not losers.
(16:24):
We're just in second place.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But if they feel like it's so strange because there's
that balance of like you have to take it seriously
but not too seriously. You have to have fun but
not be like so goofy about it. So if you're
not within that like fine line of it all, that's
where you lose the.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Bara ball, which and fans can also smell when you're
not into it because I've tried it all, Christen, I
tried it all because shame on you, and shame on
you if you do it the other way like that,
you just can't win sometimes, right, So but then you're like, well,
you know what, actually I just need to stop overthinking it,
like I just need to do my job and let
go surrender.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, and that contestant is like so done with the
show and wants to be off.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And then even the why answers you can tell.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, they're phoning it in and I you know.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I was just gonna say that I hate that saying.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I hate but it's true though, and we.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But is it though, it's not really, They're not really
just phoning it in. It's like I think, like they
care so much that they're trying not to care so much.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I think sometimes and this does happen, and I think
this was more of when you guys had two seasons
a year and tours and tours, and so there was
a bit of burnout. And when there's a bit of burnout,
oftentimes your creativity, you know, takes a diff and so
oftentimes you're like, I'm just going to recycle some choreography
because I just need to get through this week. And
it's it's a fight or flight kind of mode. And
(17:43):
but the viewers have been watching long enough that they
start to notice some of the repetitive choreography sometimes, or
that maybe the pro doesn't feel as joyous about the
show or maybe not joy towards there.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Maybe they're just upset, yeah, or that there's that too,
I mean, they feel discouraged.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And because the pro roster has stayed relatively steady at
least for the last decade, you can really start to
read people's moods and kind of yeah, you know, generate
like okay, they're having a really good season, or they're
not really into the season.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think in their defense, though, to be quite honest,
it's like it's more probably just feeling so discouraged because
like we try so there's no way that you can
say I don't. I mean, I haven't experienced anything like
as far as oh, I'm just going to phone it
in like I but I did feel like no matter
what I did wrong, right, technically correct, technically not, it
(18:35):
was always going to end up the way it was.
And I think when I started to have that mentality
and kind of stopped having the I am just you know,
anything goes because, like you know, you do as human
beings too, like we get used to, I guess, certain
a certain routine on the show, and then when you
(18:56):
start to see it sometimes and you're like, oh, wait,
no matter what though, no matter how hard I work,
no matter how many hours, no matter how many secret rehearsals,
no matter who I get help from, no matter what,
because you're in this entertainment industry, you're gonna get people
who are not going to like you. But what I
needed to say to myself was instead of like getting
all down in the outs and feeling sorry for myself.
I need to be like, well, that's just the name
(19:17):
of the business, you know, And I wish I was
like I had a different mentality, but I lived and
I learned, and so I think that came across as
for example, with me that I was checked out.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And I think also now, like we're in twenty twenty four,
the show has been on a long time. We've heard
more experiences through your podcast and through other interviews that
there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes
that the pros cannot control and it ca nind of
affect your experience on a specific season, and I think
the viewers are more understanding of that too. Now wait
(19:50):
a minute, yeah, like this is you know, this aspect
of the show isn't necessarily fair to the pros we've had,
i think executive producers, but at certain times that I
don't think we're really letting you guys shine the way
you should be able to shine. And yeah, and I
think that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Because then you take our art away. Like I used
to love these results shows because like it only takes
us an hour to put these routines together, but we
can dance to our potential and like when you take
that away. Also, your dancing suffers too, right.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Macy Stars of Dance, I miss those. You guys had
lots of opportunities to do these really high concept things.
I understand it's a budgetary thing too, but at the
same time, it's robbing everyone. It's robbing you guys on
the creative side, it's robbing us as audience members.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's a bar Yeah, and I think obviously that happened
when the ratings were so high. Emmitt Smith, did you
see his Instagram post about Larry Allen? So sad? I
mean I was crying basically. EMMITTT. Smith said in his
Instagram video that he's had a loss of words right now.
Such a good dude, great players, super person. It just
(20:58):
breaks my heart. Life is very fragile, and we're only
here for a moment. We need to make the best
out of every moment and not take people for granted. Amen.
My heart goes out to Harry Allen and his family. Okay,
(21:20):
So I was pretty close to Shana season three, and
I have to say that Shana has nothing but love
for Travis, and I think always will. I think it's
just I think it's just painful, you know, in general,
but also her kids. She loves, like she has absolutely
like she will drop everything for her kids. Now she
comes from two very public marriages and divorces, unfortunately with
(21:42):
Oscar de la Joya and with Travis, and look this
whole thing, and now that he's with a Kardashian like Courtney,
it cannot be easy, like and he's obviously super happy,
like they look like I've never seen Courtney so happy
in my life, Like literally, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You open up every webpage and it's especially when they
first started dating. It's Travis and courtant like making out.
And even though she and Travis were Shana and Travis
were long over, it doesn't make it any easier because
they're still co parenting and you have to navigate that
and that could be a tricky, tricky thing to do.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And of course it comes with like I just remember
my parents who didn't co parent because my dad flew
to Asia and just decided to live there. However, I
always had a relationship with both obviously, and I never
once for me, I guess it never went through my mind,
like who's it better compete, compete, compete. I had two
completely different relationships, mind you, with my mom and dad,
(22:36):
So I'm hoping that that's the same, and hopefully this
is just all in a way. And I say this
with all due respect. In her head, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Seems like in reading the article too. She said that
her kids were now sharing pictures with her of baby Rocky,
and maybe the baby will kind of just bring them
all together in a way and unite them. Obviously it's
not Shane's child, but if her kids are enjoying their
new sibling, that's a great thing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Right And look at she she also had a kid
with Oscar de la Hoya, so it's like that. It's
just a mixed family, you know. And this is twenty
twenty four for you. But just to give the listeners
a little backstory here, but she just did the Jeff Lewis.
I've been hearing a lot about this podcast, Jeff Lewis Live.
Have you heard it?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It is It's good, It's easy.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Tea gives all the tea, doesn't it all the tea?
She said that she used to find herself in competition
with the Travis when it came to their parenting. Chops,
I gave up, she said, I was never really trying
to compete. I gave that up a long time ago.
I was like, you win, like you're the winner. And
she added that my ex is a very powerful famous person.
It's kind of hard to compete on that level. Basically,
(23:41):
Shana says, and it admits that. You know, look, when
the Kardashians first came around, they were enamored, just as
like young kids would be enamored by them. I think
that there was a lot of glitter and fame, and
they watched them on TV. As far as their parents,
their kids go, Shana and Travis's kids, and now their
dad is dating one and they're going to be on
(24:02):
the show, and I think they got caught up in
that which young kids would do. While appearing on the podcast,
Shana basically accused Travis of cheating on her. She claimed
that she discovered email sent to Travis by multiple women
while setting up a FaceTime call with her kids on
his computer.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It always electronics everyone into trouble. I have a friend
who lived with Shana for a little bit going on really.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, way back when she did dancing.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, I think it was after that they crossed over
with the Miss USA pageant. Okay, that's where their link was.
But it was after her she and Travis had split,
and she just said it was a really tough relationship
for both of them to navigate trying to take care
of the kids and trying to figure out their own
emotions and what their post relationship looked like. You know,
(24:52):
what does that? How do you navigate through that?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean, I went through one public divorce. I can't
first all, imagine too let alone have kids right like
that is it can't get messy. But then you know,
like speaking of co parenting, Jenny Garth just had her
ex on her podcast, and I didn't realize that her
and Peter Fetchinelli were together since they were twenty one
years old.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
When I was reading that same to here, I was like,
where did I miss the fact that he was just
in la like six months and then he was pregnant
with it, you know, he and Jenny were pregnant with
their first kids. I'm just like, how did I miss
all of that?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I know, and I do remember them being together when
she did Dancing with the Stars, but like so clearly
they were already together for many many years when she
did that show, which was season four of the show.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
If you had told me, I would have said, Oh,
they were thirty when they had their first kids.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Right right twenty one? Like, so, was she still a
part of nine on Twinzho then yeah, yeah, must have
been at the height. That's crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Because she did have her she was pregnant on the
show one season, like you can you know, they do
the we have to hide to your belly behind a
suitcase or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She is so kind, she's a really like she always
makes sure that she makes eye contact. I'm very like
sensitive to it, and she really doesn't get distracted when
talking to you, Like she's very engaged and I appreciate that.
And I just love that she's so open. And I
bet you that this whole process of having this podcast
and her own personal podcast with iHeart is very therapeutic
(26:20):
for her.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
You know, Oh, I imagine so. And I've interviewed her
a few times myself, and she's always kind, always sweet.
I've never you always get a feel for someone when
you have had the opportunity to interview them several times.
Everyone has a bad day every once in a while,
but never, never with Jenny. She is always the person
who just like shows up and is there no matter.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
What he said. There was a part of me. He
said that I was very conflicted when filing for you know,
the divorce, and there was a part of me that
was like do I stay in this? And he recalled
all of this to himself obviously before he filed. He said,
I also felt gutted to break up family in our family,
(27:00):
and it wasn't an easy decision by any means. So
they have three daughters, Luca, Lola, and Fiona, who are
all grown young women. Jenny said, it's almost like, on
one hand, they missed out as far as that ideal,
you know, family goes. You just can't talk shit about
the other parent to the kids, Like I just know
that that must affect the kids. I don't have kids,
(27:22):
and I'm not telling anyone how to do it, but
like any negativity I think, or bad mouthing, my mom
never did that though she could have, Like my dad
was a player, she could have, but never once did she.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, my brother and his girlfriend had a child just
out of college and they split up a few years later,
and it was tense at first, but our families just
everyone rallied around each other, and she wound up getting
married to somebody else and had you know, kids too,
but our whole families were able to spend holidays together, graduations, weddings,
all of that because we just put my niece Julia first,
(27:58):
and that's all that matters. A happy, healthy kid.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It is important to just try and at least be
I guess more balanced as far as like watching your words,
because we're very observant as little toddler's that's right.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Cordial, civil is fine. You don't have to be best friends,
but the more you can get along, the better it
is for the kids.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Let's end with James Vanderby going back to school. I
can't believe that. So how did you like him and
Emma together? Like, what was your vibe with them?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I loved them together. I love his flexibility, his lines.
He was really fun to watch that season. And I
will say that one of the hardest times to be
backstage was the night that he was eliminated. And if
you remember, Ali was like, take my place. You deserved
that place. So if everyone remembers James's wife had a
(28:48):
miscarriage that week.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I remember that it was gut wrenching, devastating, awful because they.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Had already shared the exciting news with all of the
dancing with the Star's viewers. And what was nice about
James in Emma's partnership is that they shared a lot
on social media too. They were really active, so I
think everyone felt really engaged and really involved. And James
and his very big family because all the kids were
really little and cute, Brady Buch Yeah, and he was
doing a great job. I think everyone thought he was
(29:14):
a guarantee to make it to the finals.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh, I hate that. So it wasn't Juan Pablo, because
that's not what happened with Juan Pablo. That was the
reason why they did that the following season. The following
season got it okay, I hear you, ye, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, So that was the thing, and it just came
down to the judges siding Elly do that. I don't know,
And you know, the fact that James was in Jeopardy
to begin with is it was a questionable thing in
my head because even though it wasn't necessarily his best
best week, people making judgments of like he should be
home with his wife when his wife was like, no,
(29:56):
please continue on as long as you can and bring
joy to our family right now.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Wait, I'm so sorry. There's because everything's going through my
head right now. Who was the executive? Who was the showrunner?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Not Conrad nos Andrew.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And the package was about this, wasn't it. There's no
way they were voted They were not not voted in.
There's no way. What was there's previous what was the
score of the night of the week before?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Really good? I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh yeah, there's no way to me, sorry, like there's
no way.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
As a viewer, James probably taking out the you know,
the medical crisis, taking that out of the equation, you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I'm just saying, like, had that not happen, he
to me would have been a top three contestant in
that finale for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
So then what the hell happened? Because like, how did
he get voted off? It wasn't like him saying, because
he would have had a bow out if he you
know what I'm saying, like he would have been like
I'm stepping down, like I need to focus on the.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Family on camera that like his wife was like, no,
continue going forward, I want you to do this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It looks so bad on the show. That's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
And being backstage, you know, when we're in the media
room when you're sitting around the George Pinocchios and everyone.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Else, Yes, it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
There's a lot of gossip that goes around, and all
of us were just like like, after the whole thing happened,
none of us really wanted to even do the press line.
It just was really sad and depressing. Had he stayed
to me, it would have been like uplifting, like, let's
turn the story around. Let him go and do this
freestyle for his wife and his family. And he didn't
get that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Do you really think that was the case for the
votes and the jud judge just or there's no way.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, I was shocked that the judges went in that direction.
Not that Ali wasn't great, but Ali would oftentimes and
no one yell at me for this, but she would
never make it through a dance without a mistake. She
would always like misstep or get off beat or whatever,
and that would happen every week and they'd be like ten,
and I'm like, how was she getting a ten? It's
a solid nine. She's improving every week.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So James Vanderbeek. First of all, Leah's back. Lea Remenie
is back in school as well, and I love how, like, look,
school always be there. My sister's about to graduate from
UCLA the graduates program as like directing and all of that.
But what's not always there are these opportunities that come
at you, whether that be from the entertainment industry or
whatever job or career path you choose. I have been
(32:17):
also at a point in my life where I'm super curious,
so I just love that people are embracing that you're
never too old to go back to school.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And the wonderful thing about now that we have like technology,
you can do school online. You do not have to
go and live in another state. You can still pursue
your career wherever you are and still take course work
and get your degree if you want to.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Listen, don't take any advice for me. I'm a high
school graduate period, but I believe sometimes a lot of
people change their career paths, and I think that, look,
people are going to hire people who have experience, not
so much with books in front of their faces for
the last few years, but more about like worldly experience.
I still think traveling and just like just being in
(32:58):
different cultures is the best at education really, and.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I think the student loan crisis is a testament to
maybe alternative forms of education. So we're doing things different,
like maybe doing community college for a few years and
then do two years at a four year school if
you want a degree.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I have to ask you about seven m.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh, what the f did you watch the Netflix documentary half? Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It freaks me out, And I want to have I
want to have the sister and her parents on.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, you should have Miranda on is this real? It's real?
So this has been going on for two years, by
the way, and so I was. It was unfolding in
real time on Instagram, not on TikTok where you know
Miranda and b Dash?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Are I see her? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, you see her with I don't know Slavic Vic
White from So You Think You Can Dance? So I
know Vic. He's still in I know B Dash from
World to Dance Dance.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yes, yes, did you have? Did you like? Can you
talk to them? Or now they won't.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I might be able to talk to Slavic because he
and I I've stayed. I've left the door open because
I'm really concerned about him. I'll really yeah, And I
just want to make sure that if and when he
comes out that he feels supported in love. That's all
I can hope. It's just really sad, is what it is. Sad.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Okay, Kristin, thank you so much. It's always so great
to catch up with you. What are you working on next?
Where can people find you?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You can catch me every morning on the Tom Bernard Show.
I do a fifteen minute entertainment report at seven point
fifteen Pacific time, so you can catch me there. And
of course you'll see my articles all over the internet.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Is it a podcast or it's yeah, it's a live podcast,
so anywhere you listen to podcasts you'll find it. Yep.
Thanks Kristin. Thank you to my amazing cost Kristin Burt
for coming and co hosting our Headlines and Hot Topics
weekly series. Everyone make sure to follow Kristin Bert at
the Kristin Burt and the Podcast on Instagram, threads, and
TikTok at sex Life and spray Dance across all platforms.
(35:02):
Don't forget there are more new and exciting interviews coming
to you every Monday to talk about their experiences on
Dancing with the Stars. This Monday, I sit down with
the one and only Christiane de La fente, so stay
tuned for that until next time. People
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