Episode 89: “Life Before Death” with Scientific Atheist turned Medium, Martin Twycross

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matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty
five years, I've been on a journey to prove the
existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss
the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades
of the Afterlife. Every now and then, I like to
talk to somebody who was a true skeptic, even perhaps
an atheist, and then somehow got involved in the world
of the afterlife. Today, I want you to meet Martin
twy Cross, who not only became a medium, but he

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has done so much investigation. He has courses on mediumship,
a great class about mediums of the past, and all
kinds of good things at his Martin Twycross dot com website.
He's also been the man responsible for bringing the Gordon
Higginson dot c O dot UK site to the world,

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and if you don't know, Gordon Higginson is probably the
biggest reason we have media ship in its current form
here today. So scientifically minded, Martin, I'll let you tell
your story absolutely, so yeah, you're very very correct in
terms of my approach. You will have noticed it is

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quite logical, quite scientific, So I am very much. I
have a very strong science background. I studied sciences at
school and I went on to do a physics degree
and then i did a master's an environmental science. So
I've got a very scientific background. And you're also right.
For quite some time I was an atheist. I'm highly skeptical.

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I'm still that skeptical medium for me, if something's real,
you'd have to prove it to me. I won't take
anything at first glance, and I will share something with you.
As a as a student and in my late teens,
I really didn't believe in religion. I didn't believe in
any of our holy books or anything like that. And

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I thought all people who followed religion blindly following things
that had no evidence, no proof. I used to really
enjoy having conversations with them, trying to tell them that
what they were believing was a load of rubbish. What
you mean, it's quite ironic really that, you know, I
find myself where I am now, and I'll say something

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else with you. It's quite funny. At one point during
one of those conversations, I was arguing with the very
much a born again Christian about there is no God.
And I'd had quite a bit to drink at the time,
which made my argument all the stronger, and then all
of a sudden I was I said, you know, there
is no God, and I all I can describe is
this feeling pushing me into this chair, like a huge hand,

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just pushing me down into the chair. I thought, this
is really odd. So it stopped when I didn't say anything,
But when I said there is no God, it happened again.
And it only happened when I said there is no God,
and I thought that's ever so odd. So at that
point in time, I went agnostic, so I longer believed
there wasn't a God, but I believe there was something,

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but I don't know what. But whenever I argue there
was no God, something strange happened to me. So I
thought I better, I better open to the possibility and
of maybe there is something. It's strange really, because I
really thought things like mediumship and spiritualism was just people
who were grieving or vulnerable, who were trying to clutch
at straws, trying to believe in something. Right. I agree.

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I felt the same way exactly, and you know I
and it found a strange In my early twenties, mid twenties,
I I found myself sharing a house, a bunch of
guys in a house, and one of them was a spiritualist.
He went to church every Sunday and we used to
have discussions about spiritualism and religion, and he was quite
quite normal actually, and he said, you know, you should

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come along to this church, and so I did. I
went to my first spiritualist church and he said, if
you because you don't believe, if you should come to
this evening, which is what we call a transfiguration evening.
And transfiguration is a form of physical mediumship, and it's
where an extoplasmic mask builds up over the face of
the medium and takes on the facial features of somebody

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in the spirit world. And the thing about physical medium
ship is it should be visible to everybody, believers and
nonbelievers alike, So even like me, who was a skeptic,
I should have seen it. So I went along and
I sat in a very darkened room with about fifty people,
and I saw nothing apart from the best thing. I
can describe it as as a guy at the front gurning,

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pulling strange faces, and everyone else would say, wow, have
you can you see the Native American? I'm saying nope,
can you see this man? I'm saying nope, nope. So
that convinced me more than anything that most of them
were deluded and it was all in their mind. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And then he said, you know, okay, that wasn't a
great example, and maybe you should go and have a
reading with a medium. So say, well, okay, you know,

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I'm I'm scientific. I can't pooh pooh something until I
get some evidence for it. So I went along to
the medium he recommended, who was supposedly a good medium.
I took my notebook. Everything she said was written down
as evidence, and I scored it all afterwards as to
how accurate it was, and it wasn't really very good
to be truthful, maybe thirty accuracy, but a few things

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she said I I had to go away and check
with my mom, And in checking it, it turned out
there's a few bits in there are a few gems
that were actually quite good, but the majority was it
was really I would call it, you know, cold reading
techniques and things like that. You know. I turned up
in a nice car that was quite a quick car,
and she said, you like to drive quite quickly. And
I'm thinking, I'm in my mid twenties and I've got

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a sports car outside. What do you think? It doesn't
take Sherlock Homes to figure that out. But there was
a couple of bits and there that still had my attention,
and I thought that's interesting, but still on my meet
my view of mediums was that I'm not happy about it.
I didn't really believe it. And then for me, the
trigger for me was in two thousand and one when

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my mom she got very ill and she had a
massive stroke and basically ultimately it took her to the
spirit world. And I had a premonition of the exact
moment in time she would die. I knew it within me,
and I told all the family, and we've had a
lot of occasions where it looked like she was going
to go, but she didn't, and all the family thought

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I was mad, and all the family said, you know,
you're crazy. So I was only one there at the time,
and even the nurse, nurses and doctor said to me, Martin,
go home, you're crazy, and I said, no, it's going
to happen at three am the morning this day, and
sure enough time came, and it wasn't till about twenty
minutes beforehand that she started to deteriorate, and the nurses

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and doctors suddenly realized, actually, he's right, so they rang
the family, but sadly they weren't able to get there,
so it's just me who was there with her. I mean,
I think it's one of the most beautiful things to
be able to be with someone at the moment they passed.
For me, it's you know, it is a real privilege.
And at the exact moment she passed, I just knew

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within my very being that she was not dead, that
she was still alive, just in another dimension. I can't
say how I knew. I had no idea. I just knew,
so I sent the thought to her, well, I'm going
to go and find a Spiritualist church, and if you
can come along, that'll be wonderful. My family had lived
quite a distance from where I lived, so I stayed
there a little while to sort a few things out.

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Then when I got the chance to, which was about
two weeks later, I went to my local Spiritualist church
and I went along, and I was pretty skeptical. I
sat in the very back corner, kind of hiding, not
really wanting to be there, and the medium came to me,
maybe the second or third link, and he said, I'm
coming to the man in the back corner who's got
his arms folder, who looks like he doesn't want to
be there. And I'm looking around myself, thinking who's that?

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And it was me, And he brought my mom through,
and he gave me this most phenomenal evidence, and he
told me exactly what happened at the moment she passed.
And I know there's nobody else there other than me
my mom, and I knew beyond doubt. That was her communicating.
I knew beyond out that medium ship at that moment
in time was real, and not everyone is as lucky

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as that to get that kind of excellent evidence on
their first visit. So I thought, that's amazing. And I
was talking afterwards, and he said, well, we have a
demonstration tomorrow night where our training mediums get to go
on platform, something we call an open platform. If you're
so interested, come along tomorrow night. So I did, and
the next night I got another message from my grandfather

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in spirit with some very specific stuff about his jobs
and all sorts of things. And in the course of
two days I was given so much evidence that proved
to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that mediumship
was real. But on that very first visit, the medium
said something to the very end of his message and
he said, Martin, you are a medium also, and you
we didn't say Martin because didn't know my name. Actually

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he said, he said, you're a medium also, and you
will work on platform within eighteen months. And if I
was thought myself, there's no way I want to be
a medium, There's no way I want to do what
you're doing. There's no way, no way. I want to
stand up in front of a group of people and
be the center of attention. But strangely, all of that
came true. Strangely, I did go to circle, I did

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start developing. I think within two months had already given
my first spirit link. And it just unfolded so rapidly.
My teacher didn't know nothing about the prediction given to
me by this medium, and she invited me to work
platform with her within eighteen months and it all came true.
And I said to her, I'm not ready, and she
said you are, and I said, no, I'm not. She said,
yes you are, and I said I'm not coming. She said,

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yes you are. Like, okay, I better do it all right,
And it worked. So that's how I went from being
that atheist, that skeptic two becoming a medium. And for me,
it was you know, and I changed in that process.
It has to change us. I believe when we are
touched by the power of spirit, when our soul is touched,

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it starts to change as a person. And a lot
of my friends kind of said, he's gone a bit mad.
He's you know, is going to that church all lot
that spiritualist church and it's a phase he's going through
and you'll grow out of it. And they didn't understand.
I didn't understand the degree of comfort you get when
you find out that there is no death, when we

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find out that our own loved ones are still alive.
People don't realize just how comforting that is, how wonderful
that is. And for me, I never forget how much
benefit it gave me. And that's one thing I remember
whenever I'm working as a medium now that I hold
that power within my hands. It's a huge responsibility meadership,

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Sure it is. You know when we when we work
for people, you know, we can become a bit blase.
You know. I wake up and yeah, I'm doing another
demonstration this evening. I'm doing some more private sittings. But
we forget that we're reuniting two worlds that, to all
intents and purposes, physically can no longer interact, but through
a medium they can. And it's a It's such a privilege,

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it really is. And I love that ability to do that,
and I love to help others to a fold that
ability as well. And Martin, I know I've seen many
hours of your videos. You're very normal you're very grounded,
and you've got a great sense of humor. A sense
of humors are really valuable too. I think it's one
of the most underestimated tools we can have actually, if
we can laugh, if we can laugh at ourselves and

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laugh at things and not think things so seriously that
we allow it to become such a problem for us,
it's great, it is, Martin. Will you share a little
bit about your journey developing your mediumship. I started my
journey locally within the local church, Hampton Hill Spirituous Church,
which is church I'm still very heavily involved in. UM.
It's still a very special It's my second home the moment.

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It's my home from home. Is that where you do
the videos? Indeed, that's that is the backdrop for the videos. Absolutely,
It's where I met my wife, It's where I got married,
It's it's plays a huge part in my life. Very nice,
Very nice, Martin. We're going to take a quick break,
and then when we come back, we'll hear more about
your adventure as a medium. You're listening to Shades of

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Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with
Martin twy Cross. Martin, you were mentioning that you began
your development in the churches. Was working in the churches enough? Um?
The problem is within churches, within that kind of environment
at the end of the day, Whilst the teachers generally

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are can be can be really good, if you want
to get the best teachers, you cut to go a
little bit further afield. And I always thought, well, if
I want to learn something, I want to learn it. Well,
if I want to learn it, I'd really like to
go and seek some of the finest teachers I can
the best exactly. And I did a bit of research
and the and that came up time and time again
was the other Finnay College. So I went to the

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other Finney College on one of their open days just
to have a look at it to understand it. And
I fell in love with the place there, and it's
such a beautiful place. It really has got such a
beautiful energy. And I booked on a course and I
went on the course and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and
I went on another one and I end up going
about three times a year for well. I think I
think I've done as a student probably about thirty six

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courses there, so over half a year of my life there.
That's amazing for me. I just enjoyed going with different teachers,
just learning as much as I can try to soak
up information like a sponge. I just love learning. I
don't think we ever stopped learning within our own development.
I still learn every single time I work. I still
learned with every demonstration. I still learned with every time

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I teach. It's always life is all about learning and
then sharing it. Exactly when I get the spirit world,
then I still want to keep learning. I'll just see
it from a different perspective. What have you learned about
the spirit world? Was it just another world? Similar it is? Well,
I guess most information on what the spirit world is
like comes through trans mediums. And trans mediumship is where

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a medium, if you like, just goes very, very passive.
It's almost like they slip into a form of meditation.
But the spirit spirit blends with with the medium and
blends with the mind of the medium, and spirit is
able to speak through them with their permission. So effectively,
the medium surrenders and allows spirit to blend with their
mind and speak through them. And we've had some really

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good examples of trans mediums in the past, mediums such
as Silver Birch, and they bring through a great deal
of information about what life is like in the spirit world.
But Funnily enough, you'll find that different communicators give a
different opinion of what life's like in spirit world. And
when you think about it, if I has to take
a hundred people who lived upon the Earth from a

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variety of different countries, different areas, different regions, and asked
them all what life was like on Earth, that will
tell me something different. Sure, So if you like it's
it's whatever we work with, this tinged with their own
experiences as spirits, and also whatever comes through any medium
I believe has a degree of coloration of the medium

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z own mind and the medium zone beliefs. It takes
an awful lot of development for the medium to be
minimized in the equation, and we call it the stained
glass effect, whereby what is presented has a degree of
staining or coloration, especially if the medium holds very very
strong beliefs or the medium has fixed views about things.

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So is it possible for us to ever find out
for definitely what life is like in the spurrow world? That?
I don't think so. But if you look at what
so many different people say. And I'm also a trans medium,
I've been developing that for a good six seven years,
and the guides also speak through me, and I like
to give my sitter as questions to ask them as well,

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because I'm I've got that kind of mind. But I
don't like to know what question is going to be
asked when, because my own mind will dwell upon it
or may color it. So I prefer not to if
questions asked, I like it to come out of the blue,
so my own mind can has less of a chance
to interfere. And generally from my own experiences and from
what I've read, you know, people the guide say that

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within the spirit world, it's a world of mind. It's
not a physical world. But when we go to bed
at night, we dream, and we dream of ourselves as
having bodies. So the mind is quite able to clothe
us within a body within a dream, and so the
mind is quite able to clothe us within the body,
within the spirit world. And generally we will create within
the spirit world with our own mind that with which

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we are familiar. So the world we go to will
effectively look a lot like the world we're familiar with anyway,
because that's what we're used to, and we interact as
a mind. We there is no separation through through physical space,
but they say, there are so many worlds within worlds
within the spirit realm, and effectively we just continue on,

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we continue our development the next stage within spirit. So
we move forward, you know, so we we don't instantly
become spiritual. We don't instantly turn into the dalai alarmor
our mother Teresa. When we get there, you know, we
were still effectively the same personality. We're still effectively the
same person we are here. But I say we have
many lives within lives here because if I look where

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I am now compared to where I was ten years ago,
compared to where I was twenty years ago, I'm a
different person. And different experiences make us have a different outlook,
and the more we learn it changes us. And so
I believe that even if we look at our earthly life,
we can see those changes, that growth taking place. Definitely,
it's the same within the spirit world, you know, when

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the spirit world will still get experiences to help our
soul to grow, to help us grow as that consciousness,
to help us grow as that mind. But I think
one thing we will find is that they say that
here in this earthly world we become separated. If you like,
we're kind of unplugged from the matrix. Here, we we
have this body that separates us smaller the people, so

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we don't feel connected to people. We don't see that
connection that exists with all of us. But when we
go back to the spirit world, we lose that body,
if you like. We become part of that ocean again,
whether we're back as a droplet within that ocean. We
whilst we maintain our own unique identity, our own unique personality,
we recognize the interconnectedness of all things and all people.

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So we end up with a slightly different perspective. And
they say that our life flashes before our eyes when
we pass. But I just believe it's that reconnection, that
reconnection where all experiences are maintained and held. We're just
accessing them all again. We're able to review our life
because all of that reservices to us. As mediums. We
get so many messages from people when they've gone to

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the spirit world about they get to see where they
go wrong, they get to see the mistakes they make.
They want to come back and make them ends. They
want to come back and say I'm sorry for being
that way. They come back to say to their loved ones,
I love you. I didn't tell you it. It's so important.
You know it, but I love you. I may not
have always shown it. My actions may not have shown it.
I may not have said it, but it's there. I

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think what really matters to us surfaces the most when
we're in the sporing world. Sometimes in this world we
get a bit caught up in our own experience, we
get a bit caught up in our own lives, and
we get we can move away from that, which it's
so important, you know, What's life in the spirit world
like is the same? Time is different. The guides tend
to say that the experiences we have I feel like

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our linear They follow one after the other. Growth takes
place progressively. Although time is different, so it's not like
the linear time we have here, So a lot of
time could have passed in the blink of an eye
or so time is different. But exactly how, it's quite
hard for us to understand because of the way we
experienced time and our lives here, so it's hard for

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us to a done that. But it is a huge topic.
I could probably talk about it. You could. You just
mentioned guides who are guides, So for me, guides are spirits.
They are people within the spirit world who choose to
work with those of us here, who choose to help
us in some way, to inspire us, to help us,

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to guide us, to teach us, to be a part
of our journey. And I believe everybody has a guide,
even if you're not aware of them, and you still
will have them. But if you're going to work with
your spiritual abilities, then absolutely they're there. They're going to
work with you. And for me, how many do you have, Well,
it depends what work you do, because if you do

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certain work, you'll attract people who will work with you
to do that. So if you do healing, you'll end
up with guides and helpers who work with the healing energies.
If you do mediumship platform mediumship, you'll end up with
guides who who are helping with that process. So how
many guides we have will depend upon what we do.
But all of us, I believe have at least one

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main guide. Most of us have considerably more and a
lot of the guides if you like you know, if
you have a theater show, you've got your main actors,
but there's a huge set of people behind the scenes
who get get the show on the road like great
visual Yes, And I believe it's the same. You know,
when whenever I demonstrate mediumship, there maybe one or two
guides who are kind of very heavily involved within the process.

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But I believe there's a multitude of other people who
are helping to train the communicators to work with us,
who are helping to create the right conditions for it
to happen, who are behind the scenes, just doing jobs
without any recognition. So I believe that it's not a
bad metaphor the sort of theater metaphor for it. Martin.
Are we all able to do mediumship? Well, there's two

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schools have thought. The first school of thought is that
you know, mediumship is a gift and only certain people
have that gift. And the second school of thought is
that medium ship as an ability or a faculty, just
like any other ability, the ability to draw, the ability
to do to do art, the ability to play music,
and we can all do all of those things to

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a degree. You know. For me. For me, I I'll
share a story. I always want to be a rock guitarist.
You know, I would have loved to have been fabulous
on guitar, and I purchased guitars. I purchased amplifiers, I
went for lessons. My tutor said to me, Martin, with
all due respect, as much as I love teaching you,
you're never going to be a guitarist, or at least

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you're going to struggle with it. You'll you'll be able
to knock something out of half speed, probably badly, but
you've got no sense of rhythm, you've got no sense
of timing, and it's just never gonna work brilliantly for you.
And I said, fair enough, But I enjoy it. I
enjoy looking about with it, and so I was able
to do it to a degree. But other people could
pick the guitar up and be fabulous quickly and had

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a real natural applitude and ability for it. Now you
might say they're gifted, and I wasn't, But I still
have some degree with practice with patients with a desire
to want to learn. Yeah, I can move forward. I
can progress with it, but my rate of progression is
different to theirs. So for me, mediumship is like any
other ability. I believe we all have it. We're all

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spirit here and now none of us are different. We're
all that soul upon the earth. We're all spirit here
and now. So because we are, we have that potential
within us to do it. But you've got to want
to learn to develop it. You've got to want to
show up in class, you've got to want to do
the teaching, the you want, you've got to want to
do the practice. And a lot of people, yeah, that

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love to play guitar, but you stick the guitar in
her hand and say, right, you do an hour day,
you do your scales and go, oh that's boring. I
don't do that, and they never they never develop it.
It's the same with mediumship. I agree. Can you talk
a little bit about the difference between psychic and mediumship, Yes, certainly.
I'll take a step backwards and I'll explain that mediumship

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and psychic function through our psychic senses, our psychic faculties
the psychic abilities, So they both use exactly the same
mechanism um. And we often speak about psychic senses by
terminology such as clairvoyance, which is seeing, class engines, sensing,
clair audience, hearing, and the like. Let's go to our

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I'm Sander Champlaine and we are talking with Martin ty Cross. Now, Martin,
you were just saying that you use the same ability
with psychic and mediumship. Could you tell us what the
difference is there any difference between psychic work and mediumistic work.
Is that with medium ship, the information is coming from

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a discarnate mind in the spirit world. With psychic work,
the information is coming from the energy of a person,
or it's coming from the energy of a place, or
it can even be coming from the energy of an object.
So we're working with something in the here and now.
With psychic work and with mediumistic work, we're linking to
the spirit world. We're linking to a mind within the

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spirit world, and that's where the information is coming from.
So yeah, that that's the main difference. But then again,
you see, um, if you were given an object that
she understood, it's quite possible her mom would understand the
object and know about the object. So sometimes it's not
always easy to pinpoint where the information is coming from.

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And you know, even if we get information about a
sitter about their health conditions, their loved one in the
spirit world generally knows what's going on with them. It
takes an interest in their health conditions. So say I'm
sitting there doing a sitting with someone and if I
go I've got a terrible stomach problem, I'm really feeling
did your mom have a terrible problem with her tummy?
And the say no, but that's me. But mom knows

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she's got that problem. So Mom maybe sending that information
to me, or I maybe picking it up just by
naturally tuning in psychically to energy. I pick up the
stomach problem. So can I prove whether it's received from
spirit or receive psychically? Not always so easily. No. The
part of us that works with mediumship is a subconscious mind,

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our creative mind, the part of the mind that is
our imagination. So mediumship action actually functions through your imagination.
So we're beginners. We often say, look, just make it up,
because we give them permission to use that creative aspect
of self. We give them permission to use the part
of the mind they need to do mediumship. And all
we do is a more experienced medium is we train

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our imagination to shut up, and we train our own
mind to stay out of it through meditation. Meditation is
the key to discipline our own mind to stop our
own thoughts coming in. But in the early stages, you
receive some of it from the spirit world, and you
receive some of it from your own mind, which tries
to add to it because your own mind is incredibly helpful.

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I should also say I'm a hypnotherapist as well. You
see our trained hypnotherapist, and as part of my training,
I to understand all about the mind and that gives
me another aspect and insight into how the mind works
and it it is that literally, that part of us,
that imagination, that intuition that we're working with, and that's
what we have to stimulate and train. All mediums generally

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have an active imagination, because that's what you're going to
have if you don't have it, that's what we try
to train it to get. And it's a lot easier
for women than men as well, because we often speak
about the subconscious mind being the right brain, the female brain,
and the conscious logical mind being the left brain, the
male brain. And for me, a lot of men they
find it quite hard to access that side of their mind.

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They find it quite hard to it's the emotional, touchy
feely side of us. So I would say, if you're
a man, you've got to be in touch with your
feminine side to do it absolutely. What is the power
that you the power it's it's not a physical power,
it's it's spiritual power. I'm very fond of a medium
called Gordon Higginson who was one of our finest mediums,

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and he was also the the president of the Spirituous
National Union for very many years, and also he was
the principle of the Arthur Finlay College for very many years.
In fact, he was keen setting up the other Finnay College.
But I won't tell you too much about him, but
one of his expressions was that power manifests the spirit
world to us. Power is what manifests spirit to the medium.

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So if you like, we can view power as a
fuel for mediumship. Powers and and this necessary thing to
make mediumship happen. So we all need to learn to
build power to be a medium. And an equation I
used as a medium equals a psychic plus power. And
we often say that all mediums are psychic, but not
all psychics are mediums. And to be a medium, we're
gonna have psychic abilities. Plus you've got to learn to

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build power. And the easiest way to build power is
through learning to build it through meditation, through an human
meditation called sitting in the power, sitting for spirit. But
also the more we do medim mystic work, it naturally
builds anyway. It's a little it's a bit like spiritual stamina.
If you went for a run. The next time you run,
you can run that bit further. It's it's the same

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sort of idea as well. And another thing Gordon said,
which I find really interesting, is before we can touch
the spirit world, we have to touch the spirit within us.
Before we can feel the presence of spirit, we have
to feel the presence of our own spirit. Before we
can feel the love of spirit, we have to feel
the love we have within us as a spirit. And
we do that through learning to attune to our own spirit.

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And then we do it, we also then learn to
attune to the spirit world. And it's ironic that by
sitting doing nothing other than being in a meditative state
of a hument with spirit, it can unfold the gifts
within us, the media, mystic and psychic abilities. And I've
seen people take dramatic leaps and a mediumship just by

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adopting a regular practice of sitting for spirit. And something
else Gordon said which I was fascinating is he said,
every minute spent in the spirit world attuning to spirit
through meditation is valuable. No time spent in the presence
of spirit has ever wasted. And so when we when
we do that, if you like you're making yourself accessible

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to the spirit world, they want to use your mind,
but you've got to give them a chance to learn
how your mind works. You've got to let your guides
and help us have the opportunity to explore you through
that state of blending with them. And that way our
mediumship will function so much more easily because they can
create the right conditions for us because they had the
opportunity to check us out and understand how we work,

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and we've made the time to be with them. So
it makes a lot of logical sense. Plus not only that,
we have to learn to discipline our own minds, and
just like a lot of meditative work within the Eastern traditions,
you learn to let thoughts come and go, but not
interact with them. You learn to steal your mind, that
monkey mind, you learned to let it quiet down. Just

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that we can be that clear channel. We we move
ourselves into that state that makes us accessible to the
spirit world without our own minds interfering. Absolutely, let's get
to the radio now, sure, So that yeah, the radio analogy. Basically,
the idea is that as mediums where radio receivers and
everybody within the spirit world has their own unique wave

(34:20):
length and there, if you like, they're transmitting, and so
it's about getting us matched to the right spirits. We
can receive their wavelength, and some people are relatively easy
to work with. They can work with a great deal
of mediums, and some come through very very rarely, if
you like, they might be a harder frequency for a
lot of mediums to get. That's the idea. So the

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idea is that when we start as a beginner, we
generally have a much more limited range than when we
learn to work with it more than intermediate. We grow
our range, and then there's a more advanced medium. We're
still seeking to grow our range, yet still further to
the point whereby someone could say I'd like you to
communicate with such and such and we can make the
link and you know, if we if we can cover

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all frequencies and provide that person is willing to communicate
from the spirit of world, it should be possible. Now
that's the goal, that's the ultimate aim. The reality is
it doesn't always work as easy as that. You know.
I've tested this in sitting at the church. We have
something called the psychic Supper, where it's eight ten in
readings back to back, and as as an experiment, I've

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asked people who would you like to hear from? And
they tell me a name of the relationship, and I
asked them to come, and I was able to give
each person who they wanted and all the evidence to
demonstrate us linking with them. I thought, great, it works.
But on another occasion, maybe only five out of eight came.
So it cannot be guaranteed. That's the thing with with
all of this work. There are no guarantees. The conditions

(35:47):
have to be right. We have to be a good
vibrational match. If they don't come forth, is it maybe
that you just start reaching them, but they're they're busy
doing something else. It's just not time for them to
work with you. There could be there's so many reasons.
I believe that they have to be trained to do
this work with us as well, So they've got to
want to do it, first of all. They've then they've

(36:08):
got to, if you like, have some degree of training
or shown what to do by somebody. And also they've
got to be available because maybe just at that moment
in time that they've got something better to do in
the spirit world, they're really busy and we're calling and
we're asked them to come forward, and they can't because
they're busy. I'll share a story with you that might
that's guy I find quite illustrative as well. As I

(36:29):
was once on a course and a guy was telling
me that he was so disappointed that his dad had
been in the spirit world for ten years and he's
he's such a close relationship with his dad and his
dad had never been through before. And he was telling
me this in a bar at the time, and I thought,
that is so sad, that really is so sad, and
I just sent the thought of luck, if you're their dad,
he'd love to hear from you. Can you can you

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come forward and work? And I got his dad and
I brought his dad through in that moment, and he
was so grateful. But it turned out that his dad
was a Jewish, very orthodox Jewish, and felt that agum
ship was bad and wasn't necessarily the right thing to do,
but also didn't want to come through in the environment
of a spiritualist church because it was not what he wanted.

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So in the if you like, in a hotel bar,
in a relaxed he was happy to come forward. And
I find that amazing that I thought myself, well, so
even our beliefs that we held here can still remain
in spirit and can still interfere with the process. And
it wasn't really that his dad didn't want to communicate,
He just didn't feel comfortable doing it in the environment

(37:31):
where it mostly it took place. Yeah, that makes sense.
What I like about spiritualism I say it's a thinking
man's religion, mainly because we don't ask anyone to believe
in any creed or dogma. There is no Holy book.
We don't get you to believe anything other than seven
simple principles within the UK. Belief in an afterlife, belief
that we survive as a soul, and let's believe that

(37:54):
mediums can communicate with those souls to bring forward that
evidence to demonstrate it. But what I like about spiritualism
and the most is we have this belief. I believe
that my soul is eternal, my spirit is eternal when
I when I die, I'm still alive, just in a
different dimension. And I and then get to demonstrate the
truth of that by linking to people who are in

(38:15):
the spirit world, who our minds, and bring forward information
to demonstrate there still a living consciousness, to demonstrate they're
still alive, to demonstrate they still know what goes on
in people's lives. And for me, it's a religion where
we actually demonstrate it. For me, it has that evidential
nature that the skeptic inside we loves. That's what I need.

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You know, I couldn't do it if there was no evidence.
I really couldn't find. When you believe in life after death,
you have a more quality life. Absolutely, you know the
end of the day. I often say that, you know,
we're all going to find out about the reality of
life after death one day because all of us, sooner
or later, we'll face that moment where we take our transition,
that which we call death. But as spiritualists we say

(38:57):
our passing and transition we often do is word death
from Lena. But we're all going to find out for sure.
So the whole point of spirit communicating with us, well,
part of it is the comfort, absolutely to comfort the
bereaved as a huge thing, But the other part is
they want us to know here and now our true
spiritual nature that wants to know that we are spirit

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here and now. And I often say, if you cannot die,
then how will you live? I completely agree everything that
we're doing about the afterlife, learning about it, medium demonstrations, etcetera.
Is to help people grieving, and it's to help people
get back with living their life. So let's go in
for our last break now, and I want to talk
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Podcast Network, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

(41:11):
Sandra Champlain with Martin twy Cross. Martin, you just said
if I cannot die, how will I live? Great words
people say to me, Martin. You're immedium. That's all about
life after death, isn't it? And I say no, it's
about life before death, because all those in the spirit world,
they already know that they're still alive. It's the people
here we've got to let them know they will survive

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that death, that they are that spirit here and now
that they need to live their lives from the spirit view,
not the selfish view. What we do now will create
our life within the spirit world. So we need to
make a difference. And I believe that the knowledge, once
we've been truly touched by the power of spirit, it
should change us. That should make us rethink our lives.

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It should make us sit up and take notice. Hang
on a minute, this life is but one small step
of a much greater journey. If you cannot die, then
what you're gonna do about it? I love that. What
are you going to do about it? I know? For me,
how I found you so many years ago was on YouTube. Martin.
You're the first spiritualist medium tutor that I have ever found.

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You had a whole bunch of videos which led me
to your website. So you offer a course in mediumship.
Your website is Martin twycross dot com. Can you tell
us a little bit about that? Absolutely? Yeah, And for me,
when where the course came from. As mentioned, I trained
as a hypnotherapist, and in training and therapy you have

(42:40):
to do a great deal of theoretical understanding before you
were allowed to go into the real world and have
a practice with people. Which is good saying yes, it
is absolutely but on one level, I would go to churches,
I would go on courses and they just say, off
you go, link with the spirit world, Off you go,
and I'd see students could create a great deal of
problems because of a lack of knowledge. Struck me that

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there's three aspects to developing mediumship. There's the practice, but
then there's a theoretical understanding. And for me, that bit
was just not stressed anywhere near enough in any of
the teachings had had. And certainly when you go on courses,
most people want to go there to practice. They don't
know we told the theory. So it got me thinking, well,
how can I present the theory of mediumship? I have

(43:21):
that the logical mind that I just sat down and
just try to sketch out my whole understanding of the
theory of mediumship. And one thing I'm passionate about as
well is I know some people who say, don't give
all your information to your students. Don't you know drip
freed them to drip feeder to them. Let them have
it bits at a time, don't give them everything. And
I disagree. If I have it, you can have it.

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If I know it, you can know it. Why would
I hold it back? So I'm passionate about letting people
know everything I know. And hopefully that comes across the
fact that I've done twenty one videos now, each one
lasting well over two hours, some even as long as
three hours, and then there's tutorials that go with each
video and they last ten gently two and half hours.
I think so far the materials probably over ninety three

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hours in total. My aim was to try and build
something that really gave a solid theoretical foundation. And what
a lot of people said to me was Wow, once
I'd sitting went through the theory in a structured logical way,
it all made sense. People would say me in the past,
just link, and you'd say, well, how am I supposed
to link? I don't know exactly. But then if you

(44:23):
spell it out to people in a simple way with
simple analogies like the radio analogy and various other things,
for me, it becomes quite clear. I also say to
people that comes with a bit of a health warning.
You Now, once you've done a degree of training on
the theory of mediumship, you'll watch how mediums work, and
you'll see what is good mediumship and what is not.
You never watched mediumship quite the same way over again.

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If people who have done my course say, yeah, now
I watched mediums and has to realize that people I
thought initially were quite good they weren't. I realized they're
working psychically. They've given the audience what they want. With mediumship,
there's such a huge power there whether I always say,
there's the power to harm and the power to heal.
You know, I've heard the worst case scenario where people
mediums have told sitters that they're useless and that that

(45:08):
sitter has gone on to take their own life. Worst
case scenario. As a medium, you could actually cause so
much harm, you could put somebody in spirit, but equally
the power of it to heal. You know, in my
own instance, that medium who brought through my mom, who
started me on this path, did so much good. I
wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for that medium.

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I wouldn't be here talking to you if if the
evidence given hadn't have been of a caliber and quality.
I often joke if I had gone along to the
church when there was a lousy medium work, and I
would have come out of it saying, well that's it.
You know that there is no reality to this. So
thank Heavens was a good medium working at night. But
the point is is that we as mediums, we have
to understand the ethics and responsibilities. We have to understand

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how much power we have, how much per other people
give us, and we have to use it morally and
ethically correctly, and we really have the power to harm.
And the thing that really hate I hate so much
as seeing mediums hurt people. And we see it so often,
and that's why I really feel that, you know, having
some kind of training course stresses the ethics and stresses

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poor practice, and it is so valuable. And I shall
be uploading another YouTube video coming soon actually on some
of the excuses that poor mediums give about why they're lazy.
It's it's really hilarious and funny. Actually, I keep meaning
to put that one out there because it needs to
be heard. All the excuses I've heard over the years
as to why it's not their fault. Oh that's funny.

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What are you getting for feedback on your course? You know,
the feedback on the course is pretty much overwhelmingly positive.
It's gotta be, you know, And I'm just grateful that
it can help so many people, and you know, that's
all we want. Really. Can I just say as well
that all the videos are available individually, So I'll say,

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if say, if someone didn't want to make the investment
in a whole program and they want to just test
the waters, they can buy one of the videos as
a download or a DVD. And then basically if you
then go on to buy the program, I kind of
refund you back the element that you've paid so that
it doesn't cost anymore however you buy it, whether you
buy it piecemeal or whether you buy it in one go.
And I should say as well that the videos that

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are on YouTube, they were the original videos from about
two tho and eight when I first developed the program,
and I didn't actually regally to develop it with the
intent of taken it to a global market. It was
actually the videos originally recorded for those who missed my
classes within the church environment and so the quality of
original videos wasn't really seeking to present them to a

(47:40):
wider audience. So they all have been recorded again to
a much higher standard. So I kind of re recorded
them from the point of view of a much wider
audience and the point of view people watching at home.
Some people may look at the thing, well, the quality
of that's not very professional. And I agree that some
of the early ones, you know, the car were sometimes
the light shone on the board to the extent that

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it was really not brilliant. And I bought a better
camera about a gear and did it all again and
presented it the long way around. And of course when
you're presented it again, I think I built in probably
more material second time around as well. Martin, Before we
go our separate ways today, is there any last things
you want to say or bits of inspiration you want
to leave with us today? Well, I always say that

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we are spirit here and now, and we all have
that that spark of God within us, a spark of divinity.
We all have what you called, we call a latent
divinity within us. You know, so everything that you attribute,
every spiritual attribute, you may associate with God or a
spiritual person. If you're not interested in God, but you
may think somebody is spiritual. You have all of that
within you, and I believe one of our jobs here

(48:48):
is to try and uncover that and to make ourselves
a better person. So even if we don't want to
go down the route of mediumship, even if we don't
want to go down the route of developing psychically, we
can develop us spiritually as a person. And the best
way to do that is life, And the best way
to do that is to look how we live our lives.

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And when we recognize that we may be displaying something
we don't really like, we should remember that within us
is the wonderful part of us. You know, if we're
a bit impatient, we have patience intolerance within us, if
we get angry, then we have the ability to transcend
that through just reconnecting with the spirit that we are.
And for me, that that's what I take most from

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all of this work, is that I'm a spirit here
and now that everything that happens to me in life,
I have the potential to overcome it. We're never alone.
Our loved ones are always just that thought away. They're
just glimpse beyond the horizon. They're always there, and we
have guys and help us. We are here, always here
to support us and help us on our journey. No
matter where we are in life, no matter how difficult

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life may seem, We're never alone. It's a beautiful thing,
it really is, Martin. It's been a pleasure. Oh my, no,
it's it's been Actually one last thing as well. I
have mentioned Gordon Higginson and I have built one of
no one of my projects is to build a website
about him and to make a lot of his teachings
accessible because many people recorded Gordon and the teachings got

(50:15):
holded into some degree loss, so I've been trying to
compile them and make them accessible and they're wonderful to
listen to. And that website is www. Gordon Higginson dot
co dot uk. And also there's also a Facebook pager
built home as well, so if people would like to
hear a bit more about him, because I have mentioned
earlier on, that's a great place to go as well. Well.

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I want to thank our dear friend Martin Twycross again.
And also if you've been listening to the show for
a while, you know that every Sunday we do a
free Sunday gathering. It is very similar to a service
that you'd find in a spiritualist church, with the mediumship
demonstration included. Also, my great friends and mediums and tutors

(51:01):
Carrie McLeod and Philip Dike's run all of our online classes.
If you're anything like me, if you're interested in the afterlife,
you don't just have one book and you don't just
listen to one show. You find things with integrity, things
that resonate, things that stick, things that you believe in.

(51:21):
Martin and his teachings are excellent. He's got a vast
resource library of videos that all stem from the teachings
of the great Gordon Higginson. Carrie McLeod and Philip Dike's
also stem from that great line of mediumship from Gordon.

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So while we do weekly classes, live classes, you can
get your questions answered and practice with people in real time.
Martin's videos are a treasure chest of detailed knowledge that
you can access anytime. And as our time is coming
to an end today, i'd love to know how you're

(52:04):
enjoying the show. If there's some topics or some people
you'd like me to interview, or things you'd like to
know more about so if you'd like to follow me
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how to survive grief, and I know, I know that
are broken hearts and our grief is maybe what got
you here to listen today. Whatever it is, I'm your friend.
We're in this together, and your loved ones really are
around you and love you. So with that, I want
to thank you from the bottom of my heart for

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