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May 13, 2024 33 mins

Both over 100 years old, sisters Minnie Howard and Dolly DeStefano haven't only seen it all, they've lived it all!

Oliver dives into their fascinating upbringing and what it was like to be kids in the 1930's.
How they both survived an accidental shooting, how many great great great grandkids they have, and how they have remained healthywell into their 100's. 
If this isn't #LifeGoals, we don't know what is!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a
sibling railvalry. No, no, sibling. You don't do that with
your mouth revelry. That's good. Well hello, hello, Hello, it's

me and by me I mean Oliver. And if you
don't know that by now, then you've got problems because
you are listening to the Sibling Revelry Podcast with Oliver
Hudson Kate Hudson. Notice I put my name first, Okay,
because Kate Hudson has taking a back seat under Stone.
I'm saying she's working. I get it. But it's the

Oliver and Kate Hudson podcast now where it used to
be the Kate and Oliver Hudson. I'm older, number one
by two and a half years. I'm funnier. Yeah, she
has more money, potentially more talent, But I think people
in my family love me more. At least. These are

the things that I take with me so I can
get through the day and not feel like the black sheep.
I'm sitting in my kitchen right now. Drop the kids off,
and that's just me. I'm sure one of them is
going to come down and bother me any second.

Speaker 3 (01:44):

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Anyway, we have two guests today that are sisters, and
forget about anything else. Their names are Minnie and Dolly.
All right. I mean that alone is incredible. And they
are sisters, and they are one hundred and four and

one hundred and one respectively. Pretty incredible. I mean, if
there's any insight you're going to get into a full
sibling relationship, this is it. So I'm going to get
into it, all right. I'm not going to put kid
gloves on. Even though they're in their hundreds, I'm still
going to get after them. You know, Oliver Hudson does

not hold back. I want to know about growing up.
I want to know about the fights. I want to
know about the boyfriends, the husbands. I want to know
about nineteen twenties. You know what that was like fascinating
across the board. These are by far the oldest siblings

that we've had on and I'm sure their wisdom is deep.
Let's bring them on. My two favorite names Minni and

Speaker 1 (03:00):
The oldest sister I am. My name is Minnie. How
are you.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'm good. My name is Oliver. How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Good? So we have Minni and Dolly. First of all,
I love your names. And is this Minie, is this
your your real name or is this short for something?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
This is my real name?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, and Dolly, same thing, real name Minnie and Dolly.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Uh No, it's a nickname, she said, since a baby.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh okay. So, first question I have is in your
one hundred years plus of life, have you ever seen
someone as handsome as me?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I think about that.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Just look really quickly, you know, not at all. No,
the bones, look at the cheek, look at the I've
got the high cheekbone.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You know. My sister says, no, she's never seen anyone
so handsome.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, good, It's a pleasure to talk to you, guys.
I appreciate you for coming on. You know, you, as
siblings have seen a lot, done a lot, been through
a lot together, I'm sure. First of all, let's start
from the beginning. Okay, how many siblings do you have

or how many siblings were in your family?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
We had four girls and one boy, so that means
two of us. Are two of us are in there?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yes? And then and where did you grow up?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I was born in Rochester, but we moved all rephrase
every and dundee.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
And were you moving around with the family for for work,
for parent parents, work and stuff?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Mm? Hm.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
When were you guys born? What year?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Nineteen twenty nineteen twenty two?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Wow, oh my gosh? And were you were you in
the pecking order of the four you guys the middle
at the end? Year at the end? And has your
relationship always been extremely close?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes, we were called little girls and we had two
sisters older they were called the big girls. So yes,
we played together, fought together.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
M you did? And do you guys live together now?

Speaker 1 (05:41):

Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, no, And you guys are happy about not living together.
It seems so growing up. You know, give us a
taste of what it was like, sort of nineteen twenties,
So when you were in your ten years old, you're
talking about nineteen thirties, What was a day like for

you guys as sisters? You know, what what was that
in the sort of let's say, in the thirties, you know,
I mean, just give us a little idea and insight
as to sort of what life was like trying.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
To think where we were at that time. Usually we
played outside outside. We had a pet lamb that we
played with and chased around the yard, and mostly it
was outside playing in the summertime. In the winter time
it was course insight. Mm hm a ram lamb? What a.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Ram land? Or yes?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yes, it used to butter us.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh yes, yeah, is that horns?

Speaker 1 (06:59):

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So games would be running from the ram Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It was a land. My father rescued from being killed
and he had one ear off, and it was really
cute because he would come up in the morning on
the porch in order to tell us to come on
out and play with me. He would do that every day.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh wow. Yeah. So we have a ranch in Colorado,
and we had a bunch of goats and there was
one that was not the nicest goat, and they were
small ish, but he had an attitude and he would
I have three kids and when they were little, he
would try to just pull them over. So you'd hear

screaming from the house and you'd walk outside and see
this little goat chasing my children as they're crying and screaming,
running across the gravel dirt.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I can see it.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Do you guys have children?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes? I had six wow, of course they're they're all driving,
and why I am not driving anymore? And you wouldn't

want to see me on the street.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
No, And Dollie, how about you? How many children did
you have?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I didn't have. I had one, just one?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Oh wow? Yeah, okay. And were you guys married many times?
One time, one time, one time? Good for you? That's
that's hard to come by these days, you know what
I mean. Yeah, my my wife's parents, my in laws,

are high school sweethearts. They've been together since they were
fifteen years old. Oh my goodness, yeah I know. And
then grandkids, great grandchildren.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh one grandchild right? Just one?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, but many you must have more just because of
pure numbers.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I cannot tell you how many I have. I have
great great great grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Three greats, three greats, and I had just one.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Little one was born this Oh, my great great great
great was born this this year, and he must be
a few months old. I have no idea. I cannot
remember the names anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
So, oh gosh, no, I mean, I'm forty seven and
I can't remember names of anything. I can't imagine having
one hundred and eighty seven grandchildren and great grandchildren it's like,
all right, great another one. I mean, yeah, good for you.
I'll meet them later. So there's a story that I

was reading about that you guys both got shot in
the leg. Is this true?

Speaker 1 (10:26):
It is true? And you know what, I'm going to
let my sister tell you, because I told the last time,
I let her tell you this time.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Okay, big deal, Yeah, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, this neighbor boy came over to visit. I believe
it was Christmas Day and he came over to visit
and everything and play around. And he started working with
our china cabinet which my father had made, and he

put a a closet in it for guns, which he
had locked up well, so it wasn't lots of the time.
And the boy opened it, which would We kept telling him,
don't open it, don't open it, you know, but he
did and that was it. He opened it, and I

don't know what happened afterwards. I was sitting on the
chair of my leg crossed and and absudentenly was my
sister Dolly, and she was standing up and the boy
was was a young boy. He was probably about five
years old, and we were probably well they say seven five.

We probably were around seven five also, but evidently the
gun was too heavy and fortunately and it got me
in above my knee, cleaned through, clean through, and I
fell on the floor. Didn't know why I was there.
Was so funny because I fell on the floor and
I didn't know why why I was there, And and

it got Dolly in the you know, a calf, kind
of like an upper calf of the legs. The same bullet.
The same bullet.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh my gosh, it went through your leg and into
Dolly's was.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
One so she was able to She hopped and screamed
to her mother, to mom, who was visiting. I had
a visitor there and it was the boys, and there
was a relative anyway, and she said, I'm shot, I'm shot.
So she was letting Mom know that we were hurt.

I was down the floor. I did not feel pain.
I didn't feel anything, and I why she was hollering.
I thought, what's she hollering for? But that was it,
And at that time we had to call the doctor.
The doctor would come to the house. And the bullet

was taken out of my sister Dolly on the table,
on the kitchen table. They had to do it on
the kitchen table. No. I'm not sure whether she had
anything to take for that or not. I don't believe them.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh my gosh, So you were fine because I went
right through you. But Dolly had to really deal with
the so man on your kitchen table. No hospital, no anesthetic.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, no, no no, it wasn't even thought of them.
And I had to get the wounds cleaned out. But
it was straight clean, it was clean, No bones were chipped,
no anything. Wow, I was fortunate.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you still have the scar?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yes? Everything? Yes, yeah, still feel The.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Real question is what happened to this kid?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Nothing? Nothing, nothing, Because nothing happened then, it wasn't a
big deal. Then.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Now did you still remain friends with him?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Never saw him again? We were blamed for it because
my mother was blamed for it and I, which was unfair.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
No, I know, I know. So have you guys always
been close?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was there a time when you were not so close,
or when you were living your own lives and separate
from each other, or has it always been important for
you to remain in each other's lives?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh? No, we lived in each other's life. But she
was down in Florida and I was up here when
she got married Rochester, right, yeah, yeah, but they moved down.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh, they'd moved to Florida, So you guys moved near each.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Other, but by we were always were always felt close, yes,
because we'd call each other and you know, write leathers, visit.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Mm hmmm. And did you were you did you guys work?
Were you working back then when you were married? I
was not until around What did you guys do for
a living?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Later on when the kids were all out of school
except for one and she was working at school after
ove bus?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (15:43):

Speaker 2 (15:44):
And how about you, Dolly?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I just working in office? Yeah, yeah, good office work,
you know.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So let me ask you a question. Do you like
being one hundred plus years old? Do you feel like
there is you reach some sort of a benchmark. We're like, hell, yes,
I'm a hundred, and you're not.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
No, I don't even realize I'm a hundred.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It doesn't seem possible. No, No, I don't feel a hundred. No,
you don't except when I try to walk.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
But you're no. Isn't it amazing?

Speaker 1 (16:28):

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I mean I'm again, I'm forty seven, almost forty eight,
but I feel like i'm eighteen years old. You know,
I mean, at the end of the day, it's about
your spirit. Well, you know, I mean, of course we
need to be mobile, but who cares? We don't. We
can have everyone, we can people take care of us. Now,

this is what this is what we need.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I do not feel that way. I do not feel way.
In fact, I do have to have somebody take care
of me. Have to live with my youngest daughter and
her husband, and I do have to Yeah, mm hmmm.
I feel bad to think I have to do that,
but they want of those two. So right, I live

with your oldest daughter and shoots with your youngest.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh really, yeah, take care of you?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Oh? Yes, they're good.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
And do you guys see each other all the time?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
No? Well, yeah, at least twice a week, you do,
my daughter, my oldest daughter says, at least twice a week.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Is your oldest daughter being truthful? Or is she blink twice?
If you're being held hostage.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I don't know, ask your questions.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
We can't remember to tell you.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
This is amazing, you know. Well, when you guys, when
you guys get together, what does your day look like?
I mean, do you just you talk? Do you reminisce
or are you living in the present moment? You know,
I mean how much do you live in your present
moment right now? And then how much are you living
sort of reliving your past in.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
A present moment? I would say most of the time. Yeah, Yeah,
we play. We like to play games.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Okay, give me some games with games.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's a roma cue.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh my god, face Tim.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
What's the other one? Mark Farcle, That's that's the noat
one with dice.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Love farkle, love farkle. My wife and I play farkle
with the dice. Yes, yes, we play Yatzi, which have
always loved. But let me explain something to you girls. Okay,
Rummy Cube has come into my life in a very
strong way. My wife is obsessed with Rummy Cube. She

cannot stop playing Rummy Cube. She plays it on her phone.
She's constantly asking me to play live games, and I
cannot win. I have not won one time in a
live game. And I consider myself a pretty smart person.
But the numbers and the patterns, when the board gets

too big, it jumbles in my head and I just
lose everything. I can't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
One of my favorites and the dominoes.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, yes, do you guys ever play for money? No money, come.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
On, but I just like to play dominos.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
That's fun. Well, maybe one of these days we can
play Rummy Cube. That would be so, I know, I know,
I mean, if you guys played online, we could definitely
play online. But maybe all cruise over there and play
rony cue with you guys, that would be good. So

let me ask you a question and if it's if
it's too much, that's that's okay. But I'm just curious, like,
what's your as you get older, you guys seem in
I don't know about your health, but you seem very vibrant.
You seem you know, you are lucid, You are right there,
your humor is on point. But as you reach these

your you're into your hundreds, what does your relationship with
death become?

Speaker 1 (20:47):

Speaker 2 (20:47):
You know, I mean, are you still afraid of it
or is it just the natural part of life or
is it just hey, let's just keep going, like where's
your head with that?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Okay? No, not at all. Because my mother was sure
that we went to church and every place we moved,
we had to go to Sunday School and we've been
in we see a Baptist church, a Methodist church, Episcopal church,

Presbyterian church. Because we moved so many times and she
wanted to make sure that we would have that foundation.
And I remember every night we used to kneel by
her knee and say the little no, I lay me
down to sleep one and every night we had to

say it, so we believed, so everything will be okay.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Same with you, Dolly. That gives you comfort, Well.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes it does. And I say, the only reason we're
one hundred, we've got something to do. We've got something
for us to do. We got to do it.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Mm hmm. You're here, that's a guess. You are. You're
here with a forest. That's a good question actually is
what do you attribute it to? I mean, were you guys,
are you healthy eaters? Did you drink? Did you smoke?
You know, did you party or are you healthy? Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Like, we were a from a poor family, so we
didn't party and we didn't have a lot of extra
So I think that's it candy and everything because the
kids have non As far as drink, we are not drinkers. No, yeah,

mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
What about laughter? Do you guys laugh? A lot.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, I like to laugh.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yes, me too, me too. That's I think that's part
of the key to longevity. You know, obviously you have
to take care of your body, but I think humor
and love and being with people who are able to
sort of bring you those things can definitely increase, you know,

increase your lifespan for sure. You know. I mean, I
feel like you guys laugh a lot. It just feels
like you guys get together and laugh a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, I'm not a person, I'm I mean, I'm not
a down person. I'm an up person. I am.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
No, I know, and I can. I can. I can
see that. I can see that. And then who's better
at rummy cube?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
She is? Well the one that beats first. They're competitive,
are they?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Are you guys competitive? Yes?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Extremely yes, when it comes to that, I am. I
I like the way like Rummy you play Rummy in
the cards, and I like Rumma cue because you can
change so many ways to make it, you know, make
a number, Yeah you can. I like the different ways

you can change your.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Is yes, yes, yes, yes, no, I know, I know. Well,
listen you guys, I really appreciate you sort of having
this conversation with me, and you know we should all
be so lucky. Feels like, you know, you guys have

done it correctly.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
We really have been blessed with long life. I will
say that much.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, well, long life if it's lived right, and the
long life if it's lived in happiness, you know, I mean,
and then it seems like you guys have that. That's
the key here. Yes, I mean, age is but a number. Okay,
like you you maybe one hundred and four and one
hundred and one, but you don't feel that way. You know,
you feel a mirror. How old do you feel? Oh,

I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Maybe maybe eighty.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
That's amazing that that is really great you feel eighty.
I mean, that's amazing. But but it is true. It
is true, you know, you guys, you know it's one hundred,
but it doesn't feel like that. You guys are awesome.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Well, we were blessed.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
With health healthy. I have not. I haven't had to
go to the hospital for any great thing at all.
I mean with my children, yes, but I've been very fortunate.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
How old are all of your children? Many?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
What's the oldest one, I'll be eighty two. My oldest
one is eighty two because she told me just now.
And my youngest one was born in fifteen years younger.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Eighty two. I neither can. I That's why I don't
play Rummy Cube. Do you hear what I'm saying? Like
this is my problem? Mass messes me up?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Ye? Yeah, six. She's in their sixties. My youngest one
is in their sixties.

Speaker 2 (26:36):

Speaker 1 (26:37):
We all are driving.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yes, that's good.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Probably driving you crazy too, And they're driving me around
all the time, which is good.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Good, good good good, Oh my god. Well. I appreciate
you guys, Thank you so much. Thanks for taking the time.
And you are definitely an inspiration. Yeah no, not not
just not just age, but just how you sort of
handle it and the fun you have and being together
as siblings, which is extremely important.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
When you can remember it's easy, right.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
You have a new sibling every every day, every week.
All right. I appreciate you, guys, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Amazing talking to these young women. I wanted to get
into a little bit more, but I get a little nervous,
you know what I mean. I wanted to I try
to get a little philosophical, and then I wanted to
maybe get into sort of just living this long, extended

life and all of the things that they must.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
And all of the technology, and you know, they lived
through the Great Depression and the Industrial Revolution and you know,
I mean everything.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Moo going in the mood. They probably have a million stories,
but I don't know. It didn't feel I didn't feel
like I could break in with that.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
So but.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Here's my takeaway. Just two siblings one hundred plus years old,
getting together twice a week still, which honestly is more
than most people get with their siblings, playing games, laughing,
loving each other, still competitive and not giving a shit

about death.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
They can't really get much better than that, you know,
because death is funny, man. Death used to freak the shit.
I used to get so scared of it when I
was a kid, because what I would do is I
would and when I'm when I say kid, I mean
even in like ten eleven, twelve, I remember I would

just get quiet and in my room and just picture
what death might feel like. And even though you probably
don't feel death essentially, although we don't know, it's just
this idea of being black and nothingness would just put

me into some sort of a tail spin. And I
can still go there even in my forties forty seven.
I think I've said that a thousand times today. Maybe
I'm getting scared of my age, but even now I
can put myself there and having kids too. It's funny
because I heard this notion that, oh, when you have kids,

your sort of fear of death goes away because it's
not about you anymore, right, It's about someone else, and
it's about them, protecting them, you know, making sure you
know that they're safe. So it sort of takes this onus,
this pressure off of you. You become selfless. Well you
know what, that's horseshit because it makes me more afraid,

not for myself but for my kids.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
My shit is like, oh, if I'm not there for
my children, if I go, they are going to be
so screwed up and I cannot do that. So whenever
I fly alone, or because I get a little nervous
to fly, or you know, whenever I go out on
my boat potentially and there's weather, I'm like, all right, dude,
come on. But I truly believe that if you can,

if you can find yourself in an amazing relationship with death,
meaning you don't fear it because it is inevitable, which
it is. And if you can truly not fear death,
that's when you can fully live, because fear is sort
of what holds us back from everything. I mean, fear

number one. I mean, if you were to distill all
of your negative emotions, negative feelings, you're to distill that
down at the bottom of that barrel will be fear.
And if you can truly eliminate fear, it opens you
up to just living as full as you can live.

You're no longer afraid to take chances, calculated chances. You're
no longer afraid to try something new. You're no longer
afraid to fail. And that's my biggest shit. It's just
to be a failure looking stupid, but you can't learn.

You can't get better unless you fail. It's cliche, but
it's the truth. So I guess my takeaway is just,
you know, let go fucking like go. I mean, they
also never drank or smoked or did anything bad, so
let's not forget about that. I mean, their bodies are

probably like so pure. You know, mine is not mine.
You know, it's it's been through some shit. It's been
through some shit. Anyway, that was fun, it was short,
it was sweet, and I have this feeling that you

know they're gonna be one hundred and forty five years old.
They just see him right on top of it. Anyway,
I will see, I won't see, but I'll be in
your ear I'll be in your in your earbuds in
about a week. So good luck out there everyone. Maybe
I'll do a pirate radio show like Christian Slater wasn't

pump up the volume where I just talk and riff
and rant, you know what I mean. But maybe i'll
use that voice disguise are so I sort of seth
like this. Anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about.
I'm out peace.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
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Let's Be Clear with Shannen Doherty

Let's Be Clear with Shannen Doherty

Let’s Be Clear… a new podcast from Shannen Doherty. The actress will open up like never before in a live memoir. She will cover everything from her TV and film credits, to her Stage IV cancer battle, friendships, divorces and more. She will share her own personal stories, how she manages the lows all while celebrating the highs, and her hopes and dreams for the future. As Shannen says, it doesn’t matter how many times you fall, it’s about how you get back up. So, LET’S BE CLEAR… this is the truth and nothing but. Join Shannen Doherty each week. Let’s Be Clear, an iHeartRadio podcast.

The Dan Bongino Show

The Dan Bongino Show

He’s a former Secret Service Agent, former NYPD officer, and New York Times best-selling author. Join Dan Bongino each weekday as he tackles the hottest political issues, debunking both liberal and Republican establishment rhetoric.

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