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August 26, 2024 53 mins

The Graziano sisters join Oliver to talk about growing up in the middle of mafia mayhem.

Find out why their father stopped talking to them after becoming a felon, how a former husband turned on the family, and what it was like to be treated like mob royalty.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Railvalry.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. I'm in Colorado, a many a thousand feet
trying to get my life in order. I got about
a week left of summer, and you know, summers can
get to Bacherus, and you know, I put the botch
into Bachres. I just I don't know what boch means,

(00:55):
but it probably sounds bad. And now it's time to
gear up to get back home and refresh and restart.
I'm doing a movie in October. I can't say what
it is yet, so I have a couple of months
to work off my baby fat yep, forty seven, but

(01:16):
it's I still call it baby fat. From a psychological standpoint.
It helps me. Yeah, this is fat that's been on
me since you know, I was about six months old.
I'm just a late bloomer, you know. But anyway, I
want on a high altitude walk. Used to be hors

(01:37):
HR's high altitude runs, but now it's walking because you
know what walking's in right now, So I'm going to
do what's in because I'm hip and I'm trendy. Anyway,
enough about me, We have an amazing guests waiting in
our waiting room, very excited, very excited to talk to

(01:58):
Renee engine Grasiano. I think it was Jen who started
the Mob wives. I think it was on VH one
at first. And just their life, you know what I mean,
growing up, the way that they grew up. I know
it may not seem like it, but Oliver Hudson might

(02:21):
have a little could be connected, you know what I mean.
I'm connected ay my twenty three and me and know
I'm forty percent Oficilion. And I'm talking like this because
you know that's how I normally speak. When I talk
like this, that's I'm putting on an accent. Anyway, Renee

(02:42):
has been through a ton, you know, she's been through
so much. Gen has been through so much. I'm just
you can't get deeper than growing up like these girls did.
I mean, there's got to be so much shit going on,
probably stuff they can't even talk about. Anyway, Let's bring
them in. Let's uh, let's get it going. I'm gonna
try to make them fall in love with me. Hi, Hey, girls,

(03:06):
how are you good?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm good, Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Nice to meet you too. What's going on? Where are
you my sister? Staten Island, Staten Island?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know what have you ever heard of it? A?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah? Once or twice with the dump. Well, this is
fucking rab because you know there's a connection here. First
of all, there's so much to get into, you know,
just childhood alone, I can't even imagine. But you know,
so my family on my dad's side is forty I

(03:44):
did my twenty three, me and forty percent Sicilian. So yeah,
we came from I think it's called calteen Calta Seta
and then what's this like Sarah Cuso and Sicily. My
great grandmother came over, met my great grandfather, Giuseppe on
the docks because they were running prohibition back in the day,

(04:06):
you know, and his name was Giuseppe Salerno. Potentially, you know,
we're still we're still finding out the exact truth. But
my relatives seemed to say that, you know, Giuseppe's brother
was Tony Seleerno. Yeah, so so you know, there's it's

(04:28):
a fun connection to talk to you guys who actually
have been in that world. Before we get into anything
and the childhood and all that, I just want to
talk about the romanticism of the mafia and how it
has been romanticized, and even being somewhat Italian myself, there
is this sort of fantasy that I am connected and

(04:50):
there is something extremely cool and romantic about it. But
from a first hand experience, was there romance in it
or was it just brutality.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, I'm going to let her answer the romance question
because she experienced it way differently than I did.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
First of all, I was always trying to find my
romance within that family as well, like try to date
all the gangsters.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
But I definitely was very proud of that world, very
very proud.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I mean I never waited online, I never paid a
dinner check. Wherever I walked into I was treated as
if I was royalty, and in my brain, I was royalty.
And I think that's because my father was such a
stand up guy.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
That there was this It was glaborous.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, it's nothing different than the movies, and that's
on both hands, the violence, but there is something glamorous about,
you know, being first at everything, never waiting, never wanting
things falling off the trucks.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I had more fur codes by the age of ten.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
And some of the people that are in Hollywood that
are super you know, well they you could buy them.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Mine fell off the truck and they were fruit.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Did you know what? Did you know what was going on?
I mean, did you understand how this was all being
provided for you?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
No, I asked my dad, like, you're always behind the
truck when things fall off. That's just aging.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
But I remember at the age of sixteen years old,
I went to this club. It was called Past Shells,
and that's where like all the gangs just hung out.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
And I was at the end of the ball.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
With my best friend, who was a wise guy's son,
and a guy had said to him, so that's TG's Jorda. Yeah,
father's a captain. And I looked at my go my
father doesn't sail a ship. My father doesn't drive a boat.
And he said, go home and talk to your father.
So while kids learned about the birds and the bees,
I learned about captains and soldiers.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, it was very and that's when it hit me
and that's when I kind of took advantage of who
I was. I knew I can do anything and get
away with it.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
So the answer to your questions romance, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
But how did it not happen for you? How was
it such a different perspective, which, by the way, is
so interesting because we've been doing this show for a
million years now with siblings, and you can grow up
with the same parents and raise the same exact fucking way,
but you have totally different perspectives on those people and
how you thought you were raised us.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I was much younger, and I like, you get
away with that.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
But really, like where she found romance, I found chaos.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
And I was always the one that wanted to be
left alone and I wanted to have like she wanted.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
She was very proud of being Anthony's daughter. I wanted
to be Jennifer.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I wanted to have my own life with my own
name and my own prowess or whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
So I like, kind of, yes, I used the word prowess.
You know, they don't have a dictionary present.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So I masked all of my sort of like pain,
if you will, by going to school, and I my
goal was to get a degree and get away from
this life style.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
It's kind of embarrassed by it.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
But you know, in one hand, I loved it, right,
I like was like, you love the power that you
get from being a gangster's daughter, but I kind of
sort of loathed what came along with it, and that
was the control and the you know, you.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Have to act a certain way, look a certain way,
be a certain way, and.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
If you didn't do it, Daddy wanted he takes all
your shit away.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, I don't know where he was.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well I never got my taken away because I always
did what I was told, right.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
You had to dress a certain way, look a certain way,
sort of represent the family.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I guess exactly exactly, not so much dressed a certain way,
but there was like there was like this this to
me it was it was very controlling. It was an
atmosphere of you belonged to them and all of them,
and you couldn't have your own lives.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Like like, I dyed my hair.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Once, I remember, and my father's like, did you ask
me if you can die my hair?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Your hair? That's my hair?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And I was like, are you fucking nuts? Like that
sounds so crazy to me, and I'm like, the next day,
I died it again, child, where Renee would have been like, okay,
tap me, I'll turn it back to plat thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I wouldn't have died it in the first place.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
But what happens when you push back? You know what
I mean? Does that sort of cause family issues? And
where is your mom? What did your mom fit into
all this? As far as raising you again too?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Totally different perspectives.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
She did everything she was told from start to finish
all of her life. He's now past five years. She's
still doing what he would expect of her. If you
asked me, I think we had one of we We
definitely have one of the greatest mothers ever as far
as and he don't.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Only because he's passed away, will I say this, But
I do have some sympathy for her now.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Because he was it's my way or no way, and
that's the end of it. So I do feel bad
for her because she's she's a brilliant, beautiful woman. But Golfer,
I remember one time, remember when when I'm having a
hotfledge over it, Remember when dad, when she got linoleum.
This one time the guy came from the linoleum us.

(10:23):
I'm dating, I'm fifty.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Five, and I could say it because I look at it.
So the linoleum was.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Like ten cents more than it was supposed to be
on every little square or whatever. And my father got
furious and choke the guy with the telephone court and
my mother just panicked like she didn't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
But that was just normal. Ye listen, say, we got
the linoleum for free.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
But my mom, my mom came from Hell's Kitchen, my father,
the Lower East Side. She was grateful to get out
of the Hell's kitchen, but she jumped into Hell's kitchen.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I know it isn't it. I just thought of it.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, so I do.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
There's three of us, and my oldest sister was definitely
the worst. She did anything and everything for attention and
when against the grain completely.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I wanted to be my father, not my mother, my
father because he exuded this. He was just he floated
to me, he floated when he walked.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
He did don't have for me, he was My father
is like my superhero on Earth.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's God and my father.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's what it is for me.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
You're sure he's not in rever you know God's first.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
But I just loved this man because he did what
he said, he meant what he said, and he had
this respect. He believed in his own self.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
So much where I full short on that one.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So I looked up to him because he believed everything
and he stood by his word, and I think there's
we don't have that today in this world.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Man.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
If he if he committed a crime, he did his time,
he never told nothing, and he believed in his world
so much that it ended up costing him a lot
of his time years later.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
But I respect him for the man that he was.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Okay, yeah, I want to hear the other side of that,
because because I completely understand what you're saying, right, I mean,
someone who is that loyal to their own values and
to the people that you love, and you know there
is something to be said for that, no doubt about it. Right.
But then when you look at the other side of things,
where you know and you just look past all that,

(12:40):
you know what I'm saying, and how are you how
are you gaining that respect? Is it through your true
personality and who you are? Or is it fear you
know what I'm saying, or is a little bit of
both both.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
My product had.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
A personality that was like he was like outrageous. He
walked in a room and everyone wanted to be next
to him.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
He was like that charming. So I think it was
a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
But to me, as charming as he was was as
vicious as he could.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Be, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
So he had that dual nature that I could never
fucking reconcile.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
You couldn't.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I couldn't until I got older. Until I got older.
I think it took me a very long time to
understand him. But when I finally did, I really kind
of realized it was family first, both of them.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Sometimes that went over us, but when you realize that
the choice.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
He made, you kind of had respect the fact that, Okay,
he picked it and he stood by it to the death.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You know, at first I didn't like it, but then
I grew to understand it. And then my mother, going
back to that question, she did everything he said.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
But I think I feel like she lived a little
bit through me everything that she thinks, like she want, Yeah,
that's right, everything she wanted to be in her own life.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
She pushed me to become.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And I think a lot of what I tried to
accomplish was for her so that she can see it
too or feel it too, because I feel like my
father stole her life.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, well do you do you think that your mom
or do you know if your mom was like being
herself behind his back? You know what I'm saying. That's
what I'm saying, like like meaning like I got to
play this part for him, but there are certain things
that I want to do that that individuate me, that
make me an authentic person aside from my husband, that
I'm going to do in the dark a little bit and.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Behind her like when I did, I think she was
secretly happy, right.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
God never she never disobeyed, And I know that sounds
maybe a little harsh, but I also believe in very
old school.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I believe in that she never did anything. Okay, So
once I got older, she's nothing. Okay. She told back
and she got older, maybe like two times. One time
she was.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Really mad at him and she tried to run away
with us. We made it to the corner like she
you know, she no.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
He found us everywhere everywhere we were in Disney World.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
He was paging us on the Disney World fucking He'd
show up at the beach and.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
His fucking full blown suit with his on the big beach.
How'd you find us? He found us everywhere and I
fucking hated it. I hated it.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I loved I loved it.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Daddy was here. First of all, my mother looked like
rockel Welch.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
My mother was gorgeous, I mean gorgeous, phenomenal, So.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I understand he was. You know, he was a jealous.
But my mother would never in a million years have
even look at somebody.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
She one time said that Alec Baldwin was like after
I think it was malice or something.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
See Angela bil We were never allowed to watch an
ale No was so serious, so serious.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And Robert de Niro, because well Robinson Arrow was her
first date ever ever really, and my father.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Had words with him and he was never to come
around again. And he didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
And I couldn't watch Robertsoniro unless it was The Godfather
or anything mob related. He didn't want nothing to do
with him either.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
What did your dad think of those epic movies, the classics?
I mean, as far as The Godfather goes, I don't
think I ever.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Had a conversation with him, but I think he I
remember watching the sopranos and lang on the couch and
being someone's telling them my stories, this is you know,
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
But how good Fellas, well, those are those are all
his friends? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, So I think for me because Goodfellas was also
the time.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I was coming up, growing out, So.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I think that was the realist. So did know those
men and call them uncle? I mean I never heard
him say anything negat about the movies. I never I
think that was the one that was depicted the best,
you know, and the closest.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, but I've never really heard him. He didn't. He
didn't talk about business.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
At all, Like he didn't never. No, That's what I'm wondering,
Like how did he keep it from you for sixteen years?
Like what the hell did you think was going on?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, you had an idea, sooner I knew he was
I knew I was different. I knew I was different
from the amount of the attention. And then I think
when I was thirteen, the Feds rated the house for
the first time, and that's really when things started to
shift for me because the kids in my class flew
the article of his arrests to my desk, and I

(17:45):
knew it, but when I went home and said anything,
he was like, you always come home and tell me
I'll handle it.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
So for me, I knew it was powered in her.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, Like if anybody bothered me, I would be like, Daddy,
this person is here, and you know, but I enjoyed
my life. For me, I have a lot of guilt
about it now, and it's not even mine to have
guilt over. Like, I feel bad about a lot of things,

(18:15):
like the people, especially girlfriends of mine.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
That was their fathers to murder. It's a horrible.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Feeling, you know, it's horrible. But when it was back then,
it was just so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, it was you know, how organized was it
in the sense of, you know, the families who obviously
were competing and there was you know, obviously volatility between them,
but it was also there was there was there was
a structure to it, you know what I mean. So
I'm sure there were times of violence in times of
pure peace when everyone's sort of getting along and basically

(18:52):
you know, they've got their block essentially, and that's it, right,
I mean, was it a violent childhood or you just
didn't see that shit? And is there ever any risk
you know, in the gangster world of the siblings or
the children of mobsters sort of being touched.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Not no, not physically touched. There's risk of being arrested
because of the men. It had my mother and my
sister in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got arrested.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
They got arrested.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It was my mother, my father, my sister, her husband,
and her mother in law got arrested. And then the
two men stepped up and basically told the government, we'll
take extra time for the women.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
And they at that time they let them do it.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Well, you were allowed to back then, so they couldn't
get the husbands. They couldn't get my father, my brother
in law, so pinched the women and then the husbands
will take the heat. So that was the title was
mob men take the heat so the women don't have
to That was the title that they ran. But we

(19:56):
never saw violence, not in the house either. All right,
maybe through a couple of.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Things, but we never were hit. Well, we weren't, we
were we weren't. I had one. I got it, okay,
I got hit on the head with the phone.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
That was this thing.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
You walk to bed and we get you with the
reason he was like, bang off the top of the head.
I got kicked in.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
My I got kicked in my ass in high school
in front of the whole class. But it was never
We never had anything to fear. We were There was
never a gun in the house.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
My father knew him that we knew of which is good.
That means it wasn't. I think she lives. She lives
in an alternate.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Universe, right right.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
A gun in the house. I don't know if there was,
it wasn't, but I would assume he would have a
gun in the house.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Why nobody would ever, nobody ever wanted to kill him
because she went for what he was doing before.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I don't know. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You just want to see daddy is perfect?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah right, yes, yes, I went to the Simmons every day.
I miss him terribly.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, well it's your dad, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like he was such a he was such a protector
and would stop at nothing to keep his children safe
and looking out in the world today, I wish everybody
had my thought, you know what I mean? So for me,
I kind of I'm an emotional person, so I equate
it with everything else that's happening in life and watching

(21:18):
kids grow up that their fathers didn't even.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Care about them.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
For me, that's very hard because my father loved us,
Oh my God, loved us.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Crazy did he did? He did?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
It took me a long time to realize that I
probably should have not fought against them so hard.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I probably, but.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
It makes sense, you know what I mean? Like you
also understood the other side of it as well, you didn't,
you know, you didn't want to just sort of shy
away from me, like, well, there's there's two sides of
this thing. But family's family, and it's the most important thing.
Like I'm a dad, I got three kids, Like that's
all that matters to me, are my kids, you know
what I mean? Like, that's it was your grandfather his father, Now.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I think so was he was?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
He was the first.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
He was the first.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And what did he send to Like what was his
top title?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
She'll tell you what was his top title?

Speaker 1 (22:11):
What was My father was the consoliariged My father was.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
The constanlyieria of the Banano Prime family. It's he's dead,
all right.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
And I read the newspaper it said, but you're not
even allowed to I'm not allowed to say it.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
How about this? You know what. For me, the mob
kind of died when my father did. Like, my belief
of it has shifted tremendously. Now. There were men that I.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Still respect and there's men that I absolutely don't respect.
There's things I've seen when my father passed away that
I've my stomach turns when I look at certain people. Now, So,
now that he's gone, I know a side of it
that I don't like. And I'm okay that it's not
a part of my everyday world anymore. Because I don't

(22:59):
have somebody like my father representing my family. I'm good
with it. And whether it's allegedly or really was according
to the government, it said, so I can't say what.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
The government said that the government said anyway.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Okay, how far apart are you guys in age five? Oh? God,
that's wait, I.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Tell everybody five. Oh whatever?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
How did you How did you guys get along? You
know growing up? Were you guys tight growing up?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
We were. We were so.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Our sister is a lot older than us. She's kind
of like out there in the streets running amok.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, like young.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
We shared a bedroom together and we were We used
to play school and all the things little girls.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Do, but she never.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
When she got older, she didn't want me around, so
I had to go to my cousin Alexis to have
her include me.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
And then I got older and didn't want anything to
do with her anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Is that what happened?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, well you know what I think? For me?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
When I started to date, No, we were actually there
was like a brief.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
She went away to college. So Jennifer took the smart
route and she was going to be something.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I was going to be somebody's wife, and I was
going to be a mother and my father's daughter forever,
and that's all that mattered to me. And shame on
me because I did not expand my horizons the way
I should have. I kind of pigeonholed myself and thinking
this is all I could be and this is all

(24:35):
I should be.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
However, later on in life I became a mob wife on TV.
Still go pick either way.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, who are you married?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Oh no, I'm divorced. I married somebody who I thought
was like everything, and he became a federal informant.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
He's a rat. Ask no way, He's this scum of the.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He's a scumbag. I'm sorry I had my follow jail. Yeah, no,
I hate him.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I fucking I'm sure this is all stuff that I
that is out there I just don't know about.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
But wait, no, I'm really hot.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
He turned? So he did he? Did he turn? Or
did he come in like that?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
He turned?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Oh no, he turned? So Mob Wives and season one
or two too? Yeah, season two. I had plastic surgery
going terribly wrong, and he came back to me and
he gave me this rolex.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
It was this one rolex I didn't have.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
And I'll tell you why that's so important. I take
him back. I love you, mind you. I'm a domestic
violence survivor. My took him back anyway, no matter like
it's like the word abuse. I fool in every category,
but I took him back. I was convinced nobody else
would ever want me. I wasn't good enough.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I wasn't anything unless he said so.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So I went back with long story short, we find
out that he's cooperating, and lo and behold, he takes
off My money's gone everything. So I go to Hakpul
the jewelry because I've run his watch collection.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'd take mine off.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
They all had wires in them, and they will say, yeah,
true story.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, true story.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
So did you find out later how this happened? He
got clipped or something and then they turned him.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
So, no, he clipped somebody, That's how that would hurt.
He killed somebody.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Comes to find out that he was actually cooperating for
a lot moment than we knew. It was like he
started cooperating in two thousand and six. He turned November
twenty one, two thousand and eleven, is when he turned
himself in. And true story. My father before he came home,
he was coming home from eleven years. And I had
said maybe three or four months before he came home

(26:52):
in a letter my mom still has don't talk to nobody.
You're gonna go back to jail right before Thanksgiving, And
that to day before Thanksgiving they picked him back up.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
He was home three months after eleven years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Wow, So there's a when I said, I I despise
I haven't them anymore. There's a lot of a lot
of sadness behind something I built with so glamorous.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, everybody can wat where's that X? Now, where's that dude?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
He actually just went back to jail again. He did
just did the thirty three fucking years he kept his
face up and not being the bird on the wire.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I'm laughing non intended to your mother. I'm sma,
I'm laughing because I looked at your Instagram pages and
they interviewed like the Jonas brothers and and Joey what's
his name and his brothers, and you're like.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
He clips someone. I'm like, oh my god. Well he
I wanted to give him the proper terminology. He said,
I understand this heavy fodder. I can't help but just
be me.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I love that. And that's the same thing with my
with me too. I mean, you know, I've gotten in trouble,
not in trouble, but headlines written about me and ship
because I say things that are personal and and that's
what makes your podcasts great too, I'm sure. Just that authenticity,
that's what made mob Wives so successful. By the way, Jen,
did you were you the founder of that? Did you
start that show?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
So I created that and stive producers executive producer too.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
She likes she brags about me more than my mother,
which is a lot, but yeah, so I created that.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
And then it ran for six seasons, four spin offs
after show.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's great on the start I know. Yeah, and then
to the detriment of the relationship of your dad, right,
because he didn't speak to you for a minute.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, so everyone asked me like, how the fuck and
why the fuck did you do that? Right? But again
I go back to that rebellious side of me, just
wants to do what I want to do, and I'm
going to do it no matter what. And you know,
I lied to him. I never told him the truth
of what it was. You know, he was in prison already,
and so I just told him, oh, I made a show.
It's going to be out, and he was so proud,

(29:13):
but he had no idea what it was cold, he
had no idea what it was about. And by the
time he found out it was too late.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I had already signed it over, started making it. And yeah,
he was fucking curious. Yeah, he up us for two years.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Wow. Yeah, well, Renette houd of that, How was that
for you? Because Jen, look, I'm not saying you didn't
love your dad, but it almost seems like easier where
it's it's like, all right, like I have a separation,

(29:49):
but you have wrapped so much of your identity up
and who your father is and his love for you
and his protection. Now he's like, hey, you know what
Rene funk Off?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
It added to.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It fueled my depression and my addiction. Uh, most definitely.
I'm just my father's gone five years. I'm kind of
just figuring out who I am. I've always been. My
name was Anthony's daughter, and I was good with that.
So I'm kind of I'm learning about myself now. The

(30:24):
fact then it was it was terrible. I mean he
I wrote this man every week. He wouldn't write back
to me. As matter of fact, I was in the
hospital on my deathbed. I was literally on my deathbed.
The priest had come in and read my last rites
the second time, and my father pulled and he said,
you have sayga, buddy, your daughter. Your daughter's not I
had merca throughout my whole body. And my father didn't

(30:46):
want to get on the phone. And he said, no,
your daughter is darning and he said, nah, she both
didn't you and my mother said no. Anthony and my
father got on the phone and he said, you'll never
talk about that. Show I love you and that's it.
And that's act how my father and we never.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Talked about it.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
However, I know for a fact you know, it went
from me being Anthony's daughter to him walking down like
the corridor and Jamay's father being Day's father.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I don't know if he was too happy with it,
but I will tell you this.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
At the very end of his life, like I know,
going to visit him because he died of dementia, so
he was in a nursing home. He would ask me
to bring autographs for the nurses. So there he was
proud of us regardless.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, I mean when he was in there, he didn't
have VH one right, so I was trying.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
All he was hearing about was mob wife hog and
his friends were mad and everybody was mad.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
But they never really got a chance to see that.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
We weren't talking about anything that wasn't already on the news.
It wasn't about the men. It was about the women's experience.
And for me it was like Athart, he was like,
I want to show what women go through being in
this type of lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
So it was all about the women.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And finally when he came home after whatever, maybe it
was like season three or four, I don't even remember,
and he saw he was like, this is what everybody
was worried about.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Now granted he didn't like the title and the fact that.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
We were even talking, but he finally was able to
see for himself that it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
About him, it wasn't about the men, and it was
really just women talk.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
It was talking about how the lifestyle affected that.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Their lives became because of it. So, I mean, eventually
I think he forgave. He was never truly happy.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
But did he ever see it.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I don't know, not according to what.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
He told me, No, but he probably secretly watched it
episode or two, Like there was one episode that I
had a fistfight on TV and he was like, never
my daughter, And then I know he was like, you
got to learn how to fight, so I was. So
he probably saw a few things, but he didn't like
any TV that I did like, even when I did

(32:56):
we TV, I did.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
A couple of other shows he didn't like to watch.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
In general because he didn't like my behavior. And I was,
you know, I got nothing to hide, I'm gonna say
and do as I please, and that he was embarrassed
by a lot of my bad behavior.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
I don't believe I'm a little embarrassed by too.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
When did you guys, you had your separation of sorts
as sisters. But when did you come together again? You
know what I mean? Like once you went to college,
was there a moment where there was a bit separate
and then you found your way back to each other.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Probably when I had my son, my life kind of
came full circle and I needed my mother and she
was living with my mother.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Was Daddy in jail, Daddy in jail.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
She was living with my mother at the same time,
and our sons became like brothers. They were like the
best of friends. They still are to this day. So
I think that's what kind of brought up. I mean,
I always came back. It's not like I ran away.
My thing was like it was like I just wanted
my own life, you know. And she don't agree, but
I feel like I was the favorite child from both
my mother and my father and and they kind of

(34:06):
fixated on It's the truth.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
You became the favorite child. I was always the favorite child.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
J Jen. I can relate. I can relate always. I'm
my mom's favorite. There's hands down. That's it, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Well, you know what, me and Kate will battle you too.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Because my sister, my sister will will admit that she'll
be Oliver is the favorite, but I'm the oldest though.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, well, well a lot of the oldest.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I felt like like they like they fixed they fixated
on me, and it was a lot of pressure on
both sides.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
To me.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I felt like, you know, I had the pressure of
being everything my father thought I should be, and I
had the pressure of wanting to.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Be everything I wanted to be for my mother, and
I just wanted to be me, left alone in my
own world. So I kind of I didn't run away.
I was always part of the family and I.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Always came back, but I had a whole other life
over the other they didn't even know about.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And that's a whole other.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, and it's a good story, but why is it?
But why is that something that Why would you say
it that way, like it's a whole other life, which
is another story, meaning like you created a separate life
away from them that you didn't even want them to
know about.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So the difference is Jennifer is a lot. She's a
lot like my father. They're first of all, they're both scorpios,
and they have their My father was brilliant and my
sister is extremely brilliant, and their minds are able to
go places to see above and beyond.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Where I wasn't capable of. I'm sure I am.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I limited myself and I was good with it. Wife, mother,
you know that that was enough.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I wanted to go on the visits. I didn't want
to be the one that was being visited, got it? Yeah? So,
And I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Be my mother being controlled by a man in a
lifetime where you had no voice, you were invisible, you
were nothing.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
But an accessory on the arm. Yeah, not living that way.
And that's how ILL growing up.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
And I saw that, and I was like, we gotta
get I ask my mother, we gotta get the fuck
out of you.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
And she's like, I got nowhere to go. I got
no money of my own.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
And that to me was like, oh, now I know
how I gotta get out of here. I gotta make
my own money. I got to go to school, I
got to become whatever I want to become and go.
But I never wanted to leave.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
It was just me theoretically.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, you just wanted to individuate, you know what I mean.
If your mom had the money, if your mom had
the means, you think she would have gotten out of there.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
You would have never let her know anyway she would
have left. Oh, I would have taken her. She definitely
loved my father.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think that she was there was there was a
lot of it was like weird to me, right, there
was a lot of love, right, But I couldn't figure out, like,
if there's so much love, why is there also this?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Why is there also cheating? And she's gonna hate me
for saying it, But that's the.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Lifestyle, right right, the Glomas exactly.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
So why is there this? And why do you get
to stay out old fucking night? Well, she has to
take care of us. Why can't she go out too?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Like? And I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
She went bowling?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, bully, just there too.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
That her life.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
She's a really good bowling an old woman's bowlingly.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Dude, that's fucking amazing. That needs to be included somewhere
in some show that you're doing, like a incredible Well
I can't wait if you're looking for a forty seven
year old forty percent Sillian actor. Yeah, absolutely, I'm in Yeah.
And then what about your kids? How many kids do
you guys have?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
We got money, folk boy, and I have four grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So you do a man.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I have a seven year old, a three and a
half year old, and twin.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Girls that are eighteen months. I have one son.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, today we went to.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Go visit my dad at the cemetery and my grandson
put on us too. Am I going?

Speaker 3 (37:58):
So you guys show them the picture? Yeah. Wait, I'll
get it. I'll get it. I'll get it. He he
talks to my dad. It's it's, oh wow, can you
see that?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Can you see go closer? Oh my godvable.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
He's dead serious too, has this conversation.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I'll come back and visit you seven year old. I'm
seven years old. Now I'm going to second ques. It's
I try to do that. I try to teach him
as much as I can.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
He'll do that. But he's cute. He tells everybody my
grandmother was on mob wife.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, and who created and my badass aunt Jen created it.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
So we have one boy each and and they're good
boys and they're nothing like that world.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, but they understand that, they know it. They know
where they came from.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, they were.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Doing jail visits five months old, you know, so it
was like crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
But they did. They have a romantic notion of it
in any way. You know, they proud of the fact
that their grandfather was a consulieri allegedly.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm very proud of my father, very disgraced by his father.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
My son is very by his son. My son is
very disgraced by his father.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
He feels that, but he's still he's he goes by Graziano,
my son.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
He doesn't say his father's last name.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
No, he doesn't. Oh, got it.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, And if my father had it his way, all
the grandkids would go by Graziano.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
They would have no identity of their own right.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
What about it? What about marrying Italian? Was that something
that was important?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I didn't and that's why it was half Italian and
he was a loser.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I should have never married him. My father knew that
from the very beginning. He did not want me to
marry him. He was Puerto Rican and Italian, but he
didn't want me to marry Listen, true story is I'm
a you believer in God. The guy's last name is Pagan.
That's the first I got married in church. It was
called our Lady of Pity. You would have thought, and

(40:09):
a black crow, I swear to God sat above us
on the perch.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
You would have thought I would have ran out of
the church. And I let's not.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Forget the Chinese fighting fish that were her centerpiece, that eating.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Each other and fucking about it.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
They want the Siamese fighting fish, but I did. They
were bigger, but they were little, and they just all
I should have.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Known, multiple multiple signs. You should have just run.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Let me say this, My father liked him because he
was the muscle. He was the muscle, so he allowed
her to marry.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
And he changed his name to Junior and that was it.
So he made him Italian.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, and then the fact that he turned on him,
that was I think that like really hurt my father
because he was at one point he was going to
adopt him and give him our land.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I don't know, but I know I know who a
fact he was. I know, and I had a problem
with it because it's my lad your brother. No, he
wanted to give him his last name so he could
be a wise guy because he could never be a
wise because mother was Italian. He good for someone who
knows this more, look at you, I don't know nothing.
He can never be a wise guy.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Why what are the stipulation you.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Have to be all Italian?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Are you yes, and.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's in If there was ever an exception, it was
not on the mother's side. It's the father's side. What
are you sure? Kid? With you? Are you sure? I'm
not positive. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Then maybe I don't know as much as I thought
I did. And I like it that way because I don't.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Have to go to jail. They stay in that world.
Stay in the kitchen, Renee, Stay in the.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Kitchen Renee real quick. I want to get into your podcast,
but before that, you know, you're sort of addiction. When
did that take place? You kind of touched upon it
a little bit, you know where it stemmed from. Yeah,

(42:08):
where are you at with that now? Like you said,
you died twice.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
My addiction was present from the age of like thirteen fourteen,
and then throughout like my younger years, my teenage into
my twenties. It was champagne and cocaine. It's like where
I grew up and then being a domestic violent survivor,
they started to give me like my he chatted my sacrum.

(42:33):
So oxy eighties came into play when I was about
thirty six.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Was this from the same dude the Puerto Rican County? Y?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And how would your dad take to that ship?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
My father was in jail, and I never told because
I because I was taught a lesson.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
When I was about eight years old.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
My oldest sister used to row up the piggy bank
and my father and I cracked it open one day
to count money, and he said where'd the money go?
And I said, Lana took it.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Smacked me and he said, never tell on anybody, and that.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Stuck with me all my life. So I never told.
So I lived this lie, married to a monster.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
If your dad would have known the truth, what do
you think would have happened?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Killed him? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Do you think he would have killed him? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I didn't tell also because I thought it would be
my sin and I'd go to hell.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
I really believe that. In my mind, I wish I
did tell.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
However, I also had to think about losing my dad
to the system. If that was the case. It's not
here nor there anymore. But I'm now nine months and
ten days sober.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Wow, congratulations you thank you. I tried.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I started to get sober like fourteen years ago, and
back and forth and back and forth, and I would
say I was definitely sober at least six to eight
months a year, just not consecutively. And I battled it
and battled it. But now I'm too old into me,
you know, like eleven ten, eleven months ago, I'm better

(44:08):
on this side. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be
there for my grandchildren and they need me and they
really love me, uh and they want to hang out
with me.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
You know. My best friends are seven and three and
a half. So I'm there and they don't tell them
about it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You had an overdose.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I had several overdoses.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
The last one somebody said it was cocaine and it
was either ventanyl or or heroine, and I overdosed and
died and then well, I was intubated. I also went
into cardiac arrest and not all like so, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well you're you're You're meant to be here, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
There's been four of them, and two very big car
accidents that I don't even know how I walked out
of twice.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, she an only watched she got nine lives. That
would be like, yeah, so there's something more for me.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Did you experience death in sort of the typical sense
and how people say white light plastic surgery.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I did because I died on the operating table. It
was pink and purple. It wasn't white, but it's I
also did like it has a different for you.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
It was like, I'm very he's.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Like my little pony was there to take me away
to accept heaven.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
No, it was just very cloudy and beautiful and bright.
It wasn't white, but it was also just a voice.
It wasn't anything like God didn't say hey Renee, nothing
like that. It was just a place of peace. And
then I recently did like eyebo gain. Do you know
what eyebo gain is? Plant medicine?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Plant medicine which kind eyebo gain is from.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It's it's not an iohuasca.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
No, it's not ayahuasca. No, it's intervened. It's like a
twelve hour process.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
It's not like the ketemine therapies that are going on.
There's MDMA therapies that are happening. I do ketty therapys
phil a cybin Oh really, my friend my friend did
many you know, appointments of ketamine therapy. Said it was incredible.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
It is I I you know what I I needed.
I was crying every day that my father was dead.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I couldn't get over this death, and it brought me
to a place I haven't cried since. Like April, we
get a miracle, it is, it's a complete America. I
cried like on May fifth, the day pissed, but I
haven't cried every day. And for me, I came to
a place where I was able to let him go

(46:50):
with the notion that I will see you again. I
don't got to see you right now because that's where
my addiction took me.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I wanted to be more with my dad than did
the year mm hmm. Yeah. And if you watch all
she cries every episode.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Oh really, I I'm a grite baby.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I'm very I'm gonna cancer.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah. Well you're clean, which is fucking great. And do
you think this time you know what's going to keep
you clean? You know what I'm saying, Because you can
be cleaned for eight nine months, what's gonna keep What's
gonna keep you clean?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Every day is one day? For me.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I can't. Nothing is promised. It would be really nice
if I could tell you the answer, but I can't. Yeah,
I have to wake up grandkids.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
My grandkids are a huge part of me spending a
lot of time with them.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
But I have to.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Wake up every day and just actually like who I am.
That's that's a huge reason why I self medicate, is
I I really.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Don't always like me. A lot of guilt and shame.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You know, if you've ever heard an added story, they're
gonna tell you about the guilt and chain.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
So I wake up every day with uh, with the
hopes that I that I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Be needed by by my grandchildren and my son.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
And knowing that I make him happy is really important
because I know I stole a lot of his happiness.
You know, he has one parent, it's me, you know
what I mean, So let him be proud of at least.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
One of us.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I love that. That's great, and and and is there
any addiction in your family other than you?

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I believe so.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I know my father was a gambler. My father, his
lifestyle in general is addiction. You're addicted to that.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
But yeah, uh yeah, there's a lot of addiction my
father's side of the family.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, I don't care if they're gonna kill me.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Well, let's talk about your podcast, because now we gotta
we got to get out of here soon. Rene. You
go first.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
It's called the Crisis Queen, and I am there. We
talk about trauma, and I'm there to make light of
your trauma, but to make your trauma feel lighter.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I like that based on your experiences in trauma.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
She's a safe space that they can open up because
she's literally been through everything including death. Yeah, you can't
tell her who they're gonna tell really at the end,
and I ain't gonna tell my body.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I love that. I love that because I think I
think that's it's important, you know, and especially doing podcasts stuff,
if you are open to your open with your experiences,
you're allowing people then to open up themselves, you know
what I mean. And I've noticed that just through my
not just conversations with this show, but just in life.
You know, I'm very open about my anxiety and that

(49:44):
I've had for a million years in my childhood. And
you know the other thing too is you know, people
look at me or my sister and and if you
talk about trauma or any sort of you know, issues
in your life, immediately people are like, what the fuck
do you have to worry about? You grew up, you know,
with celebrity parents and bah blah. But that's just such bullshit,

(50:06):
you know what I mean. Like, we all have our pain,
and we all have our traumas, and you know, it's
important to talk about them, not just for yourself, but
allowing other people to not feel alone, not cerebraly. We
all know we're not alone, but sometimes it can feel
lonely in your pain and.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Only is a bad place. That's a scary place.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, well that's when that's when shit can
get really bad, you know what I mean. Yes, that's
when you do something that you probably wouldn't do, but
you get into such an you go into the doldrums
where you're just like, oh fuck, what's the point. I've
had dealt with anxiety, you know, for since I was
in my twenties. I'm a lexapro and you know, it's

(50:50):
totally manageable, but it rears its head. I've learned it,
you But I went through something maybe three or four
years ago where I would never kill myself because I
just won't. But I understood why people would, you know
what I mean? Yes, I would just be in such
despair and sitting there and like, man, I get it

(51:13):
because if this feeling was never to go away, how
do you exist with it? You know what I mean?
So it's I like what you're doing. I think that's great.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Thank you, and I would prey for you.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Thanks, You're welcome, and I'll come on your show if
you need me to do all so much awesome And
then Jene, what are you doing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
So, with this resurgence of everything mob because of the
twentieth twenty fifth anniversary of Sopranos and all that, Mob
Wives has a second run on Paramount.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Plus and for each one.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
So when I was creating it, I couldn't like I
was in it too much.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I couldn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
So we're doing a podcast, which it's sort of like
a mob Wise rewatch, going back watching the episodes in
real time. I'm breaking it down behind the scenes and
telling the truth about what's going on. So we're calling
it straightened out podcast, which is a funny term, but
we're straightening out the truth.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Great, is it just you? Now?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I have two co hosts that are kind of they're
like TikTok sensations. They're younger and they're now experiencing mob
Ways for the first time in their lives. So it's
really cool to see how they're getting it from the
because we, you know, we were off the air like
seven eight years.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Ago when they were younger. So now they're watching it
for the first time.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Oh that's fun. So you're getting fresh eyes on.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
It, exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
That's great. Well, this has been great. I appreciate you
guys for coming on and being as honest and truthful
and fun and uh, I can't wait to see what
you got going. I can't wait to hear your podcast
and I can't wait jen to see what you got
in the works. That sounds fun.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, hopefully. I mean it takes forever, you know that.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
But no, no, it takes forever.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
It takes. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I appreciate you guys. How fascinating Jesus even more than
anything else. You know, they're only three years apart. That's
basically my sister and I, but they are so different,
so different. You know, obviously you can see that they're

(53:13):
sisters and they have that rapport, but they're just so different.
So funny. One was like, fuck this, I want to
be my own person. The other ones like, nah, nah,
this is good. Anyway, that was fun. Let's get mobbed. Up.
I'm mobbed up. I'm mobbed up. What are you gonna

(53:36):
do about it? All right, I'm gonna leave by
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