August 4, 2025 • 46 mins
Tina Knowles joins the revelry with iconic ‘Queen Bee’ stories. Hear the exact moment Mama Knowles knew Beyonce's 'destiny' and the performance that brought her to tears!
The iconic ‘glamma’ also reveals the one thing Beyonce asked her to stop doing, and why she says she won’t!
Plus, at 70 years young, hear what Tina says about finding fulfillment after divorce.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a
sibling ravalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Ravelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good, all right, everybody, all of our sibling revelry listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I am solo today. I am sons Olivier Hudson.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Which I'm kind of happy about, even though I always
love having him around. Sometimes it's nice. I will break
and h and I get to interview like an absolute
icon because she gave birth to the biggest icon out there.
Right now, I get to interview Tina Knowles, and I'm
(01:10):
very excited because I just want to know everything about
her and how she raised those two insanely powerful and
beautiful daughters, Beyonce and Solange. And yes, I can't wait,
So let's uh, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
How beautiful and how were you? I am?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So I'm really good. I'm currently an aspen and yeah,
and it's beautiful, I'll bet, yeah, it's gorgeous. And I'm
just I'm just so happy to be here, and I'm
so happy to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time. I
know it has been a long I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was thinking about the first time I'm meting you.
And you might not even remember, but we were at
Jay's I think it was his thirty fifth birthday, it
was his fortieth, it was his fortieth.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I think it was his fortieth. Okay, So that was
a fun party. It was a really fun part that was,
you know, Carter Club or something.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, we had so much fun. I knew we'll talk
about her mom.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You were saying that kind of reminded you of your
mom because she was fun, And.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, well, I also remember I was contemplating the relationship
I was in at the time, and I was sitting
off on this on like a sort of away from
the house, a little bit on the beach, and I
remember I looked out to my right and I saw
this like beautiful goddess just walking down the beach. And
(02:42):
she walked up and it was your daughter, and Beyonce
just sat. We sat and we had one of the
great conversations. But she told me, yeah, it was just
one of those things I'll never I'll never forget because
she was so she was very helpful at that time
for me. And but I'm excited to talk to you
because you've had such an interesting, amazing life and gave
(03:05):
birth to such powerful women. What do you think has
been the most sort of powerful foundation of your life?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Probably just my upbringing, you know, with my mom.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I had a super close relationship with my mother. My
mother was forty four when she had me, which back
then was you know, I was born in nineteen fifty four,
so she was you know, older mom, and I was
pretty much a life because you know, other kids were older,
and we had this really really close relationship. And then
(03:42):
when I became a teenager, it was very strained.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
My relationship with my mom up until probably around eighteen.
We went through kind of a rough package.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And really, yeah, but if I had to say what
was my foundation, it absolutely was my family and just
growing up really poor in the South with a lot
of racism, and.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And it just taught me to be a fighter really
early on.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
But you know, we lived in Galveston, Texas, this little,
tiny little island outside of Houston, and you know, it
was segregated. You know, talk in the book about being
like five or six and having a ride at the
back of the bucks and not really ever thinking about
(04:31):
it because you just went on the bus and you
got to the back of the bus. But then one
day it was just so hot and my sister and
I used to catch the bus downtown and I went
and sat at the front of the bus and my
sister came up and she was like, you know, you
can't sit up here.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, I think it's the first time I really realized. Yeah,
before that, I hadn't thought about segregation or anything like that,
even though we lived in a black neighborhood and you know,
I went to a black Catholic school and anyway, it
was the first realization of racism. And there was a
lot of it then. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
It was like we couldn't eat at the lunch counters
and we couldn't there were a lot of things that
we had colored restaurants and a colored hospital and the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, it was a very big part of my upbringing.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Oh, I mean, it couldn't be the most defining thing,
especially foundational years and then having that experience and then
coming out of that time like what an interesting childhood,
you know, and trauma and traumatizing, Yeah, for.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Sure, it is so interesting because you know that I'm
still living and I'm seventy one. But like, my dad
worked in assault mine in Louisiana, as all the people
on this little island called Weeks Island outside of New Ibery, Louisiana.
It was an island that was actually a slave a
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slave plantation with the biggest slave owner. He bought this
little island so that the slaves couldn't they couldn't escape
because there was completely surrounded by alligators. So I was
familiar right about like going on now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And so.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
My dad worked in the salt mine, who was thirty
years old, and the salt mine blew up. They prematurely
set off dynamite and it blew up, and so it
trapped my dad and another man in the mind. And
at that time they didn't dig for people.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So he had nine brothers and like six cousins and
they were the whole black crew of the salt mines.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And so they told him, no, you got to go home.
They blow the whistle, send everybody home. And then my
dad's brothers and his cousins got together after or they
closed shut it down, and they broke in use equipment
and dug him out and they saved my dad. He
lost my spearing eye, ear and his left eye. So anyway,
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my dad started talking to union people. These guys came
to town and they were like, if you were in a union,
that wouldn't have they wouldn't have been able to do
this to you, but they would trouble so that my
dad was warned not to speak with him. My dad
kept talking to him and his next younger brother and
they actually set their house on fire and they left
(07:35):
Louisiana with only to close on their back and they
went to Texas.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh it's crazy, it's a move.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They could break this up, right, I guess you know
when you think about like who you were as a
little girl, and do you think the reason why you
and your mom started to have that riff was just
because you became rebellious or was there? Yeah, part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
But the other part was that my mom was so
overly protective of me because she didn't have anything else
to do, and so they were really overprotective, and I
just felt like she never trusted me, so she was
always thinking that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I was like, she was like, go put some clothes on.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, I was a seventy so like I mean
when I graduated in nineteen seventy two, but when I
was a teenager, I made all my clothes, me and
my nephew, and so I would have these little midrif
tops on and loan. Yeah, and she she just always
made me feel like she didn't trust me. But you know,
we wound up getting back together. At eighteen, I left
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home and I moved to California, and I saw some
mamas out there that made me go call my mama
and say best mama, no, because I was so mad
at her, down on her, and you know, I said
to her, I said, Mom, why did you never trust me?
Why do you think I was always up to pat
(09:02):
and six or I was gonna get pregnant or whatever.
And she said, Teeney, it wasn't you that I didn't trust.
I just didn't trust the world with you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think girls, you know, especially ones that are you know,
have are a bit sassy. I know I was that
that individuation is necessary. It's like super important, and it's
kind of what we're supposed to do. It's like I'm
not my mother, I'm my own person, you know, And
(09:33):
so it makes that that really the mother daughter relationship
can be very complex. It's super important, but so so complex.
Was your were your mom and dad creative? And did
anybody have Was there music in your life before you
had your girls?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, as far as music is concerned, my mom and
dad's song when they were young, not profession at all,
but they had like a little canteen thing. And I
didn't find this out until I was older that they sang.
And then my ex husband was in the singing group
when he was in school. I was in a singing group.
(10:12):
Like in black culture, Motown days, everybody had singing groups.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So I was one.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And so when Beyonce came along, you know, he played
the piano and we sang all the time to her
and music was always played. It was how we calmed
her down, and he sang to my stomach, which I
attribute to a lot of the musicality.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That she has.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
You know, she's sometimes it's a little It was amazing
because she started to harmonize when she's like six years old.
But I think I'm hearing all those harmonies in the womb.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, well, my daughter does the same thing. It's oh
my god, we were doing the other day. She's completely harmonized.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Her harmonize. It was crazy, and it is where did
you learn that?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And she was like, I don't know, but you're a
singer too, So it just I think it's something that
they have.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, we just sang a lot when they were little,
but and they would hear music all the time. What
is their age difference in five years? Five years?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And so with two like very different daughters, Like, how
do you how did you manage that dynamic? Was that challenging?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
It wasn't as challenging for me because I love the
fact that they were really different and kind of celebrated
it and really spent time with them individually. I think
that's the key to it. It was harder because people get,
you know, when they have multiple kids, sometimes it's so
much easier to put them together. But five years, they
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don't want to really. Yeah, they're different in each other's space,
especially the older one. The little one would love to
hang out with the older kids.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, that's my that all my kids are seven years apart, yes,
stem it, Yeah, seven years apart. I have twenty one,
fourteen and six. Wow, And so it's almost like I
had all this individual time with each of us. I
love though, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I thought it was. I thought it was so great
because they got so.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Much of me. Oh you yeah, you know. And then
and then it's very interesting seeing like the different like
I've got. I've got three kids and three completely different generations,
that's right, and I like goudy different.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They're all so different.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, they have similarities, but they're all incredibly different. And
I feel like I've had to parent them differently. Yeah,
they just needed different things, and they do need different things.
But it's it's fun to watch, you know. As we
do this podcast, it's a lot about like family dynamics
and siblings connections of it. Yeah, it's really it's been
(13:07):
really eye opening. And the sibling relationship is so powerful
and people don't talk.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
About it really enough.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's it's actually they're starting to see as like one
of the most, if not the most important relationship because really,
well because your parents, I mean obviously is the foundation
of what you are. But as they get older and
your life goes on, as they pass on, your siblings
are the ones who are there with you throughout everything.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And I've never thought about that, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And they and they also have different perspectives of the
same this like how you're raised so and especially for
probably you because you were so much younger than your siblings,
they probably had different parents.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Probably it was.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Absolutely and this is what you know, my sister always
one of my sister's birth down to her tenth birthday,
so she said I came to the world screwing her life,
and her party was canceled, and then my mom showed
up three days later said this is your difference.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
She was like, I don't want that men.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
That sounds like my brother.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah she did.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
She wasn't that nice when I was growing up, Like
we were never close, and then when we got older,
now we're like so close. But it took a lot
of effort at work because you know, and she says
to me all the time, she's like, you got the
best of mom, because by the time you came along,
(14:40):
you know, we were all gone and things were better.
But you know, she wasn't the same person, because I'm like,
my mom was the sweetest, nicest and she's like, you know,
and so we have two different parents.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I remember, uh
actually interviewing Tay Diggs and his brother and they had
completely different childhood experiences. Oh yeah, really really different, really interesting. Yeah,
and uh and yeah, I think it's it's it's when
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there's a when there's that age gap, it does happen.
I know for me with Ryder, I'm a very different
mother with Ronnie than I was with Poor Rider.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, my oldest.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Son, I was like, you know, twenty four and still
partying and having you know, going out and waking up,
like waking up at six to feed him and then
going back to sleep, and you know, he got he
got the wild mom.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
For you with the girls, like, was there a specific
moment where you knew other than like that you know,
music was what calmed her down, but when you really
knew like oh this is like real talent to pursue
into like a support.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, it's well. Beyonce, it was seven.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
She was seven, and her dance teacher, you know, beyonda say,
was really shy and very shy around somebody she didn't know.
But at home with us, she was like so dancing
and singing and doing all this putting on shows. But
then she'd get around people and just be quiet around
other kids, and so we put her in dance to
(16:31):
try to get her out of her shyness. And her
dance teacher I call her her stage mother. She you know,
she was like she told me one day, she's like,
she can really sing, and I say, yeah, she can sing.
But you know, it's your kids, so you don't want
to be the kind of person that's like, oh, she's
so special, because everybody thinks their kids are special. And
(16:52):
so she entered her into this. She went to a
Catholic school and she entered her into a talent show
for all the Catholic schools. And I didn't want her
to compete because they had high school kids competing.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I was like, that's so unfair. She's only seven. She's like, no,
she can win. So this woman.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Entered her into this contest and her dad worked with
her a little bit on this song, and then we
went to this Timlent thing and I'm just expecting, oh,
she's that's so cute. And she got out there and
killed it and got to stand in ovation and won
the contest. That's when I said, God, this girl becomes
somebody else on stage, because off stage she was this
(17:35):
shy person, but on that stage she just commanded it
and her confidence came so of course we were going
to encourage that because she became this really confident person.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Oh, it's like she's she she has very like specific composure,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I like that She's always kind and always sweet. But
she you know, she holds good boundaries, I think. Yeah,
with Solange, do you think part of her entry into
music had to do with watching her sister?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh, of course, yeah, it was just a part of
our household.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
She went to that same dance school, and you know,
I can remember salons being We laugh about it all
the time because she was like three or four, and
you know, they wouldn't let the little kids come out
and do the little, real simple stuff, but she would
always do the choreography with the kids, and so her
dance teacher stage mother started letting her go out and
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do like little solos and stuff. So she was just
destined from that's all they did. They didn't They weren't
normal kids. My sister used to say, your kids are
so weird. All they want to do is put on shelves.
I don't want to see another damn show. No, that's
what they did all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So at the time that they were doing this, what
were you doing fashion or were you designing?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I owned a hair salon, and I actually when I
had Clange, I was married for five years. I was
home with Beyonce the whole time. I didn't work outside
the home, but I always seld and made my own
clothes and made friends clothes and did their hair and
then make up. Like I've always been into fashion, but
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I didn't have a job outside the home. And then
my marriage got really rocky, and I was like, I
gotta you know, I've been out of a workforce for
four years. I got to go do something. So I've
been going to beauty school, but not to literally be
a hairstylist, just because I was always fascinated with it
and I needed to do something. And so I just
(19:50):
buckled down, got finished, and I literally had clone, because
I mean, I went through hell during my pregnancy with Solange.
With my husband, he just lost his mind. He was
going through a mid life crisis kind of early actually,
And and so by the time I had Salon, my
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breastfed fed her for eight weeks, took her to her
grandmother the next week, and I had a salon already ready.
So I got out of the school, took the boards,
passed them and went straight in them all salon and
you know, thank god, it was just super successful, really quick.
And then I within a year I opened a big
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salon of twenty four styllars, so I had one of
the largest ons.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, my ex financed the whole thing. He was always
super supportive. I opened my salon and once, you know,
he went and got counseling and he and we got
it together for years after that, and then you know,
it always kind of resurfaced his his inability to hold
(20:57):
things together.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, wise, not career wise, but marriage.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It happens. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I was saying to a friend you know that was
going through something with their partners. It seems to be
in the air.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I have a lot of friends going through things.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And the thing that always happens that the older you get,
it's like it's just, you know what, it's just not
that easy. Everyone says it's supposed to be easy, but
it's really not. Go through it.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
To me, it's marriage, you.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Were, relationships and having to constantly grow and move together
with one person is really challenging.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It is very challenging.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, it's like, you know this idea that it's like,
you know, I see some people they're like, you know,
it's always been easy, and it's like, like really so rare. Yeah, no,
I That's what I'm saying. There's like one one to
two people I know that's always was like it's just is,
you know, always been easy. But it sounds to me like,
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you know, it becomes very clear within like five minutes
of talking to you where your girls get their strength.
You are an incredibly strong woman. I'm let's talk about
your fashion and your love for it and like what
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you think defines personal style.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I kind of have this.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I
find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually
creating style, their own style. It's a bits it used
to be so different, like in the late nineties and
when Beyonce and I were both coming up at the
(22:49):
same that time, Yes, we didn't have like stylists and
like we were creating our own vibe and that doesn't
really exis just as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I wonder how you feel about us.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well, you know, my nephew, the one that Beyonce sings
about john Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know
if you heard that that chief spandex it looks a mess.
It's it's a whole thing with that. But he was
my nephew, and he was gay, and he was my
(23:23):
very best friend growing up, and so he was he
could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes.
So I grew up making my own clothes and us buying,
putting our money together to buy a Volgue magazine and
trying to copy the things that were in there. My
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mom was seems just my grandmother was seeings. Just my
great grandmother was seamstress, and so it's just been passed
down and so fashion was.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Always a big old part of what who we were.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And we were these really poor kids, but I live
were really confusing because we went to a private school,
Catholic school, and you know later I found out when
I was fourteen that my mother was bartering. So my
dad show up with the nuns. We lived across the
street from the school. My brother's cleaned the school yard.
My mom made all the altar clothes and the uniforms,
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and she did all the sewing. So it was and
we were the best stressed kids, even though we were
really poor. It was quite confusing, but fashion was just
always at the center of our lives and we were
the best stressed little kids.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
My mom would go to good Will.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
And Salvation Army get me these really good shoes, Buster
brown Shoes. She would be determined until she founded some
Buster brown Shoes, and we were just it was. It's
just always been a part of our lives. So when
the Girls started and the record company wouldn't give me
money to buy them designer clothes, they might give me
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fifteen hundred dollars before girls, I would take it and
buy expensive fabric and copy something or or are just
design it from scratch and make these costumes?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What was your I have tunesas down now to questions,
because the first part of that is I'd love to
know who your when you were younger, who your style
icon was, Like, who did you look up to that
you were like.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Oh, my god, Like I just loved Diana Ross in
the Spring, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Know, I was there there.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
She's like ten years older than me. So my sister
was a huge fan. She had all their music. But
I mean, for me to watch them on TV, the
costumes that they wore were unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Oh the best.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I wanted to be here because I was you know,
I was in a singing group and I was skinny
like her, and I would just move do all her moves.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I was obsessed with Diana Rock.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
She was my style icon, which is really interesting because
because you know, it was mostly like costume stuff. So
when I was doing this Destiny's Child, that's the criticism
that I got all the time. They dogged me out
as a designer because they would always say the stuff
is too over the top and it's too dramatic, and
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it's too shiny, and it's too too, too, too too.
But they were stay, you know, they were on stage.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like,
you know, who like critics. You want you always want
people to like what you do. But then you sometimes
you think you're like, wait, who are these faceless people?
Like what did they do that made them the person
that can actually tell you know, it's like you can't
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listen to any of it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And they probably would say we were real fashioned people,
and she.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Was not, you know, because I'm not formally trained. So
I was real insecure about that for a long time.
And they used to dog me out. But you know,
it's funny because when I look back on some of
that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yes, I wonder what your crowning moment was with Destiny's Child, Like,
what was except one of their looks that you were
(27:23):
the most proud of.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Two things stand out. One thing is when things started
changing for me as far as really being more secure
in myself as a designer. Was the Fold Fashion Awards.
They used to have this fashion Award. I don't know
if you remember that.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
We went to this Fold Fashioned Ward, and of course
I made these outfits for them, and when we got there,
they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how
they had affected the fashion world. And I was like,
oh my god, you know, and I remember them getting
an award for their customs and they remade their costumes
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and they had whole like a little fashion moment.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was like so shocked. And they brought me on stage.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And Kelly says at that speech, she'say, and I'm getting
choked up about it because you know, at that time
I was really in dog down.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And she brought me on.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
They brought me on stage and she said, all of
these costumes that y'all are clapping for, this lady did them.
And you know, it's kind of changed things because people
started respecting me a little more because they were quite abusive.
Like I remember being on a red carpet with them
and this girl said, almost knows that you make the
costumes and I said yeah. And she said when they
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were little, did you make their Halloween costumes? And I
was like yeah, and she said yeah, because this is one.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh no. It was the meanest oh no.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
And I said, well, I'm glad you recognized it because
you're wearing one too, and so you know, I can
snap back. I am from Galveston, Texas. So I snapped
back and I said, oh, you got on one too.
But I was crushed and I was like, I think
I'm not going to do this anymore. Like I just
there was so many times that I just the girls
would have to talk me off the ledge because they
(29:15):
were like, no, don't pay attention to them, you know.
And so it was that was my first time I
got really recognized and didn't feel I mean, I felt
good about it, you know, but it was tough.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm actually like shocked hearing this. I think it's.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Amazing to you know, for me, like that was such
I mean that era Dustiny's Child so huge, Their look was.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Such a huge. Part of it was absout what we loved.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
You know, and on the record label and I talk
about it in the book. They had a meeting with
my ex husband and they said, you know, if you
want them to cross over to a white audience, then
we have the MS. Tina is not the answer, you know,
we need to get rid of her. Oh no, I
went through a lot of stuff. But you know, but
(30:13):
they hung in there with me and were you know,
they were they they didn't buckle under the pressure. And
thank god, you know, because it was it was I
think it set them apart.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I remember, you know, this is so crazy you're talking
about this time.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And I remember with Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It was the Golden Globes and they were doing this
big MTV you know thing at the Golden Globes. It
was the year I won the Golden Globe and Andre
three thousand was up on a I could see because
I loved Andrea and I loved Dusty's child. I could
see Andre three thousand up at on like a balcony.
(30:57):
And then and then I saw your daughter. I saw
and she was and then she ended up interviewing me,
and I remember, you know, asking all these questions. I
remember looking at her and like the whole time, I
was like, gosh, she's just so insanely beautiful. I was like,
you get lost in Beyonce, you know. And then and
(31:19):
then someone actually sent me that footage and you can
see me just going yeah, yeah, and I'm just staring
at her, like, my god, she's beautiful. It was so cute.
How is your personal style evolved? Like as you get
older and as you look at like kind of your
evolution of like the seventies into your you know, how
(31:43):
for you, Like, how is it?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
How is it shifted?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I went through.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
A period where I just wore suits, and I still
wore suits most places because I just love a good
tailor cuts and I love Alexander Queen like broad shoulders
and uh. But this past, like the last couple of years,
(32:10):
I'm tired of suits and I want to wear dresses
and I want to be more feminine and not so
like you know, with power suit things. So I think
it's changing all the time, you know, I'm with sexy
stuff at seventy one.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It's also like I think, I know it sounds crazy.
I'm one of those people that just loves clothes so much.
It's it's it's it's almost as it feels like it
could be a sickness. You know. It's like I can't
I love my closet.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I like I could go.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I could spend hours in my closet, just like, you know,
figuring it out. I like the idea of you know,
sometimes I go in and I may I do all
these outfits. I sort of do all my own styling,
and I make these outfits. I take pictures of them,
and then I go back can I look at them
and like half of them are like what the fuck
(33:03):
was I thinking?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Sometimes when I look at the Destiny Show, I'm like
they might have had a point.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Sometimes crazy And Beyonce says it all the time too.
She was like, Mama, what were we thinking? I was like,
I don't know. But it worked for the time. You know,
were you?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Like, you helped build businesses and you're obviously a huge
part of are you still you? And you worked on
this closed still well?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
What I do now is like the tour that they
just went on. I hired the stylist, I keep the budgets,
which is really hard because she has probably Beyonce alone
has maybe three hundred costumes for the for the tool No,
she changes every night like three or four things and
(33:52):
a lot of them don't make it. And so the stylist.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The last tour, I hired four.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
People, a team of four people, four style and that's
not even including the dancer, styllars, the accessory stylists. Then
it's a big, big, big operation because it's five hundred
people on that tour, and that's how big the tour is. Wow,
And she changes so much and then you have like
twenty seven dancers and then you have a badness like
(34:22):
twelve people and she wants them to change, and so
that's a big operation. So I kind of just head
up that whole fee of how keeping the budgets tumble
sheet every single day. So it's you know, it's a lot,
it's a lot of work. People don't understand. For her
to change three and four times a night with costumes
(34:46):
for that many people is such a big undertaking. And
I think it's like forty regular people in wardrobe that
travel to every city. Then we hire about twenty more people,
so it's a lot to keep together.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I'm sure were It was really fun celebrating the last show.
I love it, I know, and this time it was
I got to see it in l A. I brought
my daughter and it was so cute because she was
just completely obsessed with Blue Ivy and Roomy and Ronnie
was like, oh my god, like that's all.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Six and a half. Well that's so cute. Yeah, but
I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, I mean, Ronnie couldn't believe. She's like, like, like
to see Roomy on on the stage, you know, and
she was like me and she was like, I mean
it was almost like I didn't think of it about
it this, but you think people go and they'd be
inspired by you know, Beyonce and just but what the
little girls. To see the kids up there, this was
just as motivating like that, Like Ronnie's like, no, I
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want to be I wanted to get.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Out there like like Blue Ivy.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And that's so cute. It was so cute. Did you
you were in Vegas and you celebrated the last show
and now it's everybody gets to just.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
And I'm so really you know, it's great and it's fun,
but it was. I'm glad it's over.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
How do you manage being mom the dynamic of mom
and daughter when you're together a lot of the time.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, it's you know, it's her show, it's her stuff.
She runs the show, and I'm just like everybody else
in terms of being you know, there to support her.
But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we're
we are mother and daughter. Yeah, and we have differences
and opinions or whatever. But you know, I have sense
(36:36):
enough to know that that's her stuff. Like she grew
up hearing all the time, this is my ship and
so that's her favorite thing, is this is my ship
at the end of the day. So you know, concede
to that also. But we get along really, really really well. Yeah, well,
(36:57):
mother and daughter, we get along pretty good because I'm
known brought back, you know, and and not be a
moment and.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Just yeah, I think that's the interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Like my mom has been pretty good with that as well,
Like she doesn't step in certain places. I think sometimes
what my mom does do, which is which I love,
is she'll check in with me if she can feel
that I'm overwhelmed or are you Yeah, and she'll check
(37:30):
in and be like, are you I'm feeling that you
might be over Are you okay, honey?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Like do you want to talk about anything?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Right? And that needs the difference, Lord, just to have
somebody that you can just be completing one hundred percent
volmed with and not have to be protected.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
You know, I would think that for both of your girls,
for you to sort of even just like be behind
the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there is
probably incredibly Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And I stay with the family the whole time so
that the kids have their grandmother and I can give
her a break, and I just try to support it
in any way I can. You know, Solange is very
different because Solange won't have me on tour.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
She never had point.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
I used to dress her, but she would take the
clothes and say, Mom, I don't need you crowd me.
You know, I need my space. So they're very different
in that way.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What's everybody's signs astrological?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Lange is a cancer Gemini, okay, and I think way
more Gemini than cancer. Just her family and the sensitivity
is so much like my mom cancer. Me as a
Virgo and I'm a Capricorn, so we are kind of
the same person a lot. You know, Jasons spread it
(38:51):
a couple of weeks ago. He was like, YouTube are
the same person. You know, we're pragmatic, we're like patient,
we play in we're conservative to a certain degree, and
you know, so we get along.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Really really well.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I love it if you had like one moment to
look back at Beyonce and Solange, but particularly just Beyonce's
career has been It's just I mean, it's talk about icon,
you know, she what we remembered forever for through time.
(39:33):
What was like the one moment where you kind of
looked at Beyonce it was like her stardom is bigger
than anything that I could have imagined.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
You know, It's been a lot of moments like that,
But I think when she got on the first Stadium
tour and it was seventy thousand people, it was you know,
as long as I've been doing this, because I've been
(40:05):
doing it for twenty five years, that was a different
level of fandom. You know, it was like it was crazy.
And I think that I remember getting really emotional, crying
am because I'm like, how did we get here? Because
this is passed by so fast. But I think that's
when I really realized the effect that she has on,
(40:29):
you know.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
World, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's phenomenal truly.
And and then do you ever have like mom moments
where you're like, I mean, of course she came from me.
Do you have around those ones where you're like, look
(40:50):
what I did. Look at my gorgeous daughters and how
powerful they are.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I think I think about it like that. I just
think about how blessed we are to be passionate about
something and for it to come to life like that.
I mean, I don't take it for granted. Ever.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I will never be jaded to think, oh wow, yeah, no,
I'm still crying. I'm still like I can't believe this,
you know, I still post. I'm the biggest cheerleader. I'm
screaming louder that anybody want Blue and room me come out,
not as much for me, but for them. Like the
(41:27):
other night was the last show, and Oprah and Gail
were there, and Carrie White was and they were all
when my grandchildren came out, they all had their cameras
out because they were like, I can't believe you get
this excited. Because I get up to the front of
the riser and I get my and I'm like and
I'm screaming the whole time, and I'm like, I have
(41:49):
no shame, you know. I post twenty five videos and
then I get a call and if you all say,
I'll be like, Mama, can you not post so much?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Like come on now, know you ever going to stop hosting?
You don't mean to do you do it too much.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I'm never I never want to be jaded about it
or take benet or feel like, you know, it's still.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Really exciting them. It's so great. So I'm sure your
mom is for you because you know, to.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
See yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. And there's also a
great feeling when you see your parents be be that
excited for you, for you, you know, it's like that you really,
you know, no matter what, I know, we grow up
and there's things of like, you know, you do it
for yourself too, not always, but like there's nothing like
(42:39):
making your parents proud. It's nothing like it doesn't matter
how old you are, what kind of success, it's just
the best.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Feeling in the world.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
And and but to sort of start to wrap up,
I wonder, like what.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Are you excited about? Like what are you excited.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
About that, or dream about doing and you haven't done,
or like, what are you looking forward to?
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I think for me, my life is I'm so happy
with my life. I mean I am. I just sometimes
I have to pinch myself because I'm like, I get
to travel, I get to meet people, I mentor inner
city kids in LA. It's one of the best experiences
of my life because, you know, just affecting it sounds corny,
(43:28):
but it's the honest to God truth. Like I get
to go over to Kip Academy and meet with these
kids on Mondays and affect how their lives are going
to turn out and exposing them to the arts. And
they're going to college now. And I mean, what better
feeling could you have than to do that? And then
(43:50):
I get to travel.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And meet people and and you know, I have to
pinch myself because I'm a little country girl from Galveston,
you know, and from this little small town. I'm not
formally educated. I didn't go to college, but I've gotten
the writer best selling book. I mean, god, I'm just
I'm so happy with my life. I really am.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
And you know, I went through a divorce a couple
of years ago, and maybe it's been a year and
a half ago, and I finally, at seventy years old,
got it. And I talk about this in a book.
I got it that I would love to have love
in my life, but if I don't, I'm gonna be
just fine. And it's a shame that I had to
(44:33):
get me seventy to realize that I was enough by myself.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
And I don't spare.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Woman and be able to say that because I've always
been taught to be humble and not to celebrate yourself.
And let you know, at this point, I say that
all the time. I don't give a shit and I'm
just being authentically who I am and free and I
(44:59):
am us enjoying life is the best.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's the best. I love this somebody, you know there's
that's so liberating. Yeah, yeah, you've you've liberated yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
I'm kind of pissed because I'm likeing, why did I
have to get to these seventy That's such a beautiful
place to.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
End on and and and and I I I'm so
happy we had this conversation. Enjoy your time off, all right?
I will, and uh, I enjoy this best selling book.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
What a dream? All right? What this was fun k,
thank you so much, thank you for doing it. Our buck.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh I'm in love with Beyonce's mother. What an awesome
chat and inspiring conversation. And that last thing that she
just said really.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Really like I.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Think for everyone everyone listening and any woman and all
women listening.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
A really important thing to take with all of us.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna meditate on that
one for a little bit. But how wonderful was that?
What a life, what a what an amazing, amazing strong woman.
All Right, guys, I'll see you next time, probably with Sebroski.
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a
sibling ravalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Ravelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good, all right, everybody, all of our sibling revelry listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I am solo today. I am sons Olivier Hudson.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Which I'm kind of happy about, even though I always
love having him around. Sometimes it's nice. I will break
and h and I get to interview like an absolute
icon because she gave birth to the biggest icon out there.
Right now, I get to interview Tina Knowles, and I'm
(01:10):
very excited because I just want to know everything about
her and how she raised those two insanely powerful and
beautiful daughters, Beyonce and Solange. And yes, I can't wait,
So let's uh, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
How beautiful and how were you? I am?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So I'm really good. I'm currently an aspen and yeah,
and it's beautiful, I'll bet, yeah, it's gorgeous. And I'm
just I'm just so happy to be here, and I'm
so happy to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time. I
know it has been a long I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was thinking about the first time I'm meting you.
And you might not even remember, but we were at
Jay's I think it was his thirty fifth birthday, it
was his fortieth, it was his fortieth.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I think it was his fortieth. Okay, So that was
a fun party. It was a really fun part that was,
you know, Carter Club or something.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, we had so much fun. I knew we'll talk
about her mom.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You were saying that kind of reminded you of your
mom because she was fun, And.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, well, I also remember I was contemplating the relationship
I was in at the time, and I was sitting
off on this on like a sort of away from
the house, a little bit on the beach, and I
remember I looked out to my right and I saw
this like beautiful goddess just walking down the beach. And
(02:42):
she walked up and it was your daughter, and Beyonce
just sat. We sat and we had one of the
great conversations. But she told me, yeah, it was just
one of those things I'll never I'll never forget because
she was so she was very helpful at that time
for me. And but I'm excited to talk to you
because you've had such an interesting, amazing life and gave
(03:05):
birth to such powerful women. What do you think has
been the most sort of powerful foundation of your life?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Probably just my upbringing, you know, with my mom.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I had a super close relationship with my mother. My
mother was forty four when she had me, which back
then was you know, I was born in nineteen fifty four,
so she was you know, older mom, and I was
pretty much a life because you know, other kids were older,
and we had this really really close relationship. And then
(03:42):
when I became a teenager, it was very strained.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
My relationship with my mom up until probably around eighteen.
We went through kind of a rough package.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And really, yeah, but if I had to say what
was my foundation, it absolutely was my family and just
growing up really poor in the South with a lot
of racism, and.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And it just taught me to be a fighter really
early on.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
But you know, we lived in Galveston, Texas, this little,
tiny little island outside of Houston, and you know, it
was segregated. You know, talk in the book about being
like five or six and having a ride at the
back of the bucks and not really ever thinking about
(04:31):
it because you just went on the bus and you
got to the back of the bus. But then one
day it was just so hot and my sister and
I used to catch the bus downtown and I went
and sat at the front of the bus and my
sister came up and she was like, you know, you
can't sit up here.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, I think it's the first time I really realized. Yeah,
before that, I hadn't thought about segregation or anything like that,
even though we lived in a black neighborhood and you know,
I went to a black Catholic school and anyway, it
was the first realization of racism. And there was a
lot of it then. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
It was like we couldn't eat at the lunch counters
and we couldn't there were a lot of things that
we had colored restaurants and a colored hospital and the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, it was a very big part of my upbringing.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Oh, I mean, it couldn't be the most defining thing,
especially foundational years and then having that experience and then
coming out of that time like what an interesting childhood,
you know, and trauma and traumatizing, Yeah, for.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Sure, it is so interesting because you know that I'm
still living and I'm seventy one. But like, my dad
worked in assault mine in Louisiana, as all the people
on this little island called Weeks Island outside of New Ibery, Louisiana.
It was an island that was actually a slave a
(06:04):
slave plantation with the biggest slave owner. He bought this
little island so that the slaves couldn't they couldn't escape
because there was completely surrounded by alligators. So I was
familiar right about like going on now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And so.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
My dad worked in the salt mine, who was thirty
years old, and the salt mine blew up. They prematurely
set off dynamite and it blew up, and so it
trapped my dad and another man in the mind. And
at that time they didn't dig for people.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So he had nine brothers and like six cousins and
they were the whole black crew of the salt mines.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And so they told him, no, you got to go home.
They blow the whistle, send everybody home. And then my
dad's brothers and his cousins got together after or they
closed shut it down, and they broke in use equipment
and dug him out and they saved my dad. He
lost my spearing eye, ear and his left eye. So anyway,
(07:13):
my dad started talking to union people. These guys came
to town and they were like, if you were in a union,
that wouldn't have they wouldn't have been able to do
this to you, but they would trouble so that my
dad was warned not to speak with him. My dad
kept talking to him and his next younger brother and
they actually set their house on fire and they left
(07:35):
Louisiana with only to close on their back and they
went to Texas.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh it's crazy, it's a move.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They could break this up, right, I guess you know
when you think about like who you were as a
little girl, and do you think the reason why you
and your mom started to have that riff was just
because you became rebellious or was there? Yeah, part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
But the other part was that my mom was so
overly protective of me because she didn't have anything else
to do, and so they were really overprotective, and I
just felt like she never trusted me, so she was
always thinking that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I was like, she was like, go put some clothes on.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, I was a seventy so like I mean
when I graduated in nineteen seventy two, but when I
was a teenager, I made all my clothes, me and
my nephew, and so I would have these little midrif
tops on and loan. Yeah, and she she just always
made me feel like she didn't trust me. But you know,
we wound up getting back together. At eighteen, I left
(08:40):
home and I moved to California, and I saw some
mamas out there that made me go call my mama
and say best mama, no, because I was so mad
at her, down on her, and you know, I said
to her, I said, Mom, why did you never trust me?
Why do you think I was always up to pat
(09:02):
and six or I was gonna get pregnant or whatever.
And she said, Teeney, it wasn't you that I didn't trust.
I just didn't trust the world with you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think girls, you know, especially ones that are you know,
have are a bit sassy. I know I was that
that individuation is necessary. It's like super important, and it's
kind of what we're supposed to do. It's like I'm
not my mother, I'm my own person, you know, And
(09:33):
so it makes that that really the mother daughter relationship
can be very complex. It's super important, but so so complex.
Was your were your mom and dad creative? And did
anybody have Was there music in your life before you
had your girls?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, as far as music is concerned, my mom and
dad's song when they were young, not profession at all,
but they had like a little canteen thing. And I
didn't find this out until I was older that they sang.
And then my ex husband was in the singing group
when he was in school. I was in a singing group.
(10:12):
Like in black culture, Motown days, everybody had singing groups.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So I was one.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And so when Beyonce came along, you know, he played
the piano and we sang all the time to her
and music was always played. It was how we calmed
her down, and he sang to my stomach, which I
attribute to a lot of the musicality.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That she has.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
You know, she's sometimes it's a little It was amazing
because she started to harmonize when she's like six years old.
But I think I'm hearing all those harmonies in the womb.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, well, my daughter does the same thing. It's oh
my god, we were doing the other day. She's completely harmonized.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Her harmonize. It was crazy, and it is where did
you learn that?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And she was like, I don't know, but you're a
singer too, So it just I think it's something that
they have.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, we just sang a lot when they were little,
but and they would hear music all the time. What
is their age difference in five years? Five years?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And so with two like very different daughters, Like, how
do you how did you manage that dynamic? Was that challenging?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
It wasn't as challenging for me because I love the
fact that they were really different and kind of celebrated
it and really spent time with them individually. I think
that's the key to it. It was harder because people get,
you know, when they have multiple kids, sometimes it's so
much easier to put them together. But five years, they
(11:56):
don't want to really. Yeah, they're different in each other's space,
especially the older one. The little one would love to
hang out with the older kids.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, that's my that all my kids are seven years apart, yes,
stem it, Yeah, seven years apart. I have twenty one,
fourteen and six. Wow, And so it's almost like I
had all this individual time with each of us. I
love though, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I thought it was. I thought it was so great
because they got so.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Much of me. Oh you yeah, you know. And then
and then it's very interesting seeing like the different like
I've got. I've got three kids and three completely different generations,
that's right, and I like goudy different.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They're all so different.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, they have similarities, but they're all incredibly different. And
I feel like I've had to parent them differently. Yeah,
they just needed different things, and they do need different things.
But it's it's fun to watch, you know. As we
do this podcast, it's a lot about like family dynamics
and siblings connections of it. Yeah, it's really it's been
(13:07):
really eye opening. And the sibling relationship is so powerful
and people don't talk.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
About it really enough.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's it's actually they're starting to see as like one
of the most, if not the most important relationship because really,
well because your parents, I mean obviously is the foundation
of what you are. But as they get older and
your life goes on, as they pass on, your siblings
are the ones who are there with you throughout everything.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And I've never thought about that, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And they and they also have different perspectives of the
same this like how you're raised so and especially for
probably you because you were so much younger than your siblings,
they probably had different parents.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Probably it was.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Absolutely and this is what you know, my sister always
one of my sister's birth down to her tenth birthday,
so she said I came to the world screwing her life,
and her party was canceled, and then my mom showed
up three days later said this is your difference.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
She was like, I don't want that men.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
That sounds like my brother.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah she did.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
She wasn't that nice when I was growing up, Like
we were never close, and then when we got older,
now we're like so close. But it took a lot
of effort at work because you know, and she says
to me all the time, she's like, you got the
best of mom, because by the time you came along,
(14:40):
you know, we were all gone and things were better.
But you know, she wasn't the same person, because I'm like,
my mom was the sweetest, nicest and she's like, you know,
and so we have two different parents.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I remember, uh
actually interviewing Tay Diggs and his brother and they had
completely different childhood experiences. Oh yeah, really really different, really interesting. Yeah,
and uh and yeah, I think it's it's it's when
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there's a when there's that age gap, it does happen.
I know for me with Ryder, I'm a very different
mother with Ronnie than I was with Poor Rider.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, my oldest.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Son, I was like, you know, twenty four and still
partying and having you know, going out and waking up,
like waking up at six to feed him and then
going back to sleep, and you know, he got he
got the wild mom.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
For you with the girls, like, was there a specific
moment where you knew other than like that you know,
music was what calmed her down, but when you really
knew like oh this is like real talent to pursue
into like a support.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, it's well. Beyonce, it was seven.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
She was seven, and her dance teacher, you know, beyonda say,
was really shy and very shy around somebody she didn't know.
But at home with us, she was like so dancing
and singing and doing all this putting on shows. But
then she'd get around people and just be quiet around
other kids, and so we put her in dance to
(16:31):
try to get her out of her shyness. And her
dance teacher I call her her stage mother. She you know,
she was like she told me one day, she's like,
she can really sing, and I say, yeah, she can sing.
But you know, it's your kids, so you don't want
to be the kind of person that's like, oh, she's
so special, because everybody thinks their kids are special. And
(16:52):
so she entered her into this. She went to a
Catholic school and she entered her into a talent show
for all the Catholic schools. And I didn't want her
to compete because they had high school kids competing.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I was like, that's so unfair. She's only seven. She's like, no,
she can win. So this woman.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Entered her into this contest and her dad worked with
her a little bit on this song, and then we
went to this Timlent thing and I'm just expecting, oh,
she's that's so cute. And she got out there and
killed it and got to stand in ovation and won
the contest. That's when I said, God, this girl becomes
somebody else on stage, because off stage she was this
(17:35):
shy person, but on that stage she just commanded it
and her confidence came so of course we were going
to encourage that because she became this really confident person.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Oh, it's like she's she she has very like specific composure,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I like that She's always kind and always sweet. But
she you know, she holds good boundaries, I think. Yeah,
with Solange, do you think part of her entry into
music had to do with watching her sister?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh, of course, yeah, it was just a part of
our household.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
She went to that same dance school, and you know,
I can remember salons being We laugh about it all
the time because she was like three or four, and
you know, they wouldn't let the little kids come out
and do the little, real simple stuff, but she would
always do the choreography with the kids, and so her
dance teacher stage mother started letting her go out and
(18:40):
do like little solos and stuff. So she was just
destined from that's all they did. They didn't They weren't
normal kids. My sister used to say, your kids are
so weird. All they want to do is put on shelves.
I don't want to see another damn show. No, that's
what they did all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So at the time that they were doing this, what
were you doing fashion or were you designing?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I owned a hair salon, and I actually when I
had Clange, I was married for five years. I was
home with Beyonce the whole time. I didn't work outside
the home, but I always seld and made my own
clothes and made friends clothes and did their hair and
then make up. Like I've always been into fashion, but
(19:27):
I didn't have a job outside the home. And then
my marriage got really rocky, and I was like, I
gotta you know, I've been out of a workforce for
four years. I got to go do something. So I've
been going to beauty school, but not to literally be
a hairstylist, just because I was always fascinated with it
and I needed to do something. And so I just
(19:50):
buckled down, got finished, and I literally had clone, because
I mean, I went through hell during my pregnancy with Solange.
With my husband, he just lost his mind. He was
going through a mid life crisis kind of early actually,
And and so by the time I had Salon, my
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breastfed fed her for eight weeks, took her to her
grandmother the next week, and I had a salon already ready.
So I got out of the school, took the boards,
passed them and went straight in them all salon and
you know, thank god, it was just super successful, really quick.
And then I within a year I opened a big
(20:32):
salon of twenty four styllars, so I had one of
the largest ons.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, my ex financed the whole thing. He was always
super supportive. I opened my salon and once, you know,
he went and got counseling and he and we got
it together for years after that, and then you know,
it always kind of resurfaced his his inability to hold
(20:57):
things together.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, wise, not career wise, but marriage.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It happens. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I was saying to a friend you know that was
going through something with their partners. It seems to be
in the air.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I have a lot of friends going through things.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And the thing that always happens that the older you get,
it's like it's just, you know what, it's just not
that easy. Everyone says it's supposed to be easy, but
it's really not. Go through it.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
To me, it's marriage, you.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Were, relationships and having to constantly grow and move together
with one person is really challenging.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It is very challenging.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, it's like, you know this idea that it's like,
you know, I see some people they're like, you know,
it's always been easy, and it's like, like really so rare. Yeah, no,
I That's what I'm saying. There's like one one to
two people I know that's always was like it's just is,
you know, always been easy. But it sounds to me like,
(22:01):
you know, it becomes very clear within like five minutes
of talking to you where your girls get their strength.
You are an incredibly strong woman. I'm let's talk about
your fashion and your love for it and like what
(22:22):
you think defines personal style.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I kind of have this.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I
find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually
creating style, their own style. It's a bits it used
to be so different, like in the late nineties and
when Beyonce and I were both coming up at the
(22:49):
same that time, Yes, we didn't have like stylists and
like we were creating our own vibe and that doesn't
really exis just as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I wonder how you feel about us.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well, you know, my nephew, the one that Beyonce sings
about john Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know
if you heard that that chief spandex it looks a mess.
It's it's a whole thing with that. But he was
my nephew, and he was gay, and he was my
(23:23):
very best friend growing up, and so he was he
could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes.
So I grew up making my own clothes and us buying,
putting our money together to buy a Volgue magazine and
trying to copy the things that were in there. My
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mom was seems just my grandmother was seeings. Just my
great grandmother was seamstress, and so it's just been passed
down and so fashion was.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Always a big old part of what who we were.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And we were these really poor kids, but I live
were really confusing because we went to a private school,
Catholic school, and you know later I found out when
I was fourteen that my mother was bartering. So my
dad show up with the nuns. We lived across the
street from the school. My brother's cleaned the school yard.
My mom made all the altar clothes and the uniforms,
(24:18):
and she did all the sewing. So it was and
we were the best stressed kids, even though we were
really poor. It was quite confusing, but fashion was just
always at the center of our lives and we were
the best stressed little kids.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
My mom would go to good Will.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
And Salvation Army get me these really good shoes, Buster
brown Shoes. She would be determined until she founded some
Buster brown Shoes, and we were just it was. It's
just always been a part of our lives. So when
the Girls started and the record company wouldn't give me
money to buy them designer clothes, they might give me
(24:59):
fifteen hundred dollars before girls, I would take it and
buy expensive fabric and copy something or or are just
design it from scratch and make these costumes?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What was your I have tunesas down now to questions,
because the first part of that is I'd love to
know who your when you were younger, who your style
icon was, Like, who did you look up to that
you were like.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Oh, my god, Like I just loved Diana Ross in
the Spring, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Know, I was there there.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
She's like ten years older than me. So my sister
was a huge fan. She had all their music. But
I mean, for me to watch them on TV, the
costumes that they wore were unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Oh the best.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I wanted to be here because I was you know,
I was in a singing group and I was skinny
like her, and I would just move do all her moves.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I was obsessed with Diana Rock.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
She was my style icon, which is really interesting because
because you know, it was mostly like costume stuff. So
when I was doing this Destiny's Child, that's the criticism
that I got all the time. They dogged me out
as a designer because they would always say the stuff
is too over the top and it's too dramatic, and
(26:13):
it's too shiny, and it's too too, too, too too.
But they were stay, you know, they were on stage.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like,
you know, who like critics. You want you always want
people to like what you do. But then you sometimes
you think you're like, wait, who are these faceless people?
Like what did they do that made them the person
that can actually tell you know, it's like you can't
(26:44):
listen to any of it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And they probably would say we were real fashioned people,
and she.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Was not, you know, because I'm not formally trained. So
I was real insecure about that for a long time.
And they used to dog me out. But you know,
it's funny because when I look back on some of
that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yes, I wonder what your crowning moment was with Destiny's Child, Like,
what was except one of their looks that you were
(27:23):
the most proud of.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Two things stand out. One thing is when things started
changing for me as far as really being more secure
in myself as a designer. Was the Fold Fashion Awards.
They used to have this fashion Award. I don't know
if you remember that.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
We went to this Fold Fashioned Ward, and of course
I made these outfits for them, and when we got there,
they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how
they had affected the fashion world. And I was like,
oh my god, you know, and I remember them getting
an award for their customs and they remade their costumes
(28:02):
and they had whole like a little fashion moment.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was like so shocked. And they brought me on stage.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And Kelly says at that speech, she'say, and I'm getting
choked up about it because you know, at that time
I was really in dog down.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And she brought me on.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
They brought me on stage and she said, all of
these costumes that y'all are clapping for, this lady did them.
And you know, it's kind of changed things because people
started respecting me a little more because they were quite abusive.
Like I remember being on a red carpet with them
and this girl said, almost knows that you make the
costumes and I said yeah. And she said when they
(28:44):
were little, did you make their Halloween costumes? And I
was like yeah, and she said yeah, because this is one.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh no. It was the meanest oh no.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
And I said, well, I'm glad you recognized it because
you're wearing one too, and so you know, I can
snap back. I am from Galveston, Texas. So I snapped
back and I said, oh, you got on one too.
But I was crushed and I was like, I think
I'm not going to do this anymore. Like I just
there was so many times that I just the girls
would have to talk me off the ledge because they
(29:15):
were like, no, don't pay attention to them, you know.
And so it was that was my first time I
got really recognized and didn't feel I mean, I felt
good about it, you know, but it was tough.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm actually like shocked hearing this. I think it's.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Amazing to you know, for me, like that was such
I mean that era Dustiny's Child so huge, Their look was.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Such a huge. Part of it was absout what we loved.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
You know, and on the record label and I talk
about it in the book. They had a meeting with
my ex husband and they said, you know, if you
want them to cross over to a white audience, then
we have the MS. Tina is not the answer, you know,
we need to get rid of her. Oh no, I
went through a lot of stuff. But you know, but
(30:13):
they hung in there with me and were you know,
they were they they didn't buckle under the pressure. And
thank god, you know, because it was it was I
think it set them apart.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I remember, you know, this is so crazy you're talking
about this time.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And I remember with Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It was the Golden Globes and they were doing this
big MTV you know thing at the Golden Globes. It
was the year I won the Golden Globe and Andre
three thousand was up on a I could see because
I loved Andrea and I loved Dusty's child. I could
see Andre three thousand up at on like a balcony.
(30:57):
And then and then I saw your daughter. I saw
and she was and then she ended up interviewing me,
and I remember, you know, asking all these questions. I
remember looking at her and like the whole time, I
was like, gosh, she's just so insanely beautiful. I was like,
you get lost in Beyonce, you know. And then and
(31:19):
then someone actually sent me that footage and you can
see me just going yeah, yeah, and I'm just staring
at her, like, my god, she's beautiful. It was so cute.
How is your personal style evolved? Like as you get
older and as you look at like kind of your
evolution of like the seventies into your you know, how
(31:43):
for you, Like, how is it?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
How is it shifted?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I went through.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
A period where I just wore suits, and I still
wore suits most places because I just love a good
tailor cuts and I love Alexander Queen like broad shoulders
and uh. But this past, like the last couple of years,
(32:10):
I'm tired of suits and I want to wear dresses
and I want to be more feminine and not so
like you know, with power suit things. So I think
it's changing all the time, you know, I'm with sexy
stuff at seventy one.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It's also like I think, I know it sounds crazy.
I'm one of those people that just loves clothes so much.
It's it's it's it's almost as it feels like it
could be a sickness. You know. It's like I can't
I love my closet.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I like I could go.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I could spend hours in my closet, just like, you know,
figuring it out. I like the idea of you know,
sometimes I go in and I may I do all
these outfits. I sort of do all my own styling,
and I make these outfits. I take pictures of them,
and then I go back can I look at them
and like half of them are like what the fuck
(33:03):
was I thinking?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Sometimes when I look at the Destiny Show, I'm like
they might have had a point.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Sometimes crazy And Beyonce says it all the time too.
She was like, Mama, what were we thinking? I was like,
I don't know. But it worked for the time. You know,
were you?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Like, you helped build businesses and you're obviously a huge
part of are you still you? And you worked on
this closed still well?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
What I do now is like the tour that they
just went on. I hired the stylist, I keep the budgets,
which is really hard because she has probably Beyonce alone
has maybe three hundred costumes for the for the tool No,
she changes every night like three or four things and
(33:52):
a lot of them don't make it. And so the stylist.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The last tour, I hired four.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
People, a team of four people, four style and that's
not even including the dancer, styllars, the accessory stylists. Then
it's a big, big, big operation because it's five hundred
people on that tour, and that's how big the tour is. Wow,
And she changes so much and then you have like
twenty seven dancers and then you have a badness like
(34:22):
twelve people and she wants them to change, and so
that's a big operation. So I kind of just head
up that whole fee of how keeping the budgets tumble
sheet every single day. So it's you know, it's a lot,
it's a lot of work. People don't understand. For her
to change three and four times a night with costumes
(34:46):
for that many people is such a big undertaking. And
I think it's like forty regular people in wardrobe that
travel to every city. Then we hire about twenty more people,
so it's a lot to keep together.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I'm sure were It was really fun celebrating the last show.
I love it, I know, and this time it was
I got to see it in l A. I brought
my daughter and it was so cute because she was
just completely obsessed with Blue Ivy and Roomy and Ronnie
was like, oh my god, like that's all.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Six and a half. Well that's so cute. Yeah, but
I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, I mean, Ronnie couldn't believe. She's like, like, like
to see Roomy on on the stage, you know, and
she was like me and she was like, I mean
it was almost like I didn't think of it about
it this, but you think people go and they'd be
inspired by you know, Beyonce and just but what the
little girls. To see the kids up there, this was
just as motivating like that, Like Ronnie's like, no, I
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want to be I wanted to get.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Out there like like Blue Ivy.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And that's so cute. It was so cute. Did you
you were in Vegas and you celebrated the last show
and now it's everybody gets to just.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
And I'm so really you know, it's great and it's fun,
but it was. I'm glad it's over.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
How do you manage being mom the dynamic of mom
and daughter when you're together a lot of the time.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, it's you know, it's her show, it's her stuff.
She runs the show, and I'm just like everybody else
in terms of being you know, there to support her.
But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we're
we are mother and daughter. Yeah, and we have differences
and opinions or whatever. But you know, I have sense
(36:36):
enough to know that that's her stuff. Like she grew
up hearing all the time, this is my ship and
so that's her favorite thing, is this is my ship
at the end of the day. So you know, concede
to that also. But we get along really, really really well. Yeah, well,
(36:57):
mother and daughter, we get along pretty good because I'm
known brought back, you know, and and not be a
moment and.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Just yeah, I think that's the interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Like my mom has been pretty good with that as well,
Like she doesn't step in certain places. I think sometimes
what my mom does do, which is which I love,
is she'll check in with me if she can feel
that I'm overwhelmed or are you Yeah, and she'll check
(37:30):
in and be like, are you I'm feeling that you
might be over Are you okay, honey?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Like do you want to talk about anything?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Right? And that needs the difference, Lord, just to have
somebody that you can just be completing one hundred percent
volmed with and not have to be protected.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
You know, I would think that for both of your girls,
for you to sort of even just like be behind
the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there is
probably incredibly Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And I stay with the family the whole time so
that the kids have their grandmother and I can give
her a break, and I just try to support it
in any way I can. You know, Solange is very
different because Solange won't have me on tour.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
She never had point.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
I used to dress her, but she would take the
clothes and say, Mom, I don't need you crowd me.
You know, I need my space. So they're very different
in that way.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What's everybody's signs astrological?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Lange is a cancer Gemini, okay, and I think way
more Gemini than cancer. Just her family and the sensitivity
is so much like my mom cancer. Me as a
Virgo and I'm a Capricorn, so we are kind of
the same person a lot. You know, Jasons spread it
(38:51):
a couple of weeks ago. He was like, YouTube are
the same person. You know, we're pragmatic, we're like patient,
we play in we're conservative to a certain degree, and
you know, so we get along.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Really really well.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I love it if you had like one moment to
look back at Beyonce and Solange, but particularly just Beyonce's
career has been It's just I mean, it's talk about icon,
you know, she what we remembered forever for through time.
(39:33):
What was like the one moment where you kind of
looked at Beyonce it was like her stardom is bigger
than anything that I could have imagined.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
You know, It's been a lot of moments like that,
But I think when she got on the first Stadium
tour and it was seventy thousand people, it was you know,
as long as I've been doing this, because I've been
(40:05):
doing it for twenty five years, that was a different
level of fandom. You know, it was like it was crazy.
And I think that I remember getting really emotional, crying
am because I'm like, how did we get here? Because
this is passed by so fast. But I think that's
when I really realized the effect that she has on,
(40:29):
you know.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
World, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's phenomenal truly.
And and then do you ever have like mom moments
where you're like, I mean, of course she came from me.
Do you have around those ones where you're like, look
(40:50):
what I did. Look at my gorgeous daughters and how
powerful they are.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I think I think about it like that. I just
think about how blessed we are to be passionate about
something and for it to come to life like that.
I mean, I don't take it for granted. Ever.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I will never be jaded to think, oh wow, yeah, no,
I'm still crying. I'm still like I can't believe this,
you know, I still post. I'm the biggest cheerleader. I'm
screaming louder that anybody want Blue and room me come out,
not as much for me, but for them. Like the
(41:27):
other night was the last show, and Oprah and Gail
were there, and Carrie White was and they were all
when my grandchildren came out, they all had their cameras
out because they were like, I can't believe you get
this excited. Because I get up to the front of
the riser and I get my and I'm like and
I'm screaming the whole time, and I'm like, I have
(41:49):
no shame, you know. I post twenty five videos and
then I get a call and if you all say,
I'll be like, Mama, can you not post so much?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Like come on now, know you ever going to stop hosting?
You don't mean to do you do it too much.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I'm never I never want to be jaded about it
or take benet or feel like, you know, it's still.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Really exciting them. It's so great. So I'm sure your
mom is for you because you know, to.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
See yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. And there's also a
great feeling when you see your parents be be that
excited for you, for you, you know, it's like that you really,
you know, no matter what, I know, we grow up
and there's things of like, you know, you do it
for yourself too, not always, but like there's nothing like
(42:39):
making your parents proud. It's nothing like it doesn't matter
how old you are, what kind of success, it's just
the best.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Feeling in the world.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
And and but to sort of start to wrap up,
I wonder, like what.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Are you excited about? Like what are you excited.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
About that, or dream about doing and you haven't done,
or like, what are you looking forward to?
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I think for me, my life is I'm so happy
with my life. I mean I am. I just sometimes
I have to pinch myself because I'm like, I get
to travel, I get to meet people, I mentor inner
city kids in LA. It's one of the best experiences
of my life because, you know, just affecting it sounds corny,
(43:28):
but it's the honest to God truth. Like I get
to go over to Kip Academy and meet with these
kids on Mondays and affect how their lives are going
to turn out and exposing them to the arts. And
they're going to college now. And I mean, what better
feeling could you have than to do that? And then
(43:50):
I get to travel.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And meet people and and you know, I have to
pinch myself because I'm a little country girl from Galveston,
you know, and from this little small town. I'm not
formally educated. I didn't go to college, but I've gotten
the writer best selling book. I mean, god, I'm just
I'm so happy with my life. I really am.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
And you know, I went through a divorce a couple
of years ago, and maybe it's been a year and
a half ago, and I finally, at seventy years old,
got it. And I talk about this in a book.
I got it that I would love to have love
in my life, but if I don't, I'm gonna be
just fine. And it's a shame that I had to
(44:33):
get me seventy to realize that I was enough by myself.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
And I don't spare.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Woman and be able to say that because I've always
been taught to be humble and not to celebrate yourself.
And let you know, at this point, I say that
all the time. I don't give a shit and I'm
just being authentically who I am and free and I
(44:59):
am us enjoying life is the best.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's the best. I love this somebody, you know there's
that's so liberating. Yeah, yeah, you've you've liberated yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
I'm kind of pissed because I'm likeing, why did I
have to get to these seventy That's such a beautiful
place to.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
End on and and and and I I I'm so
happy we had this conversation. Enjoy your time off, all right?
I will, and uh, I enjoy this best selling book.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
What a dream? All right? What this was fun k,
thank you so much, thank you for doing it. Our buck.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh I'm in love with Beyonce's mother. What an awesome
chat and inspiring conversation. And that last thing that she
just said really.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Really like I.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Think for everyone everyone listening and any woman and all
women listening.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
A really important thing to take with all of us.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna meditate on that
one for a little bit. But how wonderful was that?
What a life, what a what an amazing, amazing strong woman.
All Right, guys, I'll see you next time, probably with Sebroski.
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