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March 11, 2024 58 mins

Marie Osmond turned her talent into sibling revelry at a young age when she partnered with brother Donny to create the singing duo 'The Osmonds.' Growing up with eight brothers and a Hollywood spotlight shining bright, Marie is full of fun stories and she's sharing them with us.

Find out who she dated from another popular singing group, why she stayed in an unhappy marriage for so long, and how she reconnected with the love of her life! Plus, is retirement in the cards for a girl who has been singing since she was three? Or does Marie still have a 'high note' she wants to hit?

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationships and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling raivalry, No, no, sibling.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
You don't do that with your mouth.

Speaker 2 (00:30):

Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good, Ollie.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I feel like I'm going to really relate to this
woman because he grew up with eight brothers, yes, and
I grew up with three. I mean a little bit different,
but I know what it's like to be the only
girl with a bunch of boys.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
And in show business.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Marie Osmond, Yes, what is their famous song?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It takes two, It takes to it to make a
think of that right now. Their life is so fascinating
and when you think about them being child performers Vegas
teenage years for her, I mean, her story is why
not of.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
The people, the iconic celebrities that they probably were hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Out out, We're going to talk about all of those things.
But yes, and also growing up in the public eye
and that during that.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Time, and I just I and.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
She does so much.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
She's you know, she has eight kids of her own.
She does a million different things. She's quite the Renaissance woman.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
She looks fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So I'm also happy to get her alone and not
with the brothers because because it's a different perspective when
you have you know, And then maybe next time we'll
do don Well, we'll do a couple of the bros
or something. Hello.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Uh, oh, you're so nice. I think this is so
cool that you both are doing this.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh thanks, we love it.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I love you both. I think you're both so talented.
And I just I have watched your family forever. My
my brothers used to hang out with Kurt your yeah,
blame your paw. Is that what you call?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, And I was.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
A little girl and had the biggest crush on him
when he'd come over and play Monopoly and all these
games with my brothers. But they did that, They did Disney.
What did they do? It was called The Travels of
Jamie mcfeeder's.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Mean, well, I've been around for six decades, so I'm
like an oldie, so I have lots of you know,
you run into people's.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
We think we're a big family, but holy fuck, I
mean and you have eight I mean, the only girl. Yeah,
so it's kind of fun to have you without one
of your brothers.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
That is actually because we.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Can really delve into what that. I mean, I'm one
of three brothers.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Donnie's an asshole anyway, he didn't show up, you know
what I mean. Donnie didn't show up because he cares.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
What did you say? He has no soul? I agree
with you?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh my god? But eight brothers, I mean I thought
it was I always say.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
What's crazy? All the same parents? Yeah? Yeah, there were
nine kids in our family.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Wow, but it is different.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
At being the only girl.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
A girl who grew up with only brothers and no
sisters is a very specific female. Yes, and I can
usually pick them right out of it. I could talk
to them for twenty minutes and be like, you only
have brothers, yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Ones that are like chewing tobacco, spitting on the ground.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Whis is that me?

Speaker 2 (03:59):

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I've only I only dipped for like five seconds. Yeah,
I called. But you have all brothers, right, all brothers,
Yeah that I grew up with. I mean, I have sisters.
But right, we're just now starting to connect.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
But yeah, but I still and but there's something about
our girlfriends that are very important. And I call us
guy chicks, you know, lots of women can be very
high maintenance and moody, and I'm just not. I'm just
kind of like a guy. You just kind of happens
and you get over it and uh and you we're
we are a little bit different. You know.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
When you grew up with a bunch of boys, it's
like you have to get on with things really fast,
really fast. And then only until I got older, I
was like, oh, I really need girlfriends and I need
to like actually nurture this side of me that I
haven't been able to nurture as much with my male siblings.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
But I think we understand men pretty well. I mean
I I can I understand men pretty well. I've always
I've always gotten along with guys. Yeah. Thing is I
understand you are Oliver, Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I understand women. I understand women extremely well. I am
very I have a strong feminine side. I think it's
I do ask.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Aaron you are talking.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I know women. I'm sensitive, I'm extremely over emotional, I
have too much compassion. I can relate to the female
experience that I can relate to the female experience.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is not you are creating a because.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I had no father for a long time. All I
had was Mom. Okay, so she raised me, and then
you came in friends and her boyfriends who were you
know what I mean. I gravitated towards Mom. I understood
what it was like to live as a woman, and
I took that in. I imprinted that on me. That's
why I've been in relationships all my life, the most

insane true.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
But but there is truth in this, because you know,
I see a lot of psychology. I have eight children,
so you know, I find it fascinating. But but men
who are raised predominantly by their mothers, the mother in general.
This is a generalized statement that a lot of therapy
and people that I know have talked about that when

you have a home that's predominantly raised by women, they
girl mothers are tough on their daughters and they spoil
their sons, and daddies nurture their daughters, and that dads
are tough on their sons.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
And so I, all of us didn't really have a dad.
Mom was hard on me. He says. It's making a
lot of sense. You're you are the therapy session I
didn't know I needed.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
But I've been in relationships all my life. I've never
been a womanizer really no no, no, no, no no, meaning
I've I've enjoyed women in my life, but I've never
been a player ever been like a bad man to women.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Women difference being a player and like a not nice guy.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
But it's very fascinating because I think we have a
generation of women now that are very tough, yeah, and
men that like to play, you know, sit on the
couch and play Nintendo because their dads didn't kick him
in the butt and say get up. Now. My dad,
my dad was very you know people, Oh he was
so tough. No, it was that generation. And I think

because my mother was so loving. I had like the
greatest mom in the world. And but if I if
I were raised just by my mom, I would just
you know, be loved and whatever. But it was my
dad that taught me my work ethic. It was my
dad that taught me, and my mom taught me to
have you know, just show up and you know that
that that my career was my job and that this

was a life, and that they were separate, and that
the jobs will come and go. But who are you
as a person, And so you know, I was very blessed. Yeah,
women tend to make their daughters think that way, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I mean that's so important because it's such a young age.
You were in the spotlight and it was like, holy shit,
I mean I can go off the rails really quickly
unless you have a parent or parents who are who
are grounding you and putting it all into a reality perspective.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
When did you guys start in the business.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I mean she came out of the womb like performing.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Right because I was three when I started. But I think, yeah, yeah,
weren't you me?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
No, I mean our parents. I mean I was always
attracted to the arts, so anything I wanted to do
was dance, singing, performing.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Mom held her back on that. Mom, you're going to
go be a high school girl. You're going to do
and then when you're eighteen you can do it.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, and and and it was great because she let
me do a couple like one audition, and then I
would do things like someone if there was like a
table reading or something, people would go, can Katie come
read for this? The young girl on this table reading?
And I was like, let me read and and she'd
be like, okay, you can go do things like that.

But I was always chomping at the bit too, you know,
I mean if there was a talent show, I was
like signing up for everything and anything.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
She signed for like four spots in the talent different names,
How you do all of them? Like my name was
Love Lovelace.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You guys are definitely siblings.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's so funny, but it's true. But you know your
entire family was musical. Were your parents? How well, what
did your parents do?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
How did this happen?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
How did this all happen?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Right? Crazy? So it was not you know, you know
stage parents, you know you've seen them. Not my parents.
Not my parents. And my dad had three businesses. He
was in insurance, he ran the post office. He was
just he was a very busy guy. He had nine children,
you know, well at that time he had eight, and

my mom was My mom was an efficiency expert for
the War Department when they met, and she played saxophone.
My dad saying he had a beautiful voice, saying in
boys choral group growing up. But he had he was
he His father died when he was like four three
weeks old or somewhere around there, and so he was

constantly raised by stepfathers, and so he didn't really have family.
You know. It was he did not have an easy life.
It was very hard life for him, and so family
was everything to them. They met and that was all
they just wanted. My parents were so tight, they were
so loyal, so dedicated, and they really didn't want us
to be in show business. But it just kept happening,

you know, like the Disney thing. You know, my brothers,
my mother made their clothes, all their shirts, and so
as they grew out of him, she just had to
make one more and they kept matching. It was the
chief way to address them. And they were in Disney
and this group they called the Dapper Dance. They're still there.
They're different people, of course, but that's their name. Saw
them and said, you boys sing, and they sing. They

had this incredible harmony. My brothers had, like crazy I've
never met anybody who has that harmony ever children. And
they were like two, four, six, and eight years old
and they were like perfect harmony. And so Walt Disney
put them on a show called Disneyland After Dark, and
that's where Andy Williams's father saw them, and then they
did the Andy Williams Show and then the rest was

kind of history. So I was three, I was three
years old when I did Andy Show.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And where are You in the Pecking Order? By the way,
next to the last.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Of number eight, But he introduced me as the youngest
Osman brother.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
So you were three your first performance?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, did you know what the hell you were doing or.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
What was Honestly, you know, you guys know what it's like.
But see, there's a difference between having the parents that
are famous and being the kid. I was a sibling
where my brothers were famous, and you're like, well, do
you really like me for me or are you just
trying to get to me to see my brothers and
things like that? But I just thought every family did that. Yeah,
and you know you know how that works, Kate, right.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
She was like a lot of Kate's friends were only
friends with there to get to me.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Because of you.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, oh that's why we're not friends.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, that's why you know.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I dated Brett?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Right, Oh that's right, why uncle Brett?

Speaker 1 (12:38):

Speaker 2 (12:38):
How long did you date him?

Speaker 1 (12:39):

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I wasn't allowed to really date till I was sixteen,
but you know, we kind of liked each other. I
was like, for he'd come to Vegas and see the
shows and things, but I was too young. He's older
than me, right, how old is he?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
He was the youngest.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
And I remember when your your parents were dating, because
I was dating Brett.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, so you were doing mom and dad.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
We say dating. I was really he was so cute
and so lovely and we would like sneak into the
you know, the the halls of CBS and right time together.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
And like fool around.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
So that's so like it.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I was so young and but he, I mean everybody
was in love with the Hudson brothers and their show
was on while we were doing television, and we talked
a lot about how television at that time was so huge.
I mean there were like three stations and maybe an
independent and I mean I know that George Lucas used
our show to debut Star Wars because we're in seventeen

languages and all over the world. But I think your
brother they were so talented. But Brett and I would say,
you know, they're making you be comedians and they're going
to dumb down your your your music and the right
television was tough back then.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, there's such talented there's such talented musicians.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Actually back together again, I'm going to go on the road.
I mean, the Hudson Brothers are going to do a
little many tour.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, so let's try. So you are three years old,
you're number eight, start growing up in this what's the
age difference?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
The youngest is how we're.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
All two years apart, and then my youngest brother's three
years apart.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay, So did you how I mean, did you feel
just terribly lonely or were you did you feel different
than your brothers or did you feel like were there
sort of alliances like did certain people get along better
than others?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Okay, so I can tell you were raised around brothers
because out of all the years of being interviewed and i' mean,
like I said, my sixth decade of a female who
has worked consistently my whole life every year, never been
asked that question. Really, yeah, so I can so that
is that that now you? Because I was curious about

you because of this. But yes, it's lonely, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (14:58):

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah? And yes there are groups and because my brothers
were a group and they performed together, I was the
sibling that was different always, and I did work with Donnie,
you know, we worked on that on the Donni Mari
show for a few years, and we did a talk
show for a year, and then we went to Vegas
and that was like eleven year run. But I had

my family. We never saw each other except on stage
because you know, he'd fly home to you. I lived
in Vegas and so, but it is it's different. It's
a different relationship when you're the only girl. Yeah, they
really have a lot of girlfriends, but the ones I
have are very special to me.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
When you're saying it was lonely and were there groups?
Did were you closer with one with one of your
brothers than the other.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I've said, my brother Wayne is my sister, you know,
so what I would always go to to talk about
themes or whatever. He's just lovely, very very smart. He
the three, my three older brothers wrote a lot of
their hit records. And Wayne I would liken him to
like probably the John Lennon. He was the more serious.

He was the amazing lyricist. And then and then Alan
and Merrill wrote a lot of their hits. Uh, they
were the more jovial, Paul McCartney ish kind of person.
I use that only because, uh, my brothers were very
very popular. I mean I remember once we were in
London and Paul the door knocked and answered it. It was
Paul McCartney, goes, I'm so sorry to bother you, but

could I get your autographs from my daughter? And I'm like, honey,
you can have anything you want, like Glenwood, come see
the shows. But but my brothers, because of the television
show Donny Ray, their music got shoved aside, and but
they were they were incredible.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean, was there a resentment because of that?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
No? No, my brothers have always been great. We've always
been a family. Yeah and yeah, and we were very
supportive of each other.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
So what do you feel like your sort of influences
for the brothers, Like, how do they see you?

Speaker 2 (17:13):

Speaker 1 (17:13):
What was your perception of how they see you?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, I think they're very proud of me, you know,
I do. I think they're very proud of me. But
I always for example, I chose country music not only
because I loved that women, because remember I came from
that era where it was really tough for women in
the business and I didn't want a three year career,
and so I was probably a little more analytical. But
I realized that you know, Loretta Lynn, who I knew

and people like that they could have children and families
and still have huge careers and sing songs and write
music and do all this stuff. And so I really
like country for that reason, and my voice lent towards it.
But over the years, I mean, like my current album,
I mean, I'm sixty four and it debuted number one
on Billboard and I'm like, shut up, I'm too old

of this. But it's all it's like opera legit soprano
and all that. So having a long career has been
such a gift because I have been able to do
lots of different styles, and I sing in my show
that I do. I don't do a lot of them anymore,
but when I do, I work with big symphonies or orchestras,
or if I do my solo show, but I do

probably what seven different styles of music in it, and
so it's really fun. It keeps life interesting, which I
love what you do because you can always be somebody
else or do something or whatever. You see that and
a lot of entertainers don't see that where you can
be very diverse, and you are, and I'm I'm this
is a compliment to you, because I see people get
stuck in boxes and you sing and you do this,

and you've pushed yourself in your comedic timing is fantastic
and all of this, and you know, I love that
because you don't have to be stuck. I mean, I
was a dull sculptor for twenty five years. I had
one of the biggest doll companies, and I started children
I don't know if you know this, but like I
started Children's Miraical Network, and you know, we've raised over
nine billion dollars for children. One hundred percent of it

goes to kids. You can't get stuck in the minutia
of one thing. You have to keep giving and going
and doing and having all these different passions. If you
go to my Instagram, I worked with the best makeup
people on the planet, and I'm putting a number into
the show. I had it in Vegas for a little.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
While because it's just in your blood. Do you ever chill?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Do I chill? Yeah, I'm going out to ride my
motorcycle with my husband and after this.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So you are, But that's an activity. Do you ever
like just straight up chill, sit down, put your feet up.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah. I don't know though, because you know, either I'm
making something.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Or right doing something? Yeah, what kind of motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I can chill enough when I'm in the graves.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
So I like to do. I like to do. I'm
a do er too. Although I'd like to watch, I
like to watch.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I like to watch it. I like to watch TV.
I like to watch certain shows. Yeah, I enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
What was happening with the Osmond's at that time when
the older ones started getting older? Was there breaking off
that happened? And was that problematic? Were there arguments happening?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, you can't be a sibling and not argue, right,
And my dad always said, if you can get along
with your siblings, you can get along with anybody. And
I believe that because you can choose your friends, you
sure can't pick your sibling, right. And so we learned
to get along. We learned to respect each other's differences.

But it's different when you're the only girl. You know.
I was a watcher. Was I observed? And so I
don't drink, I don't smoke, but and I know it's
a religious thing for me, but before as a kid,
it's more like I really chose it. Because so many
of my friends aren't here anymore. They've all died or
they're wasted or whatever, and so much talent. I would

see all this talent just go down the drain. And
I was maybe a little more analytical as a kid,
and so I knew if I went to the parties
that I would eventually partake and get involved. I mean,
I just knew it because I had a rough childhood.
I was I was abused backstage and realized the safest
place was on stage, and so you know there. I

was the one that I kept a lot of secrets,
and I've talked about it in books, and I don't
I don't download dirt. I don't believe in sharing dirty
laundry unless it benefits somebody else. But I have I
saw a lot of the sides of life, and so
I just kind of structured my life to try to
pick choices that were sensible. I guess does that mean

that I didn't make mistakes. Of course, I've made mistakes.
I've made many mistakes.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Did you see and witness all these things when you
were young? When you were young, you were witnessing all
of these things.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh yeah, I mean, I mean, you guys, it was crazy.
We I don't think I realized how big the show
was back then. But yeah, we were with everybody. I
mean you I worked with it. Lucill Ball taught me lighting.
She taught me how to cheat at scrabble. I mean,
Sammy Davis Junior taught me to walk on a stage.
You know. Elvis was called my mother constantly because she
was she looked like his mom, but she would talk

to him like a son. And so we had all
these people coming in and out, and just like you,
I'm sure you know all these people that are coming out,
but I watched. I watched, and I really loved what
I did, and I didn't want to mess it up,
you know what I mean. I just wanted to keep
doing what I loved. And you know, I've been so blessed,

just incredibly blessed. I still am in awe that I'm
able to, you know, perform and do things I love.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's funny you say that. It's like I can't help
but reflect on my own experiences. Like I remember being
younger and really wanting to get into my career, and
like my friends would go out and party or like
show up to this certain like oh we got to
go to this party, or we got to go do
this and I never wanted to go. I never wanted

to really be a part of it. I was so
specific about where because it was so it was so
important to me to maintain some I mean mystery, I guess,
or just some self respect, like I didn't want to
be seen as like a girl or and because I

cared so much about what I loved to do.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
And I know, hanging, I know, hanging with a lot
of men not brothers, yes, but a lot of their
friends and hanging around. I just tung around a lot
of men. I heard how they would talk, and I
never wanted to be part of that talk.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, it's so interesting. I'm the same. I had the
same thing where I was like, I never wanted to
be a notch on somebody's belt.

Speaker 3 (23:48):

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I was very particular about who I would hang out with.
But and then deep down, like when my friends would be,
you know, dancing on tables, I was like, oh god,
I'd give anything to be on that table. Like I
remember going to Vegas one time my girlfriends and they
were all on like stripper polls, and I was like,
oh god, I wish I could just whip myself around that.
And you know, right now, but I did it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):

Speaker 3 (24:13):
You would have been great that, you know, we would
have been great at it. But I didn't want that,
and and so you know, but but what I so,
I would go home and I'd read and i'd study,
and i'd learn, and i'd push. I mean I when
I worked for Rogers and Hammerstein and I was there,
you know, I was there girl for a while, and
I did like king and I a Broadway in a
bunch of sound of music and all that I couldn't sing,

you know, the heels are alive in country music. So
I learned legit soprano. And then the lady who taught
me that and my British accent and everything, she said, honey,
you can sing opera, and I went shut up, you know.
And so I spent twenty twenty years learning to sing
opera before I ever put it out on an album.
And the one reason I did it is I love

to push myself, you know what, I ever use it. No,
I never thought I would be in my show. It's
so fun. I see paper Roses, which I recorded when
I was twelve years old. It was my first number
one record. And then I'll sing Nessum dorma right next
to it, and it's so fun to see people's eyeballs go,
wait a minute, I thought she just said country music,
and so it was just really fun to shop, you know,

just to yeah. And that's what it is, is you
spend time being diverse, you know, and instead of being
out That's what I saw as I saw people wasting
their time, and I didn't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
The Dining Marie Show, right, how long did that last?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Like four years?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Four years?

Speaker 3 (25:38):
But it was but there was no show quite like it.
It was variety, Like you know, they say, okay, so
like this week you're gonna tap dance on a giant
typewriter to emulate the movies from the nineteen forties, and
then you're going to be you know, an alphabet and
jump into a bowl of gigantic soup. And you know,
it was just insane what we did. But I was
so young that I just went, oh, okay, okay, and

you did it.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Do you think that because you became such a the
iconic kind of pairing out of all of the siblings,
you guys really kind of became a much more much
more known together that that created. Did that create any rifts?

Speaker 2 (26:28):

Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, and yes, because that's when my brothers kind of
went into the production end of things and they kind
of let their music slide. And I'm sure that there
was a piece of them because they wrote like the
first concept albums, like there was an album called The
Plan and Crazy Horses, And I've heard people in their
thirties and forties now they'll go back and say, man,

they were really good. And it makes my brothers feel
good because their music was very important to them. But Donnie, See,
so what happened is Donnie started losing his notes and
so I would go in and sing them on the
out records, and one of the sexts came in and said,
my goodness, she can sing. And so that's how I
went to Nashville and I started having my country hits.

Donnie separated from the brothers and started having his pop,
his pop hits, and that's where the thing came. A
little bit country, a little bit rock and roll came
from because we both came from different musical styles. And
also there were no brothers sisters on TV. It was
a very unique relationship.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
You know, there's not yeah, but you don't want to
do it talk show. We'd make millions, if not.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Billions, not about what you made. God, damn it.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
You have a great time.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
You had funny siblings. There's not sibling relationships out there.
It's a very unique relationship.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's such a unique it's the best. So it's so
important too. And let's talk about that. You grew is
nine siblings and then you just decide to have eight children.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I really didn't. God had a lot to do with that.
I really didn't.

Speaker 2 (28:11):

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I couldn't have children very well. And I remember one
day one of my I can't remember which ones are adopted,
but I do have some that are adopted. But she
came in and she was six years old, and she said,
I know I God made it so you couldn't have children.
And I said, but she said babies. And I said why.
She says, because you read idiots. And she had just
tend to fight. Oh, my brother, but my children. So

what's really cool?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's deeply funny.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's an amazing joke.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah funny. But my kids are so different. I mean,
I just have I have one of everything. I really do.
I could not have more diverse children. And I love
it because they are so in love with each other.
And they are so protective of each other and they
are so like if one of them struggles, man, they're
all there, and it just it's such a It's like

the greatest thing a mom can have is to know
that that you leave kids that are good people and
that respect each other and get back to society. I mean,
like I said, they're all very unique and they're really different.
But I've learned so much in being age forty to

twenty one.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Okay, And did you take anything from being raised in
a big family, Like what are the things that you
feel like you took on? And was like, I loved
the way my mom and dad did this for us,
And what are the things that you're like, absolutely not,
we're breaking that site.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, well I think my parents were perfect. Were they perfect? No?
But I think they were perfect. I don't know if
anybody's perfect, but for me, I made a lot of
mistakes and and I know, being the performer, it's great
to be busy, but when you bring your kids, your

kids can't just sit around do nothing while you're working.
But I it was either that or leave them home,
and I wouldn't leave them home. And I've told my
children that that there was no option for me. They
were not going to stay home. I didn't have them
to have somebody else raise them. And so they they've
all I've got, like my oldest it is incredibly talented

conceeing my daughter, you know. But I said, I really
didn't want them to be in jow business. I would
rather them have a life, and they wanted a life
where there they could go home and be with their
families and their kids and have dinner and those kinds
of things, because it's not an easy world. I mean,
I look at you guys, it's not easy to have
parents that are entertainers. I'm sorry, but I know from

having children.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
That it's the very it's very challenging.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
It is.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
None of them gravitated towards the business at all. None
of them wanted to be in it.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, my son, but he is a thinker like me,
And he said, Mom, I don't really think I want
to worry about my next job before this one's done,
because you know, you always have to keep working ahead.
And I mean I'm always like two or three years
ahead planning things because not everything turns out and you
want to have something exciting. And he goes, I and

My son, by the way, is forty. He's going to
be retired in two years. He's doing great. He's very successful.
He has four children and he loves being able to
go home and be with his kids at night, you know.
And my other daughter has two children. My other daughter
has three children. So I have nine grandchildren and it's

the best.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I do great, And that's so fun. That's the best.
I mean, you have nine grandchildren and you're.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I'm sixty. Yeah, I'm sixty four. I have no problems
with that.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's so great. If nine grand at sixty four is
like the best, I feel like that's going to be
me with riders.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Wow. So you were young when you had your first.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I was twenty three. Yeah, when I had my first. Guys, like,
you know what it's like the other day, my grandson
came up to me and he goes, he goes, Grandma,
I think you're famous. Are you famous? And I said,
only because I'm your grandma, and he goes, oh, okay,
well you sing with Nana and my mom and dad
and my baptist Benada. So that's like him. And then
my other grandson, who's my oldest, he said, he sent

me a video I'm going to put on my soci
he goes Alexa, who's Marie Osma's most famous grandson, and
it named him and he's like you. They they all
know me different, you know, as different. But I'm Grandma.
That's what I want to be. I just want to
be Grandma.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Has has God been in your life since the beginning?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Or yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
He has through your family and all your brothers and right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
They're all they're all pretty Yeah, they're all very very
strong faith, you know. But I think that my to
been part of my desire to know things young is
because I'm not the kind of person that would say, oh, yeah,
you know, I'm I'm a member of this religion because
my mom and dad are. That's so not me, you know.

I had to know for myself. So I've studied multiple
religions and you know, beliefs and things like that. So
it's but I feel like it's important to have a
higher source to keep you in check, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
But that's just all of your children are. Do all
of your children follow the same as religious as the
family sort of carried out?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
No, I have, Like I said, I have eight of
the most diverse souls on the planet, and I could
tell you great stories of how they came to me,
believe me. And then and then there are times where
you know, they struggle with attachment disorders and all kinds
of things, and I've studied psychology and trying to help
and understand how they feel. And uh, there was a
period of time where I went to my mom. I

think that was about nine years old, and I did
not you know, how your body changes, and I just
did not look like my brothers at all. And I
went to my mom and I said, Mom, and I
adopted and she laughed and walked away. Well, I took
that as I was adopted, and I really I thought,
for like a year I was adopted. I didn't care
ask any more questions. And I told my kids that

are I said, you know, I know how you understand.
I believe I have an understanding with how you feel.
So I've never had any weirdness about that with them.
If they you know, if they want to meet their
biological I wait till they're eighteen so they're emotionally can
handle it, because it's not always good, you know. But
I've said to them, I said, you know, if you
have issues with me being your mom, get over it
because you chose me, and they you know I'm mom.

They they love me, And I just couldn't love my kids,
all of them. They're all my They're just I don't
divide them up. They're just amazing children. So my story
is not always happy. But you know, people get involved
in relationships. Broke up my first marriage, I remarried, not
a great marriage twenty years. Finally, you know, you know

it's yeah, you know it's good to leave. Uh well,
I didn't want to have my children have another divorce.
Do you know what I'm saying. I didn't want You understand,
as a parent, you don't want that for your child.
But when your children come to you and say please leave,
I'm like, yes I will. And I swore i'd never
get married again. I swore and because and I was

the only financial supporter of my children, so you know,
I had to work. And anyway, I went to Vegas
because of my oldest ran into my first husband and
we remarried.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Oh wow, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, yeah, you remarried your first husband.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
And love of my life, best step Well, yeah, I'll
never marry, but that's okay.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I don't want to. I don't want to get too personal,
but like you broke up why the first time?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
A lot there were a lot of reasons, and it's
it's not a nice business. You know. I'm not a person.
I'm not that I could write the most interesting book
on the planet about the people I've worked with and
everything else. I never will because I don't believe in that.
And I know you could.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, I sometimes like if I have I actually wrote
a book about how from from day one, I mean,
you know, or I'd say, let's say my first memories.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, all the way.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I mean, I can't imagine what that must be like
for you.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Oh God, but you got that too.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
You have that. You know, you're still so young. I mean,
you have years and years and years to collect, collect even.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
More, even more stories. It's like if I was I'm
with you, though I don't believe in this. I don't know.
Maybe it's also because I just really believe in putting
positive things out in the world. I agree with you
and like pushing those things. And I also feel that,

you know, there are circumstances that do happen to you.
But there's a lot of things that I could share
that I am no victim too that I had that
I found myself in those circumstances as well.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
So many stories, and it's like people nowadays are so
craving to find fault, and I just think that's a
sad scenario for our society because I think the most, hey,
we can find bad about anybody, if you want to
dig deep enough, you can always But why, what is
the point? And what a waste of life and what
a waste of trying to time is a waste of

our life.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I've been over the last twenty years like just stealing
really personal items from my family and really like really
compromising pick sures and ships that I can sell for
a lot of money. Things go wrong, safe filled with things.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
He's just projecting because he knows we actually have those
of him, but.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
They're not going to sell because I put them out
there for free.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh my god, I'm doing this thing. It's like an
advertising thing. I won't I won't name who I'm doing
it with, but I put this this thing together and
in it, Oliver sort of walked away naked. He loves
to be naked. It's very funny. And it was so
funny in this advertisement, and and they came back there like, look,
we we love your brother, but you gotta take out, Yeah, Oliver,

if he just always gets cut.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Out, that's ridiculous. So now it's just the first part.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, it's okay. I guess that there are people in
this in the world who've had these amazing lines, who
experience and seem so much like talking to you right now.
I just I kind of want to go back into
the story of the girl in Vegas who was Elvis
was calling her dad and you know, Sammy Davis was teacher,

you know what I mean. It's just how old were
you then?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I was a teenager.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Imagining a teenager in Vegas that in that era and
being it like the you know, you.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Know you you saw the movie on Elvis, right, the
one and Tom Hanks was, Yeah, it was actually quite accurate.
Not so much the Colonel, but that was a very
accurate betrayal because she he would call my mom because
we played the same hotel when he wasn't there, and
that she would call him in that room. He would
sit up there that we stayed in that suite as well,

and it was so dark and lonely, and everything was
there that you need except maybe real people and that
was kind of that era. And one of the things
I think that was very changing from him was that
he said, do not let management do to you speaking
to us as kids and entertainers do to you. What

the Colonel did to me, and that was isolate myself
from your fans. And I think because of that, I
go out of my way. Like when we were in
Vegas for eleven years performing, Donnie likes to go fast
and go home right me sometimes I would stay for
hours and I would always just say, I believe in

female intuition and I believe every woman has it. My
mother was like creepy with it and now and then
my children say that I'm creepy with it. Like they'd
be ready to do something bad at a party and
I go, Hi, how are you doing? What are you doing?
And they'd be like, Mom, we hate you and so
but you knew. I did. I knew, just like my mom.

But she told me, we have It's It's like anything,
if you listen, the more you listen, the more you'll
feel these feelings and follow them. And so that that's
one of those things that I watched and I learned
from my mother and how and there were times, you
know that should be talking to him and I kind
of walk by the door and should just shut it.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, but what my mom said, my mom said, people
say women's I have the women's women's intuition, and my mom,
I think, said I have beyond women's right. I know
to b w I that's beyond women's intuition. It's like,
that's more than you know.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
But it's a gift that we have, and it is
so real and the more you listen to it, the
more it'll astound you.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So you sit with your fans and for hours.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Hours, And there was this one time I was so sick.
I've been through some health things and I would like
vomit every show and finally I just you know, they
had to get to the source of it. But I
was so sick this one and I remember it was like, no,
you're going down to the meet and greet, And I
went down. I knew it was going to be at
least an hour and a half to three hours, and
it was really interesting, and not that there weren't lovely people.

There were, but there was nothing like life changing until
next to the last person after three hours, and she
threw her arms around me, and said, I lost my
son six days ago from suicide. I lost a child
from suicide. And she said, I didn't see your show.

I flew in just for the meet and greet, and
I have to fly right back because I have to
go back to work. But I just nobody understands, and
I know you do. If I had not gone, that
whole trip would have been in vain for her. So
I sat and talked with her for a couple of
hours after we were up to two.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
But that's that intuition you say that you know, I
unfortunately have a very good friend who'd also lost jus
recently child to suicide. And what is sort of the
I know this is maybe it feels like a silly question,
but as someone who's you know, supporting us my girlfriend

right now, what do you think is the first thing
that when you're going through that grieving process is important
to tell someone that you know and love that's going
through it, Like what was the what was the best
support system you had, and how did that what did
that look like during that time? Like if someone could

have given you some insight.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, I think so. One of the things that happened
to me is I guess that the hotel told people
not to say anything to me. Well after, so I
got a lot of heat from people because I went
back to work two weeks later, and you know, people
just love to criticize. And I'm like, you don't understand.
I have seven more children that need to keep living

and because they were the siblings would devastated by it,
let alone with the parent. But so I went back
to work and it was so blooe heard. I can't
even tell you. It was just awful. And so I
I was in this meet and greet and this woman
came up to me and I guess that he had

been gone about three almost a month, and she goes,
I know, we're not supposed to say anything to you,
but I lost my son and I said, who told
you you could? And that's when I found out And
I said to her, I said, so does it ever
get easier? And she said no, and I said, okay,
I can live with that. That's she says, But over

time God will give you longer respites and things will
happen that will bring you peace. But initially it is
just the most awful. You just want to go back
to sleep and wake up from a bad dream. But
one of the greatest things that I was told by
a sibling who sibling was to give all of my

children and I got myself one too, and write to
them and write things you remember and right if you're angry,
and right, if you're sad, and right if and then
write everything you can because you'll forget. And they're wonderful
journals to look back on, you know, just to and
you can get out things on paper that you can't say.
Sometimes as as the person who has lost so I

would get them a journal and just say, if you're hurting,
must talk. It's you know, it's okay, it's Is it
ever going to get better? You're never You're never going
to get over it, but there will be respites, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I've noticed my friend saying to me that, like when
she thinks that, I think a lot of people think
when someone's going through that, like I don't know what
to say. Should I call them, do I connect with them?
What do I say? And then you know, that becomes
this thing that they say, which is like I don't
know what to say, I have no words.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
And you don't have to say anything, you just be there.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
And I think that that was what you know, she
said to me, Which is the support and just people
even just saying, you know, I love you so much
and I'm here and I love you, And that's really.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
That's that's that's the most powerful, is that people are
afraid to talk to you and and just to say
I'm not afraid of this. This must be the worst.
I can't even imagine the worst ever.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
And that mean and not having that support is so meaningful.
And I can see it in my friend right now.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I think the loss of anybody that we love is horrible.
I mean, I remember when I lost my mom. My
brothers were just worthless, and so I had to do everything,
and so I never really got to grieve, and I
was taking care of my children and everything else. Well,
it hit me a year she passed away on Mother's
Day and it was a year to that date. I

was driving up the canyon. I was in Utah, and
I just start sobbing, and I think that's what I do,
is I get in the car and I just drive.
You know, that's kind of my way to deal with things.
And all of a sudden, I felt her. I swear
to you, guys, I felt her. Saint Marie turn the
car around and go to Nordstrom. And I was like,
oh my gosh, I am massively dysfunctional. And so so

I went up the canyon a little further. It was like,
turn this car around and go to Nordstrom. And I
was like fine, and so I turned the car and
I went down to the mall, walked into Northstroum and like, okay,
now what but this is this intuitive thing, you know,
and it was like go up the escalator, and I
felt prompted, long story short, felt prompted to go into
this this women's department that I would never shop in.

And I turned around and there was a skirt there
with hundreds of little butterflies. Well that was symbolic, and
my mother always talked about butterflies meaning the angels are
with you. And I realized that when I was going
through really difficult things as a young girl, my mom
would take me shopping. We wouldn't necessarily buy anything, but

we would shop and always get ice cream after. And
so I realized that my mom intuitively, spiritually was taking
me shopping. So I bought the skirt and I took
the skirt out for ice cream, and it was so
lovely and if you look for those things in grief,

you'll find them, you really will, those little, tiny, little
tender mercies.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, that's good advice.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Let's do we tak usually like a little rapid fire. Okay, coffee,
your tea.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I don't drink either.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Whoa, no caffeine?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
No, well no, I do. I take caffeine, but I
take if I take it, So I have one. My
friend is one of the top brain surgeons in the world,
and he said, if you can, if you need the caffeine,
just do the pill half of a pill, because you
don't need all the other chemicals and all the other
things it does to your stomach. So like tea is
like tannic acid, and it makes it so you don't

absorb nutrients. And coffee is terrible for your terrible for
your stomach, but it's very good for a colonic.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah coffee. Wait a minute, what do you have advice?
Any vice? Yeah? It is literally.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
All right?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Do you have any vice at all? Like mine is
drinking smoking? We make and we can go on.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Do you have advice? I? I like, I have just
had to be very careful with my health and so
I'm pretty but I do like ice. Cream. I mean,
if I could eat ice cream every day, I would
eat it ice.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
So like it's a guilty thing ice cream. No, No,
well it is. It is if it's something anything is
not good for you that makes you feel good.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Right, Who was your first rush, real crush in real.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Life and then celebrity after that? I want to know
who you especially growing up with? Who my uncle bred
uncle Brett.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Well, he was one of my young crushes. Yeah, Andy Gibb.
We he was. We were close. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And he was hot.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah he was. He was amazing. Collvision loved him. He
we were, we were very close.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, there's more to that story, but.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
A lot of tells she wiped her, a lot of tells.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Okay, so if you could sort of is really going
to be hard, But if you could just describe your
sibling group in one word or two words, what would
that be? First thing?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
You mean my brothers? Yeah, they are interlinked.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I think there's a hyphen in there. Yeah, doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
They grew up together and they'll all die together. Do
you know what I'm saying? They're just cur.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I love that. That's amazing. I mean you typically you
would think, oh, no, this person hates this person. These
two are more.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
They have a family group text and they just they
all they love each other.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That's so great.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Who responds the least in the family group text?

Speaker 3 (51:46):

Speaker 1 (51:48):
And who is like always sending things on the family group?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah? Who's like you gotta stay Alan?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
And Merrill?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Who's the funniest Wayne?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Who is the one that you would go to if
you were Who would be your first phone call if
you were in jail?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I would say in jail, I would say Wayne? Well,
Wayne would know what to do. Meryl, okay much?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Brother is most likely to be naked?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Don't you think all men like to be naked?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
True? What is that? It's not even like penises aren't
even that attractive.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I just go backside, you.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Like they don't care.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Maybe that's why I don't go full frontal.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Give you a couple more years.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
No, no, no, I can't do that yet.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Okay, okay, So if you could have any superpower, what
would oh?

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I want to know that for you and you superpower?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Mm hmmm, I mean I fly.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
This change is like daily for me I.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Had because incredible it would change for me constantly to
what well, I'm kind of so this year, because you're
under contract, you can't break an army case, so you're
always like being careful this year, I said, and actually
started last year, but I am terrified of heights. So
I jumped out of an airplane. I climbed Mount Sinai,

And yeah, I've just been doing all these fun, insane things.
I climbed pyramids, I went to Iceland. I mean, I
just didn't. So the superpower is just not to be
afraid of any I'm just.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Your mine is to be to be truly fearless.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Like that's really That's what I would say, is just
to just go for it. And I'm going to Easu
Falls next and just I just want to have fun.
You know, I breathed my children.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You've done so many things. Sucks. I haven't done anything.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That's not true.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I mean it's incredible the things that you've done and
on and seeing and this desire it is, but it's
a desire for you to conquer fears and you know,
constantly moving forward.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
See, this is why we should never compare ourselves, because
you forget, I'm sixty four and I've had a lifetime
of trying things, and so it just it just accumulates,
so by the time you're sixty four, you just keep
doing things and learning things. I mean, I never thought
i'd have my ports I have a crazy portfolio, do
you know? And you never think of that when you're

twenty or thirty or forty, You just do, you know, So.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Don't any times coming like late sixties, seventies, it's all
going to congeal.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Okay, So then let's do the last question, which I'm
just coming up with off the top of my liafe
because of you're what you're saying, which is you're doing
all these things, but what is it that you are
most looking forward to doing this year? Is what is
the number one thing?

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, now that the kids are all out of the
house and they're all doing great, and they're all financially
good on their own, I just want to be with
my husband.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
But you've been with them for so long, not not enough.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Just the two of us, we really like each other.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, wow, would you say he's your best friend?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yes? But you know, here, here's probably the reason why
seventeen of my friends from age fifty five to sixty
five just lost their spouses crazy weird ways, like within
a day.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Did you say, seventeen seventeen.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Of my friends what and when you and they were
just at that age where their kids were moving out
and they were going to start living their lives. And
I went, no, I'm going to start living my life.
Why we're healthy and why we can have fun together nice.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
That's so many people.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Because he's the love of my life, and he's the reason.
You know, I don't want to go through life alone.
I want someone to document and to be a pardon
to know me. He knows me. He loves me for me,
not for who I am. And I know he's proud
of the things I've done, but that's not why we
love each other. You know, he's waving goodbye to me.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
He's like, he's like, goodbye, I'm going on my motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I'll see in a minute.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
One more question than we're done. Are you ever going
to retire?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
I I don't know that I could. I don't feel
like I need to prove anything. Like I guess I
can choose what I want to do. But I might
be that old lady on Broadway that does the funny role.
You know what I mean. I love humor and I'm
a weird animal. You know, people like me don't exist

much anymore, So I don't know, you know, I mean
I was Betty White was like a second mom to me,
and Clorus Leechman and all these people. So you know,
I love I love older women that and I can sing,
and I can dance, I can do whatever. So you know,
maybe Broadway, roll down the maybe a part in a
film or something. I don't know, but I don't know.

I never say never. Yeah, honestly, I was with you
so forward to this because you have a perspective that
a lot of siblings don't have, with your parents and
and everything that you've been through and being in the business.
And like I said, there's there's not very many people
that you can go I get you. I understand I
you know, I get you from this point of view.

And so this has been like one of the most
fun interviews I've done.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Have so much.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
What I have a Harley, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Don't you do? My gosh. All right, I have a.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Rest of your day.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Hopefully we'll see you down the road.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
And absolutely all right, all right you guys, thank you
and congratulations on your podcast. It's really fun.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Okay, bye bye ah
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