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August 12, 2024 68 mins

The stars of NBC's Emmy-Winning hit 'This is Us' join Kate and Oliver for a sibling reunion years after the finale.
Find out what happened on the show that prepared Mandy Moore for motherhood? Were there behind the scenes feuds between this famous TV family?
And wait until you hear the shocking revelation from Oliver about his ties to the show, and his major regret!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling raivalry.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Vely,
that's good. Oliver Hudson. I'm excited for this episode because

(00:42):
I have worked with one of these people that we're
talking very intimately. Yes, and I was a fan of
this show.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, I honestly had never seen it. But I have
a story to tell. Okay, I'm gonna tell now.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I know this story.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay, story to tell. Probably I'm probably gonna tell it
right off the bat, just to let everyone understand what
they missed out on.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
No, I think you just gave the story, you know,
it's not really We have cast members of This Is Us.
They have a new podcast called That Was That Was
That Was Us. It's where they sort of rewatch it
the rewatch and talk about, which I think would be
actually really interesting for people who love that show because
there's so much stuff, you know, and they really just

(01:32):
loved each other. So it's Mandy Moore, it's Chris Sullivan
who plays the brother in law, and he has such
an amazing storyline. I just loved him. I mean, Mandy
obviously got to work with everybody. He had an amazing
Storylan and Sterling K Brown who everyone knows one a.
I mean, just just incredible. And Sterling will be joining us.

(01:54):
They're like, wait, should we just.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Bring them in? Let's go theywhere they need their way,
they need to hear something from me.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
This is so much fun. I'm so happy you guys
could join us.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Thank you for having us.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know, I'm surprised you guys agreed to do this.
I don't know. Oh you guys are you guys are
busy schedules, You guys are big time, all three of
you at the same time. I mean, it's just seemed
to work out, you know, stupendously. I didn't think this
would happen so good.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Actually, you guys, the last time I saw Sterling, we
were both shooting. You were shooting, that's right, and we
were shooting at the same time on the same lot.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
They're on the lot doing a truth be told. Uh huh, And.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
You guys were shooting. What season it was the last season.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wasn't it? It may have been the last season before
we get started. Are you guys working right now? I
know you've won awards, Sterling. I anyone's wonted Wars and ship,
but it's everyone working right now?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Who's working? Having baby?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Nowhere no working?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Are we all unemployed? Sterling's employed.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
I'm recently amongst the cyclically unemployed. I just finished doing
reshoots on something in no Scotia, so now we're just
to post on that.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
So right now I'm chilling.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
I've recently been re employed, but I don't start working
until the end of October.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
So so Mandy has a great excuse. She's creating life. Sterling.
Even towards Chris, you're going back to work. I haven't
worked in almost two fucking years.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Okay, yeah, I mean this is why we had you on.
We all just needs to talk about.

Speaker 8 (03:38):
Anyone has a case.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Here's the thing, I'm more talented than than the industry
sort of gives me credit for it. I've been around
for twenty five years. I've been on my own TV
shows I've started and then you know, I'm always working.
I've created a life for myself. I am you.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Should you should ask them to invest and invest in meating.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
Yeah, are you training to tell me that your company
is worth one point five million.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Dollars, right, that's my evaluation one five. It's not a
bad idea.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
We'll raise it up. I got. I'll be on the lookout,
but I say anything.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Okay, good. Well, actually this segues into a great story
as to probably why I don't work as much as
I do. So I read the script for This is Us.
It's fucking amazing. You know, it's hard to read good scripts.
I read it. I was like, holy ship, this is great.
And it was early on in pilot season. I remember

(04:40):
it was like October or something. I was like, wow,
this is and it was like it was almost and
I was like, but I'm the October and I was like,
oh my god, this is so good. And I went
in and I read and it went well. And I
am a huge fisherman, big time. I own my own boat.
I go on these ten day big fishing trips. And
I had I had a ten day trip plan to
go catch big big tuna in Mexico. You leave out

(05:02):
of San Diego and you're gone for ten days.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So I get the call that I am going to
Chemistry read with Mandy Moore and I'm like, okay, cool, great.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I was like when is this? When when is it?
And they're like, oh, it's like November third or whatever.
And I was like, oh shit. I said to my agent,
I'm like, I can't do that, and he's like, what
do you mean, what do you fuck are you talking about.
I said, well, I have a fishing trip planned and
it's it's a big one, and I this is what
I have my passion and he's like, you're joking, right, okay,

(05:36):
so this with Mandy Moore and no, no, no, I'm like, no, no, no,
I'm serious, like this is what I love. And so
I'm literally on the boat. I'm on the boat. I
remember they were baiting ups, begetting bait on the boat
and I'm on the phone with my agent being like,
I'm on the boat, dude. He goes, you're on the boat.

(05:57):
He's like, and they made a testing deal even without
me chemistry reading and I was like, you know. And
then of course I fished and I can't. By the way,
I do catch a two hundred and seventy one pounds
yellow fant tuna, which was my best shiver. And I
get back and of course, you know, it's the biggest
show on television, and I'm like, there you go. Not

(06:21):
to say I would have gotten the job, you know
what I mean, But I missed the opportunity because I
want to catch fish.

Speaker 7 (06:28):
Let me ask you this, Oliver, what have you caught
in the last two years? But you've caught You've caught
some big ones.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yea, I have got some big ones.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
I have.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
We all know we've had those opportunities that sort of
collide with what we want to do with our lives.
And you have to make a decision at a certain point.
Are you always going to put your life on hold
for the pursuit of an opportunity or you're going to
live your life and when the opportunity sync up with it,
then you say, like, Okay, it was meant to be.
You were meant to catch two hundred and seventy one

(06:58):
pounds of fish, you know what I'm.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Saying, And you didn't stop your life.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
And I actually find that if you were in a
position where you can make that choice and be okay
with it, I think that's a good place to be.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, No, it's true. I agreed without a dot.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
He's got to get there though.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, being Okay, I do. It's it's it's you're so correct,
you know. And if if I look back on what
happened even after that, it would never be as good
as if I was doing this is us.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
But it's, uh, that is so wild.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
We could have been husband and wife. That's that's wow.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
You could have been my dad.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of course, then you look at my low and you're like, well,
there's no one more perfect for the for the role,
you know what I mean? And uh, it's funny watching
was watching the show.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You always do that when you maybe audition for something
and then you see how the other person had done that,
you know, and uh, he was he was more serious
like I. I My take on it was a little lighter.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I was.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
It was the scene we had to read was giving birth.
It was like, right, that was the audition scene. And
I remember I was, oh, yeah, I remember that, and
I played it very I was like it was it was,
there was comedy, it was there was some levity to it.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I remember. That's the way I sort of perceived it.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
You know, it was been a totally different show just
off the seven minutes.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
It would have been a completely different.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Jud one year, you know, what I mean could be
a one year so.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
And it would have been your fault.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
Exactly for tuna. Are you still Are you still still?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I hope not. Man, that was a while ago. I've
got more long time ago.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
You're fishing that by yourself and you're on a boat
with a group.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
He goes out, He goes out and does these crazy
which which to me is like I don't even I
don't understand it. But he goes on these crazy weird
boats and sleeps in like bunks.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, it's with random people go out for.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Ten days in the middle of the ocean and they pinched.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
You leave out of San Diego and you fish for
tending and you.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
Catch essentially an NFL linebacker with a pole.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, serious fishing.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
And he comes from hours. There was a two hour fight.
It was yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh but it's it's
you got.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
A picture of the fish. Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, Oliver, Oliver, when Allie was a little, when all
he was little, it's like, it's so funny because he's
still like this. But he would go fishing and he
would just sit out there like cow.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
There's it's like a shark that picture is two days
after I ruined my life.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
And that fish is.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Isn't that awesome?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
When he was little, like he would go out to
like our pond in Colorado, which is like this tiny
little pond that we would like stock with trout and
he would just sit out there for hours and hours
fishing always. And is it?

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Is it the way people who golf they talk about that,
and people who serve talk about that.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Is it just peace?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's you, yes, med Yeah, I have I have a
boat and I dropped the kids off at school and
at eight in the morning's got on the boat by myself.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
In l A.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And you're outside of LA and you are looking you're
outside looking in you know, you're looking at Los Angeles
and it's just beautiful and it's again, So it's pure peace.
That's that's what it is for me. Yeah, enough about me.
Holy ship.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Hey guys, when do you do? Did you any of
you know each other before you started the show? No?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
No, nobody, No, I saw so okay outside of everybody,
Like I knew Susan Kletchi Watson, who played my wife
on the show, because we both went to NYU for
grad school.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Right, But Besides that, I think everybody was kind of
meeting each other for the first time.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And well, how long how long before you started shooting
did you actually do because that chemistry, you know, can
build immediate it and can be immediate or take some time, Like,
how did that work?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
When did we do that first table read?

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
What was your first reading? Was it? Did it feel
like immediately like, oh, this is going to be interesting
because the chemistry for this is as was the was
the thing that I think kind of really stilid, I mean,
other than how great the writing was, but you guys
had such I mean all everybody, how was everybody was
cast together? The chemistry was so good.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
That that first table read, it was my It was
my first table read ever, and and I had never
had to go through that process before, and so thinking
back on it, being completely naive to the process, everybody
felt so casual. Everybody felt so comfortable that nobody seemed

(12:11):
if they were nobody seemed nervous.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
And the whole the network is there, I mean, it's big, right, Yeah,
we need to explain this because I just had my
first big table read for television and I'd never experienced
that in my life. There's you know, too many movies.
And then so you have we had like I mean,

(12:34):
you have the studio, and if you have a studio
involved and all the heads of the studio and all
of the writers, you have the writing team, you have
the streamer or the network.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's like the executive.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I mean, it's like it's like you're doing a performance almost.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
It's like putting on a play or something. You're like
you're doing like a read through, and you expect that
everyone's going to sort of like step up to the
plate and deliver and whatever they're supposed to do, and
everybody's kind of coming at it. I feel like from
a different perspective. Some people are like, it's never going
to be the same as when you're on set obviously,

(13:09):
but and then other people are just like so locked
in and so it's trying to find that rhythm and
it's a very, i feel like, an uncomfortable process. I
always feel super nervous going into read throughs, especially knowing
that like people can get fired.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I was just about to say that so many people
have been fired off of table.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yeah, this is what I was going to say. First
of all, Kate, what's your show is? It a drama
or is it a comedy.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's a comedy, Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
I basically play Genie Buss, the president of the Lakers.
But it's a comedy version of love that so much fun.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
So the thing that I was going to say is
they're probably more stressful at comedies than they are dramas
because in comedies that the jokes aren't popping in the
room and they'll be like trying to rewrite the joke,
and if it's not, they may have to pull somebody
to the side and be like, oh, yeah, it's joke
work espal, it's got to go. I always feel like
in the drama they just want to hear the words

(14:04):
and that sort of thing, and it's not as tense.
But when I when I listen to everybody read it
for the first time, because you read it and you
kind of hear it in your head, and then you
hear everybody else saying it's like, oh, it's better than
what I right, and.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
You hear the people that were really cast for it.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know, the there's there's like a moment in your
scene where you have to like really get scream or
get angry, and you're like cry like here it comes
like god.

Speaker 8 (14:33):
H, I just stop and then I go, I go,
and then I'll uh, I'll do some screaming here, I'll
do a little bit.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Probably I'll shake, I'll shake a fist, blah blah blah.
But they had they had to set up a kind
of last Supper style, so we weren't even looking at
each other. We're all the table with windows overlooking the
entire Universal Studios backlot. I remember that was the only thing.
I was like, okay, this is a bit of a flex.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Wow. And so you you were really on stage.

Speaker 8 (15:08):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
We were all sitting next to each other, so it
was a lot of like trying to trying to connect
and still deliver the delivery.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
We decided to do that crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
I don't know why they decided. I think they made it.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
They did it that way because it was easier for
the executives to see everybody, Like it wasn't set up
for us to interact with each other. Yeah, set up
for them to be able to see us. And that's
also why I took it less seriously as well, because
I was like, oh, okay, they want me to do
this the whole time, so I'm not going to take
it too seriously and had such.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Juice buzz at that time. I was like, this show
is going to go.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
There was no feeling that anybody felt like anything was
in danger of being de raped at least yeah, Chris.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
But it felt like all right.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
I had been in so many pilots I didn't move forward.
I was like, I remember going to set the first
like day of shooting the pilot and Dan was trying
to tell Milo and I like, here's my idea for
like the overall series and moving forward, and I was like,
I don't want to hear it, because this show doesn't
move forward. I'm just going to be gutted even more, so, like,

(16:15):
please don't tell me any of the specifics. But so
I'm glad you were so confident. I was like, well,
here we go. The fifth one on the road that
doesn't move forward.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Is the other TV show that I had done before this,
Army Wise went for six seasons. And when Dan told me,
he's like, so I have like six seasons of show
in my head.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
It must be nice.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Mandy. You played a mommy for I mean years, and
you weren't a mommy. Yeah, now your mommy? Yeah, do
you think that you do you think that? I mean
other than of course, like I see this all the time,
Like this is what we do. We're actors, Like we
can do any of it. We can empathize and understand

(17:07):
what it's like to be a mother. But now that
you're a mom, are there moments that you sometimes would
track back or as you're sort of reflecting on the
things and choices that you made, that you would have
been like, oh, maybe it would have made that differently
if I would have had this experience.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think so, like I just have more tools in
the toolbox that I just didn't even know existed before.
And it's funny because you know, the three of us
have this podcast now where we're rewatching the show and
so we're going back and like having the opportunity to
actually really reflect on that time and dig in in
a much deeper way to these episodes. And for sure

(17:44):
I watch things sometimes and I have a different perspective
of like, oh, choices that I maybe agreed with the
character on while we were shooting, Like I feel very
differently now as a parent, or I see things differently.
I mean, I didn't know how to I didn't know
how to change a diaper. I remember, like very early
on in the series, like Milo has many nieces and nephew,

(18:07):
so he's like, here, let me show you how to
do it. Like I didn't know how to swaddle a baby,
just like very very simple things. But now I feel
like I'm a little bit more adept at But yeah,
it's pretty it's pretty crazy. Chris didn't have kids either,
and by the time we were done, he had two kids.
It's just it's a totally totally different experience.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I would. I would think so, because even even
just like even the access to emotion with your children. Yeah,
like the second you're doing it in a movie or
in a show and it has something to do with
your children. Although I am childless in my show, which
is quite fun, I feel like it just immediately, Yes,

(18:48):
you're immediately like overwhelmed with emotion when anything happens with
your child. It's just it becomes so late on the surface.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah right, yeah, until the cameras all of sudden, like
where the fuck did that come?

Speaker 8 (19:05):
They're like speed blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
You're like, oh my god, I'm going this is this
is going to be incredible. I might win an Emmy
right now, and then all of a sudden's like actional gown.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Shit, you gotta tie it.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
It does help when you time it, like if you
get there too soon, sometimes it's like it's hard to maintain.
So it's like, you know, you try to time it,
write it for action.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
What did it like? I mean, you guys shot for
how how long was the shooting process? Like a year?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Seven months? How long we did eighteen episodes.

Speaker 8 (19:38):
Over the come seven or eight months?

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Seven seven to eight months.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Yeah, it's an eight day shoot schedule for eighteen episodes.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I mean that is really intense, like I I and
I think that sometimes people don't understand, like it takes
over your life. Like it's almost like you'll thank god
you didn't have your babies, Mandy, because it really like
you are working constantly. You wake up at five am,

(20:04):
especially on something where you're in one place where like
they can bring you in at five am every day
and you're like, why are you bringing Like I would
much prefer to come in at seven eight.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I love I love you Kate.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
This is such a foreign experience to Kate, who does
this movie. It's just like this is really hard, Like
they just keep doing episodes and I.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Really did, guys. It was it was a shock to
me and and and not only like I forgot like
what it's like to work over three months, you know,
like you're in like the almost five we were almost
five months for eight episodes?

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Did you do ten?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
But then when you're like, you know the old number
one on the call sheet and you're there every day, Yeah,
you're like, okay, guys, like.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I shot, give me a minute.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
You're like, I just need to like make it to
my kids play, like I just need one thing in
these four you know, you're gone. I mean I would
wake up at five am, I would miss them. I
would go and I would kiss them, and then I'd
be gone till seven thirty at night. And it was wild.
I hadn't.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
It's like, these are the joys of number seven on
the call sheet. Welcome to the Upside of My life.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Take it to season three where I am seven on
the call You know it was it was, but it
it's seven months of that, you know, did you get
to a point where you were like or or were
they were they kind to really kind of break things
up and make sure that everybody had time for their families.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Ensemble somewhere. We're an ensemble, so it helped.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, it's an ensemble.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
So like, there'll be a heavy Rebecca episode for Mandy
and she's there all the time, and she has to
do she has to get up even earlier to do
two and a half to three hours of old age
makeup to make that thing happen.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Right, then there's a.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Heavy mile O episode and a heavy start, and so
like when it's heavy on them, everybody else kind of
gets a little bit of a rest fit.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Right, So that was the.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Secret sauce that no one was who got too exhausted,
or if they did, then they got a break and
then somebody else got it.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
But even on a regular episode, if it's eight or
nine days of shooting, the storylines are pretty well spread out,
so on it's two to three days per storyline, or
if it was a more well balanced So.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
It was the other thing. You guys would show up
and you would see your first a DA on that
episode just be a disaster.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
I think the reason our show works so well was
because we had such good first day.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, who wrote to you, well for.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Anyone who doesn't know what a first a D is.
They basically take care of everything. They are the most
important person on the set of the engine. They make
everything happen, everything work, make sure everybody's safe.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Like a stage manager in theater.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, keep the schedule aligned, like, yeah, they do everything.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I want to break down ensemble because I usually.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Say it's it's a French word, right, but everything comes
to the root of Latin. So if we want to
go back that far, but the way everyone comes together,
you know the words I'm talking about, the pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Of it, ensemble, ensemble.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
What's the other Oh, okay, Mandy thinks it's spelled O N.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Can you imagine what it's not.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
I think I use them almost interchangeably. I think I
said both, but I'm also African Americans. I'd do things
like insurance and ow umbrellas.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Mandy was that makeup like wild for you to put on,
and it was two hours every morning.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Oh it was like three and a half. We got
it down to like three and a half and like
an hour of removal. And then as the character got
older and we sort of moved.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Into the future.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Because our show jumped around in time so much, it
was the oldest version of the character, it was like
five hours of prosthetics. But luckily we didn't do that
too too much. It was just in the last season.
I got so used to it that you just sort
of have to find yourself in a really zen place
and pop in headphones. There was usually so so early

(24:45):
in the morning. You know, it was like four thirty
in the morning, and so you could be ready for
like the first shot at seven thirty or something. So
it's I got so used to it.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I did it.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
I'm sure like well over we tried to like counts,
but I think it was close to like one hundred
and twenty five times or something over the course of
the show.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
At least. See here's what you should have done. Maybe
you did when you know you're doing a show like this,
that needs to be bullet points in the contract so
you get paid more for how much prosthetic? Because I mean,
it's a joke. But I'm like, holy shit, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
If I have to be I have to be nine five.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I need more of that episode A bump.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
I you know what, I feel like the gift that
I got truly was the fact that I got to work.
I was the only person in the cast that I
got to work with everybody I had. Otherwise I wouldn't
have been able to work with these two gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
This is what I was about to ask this question. Actually,
first of all, at number one is did you all
get along well? Because when you're doing your podcast, right,
which is a it's a rewatch, is am? I? Right? Okay,
so you know you want to hear the shit like
people are going to want to know the real And
I'm not saying to give anything away now, but did

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you guys all perfectly get along? I was on an
ensemble sitcom for seven years, and I can say there
was only one fight. Everyone got along really really well.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, there's plenty of stuff to get into, but I
think that maybe the truly most disappointing part for most people.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
Is how well we did get along.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Yeah, people want people want a little more friction than
we had, but I think the benefit of it was
part of the reason the show did so well is
that you're actually watching people who genuinely respect each other,
think that they are talented and funny and beautiful. And
there was a genuine love that was being shared amongst

(26:40):
all of us.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
So there's not unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah, there's no trama, gossip.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's fun, that's amazing, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
I also think that, like, so Dan Bogoman, who's the
creative of our show, is a beautiful human being. He's
just a little bit older than you and I Ali.
He's in February of seventy six, and he'd had a
few shows on the air already, in a few different movies,
Crazy Stupid, Love, The Most Noteade, and I think he'd

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had done like one season of a few shows and
then they had gotten pulled and maybe pulled in the
second season, etc. So he had reached a place in
his career where he's like, I think I actually have
something special. And I think all of us, for the
most part, Mandy being the youngest of us but still
having probably been in this industry as long as most
of us, you reached this place where all thirty something

(27:31):
or forty something and just sort of like there was
a real air of appreciation, like nobody was taking the
moment for granted, because we know that moments like this
don't come along all that often. So I think where
if we were younger or something, people could have come
to it been like, oh is this what I'm doing now,
like I'm cool, I'm the hot thing, what have you?

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
But nobody had that sense of like now we're not hot,
we're good, and we're really really appreciative that we get
a chance to tell this story with other really cool people.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Like that was like to see.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
When did you know though that it was special? Like
when it was there, there's a moment where like, holy shit,
like we're doing something.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
There was a few different moments when.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
They got like when they got like twenty five Emmy nominations.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
The first season, well that's what I'm saying. But before
before you've been air, like midway through the first season,
you're like, wait a minute, this is different.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
There was table read. Don't you think Sterling's try to
jump in? But no, no, no, no, first table read.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
The table read was awesome. The pilot was awesome.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
But then like, so you have a great pilot and
you're like, does that mean you have a great show?
So then you read episode two and you're like, oh shit,
the show was pretty damn good. And for me, by
the time we got to episode five, I think we
talked about this on the podcast. There's this whole reference
to this painting, and it's sort of oblique if you
didn't watch the show, but if you watch the show,
he describes this painting as life and like these different

(28:55):
colors that come in and out, and it's sort of
like a spiritual experience. It sort of felt like a
representation of God without being religious, but with being very
sort of like holistic in its approach.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
And I was like, this is something special.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Cousin called me and she said, stern them this show
is like therapy.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
And church and entertainment all rolled up in the world.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
It's like I see myself in your character, and your
sister's character and your brother, Like I see myself in everybody,
and it's like something that allows me to like feel lighter.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
When I finished watching it, I was like, Okay, now.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
We got before we even aired, they cut together a
trailer that they released online and if we if we
adjust for inflation, I mean, this is twenty sixteen.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
It had.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
It had seventy million views in like the first three days,
and it was just like a clear indication that people
wanted whatever this thing was going to be like it was.
It was twenty sixteen was a rough time.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
It was like it was like it was like a
trailer that made you like cry.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, oh god, I remember. I remember. That's when I
thought like I shouldn't have confishing, but you were crying. Yeah,
going back to going back to me for one second.

Speaker 8 (30:15):
Those did you did you?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Did you chemistry? Read with a bunch of dudes.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Only ended up reading with Milo sit There was like
three women and three men, but they didn't and they
they didn't even have me read with the other two.
They only had me read with Milo. And I remember
hearing going into the experience like everybody really loves Milo,
like he's the guy to sort of like beat.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
You're supposed to read with one other person. But they
didn't show right there.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
They were like on vacation or something something.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
They didn't get into the specifics. But this is the
best realize it. This is just the.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Faces that.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I know.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, Oliver, it's all fun of games until actually talking
to the cat.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
I actually have a question for you guys.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
I know, it's just to ask you guys a question
because yeah, the love that you guys have.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Who is clearing the parent you're both parents?

Speaker 6 (31:32):
How has your relationship as siblings affected how you raise
your children. Have you guys always been thickest thieves that
you ever have any friction or what have you. But
I'm just I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I think it hasn't. Meaning Katie and I do it
so differently. She raises her kids very differently than I
raised mind okay, and.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I think most people raise their kids differently than all
of her raised it.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But there is a crossover in when she is you know,
when my kids are in are in her world? Yeah,
those are her rules. You got to do what she says.
And then Kate has to sort of pick and choose
when she lets her kids alone with me because I'm like, look,
you want Ronnie to sleep over, it's going to be

(32:17):
my world.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
So I just you know, I'm not worried about Ronnie.

Speaker 8 (32:21):
Give us an example of.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
My context, like like like being who is now thirteen
who it would be different. But when he was like nine,
came home and had watched like three horror films my kids,
and I was like, Oliver, he can't watch like like yeah, exactly,

(32:45):
like this is like traumatized.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's an amazing film. There's art behind me.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
And he's like that's what I do. I let my
kids watch anything they want to. I'm like, Oliver, but
but please a because they're just no like terrible horror
movies or.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Or you know, or like my kids take the birds
or their bikes and they can and they go into Westwood,
they can go anywhere. I'm like, you just be safe.
But I believe in sort of independence and you know,
figuring it out. And uh, you know, Being is now
in Westwood, like on a weird motorized We.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Have them on like my you know, on my Like,
I'm like, where the fuck is Being?

Speaker 8 (33:24):
It says he's on the four oh five.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
We are. We're two and a half, like almost three
years apart. We fought all the time when we were little,
but it was us. We went through every trauma together.
Everything that we experienced was together, from you know, nannies
that put us to sleep at four in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Like lying in bed. You know, it's like bri' one
of my Now.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I'd like peek my head out of my room and
I'd look at Oliver and I'd be like.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Are you tired?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Is it bedtime?

Speaker 8 (34:00):
You?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Did you get dinner?

Speaker 8 (34:01):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm starving exactly exactly to to our father who wasn't around,
and we both struggle with that differently, so, but we
also fought, and he was terrible to me, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I was he would you. But honestly, it's why she's
as famous because then as.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
We got older, I made you. Then as we got.

Speaker 8 (34:24):
Older, I made you.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
He made me.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I did because she needed approval and didn't find it
through love, so it had to be through success.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm just looking for.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
A simple thank you.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
So so then but then when he came back, went
to college and came back, we were like so tight.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
You needed some space?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, yeah, changed everything. And then honestly, when I was
going through my divorce, Oliver is really writers like Ride
or Die paternal figure. So when I was going through
my divorce, Oliver was there.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I mean to analyze why. I think when you come
from a really healthy family and your siblings, you have
a better chance of you know, sharing love and communicating
in the right way. But when it's fractured and there's
trauma involved in that family, you sort of are fending
for yourself. And me, as a little boy, I was
fending for myself. I didn't have the capacity to give

(35:30):
Kate what she needed as a little sister, someone who
was wanting it because I was the person that she
needed it from the most because of the fractures in
the family. But I didn't have the capacity to even
deal with myself, let alone bring in someone else, you know,
deep introspection, that.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Is a deep love, you guys. When I had my
first breakup, I was in my bedroom. I never knew
I could cry so hard, like I was weep. They
I had that like you know when your body is
like it just feels like you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Die, and all of her I don't Actually, I've never
been backing upward. I've never had my heart pro.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yes, except and I was in like I was in
like the beetle position, and all of her heard me.
I don't know, and he just came in and he
and he just held me, and I realized, like and
I was I was like seventeen or eighteen and and
and that was like that was really like, Oh, that's

(36:38):
my that's you know, that's my that's my goods.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, that's my moments.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I knew, and I knew and I was needed. Okay,
So this is where I allowed to go to going back,
Like what we're being is out you know in Westwood.
My kids came home once and we're like, we don't
want to go to Anti Kates anymore. Why what's happened?
She goes, well, like you have to take your shoes
off when you go into the house. I'm like, I

(37:07):
might go, well, that's the reason, Like I don't want
to take my shoes off, and there's this rules and
I don't know. I don't know. I'm like, OK, it's
good for them.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
What you should do is say you're going to Anti
Kate's for two weeks.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Oh god, I subscribe to your shoeless household to Kate, Like,
I'm very very with you on that.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Two things. We take our shoes off.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
But I do feel as if the level of helicopter
parenting in twenty twenty four is.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
A bit much.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
And my wife and I actually like have a little
friction because, like I believe in Like if he wants
to ride his bike to the CBS or what have you,
let him ride his bike. He's like, well, why is
it he might have to cross the street. Yeah, he'll
have to cross the street. Ten he knows when to
look left, look right, wait for the crosswalk. He can
cross the street like so there's we were navigating that,

(37:54):
you know, and I'm sure we'll continue to navigate.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
And he's ten.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
We have we have well, we have a nine years time.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
When you saying we have a nine year old and
a thirteen year old right now, the thirteen year old
can kind of go do his thing.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
He's still a little more precious with note m M yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah. I mean, look, I you know, I drink in
front of my kids and smokes smoke cigarettes in front
of my kids. I curse in front of my kids.
I do everything that I do, yeah, anything in front
of my kids because it's me. I let them do
their thing, you know what I mean, Like, I want
to be me in front of them. I'm not going
to hide anything.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
And you're saying, by virtue you want them to do
them in front of you.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
You're giving them, yeah, exactly exactly. I want to make
it exactly. I want them to hide shit. And by
the way, you know, it's seemed to work out so far.
My kids are great.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
They are awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I mean, you've got great kids.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I'm just more of a believer in structure. I think
that kids have less anxiety when they understand what the
what the rules are. I think it's good for them
to want to break them. I think it's good to
have that kind of like, you know, if you're not
back before bedtime, before it gets dark on your bike, sure,
then you're not going to ride your bike tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Sure, that's me.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
You can just sleep outside, you can just sleep out there.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, yeah, kind of. Kaita's a lot of uh, like
you know, death fear, hurt fear. It's like don't run,
Oh my god, be careful, be careful. It's it's very
like that because she had a traumatizing She choked on
a fireball once, like one of those little fireballs and had.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
To be I had to have the So I was
like ten years old and I choked on a fire
ball and I had to have the Heimland.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yes you got. She still blends Bing's food and being
is fourteen.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
Like that. You chew it up for him.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Bird baby, listen, I send the bird feed to my
senate n Yu. Now, I send it all.

Speaker 7 (39:59):
My farmer's dog saw this before you eat it, saw
it out before you eat it.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Well, I want to get into the sibling dynamic quick,
you know, for you with Sterling and and your siblings
on the show. Yea, you know, how how did you
guys have the same Like after a while, did it
kind of bleed into a sibling dynamic a little bit,
with like behaviors and things that would kind of you
would love and things that you'd.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Be like, oh god, let's see.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Like well, first of all, when I text Chrissy or Justin,
I usually begin to text with sister, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Brother?

Speaker 8 (40:43):
What's going on?

Speaker 6 (40:44):
Like like honestly, goodness, like I I love them deeply.

Speaker 8 (40:49):
You know.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Every once in a while, the three of us would
just go out, have drinks, catch up, and it was
just it's delightful, right, and like there's it's not the
same sort of nuisance that you have with true siblings
because true siblings, you know, you don't have any choice
in it. Like if I have a real brother and

(41:11):
a real sister who I share annoyance for there, but
there's still cast made, still friends or whatnot, like and.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
There really wasn't that much. You know, you don't spend
that much time.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
You spend timing and you go home, and you spend
time to go home, you're still cast means whereas family
is like oh you're still here? Why why are you here,
like go away, like you're annoying me right now? You
know what I'm saying, which is something that as I
pay attention to this thirteen and nine year.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Old, and I'm glad to hear it.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
It's reassuring to hear how much you guys fought, and
it's reassuring to see how lovely you are to each
other right now, because there are times with the thirteen
and nine year olds where they're just.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Douchebacks and total full.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
And then there are moments when they're so sweet and
like for their mom's benefit. Because I'm a little bit
more used to like boy energy than is my wife,
who was an only child, and it's completely foreign to hers.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
They just beat the ship out of each other because
they love each other. Yeah, that's a weird way. I
was like, I know, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
So true, dude, be the only girl of three boys.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
She was the only girl.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
Testosterone is a strange poison.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
It is so weird.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
My testosterone was so high. It was like, no, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Didn't stop. I was my boys by sixteen, fourteen eleven,
my girl's eleven. But you know, three days ago I
hear that my wild and Wilder and bodie boys, like,
shut the fuck up, what are you doing? Because they're
always killing each other And walk into the room and
they've made out of like pillowcases, they've wet the tipsy's whipping.

(42:56):
They're whipping each other, but but but not in a fight.
Body's literally like bent over a chair and and while
I was whipping him and I'm like like in his ass,
I'm like, what is going on you guys? And like
we're just trying to get like the thing. I'm like,
oh my god.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Dude, they're trying to get it, like just stay.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
They're trying to get like a sting in a welt
and just to see who can get a bigger welt
on their backs and their as so dumb.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
In high school, they told us we were snapping towels
and somebody somebody talked about an extreme injury in that
day that a young man received in the frontal regions,
and we were like, okay, we're not going to do
that anymore.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
That'll that'll, that'll, that'll end.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And the did you guys there are some people who
did not or you didn't really know that well, because
did you guys work together? You know you don't work
together all the time.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
So I'll tell you what the interesting thing is. And
like when you watch the show, people don't even clock it.
But like, I think I did gas of four with
Milo in the course of six seasons because we occupied
two separate timelines. Yeah, right, he was and then have
to be like I had a vision quest and he
showed up there, or his sister was imagining what her

(44:13):
wedding would be like and he showed up in the
imagining of her wedding if he were still alive or whatnot.
But I think a lot of people don't even realize.
They're like, yeah, I had like because Mandy's the connective
tissue between the present and the past, right, So everybody
thinks we're all together all.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
The time, and most of us are.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
But Milo had a very interesting journey that was a
bit more isolated from everybody else.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
So how so did you did you see him?

Speaker 6 (44:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
You know him? Yeah, we know each other.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
We see each other because we well, there's promotion for
the show, which yeah, it's like everybody's got to do that.
And then Dan would do wonderful job of like getting
folks together for dinners or to hang out of his
house and watch episode and whatnot. So the camaraderie through
the cast was complete with everyone, even though structurally yeah
and we would pat.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
You guys would pass each other and hair and makeup,
and it very much felt like we were all part
of the same show. It was just like, oh, unfortunately,
you know, the rest of the cast doesn't get to
work with him. It's on his own little island.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
It's so fun because as I'm sitting here and asking
all these questions and kind of going into this thinking like, oh,
this is going to be you know, we know that
we know the show, but like it's literally it really
is that show. Like every Chris I was thinking about
your character, like being the brother in law, and and
like it's like, oh, Chris, like what was that like

(45:37):
being a brother in law? In this dynamic, it's like
everyone related to you guys in a way because everyone,
like you were saying earlier, Sterling, there was something in
every single character that everyone can relate to, like I
am that brother in law, I am that sister in law,
I am that sibling, I am that adopted child. Like
it was. It's it's so brilliant because it kind of

(46:02):
even here now the show's over and we're still talking
about it. Like Chris, I was just thinking, like, did
it change the dynamic that you were an in law
even on set? Like did you feel like an in
law on set?

Speaker 4 (46:17):
No?

Speaker 8 (46:18):
Not necessarily.

Speaker 7 (46:19):
I think I think it was definitely definitely vying for.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
You know, maybe a little bit of attention, maybe maybe
trying to try to can I be a part of
this group?

Speaker 7 (46:29):
Anybody? I ut them, But I think I think that
the it's it's so fascinating to talk about the many
different ways into this show, right, there's a there's a
million ways into this show for people to relate to it.
And you would think on paper that this show is
too specific. It's too it's there's too much specificity to

(46:53):
this story for anybody to even relate to. But even
when you guys talk about the way you grew up
and then you know your the way you grew up
is wholly unique. Like you, you had a completely unique experience.
But as you tell us your stories, even in your
most dramatic moments, curled up on the bed being held
by your brother, it's there's there's these basic human truths

(47:19):
that that apply no matter who you are. Too to
storytelling in general and.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
To universal through the specific.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
That's right, that's right, And Dan gave so many specifics
that it just allowed all of these people to come
from every different angle of relationship, whether it's brother in
law or sister, mother, father, estranged biological father, like whatever
the thing is, there was there was all these ways
in So even though you were you know, like myself

(47:53):
from Miguel or or less less uh beath, but numbers,
the number, yeah, numbers number six, seven and eight are
are kind of hovering around the sun that there's still
very much a part of the universe and the universe
can't exist without them. So it all felt very very inclosive.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, that's amazing the podcast doing it.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Well, more than that, what made you want to do it?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Like?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Who where did this sort of spark?

Speaker 7 (48:26):
I mean yeah, I mean I I I had brought
up the idea, but we had all had had the
ideas because rewatch podcasts are a thing, and if anyone's
going to do a rewatch podcast, it should be us.
And and so we just we we got the ball
rolling and talked to Dan about it, and Dan gave

(48:47):
us his blessing and and we hooked up with good producers,
and we've and we've what episode just dropped, we've we've
we've got ten or twelve episodes out now and and
it's all that was us.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Does it cool like that?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Does it feel like do you? Does it make you
wish you could kind of go back and do another season?

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Yeah, that's interesting, Like.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
I feel that way. Miss everybody.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
I miss everybody. I want to see everybody. But the
reason why I was okay with the show ending when
it did is because that's how much story Dan said
he had. If Dan came back and said, I have
an idea for seventh season, then I'd be like, talk
to me about it.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
But like I think, like it's the joy was like
people still.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Wanted us to be there, and we got a chance
to say goodbye, rather than oh is that damn thing
still on?

Speaker 4 (49:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (49:44):
We didn't we didn't welcome.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
We didn't know we're to stay our welcome, which I
think is most network TV shows, Yeah, tend to because.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
You guys, are you guys watching are you actually watching
the show?

Speaker 8 (49:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You have to, Yeah, so what do you watch it?
And then get on get on the podcast?

Speaker 7 (50:03):
And yeah, so we each we each go back and yeah,
we've been watching, and I think the interesting thing is it,
you know, we said we shot for eight months, but
then as soon as we were done shooting, we would
get into these press cycles and we would all still
be together, but doing press or traveling around or going
to upfront or whatever the thing was, and then we
go right back to shooting. And there's a certain element

(50:25):
of rewatching the podcast now that I didn't even realize
what was happening. I just at the time that really
taking in the story and really taking in the experience
of being a part of the story, and also really
taking in the relationship between the story and the audience.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Like we knew people were.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
Watching, we knew it was a success, and we knew
people loved it.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
But to go back with a.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Little more time, a little more care, and just go
through the story and to remember where we were at
that time and to see are we've we've changed and what.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
About what about to even watch it for the first time,
because like, did you watch every single episode of This
Is Us? Like when I do shows like I'll watch
the first couple, I'm like, I don't want to see
the ship.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
No, bro? You know, well, well, maybe if you were
on This is Us, you'd want to watch.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
The probably honestly, if I wouldn't you want to watch
everybody's work. It's like it's hard to watch yourself. But
I'm like, I got to see Sterling and.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
And that was my next question too, is watching it back,
are you like, yeah, okay, I want to get into
the story, but Jesus, I didn't. I wish I did that.
Why did I I look terrible? Why did I say
it like.

Speaker 8 (51:38):
A little bit a little bit?

Speaker 7 (51:40):
It's so much, it's so much of an ensemble that
I could be watching and be totally in the Sterling
story and Mandy story, and then I pop up and go,
all right, I'm in this show.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Righth you forget about it.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
I feel like it's easier to watch it as purely
a fan.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Yeah, even like thinking about your involved in it, Like
I feel like I'm experienced much more, sort of like
a from a ten thousand square foot view or what
have you going as before you may have nitpicked things
and now you just kind of get a chance to
enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
I wonder if you can relate to this anyone. But like,
sometimes I have a hard time watching things back but
when I'm watching something back and it's an emotional scene
that I'm doing, it's almost it's hard for me not
to start to like almost like get back into this,
not knock into the scene. But I can't help but like.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Cry you make yourself like I'm that good?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
No, because no, no, it's not even that. It's like
it's like it's like going back and knowing what you
were processing. Like I have this weird thing where like
if I'm in a scene, I just I just know
exactly what I was thinking, I know exactly what I
was doing, and I just can't help.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
But like surcrying against you know what, that doesn't sound
that crazy to me because I think I vibe with
what you're saying. I remember and we're actually going to
get to this episode soon, you guys. For when William
passes away and I remember watching it and like I
was so moved by it that like I cried uncontrollably

(53:17):
watching the show and I was like I did it,
and I was, but I was, but I was ing
it as an audience member as before I was experiencing
as the character. So slightly maybe, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, I have this weird thing or when I'm watching
myself emotional, I'm like, oh god, I know what I
was thinking, Like I can't sert thing, like I know
where I was.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
That totally makes sense. I absolutely understand that.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I'm going to listen.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
So what you're saying, I am the only one that
makes you cry?

Speaker 8 (53:49):
What makes you cry? Oliver?

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Anything dad related? Like there's something father related, thinking about
you know, how lucky my kids are and what I
pretend we missed out on. You know, I'm like, oh, ship,
you know.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I'm very Olympic sports sports. I am. I'm constant cry
sports constantly always, you know. And then sometimes I'll just
look at my children and just start crying and feeling
like grateful for my kids, and I'm like, look at

(54:25):
these fuckers. I love them so much that I cry.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
It's amazing.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
The kids will get you every time.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
I want to tell funny.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
Kate before the time runs out, because right before this
is that started, Kate and I did a movie. We
did a movie together called Marshall. We shot up in Buffalo,
had a wonderful time with each other. I think we're
almost kind of like common law husband and Mark because
we got close real quick. Anyway, we're up there and
we're hanging out in Buffalo. It's night and you know,

(54:55):
Kate was looking around earlier in the day and people
were trying to take pictures and that Kate had and
she's like, they're trying to take a picture. So at
night we go to this party. We have a great time.
Met her and Dan Stevens. Are walking home. It's Buffalo
and it's like the.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Middle of the well, we were Chadwick and.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Chad and John. But we're going home and she was like, guy, She's.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Like, guys, we had had a couple of days.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
She's like nobody. She's like, nobody even cares. Like look,
and she's skipping down the middle of the street. It
was nobody was like.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Everybody was like, we're like good and I'm like, guys,
nobody cares. Nobody cares, and I just start literally dancing
in the middle of it was a packed street. Oh,
I think I have that on film.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I hope we do. I think somebody either me, you
were Dad, I think Dan, I think.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
It was you. We definitely have it.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
It was I will look through my phone.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
That was a magical night. That was such a great
night and you know. I think it's one of those
things like actors, we're all a weird bunch of people.
We chose a very very wild, uh mercurial world to
live in. No, it's beautiful, but it is really like

(56:21):
when you get a group of people together that all
share that same like common.

Speaker 8 (56:27):
Love.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, it just yeah, just never asked you guys with
three ask your question. Christ's start with you. Do you
think you're a great actor? That's a crazy question. Do
you think you I know you think you're a great actor.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
No, I don't think. I don't think about it like that.
I think I'm alone. I'm always alert, I'm always a
student of the craft.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
But do you think you are good?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I think I think I have confidence? No, I know
this is a I really mean this. I think I
have confidence in my ability. But I never feel like
I've reached any kind of.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You can still be great and strive.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I like this question.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I don't think greatness is a hard word when you're
when you're portraying character and humanity. It's like I can't say, like,
oh wow, I'm a great.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Actor for Kappa. No, I don't think great.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I think I think I can be I think I'll say.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I'll go first. I think I think I'm a good
actor who can be great. That's what I think I am.
Even better work ethic and the right role and the
fact that there was a strike and a few other things.
But you know, like, I think I'm a good actor
and I could be great given.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
I think the most important thing I because before we
answer this question, we have to hang out. Being around
the two of you is going to be one of
the great joys of my life. So I look forward
to doing that in future.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Chris you first.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Yeah, Chris, this is a good end to this. This
is different than how we usually end.

Speaker 7 (58:08):
I am capable of meeting any challenge that that that
someone puts puts before me. So the definition of of
of greatness, I don't know what it means.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
I am. I am. I am a very very good actor.
I believe that.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
I That doesn't mean I don't live with doubt, and
it doesn't mean I don't live with moments of anxiety
and and and it doesn't mean that I haven't been
a bad actor. Right, I've certainly looked at things and
been like, oh, wouldn't you use that take?

Speaker 8 (58:44):
But I blame that on bad editing.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
You know, this is this is an ensemble, right, I
wouldn't have edited it that way.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
But no, no, But before we get to Sterling, you
make a great point. You have to risk being bad
to be great, you know what I mean? I agree,
that's the whole thing. And that's honest about my respect
most about Kurt, like he will try things that are
so fucking insanely horrible just to see what happens and
not have any fear of anyone saying what are you doing?

(59:18):
Because you have to risk being bad to be great.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
I think the greats leave no room for anyone else
to misinterpret their performance. And I haven't quite figured out
all of the mechanitions of that and the mathematics of that,
but but I think the greats leave No, there's not
a there's not a take they could use that wouldn't
that wouldn't.

Speaker 9 (59:41):
Be the one.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
This is it's a podcast in itself, and we can
talk about this forever because artists objective. What one person
thinks is great, another person is like, that's not what
You're like, No they're great, and you're like, no they're not,
and you're you know, I think what's interesting is like
sometimes when you say, like the greats, like we have
an idea of who the greats are, but there are

(01:00:12):
some people like that people would consider a great that
I would say, I see every choice that they're not
a great to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Me acting all the time, like Corey Feldman's music. I mean,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
But it's such an interesting conversation because all art is
truly subjective.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I don't know about that one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
But what do you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
He's talking about there is still good and bad guys?
Like there is still good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
To me too?

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
And are you great?

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
I I I feel capable. I rarely feel like that
was it? Like, I'm very, very very hard on myself.
I'm a hard worker. I think I have a really
good work ethic. I think I know that I'm going

(01:01:13):
to show up to any job or any task or
whatever is asked of me, and I'm going to give
one hundred and fifty percent. I don't know if that
always equates to greatness or goodness. I'm a really like
harsh critic of myself. I have a really high bar.
But I feel like I keep showing up and I
keep trying, and sometimes I feel good. But yeah, rarely,

(01:01:37):
rarely do I leave work and go like, ooh, that
was a good day, Like that's just happening style never interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
So I'm gonna use to this question, and it's a
little bit easier for me because I think I can
see it from like the company that I keep, Like
you can tell a lot about who you are as
an individual by looking at your friend group or peer group,
and me like, I've attracted beautiful people into my lind
Like when I look at Chris and I look at Mandy,

(01:02:07):
I think they are absolutely exceptional at what they do,
and so by virtue of that fact, I must be
something special. And I mean that sincerely because I like,
when I see you guys, I'm like, oh, these people
are fucking beasts. So I must be doing something right
because I feel like we are in this thing together.
So that's the easiest way for me to answer it

(01:02:29):
is just by looking at the people that are in
my sphere and the way that I feel about them.
If I belong with them, then then they must see
something similar in me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Mm hmm, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Are you good?

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Great? I mean like I feel like I am.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
You know what, I look at it as on my
worst day I feel like I give a solid B plus,
so it gives me like my baseline is a high
baseline when when I'm there, think what I'm very good
at is just being present and in the moment and
like allowing whatever my scene partner has to give me

(01:03:09):
to inspire something that allows something new and spontaneous to
transpire then and there your preparation so that inspiration can happen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
In the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Roll all amazing answers and all different I can't all relatable,
like really amazing. I'm if I'm looking at the squares,
I'm probably more mandy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
It's like I rarely leave work where I'm like, I
just fucking crushed that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
I'm just like.

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
They moved on long for that kind of separated confidence.
But I don't know if you saw Lyles when when
he outleaned the guy in the Olympic race, and he's like,
I thought I got out leaned, but then I looked
up and I was like, oh, I'm incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah, but he said, but he.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Said, and I looked up and I'm like, wow, I'm incredible.
Speak from the heart, man, exactly what you're feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Yeah, Oh you guys, this has been so much fun.
Thank you for coming on podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Listen to that was us. I'm gonna check it out too,
and that sounds.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Please check it out. And honestly, when you guys get
back to let's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Have because you guys, I would love to, let's do it.
Let's wait, let's do it all right, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Sterling is the best. They're all great. Chris is great.
After I've met Mandy at like through but I've never
really hung out with many. Sterling and I did a
film together. But and Chris, I just I remember watching
the show you he is he was, I mean, everyone

(01:04:57):
was great. Everyone's great. There's something about him as an actor.
He's so like it's like you, you see you. He's
so honest as an actor. He's such a wonderful actor.
I get excited for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah, and his journey on the show is really and
I'm really going to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Start it like I always say that I am, but
I am going to start this show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, it's just so great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I've never seen it. I think I maybe saw the pilot.
Maybe there's something deep the reason why I'm not watching.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah, obviously, I think we all hear.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
That well, you know, it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
You don't have a tooth. What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So root canal? Okay, but in Europe I didn't have
a tooth. Throw of our trip, you did it? No,
because I took a bite of caramel and it came
out what came out the crown on top of the
you know, the root, and so the whole route came out.

(01:05:57):
But it's there's no root, so it's dead. No, because
there's no root, there's no nerve endings in it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
So I'm thinking about getting like a solid gold too.
Can you do that?

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I mean I shouldn't do that. If I ever work again,
it would be weird. But gold is okay, gold, don't
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Also, you can't afford it, no, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Well no, I can't melt a few things down, okay,
but no, I'm getting it fixed.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
H when I get.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
To. But this was so great, honestly, Like, I'm so
happy they came on. It must be so much fun
for them to watch all that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I know, I love them all. It's just a
bright shining light too. Oh he's so wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
And I was gonna say this obviously, but as all
of they know I can say this now it's just us,
but he was talking about the scene partner. He's he's
the best scene partner. Oh yeah, And we really did,
like we got closed. We immediately connected, and because it
was really him and I the whole time, and they

(01:07:09):
all the other cast did there, but but Sterling and
I did everything together. And it was really really relationship
challenging material.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
So it's it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Marshall. It's it's a it's a story of a case
of of Thurgood Marshall, and it's a woman my character
who accuses a man who works for her of raping
when in fact he was innocent and they actually had
a relationship. But it sort of takes you through the

(01:07:48):
different perspectives and really, like you know, it was a
very challenging part for me to play because obviously the
subject matter and and for him as well. Both of
us sort of were in this thing where we loved
each other, and yet I was because I was Coln

(01:08:10):
was throwing him under the best and and it was
I mean, it's just brutal, and but we had to
go through some really intense scenes together where it was
very intimate and very hard and and and and so
you have to feel safe and oh my god, Sterling

(01:08:31):
is just the best. He was just the best, and
so anyone who works with Sterling that was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Awesome, always fun.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yeah, was the best. I love you, I love you.
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