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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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We call the Welcome back to Side Hustlers. It's Carla Marie.
However you found this podcast, thank you very much for joining.
I'm super excited about this week because i have so
many freaking questions. I've got Katie Bussler in studio. Hi, Katie,
also known as the Chalk Boss. I'm saying the Chok Boss.
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I know it's Chalk Boss, but you are like the chocolate.
A lot of people say hey boss or the Chok Boss,
or you know, people call me boss. I won't lie.
So that's kind of a hint as to what this is.
This whole episode is gonna be about. Chalk said no.
So I at this point would like to tell you
to go check out her Instagram, so you can kind
of follow along and see what the hell we're talking about.
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It's at chalk Boss or chalk boss dot com, spelled
exactly like you would think it would be. Yes Boss,
So a quick synopsis of what you do, and then
we're going to get into the wise and the house
and what's next and all of that, but kind of
explain what chalk Boss is. So chalk Boss is custom chalkboards.
So I do custom chalkboards. Not only chalkboards, I do
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hand lettering, calligraphy, anything hand lettering, which that word isn't
even a really a word, to be quite honest, but
in the last year or I would say probably last
two years, hand lettering has become a word. You can
you can google it, you can research it everything. So
I do custom chalkboards, which means anything from weddings to
events to businesses, um and chalk r So if that
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means it's writing something out or drawing something, anything that
has to do with chalk or my artistic hand is
what I tell people. It's one of those things like
for me, it'll come up on my Explore page on
Instagram as kind of like something that I love watching
to relax and I know you started to do those
more and I love that where I can't do that.
I would love to sit there and hand letter and
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write nice and do all of that, but I'll just
watch you do it because it's so relaxing. Yeah, it
really is. I mean, I do it for my job,
so for me, it's not. I do sometimes, but it
is pretty relaxing, especially if you're doing certain writing. Um,
calligraphy can be really relaxing or just it just it
just flows out. Well, it flows out of me. It
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might not flow out of everybody, but it is relaxing,
especially the chalk part of it, since that's what I
really started with. Yeah, well it's cool for me because
I see your stuff. Salt and Straw is an ice
cream place here in Washington and a lot of other places.
There's one near my apartment in Ballard. It's the newer
location and every time I go there, first of all
you walk in, that is the first thing you notice,
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that giant chalkboard. And lately, as of this podcast, the
latest is the they have the Chefs series and there's
like it's not doesn't say the Chef series you actually drew. Yeah,
that's a lot. That one was the probably out of
the since I've been doing it since February, since they opened,
that one was the one that had the most A
words and be I actually would just say a words
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because I couldn't. I didn't have enough room to fit
enough a lot of artwork in there because they did
a collaboration. So you actually get to see a lot
of my lettering on that where the ones in the
past have been a little bit of lettering and my
design work, like the Flower one had flowers and the
may one. But yes, salt and straw. Shout out to
them because the ice cream is so good and I
absolutely love making their boards. So do they pay you
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an ice cream? Yes? I do. I eat a lot
of ice cream in there. And the crazy part about
that is that I start at eight thirty, nine o'clock
at night. Yeah, people don't know this. I start. Well,
if you follow me, you would know it because I'm
like two o'clock in the morning, Oh I need some
more ice cream. But I started eight thirty at night,
and I do the Ballard location first. I usually end
around twelve thirty and then I shoot over to Capitol
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Hill and do the Capitol Hill one. And I usually
lived around two in the morning, are there people there
while you're doing? Like so in the well in the
Ballad one, they take the sign down, which weighs about
was going to say you stand up there, Like that
would be stressful because there's so there's so many people
that walk through, But no go. I go on the
back on that one, and then by the time I
get to Capitol Hill, it's everybody's gone pretty much. They're
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just like cleaning. And then I do it right there.
But that one's kind of a fish tank. So people
walking around Capitol Hill peep in and watch me, and
it's a little awkward at first, but I'm used to
it now. You should do show like there's graffiti artists
in New York City who do like those random graffiti shows.
Can you please do a chocolate one here in Seattle? Yeah,
we get a choco wall instead of a stupid gum wall.
The great. I think they have one somewhere, but I
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don't think they let people write on it. All right,
we're gonna make it happen. We'll do it right outside
of our Heart radio offices. Um, okay, why chalk? And
how the hell did this happen? Well? I love this story,
so I with two thousand in four two thirteen, I
put myself through US so I have an interior design degree.
And in that last year, um, I quit my job.
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I didn't have a bachelor's degree. I just had a
degree in an interior design because I went to Belby
College and I decided to quit my job and go
back to school and put myself through a bachelor's degree. Well,
when I was doing that, I decided, I'm just going
to work out a cafe and make it easy and
not try to do a full time job in interior
design and get my bachelor's degree. Get it into one year.
So while I was working at the cafe, I was
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always the girls there and my boss would always make
me do the specials board. Did you always have nice handwriting? Well?
So yeah, I mean even I mean in high school
I failed at everything else. Really, I mean it didn't fail,
but I really hated every other I'm not a writer.
I am not a writer. Ironically I said it spelling, um,
and I did art, so yes, I did have I
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do have that background. I was a cheerleader, so always
did like the cheerleading. You know, the big banners go
across the school. Your banners were clearly way better than mine. Yeah,
and even other clubs would ask me to do their
panners for them and I would do them. Um. So
then I was doing the specials boards at the cafe
and my boss there, she Jackie, if she ever listens
to this, she was like, you really are good at this,
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like this, this is just naturally You're really good. You
should do this, because she had chalkboards in her in
the cafe that somebody, another chalkboard artist in Seattle had done.
This was okay, two thousand and thirteen, fourteen ish, and
I just kind of I don't know. I mean, yeah,
I don't That's not what I'm Why would I do that.
I'm going to school for inter design. I want to
be an interior designer. And so um, I did that.
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I did it every day. It was fun and I
kind of then started to realize, well, maybe I should
sell this stuff. And my sister asked me to make
a board for her, and some other people asked me
to make like a baby chalkboard or just things for her.
So I opened up an Etsy shop in two thousand
fourteen and was selling random stuff like one thing that
I could sell, and it was okay. But it was
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it was a lot more work than I wanted to be.
So then I got a job for a construction company
where he built houses and was the interior designer there,
and so I was doing chock Boss on the side.
Was it called chok Boss then yeah, So my husband
is actually the one who thought of that name. And
at first I actually really didn't like it because of
because of Cake Boss. If you ever watched that show
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or no, I mean it's I don't even know if
he's like a thing still, but he had a show
buddy or whatever. I just was thinking, that's too like
his name. I didn't, you know what. I grew up
in New Jersey, lived in the town where Cake bosses,
and I didn't even think so I didn't even think.
I just I don't know, I just wasn't into it,
but I couldn't every name that I came up with.
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My husband was like, now, now, now, well, it's a playoff.
Your last name is well, yes, and it works because
my last name is Bosler, Sopio s s so um.
My husband owns in his own business. So he was like,
you can't be selling Katie on Etsy and not have
a business license. I'm like that, It's fine. I don't
need business license, I don't need a name. And he's like, yeah, yeah,
you actually do. So I went and did all that,
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and um, then I was doing interior design and m
let's see, I was tuning interior design and that was
March with two fourteen. I kept doing it when I
opened my etc. Shop, kept doing it. Was doing that. Well,
question about interior design. This could be a dumb question,
but what is a day to day like for you
if you work in interior design? Like, what are you doing? So?
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I mean, there's a lot of different jobs for interior design.
But what I did for the company that I worked
for is we um took houses that were run down
and they had an investor that would take them and
just basically just bowldoze over them and then we build
a million dollar homes on them. So me and my
boss would then go in and do all the interior
design and not not like the colors of the paint.
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Yes we did that, but basically we would do the
whole I want to say, actually, and this is the
thing about interior designers, I think they get a bad
rap up side note is that we actually are more
interior architects. We don't really do like the couches. I
was going to say, can you come over and help me?
I mean I do. I definitely have that, I because
you learned that at the beginning. But it's so we
would just do like the tile and we would rearrange
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the walls and we would we basically built the inside
of the house everything that you know, we'd rereaded rooms
and make sure everything. I mean we did the whole
floor plan everything. So that's what I was doing and
working there and still trying to do choc Boss on
this side. And that's when I think, Um I went
to I thought, well, I'm not I don't really want
to sell like this has to be more of a
thing in Seattle. Is is there something my husband and
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my husband always is pushing me and driving me, and
he has such a drive, So he was like, isn't
there more that you can do with chok Boss? I
don't know. I don't know. He's like, well, you should
be able to like do menus. And because you go
around places and you see chalkboard menus and think who
does that? I always wonder people like me now? But
um so that's when I looked into I think I
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just googled like chalkboard artists in Seattle and things started
popping up, and then I looked into what the wedding
scene and that's when from there it just took off
and got myself on the wedding scene. Well, I feel
like the whole chalkboard art is very kind of rustic,
and you see a lot of that with weddings all
over now, but especially in the Pacific Northwest. Rustic is
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like this theme and not that a chalkboard is rustic,
but what you can create with it. It's not your
standard Like I guess if you go to a New
Jersey wedding is my mom gets so mad at me
for doing this, which is so over the top, glittering
in gaudy. You're not going to find that kind of
stuff there. But here it really is so cool because
you can customize and create and really, if it's a
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wedding show, a couple show their relationship, show whatever they
want to through your your artwork. And then you've got
local businesses, like I said, i've seen it, you know,
pop up. But you were talking about how you got
into the wedding scene, and I love how this random,
not randomly happened, but the whole Snowhomish Wedding Guild Wedding
Guld keep forgetting So I went to a meeting and
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um because they host the meetings every other month for
a year and the different venues and whatever, and so
I wasn't a member, but you can go and you
know kind of see what it's about a wedding guild.
Is it different business basically the home much wedding guild
And that's kind of I mean there there's other ones,
like Seattle doesn't have like a wedding guild. There's a
Seattle scene of wedding planners that I don't know. But
this is a really like all it's you have to
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be a vendor. You have to if your venue, you
have to be in Snahomash. I can be outside of it,
but you have to you know, it's not outside to
the public. It's all wedding vendor related. So they get
together every other month and network and talk and then
there's us to know how much wedding tour once a year.
So I went to a meeting in September of two
thousand and I think it was fifteen I think had
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to have been sometimes I'm like, was a fourteen was?
I have no idea. It's so long as all together.
And I walked up. I went by myself and I
had I got off work and row from Seattle because
that's where I was working, and drove into Snahomash, which
is like an hour and a half. It's so far away,
and um. One of the things that the meeting, and
they still do this is that if you're a first
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time person there and you're representing your business, you get
to stand up and all you get to say is Hi,
my name is Katie and I own Chalk Boss. That's
that's literally. So if you're a florist, you say like, Hi,
I'm Carla Marie and I own Carler mariees Flowers. I
mean whatever. I don't know what your name would be,
but oh yeah, that's that's all you get to say
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because they don't want you. I don't know why, that's
just it's just a thing. I guess they've had it
like that because they've been it's been going on forever.
So I didn't even Honestly, I hadn't even sat down,
and I had I didn't know anybody there, no one.
I had people coming like the lady was still talking
up at the front. I had people coming over to
me and being like, oh my god, you have cards.
Oh my god, we need you, we need you. I
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need a clearer for like it was crazy, Like I'm
like getting goose bumps. I went into the meeting thinking,
no one is going to pay attention to me, and
who am I going to talk to you? Because by myself,
I don't know anybody good thing. I'm pretty outgoing person.
So I kind I just put myself out there. But
um and I had made seriously, I had made the
night before just handwritten out cards because I went perfect though.
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I just was like, here's my name, here's my email,
you know, and pretty much gave all of them out.
I think twenty of them and gave them all out,
and the next day I that's that's actually where Chocobus
took off. So I started really in the wedding scene.
And then after that I have because I've networked and
been with so many people through that scene, I then
have That's how salt and Straw and I mean tons
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of other things have come up. So you were still
when you went to that meeting working in interior design,
but which is the whole point of this podcast that
this was a side hustle, But it's not your side
hustle anymore. It's my whole time, and it's I can't
even keep up with myself half the time now really, yeah,
I mean between emailing and setting out proposals and actually
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doing the shock and then trying to be fulfillment etsy orders,
at times it gets a little out of control. But
I love it to death. I would never, i ever,
ever want to go back to interior design. As much
as I did love it, I I can't imagine doing
anything else. You work for yourself, which is awesome. Do
you have anyone else that works for you? Is that
going to be you think in the future. People ask
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me that all the time, and I always say, um,
I would love somebody to answer my calls and do
my emails for me. And I have people that said
I'll do it for you, but in reality, no, I
don't know. It's just and plus, since I work from home,
I feel like somebody coming into my space and I'm like, oh,
don't mind my hot mess over here because I'm so
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busy talking on the ground. Um. But so far I've
been able to handle it. But I sometimes get up
work from seven am till three o'clock in the morning. Jesus.
It's depending on wedding season or what I have going on. Well,
I'm sure so you have. Obviously you have a lot
of local businesses that you work with local weddings, but
the Etty store, that's kind of for everyone all over
you city of people all over the world. How I
ship all over the world. How do they find you? So?
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I mean, I do a lot on my I'm obsessed
with it. My Instagram is really truly also, I think
one of part of the stories that that was the
first thing. I didn't even have a website. I started
on Instagram the first thing I did. And you can
go all the way back to the beginning and it's embarrassing. Um.
I mean, it's gonna go probably take you a while,
but um that was honestly. Social media is how my
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business took off, and it still does. I get so
many people that contact me through social media. And a
lot of my stuff that I saw on Etsy is
you'll see it on my Instagram or you'll see it
on Facebook or whatever. You can go to my website too, um,
And then that's how people find me and that's how.
So what I do when I sell on Etsy as
I they're so the way I can ship them all
over the world is that I create a chalkboard and
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I digitally convert it and then it's had this amazing
printer guy in Seattle, who it took me two years
to find. When I found him, I cried, and I
am very protective of his name. So I won't even
say who it is because people have asked me about him.
I will say for people that are not my competitors,
but he's amazing, and because he prints very matt. It
literally looks exactly like a chalcoate I should have brought
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for you. It looks exactly like a chalkboard, and it's
paper and you just put it in front of your
glass in your frame, and it's thicker paper too, and
it's amazing, so you're not chipping actual chocolate. But I
will sometimes I've done custom work. I've done custom sign
engine ship it and you know, but it gets expensive.
So then people think, oh, well, I'll just take a chat.
I'll just take a a piece of paper that looks
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like it, but and it works. It's amazing, and it's
it's custom which it's so cool and it's awesome. So
if you're listening to the podcast chalk Boss dot com
for your wedding or your baby shower or whatever. I
just did a baby stats board on Friday and it
was probably the cutest thing I've ever done. It's super cute.
I love my own work, like this is so cute,
it's amazing. It is cute and I am holding in
my own hands right now, my very own chalk Boss
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chalkboard that says side Hustlers with Carla Murray. Now I'm
looking at this, How what do you use? Like, it's
not actual chalk that teachers use. No, that's and that board.
It's the consistency of boards is so different to that.
But like slimy, I didn't like the way I went on,
But it's just chop. It's just chok pen. I mean,
if you get a wet it'll wipe off. I can
do it in permanent I can do it in real
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chalk like um salt and straws is a real chok
want that look, um. But most of the time when
I do work for weddings events, unless you're big business brand,
most of the time you always want chalk pen um
or real chalk. But I've done um some boards that
I use like pastels on them too, to get different
colors to make them, because cho you can only get
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so many colors you need. You don't really have a
lot of so I use UM. He's like, they're almost
like chalk pastels and have done those before and got
you know, good colors like a teal and an orange
and a red and a weird purple and you know, well,
I feel is really fun. So for weddings, do you
ever use actual chalk? Hardly? Ever? Those brides are stressed.
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They are stressed. That's like the first question they asked
me is, well, what what if this this this? What
if a little kid goes up here? Kick him? Yeah?
Like what if you're drunk? Uncle was like, well runs
into Yeah, it's it's ruined if you do really, if
you do real chalk, if you do chock pen unless
they're gonna throw a drink on it, you're fine. Wow. Yeah,
So you were saying how your day is so crazy?
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I mean, you can't keep up sometimes, So what do
you do because there's so many people that listen that's say, well,
she had a full time job, and did this, and
now she's got her own business. What are some pieces
of advice for people who either a are about to
start a side hustle with the full time job or
want to leave their full time job and now need
to be their own boss, So just hit him with
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really any tips and tricks from the chock boss. Well,
I would say definitely the first thing is is make
sure you're doing your side hustle as something you truly
can wake up and do every single day, because if
you don't love it and don't have that huge passion
for it, you're not going to be able to get
up and do it because most of the time you're
gonna be doing it out of your home probably or
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you know, your parents house or wherever you're wherever that
office is going to be. And you have to make
sure you want to be able to do it and
get up and there's gonna be those days that you
don't even get out your pajamas, but you're okay with that,
and you're okay with not leaving your house for a
week and a half, depending on what kind of side
hustle you have, So I definitely would say you have
to have the passion you have to make sure it's
something you really, really really love or else you're not
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going to stick with it. For me, that's how it's
so true. And then on top of that, you need
to make sure. I mean, I think social media is
a huge part of it, and it's a huge part
of my business. So make sure that people are seeing
what you're doing and you're being authentically you. That's and
I think that's something that everybody always says, but but
I'm like, it really works. I mean, you watch my
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stories and sometimes I'm not even talking about chocolate. It's
like today I had to rescue a baby baby bird. Yeah,
and that's all I talk about my story until I'm like,
I'm on my way to see you, and then I'll
probably post stuff tonight. But honestly, it's people want to
see what you're doing. Whether it's just because they want
to see that you're a real person. They want to
see that you're you're doing your side hustle, but you
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also have a life. You're not just dedicating every single minute.
You take time, like I take time for myself during
today to go work out and you know, make dinner
and show people that you're a normal person. Do like
post it on that. It's funny that you bring that up,
because I was talking to a blogger once and she
was I not, I live in a world where my
whole life is on Instagram and my life is my brand,
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so I don't need to worry about showing that because
I just always am. But I was talking to this
blogger who said, and the blogger world is just so crazy.
I can't even wrap my head around it. Happy time,
but I try to blog. It's crazy. It's like once
a year. Yeah. So many of these bloggers just right right, right, right, picture,
picture whatever. You never hear their voices on their stories,
and it's a boomerang or something. You never hear them.
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So this girl was specifically trying to make sure she
did that to stand out, and it worked. You really
saw her and people were more drawn to her opposed
to Yeah, your your picture and that yellow outfit is
looks great in front of those flowers. It's not real life.
But who are you? I don't know who you are.
It's not real life. So whatever type of scent hustle
you have, getting out there and showing your your character
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and your personality is huge, and even showing it to
me too. I'm like there's days that i sit at
my computer all day long and I'm not shocking at all,
but I'm sending out proposals or I'm like following up
with people and you'll see on my story I'm like, mom,
I'm doing emails still because it's constant coming in and
so it's like you have to make sure that if
you're if you're not doing something, you know, depending on
what you're doing, you're not doing it every single day.
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You're still at least telling people that you're doing something
that has to do with that business or you know,
taking time to go out with your husband or your
friends or whatever it is. But you have to make
sure that you you just kind of have to let
people into your world because people, because that that's the
world that we live in. People want to see what
you're doing, whether you think it's stupid or not. They
they like it. Like I had a video on Friday
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that this stupid budget driver was driving like a and
I just was like yelling at him and everybody. I've
got so many messages like, oh my god, you're hilarious
and good and like that's just me. I'm not if
I want to say a bad word, I'll say it.
I'm just true and and you're gonna be You're gonna
like my stuff and you're gonna follow me your want
me as as as doing something because you because you
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like me as a brand. I think I have to. Yes,
I'm not inappropriate, but John Wieners on job or No,
I'm not inappropriate. I'm not like what I'm not. I'm
not that girl. Like some people are like, oh, you
should write out like the effort really pretty, and I'm like, yeah,
I could do that, but that's not really technically so
why would I write that. I'm not going to do that.
But um, yeah, you have to be you. And I
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definitely would say you have to practice something every single day.
You have to be doing something for your brand every
single day, even if it's something small. You have to
be making sure that you're putting something into it every
single day or else it's never gonna it's not gonna
grow like you want it to. And it could be
the tiniest thing. It could be, you know, just I'm
gonna spend twenty minutes like making sure that my Pinterest
page just twenty minutes is this, or like my websites
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a little more up to date than it was yesterday,
or or it's not live yet, but it's getting there.
I mean, my I try to update my and I
do it myself every year, and that's sometimes I don't
even get that. Well, you're definitely your website. You I
try to like update it every year and I'm in
the process, but it takes a lot of work. And
like I said, it's I'm a one woman show here,
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so I don't hire people out, which I totally could,
but I don't. But you definitely, I mean, I would
say the biggest thing for me is you have to
have the passion to do something every day. No, I
could not agree anymore. If you're if you're not completely
in it, you're not gonnah, it's you're it's truly gonna.
It has to be your baby. It has to be
something that you can't live without. And and that's the
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only thing that I can say that works for me.
I can't imagine myself doing something else. And you kind
of fell into this, which is the whole the craziest
part about this. Yeah, I mean I definitely fell into it.
It just kind of like you said, White Chalk, I
don't know it wasn't like I had done chalk and
was really good at that medium. It just it just evolved.
It just evolved into but yes I have I done
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it and am I good at that? Yeah? I I've
been doing it since I was a little I feel
like you have guns? Do you have? Are yours? I
have been marking out. Yeah. Sometimes I wear a risk
a risk brace at night, Like I'll start wearing it
now because um, but between emailing and like you wear,
your hand cramps up and then chalking and then you know,
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picking stuff up and just daily life. My this risk
gets a little because I'm right handed, gets a little.
So I wear it at night and I'm like the
cripple at night. Do you have to take days off
because of you're using your hands too much? Or no
days off? My days off are usually during the wedding
season the weekends because everything has to be do on
Friday or Saturday morning. So I try to take some
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time off. But I might not be using my hand,
but I'm doing something else, like following up with emails.
It's seven or you know what I mean, it's it's
it's kind of constant, but or something I will actually
go by her face working out and has helped it
like strengthen it. And then I do wear a risk
brace and a lot of people have messaged me, like
other people that follow me that do chalkboards and girl
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eastcast she was like, how do you protect your risks?
I'm like, girl, You've got to wear a risk brace. Wow. Yeah,
who knew? This is like the badass world of chalk
I love it. Also pretty bumped that Katie is also
a part of the Beach Body fam Now you said did?
And then I just started sean week this week, and
then I don't know what I'm gonna do next. I'm
definitely gonna do eighty day. But yeah, I'm obsessed. I
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love it. My husband's doing it with me and he
loves it, and it's awesome. How important is working out
for your I guess the whole mental part of working well.
So if when I just started this a month ago,
when I mean, I've always kind of been fit and healthy.
I'm not a huge person, you know what I mean,
I'm tiny. I know that, and um, and I eat
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pretty healthy. Um. But honestly, after I started this twenty
one day fix and just getting my my my back
on track, it's kind of crazy how much it's made
me a better worker in my job. I am so
pumped to get up every day at seven am. It's weird.
I'm not really are actual not a morning person at all?
Asked my mom, asked my sister, Like we sleep in
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I do. I sleep until like noon sometimes, and I
still do that sometimes if I have to. But I
just love getting up and then like getting my work
out in because that's really the only time for myself.
I don't yeah, yeah, I won't do it at any kidding,
I'll be like Mijami's I'm not doing it. Yeah, And
that's the only time I think I take for myself,
and that's I think, like I said, it's really important
to take some time for yourself because I never and
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I did a little bit before, but now that I'm
you know, four years into this business, I I just
for my mental health. I have to, and it makes
me think better and make better decisions and you know,
decide what I wanted to and what's important to me.
You know, There's been times that I have to say
no to people and I can't do that job because
I have a so much going on it's maybe not
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worth it. A little bit. You know, sometimes I'm like,
I had so much going on that sadly I'm gonna
have to pass you on to somebody else because I
can't take on one more project. So what do you
who do you pass that person onto? Then? Um, So
there's some other chalkboard artists in the area that are
awesome them and we all kind of we all get
along and we love each other. And yeah, I mean
they're great too. They're they're kind of all over. There's
one in Tacoma, there's one inch, There's there's a couple
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in snowho mush now. And what's crazy about that is
that when I started innow, much like when I started
the wedding tour, there was no one like me, no one,
And now there's about not just into how much they're
kind of popping up all over. So it is. My
husband's like, you're you're the first, You're definitely the first time, Like, well,
I technically I was not the first, because there's there's
there's two people that I know of that are older
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and have been doing this probably since the eighties or
maybe I don't even know. I don't know anymore. Yeah,
before Instagram. And so I mean I'm definitely not the
I didn't start this at all. No, But where you'll
stand out Now, there's gonna be plenty of copycats. There's
gonna be people who do it because they can, and
I'm sure they'll sell some stuff. But because you put
all of your time, your blood, sweat, tears, and your
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passion into this, you're going to come out on top
almost all the time, I hope. So yeah, I'm like, yeah,
but I got it. No, I mean that's the thing is.
And another thing is advice for for people that are
starting their business, and especially at creative business like mine.
You know, you want to be an artist, a painter.
I don't even know. There's like that crocheting thing now
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there's so many what is that called snitching or I
don't need to I shouldn't know. It's like crochet, but
it's not crouche where they put the words in. Yeah,
and it's like a little stitching. I can. There's people
listening right now. They're like, it's needle something I forgot,
like needle point, needle point. That's what it's going to be. Now. Anyways, um,
you are going to have a competitor, You're going to
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have a person that lives right next door to you,
that's going to be doing what you're doing, and do
not let it, do not let it get to you,
because that's the thing is that they're gonna those people
are going to follow you. You might not follow them back.
You might you might have a great relationship with them,
and you're going to see that they're going to do
something that you did, or you're gonna get inspired by
them too. And you can't can't be offended by it.
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You have to take it as a compliment and you
can't get you can't let it ruin your your confidence
in what you're doing, because if they're copying something you did,
that should give you more. And sometimes it's annoying, but
at the same time, you know, and it's obviously hopefully
a little bit different. But you definitely can't get if
I let all those people that follow me or do
what I do, or or even I mean I follow
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There's two girls that live There's a girl, um this's
in Pittsburgh and another girl in California, and they're so good.
In fact, one of them just did work for a
woodland park and that's here, Yeah, that's here, I mean,
and I'm like, you know, yeah, my husband was like, no,
and you know what it is? What it is that
she's amazing and I guess what she's not on the
sidehouse with podcast. No, I'm not going to shout her out.
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But the thing is is I follow them and I
love them and they're amazing. But and it actually inspires
me to work harder because I'm seeing that the stuff
that they're doing and no, I'm not copying them, I'm
I'm making it my own. I'm ampetition. A healthy competition
is so important. Yeah, because so you you just can't
be sidetracked and stressed out about well, I want to
start this business, but somebody else is already doing it. Well,
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either try it and if if it doesn't work out,
And that's one thing, but you have to have the
passion to go into it. Imagine every restaurant or ice
cream place said that, well we can't open one, there
is another one. I know, we'd have one ice cream
place the worst world ever on one. If Salton Strawdin
come into this town, I would be like, now, granted
there is other good ones too, but Salt and Straw
is really good. Yea, So how does that work? Contractwise?
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Are you allowed to work with other ice cream places
or I mean, I make my own contract really and
they either agree with it or they don't. And to
be quite honest, I haven't and I probably feel like
I shouldn't even say this. I haven't run into anybody
that I've you know, restaurants, businesses, things that I've worked
for that I've run into that it's been a problem.
They want the word and most of the time Salton's dry.
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I do it every single month, but and you know
that could last forever, that could last for another month.
I have no idea. It's you know, I don't have
that in my contract for that part of it. But um,
you know, I have done businesses before where I did
a whole artwork installation and then they were like, oh,
we want you to come in every month. And then
I find out that somebody else is now putting their
art on top of my art, which is hard because
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you're like, and it still has my name on it,
but then their name is right next to it, and
you're kind of just like, Okay, well that's great the
top hass of mind the bottom half as yours. But
I mean that it is what it is. You can't really,
what am I gonna go down there and e RaSE
it and say you can't have this? You know, I
have to make sure that so he I mean, you
would definitely learn from so many things when you first
start out, like okay, I'm going to change my contract
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to say this, I'm not going to do that. Or
when I first started with, especially in the wedding scene,
I was renting out chalkboards that lasted for a good
hot second because people there's a rental company that work
with In fact, I will shout them out, Vinta John Beyonce.
They're amazing. They have amazing vintage stuff and there that's
what they do, that's what they're good at. They rent chalkboards,
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old mirrors, old windows, old doors, and I write all
over them. And they have amazing furniture and everything to
like so cool. So I was like, I'm gonna like
collect all these really cold chalkboards and then I can,
um why not? Oh people destroy them because you're renting
them out for any thing from weddings to events or whatever,
and they would come back broken and destroyed. And not
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only that, I was becoming like a delivery lady. I
was like out and picking up and I was all
over the map and I'm like, no, this is this
is not what I know what I'm good at. I'm
good at this part of it. I'm good at the chalker,
I'm good at the lettering. I'm not a delivery service.
So I stopped doing that. And I was really nervous
at the time, thinking no one's gonna no one's gonna
rent for me, no one's gonna want my stuff because
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I don't offer this. Well that wasn't the case. That's awesome.
So how did you find Vintage Ambiance? This company that
does do the renting the Snowish wedding gould And I
work really closely with Becky. She's amazing. She owns it
and they have seriously, they the most amazing. That's cool.
She she has such cool stuff. So it's really cool
that I can give brides if or even a company's
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though that be like, hey, she has really cool things
you want to rent, and then I go and pick
them up, do my thing on them, and either deliver
them to you or they pick them up there or whatever,
and you know it makes it all easier. That's cool.
Or I mean I can supply you with a board
it's it's not it's not framed, just a lane board,
but it's got my work on it. But and a
lot of people do that. What made you go from
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this being your side hustle to this being your full
time job? Well, funny you should ask, um. So when
I was working at the construction company and interior design company,
I would say, Um, I was doing this on the side,
and you know, doing it probably a little research here
and there when I probably shouldn't have been. Now, is
that the reason why I got fired? No, but I
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got fired, And I'm okay with saying that now because
it is really, honestly the best thing that ever happened
to me. It was so hard to admit that I
got fired because I've never been fired before. I didn't.
You don't. You don't really want to tell that to people,
because because people judge you a little bit more when
they're like, oh, you get fired. What did you do?
To be quite honest, to this day, I still don't know.
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It's still a mystery. I want to say. Maybe they
knew that I was doing this on the side and
it frustrated them. It's not like you were talking at
your desk. No, not at all. If I had like
a lunch break, I would be you know, researching something
about chalk words or whatever. I was never doing it.
Like during my work hours, I was. I was a
good worker. I I did love hard work. Yeah, I
was all an auto cat and doing all that. Anybody
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knows that I know that program sketch up all that
good stuff. Um. And I just came to work on
randomly on Monday too, which is like, don't please fire
me on a Friday, No Monday. Came in and it
was like and they're like, you need to leave. And
that was basically all I got. And yeah, and so
I left and I wearing something weird with the problem.
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I left, and I was super I was so so upset. Yeah. Well,
and I went straight to my husband's office and you know,
cried in his arms and he was like, oh, it's fine,
you know, you'll be fine. And UM was uber depressed
for like literally the day. And I remember he came home.
My husband, Nathan. He's amazing. Shout out to Nathan. I've
met Nathan. He's amazing. He's such a good entrepreneur to
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himself and he he has helped me, pushed me to
do what I'm doing um. But I came home and
he came home. I was like in head crying, Oh
my god, what am I gonna do with my life?
And he was like, are you joking? This is exactly
you know exactly what you're gonna do. You're gonna do
chok boss. And of course I went through the financial
thing because that's another thing you're gonna go through. Well,
I'm not going to be bringing in I don't know how.
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I have no idea how much money. I can't even
tell you right now how much money I bring in
monthly because it changes every course. It's it's yeah, it's
kind of consistent, but there's times where I'm like, wedding
not so good, and then times that it's really good.
You just don't know. Averaging it out, yeah you can
do that, but it's not like it's not it's like
I know, I'm going to make this amount of money
every month. That's the scary part of being started taking
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your side hustle to full time. It can that can
be the scary part. But he was like, this is
your opportunity. Let's just try it. Try it out for
like three months, Katie, and then if it's not working
and and and it's and we it's not working for
our finances, and you're not loving it or you're not anything.
Then you can just go get another job. You just
got your bachelor's degree. You can go get a job
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in interior design. And I knew I could, but because
I had such a bitter taste in my mouth about
being fired and that thing, I was like, I'm over it.
I don't want to be an interior design world anymore.
I don't want anything to do with it. And I
was super excited. Since the next day is that when
I think I opened my shop, like I had it
open before that, But I think I probably did research
on the snow much wedding guield. I don't know. I
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probably started a website. I don't know. I don't know.
It just kind of went from there and then so
that was January, and by September because that's when I
went to that meeting, that's when. So it wasn't that
it was time, but not a lot of time. Well,
I'm glad you got fired. I know I'm glad I
got fired too, But you know, it's just it's a
scary thing. It's icky at first, Yeah, I tell it now.
But no, I did not talk about that story because
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it's just awkward and weird at first, of course it is.
It's well, it's but a lot of people have been fired,
a lot of people that are really good moses. I've
either been fired or they didn't graduate high school or
college or you know, and there's nothing wrong with that.
You're a rebel. We just don't know why. So yeah,
that's how that can't even clogging all the toilets at work.
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And they were like, you have to leave. Oh no,
I was there was like, no, I hope that wasn't
find out now actually surprised. Who knows if I ever
run into those people, it probably wouldn't be good. Well,
your work is incredible and I hope people are checking
it out at chalk Boss on Instagram, chalk boss dot com.
Buy stuff from her. It's really cool. I want you
to come to my apartment and just like do my wall. Yeah,
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have you done that kind of stuff? I was actually
just going to say, I have done that. And one
of the coolest installations that I did was this um
on Vashon Island. This lady hired me too. She painted
a wall in her kitchen. It was probably like three
ft by eight feet, right, It wasn't huge, but it's
just a wall, like a chunk of a wall. And
she wanted a map of Vashon Island on it, and um,
it was so cool. And first off, her house was amazing.
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It was this cute little cabin, but it was that's
such a cool idea. So she let me stay there
and her house because I was like, it's going to
take me like two days, right, and um, she let
me stay there, and yeah, it was so cool. Side
a little and I did a you can scroll all
the way back into my Instagram and find it, and
it's pretty deep on that Vashon Island. It has like
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cutesy little icons and um, it's it's it's a chalkboard.
But then I painted it so that her kids could
touch it and maybe like chock over it if they
wanted to, and then they could take it off. When
one was really cool. When you're doing something that big,
do you sketch it out first? Yeah, So like that one,
I actually printed out like an outline of Vashon Island
so that I could get the perfect vash On elan
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and I like trace that and then I put in
all my other little like deep to do. But then yeah,
a lot of times I'll chalk it out and then
put the pain over it or whatever. Sometimes I just
balls to the walls and do it and just want
to come batch one day. Yeah it's pretty fun. I
want you to start having classes where you can like
teach us who don't know how to do any of this. Yeah,
that's something you'd like. So I did a class one
time a couple a year two years ago now, and
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I teamed up with a florist who we did like
a floral half floral half um chalkboard and like brush lettering,
so you know, like those brush bans and so I
did that one and but people ask me all the time,
and I'm like, I just need to like I gotta
get the like the product material together and like the
workshops that you got to have like content and make
sure it's like I got to do that, but I
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have so many people have asked me. It's like the
wine painting thing you could do chalk or in. People
have even asked me like, can you teach a calligraphy
class because I'm I taught myself calligraphy, please teach me
and um, but I need to still in anything, I
need to. I really don't know the lingo of collography,
Like there's I don't even know how did you teach yourself? Though?
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I just got a pen and tried it and watched
videos and you know, just kind of and because I
know cursive and how that works. So we were talking
about earlier about they don't teach cursive anymore in school,
and I'm thirty three and people, which, by the way,
is I don't even believe her. She looks like she's
twenty two years Oh my god, you look like Callsy.
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By the way, I'm noticing it now more because Halsey.
Who's Halsey? What do I not do? I should I
who that is? Yeah? She's uh, well let's see she
sings him and I she she sings everything. Okay, well
maybe I do know who it is. Well, this is
not a good example, but she's had pink short hair.
That's why I kind of there's all find a better.
So I yeah, I talked. We're talking about we're talking
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about Sorry, it's fine, we're talking about, Oh, they don't
teach cursive anymore, and I'm thirty three, and people below
that are younger than me. Some of them do. I'm
not I shouldn't say all of them, but there is
a lot of the younger generation out there that don't
know how to write cursive and they don't know what
a curse of k or j or z, which is
a hard one. I could understand that, but they don't
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know what it is and they don't even know how
to write it. So that's a big thing. I think
that when I would teach a class or when I do,
you guys will all know because you know on Instagram, um,
you'll be learning. You kind of have to be you
kind of it would help if you know cursive because
I'm like, oh, you just go up here and then
down here, and you you know. I mean like I
don't know that like perfect words are, so I need
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to kind of research that. Because I'm a self taught
I just I'm like, oh, it's just up and around
and down. You just don't push this harder and you
can feel like we learn better at that. I mean,
I definitely the time I did it, it was it
was a good learning lesson and it helps people. But
I learned that people had a hard time. The girls
that were in there, they had a hard time well,
how do I how do I do that? I'm like,
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I don't and do you know I'm doing it? But
your brain doesn't, you know, it doesn't come naturally that
works exactly, so you know, it's kind of sad. But
another thing about in school is I had to write
into your design school. I had to write all We
had to write pages upon pages upon pages because when
you do a drawing for school, like an architect drawing,
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you have to write perfect penmanship because they have to
be able to read. Does that say right left to
feet seven feet? I mean it's got to be very legible.
So we when you first start into your design school,
you have to write pages upon pages of perfect alphabet
sentences like tonts. Yeah, but I feel like that's also relaxed.
It would know. I hated it. I mean it was
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kind of fun at color and my color room book
all the time. But you have to do it with
a ruler until you can get it until so if
you'll notice, if you ever see me, right, I write
in all caps, yeah, yeah, because it's just normal for me,
so I know cursive and all caps any right, But
it is a weird thing that people don't even sometimes
caps people like, how do we do a cap letter?
What wouldn't you I've had it before. I told you
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it's like a lost art in high demand because people
can't write. Yeah, And the thing is that what's crazy
about it is that, Yeah, I started in chalkboards and
I still do chalk art and I love it, and
I love doing stuff for like salt and straw and
restaurants and all that stuff. And I do love doing weddings.
It gets a little cray cray. And then because you know,
I take on sometimes like seven weddings in a weekend,
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UM depending sometimes I'd say no. So I love doing
the chalkboard part of it, and that's so fun. But
it definitely over the years that I've started, it has
evolved into lettering on UM acrylic is a huge trend
this year UM calligraphy fabric. So I have been I
have would um stained would. I have done a lot
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of stuff. Honestly, in the last year I've done probably
less chalkboards than I've done other things. And this season,
especially in the wedding with to Change your name, especially
in the wedding scene, UM, I have doing a lot
of other things in a lot of calligraphy but it's
cool because what's nice about it is that whether you're
coming to me for an event because I've done a
ton of events, or you're coming to me for your
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wedding or anything a party. Um, I'm usually getting those
people they're doing a chalkboard and then they're doing place
cars and doing a menu, or they're doing other things,
or they're doing a chalkboard and they want glass and
they want they want to intermix it. So that's a
cool part. And then I'm also getting people that you know,
I did their wedding or I did their daughter's birthday,
and then they work for like Fred Hutch or I
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mean anybody, and then I've done they're kind of parties.
It's cool king if I've connected. I got connected through
I met a girl at I don't know where I
met her, I can't remember, but I met her and
then I did the King five event, which was so
much fun and that kind of stuff. And I do
a lot of things that I give back to the
community and I don't get paid for that. I do
it on my own and it helps me as a
business of course, get people and get out there. And
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that's another huge part of you have to put yourself
out there and you have to be willing to do
stuff for free. So we kind of met twice. Well,
So I met your sister at an event last year
was a charity event, and I sat at the same
table at her, and she actually was crazy enough to
bid on the auction item of hanging out on studio
with us. The funny thing is she spent money on it,
and now you're here for free. We love you. She
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hasn't even come in it. Yeah, So I met her,
and then you and I were at an event together
Seattle Business Babe, both posting and she noticed that we
were posting, like in the same spot. I guess yes.
She said, Carla Maurie's there and I'm like oh, and
I'm so. Then I went on to your Instagram and
watch your story and you were literally sitting right in
front of you and you were like, uh, you know.
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My sister was like, yeah, you look exactly like I
know you're talking about. We talked, and then it was
at the King five Did event when you finally said, oh,
I did all of this and I was like, wait
what Yeah. I did a ton of porch for them
and it was really fun and I finally was like,
oh my god, this is so cool. And then I
find you on Instagram and just started following yourself and
I was like, oh, by the way, was this a
side hustle because I need to talk to you? And yeah,
(45:15):
I thank god it was Seriously, I mean, yeah, I
probably still want to talk to you because it's awesome.
Thank you. It's I listened to um there's another podcast.
Listen to this. It reminds me of this, and I
was like, I want to be on her, so super
excited when you asked me, Yeah, no, what you do
it's different. It's cool and it's it's art and it
is and I haven't really talked to an artist yet,
(45:35):
so so this is really cool. Um. One thing I
always ask everyone was there someone in your life that
was so like, okay, you can't do this really chalk art,
someone's gonna buy you writing. And I was like, that's stupid,
good thing. You don't have to say who they were.
I don't think there was. I mean, honestly, I don't
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think so at all. My family and my husband huge
supporter and my family. Yeah, I mean they probably were like, what,
you're not going to have a full time career, you know,
but that's also kind of me. I'm complete opposite of
like my sister is insanely she's I mean, I'm a
smarting in one way, but my sister smart in a
totally different way. And she has such a good career,
and I'm like the total opposite. She's traveled in the
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world like I can't keep tracking and yeah, and she's
a baller like that, and she's really good at her job.
And I'm that's just we're complete opposite. Who comes to that.
But they totally support me, and my mom supports me.
Everybody in my family supports me. My friends, I think
they I don't think I had anybody that was like
that is stupid or weird, cool and not that I
can think of, and if I could them out exactly
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exactly what I love to hear anyway. Yeah, No, everybody's
been so supportive other than Instagram, because you're not allowed
to answer with Instagram. That's the one rule. What apps
do you use to help you with your business overall,
whether it is the artistic side of chalk Boss or
the business side of chok Boss. What is Katie's go
to app other than Instagram? No? Uh, I love it.
(47:03):
I love taking out Instagram because I was like Instagram,
I'm like, no, I love asking about apps or is
there a website or a service that you say this
gets me through. If I didn't have this, I don't
know how I would function, you mean, as far as
like helping my business or just mentally or anything you
could be either. Last week I had someone tell me
there's a specific um inspirational person to follow us on Instagram,
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and I was like, all right, I will take that
as an answer. Yeah, I mean, oh god, that's so.
That's honestly trying to think what's the other one not um.
It's like the back end of a lot of companies.
Know what is it called to not shopify? Maybe to shopify?
Can I say Etsy? Because that's it's an app And
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the thing is that I don't use actually just to sell,
because I would say if I'm not in Instagram not Um,
then I definitely the next thing I'm in is in
my Etsy app, like because you can post updates and
things and they and like show people you can I mean,
and they're always up in their game. And Etsy, in fact,
I just got a huge thing saying like all these
things are changing for sellers to be a better seller.
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That's cool. Yes, they take a percentage, but you know what,
if you're gonna and there's like Shopify, there's so many
other ones. You kind of just have to figure out
what's good for you. But I would say for me,
I started in etc. So it's why I'm like, I
don't want to get out of there. Um, but I
do go on the Apple lot and post updates of
what I'm doing or if I have a new print
that I put up, I put that it's like a
shop update, So I kind of keep people informed there.
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And um, actually I should say Pinterest too. There we go,
we found it. I know, I forgot about Pinterest because
I didn't realize that Pinterest was super super important in
your business until so I went to two years. The
last two years I've gone to UM it's called Wedding
NBA in Vegas and it's geared to weddings. But I
actually gain a lot more out of it, like than
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the wedding stuff because they don't really specialize in my
kind of work. They really specialize in other things, like
the seminars. But there is seminars that you know are
about social media or how do you do this? Or
networking and all these things, so I go to those.
So I went to this Pinterest girl who she was
crazy good and her stuff that I wrote I have.
I still when I go on my Pinterest, open her thing,
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open my notes and look through it. So I will say,
my Pinterest is the next thing that I make sure
that I give twenty minutes two a half hour daily
to make sure that it's up to date. And that's
just cho box um and there's a whole like there's
a whole another thing behind that, but it totally helps
your business. It's crazy because you now can watch the
analytics of it and see where people are coming from.
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So what's kind of cool is that when you have
like an online thing like whether it's Instagram, et, see
all those places, whether even if you're not selling on Etsy,
but like they all interconnect and you can see you
can see through those like who's coming from where? And
I get so many people coming through it from Pinterest,
which is I didn't really. It's also a good place
for bride's I feel like that's your where you start
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planning your one. And yeah, I think it's just and
so I have links to that, like ever where you go,
and a lot of and even not just brides that
people will say I don't know, I don't know, and
I'm like, we'll go to my Pinterest page and you
can see my work. But then I pin other inspirational
work that helps people think of ideas. And so those
two things I think, other than Instagram, is how I
motivate my business and what and and for me to
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getting inspiration to find things, that's awesome, Like I gotta
think of another idea. I've done this board fifteen times
that says choose a seat out of side where all
family wants. Then is tied and I gotta do it differently.
I gotta switch it up and like what's trending, and
so I definitely try to keep up with things. So yeah,
well you're the first person to probably say Pinterest, so
I but yeah, everyone's had some sort of analytics kind
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of makes sense, so like artistically and exactly that's why.
But that's important for people to know because a lot
of people think, why would I feel like you don't
hear people talking about Pinterest. It doesn't mean we're not
using it. I use it all the time anytime I
want a new hairstyle. It's a hashtag and Pinterest I
just sent my girl. Yeah, it totally is. And then
another thing is I started doing is I started, um
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trying to night like while I wind down is like
read a book that's um like I need to get
a new one. But you know there's so many There's
like Boss Babe, and there's a girl Wash your Face,
and there's so many books. Um. It's definitely helped me.
And and because of my fitness thing going on now too,
it's there. It just makes you. It just all around
makes you better. So I try to dedicate like a
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half hour and I need to sleep at night. It
takes my brain off of work letters. Yeah, because you're like,
oh my god, I got all this stuff to do. Um,
but a motivational book or a book that inspires you
to learn about how you can grow your business. I
think it is a huge key thing for a lot
of people have a favorite one. Um No, because I
just started, I shouldn't even say that. I just started
like getting into these I need to like start, but
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so many people I just did a post and probably
fifteen people are like, girl wash your Face, and everybody
says that one's really good. Um, and I've heard really
good one to that one, and there's uh girl boss
and have you and see how I read that one yet?
But I have girl Wash your Face coming to me
because I heard it was amazing, and there's some other
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ones that people told me. All right, I'll check that out. Cool. Well,
follow Katie on Instagram. It's at chok Boss chok boss
dot com. Check out our stuff and if you you
buy something from her, let me know, tag me in.
I want to see it because I hope that everybody does.
Let's get yourself everywhere. Yes, yeah, I mean I would yeah,
or even if you if you have you're not accustomed,
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like if you want something that is not on my
Instagram or I'm not on my Etsy. I take customer
requests all the time. I just did one for a
girl and it's super cute and I do it all
the time. So anything really that's a contact me check. Well.
Thank you. I know you're busy saving baby birds today.
I appreciate you coming into another that's a whole another
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side of me that's next time, the wildlife. Katie. Thank you, Katie,
Thank you,