February 22, 2024 • 47 mins
BONUS EPISODE! Today's installment of "Ask Kevin (Almost) Anything" features Kevin fielding questions from his biggest fans and those that have called in or sent a message with their very own questions.
In today's episode, Kevin and Executive Director of SixDegrees.org field questions about our furry friends and if they have the power to heal us, Sir Paul McCartney, the time Stacy tried to go vegan and the importance of the arts for kids around the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey here, we are back for another episode of Ask
Kevin Almost Anything.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We've been having a lot of fun with.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
These and so we're happy that you're tuning in. I
am here with the executive director of six degrees dot
Org and my friends Stacy Houston High Stacy, Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
KeV, good to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm doing well, doing well.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
How are the girls?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
You know, they we are raising strong girls. They are
they are bright and strong, and they are learning how
to say no to everybody, including mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We used to say to so Se well Sosi had
the situation where she, you know, had an older brother
so who was a very very strong personality and in
his own right, and you know, it was really super
important to both of us and certainly Kira to make
(01:12):
sure that she found her strength and her voice.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It whatever it was, it worked.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Now that she's in her thirties, if she definitely tells
it like it is. But one of the things that
Kira kind of came up with, I think she sort
of came up with it was she didn't she used
to say use your power all the time. And you know,
with Travis, he was so powerful that you know, and
we didn't need to remind him, but associated it would be,
(01:45):
you know, just a message that we would always you know,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Pound a table on. It's okay, just use.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Your power, tell us, tell us what's going on, tell it,
tell you know, don't don't get run over by the
by the little boys in your life, you know, and
you know, I don't need to tell you. There's so
many studies about you know, when girls stop raising their
(02:11):
hands in class.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And you know, all those all those things.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know, we certainly have to try to plight to
guess that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know, that would have been a good phrase and
maybe we can incorporate it. I when Abby, my oldest,
was about two, you know, she was starting to communicate,
and you know, there would be other little kids in
her daycare or something like that that we're hitting or
biting or babe yell and be like you can't play
(02:41):
with us. And we were like, oh my gosh, this
is a lot for already, you know, two two and
a half. And Abby's response would always be like they're
just having a bad day, Like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I guess this is great. But we were kind of like, Abby,
you have to stick up for yourself too, you know,
especially if someone's hitting you, I want you to say,
you know, please don't, don't, don't touch my body or
that sort of thing. And so now Abby is she
just doesn't want to do what we want her to do.
And we go to like take her and move her
(03:16):
from one place to another, she will yell on the
top of her lungs, don't touch my body. And it
has been very awkward for my husband Danny being oh, yeah,
we were on a road Oh yeah, we were on
a road trip and he was in taking her to
(03:39):
a bathroom break and I was waiting in the car
with Eloise and he came out real flustered with her
in his arms, and I'm like, that was quick? What
was going on? And he goes, you need to take her.
I'm like what He's like, I am trying to get
her to go onto the toilet and she is yelling
in a stall, don't touch my body on the top
of her lungs. In a male restroom at like a
(04:00):
rest stop.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh boy, that that is something else.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's a balance, you know. You know, she's in that
very impressional age. So she's she's learning it all. But no,
it's it's a lot of fun. I digress.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That's good. That is really good.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, we have been receiving questions or comments, uh that
have been related to animals, you know, animals people, the
effect that animals and people have on their lives. I
think probably because you know, a lot of people when
they comment on my social media, they'll they'll mention animals.
You know, we use a lot of animals in our
(04:46):
in our social medium. So our first comment today is
from Leanne speaks, and Leanne says, animals and music. It's
definitely a common DENI the dator, right, I believed I
could soothe my elderly dog in this way. Obviously I've
seen you sharing your music with your animal family. But
(05:09):
any surprising reactions, Well, yeah, I mean it's interesting that
I don't know that until the pandemic, I really thought
about the connection between animals and music.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Let me think about that. I mean, I've written at
least two songs about my dog or one of my dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I grew up in a household that didn't have any
animals because my father didn't like dogs, and one of
the reasons my mother loved them. But my father just
wasn't really it to them. One of the reasons was
that we had a He got a dog for my
sister and the dog bit me. So I was the
(05:58):
youngest of six and there was a probably about it
was like an eight year age gap between my next
oldest sister and me and this little dog. I think
I probably was crawling over and trying to eat out
of its bowl or something. You know, it, you know,
bit me, and then whatever there was, I don't remember it.
I'm not one of those people that ended up with
(06:18):
a dog bite and then you know, was scarred for life,
either emotionally or physically by those things, because there are
those cases, and my father's like the dogs out of
here and we're not getting to know a dog. The
second I moved out of the house, I think probably
Tommy I was about twenty. I mean I moved out
when I was seventeen, but it only took me a
(06:39):
few years to get to adopt the dog from a pound,
and you know that started years and years and years
of dogs, and between kir and I think we had
a total of five or something.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
We don't have one now. And during the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I also have always loved horses. Even though I was
a city kid, I felt a real connection with horses.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We were speaking on one.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Of these episodes about camp and that was like a
super important camp experience for me, was connecting with horses.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I liked the way.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I could just feel their energy and I could feel
they calmed me down. I like the way they smelled.
I like the way they felt. I like to be
on them, and as much as I like to ride them,
I also like to just kind of connect with them
and groom them and be in the stall and clean
out the stalls, and you know, all those things were
(07:36):
like I just felt the connection with So by the
time I was old enough to get my own place
and had enough money, I was looking for a place
where I could keep horses. And I got horses probably
in the eighties and have had big horses ever since.
But during the pandemic, I don't know, for some reason,
(07:57):
I decided that for our anniversary I should get Kira
some goats, and so I went and got these miniature
goats and they were there was two of them. They
were super super cute. I put them in a stall
them in the bar, and I didn't tell her about it.
(08:18):
And I went down and said, I have surprise for
you for our anniversary and took her in the stall
and there were these two goats looking at her, and
she loved them, felt a total connection with them.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Every day, for the first probably few months of their lives,
in order to kind of socialize them to people, we
kept them in a stall before we turned them out
into the field, and every morning and every afternoon, I
would go down and hang out with them. Sometimes in
(08:56):
the morning it would be, you know, with a cup
of coffee. Times in the afternoon I'd go down and
you know, sit there and drink a beer and just
hang out in the stall with these goats, and they
would come over, and you know, I would pat them
and they you know, just started to kind of like
connect it with them. And not to drop a name,
(09:16):
but Jimmy Fallon had sort of randomly sent me this
instrument that was a three stringed instrument kind of like
a almost like a doughbro if anybody's familiar with that,
or you know, with kind of like a drone droning
tone on it. And you know, I started playing it
(09:38):
and one day I was like, well, you know, trying
to play this thing of practicing it, I think I'll
just go out and play it with the goats. And
so i'd sit there and play this you know, funny
kind of instrument, and.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I don't know it just I'm not quite.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Sure whether it was that I was a calming down
because I was playing music, or if the actual music
was having any sort of effect on them, or or
if their energy was calming me down. But the whole
thing just kind of felt right with songs and music.
(10:15):
And then I started doing these silly goat songs. So,
you know, I would post on you know, social media,
different songs that I wanted to play, and I'd go
down and sing to the goats. And that menagerie has
expanded quite a bit since then.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I am. I knew a little bit about equestrian therapy,
you know, and that can be utilized to really help
comfort people in different types of ways and different types
of therapies. I feel like goats are popping up in
like yoga, Like everywhere, everything's like you know, goat yoga,
and people just want to kind of be near animals
(10:57):
in that sense. My mom had a stroke several years back.
She since past, but when she was rehabilitating in like
a therapy center, there would be a woman that would
come through with like a therapy dog, And honestly, I
think some of it was for you know her as
(11:19):
like the person that was working in that space and
trying to help others by sharing this passion that she
had for her canine. But I saw a lot of
people that didn't have a lot of visitors at all,
you know, no one was kind of there seeing them
day to day, and they really obviously took to getting
(11:40):
to spend time with the animals and just pet them
and kind of cuddle up with them. And no, I
think there's a real power in animals and humans and
that connection kind of understroken connection.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, they say that the horse's heartbeat is pretty similar
two hours, and.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Uh you know, I I.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I've learned a lot about myself from from just kind
of spending a little bit of time with animals. I mean,
you know, because they can so often pick up on
you know, your your stress levels and and your energy.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You know, I'll see people that will.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Come and and hang out with our animals. We we
now have a situation where uh you know, there's we
have pigs and goats and chickens, and alpaca and miniature
horses and they're all sort of in this place together.
(12:48):
And a lot of times people's relationship to animals in
you know, kind of petting suit situations are is often
about food. And you know, of course an animal is
going to be responsive to food, but we always try
to you know, interact with them as much as possible
(13:12):
where there's no food evolve. And what I've noticed is
that they don't always need the food in order to
be interested to see you. You know, they will if
if you're I go out and just you know, sit down,
(13:33):
they'll just come hang out for no other reason than
you know. It's not like they come and you don't
have any food and then they just split.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They'll just they just want to hang out.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And I certainly have found that very very therapeutic. And
sometimes I just feel my heart rate coming down, my
starting to be more in touch with my breath, or
getting out out of.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
My head a little bit. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think that one of the things that is it
can be really good about pet ownership.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Is that, you know, you you have to focus.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
On something other than yourself a little bit. Now I'm
all about being self aware and you know, not bury
your head in the sand in terms of the problems
in the world or the or the problems in your
own personal life. But sometimes it's good to step out
of the of your own personal thoughts and your own
(14:30):
personal head. I mean, that's kind of what meditation is, right,
a way to kind of stop thinking a little bit.
And if you were sometimes with an animal, you're thinking
about that animal, you can, you know, just kind of
turn the volume down on the thoughts that at least
I can on the thoughts that are inside your habit.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's a good way to describe it, turn the volume down. Yeah, yeah,
a little bit of a reprieve.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I mean I think that, you know, obviously we've had
incredible you know, connections, and the kids have to to
their dogs. Both of both of my children, you know,
of course, are are pet owners, and a lot of
times I'm like, no, don't get another pet. Oh no,
what do you do when so much responsibility.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Especially especially dogs. I mean, dogs are so.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Much of your responsibility, and nobody everybody goes out and
just kind of gets one because their puppies are cute,
you know, and a lot of times they're they're not
willing to put the time in or they're willing to
to train them, train them. Yeah, it's it's a it's
a it is a it's a it's a problem. I mean,
you know, you you you really I've learned over the years,
(15:46):
even though we've had quite a few dogs, there's some
people would consider untrainable, but but we we put a.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Lot of time and a lot of effort into them.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And you know, the time that you spend and the
effort that you you do, you know, really does payoff.
I mean, it really does. It really does pay off.
But you have to know that. I guess what I'm
saying is I'm not not lobbying for you know, everybody
running out and getting a pet, but because you have
(16:20):
to know that you're going to be spending quite a
few years. You know, it's not just that's just going
to be the first few months or the first few years.
I mean, we had a dog, We had an eighteen
year old dog that was a that was a big
chunk of our lives that we spent, you know with
that with that animal and being responsible for that animal, walking, feeding, vetting,
(16:43):
caring for training, picking picking up poop, you know, just
buckets and buckets and poop add it all up.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, it's a big it's a big it's a
big thing.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I do think that there is a there is I mean,
I'm sure there's been studies done about the possibility of
animals too to create a healing force of people's lives.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Absolutely, Thanks Leanne, that was a really good question.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, thank you, Leanne.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
All Right, you want to jump into question number two.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, here comes to question number two. This is from
Ali Kenny. Hey, Kevin, I've been loving the podcast so far.
Thank you that the episode with Thomas Rhett was great.
I love hearing you talk about music. Speaking of music,
the legendary Paul McCartney is a big supporter of meat
free mondays. You should cover this on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Ps.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I love the Bacon Brons and can't wait to see
you guys again in November. Oh well that's very nice. Yeah,
thanks Okay, So, yeah, that was a great episode with
Thomas Rhett. I really enjoyed it. I mean, I love listen.
One of the things I've loved about this podcast is
(18:02):
that it hasn't just been actors. You know, it hasn't
just been people from the from the movie business.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Uh, there's been.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Musicians and people in sports and uh you know, uh
reality television.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And you know we had deep Pop.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Choper the other day. It was uh a doctor and
a you know, spiritualist.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
And and and and it's been.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Really that's been really kind of you know, really kind
of fun and and and interesting. And I'm so I'm
glad so getting with Thomas Rhett we're getting a jewel
for instance, we've had when those of you know, two
of the musicians that we've had.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's just fun to talk music.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm always fascinated with, you know, people in terms of
like their songwriting process and what they feel about life
on the road and you know, trying to break out
and keep things fresh from creative staying. So so thanks,
I'm glad you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And you know,
(19:05):
he's got this new record.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I think it's called.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Twenty right, it's like twenty twenty number ones or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
It's number ones.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It's like, yeah, number one has it.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Was like twenty of them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean it's great, it's amazing, and it's great.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's a great record.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He's a great writer, great singer and really good dude.
So I'm glad he was there with us. But now
the second question that you mentioned is about Paul McCarty
is meat free Monday. So I can tell you, you know,
when I meet actors, I've worked with a lot of
(19:42):
very very famous people and you know, the top top,
top actors ever in our in our business, I've gotten
the chance oftentimes to interact with and work with, you know,
and you know actors, I love it. I think of
(20:04):
them as sort of colleagues. And it's doesn't really you know,
it doesn't really affect me that much or I don't
get thrown that much from from I don't get starstruck.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
If I meet a musician that I grew up with,
that's where I turned into the babbling, you know, kind
of like starstruck dude. And so I have met Paul McCartney,
and he is one of those guys that you know,
we've only met kind of in passing, but he's the
(20:38):
type of person that immediately sort of puts you at ease.
I don't know how people do that, you know, who
are that that well respected, that famous, that that type
of a person that words like genius have been applied
to you know so many times that a person that
(20:59):
is had such a musical and impact on all of
our lives when they're able to just make you feel
like you're just you know, talking you know, to your
dentist or whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I mean, it's really it's really a nice it's a
nice it's a nice skill.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
That he has in terms of that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So yeah, I actually have to stop you real quick. Okay,
So you have that same effect. I can't tell you
the amount of times that we've you know, had people
that have met you and have done work with us
that are like Kevin is just you know, so easy
to talk to and and it's kind of disarming. I think,
(21:41):
you know, and I don't think. I think when people
aren't used to being around famous people, you know, they say,
don't meet your heroes, they're kind of nervous about that
bubble bursting. But I think similarly, you have that effect.
The first time I met you, I was super nervous
because I was like, what what to expect. I was
also coming to work for you, so it's like with
being your first day on the job, right, And I
(22:03):
remember you coming down from from the hotel with with Michael,
and you said I'll just ride with you. And I'm like, okay,
and you jumped into my prius and I'm thinking, I hope,
do I need more insurance? But if I came to
a corrass it with Kevin Vacon, like what does that mean?
And but you immediately started asking questions about my family,
(22:26):
you know, where I was from, if I had siblings,
and and really taking like a like just an authentic
approach of like getting to know somebody. And I do
think that not everyone does that. I mean, having done
this work for a good amount of time now almost
a decade, tell you that this is not always the case,
you know, and you so it's nice to hear that
(22:47):
Sir Paul McCartney is also a real genuine dude or
sir I guess, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh yeah, yeah he really, I mean he really is.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean I I of course I would, you know,
I love to someday spend more time.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And you know, I mean the think about it is
that I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You have to kind of judge, uh, you know how
much somebody wants to share about you know, their work
and and the things that they've done, because you know,
you're you know, with someone like that, you can imagine
that the just so many people say, you know, you
(23:30):
just changed.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
My life with that song. And I mean, you know,
at what point.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Do you keep do you keep responding to that or
do you still are you still open to hearing that
type of thing? It's who knows. But I love the music.
I love the music with the Beatles. I love the music.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Beyond the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And uh, and I just think he's a super super cool.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Guy and and and.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I hope our paths cross again and me this mondays,
So I am Are you a vegan station?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
No, no, I have dabbled in the vegan arts.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You've dabbled right, okay, in the vegan arts. That's funny.
What for? For how long were you?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I decided that I was going to do you know,
like many people, January approaches and you're like, I'm going
to do I'm gonna eat clean, right, So I told
my husband we were gonna eat clean for a month
and just kind of like reset start the year off right.
I guess what I didn't tell him is that we
were going to be doing vegan, which he really protested
(24:41):
pretty hard. Oh really, I think he's almose, adamant people
He's like, I need meat to survive, like I and he,
you know, was very cranky for about a week. But
then he, I think reset a little bit and was like, okay,
like we can eat some pretty delicious.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Me I need my marriage more exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And it was then he also wasn't going to be
in the kitchen cooking every single meal, so I'm like,
you're eating what I'm cooking, or you can definitely cook
for yourself, which she's not opposed to, but he's, you know,
if I'm cooking, he's gonna prefer to eat that. So
it was fine. We did it for thirty days. I
did feel great. I'm not a big fan of like
(25:21):
tofu and things like that kind it kind of almost
gives me a headache. Yeah, Tempe is a little.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Just kind of wheat wheat.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I don't actually know. I don't know that's soybean
as well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay, well don't quote me on this, folks. Vegan.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I know we're clearly not vegans here, but I do
like the idea of meat free, eating meat free a
few times a week. You know, I like cheese, so
it would be a hard thing for me to go
completely vegan in that sense. But what about you? Have
you ever tried it?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I well not vegan. I mean I was a vegetarian
for a while. But you know what's funny about that,
I have this, I have a little bit of a
bone to pick here, so to speak. Shouldn't they're just
if you're a vegetarian, it's in the word. You should
(26:26):
just be eating vegetables. So I don't really see why
vegetarians and vegans should be different. If you're eating cheese
and eggs and occasionally fish, you're not a vegetarian.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I don't understand that. People say, but I'm a vegetarian,
but I eat.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You know, whatever animal products. You know, it doesn't make
any sense to me. So that being said, I was
a vegetarian for quite a few years. I was one
of those you know, I call it a bageltarian because
basically you're vegetar Harriet, but you eat cheese and bagels
all the time, and pizza and you know all those things.
(27:07):
It was really because I was dating a girl who
you know, wouldn't have wouldn't go out with me if
I was gonna eat you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Know, bacon.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Your last name, but I will not eat.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, And and you know, I now I don't eat
pigs anymore, and it's it's makes no sense at all.
But I love my pigs so much, Jude and Johnny
that the idea it just changed my mind about eating them.
And somebody once said to me, say, well, you don't
have to eat your pigs. You could eat other people's pigs,
(27:47):
and I said, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I don't eat lamb.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't like Okra, but that's just because I don't
like Okra slimy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
The Okra thing. I don't know it at all.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, it's not my thing.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
All right, when when you're coming over from dinner, we're
not having oak or okay, you know. So I got
a couple of things that I'm not that crazy about,
not eating goats.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I mean, maybe it's just that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Just the animals we have where I'm not eating.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But I do certainly do have at least a day
a week of meatlessness.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I don't really know why.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I mean, partly because I kind of feel like it's
fun to experiment with different things to eat.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I mean, I like to do that all the.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Time, with with all different kinds of food, whether it's
you know, trying I don't know, suh or you know,
or something Indonesian or or you know, going to a
you know, an African restaurant or or you know whatever,
just trying different you know things. Yeah, I love food
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and I and I think it's interesting, you know, I
just having some friends over. I actually think it's kind
of interesting that people are starting to look closely at
the food that they eat and the things that they
put in their bodies. And hopefully we'll continue, as we
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were talking about on the podcast, to look at the
source of the foods.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That we're eating. I mean, it is a really.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Sometimes frightening and overwhelming thing, but it is also great
to kind of be, you know, aware of what it
is that you.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Know, you're willing to put in your body.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I have some friends coming over for dinner, and
later on in the week and reached out to my
buddy and I said, okay, just remind me what's the
dietary thing. And he can't have anything that has any
kind of nuts in it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
And that's like a serious allergy.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Though no it's a serious no, no, no, it's really bad.
He's got the EPI pen and the whole thing ready
to go. Yeah, he's yeah, he said to me once
you know, you know, it's not a real party until
the EpiPen comes out. So he's a very funny guy.
He's very used to this. But also no seafood and
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then I was like okay now, and then also gluten free,
so so you know, it presents challenges, but that's that
to me is what's really kind of fun about about
food and stuff is when you go, okay, well, you know,
working within these parameters, whether it's veganism or or you know,
allergies or whatever, you can you know, experiment with new
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ways to create something delicious.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And I'm up for the challenge.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Absolutely, that was a good That was a really good question,
Ali Bacanism eating clean. There's a lot to unpack there.
Let's jump in. Our next question is actually a caller
in from Jack Thomas.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Hey, Kevin, my name is Jack Thomas pronounced shib. I'm
recording today because I want to ask what is your
personal experience and your opinion on the link between creative education,
mental health and creative careers. I'm an artist and former
art educator who has watched art and music and theater
programs be the first to go, or at least the
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first impacted when budget cuts happen. This seems to mostly
affect districts that serve low income and BIPOP kids, speaking
from personal experience here. Consequently, these kids, just like I did,
often grow up with basically no support for creativity as
a mental health lifeline, and they definitely do not think
of creative fields when they think about viable career paths.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Way too many of us get their way too, Lay.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I really love the work that my friend David Greiner
formerly A Bad Week, is doing with Brian Reynolds through
their recently launched nonprofit Creative Ladder, but they can only
do so much.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
They're just one ord.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
So what I'm asking is if you could send a
message to public school systems and the US about the
link between creative education, mental health, and career success, especially
in creative fields.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
What would it be?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Hey, Jack, thank you so much for this question. I
am a very very strong supporter of the arts when
it comes to mental health, and certainly starting with kids.
I was incredibly lucky to be raised in a household
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where creative expression was put on a giant pedestal by
my parents. They really didn't care what are great?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Were like, they really didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Give us any kind of messaging to a fault in
terms of like how.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
To make money.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And they weren't big fans of sports. But uh, and
I'm not putting down sports and education and and and money.
But when it came to doing something creative, that was
put on a pedestal, and it was make a make
a drawing, sculpt something, create a costume, do a dance,
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write yourself a song, write a play, pick up an instrument,
do anything of a of a of a creative nature.
And it was so informative for me, and not only that,
it was so important to.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
My own mental health. Uh. You know, I've often talked
about it. I've talked about it on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Of getting into an acting class as a as a
young kid and all of a sudden feeling safe and
feeling like I had a place that I could express
myself in a way that I really wasn't able to
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in school or on the street. You know, a lot
a lot of it was wrapped up and being a
boy and you know, trying to be tough all the
time and survive, and all of a sudden in the
acting classes, you know, I could just kind of be
anything that I wanted to be. And in terms of
music in the public school system at that time, if
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you wanted an instrument, you could get an instrument.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
They would have. This is in Philadelphia. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It would start, you know, as a as a little
kid with a recorder and they just gave you this,
you know, plastic recorder and you would play this little
kind of flute thing and figure out putting your fingers
on it and and learn a song. And then from
that point on, if you wanted music lessons, if you
wanted to be in the school band, it was it
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was always always there for you. And those programs are as,
as you pointed out, the first to go when Cutts happened.
Stacey and I with six degrees, have been involved in
a couple of sort of creative and music based organizations,
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one of which was called Rock in the Future, which
is in.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Philadelphia, which is my hometown.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And what they do is they provide places for you know,
underserved communities and kids to make music, to play instruments,
to record, to put bands together. You know, these things
are happening in classical and in visual arts and all
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the all this.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But you're right, it is.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
It is extremely important. And you know, I'm sure there's
a lot tremendous amount of research and information about uh,
you know, kids and and their own mental health and
you know, around being able to have creative expression. But
you know what I always like to just you know,
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kind of point the point, the example of which is
when people are playing music, Uh, nobody's getting hurt. You know,
no one's shooting each other, right, no one's you know,
you know, you know, you're not fighting.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
You know, you're you're, you're, you're you know.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You're you're you're making music and and it's got to
be it's got to be a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Do you thinks, Dave, oh, one hundred percent. And that's
actually one of the core ways we know Rock to
the Futures using it as a tool to reduce gun
violence and to create outlets. We're also you know, when
we interviewed the different students through these different network partners,
they all said the same kind of underlying thing, which
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was that they felt like this created space for them
to be safe, to have community. They felt like they
were seen and listened to. There was a real belonging,
which we know has a direct effect to someone's mental
health and mental wellness. So, you know, looping back to
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Jack's really thoughtful submission, I think that the education systems
need I think we as constituents of them, need to
figure out a better way to ensure that kids have
access to the arts, whether it's to music or performance.
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But these types of outlets are so critical in giving
young people a way to express themselves and to have
something of their own.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, that great, That was a great question, and thank
you Jack, Thanks thanks for that. Yeah, we're I want
to look into this organization that she mentioned around the
that I guess right, Ryan Reynolds maybe is in Bob
with something, so we should check that out.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
That's how it's cool.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, we'll put the information in the in
the notes. We're going to do one last quick question
before we wrap up today's awesome episode, all right, and
this one is from Lex Lumier. I hope I'm pronouncing
your last name correctly. Lex, who's from the US Department
of Arts and Culture.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Hell loove Kevin. My name is Lex lamer I'm a
citizen artist and cultural partner with the United States Department
of Arts and Culture. February seventh of twenty twenty, I
was volunteering for the Tim Tebow Night to Shine event
at Houston First And this church is older than the
state of Texas, so one hundred years ago, there would
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be no dancing and no music being played other than
you know, the worship team. What I thought was really
interesting is as the decorations were going up for this event,
which is a really amazing event for special needs for
them to have a prom on their own, so it's
really sweet, and people were coming in. It was just
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a really nice time, and Your Footloose song came on
from the film and this film was like, I really
like this song, and I thought, this is amazing. Out
of all places there are playing this song in this
church that's posting a dance for people, because you know,
one hundred years ago that would have happened. And I
just wanted to ask you what you think about the
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openness and the inclusion of the arts into you know,
churches and facilities of spiritual practice. You know what you
think about that is just amazed and impressed at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Hey, thanks like so much for that that question.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Uh, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Let me let me You're tied a lot of things
together that have actually been a part of my life. Coincidentally,
the first one that you mentioned is Footloots, right where
there's a there's a town and uh, and people are
not allowed to dance and the and the the rules
(40:29):
are set by this minister in the town and played
by John Letgow and the you know, it's it's this this,
this kind of creative expression is looked at as anti religion.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And It's been a while since I've seen the movie,
but I think I used the Bible when I talked
to the town council and say that there were I
think there's a quote about in the Bible about leaping
and dancing.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, I'm in the church. Has let me let me
first frame this.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
By saying, I'm not what I would consider a spiritual person,
and I don't go to church at this point in
my life, but the church has always been a place
where there has been art, I mean incredible art. You know,
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all in the beginning of the visual arts that that
was all the art that was made was you know,
iconography and the religious paintings of religious art.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
In fact, when.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's kind of moved away from there, you know, that
was the blasphemous you know, time was when people started
painting things that weren't religious. And music, uh for sure,
and and dance, and in all kinds of religious practices
there's music and dance and art, and so I think
there is a there is a very powerful connection, and
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of course I would encourage that in places of worship
that people experience art.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And the other reason is because.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
If you are, you know, trying to get to cut
a higher you know, kind of personal plane. And maybe
this connects to the last the question we were talking
about in terms of mental health. You know, music certainly,
and dance as well, you know, can be calming and
can take you to other kind of realms of consciousness.
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I think, you know, even staring at a picture of
a beautiful portrait or a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Landscape or whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean, I think that I think there's a a
very strong connection.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I couldn't agree more. And I come from I don't
want to say the other side, but I probably would
consider myself spiritual. But for me, when I'm like singing
or to use sexist words like worshiping, I feel closeness
to you know who. I believe my creator to be
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right more so than any other time. And I think
a lot of people, like you said, with lots of
different cultures, different religions around the world. That's actually what
my degree is in my under undergrad degree is religious
world studies. And so I always found it really fascinating
to see the connections of different religions and groups of people.
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I found that there was way more in common than not.
We tend to focus on than not the things that
we don't have in common that drive a wedge instead
of like the overwhelming majority of things that we are
so similar in. So yeah, no, and I think I
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actually have spent some time in places in the world
where you see this like convergence that I believe Lex
was speaking to, where what seems to be these unlikely
elements are coming together at this focal point and you
feel like like you're standing in awe of something that's
really cool that's happening. Yea, I think the world needs
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more of that. I think we need to have more
opportunities to see these different elements, seemingly different elements, you know,
come together. I think we'd be in a better place.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And I'll also tell you something else, Lex that you
might find interesting, and that is that when I was
a little boy. My father never went to church. He
was raised a Quaker and had sort of, I don't know,
sort of walked away from the Quaker meeting and it
wasn't in his life. But my mother had found this
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church in our neighborhood that she was very involved with,
and it was a Unitarian church, which is one of
those religions where it's supposed to be very inclusive of
all religions.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
And she would go all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
And there was a minister at this Unitarian church who
was I guess, I guess he would and nowadays call
him a progressive kind of minister. And he loved theater.
He really was obsessed with theater. So the very first
acting that I ever did was in church because he
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would sometimes take little sections of plays I guess they were,
and use them to kind of put a point across
in his certainments. And sometimes there were parts for a
young man or a child, I guess, because I was
going to be very little, and so I would go
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and that was really where I first, you know, was
you know, learned how to act and had to learn lines,
and you know, got nervous and did all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Was h was at the at the.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Unitarian Church of Philadelphia and in Centara City, Philadelphia, and
so that was a definite connection of of the arts
and the spiritual place.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Of port a Star was born. You hear that story
all the time. I feel like so many singers that
you want to win Grammys, like they started in the church,
absolutely because that's where they could sing, you know, their
craft every Sunday. Yeah, that's a very very good question.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Thanks Lex, Thank you Lex. That's a wrap, all right, Well,
this was fun. Thank you, Stacy Sure and folks, I
hope you're enjoying these Ask Kevin almost anything episodes. We're
having a good time with them. And uh, you know,
keep the keep the questions coming. I really find this
(46:59):
really fascinating. It's always it's always interesting because you guys
out there are you know, kind of doing our jobs
in a way, you know, try to highlight and find
interesting causes and people who are or have great stories.
It's it's it's uh, it's it's a lot of fun
and it's a lot of fun to hang out with you.
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Hey here, we are back for another episode of Ask
Kevin Almost Anything.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We've been having a lot of fun with.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
These and so we're happy that you're tuning in. I
am here with the executive director of six degrees dot
Org and my friends Stacy Houston High Stacy, Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
KeV, good to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm doing well, doing well.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
How are the girls?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
You know, they we are raising strong girls. They are
they are bright and strong, and they are learning how
to say no to everybody, including mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We used to say to so Se well Sosi had
the situation where she, you know, had an older brother
so who was a very very strong personality and in
his own right, and you know, it was really super
important to both of us and certainly Kira to make
(01:12):
sure that she found her strength and her voice.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It whatever it was, it worked.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Now that she's in her thirties, if she definitely tells
it like it is. But one of the things that
Kira kind of came up with, I think she sort
of came up with it was she didn't she used
to say use your power all the time. And you know,
with Travis, he was so powerful that you know, and
we didn't need to remind him, but associated it would be,
(01:45):
you know, just a message that we would always you know,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Pound a table on. It's okay, just use.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Your power, tell us, tell us what's going on, tell it,
tell you know, don't don't get run over by the
by the little boys in your life, you know, and
you know, I don't need to tell you. There's so
many studies about you know, when girls stop raising their
(02:11):
hands in class.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And you know, all those all those things.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know, we certainly have to try to plight to
guess that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know, that would have been a good phrase and
maybe we can incorporate it. I when Abby, my oldest,
was about two, you know, she was starting to communicate,
and you know, there would be other little kids in
her daycare or something like that that we're hitting or
biting or babe yell and be like you can't play
(02:41):
with us. And we were like, oh my gosh, this
is a lot for already, you know, two two and
a half. And Abby's response would always be like they're
just having a bad day, Like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I guess this is great. But we were kind of like, Abby,
you have to stick up for yourself too, you know,
especially if someone's hitting you, I want you to say,
you know, please don't, don't, don't touch my body or
that sort of thing. And so now Abby is she
just doesn't want to do what we want her to do.
And we go to like take her and move her
(03:16):
from one place to another, she will yell on the
top of her lungs, don't touch my body. And it
has been very awkward for my husband Danny being oh, yeah,
we were on a road Oh yeah, we were on
a road trip and he was in taking her to
(03:39):
a bathroom break and I was waiting in the car
with Eloise and he came out real flustered with her
in his arms, and I'm like, that was quick? What
was going on? And he goes, you need to take her.
I'm like what He's like, I am trying to get
her to go onto the toilet and she is yelling
in a stall, don't touch my body on the top
of her lungs. In a male restroom at like a
(04:00):
rest stop.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh boy, that that is something else.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's a balance, you know. You know, she's in that
very impressional age. So she's she's learning it all. But no,
it's it's a lot of fun. I digress.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That's good. That is really good.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, we have been receiving questions or comments, uh that
have been related to animals, you know, animals people, the
effect that animals and people have on their lives. I
think probably because you know, a lot of people when
they comment on my social media, they'll they'll mention animals.
You know, we use a lot of animals in our
(04:46):
in our social medium. So our first comment today is
from Leanne speaks, and Leanne says, animals and music. It's
definitely a common DENI the dator, right, I believed I
could soothe my elderly dog in this way. Obviously I've
seen you sharing your music with your animal family. But
(05:09):
any surprising reactions, Well, yeah, I mean it's interesting that
I don't know that until the pandemic, I really thought
about the connection between animals and music.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Let me think about that. I mean, I've written at
least two songs about my dog or one of my dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I grew up in a household that didn't have any
animals because my father didn't like dogs, and one of
the reasons my mother loved them. But my father just
wasn't really it to them. One of the reasons was
that we had a He got a dog for my
sister and the dog bit me. So I was the
(05:58):
youngest of six and there was a probably about it
was like an eight year age gap between my next
oldest sister and me and this little dog. I think
I probably was crawling over and trying to eat out
of its bowl or something. You know, it, you know,
bit me, and then whatever there was, I don't remember it.
I'm not one of those people that ended up with
(06:18):
a dog bite and then you know, was scarred for life,
either emotionally or physically by those things, because there are
those cases, and my father's like the dogs out of
here and we're not getting to know a dog. The
second I moved out of the house, I think probably
Tommy I was about twenty. I mean I moved out
when I was seventeen, but it only took me a
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few years to get to adopt the dog from a pound,
and you know that started years and years and years
of dogs, and between kir and I think we had
a total of five or something.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
We don't have one now. And during the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I also have always loved horses. Even though I was
a city kid, I felt a real connection with horses.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We were speaking on one.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Of these episodes about camp and that was like a
super important camp experience for me, was connecting with horses.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I liked the way.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I could just feel their energy and I could feel
they calmed me down. I like the way they smelled.
I like the way they felt. I like to be
on them, and as much as I like to ride them,
I also like to just kind of connect with them
and groom them and be in the stall and clean
out the stalls, and you know, all those things were
(07:36):
like I just felt the connection with So by the
time I was old enough to get my own place
and had enough money, I was looking for a place
where I could keep horses. And I got horses probably
in the eighties and have had big horses ever since.
But during the pandemic, I don't know, for some reason,
(07:57):
I decided that for our anniversary I should get Kira
some goats, and so I went and got these miniature
goats and they were there was two of them. They
were super super cute. I put them in a stall
them in the bar, and I didn't tell her about it.
(08:18):
And I went down and said, I have surprise for
you for our anniversary and took her in the stall
and there were these two goats looking at her, and
she loved them, felt a total connection with them.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Every day, for the first probably few months of their lives,
in order to kind of socialize them to people, we
kept them in a stall before we turned them out
into the field, and every morning and every afternoon, I
would go down and hang out with them. Sometimes in
(08:56):
the morning it would be, you know, with a cup
of coffee. Times in the afternoon I'd go down and
you know, sit there and drink a beer and just
hang out in the stall with these goats, and they
would come over, and you know, I would pat them
and they you know, just started to kind of like
connect it with them. And not to drop a name,
(09:16):
but Jimmy Fallon had sort of randomly sent me this
instrument that was a three stringed instrument kind of like
a almost like a doughbro if anybody's familiar with that,
or you know, with kind of like a drone droning
tone on it. And you know, I started playing it
(09:38):
and one day I was like, well, you know, trying
to play this thing of practicing it, I think I'll
just go out and play it with the goats. And
so i'd sit there and play this you know, funny
kind of instrument, and.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I don't know it just I'm not quite.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Sure whether it was that I was a calming down
because I was playing music, or if the actual music
was having any sort of effect on them, or or
if their energy was calming me down. But the whole
thing just kind of felt right with songs and music.
(10:15):
And then I started doing these silly goat songs. So,
you know, I would post on you know, social media,
different songs that I wanted to play, and I'd go
down and sing to the goats. And that menagerie has
expanded quite a bit since then.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I am. I knew a little bit about equestrian therapy,
you know, and that can be utilized to really help
comfort people in different types of ways and different types
of therapies. I feel like goats are popping up in
like yoga, Like everywhere, everything's like you know, goat yoga,
and people just want to kind of be near animals
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in that sense. My mom had a stroke several years back.
She since past, but when she was rehabilitating in like
a therapy center, there would be a woman that would
come through with like a therapy dog, And honestly, I
think some of it was for you know her as
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like the person that was working in that space and
trying to help others by sharing this passion that she
had for her canine. But I saw a lot of
people that didn't have a lot of visitors at all,
you know, no one was kind of there seeing them
day to day, and they really obviously took to getting
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to spend time with the animals and just pet them
and kind of cuddle up with them. And no, I
think there's a real power in animals and humans and
that connection kind of understroken connection.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, they say that the horse's heartbeat is pretty similar
two hours, and.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Uh you know, I I.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I've learned a lot about myself from from just kind
of spending a little bit of time with animals. I mean,
you know, because they can so often pick up on
you know, your your stress levels and and your energy.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You know, I'll see people that will.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Come and and hang out with our animals. We we
now have a situation where uh you know, there's we
have pigs and goats and chickens, and alpaca and miniature
horses and they're all sort of in this place together.
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And a lot of times people's relationship to animals in
you know, kind of petting suit situations are is often
about food. And you know, of course an animal is
going to be responsive to food, but we always try
to you know, interact with them as much as possible
(13:12):
where there's no food evolve. And what I've noticed is
that they don't always need the food in order to
be interested to see you. You know, they will if
if you're I go out and just you know, sit down,
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they'll just come hang out for no other reason than
you know. It's not like they come and you don't
have any food and then they just split.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They'll just they just want to hang out.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And I certainly have found that very very therapeutic. And
sometimes I just feel my heart rate coming down, my
starting to be more in touch with my breath, or
getting out out of.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
My head a little bit. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think that one of the things that is it
can be really good about pet ownership.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Is that, you know, you you have to focus.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
On something other than yourself a little bit. Now I'm
all about being self aware and you know, not bury
your head in the sand in terms of the problems
in the world or the or the problems in your
own personal life. But sometimes it's good to step out
of the of your own personal thoughts and your own
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personal head. I mean, that's kind of what meditation is, right,
a way to kind of stop thinking a little bit.
And if you were sometimes with an animal, you're thinking
about that animal, you can, you know, just kind of
turn the volume down on the thoughts that at least
I can on the thoughts that are inside your habit.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's a good way to describe it, turn the volume down. Yeah, yeah,
a little bit of a reprieve.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I mean I think that, you know, obviously we've had
incredible you know, connections, and the kids have to to
their dogs. Both of both of my children, you know,
of course, are are pet owners, and a lot of
times I'm like, no, don't get another pet. Oh no,
what do you do when so much responsibility.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Especially especially dogs. I mean, dogs are so.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Much of your responsibility, and nobody everybody goes out and
just kind of gets one because their puppies are cute,
you know, and a lot of times they're they're not
willing to put the time in or they're willing to
to train them, train them. Yeah, it's it's a it's
a it is a it's a it's a problem. I mean,
you know, you you you really I've learned over the years,
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even though we've had quite a few dogs, there's some
people would consider untrainable, but but we we put a.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Lot of time and a lot of effort into them.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And you know, the time that you spend and the
effort that you you do, you know, really does payoff.
I mean, it really does. It really does pay off.
But you have to know that. I guess what I'm
saying is I'm not not lobbying for you know, everybody
running out and getting a pet, but because you have
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to know that you're going to be spending quite a
few years. You know, it's not just that's just going
to be the first few months or the first few years.
I mean, we had a dog, We had an eighteen
year old dog that was a that was a big
chunk of our lives that we spent, you know with
that with that animal and being responsible for that animal, walking, feeding, vetting,
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caring for training, picking picking up poop, you know, just
buckets and buckets and poop add it all up.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, it's a big it's a big it's a
big thing.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I do think that there is a there is I mean,
I'm sure there's been studies done about the possibility of
animals too to create a healing force of people's lives.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Absolutely, Thanks Leanne, that was a really good question.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, thank you, Leanne.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
All Right, you want to jump into question number two.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay, here comes to question number two. This is from
Ali Kenny. Hey, Kevin, I've been loving the podcast so far.
Thank you that the episode with Thomas Rhett was great.
I love hearing you talk about music. Speaking of music,
the legendary Paul McCartney is a big supporter of meat
free mondays. You should cover this on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Ps.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I love the Bacon Brons and can't wait to see
you guys again in November. Oh well that's very nice. Yeah,
thanks Okay, So, yeah, that was a great episode with
Thomas Rhett. I really enjoyed it. I mean, I love listen.
One of the things I've loved about this podcast is
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that it hasn't just been actors. You know, it hasn't
just been people from the from the movie business.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Uh, there's been.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Musicians and people in sports and uh you know, uh
reality television.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And you know we had deep Pop.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Choper the other day. It was uh a doctor and
a you know, spiritualist.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
And and and and it's been.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Really that's been really kind of you know, really kind
of fun and and and interesting. And I'm so I'm
glad so getting with Thomas Rhett we're getting a jewel
for instance, we've had when those of you know, two
of the musicians that we've had.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's just fun to talk music.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm always fascinated with, you know, people in terms of
like their songwriting process and what they feel about life
on the road and you know, trying to break out
and keep things fresh from creative staying. So so thanks,
I'm glad you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And you know,
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he's got this new record.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I think it's called.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Twenty right, it's like twenty twenty number ones or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
It's number ones.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It's like, yeah, number one has it.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Was like twenty of them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean it's great, it's amazing, and it's great.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's a great record.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He's a great writer, great singer and really good dude.
So I'm glad he was there with us. But now
the second question that you mentioned is about Paul McCarty
is meat free Monday. So I can tell you, you know,
when I meet actors, I've worked with a lot of
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very very famous people and you know, the top top,
top actors ever in our in our business, I've gotten
the chance oftentimes to interact with and work with, you know,
and you know actors, I love it. I think of
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them as sort of colleagues. And it's doesn't really you know,
it doesn't really affect me that much or I don't
get thrown that much from from I don't get starstruck.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
If I meet a musician that I grew up with,
that's where I turned into the babbling, you know, kind
of like starstruck dude. And so I have met Paul McCartney,
and he is one of those guys that you know,
we've only met kind of in passing, but he's the
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type of person that immediately sort of puts you at ease.
I don't know how people do that, you know, who
are that that well respected, that famous, that that type
of a person that words like genius have been applied
to you know so many times that a person that
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is had such a musical and impact on all of
our lives when they're able to just make you feel
like you're just you know, talking you know, to your
dentist or whatever.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I mean, it's really it's really a nice it's a
nice it's a nice skill.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
That he has in terms of that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So yeah, I actually have to stop you real quick. Okay,
So you have that same effect. I can't tell you
the amount of times that we've you know, had people
that have met you and have done work with us
that are like Kevin is just you know, so easy
to talk to and and it's kind of disarming. I think,
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you know, and I don't think. I think when people
aren't used to being around famous people, you know, they say,
don't meet your heroes, they're kind of nervous about that
bubble bursting. But I think similarly, you have that effect.
The first time I met you, I was super nervous
because I was like, what what to expect. I was
also coming to work for you, so it's like with
being your first day on the job, right, And I
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remember you coming down from from the hotel with with Michael,
and you said I'll just ride with you. And I'm like, okay,
and you jumped into my prius and I'm thinking, I hope,
do I need more insurance? But if I came to
a corrass it with Kevin Vacon, like what does that mean?
And but you immediately started asking questions about my family,
(22:26):
you know, where I was from, if I had siblings,
and and really taking like a like just an authentic
approach of like getting to know somebody. And I do
think that not everyone does that. I mean, having done
this work for a good amount of time now almost
a decade, tell you that this is not always the case,
you know, and you so it's nice to hear that
(22:47):
Sir Paul McCartney is also a real genuine dude or
sir I guess, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh yeah, yeah he really, I mean he really is.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean I I of course I would, you know,
I love to someday spend more time.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And you know, I mean the think about it is
that I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You have to kind of judge, uh, you know how
much somebody wants to share about you know, their work
and and the things that they've done, because you know,
you're you know, with someone like that, you can imagine
that the just so many people say, you know, you
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just changed.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
My life with that song. And I mean, you know,
at what point.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Do you keep do you keep responding to that or
do you still are you still open to hearing that
type of thing? It's who knows. But I love the music.
I love the music with the Beatles. I love the music.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Beyond the Beatles.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And uh, and I just think he's a super super cool.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Guy and and and.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I hope our paths cross again and me this mondays,
So I am Are you a vegan station?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
No, no, I have dabbled in the vegan arts.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You've dabbled right, okay, in the vegan arts. That's funny.
What for? For how long were you?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I decided that I was going to do you know,
like many people, January approaches and you're like, I'm going
to do I'm gonna eat clean, right, So I told
my husband we were gonna eat clean for a month
and just kind of like reset start the year off right.
I guess what I didn't tell him is that we
were going to be doing vegan, which he really protested
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pretty hard. Oh really, I think he's almose, adamant people
He's like, I need meat to survive, like I and he,
you know, was very cranky for about a week. But
then he, I think reset a little bit and was like, okay,
like we can eat some pretty delicious.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Me I need my marriage more exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And it was then he also wasn't going to be
in the kitchen cooking every single meal, so I'm like,
you're eating what I'm cooking, or you can definitely cook
for yourself, which she's not opposed to, but he's, you know,
if I'm cooking, he's gonna prefer to eat that. So
it was fine. We did it for thirty days. I
did feel great. I'm not a big fan of like
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tofu and things like that kind it kind of almost
gives me a headache. Yeah, Tempe is a little.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Just kind of wheat wheat.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I don't actually know. I don't know that's soybean
as well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay, well don't quote me on this, folks. Vegan.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I know we're clearly not vegans here, but I do
like the idea of meat free, eating meat free a
few times a week. You know, I like cheese, so
it would be a hard thing for me to go
completely vegan in that sense. But what about you? Have
you ever tried it?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I well not vegan. I mean I was a vegetarian
for a while. But you know what's funny about that,
I have this, I have a little bit of a
bone to pick here, so to speak. Shouldn't they're just
if you're a vegetarian, it's in the word. You should
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just be eating vegetables. So I don't really see why
vegetarians and vegans should be different. If you're eating cheese
and eggs and occasionally fish, you're not a vegetarian.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I don't understand that. People say, but I'm a vegetarian,
but I eat.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You know, whatever animal products. You know, it doesn't make
any sense to me. So that being said, I was
a vegetarian for quite a few years. I was one
of those you know, I call it a bageltarian because
basically you're vegetar Harriet, but you eat cheese and bagels
all the time, and pizza and you know all those things.
(27:07):
It was really because I was dating a girl who
you know, wouldn't have wouldn't go out with me if
I was gonna eat you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Know, bacon.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Your last name, but I will not eat.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, And and you know, I now I don't eat
pigs anymore, and it's it's makes no sense at all.
But I love my pigs so much, Jude and Johnny
that the idea it just changed my mind about eating them.
And somebody once said to me, say, well, you don't
have to eat your pigs. You could eat other people's pigs,
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and I said, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I don't eat lamb.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't like Okra, but that's just because I don't
like Okra slimy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
The Okra thing. I don't know it at all.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, it's not my thing.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
All right, when when you're coming over from dinner, we're
not having oak or okay, you know. So I got
a couple of things that I'm not that crazy about,
not eating goats.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I mean, maybe it's just that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Just the animals we have where I'm not eating.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But I do certainly do have at least a day
a week of meatlessness.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I don't really know why.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I mean, partly because I kind of feel like it's
fun to experiment with different things to eat.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I mean, I like to do that all the.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Time, with with all different kinds of food, whether it's
you know, trying I don't know, suh or you know,
or something Indonesian or or you know, going to a
you know, an African restaurant or or you know whatever,
just trying different you know things. Yeah, I love food
(29:01):
and I and I think it's interesting, you know, I
just having some friends over. I actually think it's kind
of interesting that people are starting to look closely at
the food that they eat and the things that they
put in their bodies. And hopefully we'll continue, as we
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were talking about on the podcast, to look at the
source of the foods.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That we're eating. I mean, it is a really.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Sometimes frightening and overwhelming thing, but it is also great
to kind of be, you know, aware of what it
is that you.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Know, you're willing to put in your body.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I have some friends coming over for dinner, and
later on in the week and reached out to my
buddy and I said, okay, just remind me what's the
dietary thing. And he can't have anything that has any
kind of nuts in it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
And that's like a serious allergy.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Though no it's a serious no, no, no, it's really bad.
He's got the EPI pen and the whole thing ready
to go. Yeah, he's yeah, he said to me once
you know, you know, it's not a real party until
the EpiPen comes out. So he's a very funny guy.
He's very used to this. But also no seafood and
(30:26):
then I was like okay now, and then also gluten free,
so so you know, it presents challenges, but that's that
to me is what's really kind of fun about about
food and stuff is when you go, okay, well, you know,
working within these parameters, whether it's veganism or or you know,
allergies or whatever, you can you know, experiment with new
(30:47):
ways to create something delicious.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And I'm up for the challenge.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Absolutely, that was a good That was a really good question,
Ali Bacanism eating clean. There's a lot to unpack there.
Let's jump in. Our next question is actually a caller
in from Jack Thomas.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Hey, Kevin, my name is Jack Thomas pronounced shib. I'm
recording today because I want to ask what is your
personal experience and your opinion on the link between creative education,
mental health and creative careers. I'm an artist and former
art educator who has watched art and music and theater
programs be the first to go, or at least the
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first impacted when budget cuts happen. This seems to mostly
affect districts that serve low income and BIPOP kids, speaking
from personal experience here. Consequently, these kids, just like I did,
often grow up with basically no support for creativity as
a mental health lifeline, and they definitely do not think
of creative fields when they think about viable career paths.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Way too many of us get their way too, Lay.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I really love the work that my friend David Greiner
formerly A Bad Week, is doing with Brian Reynolds through
their recently launched nonprofit Creative Ladder, but they can only
do so much.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
They're just one ord.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
So what I'm asking is if you could send a
message to public school systems and the US about the
link between creative education, mental health, and career success, especially
in creative fields.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
What would it be?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Hey, Jack, thank you so much for this question. I
am a very very strong supporter of the arts when
it comes to mental health, and certainly starting with kids.
I was incredibly lucky to be raised in a household
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where creative expression was put on a giant pedestal by
my parents. They really didn't care what are great?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Were like, they really didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Give us any kind of messaging to a fault in
terms of like how.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
To make money.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And they weren't big fans of sports. But uh, and
I'm not putting down sports and education and and and money.
But when it came to doing something creative, that was
put on a pedestal, and it was make a make
a drawing, sculpt something, create a costume, do a dance,
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write yourself a song, write a play, pick up an instrument,
do anything of a of a of a creative nature.
And it was so informative for me, and not only that,
it was so important to.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
My own mental health. Uh. You know, I've often talked
about it. I've talked about it on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Of getting into an acting class as a as a
young kid and all of a sudden feeling safe and
feeling like I had a place that I could express
myself in a way that I really wasn't able to
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in school or on the street. You know, a lot
a lot of it was wrapped up and being a
boy and you know, trying to be tough all the
time and survive, and all of a sudden in the
acting classes, you know, I could just kind of be
anything that I wanted to be. And in terms of
music in the public school system at that time, if
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you wanted an instrument, you could get an instrument.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
They would have. This is in Philadelphia. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It would start, you know, as a as a little
kid with a recorder and they just gave you this,
you know, plastic recorder and you would play this little
kind of flute thing and figure out putting your fingers
on it and and learn a song. And then from
that point on, if you wanted music lessons, if you
wanted to be in the school band, it was it
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was always always there for you. And those programs are as,
as you pointed out, the first to go when Cutts happened.
Stacey and I with six degrees, have been involved in
a couple of sort of creative and music based organizations,
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one of which was called Rock in the Future, which
is in.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Philadelphia, which is my hometown.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And what they do is they provide places for you know,
underserved communities and kids to make music, to play instruments,
to record, to put bands together. You know, these things
are happening in classical and in visual arts and all
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the all this.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But you're right, it is.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
It is extremely important. And you know, I'm sure there's
a lot tremendous amount of research and information about uh,
you know, kids and and their own mental health and
you know, around being able to have creative expression. But
you know what I always like to just you know,
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kind of point the point, the example of which is
when people are playing music, Uh, nobody's getting hurt. You know,
no one's shooting each other, right, no one's you know,
you know, you know, you're not fighting.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
You know, you're you're, you're, you're you know.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You're you're you're making music and and it's got to
be it's got to be a positive thing.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Do you thinks, Dave, oh, one hundred percent. And that's
actually one of the core ways we know Rock to
the Futures using it as a tool to reduce gun
violence and to create outlets. We're also you know, when
we interviewed the different students through these different network partners,
they all said the same kind of underlying thing, which
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was that they felt like this created space for them
to be safe, to have community. They felt like they
were seen and listened to. There was a real belonging,
which we know has a direct effect to someone's mental
health and mental wellness. So, you know, looping back to
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Jack's really thoughtful submission, I think that the education systems
need I think we as constituents of them, need to
figure out a better way to ensure that kids have
access to the arts, whether it's to music or performance.
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But these types of outlets are so critical in giving
young people a way to express themselves and to have
something of their own.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, that great, That was a great question, and thank
you Jack, Thanks thanks for that. Yeah, we're I want
to look into this organization that she mentioned around the
that I guess right, Ryan Reynolds maybe is in Bob
with something, so we should check that out.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
That's how it's cool.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, we'll put the information in the in
the notes. We're going to do one last quick question
before we wrap up today's awesome episode, all right, and
this one is from Lex Lumier. I hope I'm pronouncing
your last name correctly. Lex, who's from the US Department
of Arts and Culture.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Hell loove Kevin. My name is Lex lamer I'm a
citizen artist and cultural partner with the United States Department
of Arts and Culture. February seventh of twenty twenty, I
was volunteering for the Tim Tebow Night to Shine event
at Houston First And this church is older than the
state of Texas, so one hundred years ago, there would
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be no dancing and no music being played other than
you know, the worship team. What I thought was really
interesting is as the decorations were going up for this event,
which is a really amazing event for special needs for
them to have a prom on their own, so it's
really sweet, and people were coming in. It was just
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a really nice time, and Your Footloose song came on
from the film and this film was like, I really
like this song, and I thought, this is amazing. Out
of all places there are playing this song in this
church that's posting a dance for people, because you know,
one hundred years ago that would have happened. And I
just wanted to ask you what you think about the
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openness and the inclusion of the arts into you know,
churches and facilities of spiritual practice. You know what you
think about that is just amazed and impressed at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Hey, thanks like so much for that that question.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Uh, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Let me let me You're tied a lot of things
together that have actually been a part of my life. Coincidentally,
the first one that you mentioned is Footloots, right where
there's a there's a town and uh, and people are
not allowed to dance and the and the the rules
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are set by this minister in the town and played
by John Letgow and the you know, it's it's this this,
this kind of creative expression is looked at as anti religion.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And It's been a while since I've seen the movie,
but I think I used the Bible when I talked
to the town council and say that there were I
think there's a quote about in the Bible about leaping
and dancing.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, I'm in the church. Has let me let me
first frame this.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
By saying, I'm not what I would consider a spiritual person,
and I don't go to church at this point in
my life, but the church has always been a place
where there has been art, I mean incredible art. You know,
(41:25):
all in the beginning of the visual arts that that
was all the art that was made was you know,
iconography and the religious paintings of religious art.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
In fact, when.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's kind of moved away from there, you know, that
was the blasphemous you know, time was when people started
painting things that weren't religious. And music, uh for sure,
and and dance, and in all kinds of religious practices
there's music and dance and art, and so I think
there is a there is a very powerful connection, and
(41:59):
of course I would encourage that in places of worship
that people experience art.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And the other reason is because.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
If you are, you know, trying to get to cut
a higher you know, kind of personal plane. And maybe
this connects to the last the question we were talking
about in terms of mental health. You know, music certainly,
and dance as well, you know, can be calming and
can take you to other kind of realms of consciousness.
(42:32):
I think, you know, even staring at a picture of
a beautiful portrait or a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Landscape or whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean, I think that I think there's a a
very strong connection.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I couldn't agree more. And I come from I don't
want to say the other side, but I probably would
consider myself spiritual. But for me, when I'm like singing
or to use sexist words like worshiping, I feel closeness
to you know who. I believe my creator to be
(43:08):
right more so than any other time. And I think
a lot of people, like you said, with lots of
different cultures, different religions around the world. That's actually what
my degree is in my under undergrad degree is religious
world studies. And so I always found it really fascinating
to see the connections of different religions and groups of people.
(43:29):
I found that there was way more in common than not.
We tend to focus on than not the things that
we don't have in common that drive a wedge instead
of like the overwhelming majority of things that we are
so similar in. So yeah, no, and I think I
(43:49):
actually have spent some time in places in the world
where you see this like convergence that I believe Lex
was speaking to, where what seems to be these unlikely
elements are coming together at this focal point and you
feel like like you're standing in awe of something that's
really cool that's happening. Yea, I think the world needs
(44:10):
more of that. I think we need to have more
opportunities to see these different elements, seemingly different elements, you know,
come together. I think we'd be in a better place.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And I'll also tell you something else, Lex that you
might find interesting, and that is that when I was
a little boy. My father never went to church. He
was raised a Quaker and had sort of, I don't know,
sort of walked away from the Quaker meeting and it
wasn't in his life. But my mother had found this
(44:49):
church in our neighborhood that she was very involved with,
and it was a Unitarian church, which is one of
those religions where it's supposed to be very inclusive of
all religions.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
And she would go all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
And there was a minister at this Unitarian church who
was I guess, I guess he would and nowadays call
him a progressive kind of minister. And he loved theater.
He really was obsessed with theater. So the very first
acting that I ever did was in church because he
(45:26):
would sometimes take little sections of plays I guess they were,
and use them to kind of put a point across
in his certainments. And sometimes there were parts for a
young man or a child, I guess, because I was
going to be very little, and so I would go
(45:50):
and that was really where I first, you know, was
you know, learned how to act and had to learn lines,
and you know, got nervous and did all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Was h was at the at the.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Unitarian Church of Philadelphia and in Centara City, Philadelphia, and
so that was a definite connection of of the arts
and the spiritual place.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Of port a Star was born. You hear that story
all the time. I feel like so many singers that
you want to win Grammys, like they started in the church,
absolutely because that's where they could sing, you know, their
craft every Sunday. Yeah, that's a very very good question.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Thanks Lex, Thank you Lex. That's a wrap, all right, Well,
this was fun. Thank you, Stacy Sure and folks, I
hope you're enjoying these Ask Kevin almost anything episodes. We're
having a good time with them. And uh, you know,
keep the keep the questions coming. I really find this
(46:59):
really fascinating. It's always it's always interesting because you guys
out there are you know, kind of doing our jobs
in a way, you know, try to highlight and find
interesting causes and people who are or have great stories.
It's it's it's uh, it's it's a lot of fun
and it's a lot of fun to hang out with you.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Stacey same, I'm enjoying it. Keep the questions coming. If
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